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Message: Hi,
Just wanted to congratulate a fellow South African on your amazing achievement. We saw an extensive report on the 8 PM news bulletin about your website. Also best wishes to Hillary for her forthcoming campaign. I think she'll do a good job.
best regards
Anthony Krijger

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Message: O HILLARY SAVE US, FOR ONLY YOU CAN DELIVER US FROM THE EVILS ARUOND US. O HILLARY THOU ART GREAT AMONG THY LOWLY SUBJECTS

Message: Go Hillary Go !!! NY and the country in general need more Senators like you !

Message: Hillary Clinton vs. Liddy Dole ................................................................................ .......................................................................................................................... Let's COMPARE THESE TWO ACCOMPLISHED AND SAVVY LADIES, SHALL WE: Mrs. Dole is graduate of Duke, Harvard Law School, a Phi Beta Kappa honor society member, has held two Cabinet positions (Transportation Secretary under Reagan, Labor Secretary under Bush) and was the chief executive of the American Red Cross for eight years. Mrs. Clinton holds degrees from Wellesley College, and Yale Law School, a Phi Beta Kappa key, and worked in the 1970s and 80s as a corporate lawyer in a major Arkansas law firm, and has of course been First Lady since 1992; her chairmanship of the President's healthcare task force remains, however, her only major policy related endeavor to date. Though, granted, she has also during this period published a well received book and spoken out on a host of children's issues, the fact remains that her most legislatively distinguished (and publicly acclaimed) work as First Lady has been in the roles of either spousal nag or as the notorious "First Lady Cuckold." Both these women are clearly intelligent, proven leaders and formidable spokeswomen for particular legislative causes and governmental approaches. What then makes Hillary so distinguished or superior to Liddy Dole? If anything Mrs. Dole has more concrete policy and leadership experience in the Federal government (Dole has also served as a Federal Trade Commissioner [1973-79] and in the Nixon and Johnson administrations as a consumer protection policy advisor/advocate). While Mrs. Clinton certainly played an important (and in all likelihood commendable) role in both terms of the Clinton Presidency, it was only with the national health care insurance initiative that Mrs. Clinton had to actually bear any responsibility. Elizabeth Dole, in contrast, has had to take responsibility and heat in all of her executive posts-- in Transportation (particularly during the controversial privatization of Conrail which she oversaw; on issues of air safety, and automobile quality control), in Labor (during the 1990 coal miners strike), and in the Red Cross (during concerns raised by federal regulators at the beginning of Dole's tenure about the safety of the Red Cross' regional blood screening processes). My point is, no matter what you want to say about comparing Hillary and Liddy, you have to admit that Mrs. Dole has held high level governmental and business-leadership positions that, in cases where things went wrong or if groups came forward with grievances about policy decisions or what have you, Mrs. Dole had to face the criticism and had no choice but to take responsibility for the implications of her administrative decisions and practices -- whereas Mrs. Clinton, although an accomplished corporate lawyer and noted legal scholar on children's issues, has only had this kind of do-or-die leadership experience during her disastrously mismanaged health care project (a failed opportunity if there ever was one)!

Message: Comments In a recent newspaper "blurb," I read feminist and founding editor of "Ms. Magazine" Gloria Steinem voicing disdain for the presidential bid of two-time former Cabinet secretary, Elizabeth Hanford Dole. Steinem was reported as saying something to the effect that, "Elizabeth Dole is our Clarence Thomas you know." Where are people hearing that Elizabeth Dole, if elected President or Vice-president on a Republican ticket, will set back women's rights? Is it merely on account of her membership in the GOP? As Secretary of Labor, Mrs. Dole initiated the "Glass Ceiling Commission" which worked to study and facilitate the entrance of women and African Americans into the highest echelons of corporate leadership. In fact, Mrs. Dole is credited with coining the "glass ceiling" phrase in political lingo. Also, why would a woman who had the audacity to go to Harvard Law School at a time when few other women dared to break with convention want to set back women's rights? Do you think Mrs. Dole has some sort of self-hatred? There is no rationale whatsoever for thinking Mrs. Dole is anti-woman, or for that matter, even antifeminist. I would suspect that feminist attacks on Mrs. Dole's credentials for the Presidency amount to little more than ultra-partisan, uninformed and baseless political assumptions. PS -- Remember also that many of the old-guard leftist feminist establishment would have none to little jealousy for a woman as remarkably successful in government and business as Mrs. Dole who does not claim to have "made it" on account of NOW and the Gloria Steinem 1970s wave of paleofeminism. Mrs. Dole emerged decidedly prior to the 1970s, at a time when women faced not only the "glass ceiling" of the 1980s and 90s, but in point of fact a generally acknowledged and publicly accepted "lead ceiling." Think about this

Message: To: Jujstin Mihalick Excellent point. You will find that the old guard feminists are nothing more than bitter malcontents. They are partisan in the ultra-extreme and care nothing about actual intellectual debate, as they are generally incapable of dispassionte analysis and tend to favor emotional extremism in argument. They are arrogant enough to claim to represent "All Women" and stupid enough to fall logic pitfall upon logical pitfall. (witness their confused position on Bill Clinton's treatment of women). They betray themselves time and time again for the mindless interest group that they really are.

Message: What does Hillary Clinton think about the legalization of marijuana? Anyone seen a good synopsis of this somewhere on the net. I'd appreciate the address.

Message: I do not think the Clintons support the legalization of marijuana. They are controversial enough!

Personally I would not like to see it sold in the stores like cigarettes and alcohol. However I would like to see physicians prescribe it for their patients for any reason they deem necessary.

Some doctors are already prescribing it here in California, but it is still kept rather quiet. A friend of mine gets prescriptions from a doctor for her "arthritis" and also gets access to good quality pure stuff.

As you may know the Medicinal Marijuana Law passed by a very large margin in California. It was voted in by 76% of the population in San Francisco, and 73% in conservative Marin County.

Message:
Are Bugs and David related?
No more abortion talk? Ok, lets talk about shrinking the nanny federal govt. - get rid of most of the agencies (education, energy, commerce, health and human services, EPA, etc.- how did we EVER survive without them? [sarcasm]) and let the Feds. take care of what they are SUPPOSED to take care of: defense, law enforcement and interstate commerce (that's all folks). Let the marketplace take care of the rest, the marketplace--the accumulation of individual decisions; what the people want; where marketplace discipline give us the best value for our dollar.

We DON'T want the inefficient wasteful bureaucrats running healthcare and playing doctor. This 3rd party "free" healthcare stuff will have every neurotic running to the emergency room every other day. Let people shop the marketplace and let competition bring marketplace discipline back into healthcare. If enough people want a family doctor to make house-calls, it could happen via the marketplace.

Also, get rid of the current tax code. How many millions if not billions of dollars have been wasted trying to follow this monstrosity? Flat tax or national sales tax--either one is a better alternative in savings realized and more money back in the marketplace alone.

Message: We think Libby Dole is a very classy lady. Never once, in over four years that this forum has been in operation, has even one negative word been written about Libby Dole.

Not only that, but we heartily recommended that she run for the Presidency, saying, in writing, that it would be the "best thing the GOP could do to win the female vote and change their hard-edged image." You will find many such endorsements in our archives.

And there's more.... We chastized the GOP for not supporting her, and mocked Bob Dole for dissing her. Libby Dole is wasted on the GOP. We would like to see her come over on to our side and run as Al Gore's Vice President. We'll give her the support she has not found with the GOP misogynists.

Message: I was thinking today, I know, it's a bad habit. Ignorance is such bliss. Ever wonder why the 20-30 years olds don't vote? I think I know why? It's because , basically politicians are bought off on both sides of the fence. The young would be voters aren't so dumb as we think they are. Maybe, now is the time for Campaign Finance Reform. Think about it. Are the American people actually so free as we think we are when it comes to elections in this great land of ours? Maybe, some elections have become a hoax afterall. The big money buys elections. The politicians are beholden to their contributors. Our voice is not being heard. Land of the free. I wonder. Think about it!

Message: "You will find that the old guard feminists are nothing more than bitter malcontents. "

The old guard feminists made breakthroughs for women which we, sadly, have all taken for granted. I remember the time women, who were married, could not own property or get credit in their name. When it was next to impossible to get into law school, medical school, or any of the traditional male jobs. I remember when women's sports consisted of cheerleading and "baking cookies for the boys!"

Oh yes, I remember when women tried to be as stupid as possible to attract men. A time when it was chic to act weak, helpless and pathetic to be attractive to men. YUK! Oh yes, I remember when women became pregnant they were hidden away from public view as though they had some disease.

I remember Betty Friedan's first book "Feminine Mystique" and how it changed our lives forever and for the better. To all these Old Guard Feminists I say a BIG THANK YOU for the insults you took and the courage you displayed to move us forward.

And now that the Old Guard has grown old, passed their prime, and a little cranky, I want you to know that I have not forgotten you, and I will make sure that my daughters and grand daughters will not forget you either.

We have taken the baton from you and are running down the track, and we are winning on the soccer fields, and the medical fields, and the legal fields. We are running out in front, for ourselves, for humanity, forever free - thanks to thee.

Interesting Contradictions to Ponder wrote: "Have you noticed that the same people who want to control your drug use are the same people who do NOT want you to control their use of guns???"

Guns don't kill people, people kill people...WITH guns (and steak-knives and ropes and bricks and etc. etc.)

I'm all for background checks. If there is a way to make them reasonably stricter, why not? I'm all for a longer cooling off period. Isn't it a 3 or 5 day waiting period now?

BUT if you take guns away from the American public - the innocents who buy guns to protect themselves in their own home - you're essentially taking away their right to self-defense.

People keep using "guns" and "children" in the same sentence. Look at these two scenarios: 1) Armed criminal breaks into your home in the black of night and shoots you and your family to death before you had a chance to grab the knife by your bed. (Those bullets are fast, aren't they??) Now what do you have since the govt took away your guns? Nothing. You're dead. You're wife is dead. And you're children are dead. Didn't the government tell this criminal that guns weren't allowed?? 2) Armed criminal breaks in your home in the black of night. You grab your gun and manage to shoot the bastard dead before he can massacre your entire family and you all live to see tomorrow.

I hear the argument that children find guns in homes and accidents happen with death being the tragic result. Parents, it's your responsibility, not the government's, to hide the guns. And there are always going to be accidents, so there will always be children who find them. But there will always be people or entire families saved as in the aforementioned scenarios by the presence of a gun in the home.

Although Hillary Clinton has called for greater gun control, I have never heard her expressly state that she believes we should disarm the American public. IF she has, I would have to disagree.

People can kill people with cars. When are we going to push to outlaw them? Are they next on the list? No, they are used for transportation, you say! Well guns have many uses, one being to defend you and yours. So which USE are we going to hold in the highest esteem to make our individual arguments for or against gun control? Since I'm a law abiding citizen, I think you know my answer.

Message: Dear hillary, i'm a disable studenr and wants to come to USA and need scholarship for my studies .please help me out. i'll be looking forward for your reply. yours ali amin

Message: July 16, 1999 -- WWW.FEIST.COM/`madog/ THIS YEAR WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY. FOR THE FIRST TIME, A CIVILIZED NATION HAS FULL GUN REGISTRATION. OUR STREETS WILL BE SAFER, OUR POLICE MORE EFFICIENT,AND THE WORLD WILL FOLLOW OUR LEAD INTO THE FUTURE. Adolph Hitler 1935

Message: HILL AND BILL USED TO "LOVE" CALIFORNIA. IN 1992 AND AGAIN IN 1996, THE TWO LOVE BIRDS HINTED THEY WOULD LIKE TO SOMEDAY LIVE IN CALIFORNIA. CALIFORNIA WAS THE PLACE TO BE. IT WAS HAPPENIN'. NOW CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN JILTED AND NEW YORK IS THE "NEW LOVE." DON'T CRY FOR CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK -- WE CRY FOR YOU!

Message: The people of New York will see HC as she is, a socialist feminist with no real agenda but to take away as many individual rights as she can. Afterall, she is pathalogical in her obsession to tell other people how they should live. The "village" she talks about is another distribution of wealth plan that will do nothing but create a bloated government progran as it always does. She does not have the capacity to realize that human nature dictates that a certain percentage of the population never contribute, have never contributed and will never contribute. Let them eat cake!!! She will further degridate the family by taking away fathers rights to raise children as they see fit. Afterall, she knows better. She thinks it's the availibilty of guns, but it has been the erosion of the family, and particullarly the role of males in the family that has lead to shootings in schools. People of New York, please do not be hoodwinked by this socialist hogwash. She will not save you, you can however save yourselves from her.

Message: Next Wednesday, 7/21, Hornell, NY looks forward to your visit. Would like the opportunity to be at that lunch.

July 15, 1999 - Rockville Centre, NY - Hillary called on all Americans to support tougher gun control laws at a gun control forum with U.S. Representative Carolyn McCarthy. "We will not make progress on a sensible gun control agenda unless the entire American public gets behind it."

Mrs. Clinton made her remarks to a group of parents, kids and teachers at the South Side Middle School in Nassau County. She was joined by Carolyn McCarthy, a leader on gun control issues. Mrs. McCarthy recently backed a bill in the House of Representatives that would have required trigger locks on all new handguns as well as more thorough background checks on sales at gun shows.

The event centered on keeping guns out of the hands of children. Mrs. Clinton told the kids in attendance, "It is really important for each of you to make sure you stay away from guns. If you have guns in your home, tell your parents to keep them away from you and your friends and your little brothers and sisters."

Hillary...are you listening to me? It's an honorable goal to want to "keep guns out of the hands of children," but you will never keep the guns out of the hands of criminals. So where does that leave the rest of us?

You have my support on strengthening gun control laws but not with the eventual objective of disarming America. No one will ever create a gun control agenda that GUARANTEES criminals won't obtain the guns and use them on the rest of society.

Hill, talk to me. Tell me how you really feel on gun control. Where would you like to see it all end? Where do you see gun control laws in 5 yrs.? 10 yrs?

Message: If you want gun control or better protection on health care against the insurance companies, first we must elect better representatives to OUR Government. How? 1. Get involved! Speak up. 2. Ask for Campaign Finance Reform. It is not our government, if we just sit back and type on the computer. Am I whistling Dixie or do you feel that the politicians can do as they damm well please. Whats your reaction. Any body care to comment on this?

Message: Is what happened at the Women's World Soccer match more importanant a topic to discuss?

Message: No, the Women's World Soccer is not more important than the tragedy of the GOP watering down the Patients Bill of Rights in Congress. The GOP gets paid by the special interest groups to deny us our rights and they got away with it, while we got all caught up in unrelated topics.

Message: The US Congress voted themselves a $4,600 pay raise because of the rising cost of living, (They get free complete Health Care). As for the forgotten American who must also struggle to keep up with the cost of living, which includes outrages prices for medically necessary drugs and are now at the mercy of Managed Care HMO's who make the decisions of what is good for their patients health. That is if they can afford health insurance in the first place. Damm the Government. Every thing I learned in school about a democracy is supposed to work is now the farthest thing from the truth.

Message: Patients lost the right to sue their health maintenance organizations � a huge defeat for Democrats.

DURING FOUR DAYS of debate, the majority Republicans defeated every Democratic amendment and gutted the alternative legislation offered by Democrats, so the outcome was expected.

Republicans argued that the Democratic bill would cost too much and impose too many regulations. They said their version was simpler and less expensive but still would protect patients from any overly zealous cost-cutting health plans.

Democrats labeled the Republican bill a loophole-riddled sham that would give few meaningful protections to a minority of Americans and leave most people with no new safeguards at all.

The American Medical Association and other professional medical groups agreed with the Democrats. Advertisement

The president called the bill unacceptable and aides said he would veto it. MORE...

Message: How can you Republicans look at yourselves in the mirror? The GOP will cut throats for $$$$ and you will still defend them.

Message: That's too funny! In a Hillary Clinton Forum how could anyone bring up health care and accuse the Republicans of wrong doing? LMAO

Message: Its not a Republican thing now, its a bipartisian thing. This issue on health care affects us all. We need more comments on what happened yesterday in the US Congress on Health care. Many procedures won't be covered that must be be performed in a hospital, putting many more patients at risk. OUR US Government Representatives get better health care now and they don't have to pay for it. We the taxpayers do; and they don't protect our health care rights shame on them.

Message: You must agree the Heath Care issue is very complex. I mean, how many doctors are no longer performing certain procedures because their insurance costs are to high? I think many people would be better off if they spent the ten dollars a week they spend on insurance. Also, the amount of time they spent in the Lotto lines and checking the numbers was spent on a little exercise they'd be a whole lot better off, health-wise. I don't know that it's a good idea to rely on the Government to provide anything for you. But keep eating those cartrots it's good for your eyesight!

Message: Campaign finance reform would not be an issue if we will institute a consumption tax instead of an income tax. Afterall, lobbyist are in Washington handing out money to anyone(democrats and republicans) who whore themselves for the giving of tax breaks.

Message: Thanks for listening to the citizens, Hillary. The country needs your intelligence, sincerity, and compassion. Good luck!

Message: Bi-Partenship was used incorrectly by me. Disregard that part. What I meant is that issue on health care affects everyone in this country not members of any one political party.

Message: Give me a break..... Hillary as Senator! Ripley's believes it or not! Ripley said he didn't believe it.

I don't want to make a big deal out of this but I do want to point out the rather "odd" editorial policy of this forum. I have been away for a few days (hard drive went south at work and was too busy to play a home). When I came back I notice something really weird. All my retorts to David's ludicrous statements and David's lack of understanding of the meaning of the phrase "ad hominem" had been deleted yet all of David's "F*** YOU!" messages were left on the forum intake. I don't get it - messages pointing out erroneous statements are deleted and vulgar, all-caps "F*** YOU!" messages are left on the forum. Pretty strange editorial policy if you ask me.

We think Libby Dole is a very classy lady. Never once, in over four years that this forum has been in operation, has even one negative word been written about Libby Dole.

Editor - don't you think a Bush/Dole ticket would a sure win (not to mention revenge for both President Bush and Bob Dole - you know what they say about "paybacks").

A woman was leaving a 7-11 with her morning coffee when she noticed a most unusual funeral procession approaching the nearby cemetery.

A long black hearse was followed by a second long black hearse about 50 feet behind. Behind the second hearse was a solitary woman walking a pit bull on a leash. Behind her were 200 women walking single file.

The woman couldn't stand the curiosity. She respectfully approached the woman walking the dog and said "I am so sorry for your loss and I know now is a bad time to disturb you, but I've never seen a funeral like this. Whose funeral is it?"

The woman answered, "My mother-in-law. She was trying to help my husband when the dog turned on her."

Message: THE ROTTEN APPLE IS PERFECT FOR THE POWER HUNGRY FIRST LADY & HER LYING HUSBAND YOU WILL BE AROUND LOTS OF OTHER TRASH I.E.(CHUCK SCHUMER THE PISTOL CARRYING GUN GRABBER) THE ONLY BETTER PLACE FOR YOU MIGHT BE JAIL.

Message: Would you like to be in charge of editing the forum? It's really easy. All you have to do is flip it over to get the coding and erase what you you think is not appropriate and then send it as an attachment to me.

Of course I do reserve the right to oversee your editing and make changes. This would save me a lot of time. I have a huge show coming off 7/22/99 and we are getting ready for it. Maybe I overlooked some things in my rush. If you said anything extremely important please repost. I take out the F***YOU's when I catch them but this last week has been insane. Also I was gone for a few days to Newport Beach to celebrate my newphew's wedding.

The most important issue on this forum today is the Patients Bill of Rights which was butchered by the GOP. It affects us all. I would like to see your comments on this as I feel we have all been seriously affected.

Can democracy survive when special interests are gaining on us? This is due to the fact that winning elections has become so expensive that it forces candidates to become whores.

This latest tragedy in Congress demonstrates that they will even go as far as to endanger our health to get $$$$$. This situation is NOT going to get better. We need your input on this most serious of all issues.

Message: How can we talk about a Patient's Bill of Rights while ignoring the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution. The Constitutioal Bill of Rights were designed to protect individual liberties against possible encroachment by the Federal Government. What has happened to our individual liberties, when we lose the right to sue insurance companies, when they deny treatment for our survival and well being. The Preamble of the US Constitution begins with the words. "We the people of the United States" this includes All of the people, regardless of their age. What a tragedy, when we no longer have a government of the people, and by the people. Instead we have a government of the Republicans or by the Democrats. They sit on their high horses and winning elections is more important to them then the needs and the rights of the people. They are looking out for their own interests and the American people are losing their rights to make decisions about their own health needs. We all pay Income Taxes, yet we are denied the security of knowing that we will have decent health care when we need it.

Our legislators have voted themselves a raise because of the higher cost of living. This is really ironic, because they all ready get health care for free at our expense. What do they care if all prescription drug prices continue to soar, even generics. The drug companies blame the increases are necessary for research and the politicians go along with this phoney excuse. They conveniently ignore the fact that these same pharmacutical companies are spending millions by constantly advetising on TV, magazines, and newspapers. and in addition money for lobbying and campaign contributions. Do they honestly think Americans are so stupid and gullible that they, the politicians can fool us with their rhetoric.

In your post above (to LVD) you ask "Can democracy survive when special interests are gaining on us?". I say no. We have only one chance. Take the power back! Get back to the vision of Federal Power the Founding Fathers had. Strip the Feds of their power and no one will bother to bribe them. The Founding Fathers knew this and we're just beginning to learn it. Is this really so hard to understand?! We don't freaking need a bunch of corrupt scumbags on either side of the aisle forcing their will on us! Let's trade one failed experiment for Fifty New Ones. Then if even one of the States answers appeals to you then you can move there and support that experiment! If you think this Centralized Government mess is bad now just wait for Hillary's Dream of One World Government!

We all pay Income Taxes, yet we are denied the security of knowing that we will have decent health care when we need it.

I got the answer! Quit Paying Someone Else To Look After You And Do It Yourself! Security is a myth! No amount of Insurance can ever make you safe! Rely on YOURSELF, your Family and your Neighbors! People you know. People who have a genuine connection to you. Not some faceless Fed who couldn't care less if you live or die (except on camera!).

On the "editorial policy" issues - like I said, I didn't want to make a big deal out of it - it was just weird that you deleted my retorts but left the F-you posts from David. I was just trying to figure out why my retorts were deleted - nevertheless, the messages were totally inconsequential and nothing to spend too much time thinking about.

Could you be more specific? From my perspective - I think the Republican bill is a good one and the opposition is demagoguery at its worst. Please be specific.

The Bill Clinton Model - demagogue the issue, veto it a few times, and when the poll numbers force you to sign it - claim it was your idea in the first place (remember the Balanced Budget (vetoed twice by Clinton, Clinton even shut the government down to avoid signing it) and Welfare Reform (Bill Clinton veto it twice then signed it into law claiming he will FIX it in the future and then ran on Welfare Reform as one of HIS accomplishments). It looks like more Clinton political games.

This is a GREAT example. What an absurd statement! The congress is debating health care insurance - not health care. They are debating the rules for health care insurance providers - not health care. Any American is FREE to get ANY health care their little heart desires - all that is being debated is what is the health care insurance companies are required to fund. When you buy car insurance - do you expect it to cover gas and oil - of course not! When you buy car insurance - do you expect it to cover every possible thing you can imagine - NO. So why do you think health care insurance should cover anything and everything? Freedom is a difficult concept for the Congressional Democrats to understand - Americans have the freedom to buy any healthcare they want - ANY! Healthcare insurance was created to cover large unexpected costs (just like auto insurance) - suddenly Democrats think it should cover everything and the citizen no longer have to be personally responsible. Democrat Motto: Womb to the tomb ye shall suckle at the government teats.

What has happened to our individual liberties, when we lose the right to sue insurance companies, when they deny treatment for our survival and well being.

Betsy - you might want to READ the Bill of Rights because you have got it back-ass-ward. Nowhere in the Bill of Rights are we granted the right to somebody else's money. Insurance companies DO NOT and CAN NOT deny treatment - they can only deny the funds. When you buy healthcare insurance - the rules are spelled out at the time you buy it - what you are saying is it is OK for people to be ignorant of the rules and if they do not like it they should be able to sue the insurance company (stupidity compensation). Anyway - you are barking up the wrong tree - the Bill of Right does not give you the right to take somebody else's money (thank god!).

Message: Take a hike LVD. WE are talking serious stuff here Health Care and all.

Message: It s us the American people losing the rights to good health care. In ancient days before say 1969 The doctor made the necessary decisions regarding your health , but now its the insurance companies making the rules. And I dont know about you but I would trust a doctor before some greedy insurance company.

Message: An exercise in self control: Zip the lip. Don't let it slip. Talk when you should not just when you could. The world will be a better place and you will be happier too.

Where the HECK do you get the idea that we had "health care rights". Please read the Constitution - we have no such thing. Why? Because that would be a right to somebody else's money. If you have a right to an amount of healthcare even if you can not pay for - then you have a right to have somebody else pay for it (somebody has to pay for it). It is amazing - in a very short time this country went from a group of self-sufficient free agent to slaves piglets condemned to suckling the government teats for everything. Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried - why are we letting the Democrat drag us into socialism?

If you are concerned about healthcare - prepare yourself. Get insurance and SAVE and INVEST MONEY so you can afford ALL the healthcare you desire. If you have no money - get a bloody job - only YOU is responsible for YOU!

Message: It is a sad commentary when one can look out upon any one of our seaports or large lakes and view multi-million dollar yacht while just a few hundred yards away are children that are sick, and their parents do not have the ability to provide basic healthcare for their kids. older americans, and mangled up war veterans sit on the shore wondering how it could be they their best to this country, and now this country is unwilling to provide the most basic of their needs. Who are those guys in those yachts anyway?; and what percentage of their guest list includes congressmen, and ladies ?

Message: ROTFLMAO...Oh my God, the Californians now think they can legislate LOVE...

Late this week, a group of activists launched a signature drive aimed at using the March 2000 ballot to declare Santa Cruz, California an official "hate free zone" -- the first in the nation.More

Here's a clue people! You cannot legislate everything. You cannot legislate human emotion. You GET what you EARN! You'll have to forgive me as I'm rather new at this liberal stuff. THIS isn't something I'm supposed to GET is it? Help, I thought I was normal. (...still ROTFLMAO)

Message: I missed you LVD, How you been. But really, this is not a polical issue. Its an A an American issue. A lot of operations preformed in a hospital, ask your wife won't be allowed in a hospital. If anything its a anti hospital law. So please don't get worked up until you know all the facts.

The doctor made the necessary decisions regarding your health , but now its the insurance companies making the rules. And I dont know about you but I would trust a doctor before some greedy insurance company.

This is a phony BS statement - this is the propaganda you are being fed - it is NOT TRUE - you have been duped!

In 1969 - YOU paid for your healthcare and YOU may have had insurance for emergencies. The idea of some magical healthcare insurance fairy paying ALL your medical bills was considered absurd. (I know I was there)

Today - you are still FREE to get ANY healthcare you want - ANY AND ALL. If you want a sex change operation - have at it. If you want a penis sewed on your forehead - more power to you (I am not sure if they have perfected this procedure). What we are discussing is what the healthcare insurance companies are required to pay for. Today, the socialists have convinced the masses that the healthcare insurance fairy should pay for ALL your medical bills. This costs A LOT of money - do the math. If you are unhappy with your healthcare insurance - get NEW healthcare insurance or PAY FOR IT YOURSELF. In this country you have the right to life (unless you are pre-born human), liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You do not have a right to every imaginable medical procedure for FREE! You do not have the right to somebody else's money! If they invent a procedure that adds 50 years to everybody's life but cost 1 Billion per person - should we have a RIGHT to this procedure? Your answer will illustration your knowledge or lack of knowledge of economics.

Take a hike LVD. WE are talking serious stuff here Health Care and all.
Where have you been LVD, Driving too much and not reading the paper.

At least liberals are consistent. I post a few messages explaining in some detail my opinion on the subject at hand and since my position is contradictory to Bugs - all he is able to do is spew insults. I guess Bugs' motto is: when the fact are not on his side, spew insults and delve into the deeper meanings of the phrase "ad hominem". Well, Bugs - at least you are consistent (too bad you can not actually talk about the issue at hand).

I really disagree - it is all political, as in what political system do we want to live under: the government teat or Freedom.

Its an A an American issue. A lot of operations preformed in a hospital, ask your wife won't be allowed in a hospital. "Ask you wife" - pretty cute, you are relentless in your insults. BTW - this is a false statement! No laws are even being debated that pertain to what a hospital can and can not do (what was this you said about reading the papers?).

If anything its a anti hospital law. So please don't get worked up until you know all the facts.

This is simplely not true - but you are parroting the propaganda. They are debating rules for insurance companies NOT hospitals. This is what scares me - there are a lot of people out there (like bugs) that have no idea what they are talking about.

Message: Here in No. California, the state dept. of justice has locked up our doctor on very trumped up charges. He has spent the past nearly five months in jail with a bail of 15 million dollars. Fortunately yesterday, the judge at the preliminary hearing threw out most of the charges and reduced the others. we were finally able to bail him and 2 pharmacists out of jail yesterday afternoon only to find out that our govenor, in his great wisdom, has decided to veto the medical marijauna law we voted in last year. Please look into this miscarriage of justice.

Message: Even I knew the governor vetoed the legislation regarding medical marijauna. But do you think it's very smart idea to go to a Doctor who doesn't know what he can prescribe to his patients? (Notice I didn't mention anything about it not being a very smart idea to trust a Democratic governor!)

Message: Im with you on less government intervention in our lives. But I have health insurance which I pay dearly for and I dont want the Government letting the insurance co cut my benefits.

Message: AT this point I don't trust any Government person with my health insurance. I don't care if he is a Democrat or Republican or Bill Gates. The Governor has free complete health care paid by the tax payers so why should he care for us slobs the taxplayers! LVD what are you talking about?

Message: Glad to see you back LVD. You have said probably the most intelligent things I have ever heard regarding the health care issue. I agree very strongly that the Government should keep its hands off our constitutional liberties, and (GASP!) the liberties that corporations--HMO's, etc.--rightfully share with us.

AT this point I don't trust any Government person with my health insurance. I don't care if he is a Democrat or Republican or Bill Gates. The Governor has free complete health care paid by the tax payers so why should he care for us slobs the taxplayers! LVD what are you talking about?

I gonna have to ask you - what are you talking about? First, I get healthcare from my employer, just like the governor. Just like the Governor, I do not pay for it - but that does not mean it is FREE! It is a benefit - something the employer offers to attract good employees.

You say you do not understand what is being talked about - could you be more specific - what are you confused about?

Message: I'd like to hear if Hillary does, in fact, support an eventual law to confiscate all private firearms, as some have stated. What are her exact thoughts on the gun issue, and how does she interperate the 2nd ammendment? Not that it is unclear, mind you; I find it crystal clear on the reason it gives for protecting these rights: that the public mantain its ability to defend itself against a potential tyrannical government. Please respond.

Message: Possible Problems ( In My Opinion ) 1. Hillary Clinton has never lived in New York 2. Hillary Clinton has NO political experience (other than shirt tail ) 3. Hillary Clinton designed the largest spending plan ever conceived by the government (Medical) 4. Hillary Clinton like her husband has an extremely questionable legal background. 5. New York does not need another Senator with mainly Downstate Connections 6. Hillary Clinton should run in Arkansas Not New York 6. Hillary Clinton has the United States paying for her visit transportation New York

Message: So you're saying that once the black people, for example, EARN the respect of the Ku Klux Klan, they'll no longer deserve the hate? How exactly did they EARN the hate? Are the black people just reaping what they have sown?

Your premise is false, the KKK are nut cases, one does NOT want their "respect" unless one also is a nut case. There will always be poverty, lazy people, criminals, nut cases, etc. I don't care (for example) if I don't have the respect of some rapist sitting behind bars (or in the White House) because that person is not a part of my life--their "respect" is meaningless and if the nut case did say something bad about me, well he/she is just a nut case.

A nony mouse, I can always count on you, can't I? I'm never lonely when you're around. ;)

Message: I asked an important question about Hillary's actual views. I am still waiting for a response....

Sorry So cal girl (actually, So Cal Gal sounds more rhymthic), the editor has zeroed in on healthcare, the topic du jour, and probably won't encourage other topics by responding - which is the editor's prerogative (Dawn curtseys to show her deference)....

Besides, Hillary, who won't even talk to me these days, hasn't divulged any information on whether or not she'd like to have confiscate everyone's weapons eventually. That is something that the government will probably just try to sneak up on the public, anyway, without a formal announcement until it's toooooooo late.

Message: Thanks for the info. This forum is difficult for me to navigate thru--had no idea of its topic, except that somewhere it mentioned something about the polls at the hillary.org opening page...

A nony mouse, I can always count on you, can't I? I'm never lonely when you're around. ;)

Sorry 'bout that repeat post (even though I still meant every word, a nony mouse)!

So cal, actually, we are supposed to be able to talk about any topic we want. If it was up to me, we'd be able to discuss healthcare and any other topic that relates to politics -- even marginally. But the editor recently sent out two posts that made me think differently....

"NO MORE DISCUSSIONS ON ABORTION, PLEASE." And the other one was "The most important issue on this forum today is the Patients Bill of Rights...."

Message: "I'd like to hear if Hillary does, in fact, support an eventual law to confiscate all private firearms, as some have stated."

Of course not! Where on earth did you read or hear this nonsense? Just because she wants to have us register our guns, as we register our cars and our controlled medication, does not mean she wants to confiscate our cars or our pills!!!

Some people will contend that the government will confiscate our guns as Hitler did. This is bogey-man nonsense. The government is not a Nazi operation and will no more confiscate our guns than they will our cars. Nor will they put us in gas ovens.

The reason I did not respond to you was that your question was too outrageous and I did not want to bring up the issue of guns again. Guns and abortion are highly charged emotional issues that cannot be resolved. I was hoping, however, that we could get something resolved with the health care issue which affects us all.

Message: This is an open forum. You can discuss anything you want. And so can I.

Message: One more thing and I'll drop the issue... Likening the registration of guns to that of cars and medication makes no sense to me. The gov't does not campaign to have fewer and fewer prescriptions written because some children raid their parents' medicines cabinets and overdose on meds, or demand that all convertibles be banned because some teenagers joyride without their parents' permission and get into fatal accidents. The answer I was looking for from you was exactly how far does she want to go to "control" guns? I do not expect an answer, I am dropping the issue.

Well, I for one say that once we resolve the issue of healthcare on this forum, we email a copy to Hillary and QUICK! I want her to be able to present our resolution to the rest of the world and tell them to stick it.

Yes, I'm being facetious, editor, but I would like to personally say thank you for this forum. It's a great place to debate issues with others. I do wish there were more Hillary supporters, though....

Actually I'm just giddy 'cause ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS comes on Comedy Central tonight. I'm logging off now in preparation that will include, of course, a chant. I would like to take this time to say JENNIFER SAUNDERS, I SENT YOU A LETTER BACK IN MAY! I SENT YOU THE GOOD LUCK HORSES TO GET WELL AFTER YOUR ACCIDENT. I KNOW YOU ARE FILMING THAT GREAT NEW COMEDY (CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT!) UNTIL THE END OF JULY, BUT COULD YOU PLEASE FIND TIME AFTERWARDS TO SEND ME MY AUTOGRAPHED PICTURE? THANKS!

Message: Hillary: You are a pathetic excuse for a human being (much less a politician). Please take your stupid liberal theologies and go home. Your most significant role to date is saving your husband's presidency through your own rendition of "Stand By Your Man." I have taught my children that you are the definition of evil, and that only lies and deceipt can escape your lips. By the way, after all of the lies your husband has told, can you honestly say that you don't believe Juanita Brodderick? Regards-

Message: We can discuss anything we want? Make up your mind. Last night you said no more discussions on abortion. I, for one, live for the day when I will help some narrow-minded individual who would like to not only make the choice to not have an abortion, but make the same choice for me, to realize the ludicrousness of that desire on their part. Why can't I be left in peace to remove an unwanted mass of tissue from my body without having every right-wing nut-case in the free world try to make me feel guilty about doing so? Abortion may be a seemingly unanswerable debate, but it is a very important issue to me. I don't guess that matters though huh? No more discussions on abortion, please? You know to tell you the truth, that kind of pissed me off. But, whatever...I need to be writing on my book anyway instead of this forum. Five pages some days lately!

Message: If you want some unwanted mass of tissue removed from your body don't let it enter your vagina in the first place! Convience is a rather shallow excuse.

Message: I, for one, live for the day when I will help some narrow-minded individual who would like to not only make the choice to not have an abortion, but make the same choice for me, to realize the ludicrousness of that desire on their part.

Well, if your Mom aborted you, she would have removed all opportunities for you to choose anything. Fortunately your Mom wasn't so narrow minded, selfish, immature and hysterical when it came to letting someone live.

By the way, I've had 2 knee operations and a broken bone in my foot from playing basketball. I have had at least 9 months of recovery, rehabilitation and inconvenience. I have been victimized in life and therefore feel I am entitled to end someone's life to bring convenience to mine. Sounds pretty damm rational, huh?

Message: You chose to play basketball! I don't know if everyone will get that point.

Message: Yes, you can write anything you want. I can't stop you. However, this is a publication which people read all over the world. Perhaps you are not aware of this but major media follow what we are writing. If one issue, driven continuously by one person, becomes so overbearing and redundant that it irritates or bores people to the point that we lose our audience I am compelled to delete it.

There are dozens of our HRC forums filled with abortion arguments. To my knowledge never has anyone made a point that won the other side over. The abortion debate is an exercise in futility. Everyone has made up their minds and will never change it, even if they send their own daughters or wives to the abortion doctor. We found that out with Bob Barr during the Impeachment hearings. Here he was championing the anti-abortion issue, accusing people who supported the abortion laws immoral, but takes his own wife to the abortion doctor.

The abortion issue may soon be a thing of the past when the RU486 abortion pill is introduced, unless the GOP chooses to violate our privacy laws again, by forcing doctors and their patients to reveal their use of this pill.

Now if you want to argue this privacy issue between doctor and patient, that would be a new and interesting issue, but the old "sucking a baby down the sink" argument will no longer be valid after we get the pill.

If you want to argue for or against the RU486 pill, that's a relatively new argument. But arguments for or against forced motherhood are futile.

Message: Hello, Bonjour Madame Clinton, LA COORDINATION NATIONALE DES FEMMES EN POLITIQUE, est un jeune parti politique cr�� il y a un an en France par des femmes. Notre but est de faire de la politique autrement pour le 3�me mill�naire. Si vous le voulez, nous pouvons en parler ensemble. Vos conseils nous seront tr�s pr�cieux. Merci. Marie-Jeanne Collinet, Strasbourg Pr�sidente de la Coordination

Message: The Problem With health Care: The issue isn't who has the right and getting the health care that you can pay for. The issue is who makes the final decision, you doctor or your HMO. You doctor thinks you need to stay in the hospital another week, your HMO says no, and you are not able to aford it. Is this correct? I belive that HMO have a responsability to provide what is necessary. HMO's should not be out to let there share holders get dividends. This shoulden't be an all for profit business. It is the business of health care.

Message: Yesterday you commented that we need a family forum -- bravo for you. The woman is the center of the family, and the life of all is at the heart of our existence on this planet...we need to care for life...for the woman to kill her unborn child defied the laws of nature...how can we, as a society, continue to do this, nd expect our values to change...we must go to the heart of the issue to correct the issue, not the superfluous trappings surrounding the familial problems. You are a brilliant woman, and could certainly help in this matter if you choose to do so. Thank you.

Message: What do we teach our children when they are in school and they all want to use the same crayon? We teach comprimise. (well jonny you can have it for the first 5 min and then suzzie you can have it for the next five min....and so on) The problem with the government is that these "law makers" who rarly are sucessful at passing laws never comprimise. I don't mean smushing the two opossing sides together and creating a law. I mean comming up with something compleatly enw and inovative. For example, the patients rights bill, Pres Clinton has already said he is going to veto it. So yet again these "law makers have been waisting there time and ours" Why is it so impossable to think that these grown adults can come up with somthing that benifits both sides. For example the Republicans don't want to let patients sue there HMO and the democrats do. Why do we say well you can sue the HMO but you claim needs to first be brought to a group of qualified profetionals (who have severed all ties from the industry) to determin said claim is valid. This is one way of compimise i thought up while i was driving. I bet everyone out there can think of a comprimise that will work. Any of these ideas with fine tuning will benifit the public, and the governtment (becasue there would actully be creating a solution to the problem).

Message: Dear Hillary: If you were elected would you introduce legislation to close many of the loopholes in our tax laws that the wealthy, that because of their wealth enables them to use those loop holes, causing them to pay a share that is more equitable, as the wealth they have acummulated is made off the average Joe who by buying his/her products, and or services Again, enables him/her to achieve the wealth to produce scenarios which allow them to take advantage of these tax laws that in some cases allow the individual to pay no tax at al, while the average Joe pays tax in all areas i.e, income, sales, federal and so on with which can only be desdribed as token tax breaks. So as I see it , looking at the big picture the average Joe foots the bill, while the wealthy legally avoid paying litttle or no tax. What % would our tax revenue increase in our state, and federal cofers if the Corporations, and wealthy were to pay the percentage of tax that the average Joe pays? Thanks for listening

Message: I AGREE WITH HILLARY AND AL GORE. WE ALL SHOULD REGISTER OUR GUNS AND HAVE PICTURE ID'S TO PROVE WHO WE ARE. ALSO, THOSE OF US WHO OWN GUNS, SHOULD HAVE TO PROVE WE KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THEM. IT SHOULDN'T MATTER IF WE'VE HANDLED GUNS SINCE WE WERE 10 OR SERVED HONERABLY IN THE ARMED FORCES OR WHAT EVER -- WE SHOULD STILL HAVE TO BE TESTED TO SHOW WE KNOW HOW TO HANDLE WEAPONS SAFELY AND KNOW HOW TO LOAD AND SHOOT THEM. ALL THIS COULD GO INTO A COMPUTER DATA BANK. THAT WAY SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE, THE AUTHORITIES IN CHARGE OF THIS COUNTRY WOULD KNOW WHO TO GO AFTER WHEN THEY WANT TO DISARM THE CITIZENS. THEN, WHAT WILL YOU LIBERALS DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU?

Message: Dear Hillary: I would like to know your views, and ideas on taking care of our Veterans. Particularly our combat veterans that because of their participation, and willingness to put themselves in harms way, and coming home to their families in many cases so mangled up that they cannot provide for their family, or themselves if that is the case. What would you do to ensure that these American heroes get the benefits they were promised, and be given their earned benefits to restore their financial dignity? With all this talk of surplus monies shouldn't we as a nation concernm ourselves with taking care of our children, whom are our future, our elderly who have worked their entire lives making this nation the wealthiest on earth, and our Combat Veterans whom literally in many cases gave their life, and limbs to protect our country over the many years, and wars it took to ensure our destiney? It does not seem unreasonable to me that we take care of the ones that got us to this point, and the youngsters that will lead us into the next century. I believe our priorities as a nation are disgraceful. Don't you think that we should provide for those responsible for our success? Please fight if elected to help get our nation priorites where they SHOULD BE. Thanks. Brooke

Message: HILLARY, DO YOU THINK LIARS GO TO HEAVEN? WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU AND BILL WILL END UP WHEN ETERNITY COMES?

Message: To the writer that agrees with Hillary, and Al Gore that we should all be I.D.'ed if we own a gun, and prove we know how to use this gun. Perhaps the government ought to have all of us prove we can still operate an automobile each time we buy one, or have us prove our ability to operate autos, and tricks each time we renew our Drivers Lic. instead of as in many states have us take an open book written test each time we renew instead of just handing us another lic. regardless of age, or disabilities of all types physical, and psychological. In most states you can take your Class"A" Lic. and simply tradeit for one for the new state. Perhaps government ought to get involved in weed-eater, and mower operation I.D.ing. Maybe government should continue, or even begin to make us prove that we are U.S. Citizens, and many as you state ex-Military that we have the good sense to operate or possess almost anything that we have fought to keep. Perhaps a revamp of the constitution so many Americans have fought, and died to preserve. UNTIL I have done something illegal. I as a veteran would prefer the government just say thank you, and STAY OUT of MY LIFE. I will not be penalized for someone elses behavior. ID me as a GUN OWNER ? I don't think so ! I believe that might be something for someone who is a repeat criminal.If the government would just UPHOLD the laws that are already on the books, there would be NO NEED to even think about legislating new laws that overlap the existing ones. I respect your right to have your point of view. I do not respect any entity that,again, impedes my lawful freedoms ! Jimi

Message: Hmm, the Liberals are getting quite vacuous and the conservative seem to be offering more well thought ideas. Are there no reasoned thoughts from the liberals.

Oh well, what do you think will happen in today's Australia v South Africa rugby match? I hate to say it, South Africa is in disarray.

Message: Descrimination against any individual or group because of their religion,,sexual orientation,race, gender or color is wrong! Hillary supports gender,racial and color preferences. therefor she is totally unquallified morally to be president. Then again her husband proved to be morally unquallified yet he became president. I guess she has a chance! How sad that this could be possible. Hitler rose to power as did Idi Amin so there is precedent for the unthinkable to happen!

Message: ...is ignoring the comments made above by Wall Streeter and nony mouse regarding the "A" word in mild deference to our kind editor and going to write on her book. *moochie - moochie*

Message: Let me tell you a little story. In my mid to late 20's, I had quite a lot of psychiatric difficulties for several years. Well, anyone who knows much about health insurance knows that psychiatric coverage is among the worst even for people who have excellent coverage. Since my coverage was rather skimpy in that the coverage I had most times was a sometimes yes and sometimes no medicaid. I was on this program that gave me coverage for my medicine when I ran the bills high enough to justify it. Something called SpendDown medicaid. A truly useless government program. I couldn't afford my medicine, so when I ran the bill high enough (usually nearly a thousand dollars of bills were required) I could get three more months of medicine. In the meantime, going into the hospital because I couldn't afford the medicine I needed normally ran the bill well over $10,000 so getting my medicine was no problem. As soon as I ran out, I was normally legitimately hospitalized anyway. Nowadays, I have Blue Cross which pays for the $400 to $500 of medicine I take every month without all these silly little rules and so I have not been hospitalized in quite a number of years. Which is cheaper, $500 a month for medicine or $10,000 of hospital bills every three months and then pay the damn medicine bills anyway? The government is stupid.

People need health insurance coverage and they don't need the government to be involved since Uncle Sam is utterly and completely unable to give out health care (or any thing else for that matter) with out attaching so many rules and requirements to it that he shoots himself in the ass. The point I am making is non-existent, so don't look for it. Just learn.

Message: Heh, heh, heh. There you go Wall Streeter. You are such a reasoning fellow. I have supplied you with the facts. Now if you would help my vacuous mind out by making my point for me, then I could go work. Later.

Message: I beleive you said it very well yourself. "People need health insurance coverage and they don't need the goverenment to be involved."

Message: - Searchers have found a piece of luggage on a Martha's Vineyard beach belonging to the sister-in-law of John F. Kennedy Jr., whose missing plane has been the object of a day-long search off the East Coast.

Coast Guard Capt. W. Russell Webster told CNN Saturday a suitcase was found on Philbin Beach near Aquinnah, Massachussetts. The suitcase had a tag on it bearing the name of Lauren Bessette, Kennedy's sister-in-law and a passenger on the missing plane.

Message: Wreckage found 100 yards off Gayhead Beach, Martha's Vinyard. Headrest and carpeting.

Don't get me wrong. I'm saddened by anyone's death but some people choose to live lives that just beg for Karmic Retribution. Perhaps he'll do better the next time around...

So, I wonder if Clinton will wait until after the Funeral before he blames the VRWC for this? I'll bet he doesn't call for "Plane Control" laws...

Message: PRO _ CHOICE is not pro death. Pro choice gives each of us the rights that we want. you don't want to be dictated to about hand guns well otheres don't want o be dictated to about child birth. PRO CHOICE is better then PRO NO CHOICE FOR A WOMEN

Message: TO Jimi Hattabaugh READ THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE WRITER THAT AGREES WITH HILLARY AND AL-GORE THAT WE SHOULD ALL HAVE ID'S TO OWN A GUN. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, IT SAYS: ALL THIS COULD GO INTO A COMPUTER DATA BANK. THAT WAY SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE, THE AUTHORITIES IN CHARGE OF THIS COUNTRY WOULD KNOW WHO TO GO AFTER WHEN THEY WANT TO DISARM THE CITIZENS. THEN, WHAT WILL YOU LIBERALS DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU?

Message: You are supposed to wait until he's in the ground before you point out the rules of karma sweety. It's only the polite thing to do. Pointing it out too early makes you look like an extremist, and an impolite one at that. *moochie - moochie bay-bee*

Message: Pro-choice is a sugar coated way of saying pro-death. Pro-murder. Pro-it's cheaper to kill 'em. Next, Hillary Clinton is a lying, stealing, cheating, lesbian hick who has leached off hard working Americans her whole life, never having had a real job. America is sick of the disgusting Clintons and the shame they have brought upon our country. America is a great country, but a sick society. The great "melting pot" has boiled over, and it stinks.

Message: The only rights you have is what is gauranteed in the constitution. All this crap about the government takeing care of you is just what it is. CRAP. Get a job and take care of yourself. I'm tired of losing my most basic freedom. The freedom to make my own decisions about my own life. To hell with the government telling me how I am supposed to act. All you whiners, take care of yourself You do not deserve anything I get out and make for myself. Give the tax breaks we are supposed to get and we can handle the rest. Once more, Get the hell out my life and leave me alone. I lost a brother in WW11, and I was in the Korean conflict. Get the President and her husband out of my life.

Message: Broaddrick charges are 21 years too late But Bill's a louse -- and hypocrite Hillary deserves to have a solipsistic Beverly Hills brat tied to her tail for all eternity. Dear Camille: How are feminists going to react to the now exploding Juanita Broaddrick 1978 rape allegations against then-Arkansas Attorney General Bill Clinton? Is there a limit to how much he can get away with, or can a pro-choice Dem married to HRC get away with ANYTHING? D. Murphy Dallas Dear D. Murphy, To my great surprise, Patricia Ireland, president of the National Organization for Women, who has normally taken a partisan Democratic line, made several statements severely critical of President Clinton after Broaddrick's televised charges. But then, predictably, Ireland backed off within days as she tried, in a bizarre feat of casuistry, to twist and turn the whole ruckus against conservative Republicans. If the stonewalling feminist establishment had responded rationally and honorably to Paula Jones' claim against Clinton in 1994 (when I stood virtually alone as a dissident feminist in my public support of Jones), the president's arrogant legal team might have been persuaded to settle the case -- and spare the nation the entire sorry saga of the Monica Lewinsky scandal and its convulsive impeachment aftermath. While Broaddrick's disturbing charge of rape against Clinton may or may not be true, the statute of limitations on that offense ran out long ago. I feel about the Broaddrick imbroglio much as I did about the overblown 1991 furor over Anita Hill, whose flimsy tales were cynically used by feminist insiders to hound and humiliate conservative Clarence Thomas because of their obsession with abortion rights: In all fairness, 10 years (in Thomas' case) or 21 years (in Clinton's case) must not be allowed to pass before charges are brought, particularly when there is little or no corroborating evidence. This is not a police state. I glimpsed the Jekyll-and-Hyde Clinton (as tearfully described by Broaddrick to NBC's Lisa Myers) in a fascinating moment of news footage several years ago, when Clinton was accosted and scolded on a California beach by a woman who was walking her dog. Some enterprising assistant producer should dig that tape out: A cold, purplish snarl and contemptuous, misogynous leer comes over Clinton's normally pallid and studiously bland, boyish features. It was a shocking revelation -- but of course the obtuse major media let it go without comment or follow-up. As a husband, Bill Clinton is a louse, and as a wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton is a collaborator and churchgoing hypocrite who has again and again propped up that fa�ade of a happy marriage for political self-interest and whose elitist indifference to less well-educated white women has helped produce what is apparently an endless series of female targets groped, propositioned, exploited or abused by her feckless spouse. Hillary richly deserves to have Monica Lewinsky -- that solipsistic Beverly Hills brat with a father complex -- tied to her tail for history. Don't mess with Jewish-American princesses! -- one of my all-time favorite sexual personae in life and art. I guess Hillary never saw "Goodbye, Columbus" (1969), the spirited film version of Philip Roth's novel starring the deliciously all-ruling Ali MacGraw (who later learned she herself is partly Jewish). Hillary makes great speeches: That is the totality of her political accomplishments. On the podium, she is the Protestant nun in her pulpit, full of Jonathan Edwards' thunder of hellfire. As she demonstrated during her ill-fated tenure as chief of health-care reform, she is a cliquish authoritarian who doesn't understand how democracy works. Why in Eleanor Roosevelt's name would anyone think the people of New York (my home state) want her as their senator? She'd have to have her own private cloak room built on the Mall to sit and sulk in, because a team player she ain't. Let's pack Hillary and her paper-thin feminism off on a world tour where she can do some good for the United Nations as a hectoring bottle blond with a mission for women's and children's rights. I'm sick of the Clintons and their eternal screw-ups. Right now, I'm looking to the future with high hopes for the 2000 campaign, where I'm enthusiastically supporting U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein for at least vice president on the Democratic national ticket.

Message: I REPEAT -- CAN YOU ANSWER? How is it that Bill fathered Chelsea if he was reportedly sterile as reported by Juanita Broaddrick? She says he told her he was sterile from a case of mumps when he was a child. If this is so, Hillary was getting it on on the side TOO. Was it Vince Foster who she had to have killed? OR, Webb Hubbell. Was that the first time he rolled over?

Message:

GOP congressman defects to Democrats
Forbes blasts party leaders

REP. MICHAEL FORBES, who represents the eastern tip of New York�s Long Island, told reporters at his home that the Republican Party �has become an angry, narrow-minded, intolerant and uncaring majority, incapable of governing at all, much less from the center, and tone-deaf to the concerns of a vast majority of Americans.�MORE...

Message: So young, so beautiful, and so much promise
John & Caroline - We hardly knew ye

Message: To the I agree With Hillary , and Al Gore agreement , about gun control. I did miss the last line I get adrenalin rushes when I see anything about gun control. I appreciate your response. I stand corrected! I'll up my medication to keep those adrenalin rushes under control. Thanks Jimi

Message: The first law of the Universe is SURVIVAL. This is the way it has always been. The Eskimoes put their first born out in the snow to die, if it was a girl, because she could not hunt enough food to keep the family alive. They put the old people, especially the old women, out in the snow to die if they could no longer contribute to the family and food was scarce. Survival is law.

In China and India, at this present time, there are approximately 40 million females missing in each country(read forty million - total 80 million). This is their solution to their overpopulation problem.

Our solution in the USA is more humane - abortion. Soon it will be even more humane when the French abortion pill RU486 is released. The argument over abortion will only concern complications, which have always been sanctioned, but the "baby will not get sucked down the sink" anymore. Your arguments are almost passe.

Yet, I'm not 100% sure the media hasn't gone overboard with all excessive coverage. Didn't another Kennedy die on the ski slopes a while ago? Am I wrong to assume that the press gave it minimal coverage in comparison?

I'm not of the Kennedy generation; actually, the first President I remember as a child is Ford, so perhaps the torrent of emotion sweeping the world is a little lost on me. I speculated to a friend the possibility of a heavy "guilt factor" involved with this media circus that will now parade before the world. Isn't it feasible that Americans of the Kennedy presidency feel partially responsible for "John-John" growing up without a father? They didn't pull the trigger, but they put John F. Kennedy in the White House, which also meant placing him in a position to be assassinated. Do the images compound the guilt? The horrible scenes of the shooting, the slumped over dead president, the blood on Jackie's dress, John-John's salute at this father's funeral....

I do believe that John F. Kennedy was "the only Kennedy that had a shot at being cool." He seemed drawn towards normalcy, no matter how the press attempted to disrupt that inclination. I respect someone who tried to call a "truce" with the press to give his new wife some freedom to become adjusted to the spotlight before she was thrust into it 24-7. No doubt people respected John Jr. for his dignified character, and that is another facet to the world's fascination with him in life and now in (possible) death.

Yet, I stil find myself dismayed at the media's dubbing of the Kennedy family as "America's Royalty." Should a family that rose to the top of the ranks of wealth and prosperity with the help of MOB connections EVER be hailed as "royalty?"

Fighting to preserve the sanctity of life will never be "passe" (you callous, savage, Eskimo bastard).

Message: Kennedy killed an innocent woman, just like uncle Ted, through his utter and complete stupidity. I know several pilots and every one of them tells me that taking someone up in those conditions without full instrument certification was either suicidal, incredibly arrogant or utterly stupid. I hope her surviving relatives sue the living crap out of his estate. He may have had the right to kill himself but he had no right to take someone with him!

Marty wrote: "...How is it that Bill fathered Chelsea if he was reportedly sterile as reported by Juanita Broaddrick? She says he told her he was sterile from a case of mumps when he was a child. If this is so...."

EXACTLY...IF this is so. You said it yourself. Everyone will only ever be able to speculate about this one, unless you think we should dredge Kenneth Starr up from among the living dead and ask him to investigate?

Chelsea looks like a Bill & Hill mix if there ever was one. Personally, I think she's got her father's nose and squinty eyes, along with her mother's smile and eye color. I think Brodderick is FOS - full of s****.

You Can't Handle the Truth wrote: "I hope her surviving relatives sue the living crap out of his estate."

Chelsea looks like a Bill & Hill mix if there ever was one. Personally, I think she's got her father's nose and squinty eyes, along with her mother's smile and eye color.

I think you are right on with this one Dawn, but when it comes to questioning things about Chelsea Clinton I wish the extremists could sse what utter and complete idiots they look like. It is completely wrong to speculate about Chelsea's parentage. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! (I'll never even so much as LISTEN to one of the extremists arguments regarding the "A" word as long as they show themselves capable of standing on any side of these arguments that are WROGN to even exist int he first place.)

Message: Kennedy dicks are harder. That is why they are so prone to rigor mortis.

You say you do not understand what is being talked about - could you be more specific - what are you confused about?

Message: Am I the only one who finds it strange that Hillary does not respond to any questions on this forum?

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