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By PETE YOST Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - With Whitewater officially over, Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr is trying to wrap up two other parts of his investigation - the White House travel office firings and accusations by presidential accuser Kathleen Willey, according to legal sources familiar with the probe.

Starr ended his nearly five-year Whitewater probe Wednesday by obtaining a pair of guilty pleas from presidential friend Webster Hubbell, who was sentenced to a year's probation by U.S. District Judge James Robertson, a Clinton appointee.

With Mrs. Clinton considering a Senate bid and no longer facing a possible court appearance at Hubbell's now-scuttled August trial, supporters of the president and first lady cheered the end of Whitewater.

``Ken Starr has finally acknowledged after all this time and all this money that there was never anything there in Whitewater, despite Republican accusations and innuendo over the last five years,'' former White House special counsel Lanny Davis said.

Starr now turns his attention elsewhere. Legal sources familiar with the investigation, speaking on condition of anonymity, said his office was dealing with:

-The 1993 purge of the White House travel office and whether Mrs. Clinton directed the firings. She says she did not.

-Nathan Landow, a Maryland developer and Democratic Party contributor. A recently released FBI polygraph report says Kathleen Willey, who has accused Clinton of groping her at the White House, has alleged that Landow suggested possible testimony she could give in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. Landow denies any wrongdoing.

A defiant Hubbell, the former No. 3 official at the Justice Department, insisted Wednesday that ``what I pleaded to has nothing to do with Mrs. Clinton,'' even though the broadly worded felony charge to which he pleaded guilty accuses him of concealing legal work he and the first lady performed on a fraudulent Arkansas land project in the 1980s.

In the plea agreement, the single specific listed by Hubbell was failing to disclose a potential conflict of interest to federal regulators.

Starr prosecutor Robert Ray said in court that ``proof'' at a Hubbell trial would have reflected the concealment of work by ``the 1985-86 billing partner,'' a reference to Mrs. Clinton. Starr underscored that later, issuing a written statement saying the wide-ranging charge to which Hubbell pleaded guilty concerned his and ``Hillary Rodham Clinton's relationship'' with a real estate project. Federal regulators say it was riddled with sham transactions and fictitious land sales.

Hubbell also pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of failing to pay income tax in a deal that also dropped tax charges against his wife, his accountant and his tax attorney.and all I had to do is plead guilty and admit Ken Starr was right all along

``After five years, it's over,'' Hubbell said outside the federal courthouse. ``The office of independent counsel has finally agreed to leave me, my family and my friends alone. And our lives can begin again.''

Starr said the guilty pleas ended the Arkansas phase of his investigation that looked at the Clintons' Whitewater real estate investment and other business and private dealings. He said he was trying to wrap up other aspects in an ``orderly fashion'' but that a federal grand jury was still looking into certain allegations.

Starr's efforts have resulted in convictions of 14 people, including the Clintons' Whitewater business partners James and Susan McDougal and then-Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker, and led to the president's impeachment by the House last winter on charges related to the Monica Lewinsky sex and cover-up scandal. Clinton was acquitted by the Senate.

At Hubbell's sentencing that immediately followed his guilty pleas, Starr acknowledged that incessant criticism of his $40 million investigation played a role in his decision to reach a deal with the former associate attorney general. He told the judge that the controversy had ``found its way into the hearts and minds of prospective jurors'' and could have affected Hubbell's trial.

Starr also cited the end of the independent counsel law, which expired Wednesday because Congress did not renew it. Under a grandfather clause, Starr can keep investigating.

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Starr's efforts have resulted in convictions of 14 people, including the Clintons' Whitewater business partners James and Susan McDougal and then-Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker, and led to the president's impeachment by the House last winter on charges related to the Monica Lewinsky sex and cover-up scandal.

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Message: A Day of Disappointing Developments for Gore
Bradley's Fund-Raising Reflects Serious Challenge

By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 1, 1999; Page A08

Second-quarter fund-raising reports released yesterday gave Vice President Gore a double dose of bad news: He now faces a serious primary challenge, and if he clears that hurdle, he must confront the long-term prospect of competing with a Republican rival who so far has demonstrated extraordinary fund-raising abilities.

Former senator Bill Bradley, already positioned as the only alternative to Gore for the Democratic nomination, collected $7.5 million over the past three months, to Gore's estimated $9 million. That impressive effort puts Bradley on track to meet his goal of pulling in between $20 million and $25 million by the end of the year and ensures he will have ample money to compete in the early nominating contests.

Gore's chief Republican rival, George W. Bush, already has raised more money -- an astonishing $36.2 million -- than he is allowed to spend in the primaries if he plans to receive federal matching funds. With so much money already in hand, it seems nearly certain he will forgo matching funds so he can spend unlimited amounts throughout the election.

In between visits with corporate executives in Manhattan yesterday, Gore said he was satisfied with the estimated $18.2 million he raised in the first half of 1999. But he hinted -- and his aides asserted more firmly -- that his campaign will attempt to portray Bush as a man of privilege relying on special-interest money to fuel his candidacy.

"I believe in campaign finance reform," Gore told reporters, obliquely referring to the likelihood that Bush will opt out of the federal system.

The disappointing fund-raising developments came sandwiched between other ominous signs for Gore. In recent weeks, his campaign message has been mostly overshadowed by the side drama of Gore's attempts to distance himself from the personal morals of President Clinton and whether that has caused tensions between the two men.

"We're losing the PR game," said one Gore adviser.

On Capitol Hill, meanwhile, two prominent Democrats, Sens. Bob Kerrey (Neb.) and Daniel Patrick Moynihan (N.Y.), were considering whether to endorse Bradley, said an aide to one of the two senators. Both lawmakers recently met with Bradley to discuss that possibility.

The public face of the Gore campaign, deputy chairwoman Marla Romash, suggested Bradley had peaked financially: "Bradley had about as good a quarter as he's going to have."

But privately Gore supporters were more circumspect.

"Bradley raised almost eight [million dollars] this time and we did about nine [million]," one Gore fund-raiser said. "That's what the campaign is panicking about."

Anthony Corrado, a campaign finance expert at Colby College, said Bradley will have the resources to get his message out, and because Bradley is the only alternative to Gore, he will be able to wage a lower-cost campaign.

Although national polls show the vice president well ahead in the nomination contest, a survey last month in New Hampshire gave Gore just an 11-point lead over Bradley and a new Boston Globe poll indicates the two are in a statistical dead heat in Massachusetts.

Referring to Gore, Boston Democratic consultant Mary Ann Marsh said: "It doesn't seem like the guy can get a break. He really needs to break away and change the dynamic; he needs a landscape-altering event."

The Gore team hopes to get a financial boost in the fall when Clinton hits the money circuit on the vice president's behalf. Yet the one mail solicitation Clinton sent this spring fell far short of expectations, according to two sources inside the Gore campaign.

Even assuming Gore gets past Bradley, the fund-raising reports indicate Bush will have so much money that he can start focusing on the general election much sooner than Gore.

"The thing that is anxiety-provoking is this accelerated general election we've been thrust into by George W. Bush's huge fund-raising capacity and his ability to dominate the Republican field," said California Democrat Bill Carrick, expressing fears Bush will be able to target Gore far earlier in the campaign.

In 1996, Robert J. Dole secured the GOP nomination but found himself with less than $2 million for the critical five-month stretch leading up to his convention. The Clinton-Gore team, with no primary opposition, squirreled away about $19 million and spent the money relentlessly attacking Dole on the airwaves.

As a result, Dole curtailed his travel and ran no advertisements, said his former campaign manager Scott Reed. "But the worst part was it put a cloud over the campaign that was very difficult to get out from underneath until we got our money at the convention."

One Gore strategist, mulling that very problem, said yesterday that he worries Bush will be so well-financed that he will start targeting key general election states such as New Jersey, Ohio and California as early as March.

"I don't know how we counteract that," he said. "Can we blow the caps and can we get away with it when we have a primary opponent talking about campaign finance reform?"

Romash argued that Gore and Bush are on equal footing because both are about halfway to meeting their fund-raising goals.

"Republicans almost always have more money," she said, acknowledging that was not the case in 1996. "Democrats win because they have better ideas and stronger candidates."

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Gore Knows Pigs

Al Gore, the Des Moines Register, March 16, 1999.

"I’ll tell you something else my father taught me. He taught me how to clean out hog waste with a shovel and a hose. He taught me how to clear land with a double-bladed ax. He taught me how to plow a steep hillside with a team of mules. He taught me how to take up hay all day long in the hot sun and then, after a dinner break, go over and help the neighbors take up hay before the rain came and spoiled it on the ground."

"Gore was a son of politics, a child of Washington, where his father served for 32 years as a congressman and a senator. The family residence was an apartment in the elegant Fairfax Hotel, which was owned by a Gore cousin; young Al walked across the street every morning to the Cosmos Club, where a bus picked him up for the ride to Washington’s most elite prep school, St. Alban’s, on the grounds of the Washington Cathedral." The New Yorker, November 28, 1994.

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Message: Boo! I am very glad to see Ken Starr and the Independent Counsel law finally gone. He abused his powers and despite some small convictions, failed in his (and others') attempt to overthrow a legally elected president. His tactics were heartless and relentless, his leaks to the press unconscienable and his playing power politics with Hillary's campaign for Senate was the final straw. Bye Bye. We, the American public, won't miss you!

The VWRC forgets what Nixon did whilst in office to prompt the Independent Counsel law in the first place---remember the Saturday Night Massacre? Two Attorneys General resigned rather than follow his orders to fire Cox, remember? Remember Watergate? Remember the paranoia, the hate? Well, the VWRC sure got the Dems back, didn't they, with their little witch hunt. Except for one thing. Kenny proved that there was no criminal offense on the part of the Clintons!! HA HA.

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Message: Dearest Hazel,

Try for a moment to approach this forum in an honest fashion. For example, your statement that Starr only got a few small convictions is absurd. Lest we forget;
David Hale; Conspiracy, false statements, 1994
Charles Mathews; Bribery, 1994
Eugene Fitzhugh; Bribery, 1994
Robert Palmer; Conspiracy, 1994
Webster Hubbell; Fraud, 1994
Neal Ainley; Fraud, 1995
Chris Wade; Fraud, 1995
Stephen Smith; Conspiracy, 1995
Larry Kuca; Conspiracy, 1995
James McDougal; Fraud, 1996
Susan McDougal; Fraud, 1996
William Marks; Fraud, 1997
Jim Guy Tucker; Fraud, 1996, ‘98
John Haley; Fraud, 1998

These people were governors and judges and high level justice officials and the movers and shakers of Arkansas. You don't hate Starr because he didn't do squat. You hate him precisely because he was too effective.

BTW, impeachment is not an overthrow

If Starr abused his power, what has Clinton done?

If Nixon instigated a "saturday Night Massacre by firing a few people, what do you call Clinton's actually killing of innocent people in his various wag the dog wars?

It is people like you who spew disingenuous stupidity that riles conservatives.

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Message: Kenny proved that there was no criminal offense on the part of the Clintons!! HA HA.

More stupidity! "IS" doesn't mean "IS", "ALONE" doesn't mean "ALONE", up means down. Only by accepting Clinton's most stupid statements can you say Clinton didn't break any law. While the Senate chose not to remove Clinton for perjury, obstruction of justice, and witness tampering, they are still crimes and Clinton may have to answer to a judge and jury after he's out.

BTW, do you really think Clinton could remember getting a pizza from Monica, but not a blowjob?

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Message: Hillary, You better kick some right wing butt. It is an honor to have such a dynamic woman running for Senate in the best state in the country. I welcome you and would love to volunteer my time for your Senate campaign. I live close to your newly announced office location. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!

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Message: Ken Starr not only proved Bill Clinton is a liar, but he also fixed it so that Bill and Hillary can never, ever get a divorce. They may separate and they may go their own separate ways, but I'll lay money they never divorce because then they could be forced to testify to each other's dirty deeds. Let's have a vote. Who is dirtier? Bill or Hillary? My vote goes for Bill, but I still wouldn't vote for Hillary because despite the level of filth that Bill stands for, Hillary is still cleaner than very, very few HOGS.

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I am very glad to see Ken Starr and the Independent Counsel law finally gone.

Ken Starr is not gone (not to mention Ken Starr also opposes the law and actually testified to congress to NOT renew the law).

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He abused his powers and despite some small convictions, failed in his (and others') attempt to overthrow a legally elected president.

What a stupid thing to say! He has NEVER be formally accuses of ANYTHING (not even J-walking). He has never been accuse of abuse of power (accept for the Clinton propaganda machine). The conviction was not at all small - many people went to jail. Starr convicted the sitting governor of Arkansas (hand picked by Clinton). Starr presented the indictment that ultimately led to the impeachment of a president - this only happen one other time in the history of this country (by far, that was not small conviction). Ken Starr has been the must successful Independent Council EVER! Ken Starr succeeded in about 95% of all his endeavors (a record most prosecutor only dream of). Ken Starr said there was evidence of wrong doing that warranted impeachment of the President - Ken Starr was Correct and Bill Clinton was impeached by a legally elected congress. Nothing small about it - Ken Starr kicked major butt!

As for your ludicrous "overthrow a president" comment - are you really that misinformed? Ken Starr's job was to see if their was wrong doings - there were - Ken Starr presented his finding to Congress and the legally elected Congress impeached him. Ken Starr NEVER tried to overthrow anything - not to mention he could not because he has no power - only the power to indict. Either you are ignorant of how our government works or you like parroting mindless propaganda. This was and still is a stupid baseless argument. Obviously you are pissed that helped impeached your president and you are willing to make things up as you strike out in anger. Sorry that dog don't hunt - you are factually incorrect (not even close).

His tactics were heartless and relentless

If merely did what all prosecutors do - you are just ignorant of our judicial system.

his leaks to the press unconscienable and his playing power politics with Hillary's campaign for Senate was the final straw.

Now you have gone way too far - what are talking about - this NEVER happened. There is not proof that Starr EVER leaked to the press (there is more proof that it was the White House). As for leaks related to Hillary - Sorry Witch Hazel it never happened - you are now making this sh*t up. Please explain exactly what Ken Starr was supposed to have leaked (with so sort of supporting evidence) or admit that once again you are just making it up. This is amazing - Hillary hasn't even announced that she IS running for the Senate! Facts and the truth mean little to you Witch Hazel.

Remember the paranoia, the hate?

It is hard to forget - paranoia and hate is alive and well, just read your brain-fart message about Ken Starr.

Well, the VWRC sure got the Dems back, didn't they, with their little witch hunt.

A Witch Hunt - give me a break. 14 conviction and an impeached president (the most successful Independent Council eve). Join us in reality Witch Hazel. (Talk about a Witch Hunt - the Iran/Contra Witch Hunt went on for 7 years cost more that Ken Starr and yielded zero conviction and zero impeachment - that by definition was a Witch Hunt).

Kenny proved that there was no criminal offense on the part of the Clintons!! HA HA.

You are in serious clinical denial. Democrats Senior Senator Byrd summed it up best when he said "Who are we kidding, Clinton is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors - but he in only in for 2 more years so I don't want he removed. Ken Starr successful proved that Clinton was guilty and Clinton was impeached as a result. Witch Hazel, saying a lie often does not make it true - think for yourself and stop parroting mindless propaganda.

I assume you will reply by launching a personal, ad hominem attack.

-LVD

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Message: Why couldn't Kenny get an indictment, let alone a conviction of either Clinton in the Whitewater matter? He just didn't try hard enough?

Why did Kenny turn to S*E*X* scandals to try to get (read entrap) the President instead of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he HAD committed any crime?

Yes, the President had an affair with a young girl and lied about it. You act like that is the most horrible thing on earth. What's wrong with a little nooky? Poor horney guy, we know he has an impulse control problem but give him a break. With the secret service around all the time, it was hard to get laid. If Hillary forgives him it's none of our business.

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Message: Well, Kenny did find a half dozen instances of tax evasion based on Whitewater. Kenny got three out of four major players to agree to testify against the Clintons (the fourth merely refusing to say anything). Hillary did get caught with subponaed records.

Is all this enought to indict? Yes, but is it enough to convict. I don't know. Conviction requires a high standard of proof in the courts. But ask yourself, Hazel, do you think that it is more likely than not that Clinton was part of a land fraud deal with Hale and the McDougals?

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Why couldn't Kenny get an indictment, let alone a conviction of either Clinton in the Whitewater matter? He just didn't try hard enough?

Let's see - he convicted 14 of Clinton's business associate but Witch Hazel thinks there was no wrongdoing. Al Capone was never convicted of any crime related to mob activity - Witch Hazel, I assume you believe Al Capone was innocent as the wind driven snow. Why are liberals so thick? They act as thought if Bill and Hillary weren't convicted than nothing happened. 14 people were convicted of crimes connected to a business deal of which Bill and Hillary were partners. The fact that Bill or Hillary was not indicted does not mean that nothing wrong was going on there. Clinton's closest business partners did jail time for their actions including your beloved felon and liar Susan McDougal.

Why did Kenny turn to S*E*X* scandals to try to get (read entrap) the President instead of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he HAD committed any crime?

That simple is not true. Of the 14 people Ken Starr convicted - none of them were convicted for "sex scandal". Ken Starr is responsible for Bill Clinton's impeachment - this may come as a shock to you Witch Hazel - Clinton was not impeached for "sex scandal", he was impeached because he lied and obstructed justice. Read the Clinton Articles of Impeachment - not once is the word sex mention and none of the charges are "sex scandal". If you are such a fool that you believe Ken Starr entrapped Clinton - I feel sorry for you. So, Ken Starr got Monica to do Bill knowing Bill would lie and obstruct justice all as a part of a giant sting - PLEASE! Monica came from a life-long Democrat family. There is absolutely no evidence to support your entrapment statement (but lack of evidence never stopped Witch Hazel).

Yes, the President had an affair with a young girl and lied about it.

In a court of law (after swearing to tell the truth) in an attempt to deny a citizen a fair trial. That my friend is a very serious crime!

You act like that is the most horrible thing on earth.

Lying in a court of law in an attempt to avoid justice is a very serious crime. If everybody is allowed to pull a "Clinton" in court - then our judicial system will be rendered null and void.

What's wrong with a little nooky?

Why are you changing the subject - Clinton was not impeached for getting "a little nooky" (not to mention if you are a fan of Hillary - how can you make light of Clinton violating his vows with Hillary and publicly humiliating her - what is this, anything to defend your man?). You liberals are sex obsessed - the impeachment was not about sex. The 14 convictions of Ken Starr were not about sex.

-LVD

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Message: Somebody suggested that we start a whole new forum after the Centennial Forum. I'm ready to see the next episode. What will that be? What should the new Forum look like? How will it be different from this one? Who is going to build it? And how much will it cost?

Let's talk.... after all this time on the forum we should be able to build us a sleek super-forum, running smoothly, just the way we want it.

We have a lot of computer engineers on this forum so they should have some really good ideas. Let's hear it from your creative minds for the next millennium.

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Message: We remember your president as a most dynamic man, with enduring strength and stamina, whose many faults included having a fling with a voluptuous intern and then lying about it.

We understand, as history has always understood, that humans have to lie about certain things, and lying about sex is one of them. Perple forgive what they see in themselves, and a lot of us have been down that road. As with Hubbell we will forgive him, and he will be free from being "a fire hydrant surrounded by dogs" as Clinton sometimes sees himself.

So let go of this one LVD, 'cause this dog can't hunt.

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Message: In the end President Clinton had the last laugh on all his distractors. He who laughs last, laughs the loundest.

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Message: Time magazine says it is so Columbia Bush caught smuggling in $19,000 worth of clothes and must cough up a $4100 fine. What's the matter Mrs Bush trying to cheat the US out of the duty? Some morality, do as I say not as I do.

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Message: Hi, I am one of overseas supporter to Mrs. Hillary Clinton. I am sure she will be US senate from NY and be future first woman US president!! I want to find out the way to support her and I wish to work with Tony Rodham with our future foundation in USA. Could I talk with someone ? Tak

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My name is Dean Gabriel and I live in Manhattan.  I live close to your newly announced office location and would like to volunteer my time to your Senate campaign.  It would be an honor for me.  I welcome you to the best state in the union.
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1) Get rid of the e-mail area. No one uses it anyway. In 1994 when you began this forum, people actually felt that e-mail was an anonymous means of communication. Now with the increase in means to trace ISP and internet spam for porn, people are increasingly protective of their e-mail address. I suggest you do not even intimate you want it. You couldn't possibly have time to do anything with it anyway. I would suggest you might call this SUBJECT(optional)in the tradition of an e-mail. Perhaps if you called the Name area NAME (optional) as well you may have just a couple of people less who feel compelled to enter a name when they are stealing monikers.

2) Change the background to a nice, calm, extremely light blue. The background colors you use contains a good deal of yellow which is a color of conflict. We have enough trouble with that around here.

3) Keep up the good work on the more professional looking boxes referring one to the next forum. In this tradition perhaps you could fix the things in the heading that are broken and have been for 50 forums or so.

4) Instead of the forum being called Hillary_Clinton_Forum, perhaps you could get out your paint shop pro and make us up a really snazzy picture gif that says Hillary Clinton Forum across the top. I can't emphasize how much I believe the people on the forum will behave in a more professional manner if the forum has a very professional appearance.

5) If you truly desire to support Hillary Clinton for Senator of New York, I would suggest a lead-in campaign slogan that has more to do with reasons why Hillary might actually make a good Senator. I don't believe her sexiness or lack thereof have much to do with why the majority of her constituency might vote for her. It is really an insult to the voters and Hillary Clinton to suggest that her being "the sexiest woman alive" has anything whatsoever to do with her qualifications as a senator. It also tends to be rather an inflammatory statement as well to enter the forum to that message or any as unprofessional as that one regardless of their content. This lends itself to the craziness that occurs at regular intervals on this forum> I believe, at least some of, it would not occur if the Liberals, Democrats, Left, whatever you call yourselves (no offense intended) did not have the upper hand in instigating difficulties with the header. There is nothing wrong with supporting Hillary if that is your opinion, but you might find you draw more intelligent, less disturbed discussion if you did not lead in with it.

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Message: What I meant to say in #5 above was if you did not lead in with it..."it" referring to the inflammatory header.

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Message: Thank you. You made some good points. I really appreciate the time and trouble you took to intelligently point out how we could improve this forum.

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Message: Hi Hillary, Just dropped in to say hello and ask how your campaign is going.

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Time magazine says it is so Columbia Bush caught smuggling in $19,000 worth of clothes and must cough up a $4100 fine. What's the matter Mrs Bush trying to cheat the US out of the duty? Some morality, do as I say not as I do.

I hope you understand (which I doubt) - that you are speaking of the wife of the Governor of Florida. She has nothing to do with GW Bush (except she is married to his brother). You liberals (that pretend occasionally to be conservative - rarely do you homework).

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We remember your president as a most dynamic man, with enduring strength and stamina,

I assume you are speaking of Ronald Reagan.

We understand, as history has always understood, that humans have to lie about certain things, and lying about sex is one of them.

Is this statement not the biggest load of guano. Please. Bill Clinton is a weasel. He will lie, cheat or do whatever is necessary to fulfill his whim (including bombing a pharmaceutical plant and killing innocent people for the sole purpose of deflecting attention from his lies). Bill Clinton was being sued for sexual harassment and he lied under oath in hopes of avoiding justice. Our judicial system does not allow people to lie under oath - EVER! Bill Clinton's lie was NOT a gentlemanly lie at a cocktail party - the man lied under oath in an attempt to deny another citizen justice. Remember, Nixon NEVER lied under oath so in this category Clinton is FAR worse than Nixon.

People forgive what they see in themselves, and a lot of us have been down that road.

"people" have not forgiven Bill Clinton (check the polls)(Check ALGORE polls numbers and then Check GW Bush's polls numbers). Bill Clinton was impeached for his wrong doings and the only reason why the Senate chose not to remove him was most decided it was not enough (nobody said he was innocent). Bill Clinton does not deserve forgiveness yet - he has never taken responsibility for his wrongdoings.

As with Hubbell we will forgive him, and he will be free from being "a fire hydrant surrounded by dogs" as Clinton sometimes sees himself.

Hubbell comments multiple counts of fraud. Hubbell cheated on his taxes. Hubbell stole money and cheated his clients. Hubbell just pleaded guilty to fraud for covering up Hillary Clinton's participation in a fraudulent (criminal) land deal. He was not a "fire hydrant" - he was a liar and a cheat. Do you freely forgive EVERYBODY that commits fraud?

So let go of this one LVD, 'cause this dog can't hunt.

Jeepers, you can't even get cliches straight - the saying is "that dog won't hunt" (BTW - I am not nitpicking - the cliché refers to an unsuccessful hunting dog and "can't" would be a different connotation - the idea is the dog tries but is unsuccessful - "can't" changes the meaning)(on second thought maybe it is nitpicking - I sound like Bill Clinton quibbling over the meaning of the word "is")

History will remember Bill Clinton as the worst president of this century. Clinton killed nationalize medicine (a liberal dream killed by a so-called liberal) - Clinton presented a disaster of a budget in 1993 that included the largest tax increase in the history of this country yet it yielded and forecasted 200 billion a year deficits (higher than the highest deficits of the Reagan era) to the year 2000 (At the time Clinton said balancing the budget before 2000 would ruin our economy and once again he was wrong). Clinton's actions made the American people throw the Democrat party out of control of congress (they controlled it for 40 years)(not to mention hundreds of elected Democrats have abandoned the party to become Republicans - 3 did it this week). Clinton has single handedly devastated the Democrat party, in the last 3 elections the Republican have WIN in every national category(except President), something that was unthinkable before Clinton, and the upcoming elections are shaping up to be a complete sweep for the Republicans (they may control EVERYTHING and even I am not sure that is a good idea). Clinton wins on propaganda - but the Republicans have won everything else. Clinton then became a born-again conservative taking credit for everything the Republican congress accomplished (balanced budget, welfare reform, etc). Clinton then lied under oath to avoid justice and when he was caught he went on television and lied to the American people while shaking his bony finger at us. He them went on a 7 month, 7 million dollar campaign of lies and personal character assignations only to admit he was lying all along.

History will show that Clinton was the most self-serving president ever. Clinton was willing to kill people to divert attention - he fund and directed a McCarthy-style campaign of terror and character assignation against his enemies, and quibbled over the meaning of the word "is" in his tangled web of lies.

Once the taxpayer funded Clinton propaganda machine is flushed from the White House - history will give Clinton his just reward. History will sum it up this way: Clinton - NEVER AGAIN!

-LVD

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Thank you for your recognition and you are quite welcome Madam Editor. I thought of one other thing as well which I have added below.

B>6) Delete all messages, regardless of their other content that contain personal attacks of a VULGAR nature against other forum participants. I do realize that this is asking you to attempt to do what the Supreme Court cannot, but in the tradition of friends and family, someone in the real world gets to decide what is vulgar in a given universe. Make it a rule, post it and stick to it. Don't point the finger, because it is not fair to do that on an anonymous forum. Simply delete the message. (You already do this to an extent, but I feel you could improve on this with a statement of your intentions preceding the forum.) Remember, It's YOUR world. You're allowed. You do not have to justify it. You simply have to make it a rule and stick to it CONSISTENTLY! The consistency is what is important. That means you delete the Democrat, Left, Liberal attacks as well as the Republican, Right, Conservative ones. ALL of them. And do not make the message announcing your intentions to do this inflammatory or accusatory in the least. Simply state your intentions or desires for this forum, and then enforce them. I may try to come up with a message for you and post it publicly for others to lend their input to it before the Forum is here. Perhaps some others could try to do the same and you could incorporate the best parts of all of them.

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Thank you for your recognition and you are quite welcome Madam Editor. I thought of one other thing as well which I have added below.

6) Delete all messages, regardless of their other content that contain personal attacks of a VULGAR nature against other forum participants. I do realize that this is asking you to attempt to do what the Supreme Court cannot, but in the tradition of friends and family, someone in the real world gets to decide what is vulgar in a given universe. Make it a rule, post it and stick to it. Don't point the finger, because it is not fair to do that on an anonymous forum. Simply delete the message. (You already do this to an extent, but I feel you could improve on this with a statement of your intentions preceding the forum.) Remember, It's YOUR world. You're allowed. You do not have to justify it. You simply have to make it a rule and stick to it CONSISTENTLY! The consistency is what is important. That means you delete the Democrat, Left, Liberal attacks as well as the Republican, Right, Conservative ones. ALL of them. And do not make the message announcing your intentions to do this inflammatory or accusatory in the least. Simply state your intentions or desires for this forum, and then enforce them. I may try to come up with a message for you and post it publicly for others to lend their input to it before the Forum is here. Perhaps some others could try to do the same and you could incorporate the best parts of all of them.

Name: Last Visible Dog to Laughing Democrat

email:

Message:

In the end President Clinton had the last laugh on all his distractors. He who laughs last, laughs the loundest.

What exactly is Bill "weasel boy" Clinton laughing about? That he will have the legacy as the first elected president to be impeachment (for lying in court), a president that actually quibbled over the word "is", a president that allowed subrogate employees to sexually service him (with his wife in the same building) and then lied to the American people on national television about it, or the Clinton Backlash that seem to be shaping up to a land-slide defeat for ALGORE?

Sound more like the laughing of a lunatic in an asylum.

Anybody that thinks impeachment, lying, scandal, adultery, humiliating his wife, and killing innocent people is something to laugh about is a truly a sick puppy.

-LVD

Name: Everyone or Noone...WHO the HELL KNOWS!!!

email:

Message: Last Forum we discussed the fact that Zippy the Wonder Slug and KlugeBoy are the same person. Wonderful, wonderful Zippy who can do no wrong!!! Well, no one can be that perfect! Me thinks perhaps Zippy is not only Kluge but is also LVD and, hell looking back over the forums, maybe Stoner and GOD only knows who else! Logic Nazi? Me thinks Yes! Did you know there is really only ONE conservative that has found this forum? Now that ControlGirl has left maybe Mr. Perfect has taken on her moniker too? Just how many personalities DO you have Mr. Kluge... er...sorry Zippy? And the real question is... Do you have a REAL life????

Name: TPI135TPI

email: WE THE PEOPLE

Message: LOL , LVD your still out here ! I find that very funny. Hows the days been treatin you good buddy?I am just relaxing after the terrible political abuse was over. Glad we won; ) Hope alls well in love and war with you. Buy the way I am coming back on to advise the democratic party on how to save the Medical care system ,this will give a good kick stert in our favior in getting yet another democratic prsident this coming election. Hope you day is a special one ...always out and about TPI135TPI

Name: to Everyone or Noone...WHO the HELL KNOWS!!!

email:

Message: I know! You're Control Girl, Kluge, or Zippy, and for people such as yourself who've been here for at least eighty forums to accuse others of not having a life is a hoot!

Name: Ms. Eye opener

email: LMFAO

Message: Dear Esme!

Actually the one and only Logic Nazi was here for about 8 or 9 forums then left. Although he lives and works in Old Town, Alexandria, he comes to our offices occasionally as his firm does our patent work and licensing and contracts. He left because he said this place was turning him from his usual funny self to an angrier person. Actually, I can see why. Now, hold on to your socks, Esme, because the one and only Wee-Willey-Jeff and Logic Nazi are the same. I believe he said he'd tell you eventually, but he got tired of the same old hate speech.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Wall Streeter is right, Esme, in that Monikers here need passwords and registration. BTW, Control girl seemed to show a bipolar personality since her arrival. Who ever is the recent copy can't top her. Wee-Willey-Jeff didn't need to tell me that either. It's apparent.

Is this mea culpa or do I need to grovel some more.....}

Name: to you know who

email:

Message: And Zippy and LVD aren't the same. That's also apparent. LOL

Name: Last Visible Dog to Mr. T

email:

Message:

(I am really to this message as I read - I have not read-ahead)

LOL , LVD your still out here ! I find that very funny. Hows the days been treatin you good buddy?

Let's see - judging by the fact that you are LOL, I wonder about you sincerity. Right I am waiting for the zinger (I think it is obvious you are setting me up).

I am just relaxing after the terrible political abuse was over. Glad we won; )

Hmmm, who is "we" and what exactly have you won?

Hope alls well in love and war with you.

All is well for me (except for that war thing - I am not into war so I avoid it)

Buy the way I am coming back on to advise the democratic party on how to save the Medical care system ,this will give a good kick stert in our favior in getting yet another democratic prsident this coming election.

No shortage of ego here. So merely by posting messages to the Hillary forum you are going to "save" the Medical system and give a kick "stert" to ALGORE. Good luck (nothing grandiose about your idea). BTW - right now ALGORE in not even close and each day he falls further behind, the Clinton Backlash is starting to take effect and it looks likely that the Republicans will win it all. But don't like me rain on your little parade - keep on daydreaming.

Hope you day is a special one ...always out and about TPI135TPI

Hey - where's the zinger. Guess I was wrong. TPI135TPI (can I call you Mr. T) - Mr. T, my day is just dandy and I hope yours is the same.

May you be in heaven an hour before the devil knows you're dead.

-LVD

Name: Control Girl

email:

Message: Have a happy and safe 4th of July week-end LVD and anyone else reading this.

Name: Ms. Eye Opener

email: to LVD

Message: We should call W-W-J and do pizza. IL FORNO, preferably.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email: The Center of the Universe

Message:

Damn, this must actually be the center of the universe.

No offense intended to our Dear Forum Members but, IMHO, DC is is the Center of the Universe's Ass (based purely on what I can see from the various news services). This was not true several years ago. The Universe must have had an Ass Transplant (it used to be in Arkansas) and DC just got Lucky.

Zippy aka LVD either leaves this forum or he doesn't need to come home.

"You know who" needs a change in medication. The only question is "More, less or different?"...

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email: The Big Picture

Message:

Name: Editor to Root Beer

email: editor@hillary.org.

Message: Root Beer, keep talking to me. I really like your sincerity. At this present time I don't have the time and resources to do some of the things you suggest but that will change soon, as good things seem to be in the offing.

Don't stop giving me advice. The more the better

With love and best wishes. Editor

Name: Editor to Ms. Eye Opener

email: About Logic Nazi

Message: "Actually the one and only Logic Nazi was here for about 8 or 9 forums"

Thank you for that information. I am not surprised that Logic is W-W-J. I enjoyed him so much, looked forward to every message he wrote. What can I do to have him come back? I would even go so far as to apologize for getting too mad at him (just one time)!!!

I would like him to come back as W-W-J as he played that part so brilliantly. Tell Logic that all is forgiven and I want him back!

Name: a nony mouse

email: Re. Forum 100

Message: Forum 100 should be the best of W-W-J forum. His responses to the usual liberal cliche' dribel.

Name: Editor to Zippy the Wonder Slug

email:

Message: Thank you Zippy the Wonderful Slug for your patriotic 4th of July message. As somebody who immigrated to the United States 38 years ago, I have never stopped loving America. There was never a time I wanted to live anywhere else. America is the land of opportunity in every sense of the word, and, the way I see it with my visionary glasses, the best is yet to come!

Name: Ms. Eye Opener

email: to Editor

Message: W-W-J probably won't be back for months, if ever, at least to post. I imagine you just did apologize. BTW, W-W-J's demise was going out of character. That little tale about the girl in the E.R. is supposedly true and he got bent out of shape talking about it. He lost his mask, he lost his mind. Besides, I think he's spending his spare hours with this fluzie with much too much silicone that obviously leaked from her Z-cups into her brainpan. Don't get me started

Anyway, we here at the W-W-J Defense Forum of Washington D.C. are going out to drink and listen to some R&B in Arlington, VA. Usually, we'd be in Dewey Beach, Deleware with the rest of our beach house, 10,000 other drunken yuppies, and at least one Elvis impersonator, but I have family comming in and W-W-J, well, I don't know, he may be in Dewey.

Name: Robert Schatz

email: engraved@rocketmail.com

Message: Ms. Clinton is the best shot that New York has to end the Giulianni (Ghouliani) dictatorship and put him in his place. Are there any voluntary campaign opportunities? I live in NYC, and have extensive campaign experience.

Name: Editor to Ms. Eye Opener

email: Regarding W-W-J

Message: I'm wondering.... so what if W-W-J went out of character? We all lose our minds on this forum, why should he be different? Why can't he accept being just like the rest of us imperfect beings? Even Zippy the Perfect Slug lost his cool one time!

This forum has always been a place where, regardless of the clashes and the name calling which gets pretty bad sometimes, and regardless of how surreal and crazy, there is something which binds us together in spite of everything. That something is love a secret ingredient that you cannot find in any other forum. This forum is like a large family whose members are constantly clashing with one another, yet there remains an underlying bond.

Tell W-W-J that we still love him and would like him to come back soon.

Name: Rudy is King!

email: to Robert Schatz

Message: Ms. Clinton is the best shot that New York has to end the Giulianni (Ghouliani) dictatorship and put him in his place.

I remember what it was like in New York before Rudie took the helm. It was filthy and overrun with squeegy people who would bust your windshield or tear off your rear-view mirror if you didn't cough up some bucks while they dragged greasy rags across your windshield. Now its much safer to walk the streets and the City now has a feeling of real culture, rather than just garbage fluttering through the streets. Being a Democrat, however, I suppose you preferred the crime and non-existent services under Dinkins, who worked harder on his tennis game than on the city's problems.

Are there any voluntary campaign opportunities?

I suspect you mean volunteer, not voluntary.

Name: Democrat to Rudy is King!

email:

Message: If Hillary was running against Rudy for mayor of New York I would vote for Rudy. It's important for me, and most other people to live in safety. Anyone who can bring the crime down has my vote. I would do without a lot of perks in exchange for peace.

But Hillary is not running for mayor of New York, and Rudy's talent and expertise in fighting street crime may not translate to fighting the crimes arising from many of our politically and morally bankrupt leaders on Capitol Hill. Nor may he have the vision or the ability to understand what it takes to be a world leader. Like it or not, anyone we send to Washington cannot isolate himself or herself from the rest of the world. We are a global economy and as such we need the mental equipment and practical experience to know how to operate in that world. Does Rudy have it? We don't know, but we do know that Hillary clearly does.

So my suggestion is that Rudy stay in New York and save the lives of thousands of New Yorkers, while Hillary goes to Washington to save the lives of our children, our elderly, the bankruptcy laws, fighting the HMOs, reforming our schools, and much more. This way both constituencies are well served.

Name: Editor to all

email:

Message: The ControlGirl on the forum last night was NOT ControlGirl. I have a confession and I know for sure.

When we design our new forum you will have a CHOICE of registering your moniker so whenever you come into the forum your passcode brings up your registered moniker. That way nobody can steal it. You can also be anonymous by using another moniker, so you can have the best of both worlds.

We always want this forum to offer an anonymous opportunity to express yourself freely. Personally I'd hate to be nailed to the cross for everything I have written on this forum. You can suspect it was me, but never be sure, and that's the way we would like to keep it.

But don't expect that change real soon.

Name: Elizabeth Hamby

email: eliza@cruzio.com

Message: Hi, I just wanted to say that Hillary your my hero! I wanted to wish you the very best in running for senator; however why not run for PRESIDENT!! Why is it that the men in this country are so opposed to having a female president? I think they're afraid that we'er smarter! ha! Anyway, I have such deep respect for you and think that your husband has done a fine job. May you have continued success health and happiness! My thoughts and prayers are with you. You go girl! Sincerely, Elizabeth Hamby

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email: sungold@satyam.net.in

Message: thank you verymuch for giving us this facility .we heard alot about your intelligence,love,humanity ,wisdom.....please save us from mad,wicked,cheat pakistan army who are always make troubles the caim saint peace loving india please do whatever you can thank you...god will keep you and your country UP ....for the peace loving people of India&pakistan by an indian

Name: JG to ET

email:

Message: Your password choice sounds like a good compromise.

Name: Last Visible Dog to Robert Schatz

email:

Message:

Ms. Clinton is the best shot that New York has to end the Giulianni (Ghouliani) dictatorship and put him in his place. Are there any voluntary campaign opportunities? I live in NYC, and have extensive campaign experience.

I will be as nice possible in my retort. This liberal poster obviously does not understand much about our system of government. First, Giuliani only has one "n" in it (not being able to spell his name makes your play on the spelling of his name look pretty foolish). Second, while most see Giuliani as the savior of New York City (under his direction crime is way down and the city has been dramatically cleaned) but if you want to call him a dictator - the best he could be is dictator of New York City (he is the Mayor of New York City and therefore has no authority over anything outside of New York City). Third and most important, Hillary and Giuliani are likely going to run for the Senate - a Senator represents a state in the Congress (federal government). A Senator DOES NOT control a state or even have ANY authority over a State - State government and federal government are completely separate (by design). Therefore, a Senator COULD NOT be a dictator over a state because a Senator DOES NOT have any authority over the state. The state government of New York is setup is such a way that a dictator would be IMPOSIBLE.

If you want to support Hillary for Senate - DANDY - but stick to reality in your support. You reason for supporting Hillary is ludicrous, completely factually incorrect, and intellectually null and void.

Why can't Hillary supporters use her RECORD as support for her candidacy (maybe because she has little to no experience or record because she has NEVER held elected office and what government experience she does have (Hillary Heath Care) was a dismal failure)? Hillary supporters - I know you have a tough to nearly impossible job but you will be better served if you still to reality.

-LVD

Name: Last Visible Dog to "Democrat"

email:

Message:

But Hillary is not running for mayor of New York, and Rudy's talent and expertise in fighting street crime may not translate to fighting the crimes arising from many of our politically and morally bankrupt leaders on Capitol Hill.

Robert take note - this is logically coherent support for Hillary - there is nothing factually incorrect in this statement. This is my point - support Hillary if you must, but stick to reality in your support.

Nor may he have the vision or the ability to understand what it takes to be a world leader.

Flowery language but a Senator is NOT a world leader. This kinda points out the flow in the Hillary candidacy. Hillary wants to be a world leader and really does not care about the issues of New York State - it looks like she is using the people of New York by hoping to use their Senate seat as a stepping stone for her assault on the presidency. Hillary will gain a lot if she is elected Senator - New York will gain nothing except a lot of reporters during the election (just what they need!). Robert take note - while I disagree with this position there is nothing factually incorrect about it.

-LVD

Name: LVD To Editor

email:

Message:

The ControlGirl on the forum last night was NOT ControlGirl. I have a confession from somebody and I know for sure.

Are you confessing that you were impersonating Control Girl?

Name: Last Visible Dog to Elizabeth Hamby

email:

Message:

Why is it that the men in this country are so opposed to having a female president?

What gives you this idea? I see no supporting evidence. Has there been a courageous female that ran for president that all these "evil" men refused to support? (don't think so). Liddy Dole is the FIRST viable female presidency candidate (BTW - she is a Republican. Democrats talk the talk - Republican walk the walk)(BTW - who appointed the first female to the Supreme Court - RIGHT AGAIN, a Republican - Ronald "the man" Reagan). Anyway - I think this statement is liberal propaganda that does not have any support in real life.

-LVD

Name: Why don't we have politicians like this?

email: eron@ncar.ucar.edu

Message: A History Lesson for the Fourth
This puts modern politicking into perspective.

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army. One had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters.

He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.

Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for granted ... We shouldn't.

So, take a couple of minutes while enjoying your Fourth of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid.

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!!

Name: Impersonator

email:

Message: I was Control Girl and I am so sorry I used her name. LVD you can go on and on; and attack every one's messages, so I wanted to teach you a lesson, which I regret backfired. LVD relax, don't lose your cool. It wasn't the editor. It was me. I meant no harm and you are not evil but an patriotic person, who is entitled to his say. Even tho you do get carried away at times. That is perfectly okay with me. But be sweet to everyone, especially the editor who I happen know, deep down respects you and likes your opinions.

Name: Wall Streeter

email:

Message: To Impesonator,
Shouldn't that be "shove them" instead of "shove it"?
But thanks so much for adding to the discourse in such an itelligent fashion!

Name: Impersonator

email:

Message: To WallStreeter. Okay, whatever you say, but it is kinda of early to have dumb polls influencing voters. I am not always so intelligent. But repeating something so dumb twice, got to me.

Name: Wall Streeter

email:

Message: To Impersonator,
Fairly said. Now what did you think of the Agassi match today? He dumped the two-timer and got his game back. Perhaps Hillary should re-think her drink!

Name: gulS rednoW eht yppiZ

email:

Message:

?dnuora draobyek ym denrut taht yugesiw eht s'ohw ,KO

Name: Impersonator

email:

Message: To Wall Streeter. What does Agassi have to do with Hillary? You are mixing sports with politics. I can't see any connection.

Name: Impersonator

email:

Message: Zippy, I hope you don't drive like you spell!

Name: J

email:

Message: Leave YOUR message? Leave your message? Okay, here is my message. What is more important in a marriage trust or fidelity? Or are they the same thing? How does one deal with a lack of trust in a marriage? Is fidelity the same thing? Exactly WHAT IS a mistress? Must it be a person? Or can it be a separate existence? An entity that is a lie? Must it attack the partner to constitute a violation of the oneness of marriage? Or can it simply exist in a world that is a lie? Are all parallel worlds in a marriage about which one partner does not know and the other does lies? Or only those that are sins of omission? Is a sin of omission as bad as a lie? Who decides what makes a good marriage? Who decides when one partner has committed a sin large enough for it to be a violation of the marriage vows? When you swear to love, honor and obey, is it an honor to have such complete lack of regard for the other person that you have a world unto itself in which the other partner actually CANNOT exist? Why would you want to be married to someone if you felt the need to create a parallel universe in which the other person not only does not exist, but cannot exist? And why do I cry all the time since I've come to suspect this? Tell me why?

Name: Editor to Impersonator

email:

Message: You're a terrific person, Impersonator, even though you are a moniker-stealer. I appreciate what you said. Thanks.

P.S. I won't be here tomorrow (Sunday) so if the "Editor" comes on board it ain't me!

Name: My Opinion for "J"

email:

Message:

"And why do I cry all the time since I've come to suspect this? Tell me why? "

Name: Rebooblican

email: Aint America Great!

Message: :

Name: ControlGirl

email:

Message: In looking over the Drudge Report this morning, July 4, 1999, on this anniversary of our great nation I see the election heating up in the usual manner. Mr. Bush, Republican candidate for President of the United States, is being initiated into the election process in the usual manner. The first place the opposition looks is at military and college records and in one fell swoop, Mr. Bush's entire youth is being questioned because he was a Bush and the son of a prominent leader.

Now let's just look at the facts here. How was Mr. Bush supposed to get around being the son of the President, or if not yet the President, then the son of a prominent family? Does one really, honestly think that dad has to call up the military in order for his son to receive preferential treatment? Does one not think that just because he is a Bush, that the powers that be would be more likely to simply watch him. As he is a person who is different from the other recruits Bush simply does not share their natural privacy that occurs when one is NOT the member of a prominent family? Perhaps the Washington Post could bother to report the whole story, instead of just bits and pieces arranged in the most incriminating style possible. But wait! No, that would not be the way American elections work would it? The press has to make us wade through tons and tons of the most incriminating garbage possible to get to the truth.

After the incriminating headline, the report goes on, buried in the body of the story (in the usual tradition of the press) to say that, maybe, just maybe, Mr. Bush might have shown promise as a pilot on his own.

...and the election is underway, I think I'll go take a nap until January 2001. Does anyone know where I can get a subscription to an election coverage journal that will address the facts only? Ha ha...yeah I knew it. It's published on Venus at an outrageous cost that not even Ross Perot (I hope he can manage to keep his pointy little head out of this election to prevent the total skewing of the results like he did when Clinton got re-elected. Surely the American People won't fall for that trick TWICE, if he tries it!) could afford and not available for shipping to citizens of planet earth. Oh well, *yawn* like I said about that nap...

Name: J

email:

Message:

Name: J

email:

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Name: Peggy J. LeVrier

email: pjlevrier@mail.esc4.com

Message: Hillary, I am hoping for a complete landslide victory in New York for you and the New Yorkers! Our country needs the expertise and senstivity of your good judgement! Peggy Peggy's Positive Parenting

Name:

email:

Message:

WOW! Was that a HOT July 4th?

Name: Charles

email: AIT2000@aol.com

Message: Dear Mrs. First Lady, Please put all this nonsence about carpetbaging to rest. Please find time to remind people that another great Democrat, Robert F. Kennedy, held office as Senator from the great state of New York. Mr. Kennedy was born on Nov. 20th 1925 in Brookline, Mass. Grew up in Massachusetts and only took residence in New York in order to qualify for his senate run. He went to the University of Virginia and spent most of his professional life in Washington. I believe that this posturing by New York politicians is an insult to intelligent New York citizens. You must shut them up on this. The New York Mayor is getting too much milage out of this and it is getting old. Robert Kennedy was a great New York Senator. Most New Yorkers have forgotten and Mayor G. will not remind them!!! I think you will be an excellent Senator for us in New York. I also believe that the Mayor of New York knows little about the issues of upstate New York.

Name: Charles

email: AIT2000@aol.com

Message: Dear Mrs. Frist Lady, I believe you would be an excellent Senator for New York. Please relize that the Mayor of New York knows little about upstate urban and sburban issues. He knows little about the Bronx. How can he represent the people of cities on the border with Canada? After all he has never lived or worked there! How can he represent New York farmers? He has never seen a farm. I have lived in New York City, the northern suburbs as well as "upstate". I know what I am talking about and I have a keen sence of what people want and are thinking. I would glady put in my time to help you in what I hope will be your Senate run.

Name: ControlGirl

email:

Message: I am blessed to live near one of our nation's great resources. The Wildlife Refuge is one of the few ways that we give back to nature on it's own terms. I like to drive through the Refuge several times a week. I often see deer, snakes, birds, turtles, alligators, armadillos, opossum, fish, bobcat, fox, and occasional other creatures. I never cease to be amazed at the awe I feel at these beautiful animals simple needs to survive in life. This morning I drove through the Refuge on my way back from that all important 4th of July purchase: Fireworks. As soon as I entered the Refuge I was treated to the sight of a doe and her fawn grazing in a luscious green pasture. Upon seeing my big green truck, they both darted for the nearby woods. It caused me to think of the simple rules with which animals in nature rear their young. Not so different rules would bode well for humans. The doe darted for the woods and the fawn followed instantaneously. Humans would do well to remember this simple rule in wondering how to cure our culture of violence that is the generation of children that we are seeing now. It really isn't all that hard. These children became violent by seeing violence. Those who see it from their parents are most likely to become violent. They do as the little fawn following the doe into the woods to escape perceived danger. But children also learn from all of us. Today's technological society exposes children to the influence of more people than ever before. It really does take a whole village to raise a child, whether we like it or not. And the village in today's world has a huge population. Do you conduct yourself in a manner that you would like to see the adults of tomorrow emulate?

Name: Early in the day...at the Kluges...

email: KlugePeople@LoveNest.Com (*barf*)

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Name: The Taliban Gives a Little

email: Thank God for Liberals!

Message: Liberal Gains in Kuwaiti Vote Favor Women

KUWAIT - A landmark effort to extending voting rights to Kuwaiti women won a boost yesterday as the results of elections on Saturday showed gains by liberal candidates who will form a substantial bloc in the Persian Gulf's only elected parliament.

Amond its 50 members, the liberal or liberal-leaning deputies will hold 14 seats, up from four in the parliament that was dissolved in May. Most are expected to back an emri decree that would allow women to vote and hold office beginning in 2003. Their support, along with that of pro-government candidates, probably will be enough to override Islamic opposition to the edict.

But Kuwaiti analysts and Western deplomats said a victory for women's rights is not yet guaranteed. The idea of political rights for women is still controversial in Kuwait, and even liberals who favor the idea may prefer to score points by standing up to the royally appointed government.

Name: What do you think?

email:

Message: Looking for the Light Forum: (Originally The Hillary Cinton Debate Forum) A Non-Partisan Forum Dedicated to the
Search for the Truth about American
Politics, Society and Culture through
Discussion and Debate

Name: What do you think?

email:

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Name: Sebrin Siraj

email: The Ten Commandments

Message: I challenge the House to live up to 70% of the Ten Commandments before they impose it on the public.

First, doing so may help them understand the relationship between legislating morality and living an ethical life. Secondly, they may also realize the proliferation of billboards, notice boards, TV and telephone polls with slogans. A warning on the Ten Commandments is never the equal of lessons learned and habits formed as a result of sober discussions on lasting values.

Name:

email:

Message: People become conservatives when they cannot change fast enough to keep up with the liberals!

Name: LIBERAL SECRETS REVEALED

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Message: I agree. People become Conservatives when Liberals leave them in the past. Conservatives can't help being who they are, and must conjure up grandiose illusions of moral superiority to mask their limitations. Liberals can see right through Conservatives, but Conservatives cannot even see where the Liberal is coming from, or going to.

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Message: We need MORE LOVE on this forum.
"Love they neighbor as thyself."
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Name: On Love and God

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Message: People see God every day, they just don't recognize him. Love is the only prayer. Only through love can we attain to communion with God. God is a verb, not a noun.

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Name: ControlGirl to Richard

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Message: No Richard I am not vapid. That is one who is shallow and lacking in thought. If anything I have too much thought. That is why I am a Liberal and not a Conservative who blindly follows Rush Limbaugh and other arrogant, pompous, egotistical male chauvinist pigs incapable of tolerance.

I always was a Liberal, I just got lost in my early 30's while someone else was finding himself. It is a common problem among American women who spend much of their lives fighting the "shoulds" of society in a way that a man cannot and will not ever understand. The same rules do not apply to men and women in this world. A woman has to struggle much, much harder to find her breath of air at the surface. Look at how much longer men have had the vote in this country than have women. Look at how much longer men have had the right to own land. Slavery was not a female problem I hope you know. Women did not have the right to own property of her own without the specific permission of her father or husband in those days. Look at how recently there were actually laws on the books allowing a man to beat his wife with a switch no larger than his thumb. Yeah that was protection for women. Man had the right to abuse and disfigure his wife to his content, just not to kill her. That would not have been good for the family. Then who would have done the cooking and cleaning.

No, Richard when you quote your pat sayings about Liberals and Conservatives you are looking at the differences akin to two different planets when you discuss women and men. Don't settle into Conservatism in your 30's as though it is somehow a rite of passage into the leisure of old age. The only thing staunch Conservatism is good for is developing a moldy gray matter between your ears.

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Message: "Women have to do everything ten times better than men to gain the same advantages in this world. Fortunately, that's not difficult." ~Author Unknown

(That's a joke son...a joke I said. ~Foghorn Leghorn)

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Susan B. Anthony was a radical feminist, standing for women at a time when they were not allowed to vote. She viewed abortion as a means of exploiting both women and children:

"I deplore the horrible crime of child murder ... No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed ...but oh! Thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime."

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Message: Do not be deceived; God is not mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
--Galatians 6:7

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Message: Conservatives hate change. Some fear it so much they want to turn back the clock. Return the the "good old days" when blacks sat at the back of the bus, women died in childbirth, penicilin was not invented, and men were men. Yeah!

The above is more cliche, ignorant hate speech from some leftist loony. No conservative would say such ignorant nonsense.

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Good-bye Conservatives. I'm leaving the fold.

Judging by your messages - I DO NOT believe you were ever really a conservative (seems like you were always a liberal in denial). Well, I am happy for you - it is good for one to be honest with one's self.

(Not to mention - we have far too many bipolar loonies as it is, getting rid of a few is a big plus)

:-)

-LVD (the real one)

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Why do people post using my moniker?

There is nothing really weird about the Ten Commandments message attributed to me - except for the fact that I do not post it. It is kinda weird.

-LVD

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I agree. People become Conservatives when Liberals leave them in the past. Conservatives can't help being who they are, and must conjure up grandiose illusions of moral superiority to mask their limitations. Liberals can see right through Conservatives, but Conservatives cannot even see where the Liberal is coming from, or going to.

I have one question - why are liberals so obsessed with describing conservatives and reading their minds? I rarely see liberals post messages on anything other than their interpretations of what they think conservatives really think (which is basically meaningless drivel to stoke their egos)

I was a liberal and intellectual awakening turned me conservative (sometimes a bit more libertarian then conservative). You liberal are really are good at ad hominem attacks - but let me reiterate one thing: I have only encountered one liberal that could intellectually defend their positions (and he was a citizen of the UK). If you liberals want to fill this forum up with your interpretations of the thoughts of conservatives and your unsupported ad hominem attacks - and I can do little about it. But if any of you liberals want to try and intellectually defend your "views" (more like knee-jerk reactions) - I will be more than happy to make intellectual mincemeat of you (figuratively speaking). If you wish to just continue your ad hominem attacks - I guess you got me, there is little I can do.

(liberals - what am I thinking right now?)

-LVD

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Message: "(liberals - what am I thinking right now?)"

Oh, that's and e-a-s-y one, LVD -- S*E*X

Did I get it right?

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Message: Hey, that's what I was thinking about

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Message: I am not and never was BiPolar. Aside from the fact that I am a human being, not any psychiatric diagnosis, many individuals afflicted with BiPolar Disorder have difficulties with psychotic episodes, something I feel priveleged to have never experienced. Individuals with BiPolar Disorder are some of the luckier ones however, LVD, in the realm of psychiatric illnesses, since BiPolar Disorder is a strictly chemical disorder which is rather easily controlled with medication provided one is able to take the medication. Individuals who are afflicted with BiPolar Disorder, LVD, are not loonies and have no more control over the fact that they have this illness than do diabetics or epileptics. BiPolar Disorder is a physical illness that manifests itself in the mood center of the brain with symptomology involving the affect of an individual, thus it's treatment by a psychiatrist. Many individuals that are diagnosed with BiPolar disorder are also afflicted with such because of an irregularity in the EEG (a measure of brain waves) and as such also require the joint care of a neurologist. My best friend, however, LVD, is diagnosed with BiPolar Disorder. She is currently working on her Ph.D. and has worked for many years helping individuals write grants to help children who must live outside of their home because of abuse and/or neglect. She is a very intelligent woman and nowhere in her life does she appear to be a loony. She is a well-respected member of the work force. I also have a friend who is an M.D. and has a diagnosis of BiPolar Disorder. She is a very competent professional to whom I have never had a problem entrusting my health care. She is also a excellent wife and mother to her family and has always appeared to me to balance the difficult roles that every working mother faces extremely well.

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"Judging by your messages - I DO NOT believe you were ever really a conservative..."

It's the judging part I had a problem with in the first place LVD, so that really isn't that surprising that you would feel that way.

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Message: Conservatives - Do you really support that picture "How to Build a Bomb"

When I think of Conservatives I always see that image and am in awe as to your "intellectual awakening." What do we pea-brained, pagan Liberals know about God and the workings of the Universe.

We await your enlightenment. Let's discuss these one by one:
1. There are no absolutes
Conservatives are right - There are absolutely absolutes
2. Life is an accident.
Conservatives are right again - every person born on this earth was planned.
3. People are evolved animals.
Right again conservatives - People are animals that are not yet evolved.
4. Millions of years of violence, suffering....brought humans into existence.
Right again - Millions of humans still bring violence and suffering into existence.
5. There is no God.
Right again - God is within.
6. The Bible is not true
Right again - absolutely every word is true.
7. If you remove the Bible, prayer and the Ten Commandments from school it will blow up!
Right again - All the schools in non-Christian countries are going to blow up.

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Message: What do we pea-brained, pagan Liberals know about God and the workings of the Universe.

You have created "God" in your own image, to your own liking - an IDOL, a counterfeit. God's revelation (not your petty, self centered "internal" "god") has been made and some people have chosen to reject it. "You shall know them by their fruit." The fruit of liberalism (again, the petty "internal" "god"): contempt for God's revelation displayed by hedonistic priorities such as abortion and devotion to certain political leaders at the expense of moral standards and principles. The message of the "How to build a bomb" cartoon is clear, your "internal god" is one confused, sick puppy.

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Message: Hillary Signed Exploratory Papers Today!

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Hillary Clinton readies N.Y. launch

HILLARY CLINTON filed papers Tuesday with the Federal Election Commission in Washington establishing an exploratory committee for a Senate run. That will allow her to raise and spend money for a Senate race.

The first lady, who has visited the state frequently in the past few months, will officially kick off her exploratory campaign Wednesday. The first stop in what aides are describing as a summer-long “listening tour” — is Moynihan’s farm near Oneonta, where he is expected to offer encouraging words.

“The listening tour will put her face-to-face with New Yorkers in small settings,” said Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for Hillary Clinton’s political organizations.

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Message: A Nony Mouse. -- You know not of what you speak. God's ways are far beyond what you could ever know. Get a life, some wisdom, and a LOT of humility.

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Message: So let's make some money on this. Who is Hillary's favorite disigner. I am sure her outfits will bet more press than her words once she starts her campaign.

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Message: Go back to Arkansa Hillary and sell used cars something you and your husband could probably do quiet well at. New Yorkers aren't dumb enough to vote for you or your husband. This country has had enough of the Clintons and there bull. We dont need people like this running this country.

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Message: Hillary Clinton is beginning her campaign. I am sure she is braced for the personal attacks that infiltrate American political elections, perpetuated primarily by the media. I do not agree with anyone seeking public office outside of their area of primary residence, however I do think it is admirable that she is beginning her campaign with a "listening" tour.

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"You have created "God" in your own image, to your own liking - an IDOL, a counterfeit."

God, religion, whatever you want to call it is a personal decision. It is only logical that every thinking person on this Earth who has given thought to establishing a Personal Decision about God and what that means to them would have created God to their own liking. God is far too abstract a concept to make him or her susceptible to being conveyed as a constant in the limited abilities of the human mind.

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Message: STAY THE HELL OUT OF NEW YORK- WE DONT WANT YOU HERE! You have no business here, and no knowledge of our great state. so STAY OUT! We dont need you SCREWING up NY like you, Billy boy, and OL AL an tipper so wonderfully done to the rest of the country. NO THANKS. Go run in ARKANSAS where you belong you MORON

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Message: STAY THE HELL OUT OF NEW YORK- WE DONT WANT YOU HERE! You have no business here, and no knowledge of our great state. so STAY OUT! We dont need you SCREWING up NY like you, Billy boy, and OL AL an tipper so wonderfully done to the rest of the country. NO THANKS. Go run in ARKANSAS where you belong you MORON

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Oh, that's and e-a-s-y one, LVD -- S*E*X
Did I get it right?

Damn - you are good!

-LVD

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I am not and never was BiPolar…many individuals afflicted with BiPolar Disorder have difficulties with psychotic episodes…

Jeepers, Control Girl - I was kidding around. That is what the smiley face means!

Well - it looks like your conversion from conservative to liberal is complete now that you have completely jettisoned your sense of humor.

-LVD

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It's the judging part I had a problem with in the first place LVD, so that really isn't that surprising that you would feel that way.

That's a pretty wacky statement - how do you exist without judging? Judging examples: How soon should I put on the brakes - Is it a good idea to have 3 Martinis with lunch - Is that dog vicious - Are the politicians telling the truth. Without "judging" - you become a mere follower that blinding accepts and believes everything your leader/master tells you. If you remove the ability to judge than you become an intellectual neuter - you are incapable of deductive reasoning because you must "judge" to be deductive or to reason at all. In robotics judgement has been the most illusive attribute and because of this many believe that judgement is the single attribute that separates thinking and non-thinking entities.

-LVD

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Message: The Bill of No Rights

We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal, bedwetters.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of No Rights.

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You don't have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat.

ARTICLE IX: You don't have the right to a job. All of us sure want all of you to have one, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.

ARTICLE X: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness -- which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

Name: Last Visible Dog to Liberal

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Conservatives - Do you really support that picture "How to Build a Bomb"

No, not really. I see its point though (I think that is only ONE of the reasons for out societal decay and our current violent, disregard for the sanctity of human life zeitgeist.

When I think of Conservatives I always see that image and am in awe as to your "intellectual awakening." What do we pea-brained, pagan Liberals know about God and the workings of the Universe.

Is this statement weird or what? Can liberals post messages without insults? If they are not insulting conservatives with ad hominem attacks, they are insulting themselves (in an obvious bit of weird reverse psychology). Liberals, can you post without ANY ad hominem insults?

BTW - my "intellectual awakening" had nothing, per se, to do with God. Being conservative in not necessarily connected with a belief in God. But since you liberals are obsessed with religion - I am currently an agnostic - I grew up Methodist and converted to Latter Day Saint for a short time about 13 years ago (two very attractive female missionaries were instrumental in my short-lived Mormon phase).

We await your enlightenment. Let's discuss these one by one:

OK - fire away (figuratively speaking)

1. There are no absolutes
Conservatives are right - There are absolutely absolutes

Could you elaborate on this point - it seem rather, shall I say, pointless?

2. Life is an accident.
Conservatives are right again - every person born on this earth was planned.

Do you actually consider this an intellectual response? Planned is not the necessary opposite of accidental. When two people share carnal knowledge - they are participating in THE activity that creates babies so when someone becomes pregnant after having sex it is really had to call it an accident. Not to mention you are missing the point - the statement "life is an accident" is referring to hard-line, Darwinist extremists who believe there is absolutely no order to the universe and that everything necessarily was an accident - this is the cosmological theory of happenstance (what created the universe - it just happen!).

3. People are evolved animals.
Right again conservatives - People are animals that are not yet evolved.

This response is beyond me - I have not idea what you are trying to say.

4. Millions of years of violence, suffering....brought humans into existence.
Right again - Millions of humans still bring violence and suffering into existence.

Say what? Who are these millions of people bring violence and suffering?

5. There is no God.
Right again - God is within.

That statement makes absolutely no sense - it is illogical. If there is no God, how could it be within (how can a nonexistent thing be anywhere?).

6. The Bible is not true
Right again - absolutely every word is true.

Wouldn't that be - False?
Let me guess - anti-Christian sarcasm. To quote our beloved weasel boy POTUS - "it all depends on the meaning of the word "true".

7. If you remove the Bible, prayer and the Ten Commandments from school it will blow up!
Right again - All the schools in non-Christian countries are going to blow up.

Open your mind my Liberal friend - IMHO this statement refers to spirituality (the idea that the individual is NOT the center of the universe). This country is something like 80%+ Christian so that is our spiritual focus - but take any other country and suck their spirituality (whatever it may be) out of the schools and the result would be the same. Russia was one of the few countries that actually outlawed God or any form of spirituality - the country rotted from the inside out and collapsed in on it's self. The proof is in the pudding so to speak.

-LVD

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hedonistic priorities such as abortion

I think "a nony mouse" nailed this one - abortion is the height of hedonism (and somewhat similar to pedophilia, the abuse of children)

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Message: Dear Hillary, Since you are an activest for health care which is greatly needed in our country I am writing today to ask for your sponsorship in The American Cancer Society Relay for Life. Our team will be walking in the Relay on July 16, 1999 and would appreciate your donation made payable to AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY and mailed to me Linda Sulser 1637 F Street Eureka, CA 95501 Thank you and Good Luck in your future. We support you!!! Thanks, Linda Sulser

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A Nony Mouse. -- You know not of what you speak. God's ways are far beyond what you could ever know. Get a life, some wisdom, and a LOT of humility.

Look out - the liberals are trying to read people's minds again. The clairvoyant Liberals! This liberal claims to know exactly what "a nony mouse" is thinking (that would be necessary to draw that conclusion). Liberal - nobody really knows the "truth" about God (not you or "a nony mouse") so I think you are mistaken when you speak in absolute terms about God - that is YOUR opinion of God and "a nony mouse" presented their opinion of God. I can say this, Liberal - your definition of God (being contrary to what "a nony mouse" said) is NOT supported by the traditions and dogma of Judaism or Christianity.

Get a life, some wisdom, and a LOT of humility.

From this statement, I can see you know a lot about humility - NOT!

BTW - what is a bloody "nony mouse"

-LVD

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Hillary Clinton is beginning her campaign. I am sure she is braced for the personal attacks that infiltrate American political elections

Translation - Hillary will be asked questions about her record

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MONDAY, JULY 05, 1999 21:59:08 ET XXXXX

HOLLYWOOD REJECTS HILLARY MOVIE

**Exclusive**

After serious consideration, America's major TV networks have taken a pass on making a movie on the life of Hillary Rodham Clinton, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The project, based on David Brock's book THE SEDUCTION OF HILLARY RODHAM, was shopped to the majors -- with actress Susan Sarandon, at one point, expressing interest in the title role!

CBS-TV passed on the project after one detailed pitch meeting last year, according to sources.

[It was believed that CBS president Les Moonves' close relationship with the Clintons was at conflict.]

The pitch quickly moved to ABC, where, after a series of meetings, things looked like a possible go.

Actress Holly Hunter was even considered a runner-up to play Hillary Clinton if Sarandon became unavailable for the project, proposed as a possible mini-series.

But ABC also ended up cooling on the idea of making a movie on the life of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Several negative factors were working against the project:

*The perception that political movies turn audiences off [BULWORTH, PRIMARY COLORS].

*The controversy of developing a movie based on the first lady of the United States while she is still living in the White House.

But in Hollywood, what is down one season -- turns up the next.

As the nation's media is hopelessly addicted to covering Hillary's campaign run for the U.S. Senate [two front page stories on HRC in the WASHINGTON POST in the past 4 days; magazine covers; Sunday morning shows reaching complete saturation on the topic] -- new interest in the Hillary movie could follow.

["Hillary should play herself... she would be terrific," said one network executive recently.]

X X X X X

Name: Last Visible Dog to ControlGirl

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God, religion, whatever you want to call it is a personal decision.

I most disagree with this statement - if God does exist and he is the God of Christianity (or some other religions) you are completely wrong and you'd better start preparing for a long existence in a very warm place - I am not saying this is the case, just that your absolute statement is not supportable (you may be correct but then again you could be wrong).

-LVD

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make that - I must disagree!

Name: ControlGirl to LVD

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"Judging by your messages - I DO NOT believe you were ever really a conservative..."

Point well taken in your reply LVD. Perhaps it is the judging coupled with the word your to which I find objection. All of the examples you used in your follow-up reply had strictly to do with decisions about you . I find it terribly tiring to contemplate how many people have so many judgements to make about me . I am a very private person who has made a personal decision to live in an isolated location. I make very few judgements about others. Truly I don't. I wish the world would return the favor. I realize this is not the way the world works, but I can wish.

In regard to your smiley about the BiPolar Disorder statement, I would not have in this manner to your statement were it not for all of the derogatory remarks you made toward me last week with regard to BiPolar Disorder. I saw the smiley, however questioned your sincerity with regard to the symbol in view of the number of offensive attacks you made toward me last week using the same terminology.

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..."if God does exist and he is the God of Christianity (or some other religions)"...

It is not my belief that God and religion have anything to do with one another. I believe God is everything and because it is everything it is also nothing. God is relevant and irrelevant, full and empty, whole and part. God is an unimaginable entity which our mere mortal minds, worthy as we may try to make them, are utterly and totally incapable of understanding, let alone quantifying. The assumption, of course, is that this is what God is to me. I have complete and full respect for God because of its complete totality in the Universe. I also have complete and total respect for you to believe whatever about God that makes you feel comfortable and at ease with this concept. I also have a very difficult time believing in the concept of heaven and hell, however, I accept that this may be because of the limitations which my mere mortal mind must deal with in it's very limited capability to understand anything in the Universe.

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Oh, that's and e-a-s-y one, LVD -- S*E*X
Did I get it right?

Damn - you are good!

-LVD

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Name: Dr. Karl Esmark

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Message: I cannot wait to vote in the NY Senate race. It is hard to imagine how Mrs. Clinton holds any hope of winning. As for me and my house we will serve God and country by voting against any Clinton foolish enough to keep playing these horrible political games.

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Message: I think we have had enough innocent children,s lives taken, and 8 years of morally impared years of Clintons in the White House, we damn sure don't need any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!; so Hillery DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT RUNNING FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC OFFICE, ESPECIALLY, THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please leave that job to someone that won't further disgrace our Great Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Name: Ernesto Davila Gonzalez

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Message: According to the "Treaty of Paris" the sovereignty of the real puertorrican nation is in the hands of the congress since 1898. What this really meant was that the nationality of the puertorricans was going to be broken by means of an anthropologic and an evolution process that will carry us back to our genetic origin which is precisely "God" the primitive man.This was going to be possible by means of the manipulation of the aesthetic sense of the population and the consequent mix of races, castes and nationalities. A new American Nation is suppose to emerge from Puerto Rico and Cuba.You can not create a Nation without a Monarchy.I am a "Taino" native american and because of that I am the real american nation. I am The King of the American Kindom.

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