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HILLARY WILL HAND GIULIANI HIS HEAD IN LANDSLIDE VICTORY! -- POOR GUY IS NO MATCH AGAINST "SEXIEST WOMAN ALIVE"

Message: You, know, the other night I had the Tipper Gore over for dinner and a cocktail (My cock, her tail), but she just wasn't into it. Something about a new image of morality and family values they want to portray. She said I was a pig and a liar! LIAR!!! How dare she that...that...that Mrs-I-invented-the-internet-and-no-controlling-authority. You think Al never bent the truth a time or two in his life. Well, anyway, I spilled the beans to ol' Tipper and told her, hey, Al really didn't grow up in Tennessee and probably couldn't find it on a map.

Definition of a Liberal is a caring person. Definition of right wingers is a rascist who is against gays blacks social security and the middle class working people. They unite and talk phoney baloney ideas with the aid of reliqous groups. This is a no no in this country. Go to Iran Pat Robertson. You too Rush, and Livingston. In fact the whole CCC should go on a journey to countries and see that politics mixed with religion does not and never will work. You are exposed CCC tough Even the Irs said you are not a tax-emempt group but a political action group. Poor Pat Robertson. Poor Dan Quayle does he need spell check. Poor Rebooblicans and poor LVD and his henchman Zippy the un wonder slug. Don't they know we are wise to these fakirs by now.

Are you for real? You spew a diatribe of slander, hate, half-truths, out-and-out lies peppered with condescension, spiced with a hint of bigotry and heaping helping of ad hominem AND personal attacks - THEN you say "I wish we could all lighten up". Bugs you do have a lot of nerve. Bugs - you seem to be the one that could liken up the most. Why don't you start by stopping your slander posts?

Geraldo vs. Rush. Ha. Which one of those fucking jokes will I die laughing at first?

Well, you'd have to have a brain to understand Rush and you'd have to have a heart to understand Geraldo, so, since it is painfully obvious that you have neither (or are determined to hide both), I guess it's a toss-up. Let us know. Soon.

Message: Give me a H "H", give me an I "I", give me a L "L", give me another L "L", give me an A "A", give me an R "R", give me a Y "Y" what does that spell, HILLARY She is gonna kick ass in NewYork. She has what it takes to turn this state around! >

Message: Let's get this straight you fucking moron. I brought up the subject of the Rush vs. Geraldo challenge currently in the fucking media and I am the one without a brain? I think it goes more like this you pompous pig. You, like most small-dicked, small-brained men don't know how the fuck to deal with an angry woman with a fucking brain???? Perhaps you feel threatened by my desire to say the word "FUCK" so often??? Well, mother fucker, I vote you get the fuck over it and get back to me when you demonstrate you have a fucking heart or brain either one. It sucks when you say I don't have either when you don't do fuck to prove you have either one!!! A brain to understand Rush? Well I just don't fucking thing so!!! I think you'd have to have a pair of leaded shoes to stay in the same room with his windy ass and as for Geraldo "the sensationalist" Rivera, you'd have to have a fucking cast iron stomach to keep from tossing your fucking cookies to stay in the same room with his LOSER, one step short of Jerry Springer, ASS!!! Get lost Zippo the Wonder (not) LUG!!! Come back when you have a fucking point to make instead of just some fucking wind to blow over your pompous ass!

Message: You're one of those EXTREME CENTRIST, I can tell. Unfortunately, you're a tad too angry for your own good. Obviously you haven't been getting your share.

If your lack of sex is due to...well, a certain lack of personal esthetics, hygiene, or if you're just a big, fat tub-o-lard, well I can recommend some paper bags, a bath, and Jenny Craig.

If you need further advise or just want to talk, I'm here for you, big momma! I love you.

Give me a H "H", give me an I "I", give me a L "L", give me another L "L", give me an A "A", give me an R "R", give me a Y "Y" what does that spell, HILLARY She is gonna kick ass in NewYork. She has what it takes to turn this state around!

Lets see - most of the statistics in New York are up - when New York City finally elected a Republican the crime rate when down and the city is no longer bankrupt (walk around Times Square - the Republican manor of New York has performed a miracle). So - Hillary is going to turn the state around…and the crime rate will go up, the state will become bankrupt, and the statistic will go down. You may be onto something.

Another thing - Hillary is running for Senator not state legislature so she will not be in position to "turn the state around". Golly, Hillary supporters are big on team spirit and short on knowledge of how the government works. A Senator represents the state in FEDERAL issues. The state legislature, governors, mayors, etc are the one's that can turn a state around. I am starting to think they should give everyone a US government test before they are allowed to vote.

Message: I'm glad that Mrs. Clinton is running for office. She is an intellegent woman with many ideas and I hope she leaves Guliani out to dry! Good luck next year!

Did the Editor actually WELCOME "goddess" to the forum and say if was good to have a strong women posting (Ed. does saying the F-word every three words make one strong?)

I still think "Goddess" in an alter ego of the Editor (as in the Editor is venting in very weird way). I bet the Editor is trying to see how everyone reacts - if I had to bet money, I would say "Goddess" is the "Editor" but it is just a hunch (No need to flame me Editor - I am just stating my opinion and I am NOT accusing you of anything). The "Snot-nose kid" statement was just too strange to be a coincidence, "Goddess" has been WAY to irate from day one - most people ramp-up, the Editor has made references to the term "Goddess" many times before, "Goddess" appeared immediately after the Editor when on a message tirade (which she deleted), the Editor got REALLY angry when I suggested that "Goddess" could be the Editor and strangely enough "Goddess" got equally angry when I suggested that "Goddess" could be the Editor (almost like they share a single brain). No conclusive evidence - just circumstantial evidence and a hunch. The best evidence is the Editor has welcomed and championed "Goddess" when the editor usually is against hate speech and constant foal language. Just a hunch.

Finally the Hillary forum is debating the REAL serious issues facing this country - like the size of Zippy's Johnson. So Goddess what would you like - all the males on the forum to do a "show and tell" - OK men, stand and deliver…..Wait, you can't see it on the internet….OK maybe I should draw a picture (does the statement "a baby's arm holding an apple" mean anything to you?)

Message: No I am not the fucking editor. She is a rat turd just like the rest of you. Fuck you Wee Willy Nutcase, Zippy the Wonder LUG, BVD and all the rest of you. I bet I have a bigger dick than either of you.

And, of course, I must be a tub of lard who is not being serviced by some horny dick just because I don't agree with/worship your lazy addicted asses. Fuck you!

Message: Your anger is worse than I thought. Perhaps I misread you for an ugly, smelly, fat angry hetero when in reality you're an ugly, smelly, fat angry lesbian. If so, I'm really, really, deeply sorry. My general advice still stands, however, especially about that vibrator.

Sweetheart, I can't help you unless you release some of that anger. I'm here for you.

It's kinda fun to analyze "Goddess" - this person doesn't make sense. "Goddess" is against everything - this is not all that rare but I don't think I have seen someone so emotional about being against everything. I still think it is the Editor doing a "scientific experiment". The problem I have is nobody starts out this emotional without something setting them off - we are supposed to believe that this "goddess" person just popped in and instantly got super emotional and started screaming the f-word at everybody on every side of every issues - along with starting personal attacks on individuals on the forum with an intensity usually reserved for people that have a long-running hate for someone. Just doesn't make sense - what is the motivation. I still say it is the Editor doing an "experiment". BTW - if you hated everything vehemently, why would you waste your time posting to the forum?

Goddess - did you call me BVD. Now you have gone too far. I have been called a nazi, a hate-filled person, a bad parent, Hitler's little brother, and I think someone once called me a "father raper" - but when you compare me to underwear, you have gotten on my bad side. Take it back or I'm telling!

Message: Did one of you have a fucking point to make in all that fucking whining? Save the psychoanalytic babble for someone who gives a flying fuck BVD. And as for you Jeffy. I think a plain and simple fuck you will suffice for you! You are obviously too stupid/horny for me to waste much breath on your fucking chubby you scut sucking ball licker!!

P.S. If you want to impress the angry Goddess big men, then find a way to get your hero to stop the killing of American soldiers in Kosovo asswipes!

P.P.S. Like I told you before BVD I post on this fucking forum because I CAN moron!!!

Message: You gotta pay attention, LVD. I welcomed Goddess on the forum as a "Kick Ass Babe" which she is.

Yep, you are right, LVD, and I'm having a good laugh, both at what Kick Ass Babe is saying and your reactions to her. She plagiarized "snot-nosed kid" from me, but that's OK, because it fits in her vocabulary.

LVD, I'll let you into a secret: Goddess aka Kick Ass Babe is actually Hillary Rodham Clinton's alter ego. Kick Ass Babe is paid $$$$MEGA-BUCKS$$$ to vent for Hillary. Can you imagine how stifling and frustrating it is for Hillary to take years of crap from the right-wingers without being able to fight back? Goddess was hired by Hillary's Dirty Tricks department to do the dirty work for Hillary.

Goddess is merely a Charlie Manson type who finally got the state to supply him/her/it with a computer. Good for (potty mouthed) comic relief but not much else. Freedom of speech is a bitch ain't it?

In case you haven't noticed I, for one, have called Clinton and NATO everything short of Satan and His Winged Army of Demons (actually I think I DID call them that once). He's a lying pig that could give James CarVILE lessons in untruthfulness (and probably did). Impressed yet or do I need to sight in my Model 700 .223 at a thousand yards and buy a bus ticket to DC? I want him out of office any way I can get him out of office. Live would be better but I'd throw one Hell of a party either way. I'd advise you to "check your targets" a little better before you shoot off your mouth next time.

You gotta pay attention, LVD. I welcomed Goddess on the forum as a "Kick Ass Babe" which she is.

Jeepers Editor are you always a day late and a dollar short - read back few messages - I said:

Did the Editor actually WELCOME "goddess" to the forum and say if was good to have a strong women posting (Ed. does saying the F-word every three words make one strong?)

I think you would be well severed if you paid a bit more attention - the question still stands, is something that says the F-word every three words considered a "kick ass babe" in you mind (if you so you are easily impressed).

Do everybody notice that the Editor and Goddess posted with about 1 minute (more support for my theory).

Really, Goddess must monitor this forum 24 hours a day - you deleted that message about 15 minutes after you posted it (more support for my hunch?)

Can you imagine how stifling and frustrating it is for Hillary to take years of crap from the right-wingers without being able to fight back?

What rock have you been hiding under? Hillary has been on a 7 years Conservative smear campaign - all she has done is "fight" - that is all she can do. Remember her bogus "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" that made up all those things about her husband - turned out Bill "weasel boy" Clinton was lying to her and America and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy was just a figment in Hillary's deluded imagination.

Editor - your forum is filling with mindless vulgar rantings and you are championing this - this is a bit of a surprise to me.

Message: Goddess is not Charlie Manson who had no sense of humor at all, and was extremely evil. Goddess is very funny in her obscene way, and she is not evil, maybe angry, or maybe just kicking you guys around for the sheer fun of it. I thought she would run out of steam after throwing a few f-words around, but she's got her wits about her.

Message: I think Goddess is BVD! Proof? Look back in these forums and you can see when BVD first came on, he called everyone FOOL and MORON!! all the time. I'll bet this is how he really talks around his house! Good joke, BVD!

Message: "I think you would be well severed if you paid a bit more attention "

Getting myself "well severed" sounds quite painful. I think I'll pass on this one.

Could you give an example? (a statement with wit) Maybe you mean Goddess has her twits about her? lips? pits? (notice I didn't say tits!) Are you really amused by messages that have the word FUCK every three words?

So - in parting and following is the direction of the Hillary forum
I bid you all a fond Fuck You and, if I don't see you tomorrow, Fuck You AND your family and the horse you rode in on.

Message: Some very intersting stats in major papers in the last couple of days.Yesterday, the LA Times reported a poll that puts Govenor Bush ahead of Mr No Controlling Legal Authority in California.In 1996,Billy Bob beat Senator Dole by 14 points in CA.So,at this moment,we have an 18 point shift in favor of the Grand Old Party! If there's a shift that's half that big in a handful of states that went to Billy Bob in '96,then on 1/20/01 America will have a Bush jamboree! The former President and First Lady along with the Govenor of Florida will be joining the Govenor of Texas as he raises his right hand and says "I,George Walker Bush, do solemnly swear.....

Message: In a Newsweek article which published exerpts from his book, Michael Isikoff connected the dots which linked up the entire VRWC. YOU are the one who is a day late and a dollar short DVL.

Getting myself "well severed" sounds quite painful. I think I'll pass on this one.

Ya gotta admit - my misused words are truly amusing - nobody misuses words like I do (and they are rarely misspelled). Sometimes I just get "happy fingers" and mix up the letters and even add a few extras - maybe it is Freudian - maybe I have repressed angry toward someone and I am plotting (in the back of my mind) to dismember and sever body parts and…..or it could just be typos.

In a Newsweek article which published exerpts from his book, Michael Isikoff connected the dots which linked up the entire VRWC.

In your dreams - what book was that(the title) (admit it you can not read)
Could you post these excepts or are you just a good Democrat Sheeple?

BTW - Hillary was wrong, it was her husband that was lying - THIS has been proven (KEEP UP!)

Message: I chopped off your head when I edited this forum.... apologies. Please write it again.

Message: Michael Isikoff's article was also on the front cover of Newsweek just after Clinton was acquitted. You can find it in the library. He linked up the whole VRWC starting with a wealthy lawyer in Arkansas who hated Clinton... and ending up with Kenneth Starr. He proved that everybody in the whole right-wing fiasco was loosely connected and interconnected.

Message: If you were fucking important enough for me to take the time to line you up in my fucking sights I would. You, Tiny Dicked Jeffy and BVD all spend too fucking much time on this liberal forum not to be repressed liberals. And I am rolling in the fucking floor laughing my fucking ass off with you asshole idiots thinking I am the editor. Kosovo or no Clinton had himself together enough to get elected to the Office of President of the United States TWICE in all his fucking perverted glory you scud shit licker!

Message: OJ Simpson also has documented a vast conspiracy against him after a gang of Columbian drug runners murdered Nicole and Ron a few back.I must say that one of the greatest questions I've ever heard asked in a politicians press conference was asked of Joe Lockhart by an unidentified reporter on the day of the Senate vote in the impeachment trial.This reporter asked Lockhart if, given his love of golf,Billy Bob would be making plans to golf with OJ. Of course,the leftist reporters in the room groaned audibly at the question. It was almost as beatiful a moment as was the speech that Don Imus made at the White House Correspondants dinner a couple of years back.

Message: It's pretty easy to tell from her vocabulary that "Goddess" is a progressive democrat!

Message: One thing's for certain in the Senatorial elections in NY next year,and that's that the top of the democrat Party ticket won't be providing much in the way of "the coat tail effect" to any democrat Congressional candidates.Die Schlickfrau would be much wiser to focus on making speeches to leftist groups at $10,000 a pop rather that engaging in a futile bid for political office.She's gotta remember that she and Billy Bob have some major legal bills to pay off.But then,campaign debts don't bother leftist democrats much.John Glenn still owes serious $$ for debts run up during his 1980 bid for Motel 1600!

He proved that everybody in the whole right-wing fiasco was loosely connected and interconnected.

I said a quote - not your wishful thinking
I remember a really shabby piece in which they showed something like Ken Starr's gardener's son once had lunch with Richard Mellon Scaife's brother-in-law's best friend (there you have a - Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) and the Ken Starr once passed a big GOP fundraiser while walking in Reagan Nation Airport (I bet flying into Washington really pisses off you liberals). I think they even unloaded the bombshell that Ken Starr was a Republican (earth shaking - see there's your conspiracy - the Republicans and the little green men from mars). Sorry editor - the mythical VRWC was never proven (unless you actually consider innuendo proof). So lets now deal with reality: Hillary said the story about Monica were NOT TRUE and it can from the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (patent pending)- Bill Clinton later confessed to lying to the American people about Monica - THEREFORE the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy DID NOT invent the Monica story - it was true and Bill "weasel boy" Clinton was lying to Hillary and the American people. Bill Clinton did it ALL - not a mythical VRWC. Hillary was either lying of extremely duped and naïve when she invented the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy mythology.

BTW - it is not my job to do your research for you -FACE IT they never even came close to proof of a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy - WHY? Because Hillary invented it in an attempt to cover up the lies of her husband and so she could run for office in the future.

BTW - Check the library, there is an article where they PROVE that the Loch Ness Monster was the ringleader of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy - REALLY, I am not kidding. Elvis called Newsweek from his UFO and unloaded the entire story. You liberal should be eating this stuff up!

Message: Ms. Clinton: Please stay out of NY. You are not wanted here; you certainly are not needed. As feminists, my friends and I find your behavior deplorable in so many ways. You are a coattail rider to the most disgusting President this country has ever seen. The example you set for your daughter is the saddest example of what a wife's status should be. It is demeaning to pretend that you remain in your marriage due to religion, or any other noble reason. You remain with the Pig-in-Chief for one reason only, and that is access to power. To pretend otherwise is an insult to the intelligence of every woman, man and voter in this country. One word of advice: Don't believe your own publicity --you won't be the first arrogant leech to fall far because of it. Remember: New York loathes you. And the guy who is going to cream you in the election is the greatest! He produces. You only produce bullbleep. Can't wait to trash you everyday in the press, Hil-liar-y!! Regards from one more member of your Vast RightWing Conspiracy! Thanks for uniting us. P.S. Can you tell us how to make a lot of $$$ with cattle futures? Maybe then we'll like you. Not!

I just wanted to see how long the editor would let me be abusive and foul before she deleted me.

I guess the answer is...as long as I am female and a Democrat, she will let me rant forever. While the Republican guys on this forum have to tiptoe around her majesty's opinions in order for her not to say "Okay that's it", you are shrunk or other such nonsense.

Apologies to all of you, it was an experiment, but I am not the editor. And the editor FLUCKED. That's an F- girl! Check your priorities!

Message: OK, LVD, you owe me an apology for not believing me. Have I ever lied to you? "THE RIGHT WING WEB" Newsweek, February 22, 1999.

Message: I still want to know who it was from the VRWC that got Monica to become a VRWC operative, get into the oval office and force WWJ to drop his pants (numerous times) AGAINST his own will. I want to find this person and hire them to maybe do ... hmmmm ... cattle futures, ya, that's it I want to hire this person to do cattle futures for me.

Message: We had a good laugh. I don't think you are a female, but you were quite entertaining there for a while. I see you have now run out of steam, which was predictable of course. I hope we were good guinea pigs for your eh.. "experiment". Goodbye for now.

OK, LVD, you owe me an apology for not believing me. Have I ever lied to you? "THE RIGHT WING WEB" Newsweek, February 22, 1999.

What is this - this is not proof? The title doesn't even mention the VRWC let alone prove it.

Message: A VWRC does not mean that the events that happened were untrue. We all know they were true. What VRWC means is that a right-wing group put in an extraordinary amount of time and money assisting each other in getting Clinton.

Message: A VWRC does not mean that the events that happened were untrue. We all know they were true. What VRWC means is that a right-wing group put in an extraord

Message: You are wrong dear editor. I am very much female. Enjoy your life. Such as it is.

Message: Ya know how in a "who dunnit" the "who" is someone involved in the case, but the least likely suspect. The "who" in the VRWC is HILLARY! Yes, it's perfect - her, Monica, Kathleen, Juanita, Gennifer, Paula, etc are all in on this together. These "sisters" have figured out a way to become rich and famous while making a complete ASS out of WWJ. Hillary gets to play the victim, earn hopefully enough sympathy to become Senator and then President, all the other gals get to write books eventually - make tons of loot. Yea, its Sisterhood baby, WWJ has been shagged!

Message: Mrs. Clinton also urged world leaders to invest in education and health care. ``This doesn't mean a distribution of wealth,'' she said. ``It's about the distribution of opportunities.''

Message: Mrs. Clinton also urged world leaders to invest in education and health care. ``This doesn't mean a distribution of wealth,'' she said. ``It's about the distribution of opportunities.'' ................. I have my own translation, but I would like to hear others first.

Message: Okay you fucking editor, why don't you prove that I am not a female. You think you and Hillary Skinton are the only types of females that exist in the fucking world??? Get a grip bitch! For as old as you obviously are you would think you would have a little better clue!!! Why don't you quit spending all of your spare time running this fucking poorly organized forum and do something with that hero asshole of yours Clinton to make him quit sending our young men to fucking DIE in a war that hasn't got a fucking thing to do with the US???? God what a skanky bitch you are!!! Get a fucking clue!!!!

Message: Hillary wants better health care and education for us all. A noble pursuit.

Message: Go on editor!!! Delete the Goddess, you know you want to!!! There is no freedom of speech on this forum, only your mindless censorship!!! 89 FORUMS of your bullshit censorship and I am so fucking sick of looking at it I could just spit!!! You are out of your fucking mind to think this is a publication. If it is, it is the most poorly organized one since Little House on the Prairie.

Message: Ah, dear Goddess, I DO enjoy my many lives, and "such as it is" my life has been long, happy, healthy and full of love, adventure and exitement.

By the way, are your initials MS? Your Mom will freak if she knew you wrote stuff like this. Am I right?

Message: Where have you been? The war is over!!! Now I know why you are sooooooo angrrrrrry. You have been in a deep dark depression, stuck in your messy filthy room for days on end trying to get yourself out of your funk. You are in trouble and using anger to get yourself out of those ghastly depressions that ruin your life and make you fat.

Anger works very well to get oneself out of a depression if you can express it where it will do no harm. This forum was a good place. You did us no harm and we were entertained for a while.

Message: "Hillary wants better health care and education for us all. A noble pursuit.": the Editors response to my translation question. WRONG, that is not what she said (if that is what she meant, why didn't she just say so?). SOMEONE else try to answer the translation question please.

"You have been in a deep dark depression, stuck in your messy filthy room for days on end trying to get yourself out of your funk."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DEAR IDIOTOR!!!! YOU FLUNK AGAIN!!! DAMN YOU ARE JUST TOO EASY!!! HOW DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MY STATE OF MIND OR THE CONDITION OF MY HOME??? WELL AT LEAST YOU DIDN'T DELETE IT, BUT YOU ARE RATHER READY TO GO FOR THE PERSONAL ATTACKS WHEN YOU ARE THE TARGET. YOU ARE ALSO THE ONLY ONE WHO IS ABLE TO CENSOR/EDIT THIS FORUM AMONG THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THE POINTS OF MY JABS. ALSO HOW DO YOU KNOW I AM FAT???

Message: This forum is a "Happening" -a political soap opera with a life of its own. To play the game assume a historical character, or an interesting moniker, and join in with the anonymous geniuses and other characters who contribute to this Happening every day. God bless you.

Message: "I guess the answer is...as long as I am female and a Democrat, she[editor] will let me rant forever. While the Republican guys on this forum have to tiptoe around her majesty's opinions in order for her not to say "Okay that's it", you are shrunk or other such nonsense."

Yes, dear Goddess. Your perceptions are right on! Which is why I leave you on this forum, overlooking the f-words which constitute your heavy plated suit-of-armor protecting you from the slings from those you wish to challenge.

You're not the only Kick Ass Babe around here. I am too. These Republican guys are on this forum as my guests and if they don't toe the line shrunken status is their punishment. I gotta keep them on a short rein or they get out of hand. I used to delete them but "shrunken-status" could be more fun, we'll see. I don't know if I have the time to "shrink their status" but it's a funny thought!

Listen dear Goddess. You must understand one thing -- this is MY forum. As the editor I have the right to run it as I please. That being so one would be crazy to position oneself any lower than "her majesty". Jeepers! If you get the chance to invent your own environment why wouldn't you want to be queen? What's the alternative? A worker bee?

This is a Fantasy Forum. You have already made your grand entrance as Kick Ass Babe aka Goddess. Rather than delete you I am going to make sure that you go down in history, as stuff does here, for better or for worse. But don't overdo it because even these horny Republican guys will get weary of it. The Rules allow you to have several personalities. As you can tell LVD thinks I own them all. Which is quite flattering in a funny kind of way.

Mrs. Clinton also urged world leaders to invest in education and health care. ``This doesn't mean a distribution of wealth,'' she said. ``It's about the distribution of opportunities.''

Sorry, I can not translate it - sounds like meaningless fluff to me. Healthcare was completely botched by Hillary a few years ago. As for education - Hillary should run for state legislature. Education is a local (state) issue - in most locations 98% of funds and direction for education comes from the state. When a Senator talks about education - it is just PR , mobo-jumbo because education is a local issue.

Message: Listen, I would really, really like to try to improve your situation i.e. allieviate your anger, horniness, or whatever. Fortunately for you, many men are either kind hearted enough or horney enough to capitulate to a mercy fuck to all but the MOST atrocious women.

I suggest that you make your way to a local bar with a fist full of cash and buy a substantial number of drinks for a man. Pick a bar in suited to your socio-economic status....perhaps one of those bars where you can discard peanut shells on the floor and not all the patrons are expected to have 23 chromosones or a full set of teeth.

Try to shut you mouth for a few hours and perhaps with enough alcohol you'll get lucky.

Message: As I momentarially take my persona off for a sec, I would like to thank you for this surreal forum. It makes my otherwise bland days....more interesting. In two to three months I'll tell you a secret...one that will shock you...if you've not yet secretly guessed.

Anyway, leave goddess on this forum. She's...most amusing and if I sincerely was not convinced that she's a total fat, smell pig I'm sure that I'd really enjoy an angry romp in the hay with the little bitch! I'll bet she barks like a dog!

Jeepers Witch Hazel are a mindreader or do you speak for the Editor or are you finally admiting that you are indeed the editor

I agree. Wanting people to be healthy and educated is a wonderful goal. We all gain when any one of us gains. I completely agree. However, holding a gun to my head and telling me that I will pay for someone else's idea of helping others (while making burocrats rich as well) is not my idea of a noble path to that noble goal. If I fail to pay my taxes I will have my property siezed, at gunpoint if necessary, so I am not exagerating one little bit. Charity, which is what we are talking about here, must be a personal decision. When one is forced to give to someone else's idea of a charity it is no less than robbery with a nice intent. Hurting me in order to help another creates resentment (me) and guilt (them, if they have a concience). No one is helped. Forced Bussing is one example that comes to mind. Nice goal, Nazi tactics.

Hillary and those that "think" like her want to play Robin Hood (but in collusion with the Sherrif of Nottingham) in order to get the peasants to vote for her. (Side Note: This task becomes easier if you tax the successful heavily, as they are a minority, and give those proceeds to those who have not been so hard working, the majority, which will continue to grow once it has been established that there is no penalty for lazyness and failure. Ultimately we all lose, except for those seeking power over us that is. Thus this tactic is seen by Conservatives for what it really is: An attempt to gain power over the People. Far from Altruistic.)

I will ask a direct question of anyone who cares to answer:
Should the Government have the Power to Force the People to Donate to State Chosen Charity Programs?

And for Bonus Points:
Given the States Record for Monumental Waste and Corruption, should we trust them with such Power?

This is a very simple question so I would appreciate a concise answer with the underlying reasoning layed out for me. (In my view this is nothing less than Hard Core Socialism so be clear if you wish to convince me.)

And just to cover the knee jerk assertion of "You Offer Criticism But No Solutions" I will. Tax Breaks for Businesses and Individuals that invest in these Noble Causes. (Not the piss-ant ones we have now but REAL tax relief for the far sighted and generous. Of course, there is no tangible benefit for the State with this method and far less money would be wasted or stolen by burocrats but I can dream can't I?)

Message: Correct answer LVD to the translation question. There is no such thing as "distribution of opportunities." Her statement is meaningless nonsense. Not everyone has the opportunity to go to the Mayo Clinic. Is Hillary going to "distribute" opportunities to go to the Mayo Clinic? Not everyone has the opportunity to go to Stanford. Is Hillary going to "distribute" opportunities to go to Stanford? What absurdity! This was not a statement to convey any real world feasible application. No, this is more Clinton-speak. This was merely a sound-bite for the evening news so her followers could say: "Ooh, Ahh, that's so profound, she cares soooo much!" (Homework assignment for sheeple: look up the definition of "opportunity," words mean things).

Message: Why do people from around the world come to America for medical treatment (Mayo Clinic for example)? Because the fruits of Capitalism and genuine charity produce the best medicine. Want socialized (Hillary) medicine? Well, I hope you like being examined in metal beds in a room with 50 other patients and don't mind having your leg amputated instead of one of those expensive knee operations. Since not all of us have the opportunity for a knee operation, perhaps Hillary will randomly "distribute" socialized medicine knee operations (off with your leg!).

Message: "Don't trust the even concept of Hillary-care." ... What the ? Should have been: "Don't trust the concept of Hillary-care." "Anwser" should have been "Answer." When the subject of Govt. health care comes up, I start spelling like "Bugs." Weird {theme music from "Twilight zone").

Message: ...grand entrance? Hmph! I have been here forever, and all of your guesses are wrong.

And no the war is not over. As long as we breathe there is always a war going on.

...The editor's status as Queen of the realm is a truly sad one. It goes against every thing she claims she wants this forum to be.

How about government required contributions to charities of time and money dear editor? Wouldn't that fix all of this nation's problems? Ha Ha Ha (That was sarcasm...)

Just to be clear, among all of the rantings I spewed, some were true, and some were not, but be clear that my insignificant little opinion such as it is: Choice is the only option in the Abortion realm. Choice is what America is about and choice is the obvious stance of the abortion laws.

My prayers are with the Office of the President of the United States. both that the fighting can end and that the next holder of that most respected office with be someone of greater moral standards. The sexually predatory way of this holder of the Office is a shameful one and I hang my head in shame that I voted for him for his first run at the office.

I am leaving for a road trip as soon as I sign off here. See you all later. It's summertime and the weather is nice! I am so thankful that I live in America where I have the choice to do such a thing, rather than living in a refugee camp in Macedonia where simple pleasures are not an option, let alone large ones. Pray for them, not me. I am an American. Statistically I am one of the luckiest people on planet earth ands so are most of the other contributors to this forum.

Message: P.S. You have to admit, BVD was a funny take off on your name LVD. (;P>

Message: This is a very dignified site, exactly befitting the base hypocrite it honors. As long as God makes idiots, Hillary will always have a voter base.

Message: "As I momentarially take my persona off for a sec, I would like to thank you for this surreal forum. It makes my otherwise bland days....more interesting. In two to three months I'll tell you a secret...one that will shock you...if you've not yet secretly guessed."

Thank you v-e-r-y much. You made my day! And thank you also for your terrific sense of humor. It's unfortunate that you cannot hear the peals of laughter in our office at some of the messages and pictures people place on this forum. Many of them are yours.

I understand what you mean, I use this forum as an escape from the stress of work. As you can imagine my work must be very stressful if being attacked by LVD and other aggressive right-wingers (and Goddess) is considered an escape!

"In two to three months I'll tell you a secret...one that will shock you...if you've not yet secretly guessed."

NO.. I have often wondered who you are but haven't a clue. NOW you have my curiosity going crazy. Give me just a little clue: Do I know you personally, or should I know you?

Message: Dear Mrs. Clinton: I know of no other way currently to reach you. Though I doubt this message will ever reach you, I thought I would take the slim chance it offers. I am the editor for a gay and lesbian magazine based in Atlanta, GA. We are not large enough as yet to garner the contacts needed to reach your attention. We have always been strong supporters of your work and are very excited at the prospect of having you participate directly in the government process. We would love to speak to you personally about your future and the future of our society in general. We would also like to find out your opinions on our community. If you do receive this message and would be interested in talking to us, or just sending us a letter, please do. You can reach us at Reaching Out Magazine, 500 Bishop Street, Suite F-1, Atlanta, GA 30318. Thank you. Laura A. Vess

Message: When this forum was shown on MSNBC TV the anchor woman said that it was "a controversial forum - not for children." I can't imagine why she said that can you?

Message: Poor Hillary...it looks like the only coat tails that Algore will be providing her are negative ones.What did the poll in yesterday's Washington Post indicate? Algore is behind Govenor Bush by 36% to 53%.Jesus....it looks like we're talking a repeat of '72 and '84!

Message: Don't get too optimistic about the early polls favoring Govenor Bush. He 'aint gonna win. McCain is going to beat George. George will eventually come off as a too vague on the issues compared to McCain. My guess is that it will be a McCain-Dole ticket and that will be a really tough battle for Al Gore.

Message: First Lady Prepares to Raise Funds
By Susan B. Glasser
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 15, 1999; Page A7

Hillary Clinton's top advisers met last week to map out an ambitious fund-raising strategy for the New York Senate race she is exploring, an up-to-$20 million effort that will be guided in part by Terence R. McAuliffe, the real estate developer who was the chief money man for her husband's 1996 reelection bid.MORE...

Al Gore at a New Orleans fund-raiser Monday. Gore stopped by the $1,000-per-person reception on his way to the U.S. Conference of Mayors. (AP)
By Terry M. Neal
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 15, 1999; Page A9

NEW ORLEANS, June 14 – With his official presidential announcement just two days away, Vice President Gore came to this southern metropolis on a typically muggy June day to speak of community, faith, livability and guns, the latter being the dominant domestic issue in the nation's capital. A little after noon, Gore took to the podium at the Fairmont Hotel ballroom, outside the French Quarter, where more than 300 city executives from around the country had gathered for the national meeting of the U.S. Conference of Mayors. Although he was speaking before a bipartisan group, Gore confidently recited his party's line on gun control, denouncing the National Rifle Association and urging the House to pass legislation approved by the Senate. MORE...

"In two to three months I'll tell you a secret...one that will shock you...if you've not yet secretly guessed."

or (this is my favorite) Wee-Willey-Jeff is actually Hillary (this could actually be true but she could never admit it - boy wouldn't it be a gas if WWJ is Hillary

the secret - Bill Clinton is getting a sex change so he can live with Hillary as her lesbian lover (I think this is the most likely.)

Choice is the only option in the Abortion realm. Choice is what America is about and choice is the obvious stance of the abortion laws.

You may be horrified if you do a historic research - that was the same argument used by pro-slavery Democrats prior to abolition. People said "While I did not personally support slavery, this country was built on choice and therefore the obvious stance in "choice" in the matter of slavery" - Don't take my word for it, do the research.

BTW - Slavery was legal - slave owners had the law on THEIR side - Goddess, did that make it right?

Abortion is the modern day version of Slavery. With Slavery - they justified it by saying Blacks were not actually human (1/3 human). Pro Abortion advocates say pre-born humans are not actually human. With Slavery - a large percent of the people found it distasteful but they did not have the nerve to stand up against it so they said they were for "choice" - this is also true for the Pro-Abortion crowd. Many believed that Slavery was a matter of choice and an institution that would never be abolished (some gave their lives to preserve slavery) - Today many say abortion will always be legal. The Pro-Slavery Democrats were wrong and I hope the Pro-Abortion Democrats will be proven wrong today.

Oh great - now we are back to the underwear talk - you have gone too far - that's it, I'm telling!

No way Man! Morrison was never in the Dead - it was Jerry Garcia, he was in the Dead - but hey man, now he IS dead - bummer dude. As for Elvis - he was a Republican so there was no need to abduct him - but hey man, he is also dead - he died while taking a dump - brutal!("You can do anything but stay off of my blue suede toilet") Here is a list of great Rock and Roll Republicans (abbreviated): Ted Nugent (the alpha male), Alice Cooper, Buck Dharma (guitarist for Blue Oyster Cult and a personal friend), Sonny Bono (wasn't he in the Dead - no wait, he IS dead).

Message: Think! Nixon gave Elvis a DEA badge. That fat, stupid, drug addicted tub of lard. Some "mistakes" need to be erased. However, due to Elvis' patronage and loyalty the GOP couldn't bring itself to kill him. After abduction, reprogramming, and detox, he was reintroduced into society a healthier, happier man. Ironically enough he plays an Elvis inpersonator in the Washington D.C. area, often at the little yuppie Gomorrah of Dewey Beach, DE.

Technically, he's in hiding but he almost blew it when Lisa Marie married Michael Jackson. The GOP had to pull a lot of favors to break that up!

Message: I thought W-W-J was our beloved Bubba, but he says he has a "bland" life and that threw me. This is driving me crazy....

Message: Even more ironic is that the DEA does NOW use Elvis in many of its sting operations. For some reason elvis impersonators can penetrate organized crime syndicates where other operative fail for whatever reason.

Message: The Witch is NOT the Editor. LVD and I had a series of messages about R&R in the late '70s (until he insulted me again with his unrestrainable urge to put people down) that even the Editor did not know about my past. My opinions are my own. Tough witch's titty if they sound close to other well-educated liberals' point of view.

I feel sad at losing the Goddess who speaks great truths. I know several men who speak like her for real and it did not offend me when a woman does it. In fact, it is very funny! I wish more people would be upfront with their opinions rather than resort to personal attacks when others express themselves.

Algore's lack of personality has always bothered me somehow and now, with all this talk about Elvis, it's dawned on me why; He's the Anti-Elvis! There isn't anyone on the face of this Earth less like Elvis. The perfect cover you say? Could Algore really be Elvis in hiding? Boy what a performance! I always said Elvis was a Master Actor!

(until he insulted me again with his unrestrainable urge to put people down)

Witch Hazel - there are ways to medically treat dementia. Hearing voicing, talking to Elvis, and reading messages to this forum that never existed can be treated.

Maybe when you see a doctor - you can also get them to give you a transplanted sense of humor.

I wish more people would be upfront with their opinions rather than resort to personal attacks when others express themselves.

Talk about irony! (have ever posted a message toward me that DID NOT contain a personal attack?)

Message: I don't know if anyone caught this, but those nasty, evil Republicans (probably at the behest of Elvis) have been given poor ol' Al Gore grief about a perfetly understandable error.

Apparently, in front of a crowd, Al misinterpreted our national slogan "E. Pluribus Unum" as "From one -- many" when in fact it should be "From many -- one"

Dang, well it was a perfectly understandable error and to tell you the truth, I like Al's version better. More PC!

Message: I wish more people would be upfront with their opinions rather than resort to personal attacks when others express themselves.

Thank God Goddess never resorted to personal attacks. Her example should set the standard for us all. Isn't that right you "fucking moron", you "small-dicked, small-brained men". "Fuck you" "Get lost" "Come back when you have a fucking point to make instead of just some fucking wind to blow over your pompous ass!"

Yep, she spoke her mind without personal attacks when others expressed themselves.

Message: Please say you will come back and amuse and entertain us some more. I agree with CHOICE for all women too! But you already knew that.

Message: Okay you guys and gals Im running for President. Why do you ask. Because the fakir Rebooblicans George W Bush is running too. Can he write an essay on what the heck is family values. He now sounds like a Democrat. But, dont be fooled, he is just a wolf in sheeps clothing a non caring Rebooblican. Give up Radical Wing politicians You cant beat slick Willy. What the CCC is doing is ten thousand times worse than what President Clinton did. He is not against minorities like the Right Wingers who contiuously expound hate to certain minorities groups. So come this next election and the next two or three (every two years) Vote for the good guys the Democrats all the way. And does George W know any thing about foreign affairs. Nope. He is too inexperienced to run. He is like Steve Forbes in many ways, Long on money but short very short on experience.

Message: In the previous forum, Witch Hazel decalared that all guys want is sex. She must be speaking from personal experience. It is hard to believe that only guys looking for sex are attracted to Witch Hazel. It's surprising that she does not attract the guys looking for the intelligent, charming, traditional values type woman.

Message: Giuliani could have a fight to face Hillary
By MARC HUMBERT
AP Political Writer
June 18, 1999 Web posted at: 10:05 a.m. EDT (1405 GMT)

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- While political circles are abuzz with talk of a possible Senate race between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Rudolph Giuliani, the New York City mayor may not have a clear path to the Republican nomination.

A little-known GOP congressman from Long Island, Rick Lazio, could be standing in Giuliani's way.

"I will be making an announcement sometime in the summer and I can't imagine right now that announcement is not going to be a positive one," Lazio, 41, said recently.

A Republican primary, which would come just two months before next year's Senate election, could leave the mayor badly bruised and with a lighter bank account or even as a loser, according to some veteran New York politicians.

"It's a real problem for Rudy," New York GOP consultant Jay Severin said. MORE...

The "Friends of Hillary" web page is doing a poll on if she should run:
http://www.us.net/indc/hilhome.htm

BTW - on this Democrat site the poll numbers show a majority DO NOT want Hillary to run (so much for "the people drafted me" hype)

Message: Actually I saw just about the only convincing arguement I have ever seen as I was driving down the road today with a billboard that said something about I knew you before you were born while you were in the womb...some verse from Jeremiah, but I was driving too fast to catch it all. Anyway it made me think, but still living in the world I do today, II'd hate to be forced to have a (fucking), kid I didn't want.

Message: I thought of something I wanted to say to you today as I was driving down the road, but I forgot what it was. Must be too much crack today. Oh well, it must not have been very important.

Message: I'm sure all of those people living in tents in Macedonia with sewer running through the streets they are not allowed to leave are thrilled to hear the war is over. So exactly what did the dumbasses from NATO change with their billion dollar intervention into the hundred year war in Eastern Europe. You'd think if Clinton was bright enough to get himself elected President that he could show enough brains to learn from the Egypt/Israel thing. But then that dumb mother fucker can't keep his dick in his pants either, so what should I expect? (Thge question is rhetorical for those of you too stupid to figure that out.)

Message: Goddess: You came back to us, again and again, even though you announce an extended absence. Seems you miss the mother fucking, moron, small-dicked, small-brained, dipshits, dumbasses on this forum. We understand your addiction to our unique minds.

Welcome back (shut up LVD) We're actually quite intrigued that you are, on the one hand flagrantly obscene and abusive, yet on the other you care about the poor Albanians in Macedonia and appreciate your good fortune to be in America.

Despite your language you are not all bad and that's good. You are suprisingly insightful and often hit the nail right on the head.

Stop condemning Clinton for blunders in the Kosovo war. I used to do that in the beginning but Houdini pulled himself out of the bind and will leave a glorious legacy for generations to come who will appreciate him much more than we have.

Years from now people will not be learning about the scandalous details in Clinton's life, anymore than we learn about those details in other great leaders. They will be taught in their schools that the Kosovo War was the beginning of the end of racial persecution. For the first time since World War II we can truly say "Never Again" the the concentration camps and the gas chambers. Before Kosovo "Never Again" was just a vow. Now that we have established the beginnings of a world police force we have put "teeth" into that vow. The words "Never Again" are backed with real power.

We go into the next millennium knowing that we can see the light at the end of the tunnel for tyrants like Milosevic. Tyrants the world over have surely got the message by now. "One Thousand Years of Peace" may be a possibility even in your lifetime. and maybe, just maybe, even in mine.

NATO's refusal to countenance an independent Kosovo as the end result of its Balkan intervention always looked unrealistic. But it now threatens to endanger the long-term prospects for a stable peace. The threat lies in the text of the Kosovo Peace Plan of June 3, in which the Western allies restated their commitment to upholding Yugoslavia's "sovereignty and territorial integrity" and restricted the province's future to "substantial autonomy." Thus, even though Mr. Milosevic lost the war, he has been allowed to keep Kosovo -- at least in constitutional theory.

In the light of the horrific mass graves now being uncovered, most people will think this is a travesty of justice as well as a political blunder.

It also presents immediate problems. Given that Mr. Milosevic retains his claim to the province, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) is understandably reluctant to "demilitarize" itself by handing over its weapons to the NATO dominated KFOR. Yet in the peace plan the Western allies pledged to "demilitarize" the KLA. MORE...

Message: The Washington Post
Talking Through Their Hats
By Geneva Overholser
Friday, June 18, 1999; Page A41

So now the war that couldn't be won by air power has been won. The president who couldn't survive the Monica scandal looks comfortably toward another year and a half in office. And the pundits who are never embarrassed no matter how wrong they are, are gearing up to pronounce again.

Surely it's one of the strangest things our Information Age has spawned, this cadre of People Who Pronounce. They go on television, after any big political event and on shows scheduled just for them, and deliver judgments -- scolding, deploring failures, predicting someone's demise.

And then, without apology or even acknowledgment, however howlingly wide of the mark, however foolish their pontificating, they return to do it again -- just as pompous, superior and smug.MORE...

Message: I do in fact miss you all. You are my life. Ha ha ha ha ha I'm fucking dying here. Yes the crack was a joke. I confine my recreational drug use strictly to the fucking shit that ought to be legal anyway. Duh! My husband and I seriously disagree on the abortion question, but then who raises the fucking kids anyway so who gives a rat's ass. I'll refrain from making a joke about your chin dear editor. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha They will be teaching that bullshit story you told about Kosovo to the kids if you keep fucking saying it you dumb bitch, but my kids will know different, because I tell them when the fuckers from the local public school system are full of shit. (And yes, I can afford private school, but they look like legalized segregation to me and I ain't raisin' no fucking nigger haters.) They perform and make good grades for those dumbass, Baptist bitches any-fucking-way, so who knows. I wouldn't bet the farm on your hairbrained thesis. I think it has a few holes in it. The record keeping in this day and age is a lot better than it used to be when you were a kid back in the caveman days and so luckily, our kids can hear all of the bullshit mumbo jumbo that they want to from the fuckers down at P.S. 1234 or what the fuck ever, but those with brains, like mine can still look up the REAL story and find out that Clinton, in all his glory, thought mostly with his little head. P. S. Two plural subjects in your attempt at profanity fucking failed.

Explain to me exactly what you see in a codependent loser like Hillary, that you make a whole little world (something like your own words, I'm too lazy to go look) just for her. I mean this forum doesn't really have jack shit to do with that nauseating bitch, thank God, so why not call it the Independent Thinking Forum or something more fucking relevant. No wait. Don't do that. That's what I'm gonna call mine. And when I finally get around to making my forum, you better drag your pointy chinned (I had to do it...I'm weak...so shoot me) ass into it and post so I can shrink your ass and make your legs all fucking fuzzy.

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Message: Carol Everett was involved in the abortion industry in the Dallas, Texas, area from 1977 to 1983. As director of four clinics, and owner of two, Ms. Everett was responsible for the clinics' daily operation. Everett, who had an abortion soon after it became legal in 1973, now speaks out on what she saw in the abortion industry:

A. Money. It is a very lucrative business. It is the largest unregulated industry in our nation. Most of the clinics are run in chains because it is so profitable.

A. Every woman has two questions, "Is it a baby?" and Does it hurt?" The abortionist must answer "NO." He/she must lie to secure the consent of the woman and the collection of the clinic's fee. The women were told that we were dealing with a "product of conception" or a "glob of tissue." They were told that there would be only slight cramping, whereas, in reality, an abortion is excruciatingly painful.

A. We put them down the garbage disposal. Some second and third trimester babies' muscle structure is so strong that the baby will not come apart, so they must be disposed of through trash receptacles.

Q. Abortion is supposed to be a "safe" experience. What complications did you witness?

A. In the last 18 months I was in the business, we were completing over 500 abortions monthly and killing or maiming one woman out of 500. Common complications that take place are perforations or tears in the uterus. Many of those result in hyster

Message: hysterectomies. The doctor might cut or harm the urinary tract, which then requires surgical repair. A complication that is rarely publicized is the one in which the doctor perforates the uterus and pulls the bowels through the vagina, resulting in colostomy. Some of those can be reversed, some must live with the colostomy for the remainder of their lives.

A. Two things came into play at the same time. I experienced a profoundly religious transformation -- a conversion. At about the time I was having second thoughts, a Dallas television station did an expose disclosing the abortions performed at my clinic on non-pregnant women -- all for money! I finally realized, "We weren't helping women -- we were destroying them -- and their children." By then my transformation was complete and I knew that I not only had to stop being involved with abortions, but I had to help promote the truth.

Message: In the last 18 months I was in the business, we were completing over 500 abortions monthly and killing or maiming one woman out of 500. Common complications that take place are perforations or tears in the uterus. Many of those result in hysterectomies. The doctor might cut or harm the urinary tract, which then requires surgical repair. A complication that is rarely publicized is the one in which the doctor perforates the uterus and pulls the bowels through the vagina, resulting in colostomy. Some of those can be reversed, some must live with the colostomy for the remainder of their lives.

Message: Dear followers. That Carol Everett woman is obviously another member of the VRWC. Abortion providers are necessary to the empowerment or women. Abortion providers are on our side, they contribute money to the DNC and hopefully to my senate campaign. Women need abortion and abortion needs women. Remember, whoever contributes to the election of democrats is good, those who criticize are EVIL! EVIL KEN STARR, EVIL CAROL EVERETT. All together now: "EVIL KEN STARR, EVIL CAROL EVERETT." Good, I knew you could do it, one more time - "EVIL KEN STARR, EVIL CAROL EVERETT!"

Message: Abortion may be right and it may be wrong. I don't really know. Spending a great deal of time thinking about it is not a priority in my life. But I do know I am glad it was an available option for my when I was carrying a child that I had no means to support. I aborted at 6 weeks. Yes, it was a bothersome issue in the back of my mind for several years, but I truly feel I made the best CHOICE for myself, my partner and the child. I got past the trauma of being faced with a situation in which this was the best CHOICE. I can't say I have no regret, but I certainly have very little and I'm glad I had a CHOICE. I do not think most women are for or against abortion, they are just glad when it is a CHOICE when it is best and/or necessary.

Message: Rape may be right and it may be wrong. I don't really know. Spending a great deal of time thinking about it is not a priority in my life. But I do know I am glad it was an available option for my when I was horny and had no means to support a real relationship. I raped at 16 years. Yes, it was a bothersome issue in the back of my mind for several years, but I truly feel I made the best CHOICE for myself (if she got pregnant - just have an abortion). I got past the trauma of being faced with a situation in which this was the best CHOICE. I can't say I have no regret, but I certainly have very little and I'm glad I had a CHOICE. I do not think most men are for or against rape, they are just glad when it is a CHOICE when it is best and/or necessary.

Message: Here's a woman who feels that having aborted her child was the best thing for the child. Sweetheart.....why don't you just admit it! The kid would have put a crimp in your lifestyle and,as a result,you decided to kill him/her.Just like a leftist democrat....lie....lie....lie....lie!

Message: Saw a great piece in a recent issue of Time Magazine today.The writer theorizes that the movers and shakers of the democrat Party fear that they may be about to nominate Walter Mondale II at their convention next year.This thought fills them with dread (understandably).But then,they realize that Algore is very similar in a lot of ways to former President George Bush,and Mr Bush was able to win an election.But then, their spirits nosedive again when the realize that the Republicans aren't likely to nominate Mike Dukakis II in 2000.It was really funny stuff!!!!

Message: I aborted at 6 weeks. Yes, it was a bothersome issue in the back of my mind for several years, but I truly feel I made the best CHOICE for myself, my partner and the child.

Do you really think that the best option for the child was to kill it??? Perhaps you could have given it up for adoption. Maybe a life with caring parents, even if adopting parents, is a better option than killing it from the child's point of view.

Message: "Choice" means chocolate vs vanilla.......Yankees vs Mets......Chevrolet vs Ford. Abortion means murder,pure and simple.

To Bugs Bunny

Sorry, I don't think you're for real. No one is as stupid as you appear. Perhaps you are some clever AI program that spits mindless rhetorical garbage emulating ignorance, boorishness, and unparalled stupidity to discredit Democrats.

More than likely you are VRWC. More than LVD, Zippy, or Wee Willey Jeff.

Message: Yes there is a Santa and a Bugs Bunny and come to think of it he Easter Bunny too. lol

Message: Chantilly is a Republican sweetheart, albeit an individual minded one. And the child did get over the trauma since it never felt any trauma in the first place. Crimp? No dear, I do not think so. At the time I was living on less than $300 a month Social Security Disability in the projects recovering from a head injury. I might alsol mention I was also in need of and therefore taking several category D drugs as well as one Category E one. For those of you who do not know what that means. A category A drug is generally accepted as safe for developing fetuses. A category E has a high potential to cause birth defects. Adoptive parents? I have myself to think of as well and I would have a very difficult time living with the wondering. Black really is black. And white really is white. I do not like living in gray areas. It was my choice to make. I'm sad that it had tro happen, but I definitely did what was best for myself, my partner and the child. It is very easy for you to criticize from the outside of the situation with 20/20 hindsight. I am glad I had a CHOICE. Without the benefit of this unwanted, unprepared for child, I was able to go on and get completely off of government benefits in short order and resume a productive life. You are free to make your own CHOICE, but I am also very thankful that I live in a free country where I also had a CHOICE.

The slavery issue is certainly an interesting analogy, however, I do not feel it is a completely parallel one since the slave was a independent being capable of supporting its own life without interfering with the life of another. That is an argueable point, however, it remains that my opinion is the legally sanctioned one and yours is not, and I hope the courts choose to leave it at that. This country was founded on religious freedom and the majority of the anti-abortion views seem to be founded on the religious choices of others. I hope I will continue to live in a country that is religiously free. Just because the Baptists down the road find abortion objectionable does not mean that I do. I fail to see how it is not obvious that a woman must be able to retain the freedom to make individual choices regarding her body at all times if we are to continue to call this country free.

Message: Sorry Im so quiet but im bushed, Ive been busy working. How is LVD and his ally Zippy. The three of us arent the three stoooges are we? Hello Mrs Goddess And Hello my dear Editor. Well now for the good news The Rebooblicans are out there yapping away on TV. Must be their last Hurrah, cause the Right Wingers are dead wrong about our illustrious Mr. President. He vanquished that little Dictator Mylesvitch. He did a magnificent job. No American Blood was s[o;;ed Maybe we should have stay on (with an ammendment by two thirds of the people) for another four years in White House. One thing is certain the next President wont be as good as President Clinton is. Great Job Mr. President. Has anyone asked George W. Bush to write an essay on what family values are yet? Maybe Murphy Brown could help him out like she did for Dan Quayle. Here we go again the Year 20000 Pat Buchanan and the winter oylimpics in New Hamphire next winter. First we will have the trudge thru the snow walkathon, then the talkaton, then the debatesathon, and of course the TV Sound Bites a thon. And you thought E-Mail junk mail was bad.

Message: Is the statute up on your crime? If not if you give me your address I will be happy to purge you of any remaining issues you may have with the criminal act you committed by allowing you the privelege of serving 25 to life to help you purge your remorse with payment of your debt. The fact remains that you committed a crime and I did not.

Message: I have also noticed that many of you who choose to respond in the negative to my pro-choice views do so with no moniker. Why is that?

Message: CNN is calling the two candidates, Al Gore and George W Bush, tweedle dee and tweedle dum. How about Twinky and Winky.

Message: I have also noticed that many of you who choose to respond in the negative to my pro-choice views do so with no moniker. Why is that?

Message: CNN (Clinton News Network) is a liberal media if ever there was one. Check out Fox News Network sometime for an opposing or more conservative slant on current events. CNN may have been one of the first news networks to appear, but it is certainly NOT the be-all and end-all of opinion or fact either one in America. Luckily there are those reporters and networks around who have abandoned the liberal media that is leading this country to HELL in a handbasket.

Message: In answer to question because they are cowards thats why! Good on criticism but bad on concern for others then themselves.

Message: Murdocks far out TV Fox News. Sorry I grew up on responsible TV not Entertainment first News Last Programing, like Fox news. And besides you can't have it both ways knock the Rebooblicans on their Abortion stance then say you dont like the Liberals. Who are you for the Libertarions or Ross Perot? Chantilly Lace. Yours truly, Bugs

Message: Leather: Whinning? Would that be whining or winning? Try pasting your responses into Word before you print them and it will let you know what words you use that are nonexistant in the English language. And I don't have one what? Please try to make sense when you speak. It is so much more useful for making replies.

Bugs: My views are more Republican in the political arena including my desire to protect my hard won financial situation. In the personal arena, they are more along the lines of a Democrat. And I am most certainly not a Libertarian. I believe their definition of personal freedoms crosses into the arena of trampling on the rights of others far more often than they would like to believe. As for Ross Perot, he is a Democrat right? He is certainly the reason Clinton is in office. His entry and exit into the election of 1992 was certainly the reason Clinton got elected. (I wonder what Clinton paid him for that fiasco...perhaps one day the powers that be will investigate Perotgate.) Come to think of it, I think I am just a person who likes to make up her mind on each issue as it arises instead of having a profession that is notorious for its corruption (politics) do it for me. I like to believe I am a good person, despite my history of murdering my child ...as it were.

Message: While I could stick any moniker up here, including "chantilly lace" or "bug bunny", the lack of any moniker is not indicative of any "cowardice". Anyway, instead of making attack on the person, I suggest that a debate on the issues is the more appropriate course of action.

Chantilly, you were called to the floor and asked to respond to criticism to your incredibly silly assertion that killing your unborn child was in the child's best interest.

I don't care what title, Republican or Democrat, you use, the reality is that, while killing the child was convenient for you, it was not in the best interest of the child.

BTW : BUGS, If you are not a coward, tell this forum a few facts about you such as your real name, your age, and your level of education. I am dying to know! Odds are you never made it through the fifth grade.

Message: My name is Delmus Reeson and im 57 years old and while i never graduated from shool, its because i spent most of my adult life in handicaped instatutions. fortunately social security pays me a good living and i live in florida, mostly alone. I am incontitent but there are worse things on earth like bad spelling like Dan Quayle hes an idjut.

Message: Day 1 - conception takes place. * 7 days - tiny human implants in mother's uterus. * 10 days - mother's menses stop. * 18 days - heart begins to beat. * 21 days - pumps own blood through separate closed circulatory system with own blood type. * 28 days - eye, ear and respiratory system begin to form. * 42 days - brain waves recorded, skeleton complete, reflexes present. * 7 weeks - photo of thumbsucking. * 8 weeks - all body systems present. * 9 weeks - squints, swallows, moves tongue, makes fist. * 11 weeks - spontaneous breathing movements, has fingernails, all body systems working. * 12 weeks - weighs one ounce. * 16 weeks - genital organs clearly differentiated, grasps with hands, swims, kicks, turns, somersaults, (still not felt by the mother.) * 18 weeks - vocal cords work - can cry. * 20 weeks - has hair on head, weighs one pound, 12 inches long. * 23 weeks - 15% chance of viability outside of womb if birth premature.* * 24 weeks - 56% of babies survive premature birth.* * 25 weeks - 79% of babies survive premature birth.* (*Source: M. Allen et. al., "The Limits of Viability." New England Journal of Medicine. 11/25/93: Vol. 329, No. 22, p. 1597.)

Message: *Saline Amniocentesis* ... This once-common method of abortion is now used only when gestation passes the sixteen-week mark. During the procedure, a long needle is inserted through the mother's abdomen and directly into the child's amniotic sac. A solution of concentrated salt is then injected into the fluid there. The child breathes in, swallowing the poisonous salt. After about an hour of convulsing and struggling, the child is overcome and the mother goes into labor. About a day later she will deliver a corpse. Not surprisingly, complications are common and include uterine rupture, pulmonary thromboembolism, disseminated intravascular coagulation (a dangerous blood clotting disorder), hypernatremia, erosive gastritis, hemolytic anemia, hemoglobinuria, and acute renal failure

Message: You should stop your silly rebooblican nonsense. You make up this lies and think we the inteligent americans buy this stuff. Boo on you! your just trying to unfairly disparige my duely elected president.

Message: That last one was too much. You're REALLY W-W-J letting off a little lunacy steam. You're great in your own Bugsian way.

Message: what in tarnation are you saying. my names not delmus, its frank and i do live in florida and so im not incontinant since i live in America. i dont have alot of education but im a zillion times smarter than you.

Message: Okay, it's been difficult getting into character of late. Not enough poon I guess. Make W-W-J angry like any rebooblican. I'll see you all in a week. I got me a shagolicious babe comming in from Dallas. She'll make me an excellent ex-wife.

Message: how is it that a dumb ol rebooblican can tell the random rantings of one uneducated psicotic from another. was it the spelling?

Message: Yesterday, scientists for the USDA suggested that men should take a look at their beer consumption, considering the results of a recent analysis that revealed the presence of female hormones in beer. The theory is that drinking beer makes men turn into women.

To test the finding, 100 men were fed 6 pints of beer each. It was then observed that 100% of the men gained weight, talked excessively without making sense, became overly emotional, couldn't drive, failed to think rationally, argued over nothing, and refused to apologize when wrong.

Message: I don't have anything really important to say today but I am gonna say what is on my mind anyways, so deal with it. For all you people that come here and rant and rave about how horrible Hillary Clinton is and how bad she would be at this and how she sucks at what she stands for and what she does, go piss up a rope. I mean do you honestly think that verbally bashing someone behind their backs, on the internet none the less, is really going to solve anything? Are you taking a big, huge stand for what you believe in? No I don't think so. If you are really unhappy why the hell don't you mail the White House, or your govenor or some shit and try to make your opinions and complaints heard on a more substantial level. I mean really here it doesn't make that much difference one way or the other. You can agree, disagree, or blow it out your ass and people like Hillary wouldn't know none the wiser, because she doesn't care and doesn't come on and look at internet sites for comments or complaints. I personally think that Hillary Clinton is an excellent woman, she is strong and brave, brave in the sense that she still has the courage to go on when she has a country full of people who hate her and comment on it here. Honestly though this is a question for the people on this site. Do you think, that she actually cares that you hate her when there are a lot of Democrates who think she is great? I mean I wouldn't. In conclusion, I think Hillary is super and democrates all the way!!! P.S. I haven't been here to read for a few days so as for the whole thing about Abortion and Rape being a choice! I WAS RAPED WHEN I WAS 18! IT WAS HORRIBLE AND I THINK THAT WHO EVER WROTE THAT RAPING WAS ALSO A CHOICE, "MAYBE IT IS RIGHT AND MAYBE IT IS WRONG" I MEAN COME ON! THAT IS A HORRIBLE THING TO SAY! I DID INFACT ALSO GET AN ABORTION AFTER THAT. THINK OF ME WHAT YOU WILL! i HAVE COME TO TERMS WITH MY DECISION. RAPE IS NEVER RIGHT!!!! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!

Look, she was a little "slow" and lived with her parents, was dependent upon her parents. Since she couldn't support herself, she really wasn't human or a person, just a "product of conception." Do you think I care about your "southern baptist" morality? The bottom line is it was my CHOICE. You don't have one, so it can't be your CHOICE. Who are you to tell ME what my CHOICE should be! CHOICE is the issue and the only issue.

By the way Lilly, you were raped and then had an abortion, when did two wrongs make a right? Why give a third party the death sentence for someone elses CHOICE?

Message: Blessed are all who fear the LORD, who walk in his ways. You will eat the fruit of your labor; blessings and prosperity will be yours. Your wife will be like a fruitful vine within your house; your sons will be like olive shoots around your table. Thus is the man blessed who fears the LORD. May the LORD bless your from Zion all the days of your life; may you see the prosperity of Jerusalem, and may you live to see your children's children. Peace be upon Israel.

Message: So what you are saying is it would have been better to bring a retarded child with spina bifida into the world rather than have an abortion? And, who, pray tell would have taken care of this child for all of its days on earth?

Leather: Dear, I'm going to have to ignore you or I will cease to be a lady. I'm sure your motives are pure, but your analogies are ridiculous.

Message: I mean do you honestly think that verbally bashing someone behind their backs, on the internet none the less, is really going to solve anything?

I'd do it to their faces and I mean real constructive criticism. Sure beats the mindless sycophantic drivel by Democrats that belies the Clinton's true nature.

When people say that you're a self centered person who has no idea about what is "best for the child" statements like this reinforce that perception. First, at worst in your situation, there was no birth defect but a heightened possibility of birth defects due to various medications. Second, those particular medications could be substituted with less dangereous drugs. Third, the statement is totally concerned with the burdens of caring for a potentially handicapped child and assumes that because a child is going to be a pain in the ass, we have the right to kill it. Compassion? Under your theory, why don't we take all those handicapped people around the country and kill them all (just before we rip out all the ramped handicapped entrances and bathrooms). Then , let's march into the old folks homes and relieve them and society of the burden of their existences. After all, its too much to ask of the rest of us.

Look, I'm not saying that there are no reasons to justify abortion. Cases like rape do give rise to issues of true choice, although morally not dispositive. Also, there does come a time when the most serious of birth defects do give rise to quality of life issues where a child may be better off dead.

So far, however, your entire argument has been on the justification that having a child might pose various inconveniences. Compassion?

Message: In conclusion, I think Hillary is super and democrates all the way!

Technically, this statement was not a conclusion, or does not even rises to a the level of a summary. It's just one of many loosely related statements. To be a conclusion, you should first support the idea with something other than gratitutious statements and ad hominem attacks. We, the vast Right Wing Conspirators would be glad to debate you on the issues and do it on an inpersonal basis using fact, logic, and compassion.

Oh, yes, I guess you missed it but the "RAPE" message by Leather Dude was in all likelihood a parody on Chantilly lace's argument. By substituting the term Rape" for "abortion", the idea was to show the meaningless nature of Chantilly's argument. Personally, unlike Leather Dude I might sat that there are times when abortion may be the best option in light of all the particular circumstances. However, like Leather Dude, I despise the convenience argument and the intellectual laziness supporting it.

First Invisible Frog - I like your style and use of Latin text (that really confuses the liberals - they think Latin has something to do with "Living la vida loca"). I would like extend to you a warm welcome to the forum - since you are not a venom filled lunatic liberal that can't say three words without one of them being the f-word form of "to copulate", the editor will likely not welcome you (but I will). Nice moniker.

You are a liar, LVD This is an unfair attack on the editor who welcomed you to the forum, including Zippy, W-W-J and others too numerous to mention.

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Message: news I see people "discussing" the news media, saying one is good and one is bad.
Just thought I would throw my two cents in.
We live in a society where you have a choice of products and services to use. This basically creates supply/demand, yaddi yaddi yadda.
Anyway, to get to the point, the news IS a service (paper of course is product too) and in that whole economic mumbo jumbo, it is market driven.
In other words, what you want is what you get. Not to say what you want is the truth, you don't buy all those fat reducing pills and ridiculous
exercising equipment, do you America? Nahhh.

(until he insulted me again with his unrestrainable urge to put people down)

Witch Hazel - there are ways to medically treat dementia. Hearing voicing, talking to Elvis, and reading messages to this forum that never existed can be treated.

Maybe when you see a doctor - you can also get them to give you a transplanted sense of humor.

I wish more people would be upfront with their opinions rather than resort to personal attacks when others express themselves.

Talk about irony! (have ever posted a message toward me that DID NOT contain a personal attack?)

The "Friends of Hillary" web page is doing a poll on if she should run:
http://www.us.net/indc/hilhome.htm

BTW - on this Democrat site the poll numbers show a majority DO NOT want Hillary to run (so much for "the people drafted me" hype)

Message: If Hillarry could not help the poor and the underpreviledged in her seven years as president's wife, I think she and her husband have found that it is only in New York you can find the foolish voters who may be so foolish to elect her. However I think she is ambitious and sure she gonna colapse like a pack of cards at the election come 2000.There are lots of important things to reminmd Bill to do for the undwere previledged than running for senatorial seat.

Message: i have been putting up with the clintons for 8 years,now the people from up north who say we are stupid,well it's time for them to think about voting for someone who never lived in the state.damn,they say we are dumb...roflmao one last statement if algore had won tennesse ,he would have won without fla,hell he couldn't even win the clinton's old home state of arkansas!! my last statement is....THE CLINTONS ARE ONE POWER HUNGRY COUPLE WITH NO MORALES AND DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANYONE...AMERICA....WAKE UP!!!!

Message: Hillary I do pray that you run my cousin Mike McCurry told me that you were as smart as they come I pleade with you to run Please feel free to call on me if you decide to run For i can do a lot in the south Thanks Jim

Message: Speaking as an English student of politics here in London.........who is Hilery Clinton ????

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