HILLARY WILL HAND GIULIANI HIS HEAD IN LANDSLIDE VICTORY! -- POOR GUY IS NO MATCH AGAINST "SEXIEST WOMAN ALIVE"

Giuliani doesn't have a chance.

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Name: Wall Streeter

email: taxdollars@gov.org

Message: The White House acknowledged yesterday that taxpayers are picking up the tab for Hillary Rodham Clinton's frequent New York jaunts -- but insisted the trips are official First Lady business. Holy limo rides Batman, and John Sununu was such a bad guy...

Name: Fudd to Visionary

email: Your right, it is.

Message: Yes, we are fast approaching an era when we will be the engineers of our own body chemistry.

Guess i should clarify that.  I meant recreational usage.

Name: LLOYD BENSON

email: BBEN@CSPACE

Message: Q: DID YOU HEAR THAT SOMEONE THREW A BOTTLE OF BEER AT CLINTON? A: YES, BUT IT'S OK. IT WAS A DRAFT AND HE WAS ABLE TO DODGE IT.

Name: Visionary to Fudd

email: Define Recreation?

Message: When we are engineers of our own body chemistry we will determine, from the data, what to put into our bodies and what to take out according to the sophisticated feedback we receive. People will naturally choose whatever it takes for optimum health and wellbeing.

In this scenario the difference between recreation and wellbeing will be moot.

The world it is a'changing.

Name: Visionary to Fudd

email: Abortion will be moot too

Message: To add to my earlier message: the question of whether abortion should be legal or not will also be moot. Both males and females will simply order the right combination of drugs, to be pumped into their systems, to either be fertile or infertile. They will turn the switches on or off at will.

If there is anything else you want to know about the future I will be happy to give you that information, if it is in my crystal ball.

Name: Last Visible Dog to Editor

email:

Message:

I would like to praise - NAY - exult you to highest firmament (or something like that) for not packing (front-loading) forum 88 with pro-Hillary statements that were not actually posted by anyone. I have been quick to jump on you for thinks I feel are wrong and so I want to be equally quick at praising you when you do something that is praiseworthy (IMHO). I think this effort will go a lone way toward helping to make the discourse more civil. While I can only speak for myself, I would get pretty tweaked when I arrived at a new forum that was magically filled with pro-Hillary posts that have been copy over and over to fill the first quarter of every forum - with this as a starting point, I had a chip on my shoulder to begin with. Editor - I am very happy you have decided to let the chips fall where that may. Good Job!

-LVD

Name: GEORGE S.

email: GS@USA

Message: BILL IS SEEN LEAVING THE WHITEHOUSE ONE AFTERNOON WITH A PUPPY ON A LEASH. A BYSTANDER HOLLERS "GOOD LOOKING DOG, MR.PRESIDENT". BILL SMILES AND RESPONDS "THANKS. I GOT HIM FOR HILLARY". THE BYSTANDER SHOUTS BACK "NICE TRADE!"

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email: to heartless conservatives about abortion

Message: Think of the children! Killing them is by far the most kind of all the alternatives.

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email:

Message: If both females and males have the ability to decide, in privacy, whether they want to be fertile or infertile, where would unwanted babies come from? Every baby born in the US would be wanted.

I guess this would mean all children are had by choice.

And this will mean that the women's movement will no longer argue abortion as a pro-choice stance since all conceptions will be a matter of choice.

Name: Wall Streeter

email: pray@god.org

Message: but new york,
But Hillary has just announced that St. Patrick's Cathedral is her favorite place of worship!?!

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email: SleazeBoy makes a good point...

Message:

THE FIRST LADY'S LITTLE PROBLEM
By DICK MORRIS

Hillary Clinton's lack of any connection with New York state, except her desire for us to send her to Washington, has been trivialized recently as "the carpetbagger issue." In fact, her decision to land in New York in order to be elected to the Senate is far more than a mere issue. It represents a fundamental assault on our most basic idea of representative democracy.

Hillary would make a good senator. Just not from New York. Our entire legislative system is based on the idea of geographic constituencies. We do not follow the British system in which location and residence don't much matter. In England, it is customary for prominent national party figures to seek out friendly constituencies to represent in Parliament. They need not live there or have any geographic connection. The local Labor or Tory Party usually welcomes their candidacy as a way to maximize their area's influence in party circles.

But the legislative branch in the United States is founded on a quite different set of assumptions. Because of our federal system of government, our tradition requiring a clear local nexus for a Congressional candidate is fundamental to our idea of democracy. Hillary's blatant disregard of this concept would set a precedent that is deeply unwise and dangerous for our system of government.

Bobby Kennedy and Jim Buckley are often cited as examples of earlier senators who did not come from New York. But Kennedy grew up in New York state. His connection with us was as clear as is Hillary's with Illinois. Jim Buckley lived a few miles over the state line in Sharon, Connecticut. Indeed, his brother Bill was enough of a New Yorker to run for mayor.

Hillary's pretensions to having loved New York all her life are just convenient fabrications. I have been one of the three or four New Yorkers who she has known best in her life. Never, never did she comment on the state or city to me, ask any questions about it, or show any interest in its people, culture or politics. Not once.

Gail Collins, writing on The New York Times editorial page last week, mused that New Yorkers might forgive Hillary's recent arrival because they are so used to newcomers who settle here in mid-life. New Jersey Sen. Bob Torricelli characterized Hillary's decision to move to New York as her first adult act. Without blushing, this Hillary sycophant said that the First Lady had grown up in Chicago because her parents lived there. She moved to Arkansas because her husband lived there, and now she is coming to New York as the first state of her own choosing.

Neither of these justifications hold water. New Yorkers indeed welcome immigrants. It is one of our most enlightened features. But Hillary does not want to join us. She will agree to live with us only if we send her to Washington. We are no more than a launching pad.

Of Metternich, the Austrian premier, it was once said that he regarded Austria as a diplomatic term, not as a place to come from. Hillary sees New York in much the same vein.

The very idiocy of the justifications for the outrage of a person presuming to run for senator from a state in which she has never lived shows how transparent a fraud it really is. Is there really any sensible or even sensate human in our borders who actually believes that the First Lady would grace us with her residence if there were no Senate vacancy? Is there a New Yorker gullible enough to believe that she had inclined toward or even vaguely considered moving here before Sen. Daniel P. Moynihan decided to hang it up?

Will we be fooled? The more frequently Hillary visits our state, will we come to forget that she is not one of us? Some have even suggested that the estrangement between downstate and upstate New York makes any candidate, from either section, a bit of a carpetbagger in the other. Will Hillary seem not all that unusual?

We won't be fooled. When Hillary poses in a Yankee hat, it turns our stomachs. Cosmopolitan Manhattanites who feel more connected to Zurich than to Brooklyn will wonder why the First Lady meets with a wall of rejection. But the chutzpah she shows in thinking she can put one over on us exposes why we must and will reject her.

Do we need a senator who is one of us? The Masters of the Universe who work on Wall Street and seek seven-figure incomes don't. But those of us who live in Nassau and take the Long Island Rail Road every day would so much like our senator to know what the LIRR is. People who live in Rome, New York, would value a senator who did not think their town was located in Italy. The men and women who need a senator will want one we can call our own.

The plain fact is that if Hillary can run and win in New York, anyone can run from anywhere. We might as well elect our senators and congressmen at-large and randomly assign them geographic turf to represent. The multi-millionaire will not only be able to buy a seat, but will be able to choose his state at will. The arrogance of wealth and power will have found its ultimate expression. Pick a state. Any state. And run. They'll never know the difference. They're too dumb.

Name: Californian to Dick Morris

email: Been there --- done that -- in California

Message: "The multi-millionaire will not only be able to buy a seat, but will be able to choose his state at will."

Dick, you need to live in California, on the leading edge, for a while if you want to make sociological or political predictions. Here, and not in DC, is where you can see the future:

California has already had, not one, but TWO billionaire carpetbaggers try for Senator and Governor of our Golden State and we whipped them both. The first one was poor old (what-his-name)Huffington, the ex-husband of infamous Adriana. He tried to beat Senator Diane Feinstein with his own $30 million dollars of negative adverting. Then came (what's-his-name-the CEO of Northwest Airlines)ha, ha, ha, nobody in our office can remember his name!!! Well this CEO of NWA spent $50 million in the worst negative campaign in our history and lost to Govenor Gray Davis who had the smallest budget with no negative advertising.

So much for your predictions Dick. Hillary may have an uphill battle in New York as an outsider, but she will not be setting a predecent which will send our political system to hell in and handbasket.

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email:

Message: Bugs, where are ya?

We could use your rational, well thought out opinion on this stuff! Are you a politician somewhere or do you just do public policy for fun?

Name: Editor to LVD

email:

Message: Jeepers, LVD -- You have complimented me in two separate messages within 24 hours. I'm not sure whether I'm ready for this much flattery from you! But thanks anyway, and keep 'em coming.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email: re: Been there --- done that -- in California

Message:

I'm confused. In your post you seem to say that carpet-bagging billionaires were properly trounced in California and then say that you want one to win in New York? Huh? Why should New Yorkers want one when Californians don't?

Also, Dick Morris indicated that he was only concerned that if she won it would set a bad precedent. Quote: "The plain fact is that if Hillary can run and win in New York, anyone can run from anywhere."

The central theme of that piece, IMHO, was that Representatives need to be from the place they want to Represent. Do you disagree? Can anyone from anywhere represent anyone from anywhere as well as someone from there (parse that!)?

As Dick says : Because of our federal system of government, our tradition requiring a clear local nexus for a Congressional candidate is fundamental to our idea of democracy. Hillary's blatant disregard of this concept would set a precedent that is deeply unwise and dangerous for our system of government.

What part of that statement would you disagree with and why? (I think it's dead on target. You guys would have a bloody fit if some Rich Southern Conservative managed to get some serious dirt on your Local Liberal and won an election. You'd be screaming "Evil Carpet-Bagger!" or am I off base here?)

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email: to Zippy, LVD

Message: Gentlemen,

I would deeply appreciate it if you both would stop from disparaging Hillary. On the off-chance don't dump her after I get out of office, I'm gonna' hafta' live with her and her nasty little moods that you just make worse. Not that she's NOT in a permanent nasty mood anyway....

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email:

Message: It's not that I don't appreciate Hillary and all, but let's face it, despite that "Sexiest Woman in America" crap her real poll numbers (meaning the number on times I've "polled" her) are poor. While her election potential is amazingly high, her erection potential is pretty piss poor....

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email: to LVD

Message: The liberal editors are absolutely correct. DESPITE ALL MY EFFORTS on the part of Children to bolster family values and morality, the little buggers are all going to shag like rabbits every chance they get.

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email:

Message: After I dump hillary, I think I'll start with the mega-babe and actress Markie Post. She's cute, got a GREAT set of cans, and none too bright....

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email:

Message: The Columbine murders just applied your lunatic logic on sexuality to other aspects of life such as aggression and anger. Actually, I think lack of poon caused the Columbine murders. Lack of poon can drive most men off the edge. I know when I've gone...a bit too long without I bomb a third world nation. Last spring I went a month without and, well dang, next thing you know I've spent 80 BILLION DOLLARS on an invasion in the Balkans!

Lack of poon! Dangerous!

Name: Editor to Wee-Willey-Jeff

email:

Message: Lack of poon! Right on! You get another "A" for this message. Just what we needed on this forum - a good sense of humor. Thanks.

Name: Last Visible Dog

email:

Message:

Damn, I was right - the editor is in rare form. Even the piece-maker Zippy has given up on her. I still think happy hour came early today on the banks of the San Francisco bay.

Has the feces hit the fan or what?

"All you need is love..."

come on - everybody sing:

"we are the world..."

-LVD P>

Name: Hillary Clinton's trip to North Africa

email: Nambv@aol.com

Message: As Hillary Clinton traveled to Northern Africa, I noticed that she didn't go to Algeria or Libya. Why didn't she go to Algeria. It is a beautiful country. Also, has anyone from the Clinton Administration ever gone to Algeria or Libya for tourism and sightseeing purposes?

Thanks.

Name: HILLARY CAMPAIGN

email: ASIF11980@aol.com

Message: IF HILLARY NEEDS PEOPLE TO WORK ON HER CAMPAIGN PLEASE E-MAIL ME.

Name: Reality Check

email: Hillary is "pro choice/pro woman"

Message: Magdalena, age 23, had an abortion on December 8, 1994, by [abortionist John Roe 209]. During the procedure, Roe 209 said that he knew he had "screwed up" when he had difficulty removing fetal parts, and noticed that he had perforated Magdalena's uterus and removed parts of her bowel. Because she was bleeding profusely, Roe 209 called a hospital and asked for directions to send Magdalena there by car. He called an ambulance only when instructed to do so by the hospital staff. However, there was a half-hour delay between when the hospital was called and when an ambulance was called, during which Roe 209 performed abortions on other patients. Upon reaching the abortion clinic, paramedics found Magdalena lying in a pool of blood on the floor in ventricular fibrillation, with no pulse. She had no vital signs upon arrival at the hospital, was unresponsive, and had fixed and dilated pupils. A massive amount of blood was found when she was opened for surgery . . . During surgery, a female fetus, estimated by the surgeons to be of approximately 30 weeks gestation, was removed. Magdalena did not survive the surgery, and her death was attributed to "complications of the acute pelvic injuries which consisted of lacerations of the lower uterus, vagina, bladder, and colon." (Sources: San Diego Reader 12/13/94; San Diego Union-Tribune 12/13/94, 12/17/94; Orange County Register 12/15/94; Santa Monica Outlook 12/94; Los Angeles Times 3/21/95)

Name: Reality Check

email: What liberals won't tell you

Message: If you're in a crisis pregnancy and you need any kind of help -- call the numbers below to reach caring counselors who understand your situation. They're ready to help you understand all your options and help locate counselors, food, money, shelter and more in your local community. Help is just a phone call away! You can call these hotline numbers 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Bethany Christian Services 1-800-238-4269 ... Pregnancy Hotline 1-800-848-LOVE (1-800-848-5683) ... America's Crisis Pregnancy Helpline 1-800-67-BABY-6 (1-800-672-2296) ... Nurturing Network 1-800-866-4MOM (1-800-866-4666) ... Care Net 1-703-478-5661

Name: Reality Check

email: Even Madonna knows

Message: When she saw her daughter on ultrasound, Madonna said: "I was stunned when I saw on the ultrasound a tiny, living creature spinning around in my womb. Tap-dancing, I think. Waving its tiny arms around and trying to suck its thumb. I could have sworn I heard it laughing." Madonna said this after seeing her then pre-born child on ultrasound when she visited her OB-GYN. Moments like these are awe-inspiring for mothers and fathers.

Name: Reality Check

email: Hillary is NOT Mother Teresa

Message: Mother Teresa: "The greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion, which is war against the child. The mother doesn't learn to love, but kills to solve her own problems. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want."

Name: Reality Check

email:

Message: Oh, I'm on the editor's enemy list now!

Name: Rules of the Game to Reality Check

email: BEWARE: The-Seeds-we-Plant

Message: How nice to have you again on this forum again. I see you brought your ES(Evil Seed) with you tonight. Are you aware that you are trying to plant an ES tonight? You may not be, so I will introduce you to some of the rules on this forum. I forgive you in advance, and hope that you refrain from further distribution.

DEFINING THE RULES:
RULE(1) Twisting the Truth is the name of the ES you are trying to plant tonight. You want our readers to believe that liberals will prevent people from reaching caring counselors, and if it wasn't for the wonderful, loving person that you are, our readers would not be so fortunate as to find such vital information on this liberal forum. We liberals would just stand and watch those poor slobs suffer. You even want our readers to believe that we liberals would even go further and actively block access to this information because "we won't tell you."

Reality Check, who gave us liberals the responsibility of making sure you get the specific message you ordered? Who planted the ER in your head that we liberals would not want such information in our Forum? Where are your teachers that taught you this stuff? Why come in peace when you can create ill will? Is this what they taught you? Am I on target here or would you care to make some adjustments?

Name: CHASTITY RULES

email: ORDERS

Message: Every child conceived MUST be born. Every child born MUST be supported. Every sexually active unmarried adult (SAUA) will be responsible for every child born out of wedlock. If the mother does not do a good enough job she can get a lot of help from SAUA conscriptees. Nobody get's out of this job. Every sexually active adult will pay a tithe into a pool which ensures that every child born will have a full life.

Put your money where your mouth is SAUAs. Own up to your responsibilities, not just to your own children, that's easy, but to every child you forced into this world by whatever means.

Name: Hillary Rodham Clinton

email:

Message: It Takes a Village to raise ALL children. Parents need only raise theirs.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email: The Gloves are Off.

Message:

Every sexually active unmarried adult (SAUA) will be responsible for every child born out of wedlock.

Why? Should I be Responsible for other peoples mistakes or should they pay for them themselves. Are you saying no one is responsible for their own actions? What a world that would be. Just imagine the rewrite our judicial system would need; The People vs. The People would be on EVERY CASE! Just collecting the fines could prove nearly impossible!

...every child you forced into this world by whatever means.

Short of Rape no one "forces" anyone to make a baby. You're showing your true colors here. First it's "no consequenses for my actions" and now it's "we all share the blame for every mistake"? Childish beyond words. By that Logic each of us should share in the Sentences being served by all Murderers. Assinine. Dodging Responsibility. Socialist, Collective, Anti-Individual Garbage. Murder is Murder and only the Murderer is Responsible. Period. Try again. (You'll fail, but go ahead and try.)

You want our readers to believe that liberals will prevent people from reaching caring counselors

Mindreading again huh? Evidence please? Reality Check never charged you with any responsibility (knowing that would be pointless). Instead he took the responsibility himself and posted information that might save lives. Are you against saving lives? Are you against others doing things that might save lives? Where did Reality Check accuse you of having any responsibility for this? "Evil Seed" is believing others do good things just to hurt you! Grow up, you're not the center of the Universe.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to Reality Check

email:

Message:

Thanks for the Mother Teresa quote. I checked; It's authentic and it's wonderful.

Hey Libs, what do you have against Mother Teresa? I'd trust her wisdom WAY before yours.

"Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love but to use violence to get what they want. This is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion."
    - Mother Teresa

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to Editors

email:

Message:

Just noticed the scrolling banner at the top of the page. Except for the laughable message the banner is way cool. The look keeps getting more professional, now if we could just get the content up to the same standards.

Name: Zippy the Wondering if this will work Slug

email:

Message: Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love but to use violence to get what they want. This is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion. - Mother Teresa

Name: Bugs

email:

Message: All you Conservatives can do or say is Abortion Abortion Abortion. what you dont tell us is how to make the country better. I know a good way. Vote Democratic in the next 3-4 elections and save Social Security and Medicare. George W Bush another rich big shot who is only for the rich people to get richer. Gosh another Arguette family or is it the Partridge family. Please help us get some good people into Government and get those darn hypocrites out.

Name: Bugs

email:

Message: Definition of a Liberal is a caring person. Definition of right wingers is a rascist who is against gays blacks social security and the middle class working people. They unite and talk phoney baloney ideas with the aid of reliqous groups. This is a no no in this country. Go to Iran Pat Robertson. You too Rush, and Livingston. In fact the whole CCC should go on a journey to countries and see that politics mixed with religion does not and never will work. You are exposed CCC tough Even the Irs said you are not a tax-emempt group but a political action group. Poor Pat Robertson. Poor Dan Quayle does he need spell check. Poor Rebooblicans and poor LVD and his henchman Zippy the un wonder slug. Don't they know we are wise to these fakirs by now.

Name: gh

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Name: gh

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Name: Fudd 2 Visionary

email: BTW:I shot bugs, that wabbit

Message:     Define Recreation?
 
    If you can't properly define what a recreational drug is, how the hell can you tell me the future?
Let me help you a little.  A recreational drug is one that is used for no other beneficial purpose than to provide an altered state of mind in the user.
Need an example?  Marijuana to get high....recreation.   THC  to relieve the pressure behind the eyes for glaucoma ...medical.
Otherwise, why not deal with issues that are on the table TODAY, tomorrow we can deal with the issues of that day.
I assume this is just to skirt the issue.  That is why we blame movies, schools, etc.. for lack of parenting that
leads to violence and drug abuse among our youth.  The real problem is the break down of morals in this country.

    People will naturally choose whatever it takes for optimum health and well being.
 
    Is this why people smoke cigarettes, do crack, have unprotected sex with multiple partners in an AIDS filled world?  naturally.
    This is why cancer will NEVER be cured in our life time.  Let's face it, too many medical professionals would be out of jobs, more people would
collect nonexistent social security, drug companies couldn't charge outrages prices for chemo-drugs, etc.  Come on, wake up.  We live in a capitalist
society, money is king, health and well being is for those who can afford it.  People are naturally greedy.
    Ever see the movie Gattica? (think that was the name)
    That is the future.
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I would love to hear more about the future, but I don't think this is the place.
Sorry if I came off a little strong to you, but people pissed me off at work.
Let me tell ya this one people..
I was saying that if the government really wanted to declare martial law in an american city.  Even with assault rifles and available
to the citizens.  They would probably take over easily because so many people just don't care what happens in this country.
As someone here said, "Then it's too late".  I brought this up because they are about to pass a law that will make magazines that hold larger
amounts of ammo, illegal.  I think that this a major step towards taking viable personal weaponry illegal all together.
So, this guy, who is a resident alien from Canada, says, "I'd just go to Canada.  They can't hold me, I'm not an American citizen."
I asked how he was gonna just leave the area.
He replies, "I'll just load up the car and go."
Why are people so blind?

Posting too much,
Fudd
 

Name: Reality Check

email: The planting of the evil seed

Message: NARAL cofounder and former abortion rights activist Bernard Nathanson: "It was always '5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year.' I confess that I knew the figures were totally false, and I suppose the others did too if they stopped to think of it. But in the 'morality' of our revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics? The overriding concern was to get the laws [against abortion] eliminated, and anything within reason that had to be done was permissible." ... Bernard Nathanson from Aborting America, p. 193 ....... PS Mr. Nathanson also admits that the pre Roe v. Wade figure of 1 million abortions per year was a complete lie as well, more like 98,000. But being off by 10 TIMES the actual number was OK in his "liberal" days.

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email: to smart Bugs Bunny

Message: Definition of a Liberal is a caring person. Definition of right wingers is a rascist who is against gays blacks social security and the middle class working people

EXACTLY RIGHT! The Right wing wants to kill your children, enslave women, and oppress minorities. Liberals just want to save people from themselves. Who better to make decisions for people than the nation's wise leaders in Washington?

Poor Dan Quayle does he need spell check.

Ding-Dang, Straight, fella'. Dumb ol' Dan, that's what he is. Oh, by the way, Bugs, it's:
"racist", not "rascist"
"phony", not "phoney"
"religious", not "reliqous"
"tax-exempt" , not "tax-emempt"

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Name: al gore

email: deadhead@whitehouse.dingdong

Message: IT'S 2:00AM, AND MR. CLINTON ARRIVES HOME LATE!....HILLARY:DAMN IT BILL, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!.....BILL: OUT IN THE WHITE HOUSE GARDEN FERTILIZING MY FLOWERS................................................................. ***************************************************************************

Name: Fudd

email: to funny!!

Message:  
Clinton, Post-Lewinsky, Says He Earned Public Trust

                WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Clinton, basking in the NATO air victory in Kosovo Friday, disputed those who said last year's Monica Lewinsky scandal
                had eroded his moral authority to marshal U.S. support for the war.

Asked in a television interview whether his critics were wrong to assert that the sex-and-impeachment case had whittled away public trust, Clinton replied, ``Oh, I think so.''

And when asked specifically in the interview on PBS about a comment by Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Nebraska Republican, that ``This president has debased the one currency we each have in
this business and that's trust,'' Clinton had a simple reply.

``I think that's pretty self-serving,'' he said.

Clinton said some members of the Republican Party had attacked him personally for years. ``And on one occasion, much to my eternal regret, I gave them a little ammunition.

``But I have been trustworthy in my public obligations to the American people, and I have been trustworthy in my dealings with them,'' Clinton said.

He did not mention Lewinsky by name, but a memorable January 1998 PBS interview featured Clinton's denial of any improper relationship with the former White House intern.

By last August, he acknowledged the relationship; he was impeached by the House in December on charges stemming from his attempt to cover up the affair. The Senate acquitted him
in February.

Of his Republican critics, Clinton said, ``The truth is, you know, those folks ought to lighten up.''
 

Name: Dick Morris

email: DM@OUTERSPACE

Message: HILLARY: YOUR A DAM FOOL TO RUN FOR OFFICE IN NEW YORK.......THE PRESS WILL RAKE YOU OVER THE COALS.....GO BACK TO LITTLE ROCK............... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email: Darth Bunnie? "Come over to the Dark Side Zippy..."

Message:

Definition of a Liberal is a caring person. Definition of right wingers is a rascist who is against gays blacks social security and the middle class working people.

And you say we're deluded? Bugs, you either need to increase or decrease you medication drastically if you can't see just how hateful (not to mention untrue) that statement is. Does Mother Teresa fit your little description of a Right Winger? Hmmmm....? (Note to self: Editor failed to lambaste Bugs for blatant hate speech, 6/16/99)

Name: TRUE BLUE

email: TB@USA

Message: ******************************************************************************* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-------------------------------YOU ARE A DISGRACE---------------------------------- -----------------------NEW YORK STATE DOES NOT WELCOME YOU---------------------- ------------------------->>>>>>>BACK TO LITTLE ROCK<<<<<<<<<-------------------- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ********************************************************************************

Name: Wee-Willy-Jeff

email: to Zippy

Message: Zippy, the un-wonder slug! Golly, that's funny! Anyway, Bugs pegged you! You're a....klugeboy? Didn't they replace the brownshirts during NAZI times? Anyway, it's clear you're an angry hate-filled lunatic! You probably voted for Reagan!

Name: W-W-J

email: 2 Zippy

Message: Does the CCC know of any cure for a permanent genital rash? A friend of mine needs to know.

Name: Goddess

email:

Message: The people who post on this forum are repetitive. Forum 88? You could say it all in half that many if you would just knock off the repetition and bullshit. You all say you get hundreds, nay, thousands of hits per day? From whom? The little old lady that lives next door to you. Put a counter on the forum and then I will believe you. I think it's all hype, and hype on a pretty poorly designed forum at that! Get a grip people! You ain't all that!

And why don't you quit beating the abortion horse to death. I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me. Only problem is...the law is on my side. What does that tell you? This goes for the editor and the conservatives and liberals alike. You are all a whiney bunch of spoiled, snot-nosed kids without a clue.

Name: Laurel

email: lv112@gisco.net

Message: Dear Hillary; I know how much you support the children in the US. All I ever wanted to do was to improve the care that children received. I run a Day care center. It's a long story, so I'll make as short as I can. I ran into financial problems at the center and didn't have the heart to close it, I couldn't bear the thought of the children going back to inadequate care. I fell behind in Payroll Taxes. The IRS is haunting me they will not leave me alone, I am on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I want to settle this matter. They are starting to seize things on me now. I don't have the money they are asking for with all the pentalties and interest. Please help, if only with advise.

Name: Wee-Wiley-Jeff

email: to Goddess

Message: And why don't you quit beating the abortion horse to death. I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me. Only problem is...the law is on my side. What does that tell you?

Golley, you're right. Everyone knows that Law is always aligned with the correct public policy THE FIRST TIME and LAWS NEVER NEED BE RETHOUGHT OR CORRECTED. Congress never made a mistake. The Supreme Court never made a mistake. (unless you count the times the Congress passed statutes to correct Supreme court mistakes). And obviously you do have a clue being so right!

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email: to Laurel

Message: Golly, Laurel, I'd like to help, but LEAVED THE IRS ALONE, YOU SELFISH BITCH! Remember it was ME who RAISED TAXES to HELP the children. I need the IRS to collect those "receipts" so I can GIVE YOU THE PEOPLE things you need! I also need the money to pay that $80 to $150 Billion Dollar tab that KOSOVO is going to costs the U.S.

Like Hillary said -- "The Federal Government cannot be responsible for every under-funded business in America."

Have you thought of cattle futures?

Name: Visionary to Fudd

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Message: "A recreational drug is one that is used for no other beneficial purpose than to provide an altered state of mind in the user."

All pain, mental or physical, alters ones state of mind. If all drugs that provide an altered state of mind should be banned then Prozac, Valium,etc., and all the other goodies that the shrink provides to depressives to make them feel better (change their mood) should be banned. Physicians should be banned from using morphine for cancer patients and other pain killers for those in terrible pain. Maybe your dentist should be banned from using novocaine to stop your pain. Coffee should definitely be banned. Ibuprofen, aspirins and tylenol decreases pain and alters ones state of mind. Ban those too? Booze should definitely be banned.

You are falling into the same trap as so many have before you. There isn't a dividing line between recreational drugs and other drugs.

Name: not wanted in ny

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Message: HILLARY GO AWAY...... ,,,,,, ,,, ,

Name: For Zippy the Wonder Slug

email: The Gloves are Off

Message: So you want proof? You failed to read Reality Check's subject heading:
"What liberals won't tell you" The rest of the message is a challenge to his subject heading. Now that you have read the subject heading the rest of the message will make sense.

Name: India

email:

Message: If you think India has a better policy toward the unborn than here in America then you have not been to India. There are 40 million females missing in India? 40 million that never got born were murdered after birth. At least in this country the unborn get equal treatment or mistreatment.

If you ever go to India you will see people who were born on the streets and live out their entire lives on the streets. The streets will be so packed with the homeless that you have to step over them. As soon as you open the doors to leave the airport this will come as a shock to you. No matter how much you prepared for this event it will still be a huge shock.

Name: ABORTION - ANNOUNCEMENT

email: Editors@hillary.org

Message: Discussions on abortion are hereafter banned on this forum. Abortion brings out the worst in everybody. Murdering babies or murdering doctors is murder. No amount of discussion will persuade anyone in any direction. Any message having anything to do with the abortion will be deleted, no matter which side it comes from.

Name: W-W-J

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Message: How many Rebbolicans does it take to change a lightbulb?

Answer : None -- Rebooblicans don't care about change -- they're only interested in keeping the same old status quo of hopelessness, oppression, and bigotry.

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Name: Flattery for W-W-J

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Message: You are a breath of fresh air on this forum. We need a good laugh. I look forward to reading your messages.

Name: W-W-J

email:

Message: How many Democrats does it take to change a lightbulb?

Answer : Eleven in the house, Six in the Senate. Then we'll have the majorities necessary in the legislature so we can pass some meaningful lightbulb legislation for the nation's children.

Name: Last Visible Dog to "Goddess"

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Message:

The Goddess post is likely from the Editor - Why? Yesterday the Editor went on a lunatic rampage and then deleted it all (about 20 messages). If you were lucky enough to catch the Editor's tirade - it was rather entertaining and eye-opening. Anyway during the tirade the editor called me a "spoiled, snot-nosed kid" and strangely enough the "Goddess" used the same stranger terminology to describe everybody that is not pro-baby-death.

Goddess it is pretty simply - the pro-baby-death crowd seems to have a VERY guilty conscience and will do ANYTHING to change the subject like make personal ad hominem attacks (the liberal favorite tool) or say it is moot (or some other nonsense). Goddess - you can not make it go away - you must deal with the ramifications of your position - anybody that supports abortion as a "right" is party to the baby holocaust of abortion. All I ask is that the pro-baby-death people intellectually deal with their position anything less is denial. (BTW - Hitler had the law on his side also, Goddess do you support the actions of Hitler?).

All I am seeking is intellectual debate on a very serious subject that has great ramifications on society (like the cheapening of human life demonstrated at Columbine and other schools across this Pro-Baby-Death country). This is a serious matter - Goddess, if you are not willing to deal with it in a serious manner than this forum would be better off if you posted nothing (just MY opinion).

If you can not ADD to the debate - why do you post?

-LVD

Name: Last Visible Dog to "Visionary"

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Message:

If all drugs that provide an altered state of mind should be banned then Prozac, Valium,etc., and all the other goodies that the shrink provides to depressives to make them feel better (change their mood) should be banned.

I can not speak for Fudd but it look like "Visionary" has the same malady as the Editor - inability to read or understand English. I don't think Fudd ever spoke about banning any drugs.

-LVD

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

email: My secret to winning arguments (plagarized)

Message:

I argue very well. Ask any of my remaining friends. I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me. You too can win arguments. Simply follow these rules:

1. Drink Liquor. (JD)

Suppose you're at a party and some hotshot intellectual is expounding on the economy of Peru, a subject you know nothing about. If you're drinking some health-fanatic drink like grapefruit juice, you'll hang back, afraid to display your ignorance, while the hotshot enthralls your date. But if you drink several large shots of Jack Daniels, you'll discover you have STRONG VIEWS about the Peruvian economy. You'll be a WEALTH of information. You'll argue forcefully, offering searing insights and possibly upsetting furniture. People will be impressed. Some may leave the room.

2. Make things up.

Suppose, in the Peruvian economy argument, you are trying to prove Peruvians are underpaid, a position you base solely on the fact that YOU are underpaid, and you're damned if you're going to let a bunch of Peruvians be better off. DON'T say: "I think Peruvians are underpaid." Say: "The average Peruvian's salary in 1981 dollars adjusted for the revised tax base is $1,452.81 per annum, which is $836.07 before the mean gross poverty level."
NOTE: Always make up exact figures.

If an opponent asks you where you got your information, make THAT up, too. Say: "This information comes from Dr. Hovel T. Moon's study for the Buford Commission published May 9, 1982. Didn't you read it?" Say this in the same tone of voice you would use to say "You left your soiled underwear in my bath house."

3. Use meaningless but weightly-sounding words and phrases.

Memorize this list:

• Let me put it this way
• In terms of
• Vis-a-vis
• Per se
• As it were
• Qua
• So to speak
• well, anyhow
You should also memorize some Latin abbreviations such as "Q.E.D.," "e.g.," and "i.e." These are all short for "I speak Latin, and you do not."

Here's how to use these words and phrases. Suppose you want to say:

"Peruvians would like to order appetizers more often, but they don't have enough money."

You never win arguments talking like that. But you WILL win if you say: "Let me put it this way. In terms of appetizers vis-a-vis Peruvians qua Peruvians, they would like to order them more often, so to speak, but they do not have enough money per se, as it were. Q.E.D."

Only a fool would challenge that statement.

4. Use snappy and irrelevant comebacks.

You need an arsenal of all-purpose irrelevent phrases to fire back at your opponents when they make valid points. The best are:

You're begging the question.
You're being defensive.
Don't compare apples and oranges.
What are your parameters?

This last one is especially valuable. Nobody, other than mathematicians, has the vaguest idea what "parameters" means.

Here's how to use your comebacks:

        You say:                As Abraham Lincoln said in 1873...
        Your opponent says:     Lincoln died in 1865.
        You say:                You're begging the question.

                             OR

        You say:                Liberians, like most Asians...
        Your opponent says:     Liberia is in Africa.
        You say:                You're being defensive.

5. Compare your opponent to Adolf Hitler.

This is your heavy artillery, for when your opponent is obviously right and you are spectacularly wrong. Bring Hitler up subtly. Say: "That sounds suspiciously like something Adolf Hitler might say" or "You certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler."

You now know how to out-argue anybody. Do not try to pull any of this on people who generally carry weapons.

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Name: Last Visible Dog to India

email:

Message:

If you ever go to India you will see people who were born on the streets and live out their entire lives on the streets. The streets will be so packed with the homeless that you have to step over them. As soon as you open the doors to leave the airport this will come as a shock to you. No matter how much you prepared for this event it will still be a huge shock.

How many of these people would volunteer to be murdered - nearly none. Once again liberals - that dog don't hunt. Even a cruel life on the street is better than NO LIFE AT ALL. This statement also smacks of egotism - YOU feel that these people's lives are not up to YOUR standard so they would be better off dead.

-LVD

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Name: Last Visible Dog

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Message: Sorry I did not read the "we must bury our heads in the sand when it comes to abortion" message. While it sounds to me like the editor is in deep denial and just want to change the subject to ease her conscience - this is her forum and I will abide.

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Name: Goddess to LVD

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Message: Dream on LVD. I am not the editor. I don't like him/her/it/whatever any better than I like you. I think you are ALL a bunch of spoiled, whiny, snot-nosed brats.

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Name: Goddess

email:

Message: "HILLARY WILL HAND GIULIANI HIS HEAD IN LANDSLIDE VICTORY! -- POOR GUY IS NO MATCH AGAINST "SEXIEST WOMAN ALIVE"

Hahahahahahahaha...what a maroon! I hope that is Hillary's campaign slogan in New York, because I am sure the majority of New Yorkers understand that Hillary being the sexiest woman alive (not!) hasn't got a damned thing to do with her ability to do or not do (choose the latter) a job in a place that doesn't concern her in the least. The best message I have ever seen in this forum said something to the effect of "Hillary won't run in Arkansas because the people there know her too well." Puh-leez Hillary! You might actually get a couple of votes if you act like your constituents actually have a brain!

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Name: Editor to LVD

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Message: I've had enough of your insulting remarks. I did not write the Goddess message and some of the other messages you accused accuse me of. I am not a bigot and my mindset is not the type of mindset that produced the Columbine killers. I do not have a "malady" Nor am I in "deep denial to ease my conscience." If you cannot write respectfully your messages will be "shrunk" We'll leave them on so people read for themselves who you are, but your shrunken status will speak for itself.

Why don't you go hang out at the conservative forums on the Internet? They would just love the derogatory statements you make about the editors of this forum and other liberals?

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Name: Goddess

email:

Message: ...and as for your attitudes about abortion, I wonder why my position is the legally correct one? Lotta folks out there willing to tell me I have to have a kid I don't want. I don't see the courts telling me it though, for one reason. It is NOT RIGHT to make a woman carry a fetus until it becomes a person if she doesn't want the thing.

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Message: "It is NOT RIGHT to make a woman carry a fetus until it becomes a person if she doesn't want the thing."

When does a fetus become a person?

Is not a fetus a person?

Is not a fetus human?

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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email:

Message:

What liberals won't tell you does not indicate IN ANY WAY that they are charged with doing so. Only that, for whatever reason they won't. English is just not that hard. If you read things into statements that just aren't there communication becomes very difficult. I wouldn't tell my youngster how to build a pipe bomb but then it's not job to do so. Simple, simple, simple!

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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to W.W.J.

email:

Message:

Does the CCC know of any cure for a permanent genital rash? A friend of mine needs to know.

Tell "your friend" that castration works every time. I highly recommend it for such cases.

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Name: Ponder this one if you can LVD

email:

Message: If I was told that I would be born to live out my entire life on the streets of India I would choose not to be born, and so would you LVD if you really searched inside of yourself. But let me guess your comeback here. Yes, I know exactly what you would say. You would deny that predicament by telling us that you somehow would overcome, get yourself through school, and end up a wealthy Indian software developer instead. Denial, denial, denial. Did I get it right?

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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email: Huh?!

Message:

I don't see the courts telling me it though, for one reason. It is NOT RIGHT to ...

Now, let me get this straight; just because something is codified into law it magically becomes "right"? So the Drug Laws are "right"? The Tax Laws are "right"? The War in Yugoslavia is "right" (if it was illegal they're looking the other way!)? Something that was "wrong" before Roe vs Wade is now "right" because some guys in funny looking robes said so? Are you really ready for Lawyers to define what is "right" for you and me? Legal vs Illegal, yes, but "right" vs "wrong"?! I just don't know how to respond to that...

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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug (butting in again)

email: re : Ponder this one if you can LVD

Message:

...and so would you LVD if you really searched inside of yourself.

The point is not what he would decide but rather that no one else has the right to decide for him. We've been over this point a zillion times. Strong people DO NOT WANT TO BE LORDED OVER. We want the choice. We often take the long odds for the big win. WE REACH FOR THE STARS! We RAISE the bar rather than lower it. WE LOVE A CHALLENGE. We Do Not Shrink From Adversity. We THRIVE on it! And most of all, we have not deluded ourselves into believing we are God. We KNOW that we do not KNOW what the future is. We Know That Only The Creator Of Life has the Right to Destroy Life. "Quitters Never Win and Winners Never Quit." Hackneyed cliche? Yup. True? Also, Yup.

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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email:

Message:

Definition of Irony : Suicide? Illegal. Abortion? Legal.

So, you can't kill yourself, it wouldn't be "right" (Right?), but your mom can kill you before you're old enough to decide for yourself. This place gets wierder every day...

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Name: rwf

email: rcamp0222@aol.com

Message: I was wondering how Hillary's parents had the forsight to name her after Sir Edmund Hillary when she was born several years before his climb up Mt. Everest? I've just got to hear this, or the denial that she said it.

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Name: Minglewood

email:

Message: Let The Games Begin.

Al Gore launches presidential campaign, along with all of the other presidential wannabes.

Gore's focus is on the family, so he says.
He will use his moral leadership to fight for America's families.
He will make us better off and better ! Huh ? Okay, yeah sure.

He took this time to remind us of all of the good things he and the government has done for us:
The nation's robust economy, ………………This is a lie
Health care, ………………………This is not true
Crime control ………………….This also is not true
And education ……………………………This is the biggest lie of all.

Watch out all of you suburban women.
You have become targets of all politicians as a critical voting bloc.

Read the posts on this forum.
We have become a highly polarized society.
The left vs. the right. The Democrats vs. the Republicans. The Liberals and Conservatives. The rich and the poor. All the different colors. All the different religions. The choice vs. the life.

The Clintons have made us polarized. They use it to their advantage. They create the victim, play on our sympathy, play the polls, create the spin then provide the only solution: The government will ease your pain. Get in line and follow me.

But they are all the same. Now even the Republicans are saying we don't need a tax cut. I love these politicians telling me what I need.

We need a strong leader with some vision that makes sense. Free health care for all is not vision, as an example. It is a means to an end, and that end is more concentration of power. That is what I don't get about so many people. They think Hillary has such lofty goals with the poor souls and children in mind. That, people, is pure BS. Hillary and her group want more power. We need true vision. Not the same old spin we have heard for the past few years. The Clinton scandals have given us a daily dosage of lies and BS. Now the real BS starts.

It's Campaign Time !

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Name: Simple, simple, simple! to Zippy

email:

Message: Reality Check claims that "liberals won't tell you this" (information) and promptly posts that exact information on this liberal forum! Does the irony of this statement not get through to you? Using a liberal forum to criticize liberals for not giving out information which the poster himself/herself places on this liberal forum is so ironic it's funny - yet you cannot see it.

Can you point out any time that this forum has deleted such a message? Has Reality Check placed that message on one of the HRC forums in the past and it has been deleted? If Reality Check cannot prove the charges against us then why are you supporting him/her? You have been on this forum for over a year now and that message has never been posted on this forum. You know that. Why is it so important that you prove us guilty of something you know we are not guilty of? Why is it so important to Reality Check to prove us guilty of something we have not done? Why come in peace when you can provoke ill will? Why didn't Reality Check just post that message on this forum in a peaceful way and not stick a knife into us at the same time? Why? Why? Why? The answer to these whys will give you some clues as to how wars start: over nothing but mean-spritness.

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Message: Algore wants America to believe that he grew up in Carthage,TN.he did,in fact, grow up at the Fairfax Hotel in one of Washington's most exclusive sections. Next,he'll want America to believe that he invented the internet.

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Message: An interesting poll is in today's LA Times.It seems that Govenor Bush leads Mr No Controlling Legal Authority by 4 points.A little simple math produces some intersting possiblities.First,take the state-by-state results of the '96 election.Bob Dole,a good man but a terrible candidate (zero charisma,for one thing),got 159 electoral votes.For the sake of argument,we'll assume that Govenor Bush takes all of the states that Dole took in '96....that gives him 159 Electoral votes.Then,factor in other sates which either barely went to Billy Bob in '96,or could go to Bush for other reasons.Arizona and New Mexico could well vote for a fellow Southwesterner.Kentucky just barely went democrat in '96.... Michigan gave the democrat candidate for Govenor (Doctor Death's lawyer) about 25% of the vote last year.Florida just elected GW's brother as Govenor last year.then,throw in California and Govenor Bush has 267 Electoral votes... 3 fewer than what he'd need to be sworn in on 1/20/2001!!!!! And that's assuming that the Govenor doesn't take one other state that Billy Bob took in '96. If ya do the math,democrats,you know that your Party and your boy (yes,I said BOY!) have a serious problem.

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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

email:

Message:

If someone says that "Zippy would never tell you about (place Data To Support Liberal Agenda here)" I would never be offended because I understand it is not my job to do so. I really, honestly feel you're being VERY thin skinned about this. No one would ever expect a Pro-Abortion Liberal to post any information about alternatives to Abortion BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN THEM! Geez! I would never post (positive) information about Abortion Clinics BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN THEM. It's not my job nor am I inclined by way of my beliefs to do so. Test me here! Post a positive Pro-Abortion Story (if you can come up with one) and title it "Stuff Zippy Would Never Tell You" and not only will I be unoffended by the (alleged) implication but I will be flattered that you felt people should know about my position on the matter!

<peacemaking>
I genuinely feel you took offense at something that, even if it was intended to offend, was trivial at best. Would you agree that you would likely never post such information yourself? And would you agree that you would not do so because you do not agree with such ideas? Are you ashamed of this opinion in any way? Then what harm was done? I'm proud that I'm against Abortion (among many other things I see as very harmful to our society). I piss people off all the time by stating my position plainly and without apology. I feel I can support my position well (otherwise I'd keep my mouth shut). I can only assume you must feel the same or you would remain mute on this subject. If you're going to expose yourself to debate on this subject you'd better be ready for the heat. I know I am...
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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to W.W.J.

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The Argument 101 post had me laughing so hard I nearly coughed up a lung. Good work "Slick".

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Name: Editor to All

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Message: Dear All,
These statistics certainly help to put things in perspective!

If we could shrink the earth's population to a village
of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios
remaining the same, it would look something like the following.

There would be:
57 Asians
21 Europeans
14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south
8 Africans
52 would be female
48 would be male
70 would be non-white
30 would be white
70 would be non-Christian
30 would be Christian
89 would be heterosexual
11 would be homosexual
6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth
and all 6 would be from the United States.
80 would live in substandard housing
70 would be unable to read
50 would suffer from malnutrition
1 would be near death; 1 would be near birth
1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education
1 would own a computer
When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective,
the need for both acceptance, understanding and education
becomes glaringly apparent.

Phillip M Harter, MD, FACEP
Stanford University, School of Medicine


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Name: Bugs

email:

Message: Definition of a Liberal is a caring person. Definition of right wingers is a rascist who is against gays blacks social security and the middle class working people. They unite and talk phoney baloney ideas with the aid of reliqous groups. This is a no no in this country. Go to Iran Pat Robertson. You too Rush, and Livingston. In fact the whole CCC should go on a journey to countries and see that politics mixed with religion does not and never will work. You are exposed CCC tough Even the Irs said you are not a tax-emempt group but a political action group. Poor Pat Robertson. Poor Dan Quayle does he need spell check. Poor Rebooblicans and poor LVD and his henchman Zippy the un wonder slug. Don't they know we are wise to these fakirs by now.

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Name: Dr. Doom

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Message: 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth
and all 6 would be from the United States.

That is very interesting indeed !
Why do you think this is the case ?
Could it be freedom and property rights ?
Well, yes, of course it is !
Why then do so many people in this country want to destroy this wealth making machine ?
They think that taxes, regulation, Socialism and the redistribution of wealth will make things better for all.
Well, they are wrong. It will destroy this best standard of living making machine.

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Name: Bugspray

email:

Message: Definition of an idiot is Bugs.

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Name: Simply Put to Zippy

email:

Message: "Would you agree that you would likely never post such information yourself? And would you agree that you would not do so because you do not agree with such ideas? "

Absolutely NO! Of course I agree with those counselor ideas. I agree because I believe in FREEDOM, which means not forcing anyone to have an abortion, and likewise not forcing anyone to have an unwanted child.

If a woman came to me for advice on what to do the first thing I would determine is where HER HEAD IS AT. If she views an abortion as "murdering her child" and it's clear to me that she will regret her action I would NEVER steer her to the abortion clinic. That would be a crazy, irresponsible thing to do. I would find out where the appropriate counselors are for her and send her on her way.

I believe in FREEDOM of CHOICE for women. I do NOT believe in forced abortions anymore than I believe in enforced motherhood.

What in the heck do you think I am? I don't ever plan to own a gun. I don't pull wings off flies. I don't even kill spiders. I pick them up in a container and throw them outside. Why do you think I'm obsessed with killing unborn babies? I'm obsessed with freedom of choice for all.

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Name: Bugs

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Message: Id rather misspell a word than be a hypocrite like the Rebooblicans All they do is pick on my duly elected President who put himself out on a limb in the Kosovo mess. I mean this guy, Myslevitch was a Hitler type. Ethnic cleansing. and for 10 years this lunatic was acting like a lunatic. and nobody said a word . Not even the Rebooblicans those cold war warriors types. The Right winger are bad and if Al Gore was smart he would get Bill Bradley as his running mate. Then the Radical rights would be in deep trouble. Once again the Rebooblicans blew it Cant they get any thing right, I mean they are right wingers, but they seem to be out in left field. So when electionroll around vote for the good guys The Democrats.

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Name: Reality Check

email: to W-W-J (Mr. Latin) & others

Message: Dear WWJ. Interesting you should mention latin. The word "Fetus" is latin for "little one." So a human fetus would mean a little human being. Kind of funny that liberals (yes, even leberal abortion counselors) will try to dehumanize the child in the womb by calling it a "fetus" - implying it is not really human. Gosh, I post an example of a person who went to an abortion clinic believing the liberal lies of "keep abortions safe" (no such thing, it's evasive surgery and inheritantly risky) and the tragic result, yet some people just don't get it. Abortionists don't give a rats behind about women, Hillary and her followers are the spokespeople for the abortion industry. We can have the govt. regulate EVERYTHING but abortion because the abortion business is the most "holy" sacrament of liberalism. If you want the whole story, you need to contact the organizations I listed because Hillary won't send you there, it would be sacriligious (for liberalism) to do so. ..... PS Why don't the Clinton's ever make photo op. visits to Magdalena's family and other people who's lives have been devastated by abortion? Their masters wouldn't like that.

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Name: Wall Streeter

email: downnflames@dem.org

Message: Bugs,

What's up doc? You are right Albore should get Bill Bradley as running mate. But I doubt the tinman wants to be V.P. for another four years. Oh well, such is life.

One question for you though. Why, if the right wing is so bad, did the voters give the Republicans control of the House and the Senate?

All I know is thank god for Greenspan!

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Message: Dear editor will you fix the god damned fucking margin on this moronic ass fruitcake of a lowlife fucking forum you mother fucking bitch.

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Message: Get a clue you fucking idiots. There is not a god damned thing wrong with abortion you fucking opinionated lowlifes. I have had six or seven and I don't feel at all bad about it. You son of a bitches want to fuck a bitch, but you don't want to pay for the fucking kid or the abortion, so I get to pick. Kids suck.

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Message: Jeepers! -- Who let these lowlife types (above) on to this forum??

Name: Get a clue you fucking idiots

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Message: Hey! That woman who wrote that message above "Get a clue you fucking idiots" speaks the truth. She hit the nail on the head. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is here on this forum today. Face it. No fancy dancy language - just the facts m'am. You fuck you pay. There's no such thing as a free fuck!

Name: Economics 101

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Message: "They think that taxes, regulation and the redistribution of wealth will make things better for all. "

If we didn't have all of the above we would be like Mexico at best, and the rest of South America, etc., at worst.

Name: Witch Hazel

email: To Angry Woman

Message: Since the boys won't stop talking about abortion, despite the Editor's plea to desist, then let's discuss what is really on their minds. That is, the way babies are made, or BACK TO SEX AGAIN, right? I hear them giggling now.

1. Men should have no part in the discussion at all. They are the ones who get us pregnant. It takes two to make a child. If they want the babies, fine, but I bet in the Angry Woman's case, none of the fathers insisted or wanted to keep the baby either.

2. Men WILL pursue women for sex. That's the way they are programmed. However, they do NOT take responsibility to prevent pregnancy. That's left to women to take the dangerous hormones or use messy creams and diaphrams or infection-causing IUDs. Men KNOW ABOUT CONDOMS but the majority don't use them because it reduces their pleasure slightly or it's not macho, selfish little things that they are.

3. When young women get pregnant, here's the drill. She's told she's a slut and a bad person for not controlling her urges and refusing to have sex with her boyfriend, who, of course, has told her that he won't love/marry her unless she sleeps with him. THEN, her parents kick her out of the house, the government won't help her with medical care, post natal care or child care so she can get an education so she can get a job a support the little bugger. And then the righteous above criticize her further for being lazy and a bad mother and try to take the kid away from her. Nice, huh?

4. Until men are really ready to sincerely join the debate about abortion and THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, they must stay out of the way.

Name: To: Economics 101

email: From: Minglewood

Message: When you pass Econ 101 and go onto Econ 200, you will understan.
We have market forces that help spread the wealth. We have private decisions that help make things better for all.
In Latin America, they have governments that make all of these decisions (for the most part) and that is why they all want to live in America.
Pass your next class then you can debate intelligently.

Name: Reality Check

email: Shame on ME!

Message: In liberal la la land, the tragedy is not that women are being raped (want some examples?) and murdered in abortion clinics (it's just "collateral damadge"). NO, the TRAGEDY is that I OFFENDED a few liberals. I may have saved a few lives in the process though, so I am not concerned.

Name: Reality Check

email: Just to show that I am not one dimensional

Message: STARR GRAND JURY HEARS FRESH TESTIMONY ON TRAVEL OFFICE; 'FIRE THEIR ASSES' FIRST LADY SAID TO HAVE TOLD AIDE

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Message: Yeah there is such a thing as a free fuck, but not on my corner you sleaze bag. Who in the fuck are you to tell me there is no such thing as a free fuck? What? Did someone make you ruler of the fucking world or something you slimey bastard? Run your own god-damned life and I'll run mine, including getting any leechy ass fetuses out of my body if I fucking well want to. Fuck you.

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Message: Why do you give a flying fuck if someone thinks you are one dimensional???? Don't you have a fucking mind of your own??? MORON!!!!

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Message: Oh and by the way you fucking narrow minded son of a bitch REALITY CHECK. I don't want you to try to protect me or anything in my life you narrow minded cock sucker. I'll take care of my own god-damned self. I don't want any of you fucking liberals or conservatives either one trying to take care of my business. The only thing you can do for me is use some of that fucking hot air of yours to get dope made legal. FUCKNUT!!!

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Message: The word fetus is Latin for little one. How about if refers to a little blood clot? Or a little cell mass? How did you make the fucking jump to little human being? Fuck you, you narrow minded bastard. If you men would keep your dicks in your fucking pants, maybe there wouldn't be so many god damned abortions necessary. Horny ass bastards like you keep the prostitution trade alive and kicking too, and you bitch about that too. Men are so damned opinionated about matters pertaining to sex, but they don't do nothing but stick it in and take it out (messier than before I might add), and the woman is stuck with all the bullshit that surrounds sex. Maybe fetus refers to your little dick. "Big opinions, little dick." I think that is a Latin saying too!

Name: GOP Misogynists

email: Feminist

Message: You Republicans are a bunch of misogynists who couldn't respect Libby Dole enough to send $$$ to her campaign. You should have sent her something just for having the guts to be the first major Republican woman to risk a run for president.

But noooooooo... just didn't have it in you to send her a dime, did you. Any one of you devout right-wingers out there send her a dime? NO.

You GOP misogynists don't deserve somebody as high quality as Libby Dole. You'd rather hang out with a weakling male than rally behind a terrific female. Even her own husband wouldn't support her until they kicked his ass. The creep wants to send his money to the McCain campaign instead. What a jerk.

You guys are scared of a strong female, even in your own party, maybe especially in your own party. Heh, heh, heh....

Name: Welcome Kick Ass Babe

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Message: Welcome to the forum, Kick Ass Babe. We needed you to invigorate our ranks. Keep hitting these guys with the t-r-u-t-h right where it begins - in their pants. You started this game guys - we'll nail you to the consequences. There will be no exceptions to the rule. No escapees! The gloves are off. Heh, heh, heh....

Name: Fudd to Visionary

email: Drugin' a dead horse, hehe

Message: You are falling into the same trap as so many have before you. There isn't a dividing line between recreational drugs and other drugs.

Actually there is, it's called the law.

With the exception of alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, etc.,  pretty much EVERY drug used in a non medical form is illegal.
Many states have laws not only against narcotics, but also the USE of them as well.  I.E.: 1 charge for possession, 1 for the putting of it into your body.

We prescribe drugs too often, I agree.  Examples: Antibiotics, antidepressants, weight loss aids, etc.
Prescription drugs are illegal to use by anyone besides the patient on the label.  This is one of the legal dividing lines between medical drugs.
Maybe you should go back and read the original question and see that I was referring to the LAW.

Apparently you don't want to answer the original question, therefor you will nit pick meanings of words.
You should be the president.
But, that depends on your definition of the word "be".          :P
This topic is about dead anyway.

Peace,
Fudd

P.S. Thank you for not being nasty like others can be on this forum, even though I could have been misinterpreted as being a little nasty.
        I bet like me, you can't wait to see what the future brings in the area of nanotech, stem cell, and cloning research.
        Not to leave out, genenome and dna mapping...
 
 
 

Name: Self-Righteous to Reality Check

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Message: "...the TRAGEDY is that I OFFENDED a few liberals. I may have saved a few lives in the process though, so I am not concerned."

Our self-righteous Reality Check, the forum do-gooder, has just done another do-do. RC wants you to believe that his/her caring little black heart saved lives because he/she made a post on this forum.

There are none so blind that those who do not want to see... Reality Check, I hate to enlighten you but IF you saved lives, it was not because of your post, it was because we provided you WITH THE MEDIUM upon which you were able to post your vital information. You overlooked the part about this forum providing you, free of charge, the MEANS for which you could not otherwise have conveyed your message and saved all those lives. "If the messenger has no way to deliver his message does it make a difference? NO, dear sweet Reality Check, it is this forum , and not you, that made the difference. Tying your message into the fresh air saves no lives.

So, my best advice to you is to give yourself a "reality check" and look around. There are lots of players in this movie. Don't take too much of the credit -- you are only a bit player. Be a lot more humble and you could go far.

Name: Visionary to Fudd

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Message: "I bet like me, you can't wait to see what the future brings in the area of nanotech, stem cell, and cloning research. Not to leave out, genenome and dna mapping... "

Yeah, that's why I was so excited when you first came on board. I thought you were somebody I could interact with, and explore all kinds of futuristic fantasies. Then you kicked me. But, it's OK I survived, and I really, r-e-a-l-l-y appreciate your ability to see yourself and your wrongdoings. Most people are unable to do this because it requires too much honesty and insight.

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If we didn't have all of the above we would be like Mexico at best, and the rest of South America, etc., at worst.

Now that you have made this assertion would you please provide either solid evidence or a workable theory as to why this might be. Merely asserting that something is true does not make it so.

Now, my rebuttal; The one and only major difference between US and them is that we have a form of Government that (until recently) was based on Individual Rights and the Rule of Law. Most of this hemisphere is about equal in it's natural resourses and thus the opportunities to expolit those resourses are nearly equal. We have a far better educated populace due primarily to a long history of fierce competition where only the fittest survive in business. Long ago we realized how important that edge would be, sadly we have drifted far from our roots of teaching people how to think. Now we teach them what to think. Success breeds success. Competition breeds ingenuity. It is precicely because we have kept Government out of the equasion that we did so well in the first one hundred and fifty years of our History and it is precicely because Government got involved so intimately in our businesses and lives that we are rapidly losing that edge. Buerocracy is notorious for being inefficient and wasteful. Near the beginning of this century each of us paid the Government about $350.00 (in 1998 dollars). Each of us now pays $9,939 for this Civilized Society. How much is enough? We were far better off then if you ask me and the gains that have been made have had little to do with the Government. Technology is largely responsible and the reason for the technological gains? Property Rights and Competition for the property. In any competitive environment some lose but more gain. As the "pie" gets larger (more wealth to be had) each of us has a better chance of getting more pie. It is NOT a zero-sum game. Punishing the successful ultimately punishes all of us. And that is what Government does best.

Please forgive the spelling errors. I'm rebuilding my Computer and haven't installed the Spell Checker as yet...(now you get to see how awful my spelling really is. Shut up Bugs.)

Name: Reality Check

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Message: I'll admit that the "I may have saved some lives" remark was OVER THE TOP and I regret that I posted it. I am pleasantly surprised that my posts from last night were NOT deleted. I thank the editor for keeping them posted. I have made donations in the past to pro life organizations that post billboards explaining the facts of fetal development (again that is HUMAN [not "blood clots, tissue"] fetal development). Hey, ya have to admit there have been a variety of reactions to my posts. This argument that it is all guys fault because they can't keep it in their pants, well, can't women just say "NO, YOU MORON" or "NO means NO, you moron!" There was a time when being chaste until marriage was a top priority, but the feminist agenda has been a BOON to horny, irresponsible males because the feminists think it is more liberating to say "yes" before marriage. Here's a hint babes, make the guy wait, make him respect you, you HAVE the power, if a guy just wants you for sex, he's not worth it. Again, I apologize for patting myself on the back to hard - my wrist hurts. Chow.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

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You guys are scared of a strong female...

Libby Dole? A strong Female? ROTFLMAO. A strong female wouldn't have taken a poll on the Second Ammendment, found that most people don't even understand the debate and then turned her back on the Constitution. She's just another Politician. Leader of the Most Sheep. Pathetic.

I liked her until she proved she was just another Socialist willing to do whatever it takes to get elected even if it included taking our God Given Right to Defend Ourselves as is Specifically Outlined in the Second Ammendment. If she will betray America for Votes on that one then What's Next? You want Libby? You can have her. (She's a non player in the polls anyway.)

P.S. You need to get over this "men don't support their kids" garbage. Men, by definition live up to their responsibilities. You've been hanging around too many Cute (Brainless) Little Boy's. I'm guessing a Real Man would probably scare you to death (as if one would bother with such potty mouthed Little Girls). Men, contrary to your lies, Like Women and Women have Brains and Backbones (and a bunch more Class than that). God Knows mine does.

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I stand corrected and humbly beg forgiveness. Since it had not come up before (to my recollection) I made the (incorrect) assumption that you would not go out of your way to help someone keep a child since it (again making an assumption) seems you have no problem with the procedure (Abortion) yourself. I shall endeavor not to repeat the mistake. </HUMBLE>

Name: Last Visible Dog to Editor

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. I did not write the Goddess message and some of the other messages you accused accuse me of.

Jeepers - you do not read very well!!! I said the Goddess message was "likely" written by the editor - I "accused" you of NOTHING. Look up the word "likely" (I can send you a dictionary if you do not have one). Just seemed strange that you use the term "snot-nosed kid" in your tirade yesterday (you know - that one you deleted) and the childish term appeared in another message today.

I am not a bigot

Never said you were - I said you made bigoted statements about Conservatives (painting with an extremely broad brush). You DID and numerous people have pointed this out.

my mindset is not the type of mindset that produced the Columbine killers

First off I claimed that the person posting as "Visionary" had a mindset that brought us the Columbine murders - Once again you did not actually read my post. The point was simple - saying "Young people are going to have sex and there is nothing we can do so abortion must be legal and often" is the mindset that gave us Columbine and I illustrated this by example (something liberals seem to never do). Once again you are way off - I was not even talking to you.

I do not have a "malady"

Well you seem to reply to messages without fully reading them (that to me is a malady). You also have to malady that when you put your foot in your mouth you never apologize - you just delete it and pretend it did not happen. I have often apologized when I go too far - you never have, you just delete it and continue as if nothing happened. That too is a malady of sorts. I think more people on the forum would agree with me on this issue.

Nor am I in "deep denial to ease my conscience."

On the issues of abortion I think I can make an extremely strong case that based on your messages you are in deep denial and are trying to ease you conscience. What was the point of you message yesterday when you explaining how superior you are to me because you children are successful? I can re-post that message if you need to freshen you memory. (BTW - the your superiority message came as a response to me being outraged about the blind acceptance of abortions). Explain what your motive was.

If you cannot write respectfully your messages will be "shrunk"

You hurled a lot of personal ad hominem attacks at me yesterday - Will you follow your own advice?

We'll leave them on so people read for themselves who you are, but your shrunken status will speak for itself.

I have no idea what you are taking about - is this another personal attack? What does "shrunken status" mean?

Why don't you go hang out at the conservative forums on the Internet?

They would just love the derogatory statements you make about the editors of this forum and other liberals?

Funny - nearly all of the derogatory statements on this forum come from you and your liberal friends (i.e. Person ad hominem attacks, bigoted broad brush statements, and childish name calling like "pigs" "nazis" "evil"). Don't take my word for it - read your bloody forum! Maybe you should take YOUR derogatory personal ad hominem attacks to another forum and let the rest of us debate important issues - just a thought.

Cool off - you may need another vacation

-LVD

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If I was told that I would be born to live out my entire life on the streets of India I would choose not to be born

Easy to say when you are alive. I think you are not thinking it out or you do not understand death (just my opinion)

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You would deny that predicament by telling us that you somehow would overcome, get yourself through school, and end up a wealthy Indian software developer instead. Denial, denial, denial. Did I get it right?

Well, Editor, if you are alive there is always a chance - once you are killed there will NEVER be a chance. People have left the poverty of India - it happens. No dead person has ever created a better life.

-LVD

Name: Editor to Reality Check

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Message: Welcome to the Forum. I can tell we're gonna love ya!

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Reality Check claims that "liberals won't tell you this" (information) and promptly posts that exact information on this liberal forum! Does the irony of this statement not get through to you?

Not at all - a liberal did not post it and I do beleive a liberal deleted it! This is AMAZING - the liberal Editor DELETED the original message that stated "liberals won't tell you"! I think the actions of the Editor proves the point!

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email: Shrunken Status

Message: Got you shook up about "skrunken status" didn't I? Very funny! No it's not what you think it is.... It means that when you make insulting statements I will shrink them. In programmer language it means [font size=-1 color=gray] That way your message has not been deleted - just fuzzy and shrunk.

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Message: Oh come on LVD. As I have said so many times before... If I told you the sun was going to rise in the east tomorrow you would give me an argument. Pick your battles. You don't have to argue with everything. Reality Check can see it. Why can't you?

Name: LVD to Witch Hazel

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Jeepers your have taken "broad brush" bigoted statements to a new high (or is that low) (Editor, yes they were bigoted statements). You gain nothing by pretending that all men (or any group) think and act all the same way.

Name: LVD to Editor

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Got you shook up about "skrunken status" didn't I? Very funny! No it's not what you think it is.... It means that when you make insulting statements I will shrink them. In programmer language it means [font size=-1 color=gray] That way your message has not been deleted - just fuzzy and shrunk.

You figured me out - I will not be able to sleep tonight.

Name: Zippy the most Wonderful Slug-like being (must be said with thick Indian accent)

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If all Indians took the advise to commit suicide in the womb India we'd have at least six less programmers in our MIS department. They look pretty happy to me (even in this utterly foreign environment) and so do their arranged marriage wives.

In one of my Psych classes I remember the professor asked the class "At what point does a person cross the line from thinking about suicide to actually doing it?". The answer? "When they give up all hope that things will ever change." He made a point of saying "change" rather than "get better". ANY chance of change means things could get better. It's when you get "stuck" that you cross the line into hopelessness. Sounds like good advise; Never Get Stuck.

Name: LVD to Editor

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Oh come on LVD. As I have said so many times before... If I told you the sun was going to rise in the east tomorrow you would give me an argument.

Is that the best you can do - such nonsense - you can do better.

Pick your battles. You don't have to argue with everything. Reality Check can see it. Why can't you?

You are correct - I could and sould pick my battles better but I have never disagreed with something without presenting supporting statements (I don't practice guerrilla warfare). Not to mention I do not argue with everything - it is obvious you are trying to diminish me by these personal attacks - like I said, I bet you can do better. What can Reality Check see that I can not see - I do not understand, enlighten me.

Editor - can you direct a message to me WITHOUT a single personal attack? (this is a challenge!)

-LVD

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Message: Mrs. Rhodam Clinton, I'm glad you are running for the U. S. Senate from New York. We need you. My only regret is that I can't vote for you. But I still hope you win. Good Luck. F. Smith

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Name: LVD to Editor

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In programmer language it means [font size=-1 color=gray]

BTW - HTML is not considered programming (it is a markup language). The reason I point this out is I get the feeling that may have been a jab (I could be wrong). When I first came to the forum and asked about the structure you made a comment that one has to learn to program with HTML with the adults to post here (it was a joking jab but a jab just the same). If you remember I replied by posting JavaScript that did an annoying scrolling browser message to show that I could indeed "program with the adults" (JavaScript is considered programming).

PS - don't lose you sense of humor (I hope you did not think this message was serious)

This is not so bad - I like it
HEY! you said this would make be fuzzy - I don't see any little hairs!

-LVD

Name: Bugs

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Message: Definition of a Liberal is a caring person. Definition of right wingers is a rascist who is against gays blacks social security and the middle class working people. They unite and talk phoney baloney ideas with the aid of reliqous groups. This is a no no in this country. Go to Iran Pat Robertson. You too Rush, and Livingston. In fact the whole CCC should go on a journey to countries and see that politics mixed with religion does not and never will work. You are exposed CCC tough Even the Irs said you are not a tax-emempt group but a political action group. Poor Pat Robertson. Poor Dan Quayle does he need spell check. Poor Rebooblicans and poor LVD and his henchman Zippy the un wonder slug. Don't they know we are wise to these fakirs by now.

Name: Bugs Bunny

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Message: I wish we could all lighten up a bit. Take a break and be more friendly. Did anyone watch the 100 Stars of the last 100 years or see a good movie latelly Im getting bored the same people say the same things but if the sun does come up from the East LVD would find fault with it, However, if he goes away this forum gets boring. So put up with him, he means well, bless his little heart. I tried once getting friendly with LVD and he didnt cotton to that, but what the heck Anyway thanks to that nice editor we can all blab our brains out and spout our beliefs. I for myself sometimes agree with the topic at hand and at other times go on about the Rebooblicans or Foulmouth Falwell. They mean well, I quess. But I like the Frank Capra Movies with Jimmy Stewart where the little guy wins too. I m busy these days so I dont get to come on have some fun with Zippy or Lvd. Whew who the heck is reality check and who is swearing, like heck. I quess we can take a few $#$#$#$#$@$$ words here cause we are adults, but sometimes all of us get carried away and it can get nasty and funny at the same time.

Name: Bugs Bunny

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Message: I wish we could all lighten up a bit. Take a break and be more friendly. Did anyone watch the 100 Stars of the last 100 years or see a good movie latelly Im getting bored the same people say the same things but if the sun does come up from the East LVD would find fault with it, However, if he goes away this forum gets boring. So put up with him, he means well, bless his little heart. I tried once getting friendly with LVD and he didnt cotton to that, but what the heck Anyway thanks to that nice editor we can all blab our brains out and spout our beliefs. I for myself sometimes agree with the topic at hand and at other times go on about the Rebooblicans or Foulmouth Falwell. They mean well, I quess. But I like the Frank Capra Movies with Jimmy Stewart where the little guy wins too. I m busy these days so I dont get to come on have some fun with Zippy or Lvd. Whew who the heck is reality check and who is swearing, like heck. I quess we can take a few $#$#$#$#$@$$ words here cause we are adults, but sometimes all of us get carried away and it can get nasty and funny at the same time.

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Name: Fudd TO

email: LVD and Editor, Visionary, ZTWS

Message: Oh come on LVD. As I have said so many times before... If I told you the sun was going to rise in the east tomorrow you would give me an argument.  (Editor)

I have an argument for this one!  Ever hear of the poles?  No not the ones in Europe.   ;P
 
 

Heh, you crack me up LVD, I like the JAVA "jab" hehe.
No offense to ya Editor, just not much to comment on at the moment and the exchange had me rollin.
 

Visionary

    Sorry about all the crap I was giving ya, was assuming that you were just trying to be a pain in the ass.

ZTWS

    Man, good article to make a good point!  More of a rhetorical question....Why  the f\/{k did we let it get like this??  I am gonna have to apologize to my kid
for the rest of his life for not being careful enough with the contraception!

Peace,
Fudd

      "Better get your assault rifles while you can." ZTWS
        YES INDEED!
(here we go again)

Name: Joe

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Message: Hillary is a joke. What a hypocritical fake. Ha ha. Yankees rule! Ha. Wait, hasn't she been a die hard Cubs fans for her whole ife? Can anyone say, "Lying for acceptence"?

Name: Reality Check

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Message: WHY? When Hillary followers declare "we need you," it begs the obvious "why?" Why do we need Hillary, Francis? Why do you so desperately need ANY particular politician? Please give concrete examples of why you "need" Hillary.

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Message: "If you cannot ADD to the debate why do you post?"

I post because I CAN mother fucker. Now my freedom of speech is okay as long as the content matter is acceptable to you? Fuck you, you narrow minded bastard. If you don't like my posts, then don't read the god damned fucking things. MORON!

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Message: Geraldo vs. Rush. Ha. Which one of those fucking jokes will I die laughing at first? They should get together. They deserve each other. Only thing is, it wouldn't be a fucking debate, it would be a comdey show.

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Message: Consider the Goddess the reason you should treat others according to the Golden Rule. An angry woman with a brain is some scary shit ain't she????

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Message: Definition of a Liberal is a caring person. Definition of right wingers is a rascist who is against gays blacks social security and the middle class working people. They unite and talk phoney baloney ideas with the aid of reliqous groups. This is a no no in this country. Go to Iran Pat Robertson. You too Rush, and Livingston. In fact the whole CCC should go on a journey to countries and see that politics mixed with religion does not and never will work. You are exposed CCC tough Even the Irs said you are not a tax-emempt group but a political action group. Poor Pat Robertson. Poor Dan Quayle does he need spell check. Poor Rebooblicans and poor LVD and his henchman Zippy the un wonder slug. Don't they know we are wise to these fakirs by now.

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