Hillary_Clinton_Forum_86

(Awaiting a massive flaming from the Homocentric Left...)

Name: Jon Tampico

email: to LVD

Message: "With the malevolence and rancor that is necessary to be a card-carrying member of the Democrat party" //// Just what are you talking about LVD? EVERYONE knows that right wingers are dogmatic, hate filled, intolerant, homophobic, women oppressing, judgemental pigs! Democrats are full of love and tolerance you moron!

Name: jENNIFER SWAY

email: VDVNAE@HOTMAIL.COM

Message: Mrs. Clinton: My name is Jennifer Sway, I have given my sisters e-mail address for any reply I am writing you to find out who I can contact about the Spokane Superior Court system in Washington State. I am only one of thousands who have had their rights violated. My family has been split apart. Despite my medical doctors notes to the court, stating that I had no problems, despite the fact that there was never any abuse, neglect, despite the fact that I attend Gonzaga University, am a bill collector at Pitney Bowes, Have an excellent track record of providing superior care of my children the younger three from my last marriage were taken out of the home and placed with their father who has money and can afford an attorney. For 6 months I was unable to see my children due to supervised visits being ordered for out of county. These visits were set up based on an inconclusive phycological report of a friend of the Commissioner. Now my case has been tried by a judge who stated on the court record that any further Motions were not in the best interest of the children. The Respondent in this case has purjured himself in affidavits/declarations to the court. has violated the residential time provision in the t.p.p. decision making provisions have been violated. I was not allowed to hear alleged tapes from an answering machine of the Respondent which was stated by the judge after the trial, that I placed the calls in 1996. I filed a Motion in Limine, and made the court aware that I had requested production of these tapes, and tapes were not produced. Judge Linda Tomkins admitted these tapes into evidense despite my not being allowed to hear them. Attorney Dale Raugust stated at least two untrue statements in court. Admitted in court at the trial that he instructed his client to violate the Spring vacation provision of the temporary parenting plan. my son Rechad had bruses on his buttocks, this is documented in a police report though the officer could not say how they occurred, this child then 9 and now 10 had a toenail removed because of an injury to his toe, he does not recall how this happned Noureddine my 8 year old was spanked every day during Christmas of 1997 by the father. Christina in 1996 once contact was forced upon her begain having trouble with constipation, asthma and chronic colds begain agter change of custody. I have filed an affidavit of prejudice, Motion for new trial , complaint with the judicial conduct commission. It is not just my case, an investigation needs to take place of the entire Spokane Superior Court system. Please help, let me know how to reach someone who can investigate jennifer sway

Name: One Scared New Yorker

email: dont_run_NY_into_the_ground.com

Message: God help us all if Hillary runs. Hillary is a fine representative of Arkansas, which ranks close to last in every major statistic, most importantly education. Arkansans can be proud of only two things: (1) that Mississippi keeps AK from being dead last and (2) that they are finally getting rid of Hillary (and Bubba).

Name: Jim

email: jartz2@san.rr.com

Message: First Lady, Thank you for the opportunity to say that I think you should leave that sorry husband of your's and move to New York! It really is a shame that you didn't leave him and pursue your true believes. Perhaps you did inhale afterall! Interesting that you are finally coming out of your shell, or is it hell,.....god bless you and may you achieve your level! Jim

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Message: You have my support! Go for it, Hillary!

Name: Seanny

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Message: Go Hillary Go. You Rule. Its not very often that an open minded human being is involved in politics. I am a gay positive hetro artist and i am so happy to see what you and your Husband are doing not only for America but the whole world. When I saw you on Sesamee Stret I was very suprised. That was a very cool thing for you to do. Kids need to have role models and you are great at that. I hope you win the Senate seat and I hope the press leave your family alone. Its sad that so many people in this world love to hear about others Private lives. Its one thing when its national security it another when its your Relationship with your husband. Good luck Mr. First Lady and God Bless. May the four winds blow you safley home. Seanny

Name: Reality check

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Message: "Kids need to have role models and you are great at that." .... Ya kids, learn to be a pathologicl liar, real estate scam artist, defraud banks and a door mat for your psychotic spouse. Your purpose in life should be to advance socialism (Of course, you will be one of the leaders and not one of the slaves) and seek power at all costs. If you make a complete fool of yourself by blaming a non existant "vast right-wing conspiracy" for your adulterous spouse, just pretend you never said it. Ya kids, don't have any ehics what so ever and tell everyone how morally superior you are.

Name: Seanny

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Message: Hello Hillary Supporters. Listen get the Word out to Mrs First Lady. Mr Prsident Plays sax. He is an Artist. He should join Artists Against Racism. There are lots of Big name members. Mr president and any of his Staff who are fellow artists should join to prove once and for all to the World that the Clinton Administration are the COOLEST EVER in the History of American politics. God Bless and check out their websight Mrs First Lady ! Seanny

Name: tallfish80

email: sa211@yahoo.com

Message: Just as we can see the light at the end of the tunnel of this monumental disgrace of an administration queen whips 'n chains decides she wants to step on the good folks of N.Y. on her presumed way to the White House again. She must be inhaling even as Bill isn't. I would like just one thing from Miss Hillary: \

Name: NY Lib

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Message:

So many Hillaryphobes, so very amusing.

It's difficult to pinpoint exactly when conservatives became quitters, whiners and losers, but many of the posters here are proof positive that the trend is still going strong.

First it was Newt Gingrich. A whiner and a quitter. Then Bob Livingstone, another quitter. Then Ken Starr, the biggest loser of them all.

And all through 1998, everywhere we turned we heard the hateful whining of conservatives as they threw their little temper tantrum in a vain effort to force their private morality down America's throat.

It's such a pity - you right wingers just don't seem to get the message. Why are so many Americans so hesitant to join your cause? Have you ever really thought about it, or are your minds so overwhelmed by hatred that you can no longer think clearly?

Americans simply aren't interested in surrendering their freedom to the constraints of your lofty ideals. They don't want your personal religious preferences drilled into their children at public expense. They prefer to make their own difficult choices about family planning, without your help and without suffering the consequences of your self righteous edicts. They're interested in a limitless future, not a restrictive past.

This is why your alarms continue to fall on deaf ears, and why your Republican leaders have consistently been so ineffective and stumble at every attempt to establish a clear direction. This is why the voters of New York abandoned Al D'Amoto in favor of Chuck Schumer, and this is why Hillary Clinton's candidacy has such an excellent chance of success.

You spent countless hours and millions of dollars to impeach the President. You gave it your best shot, and you lost.

You spent countless hours and millions of dollars to reelect Al D'Amoto last November. You gave it your best shot, and you lost.

You spent countless hours and millions of dollars to convict Susan McDougal. You gave it your best shot, and you lost

Yet you remain undeterred, carrying your scars and bruises in your quest to carry all of us back to a long lost paradise of days gone by. You struggle along like some ancient army, battle flags held high, righteous crusaders marching into oblivion. In some ways, it's almost worthy of admiration.

And as you champion your lost cause, you stop to give battle here, whining about Hillary, as if the transparent hatred you spew will attract others to your campaign. But go right ahead, give it your best shot!

Name: Frank G Anderson, the Korat Post

email: tongmuan@loxinfo.co.th

Message: As a New Yorker, upstate (East Aurora), I object to this kind of carpetbagger migrating from a messy life to Empire State where more havoc will be wraught. Maybe it's her forte, and maybe New York City is the place to play dirty pool, but there are a lot better qualified, politically and morally, than Hillary Clinton. Go home. Stay home. Please.

Name: Reality Check

email: to: NY Lib (editor)

Message: "They don't want your personal religious preferences drilled into their children at public expense." ..... Obviously denial of reality is a top priority in your life. If you actually believed what you wrote, then we would have to remove Planned Parenthood from all public schools. Planned Parenthood, GLBT indoctrination will have to go - no more public dollars spent on the pillars of the RELIGOUS LEFT. No, liberals will never give up public funding of their religion. Why is the RELIGOUS LEFT SO AFRAID of having a little COMPETITION in the public sector. For example, give a southern Baptist Minister equal time to the preaching of Planned Parenthood and the GLBT patronizers in Govt. schools. Actually I would like PP and all other pseudo religions and religion out of schools - let the parents and the market place do what they are supposed to do, but for the sake of proving my point, we all know how liberals HOWL like ABSOLUTE LOONS when a teacher mentions the Ten Commandments or would bring a Bible to school. Poor little liberals - want to be their own little "gods" and can't tolerate any competition from the genuine article.

Name: Bill Wilson

email: wrfgrbw@iaw.on.ca

Message: Dear Hillary, New York should be happy to have you. Any place would. Go for it and Good Luck.

Name: Reality Check

email: to silly NY Lib

Message: Susan McDougal already is a convicted felon (ie. loser) and the President was impeached (ie. loser). The Clinton's have a totally dysfunctional marriage (ie. losers in the most sacred vow in life) and totally dysfunctional world view (dropping bombs on peasants is compassion). It is amazing as to what delusional lengths liberals will go to to rationalize their religion and their religous leaders (the Clintons). Worshiping the Clinton's is religous fanatacism. Conservatives don't worship any politicians, when Bob Livingstone announced that he was an adulturer, my first thought was that he should resign. Government is not the center of the Universe. Liberals know their religion has been proven a loser through history and in the marketplace of ideas, so they need people like Hitlary to enforce it upon the marketplace of ideas. Poor little liberals - they can't compete and need Hitlary's to impose their religion on others.

Name: Gary Spier

email: GrySpr@aol.com

Message: Mrs. Clinton, what is your definition of democracy?

Name: Douglas Robson

email: dgrob2w@excite.com

Message: Hillary should now host SNL. Think about it.

Name: to N.Y. Lib

email:

Message:

You are proof positive that LIBERALISM IS THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES FOR OUR ERA

P.S.: Perhaps my desire to keep a serial felon/rapist/sexual predator/ pathological liar out of the White House is nothing more than pushing a little personal morality. Then again, if liberals had an iota of morality themselves, well, perhaps we would not have a man in the oval office who drops bombs on some third world nation every time his poll numbers seem shakey and someone who wouldn't sell our country out to the Chinese for few campaign contributions.

Name: NY Lib

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Message:

Planned Parenthood is a religion? And you call yourself 'Reality Check'? At least you have a sense of humor.

Name: to NY lib

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Message: In defense of "Reality Check" I'd say Planned Parenthood may not be the liberal religion (although that's not what "Reality Check" said anyway), but Abortion certainly is a central tenet of liberal morality. For example, the liberal NOW group accepts a sexual predator in the White House overlooking....excusing.....and even bashing ANY woman who dares speak out....in order to preserve abortion on demand.

Liberals are sell outs. They'll overlook anything to keep hold of power.

Name: Terence Hunt

email:

Message: Comeback Kid Comes Back Again
The landscape was looking bleak for President Clinton. His poll ratings had slipped, NATO's resolve was being strained and the conflict with Yugoslavia seemed mired in stalemate.

But Clinton's fortunes changed swiftly with Belgrade's agreement to a peace plan after 72 days of airstrikes.

The man who beat impeachment, frustrated a Republican majority in Congress and helped send two Republican House leaders packing appears to have scored another political victory.

Against long odds, he seems to have succeeded in defying both the critics and the conventional wisdom that you can't win a war merely with bombs.

For a president pursuing a legacy it's a big boost.

He fought a war and didn't lose a single man. That has to be a plus in all the World Almanacs hereafter.

Name: Reality Check

email: Why the explosion in Home Schooling

Message: The religion of Planned Parenthood: "Our goal is to be ready as educators and parents to help young people obtain sex satisfaction before marriage. By sanctioning sex before marriage, we will prevent fear and guilt." … "There are only two kinds of sex: sex with victims and sex without. Sex with victims is always wrong. Sex without is always right." … "Relax about loving, sex is fun and joyful, and courting is fun and joyful, and it comes in all types and styles, all of which are Okay. Do what gives pleasure, and enjoy what gives pleasure, and ask for what gives pleasure. Don't rob yourself of joy by focusing on old-fashioned ideas about what's normal or nice. Just communicate and enjoy."

Name: Reality Check

email: Gimme that Govt. School religion ...

Message: Missy and Tom are "high school sweethearts" who recently endured a PLANNED PARENTHOOD "Values Clarification" course in Los Angeles. In one exercise, Missy and Tom were brought to the front of the class and given a "decision making scenario" that they were supposed to respond to. "The way the teacher set it up," Missy explained, "was that Tom was supposed to have gotten me pregnant. On top of that, we both were supposed to have been kicked out of our homes by our parents, threatened with the loss of college scholarships, and facing the possibility of serious physical problems due to venereal disease. On that basis, we were supposed to decide, with the help of the rest of the class, whether or not we should have an abortion." "Of course, everyone in the class got a big kick out of this." Tom said. "They knew Miss and I are both Christians and that the whole premise of the silly charade was an insult to us." "When Tom explained right off that we'd have to accept the consequences of our sin, if we ever did fall into such rebellion, well the teacher got really mad at us, made fun of us, and then had the gall to give us a failing grade for the exercise," Missy recalled.

Name: Wall Streeter to NY Lib

email:

Message: Are you rewriting history? I ask because if I remember correctly William the Innocent did in fact get impeached and Susan McDougal did get convicted.

Name: Jeff Davis

email:

Message: I am noticing a growing trend in this country. People are getting divided up into 2 classes: 1) Those that want to tell everyone else what to do. 2) Those that want to be left alone. People like Hillary want the 2nd one wiped away.

Name: A Cruise

email: aaronc@interactive.net

Message: GO BACK TO ARKANSAS AND LEAVE US ALL ALONE!

Name: Billy Reiter

email: fmusic@ascenture.net

Message: Madam president, why don't you get a real job and quit stealing everything you own. Your transparency is crystal clear and you're no different from the war mongers and fatcat business tycoons you supposedly protested in the 60's. As a matter of fact, you're so bought and paid for, it's either do as your told or find your self totally ruined. Someday, you'll be facing the abortionist vacuum pump, so enjoy the days of wine and roses.

Name: Fudd (from E.A. too)

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Message: First off, HELLO!!!!! Western New York!!!!!!! R.Eimiller, Frank G. Anderson!!!!! Are we the only people in New York that can't stand the idea of Hillary coming to our already sad state?? I talk to many around these parts about this and most are opposed. People that normally don't vote are going to, just to keep her out. Alas we have to face the sad music, no matter who you vote for, you are voting for someone that doesn't give a rats ass about how you or your family live. This great county of Erie can't even drop a 4% sales tax on my underwear, at least the state dropped theirs. Yes folks, the state makes more money if I crap my drawers. Makes me wonder if they have investments in Taco bell and Olestra....... BTW:Yes I do and am a voter...not as much as i should tho. "Vote early and often"

Name: to NY Lib

email: Who's religion?

Message: What is the ultimate act of religious fanaticism? Child Sacrifice! Child sacrifice at the altar of convenience is the most "holy sacrament" of liberalism. The Clinton's have proven that there is one lobby/industry they will NEVER cross. That is the abortion industry. Liberals and the Clinton's are absolute FANATICS when it comes to child sacrifice at the altar of convenience.

Name: R. Eimiller

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Message: Hey Fudd, You Anderson and I could help organize a Western NY Chapter of an Anti Hillary grass roots group. This is funny, Thank You Hillary Clinton Forum Editor, you have given us a means to find others who feel the same way.

Of course 75% of all posters here are Anti Hillary and Billy. Wonder Why? ha ha Thank You Internet, we will overcome the slanted Main stream media and take our country and Liberty back.

Name: Disgusted

email: clinton@treason.gov

Message: “When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans... And so a lot of people say there’s too much personal freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it. That’s what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we’re going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.”
President Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV

“The Constitution is a radical document... it is the job of the government to rein in people’s rights.” Bill Clinton on MTV - 1992

“You know the one thing that’s wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say.” Bill Clinton May 29, 1993

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles...that we are unable to think about reality.” Bill Clinton USA Today, March 11, 1993

“U.S. citizens may soon have to choose between civil liberties and more intrusive forms of protection.” Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Remarks at the Adult Learning Center, New Brunswick, New Jersey, March 1, 1993

Don't for a moment think that THIS MAN'S WIFE holds dissimilar views. FOUR MORE YEARS? Only if you're talking about PRISON SENTENCES.

Name: Last Visible Dog to NY lib Sheeple

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Message:

What is with you Democrat Think-a-phobics. Brain activity really scares you. All you meaningless diatribes are full of factually incorrect propaganda feed to you by Democrat party bosses that assumes (correctly) that all the Democrat Sheeple are stupid or naïve or both.

First off - dim wit Democrats - a majority of American are conservative (the Democrats are the minority). The Republicans control the House, the Senate, a majority of Governors, and a majority of state legislatures. In the election of 1998 that Democrat lost in EVERY national category (and the Republicans won EVERY national category). Since the Clinton disaster over 300 elected Democrats abandoned the Democrat Party of Slavery and Servitude and join the big-tent Republican (not a single Republican joined the hate-filled Democrat party). NY Lib - everybody is laughing at you! Think for yourself and stop parroting the Democrat Party Bovine Feces Propaganda. NY Lib, a mind is a terrible thing to waste - emancipate yourself for Democrat Slavery - Join the Republicans, Hell - join Ross's party or the Libertarians but FREE you mind from the bondage of the Democrat party.

In the words of Bob Marley "emancipate your selves from mental slavery - none but ourselves can free our minds". Democrats - listen to these words! Stop looking to someone else to think for you - stop expecting Hillary and his "village" will save you or provide for you or think for you.

You spent countless hours and millions of dollars to impeach the President. You gave it your best shot, and you lost.

NY lib you are a good Democrat Slave Parrot. First, Bill "weasel boy" Clinton spent over 8 million dollars of taxpayer money in his 7 mouth campaign of lies - HE HAS ADMITTED TO LYING, you fool. Bill "weasel boy" Clinton's lying was the reason for the spending of million. Second, YOU FOOL, Bill "weasel boy" Clinton WAS impeached and REMAINS the FIRST elected president to be successfully impeach. NY lib, FREE YOUR MIND - think for yourself. The only one that lost was YOU when you decide to be a parrot for Democrat Propaganda!.

You spent countless hours and millions of dollars to reelect Al D'Amoto last November. You gave it your best shot, and you lost. YOU FOOL - the Republicans did not fund the New York senate race, that race was close, and both sides spent about the same amount of money. Remember - at the end of the day in 1998 the Republicans won every national category and the Democrats LOST every national category - THE DEMOCRAT WERE AND ARE the BIG LOSES. NY Lib - free you mind from Democrat Mental Slavery!

You spent countless hours and millions of dollars to convict Susan McDougal. You gave it your best shot, and you lost

YOU FOOL - the Republicans spent nothing on the trial of multiple convicted felon Susan McDougal - that was the Judicial System of the United States of American (YOU FOOL!). NY lib - are you against the judicial system of the United States? Ken Starr (the only SP to successfully impeach a setting president) was an officer of our legal system. YOU FOOL - are you hopping to overturn our system of laws? BTW - why didn't you count Susan McDougal successful felony convicts? Why didn't you point out that Ken Starr has won far more than he has lost (in a magnitude of about 10x). NY Lib - free yourself for the slavery of Democrat Propaganda. Another thing - FOOL - Ken Starr did not personally handle the last trial of Susan McDougal - FOOL!

You Democrat Slave Sheeple really amaze me!

-LVD

Name: Wall Streeter

email: http://wsj.com

Message: I was reading the "Rule of Law" column in the WSJ. Seems there me be a land in Hillary's way. It's the 'Incompatibility Clause', found in Article I, section 6, Clause 2 of the Constitution. It says: "No person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his [or her] Continuance in Office.

I guess it was a bad idea for the Clinton Administration to argue that, as First Lady, Mrs. Clinton was the functional equivalent of a government officer or employee.

Talk about getting hoisted on your own petard.

Name: Last Visible Dog to the Sheeple of the Cult of Hillary

email: persistence and perseverance always wins in the end...

Message:

(from the Washington Times, 6/7/99)

Independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr may have a surprise in store for Hillary Rodham Clinton as she ponders whether to run for a U.S. Senate seat in New York.

His final report on two pending criminal investigations may tie the first lady to the Whitewater and "Travelgate" scandals.

Although Mr. Starr has exonerated President Clinton of criminal acts in Whitewater, Travelgate and "Filegate," he has not done so for the first lady. Investigations are continuing into Whitewater and Travelgate and that prosecutorial decisions are "due soon."

Mr. Starr's office has written at least one draft indictment, accusing the first lady of lying to federal investigators about her role in the Whitewater affair.

The ongoing Whitewater and Travelgate inquiries have focused on Mrs. Clinton, particularly statements she made under oath about her role as a lawyer for Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan Association, and the 1993 firing of seven White House Travel Office workers who later were replaced by Clinton cronies.

...and you can hear the cheer boldly rising from the GOP RUN, HILLARY, RUN!!!

Name: Last Visible Dog to The Democrat Sheeple

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Message: Democrat Sheeple - guess what? Bill "weasel boy" Clinton is going to honor the New York Yankees in a White House ceremony this Thursday June 10, 1999. While the Yankees DID win the World Series - LAST YEAR! As is 8 months ago in October, it seems really strange the White House is honoring LAST YEAR's winners after this year's season is well under way. This is a giant poke in the eye to every other baseball team and their fans - The Yankees were LAST YEAR's winner, this year is still up for grabs. I have never heard of anything like this before!!! Could it be that the team just happens to be for NEW YORK and Hillary is desperate for positive media (now that she has slipped to second place in the polls). This kinda pandering and Democrat Bovine Fecal Matter should outrage everybody. Bill "weasel boy" Clinton is so confident that the Democrat Sheeple will make excuses for him that he does the stuff RIGHT INYOUR FACE (the Democrat Sheeple bent over, grab there ankles and scream "please sir, can I have some more").

Ponderous!

-LVD

Name: Tracy Gillespie

email: Tgillespie@bpihq.com

Message: Hillary: I have always been a liberal. Initially, when you and your husband were elected to the Presidency, I was elated. However, since you have chosen to lie and conceal your husbands disgusting and unlawful behavior, I have decided that I can no longer support you or your husband. The Chinese espionage, the affairs with teen-aged girls, the constant references to your lesbianism, it all goes on and on. Please do the right thing for the liberal cause, and just go back to Arkansas with your disgusting husband so we can all get on with our lives and forget you both. Most Sincerely, Tracy Gillespie

Name: Curtis Anderson

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Message: This is kind of funny. The last gasp of the Clinton-haters, it looks like. Well, have your fun. Hillary Clinton, once she leases her Manhatan apartment (which it looks like she did today) is legally qualified to run for teh US Senate from New York. Chances are pretty good she'll be elected, too. But lok for more mud-slinging of that very special Republigun sort along the way. For a real education, you should really read the column that Alphonse D'Amato wrote in the current "George" giving all the reasons he thought Ken Starr did a really crappy job as Idependent Counsel. It is amusing and instructive. If I were in New York, it is certain I would vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton over Rudolph Giuliani, or Rick Lazio. My guess is other people will too.

Name: To NY Lib (the real one)

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Message: Welcome aboard and bring your friends. We need more reflective liberals on this forum.

The informal Hillary Forum pollsters are right about one thing, the VRWC (vast right wing conspiracy) do outnumber us sincere and thoughtful people on this forum.

I know what most people think after they post something real and get bashed and insulted and accused of horrible things by the VRWC, but let's all keep our heads up high and be proud to stand FOR something, not just be AGAINST everything and everyong.

Name: Jon Tampico

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Message: Damn right editor. I'm so sick of those intolerant, hate-filled, dogmatic, extremist, judgemental, right-wing PIGS always saying bad things about Hillary. Hillary is one of the most kind and caring people in our land, just look what she has done to advance women's rights and diversity. Go girl!

Name: Last Visible Dog to Curtis Anderson

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Message:

Are all Minority Party Democrat Sheeple unable to muster the intelligence necessary to operate a BLOODY spell checker? Is stupidity, gullibly, naivete, and propaganda parroting skills an absolute requirement to be accepted into the Democrat Mental Slavery Party? Judging by the writings of our buddy Curtis - the answer is a resounding "Yeah, baby!".

I find you Democrat Sheeple very amusing when say the Republicans are practicing "dirty tricks" when they expect Hillary to run on her record. THINK! Democrat Sheeple - ALL candidates run on their record (Hillary is not the first). Hillary's record: lying, hypocrisy, cheating, bribery, etc. the only legislative experience Hillary has was the Hillary Health Care disaster in which Hillary spent millions of taxpayer dollars on a Risky Ill-conceived Heath Care plan that was created (in violation of the constitution) by a group of Hillary's lawyer friends and not a single doctor - one highlight of Hillary Heath Care was the law that would throw doctors in jail if they performed "fee for service" care (cutting the government out of the loop). Hillary Health Care Scheme was such a disaster that the Democrat controlled House and Senate refused to ever debate it! American's were so thrilled with Hillary Health Care and the Democrat Mental Slavery Party that a few months latter they threw the Democrat party out of power - giving the reigns of government over to the Republican (big-tent) Party (this control has remained through three election cycles). Go for it Hillary - if you become a political figure again (and relinquish your title of Queen of the United States) the GOP can almost guarantee they will sweep the election retaining control of the House, the Senate, and soon the White House. If Hillary runs it will be the death nail in the coffin that is the Gore Presidential campaign.

Curtis - There are more American's registered as Republicans than there are Democrats. The Democrat Mental Slavery Party is now (has been)(and will be) the minority fringe party. The Party of Porn - The Party of Propaganda - The Party of Lies -The Party of Adulterous Oral Sex with a Subordinate employee half you age - The Party of "It is OK to rape a women and remain president as long as there is a "D" by your name" - The Party of Larry Flynt - The Bill "weasel boy" Clinton Party - The "depends on what the meaning of is - is" Party.

If Perfidiousness and Chicanery are the highest ethical standards you are striving to obtain - then the Democrat Party is YOUR Party!

Party on...

-LVD

Name: David M. Simons

email: Rally time, rally time

Message: Ya, it's time to rally around our Hillary. Some intolerant homophobe criticized Planned Parenthood above. Planned Parenthood and the deocratic pary stand for what is good about our culture. All those intolerant, right-wing prudes want to do is tear down all that we have acclopmished. Stand proud to be a Hillary supporter, be proud of Planned Parenthood and all that Hillary stands for. Hillary and us will continue to educate the children of this land. The children need Hillary!

Name: Wall Streeter

email: Reality@check.Gov

Message: David M. Simons,
Gee wiz, Hillary will continue to educate children? I hope it's not like she educated them in Arkanasas, rankd #48th state for education. She knows the Public Education system so well that she sent her child to a private school.(What is 'acclopmished?') When you sober up don't let reality hit you too hard.

What is the 'deocratic party?' I haven't heard of that one yet.

Name: Fudd

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Message: I see people with pretty flowers in their hand calling conservatives uncaring people. You picture us as gun toting, gay bashing, unforgiving monsters. You tell people that we are haters and do not care for our fellow man. (and woman) Well, I am a conservative and I would run into a burning building to get your cat "Fluffy" out. I would use my GUN to stop someone from raping, killing, brutalizing my fellow human. I was appalled that Mr. Clinton wasn't thrown out of office. Does this make me a conspirator? Does this make me part of evil? If you can't see the facts of what the Clintons and others have done that definitely point to guilt, then I feel sad for you. When Mr. Clinton was not removed for office, it proved once and for all, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this country is no longer for and by the people, nor ruled by a set of laws equally. This country has become an aristocracy! Our founding fathers saw this happening. That is why we have the right to bare arms, NOT to hunt bear!!!!! It was insurance against a tyrannical government. Now, I am NOT saying go out and start the slaughter. What I am saying is that instead of gushy sentiment and blind living, apathy and gullibility. READ the damn Constitution, see what RIGHTS they have taken from you already. See how they have warped and altered the core of this great nation. Read the things our framers said about why things were put into that great document, the meanings behind them. Mr. Star is a VERY honorable man, he did his job, and did it well. He uncovered allot of things. Remember my friends.....OJ was innocent too! Well, I've rambled on long enough. So, to finish the point I was trying to make... Why are all the Pro-dems here so, "Yay team, go go" and have nothing intelligent to say? See you on the flip side...FUDD

Name: Dr. Feelgood

email: Some thoughts

Message: This site is therapy for the disenfranchised Hillary supporters. These poor souls just can't make it in the real world so they come here to escape. Just as children like to fantasize of a "Superman" that will save the day, liberals like to fantasize that Hillary will save them and their culture. The reality of moral absolutes is just too much of a burden for some, the Clinton's try to defy moral absolutes by "spinning" away reality with self-serving propaganda. Kind of like the old Soviet Union, the people will eventually become numb to the propaganda and the reality of the havoc caused by liberalism will eventually sober some of them up. Hopefully BEFORE the Clinton's bring the culture to their absurd conclusion. The great thing about liberty and capitalism is that there will be enough people who recognize the futility of Hillary/liberalism and reject it. I feel sorry for the students in the socialist boot camps (govt. education), may their parents and/or peers save them from the socialist indoctrination they are being forced to endure. God bless America, thank you forefathers for your wisdom and foresight.

Name: Bobo the Magnificent

email: bobo@whitehouse.gov

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We need more reflective liberals on this forum.

...wearing their shiney little tin foil hats!

Name: Jack Secker

email: jake@globec.com.au

Message: Dear First Lady. This is a personal quetion. I write from Australia. My wife studies Astrology and would like to know your Birth TIME so as to make up a chart for you. We would appreciate an affirmative reply. Thanking You in advance. Yours Sincerely, Jack and Dulcie Secker.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

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Since I can't link you to it, here's the whole article:

The Mad Boomer
By Peggy Noonan, a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal and author of "Strictly Speaking" (Regan Books, 1998).

NEW YORK--"To think of all they've put us through--and now they won't even go away. Who are these people? And why do they think they are necessary to us?" So said a nice liberal Democrat from Manhattan, colorfully indignant recently at Hillary Clinton's intention to become a senator from the state of New York. Most of the women I know feel the same way. One, a writer and reporter who votes Democratic, told me, "This is how I feel: Lady, keep your hands off my state." These people are Mrs. Clinton's base.

Their resistance is understandable. For Mrs. Clinton to launch this candidacy because (as a conservative would see it) she wants to fill the vacuum in her life with our money and our freedom, to launch it (as a liberal might put it) because she's working out some revenge psychodrama and thinks New York should pay for the therapy;

To say to a state that you have no connection to, no history with, no previously demonstrated interest in--to say to a state whose greatest city you have treated for seven years as your own personal cash machine, a city where your greatest impact has been the traffic nightmares you cause as you motorcade north from Wall Street to Park and 96th in your relentless search for campaign money-- To say to this great state full of gifted people that you deserve to be its senator is an act of such mad boomer selfishness and narcissism that even from the Clintons--the Gimme and Getme of American politics--it is an act of utter and breathtaking gall.

And of course she may well win.

Modern people have a way of absorbing the brazen, factoring it in, in time discounting it. For some New Yorkers, gall isn't a flaw but a lifestyle choice, one of the seven habits of highly effective people. Mrs. Clinton is a star, and New York likes stars. She will have the support of unions, and New York has unions. She is slippery and pragmatic and won't play the part of the liberal. She has a human shield in the Secret Service, and won't be as exposed as other candidates. She'll raise a lot of money with ease, and she'll have top-flight media.

She is already running a shrewdly calculated campaign. Take the not so slowly accelerating number of trips to New York that began three months ago--Hillary with children, Hillary at a school, Hillary meeting with local mayors, etc. She knows that this early in a campaign everything is a blur on a TV screen; the blur-impression she is creating is that Mrs. Clinton is here a lot. In another three months it will be Hillary kind of lives here . . . she must have an apartment here . . . she sure cares about us. On Election Day a year and a half from now, some New Yorkers will think she is already our senator, running for re-election. Take the almost accidental slipping into "we New Yorkers" and "our state." When she first did this two months ago, she knew it would be the lead on the 11 o'clock news: Was it a slip or a declaration? Hillary Clinton says we New Yorkers lead the nation in apple production. The next time she said it, smaller headline. Now she says it with no headline, just the steady drumbeat--we, our, us.

All of this is an attempt to create an impression that will fool the distracted. And if there's one thing the Clintons have learned in 25 years in politics, it's that a lot of voters are distracted. This is the word they use when they're being polite.

What comes next? How will she run? As we think about this, we should keep in mind Nora Ephron's comment of some years back: "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up."

When Mrs. Clinton announces, she will make a virtue of necessity and request, with a straight face, that she be treated like any other candidate in New York. (Upcoming headline from the New York Press: "Welcome Ms. Putzhead!") But many people, as she knows, will find it hard to oblige. They can't help treating a first lady with particular respect.

There will be a war room--there is always a war room with the Clintons--staffed by spinners. They will tell her to act out humility. "Be modest on the stump--admit you don't know everything. That's how to put it, 'everything.' Say, 'I love New York and I want to be its advocate, to speak for this state in a national platform and uphold its interests in Washington. But I'm not gonna pretend I know everything. So I want to hear your concerns, so we can begin our dialogue.'"

There will be a speech in which she talks about the first time she came to New York, and saw the glittering towers, and fell in love with the vitality and energy on the streets, and hoped one day to return.

The carpetbagger issue will be cleverly spun. George Will asked Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.) on Sunday if the Founders didn't intend a senator from a state actually to be from and of that state. Mr. Schumer said the Founders in their wisdom left it to the states to formulate their own residency requirements. Then he delivered a little homily that was marvelous in its audacity. New York, he said, is full of immigrants who came here to follow their dream. And Hillary too comes here as an immigrant, eager to work and contribute. Mr. Schumer seemed to be road-testing a line. She will use it. Drawing a parallel between herself and new Americans will align her with a growing and significant part of the electorate. Look for speeches in which she speaks of "We newcomers to New York . . ."

Her vinegary, experienced aides will fight like tigers. Harold Ickes, abused in the past by the Clintons, has what appears to be battered-wife syndrome--I can't leave, he needs me!--but is a serious ideologue who makes serious use of derived power. James Carville will be even worse than usual. Mr. Carville is on a roll, having just helped to elect Ehud Barak in Israel. He'll be in charge of spinning her support for a Palestinian state and privately reassuring Jewish supporters. Watch for statements from Mr. Barak a year from now that Israel doesn't feel at all threatened by Mrs. Clinton's position.

Because Mrs. Clinton is loyal not to place but to position, she will easily make the leap from patronizing Hot Springs to patronizing Staten Island. She will hide her condescension well and speak to the locals with warmth and humor. The old good-natured crowing about how Arkansas has the biggest watermelons in the country will become new good-natured crowing about the best cannoli in the world.

It will be hard for Republicans to blast her positions in advance, because her pollsters haven't told her what they are yet. But she will campaign as a moderate. She will stand with police union members on the steps of medium-sized city halls and deliver speeches in which she supports community policing, the death penalty and a ban on "cop killer" bullets. She will stand with nurses' union members under banners that say "Better Health Care for All" and say we have to fight "so that the hard working people of New York aren't bankrupted by hospitals and ignored by HMOs." There will be no specifics.

She will spend a lot of the campaign in grade schools, reading to children and speaking with indignation about how "the forces of cynicism and shortsightedness" want to "take money from our public schools to finance their experiments"--vouchers, charter schools--"and leave our new citizens, our immigrants and those who have been left behind in a brutally broken system."

She will tirelessly front for the teacher's unions and oppose the school-liberation movement that she knows would probably help the children she claims to stand for. But she will hew to the party line, gambling that no one will nail her on it.

Which brings us to the media. While they are not in the tank for Mrs. Clinton, they will practice a rampant, subtle, unspoken self censorship. No one in the elite media, the networks and big stations, the national magazines or big newspapers will go after her. They don't like her, but they associate themselves with her politics, and they will not press her on her previous statements, on the financial scandals, the hidden billing records, the private eyes, the Republican FBI files illegally gotten by the former barroom bouncer she hired. They will congratulate themselves on avoiding sleaze and innuendo. In return they'll get exclusive interviews.

Intrepid reporters who break from the pack will be reduced to yelling "What about Juanita Broaddrick?" as Mrs. Clinton hurries by the rope line. They'll be called hecklers and harassers; NBC, CBS and ABC will do pieces on "Hillary Faces the Gauntlet," taking a wry look at the famously irreverent New York press. Cut to the guy yelling "How did you make that hundred grand?" and then a close-up of Hillary being interviewed by a sympathetic anchor. She'll says she understands how passionate people get about politics, but that our political process has gotten uglier, which is sad. She will be noble. She may bite her lip.

The entire campaign will be animated by the central insight she has derived in the years since 1991: Voters can be fooled, and mesmerized by repetition. A word here on the strange way they learned. Twenty years ago Ronald Reagan used words and events to communicate truths: America is good; democracy is the best form of government; the government should be our servant and not our master; the Cold War can be won.

Hillary's generation of liberal political operatives watched, learned and added a variation: They would use words and images not to reveal but to obscure, not to clarify but to confuse. They would mislead their way to power. They felt they were justified: They didn't think anything Mr. Reagan said was true, and yet the people supported him. Ergo they were manipulated. Ergo we will manipulate too.

Hillary's New York campaign will show whether they've run this way of campaigning into the ground, or turned it into yet another victory.

Name: e olson

email: pompelmous@hotbot.com

Message: Way to go Hillary. Stay focused and you will soon be Senator. One suggestion: get rid of that rapist oaf! You are sending the wrong signal to so many women in abussive situations. Show the world that you can function and thrive without clinging to the pants leg of a cad who has shown no respect for you or your daughter. Hillary, can you spell divorce?

Name: ControlGirl

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Message: I agree whole heartedly with the thoughts of Dr. Feelgood and Fudd. It is good to see someone take the time to express a complete, supported thought on this forum again instead of all of the wise cracks and links to this place and that place and pastes of other things. Here's a rousing round of applause for my heroes for the day.

Name: Wall Streeter

email: NEW YORK POST 6/8/99

Message: HILLARY" ELMIRA GAP

It was Jillary Rodham Clinton tat her most sanctimonious.

Name: Squish the Witch

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Message: illary Clinton has no credentials for the job. She has never been elected to anything by anyone and she has accomplished nothing of importance over her 25 years as a political spouse. Her resume is unimpressive. She was a partner who couldn't meet her revenue targets at a second- tier law firm in a third-rate state. She worked closely at that firm with two other partners; one who committed suicide under mysterious circumstances and the other a convicted felon and thief. During that time she entered into a corrupt real estate partnership that to this day she has never adequately explained. Also during that time, she made $100,000 with a $1,000 stake in the commodities market by reading, she said, The Wall Street Journal. Would that we were all so literate. When her husband first ran for president, she engaged the services of Betsy Wright, his former chief of staff, to set up a vast statewide organization to suppress information about his sexual adventurism. In this effort, she and Wright were successful. When they were not, as in the case of Gennifer Flowers, Hillary took to the airwaves to defend her husband's reputation, knowing all the while that she was engaged in blatant deception. After her husband was elected president, she managed the debacle that was national health insurance. It was roundly rejected in large measure because of her strategy and tactics and led inexorably to the wholesale dismissal of Democrats from both Houses of Congress. She was promptly deep-sixed by the president's handlers and remade as his helpmate. After his reelection, there followed humiliation and degradation so complete it was a wonder she could appear in public. When news of Monica first broke, she blamed it all on a "vast right-wing conspiracy." When every word of it turned out to be true, she was left to wallow in the wake of her husband's disgrace. Mrs. Clinton's campaign for the U.S. Senate is being positioned as an existential mission, during which she will connect with voters and in so doing find her voice. It is more likely a prelude to a possible presidential candidacy in the year 2004 or 2008. She is nothing if not power-hungry and has a zealot's certainty about the righteousness of her stance. But in the end, it is a delusion. She will not win because her candidacy isn't about New York, or the people who live here, or what she might do for them. It's about her. It's her movie, which she stars in and directs. The problems of others are important only to the degree that they forward her plot. The moment New Yorkers collectively understand this -- that they're being used -- will be the moment that her candidacy curdles. What might have been "you go girl," will become "just go away."

Name: Last Visible Dog

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Trust me - the moron that posted the "titty" picture was NOT the REAL Last Visible Dog.
If I posted a picture of breasts - they would be a bit less, how shall I say, southerly inclined.

Last Visible Dog - except no cheap liberal imitations!

BTW - in the spirit of good spelling, is the word spelled "tittie", "titty", "titdy" or should I have said Taa, Taa's or Chi Chi's or Mammalian Protrusions or (the every popular "dirty pillows" for all you Steve King fans) or Winnebagos….

-LVD

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Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

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Message: I prefer "bazookas", "funbags", or "ta-ta-lingos" myself.

I refer to the act of sucking on them as "ta-ta-lingus"

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Name: Last Visible Dog

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Try Again

Last Visible Dog - except no cheap liberal imitations!

Should be:

Last Visible Dog - accept no cheap liberal imitations!

-LVD

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Are Democrats weasels or what?

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Democratic operative tape-recorded what was supposed to be a confidential meeting between Republican presidential hopeful Rep. John Kasich and drug-addicted women at their shelter, according to Kathy Sullivan, chairwoman of the New Hampshire Democratic Party.

Officials of the Odyssey Family Center in Canterbury, N.H., complained to Sullivan, saying they invite all presidential candidates to speak on the condition of confidentiality. They asked the operative to turn over the tape during the meeting Tuesday but were refused, Sullivan said.

``Is nothing sacred anymore?'' Kasich wrote. ``Is there ever a time anymore when we can simply be Americans, instead of Republicans and Democrats looking for political advantage?'' He said the visit ``wasn't even a political event,'' although he talked about it at his next campaign stop.

Kasich campaign spokesman Todd Harris insisted it was a non-political visit.

Harris said Kasich is concerned about outsiders hearing what the women said, not about anything he said.

Kasich ``should be flattered, considering his standing in the polls, that someone actually followed him around that day,'' Sullivan said.

Is this amazing or what? In the Clinton years when a Democrat gets caught breaking the rules, they try to blame the victim. This Democrat hose-bag actually said Kasich should be thankful that the Democrats violated the rules - is this amazing or what?

-LVD

Name: Hillary is a Crook (part 1)

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Message: NATIONAL REVIEW February 20, 1995 Caroline Baum & Victor Niederhoffer Is Hillary Clinton a better commodities trader than George Soros, or did she just get really, really lucky? Both explanations leave something to be desired. When Newt Gingrich told a Republican audience recently that his lucrative book deal paled in comparison with Hillary Clinton's cattle-trading profits, the Speaker's comments were greeted with wild applause and raucous laughter. Opened to public scrutiny less than a year ago, Mrs. Clinton's one-hundred-fold return from trading futures has already become part of popular lore. Whenever anyone is suspected of making a fast buck nowadays, the First Lady's adventure in commodities trading is bound to come to mind. On October 11, 1978, the future First Lady, a neophyte investor with an annual income of $25,000, opened a commodity-futures account with a deposit of $1,000. Her first trade was the short sale of ten live-cattle contracts at a price of 57.55 cents a pound: a commitment to deliver in December of that year 400,000 pounds of cattle with a market value of $230,200. One day later, she bought the contracts back at a price of 56.10 cents, just 0.15 cent above the low of the day, pocketing $5,300 for a return of 530 per cent. Mrs. Clinton continued to be a net winner at the game. By the time she closed her trading account ten months later, she had racked up $99,541 in profits, a spectacular 10,000 per cent return on her initial investment of $1,000. Either Mrs. Clinton was a better trader than the legendary George Soros, whose best-ever annual return in thirty years of trading was 122 per cent, or she was led by an invisible hand. During a press conference last April, the First Lady attributed her success to her advisor James Blair's "theory that because of the economy in the early part of the 1970s, a lot of cattle herds had been liquidated, so that there was going to be a big opportunity to make money in the late Seventies." After examining Mrs. Clinton's trading records, Leo Melamed, the father of financial futures and former chairman of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, and Jack Sandner, the Merc's current chairman, found nothing irregular except, on occasion, insufficient margin in her account. Anyone could have done as well, these gentlemen said, given the doubling of cattle prices during her year of trading. Mr. Melamed called the brouhaha over the First Lady's financial affairs " a tempest in a teapot." Mr. Sandner attributed her success to her "trading the biggest bull market in the history of cattle. If something caught that trend and traded it well, they could make an extraordinary amount of money, a lot more than $100,000 on a small investment." Yet Mrs. Clinton bucked the trend and traded it well. Most of her trades, including her first two, her last two, and her single most profitable trade (in dollar terms) were initiated from the short side, anticipating a decline in cattle prices. Short selling by the public is extremely rare, especially on a first trade. When one considers that both the investor and her trading advisor were using a herd-reduction theory to capitalize on the biggest bull market in cattle in history, the success of her short sales raises a bright red flag. In other situations where the legitimacy of a transaction is suspect, the courts are guided by the common-law doctrine, enunciated by Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia in the 1994 BFP v. Resolution Trust Corporation, that "a transfer of title for a grossly inadequate (or in some cases grossly excessive) consideration would raise a rebuttable presumption of actual fraudulent intent." Except for press conference or two attended by sympathetic journalists not familiar with commodities trading, the First Lady has done nothing to rebut that presumption. In Search of Slime Cases of fraud are notoriously hard to prove. In the investigation of a suspected fraud, the prosecutor does not expect to uncover a document outlining the terms of an illicit financial transfer between two parties. Similarly, an insurance investigator does not expect to find an arsonist standing on the fire-ravaged premises with match and empty gasoline can in hand. But the clues are there. Despite their best efforts, perpetrators of fraud usually leave a slimy trail-what fraud investigators refer to as badges or indicia. As the Tennessee Supreme Court put it in the 1835 case Floyd v. Goodwin, "Fraud has to be ferreted out by carefully following its marks and signs, for fraud will in most instances, though ever so artfully and secretly contrived, like the snail in its passage, leave it slime by which it may be traced." Insurance investigators have an objective list of marks and signs that they look for when a presumption of fraud exists. In cases where arson is suspected, one of the first questions a fire investigator tries to answer is: Was the pet removed from the premises? Medical fraud might be indicated when the medical bills in question are photocopies, or if they fail to itemize office visits and treatments. In cases of automobile-accident fraud, one marker would be a claimant's attempt to discourage an insurance investigator from looking at the damaged vehicle. As far as we know, there are no indicia for commodities-trading fraud. So we took it upon ourselves to develop a checklist of fraud indicators that would apply to a broad range of financial trickery. We are confident that any investment activity that scores high on our test merits a red flag. We have rated the likely legitimacy of Mrs. Clinton's activities on a scale ranging from 1 (highly likely) to 10 (highly unlikely) for each of ten criteria. 1.Were the returns excessive as measured against a normal yardstick of performance? Yes. As discussed above, Mrs. Clinton's annual return was more than eighty times George Soros's in his best year. As far as we know, no non-professional has ever achieved a return of that magnitude. Stanley Kroll, a well-known commodities broker who worked at three major firms at that time, has written that none of his retail customers turned a profit. Neither did those of any of his colleagues at other firms. Even Mrs. Clinton's trading advisor, Jim Blair, who says he was "damn good" at making money in commodities, declared bankruptcy with a $15-million trading loss shortly after his pupil stopped trading. Score: 10 points. 2.Has there been any effort to suppress investigation of the transaction? Yes. Mrs. Clinton was adamantly opposed to the appointment of a special prosecutor to look into her and her husband's financial dealings, including her own trading activities, during the late 1970s and 1980s. She attempted to deflect attention from the matter by explaining away newfound wealth as a gift from her parents, until the Clinton's 1978 and 1979 tax returns were made public and the actual source of her windfall profit was revealed. Furthermore, despite our repeated and friendly requests to both the First Lady's and the White House's press representatives, none of our questions concerning the elementary details of Mrs. Clinton's trades and the availability of original documentation has been answered. Score: 10 points. 3.Are crucial records of the transaction missing or available only in duplicate form? Yes. The purchase and sale confirmations for Mrs. Clinton's two most profitable trades are lost or missing. Her first, extraordinary transaction is also among the missing. The details were furnished by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Mrs. Clinton has no independent recollection of her first trade, which produced a 530 per cent return overnight. You can be sure that Fernando Valenzuela hasn't forgotten the five shutouts in his first seven games as a rookie pitcher for the Los Angeles Dodgers in 1981. Score: 10 points. 4.Did the suspect alter his story regarding the activity in question? Yes. The White House furnished ever-changing versions of Mrs. Clinton's trading activities. First, we were told she did her own research, relying primarily on the Wall Street Journal, and placed all of her own trades. Then mentor James Blair played an advisory role, but she made the decisions, determined the size, and placed all the trades. As it now stands, she relied on Blair's advice, and placed most of her trades. When queried, the First Lady said the confusion was the result of the way the story was communicated to the press. Score: 10 points. 5.Were a good portion of the purchases and sales executed near the most favorable prices of the day? Yes. As noted, Mrs. Clinton's first trade of ten live-cattle contracts (sold short) was followed by a purchase at a price just 0.15 cent above the day's low. The odds of a retail trader buying at a price 15 points off the intraday low on a ten-contract trade are about the same as those of finding the Dead Sea Scrolls on the steps of the State House in Little Rock. Many of Mrs. Clinton's subsequent transactions were executed near the day's extremes, including her last big trade in July 1979. At a time when her account was $18,000 under water, she managed to sell fifty live-cattle contracts 0.12 cent from the high on a day when prices dropped by the 1.5-cent limit. Her very last trade was a purchase of fifty cattle contracts just 0.05 cent above the low of the day. Such precision trading would be enviable for a trader who spends every second of the trading day glued to the screen. It is a dazzling coup for a non-professional like Mrs. Clinton, who had many other claims on her time, such as litigating for the Rose Law Firm, serving on corporate boards, crusading for children's right, chairing the Legal Services Corporation, and performing various duties as the governor's wife. Until Hillary's diaries and Rose's time sheets become public and reveal her whereabouts between the opening and closing of the cattle pit each day she traded, we cannot award her a perfect score. Score: 8 points. 6.Was there anything unusual about the suspect's behavior or anything irregular about the activity in question? Yes. As mentioned earlier, Mrs. Clinton, a neophyte investor with nearly no savings, traded the biggest bull market in the history of cattle primarily from the short side. Her first three transactions were short sales. The irregularities connected with her first trade alone should have tripped the security system. The commission of $500 and bid-asked spread of around $600 on such a trade came to more than her entire initial equity of $1,000. So from the moment she entered her first transaction she had already lost more than she could afford to lose. Unlike that of most traders, Hillary's trading activity reveals no discernible pattern. She bought and sold everything from one and two lots to sixty contracts at a time. In her waning days as a speculator, she day-traded fifty contracts at a time when she already had an open position of 65 contracts. Score: 10+ points. 7.Was the risk in the trading program inconsistent with the customer's net income and net worth? Yes. Mrs. Clinton's 1978 earned income of $24,250 from the Rose Law Firm partnership and husband Bill's $26,500 as Arkansas attorney general are considerably lower than the minimums set by most brokerage houses for opening a commodities-trading account. If for some reason Mrs. Clinton had lost rather than won $100,000 where would she have come up with the money? On three separate occasions (in November 1978, December 1978, and July 1979), the value of Mrs. Clinton's open positions was well in excess of $1 million for days at a time, and in two cases for up to three weeks. A 2 to 5 per cent move---the sort of move that occurs about once every two weeks---in the wrong direction would have wiped out not only the Clintons' net income for the year but also their entire net worth. Their joint political aspirations would have gone up in smoke if the governor-elect had been forced to declare personal bankruptcy as a result of his wife's speculations in commodities futures. Score: 10 points. 8.Was the suspect in a position to do a favor for any of the other parties involved? Yes. Hillary's advisor, James Blair, was not only a family friend, but also counsel of Tyson Foods, the largest chicken processor in the world and Arkansas's biggest employer. According to a 1994 article in the New York Times Magazine, the company's chairman, Don Tyson, viewed "politics as a series of unsentimental transactions between those who need votes and those who have money a world where every quid has a quo." Clearly Tyson had money, and he put it on Bill Clinton in 1978. In return, as reported in The New York Times Magazine, he expected the new governor to raise the legal truckweight limit in Arkansas so that Tyson Foods could compete with out-of-state poultry truckers. Blair may also have been balancing an item in his own account. In the early months of the Carter Administration, Bill Clinton coordinated federal patronage in Arkansas, and one of his first moves in this area was to recommend Blair for the chairmanship of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board. In Keys to Crookdom, written in 1924, George C. Henderson comments: "The great grafter does not buy government officials after they are elected, as a rule. He owns them beforehand." And, in a prescient conclusion: "Occasionally good and faithful servants are rewarded by attorneys' fat fees, gifts and market tips in addition to emoluments of the office." Score: 10 points. 9.Was there any history of illegal, irregular, or unethical behavior on the part of the broker? Yes. Red Bone, the broker of record for both Mr. Blair and Mrs. Clinton, was suspended from trading for a year, even before he left Tyson Foods to run the Refco brokerage office in Springdale, Arkansas, for trying to corner the egg-futures market. In 1979, Red was disciplined by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for "serious and repeated violations of record-keeping functions, order-entry procedures, margin requirements, and hedge procedures." Refco was fined $250,000, at the time the largest fine ever levied for commodity-trading violations. One of Refco's Springdale brokers at the time has admitted under oath that the firm was buying and selling blocks of contracts and allocating them to customers after the market closed. In one instance, after being chastised by their superiors in Refco's Chicago headquarters, the brokers had to set back the time-stamp clock before stamping the day's trades to give appearance that account allocations had been properly made. Score: 10 points. 10.Were rules, regulations, and normal operating procedures violated? Yes. Mrs. Clinton insists that despite the advice she received from James Blair, she maintained a non-discretionary account. Any non-broker who places an order for a customer is, by definition, acting in a discretionary capacity and must file the appropriate documents. And in view of Mrs. Clinton's busy schedule and the precision timing of many of her trades, it is likely that Mr. Blair placed the orders without consulting her. Yet no discretionary forms were ever filed. Finally, it is inconceivable that a prudent broker would assume all of the risk exposure for a client who did not have the funds to support her positions without a third-party guarantee. Score: 10 points. Hillary's total score on our financial hanky-panky scale is 98 out of 100, catapulting her to the top of the class for potential commodities fraud. A detailed examination of her trades seemed in order. We started with records of each purchase and sale confirmation and all of the monthly statements that were provided by the White House. Next we looked at the high, low, open, and close on each of these days to see how her fills compared to what was available. Finally, we calculated the unrealized gains, required margin, available equity, and commitments outstanding for each day during Mrs. Clinton's ten months of trading. Backed by legions of data, we were prepared to rebut the First Lady's contention that "there isn't any evidence that anybody gave me any favorable treatment." Our analysis of the data and other documents yielded these observations: 1.Mrs. Clinton's account was undermargined by $50,000 to $80,000 during a one-month period beginning November 10, 1978. Again in July 1979, her margin requirements were approximately $100,000 for several days, when there was negative equity (minus $30,000) in the account. A normal rule of thumb for commodity traders is to maintain equity of at least five times the margin requirement. Mrs. Clinton routinely reversed this ratio, maintaining equity around one-fifth of her required margin. 2.Her total equity would have been wiped out on three occasions, taking into account the commissions due and the cost of exiting the trades. On July 17, the commissions and bid-asked spreads on newly opened positions, added to her existing deficit going into the day, could have totally wiped out the family's net worth, even without any market move against her. 3.Her name was misspelled "Hilary" on all the official brokerage statements she produced, raising question of whether the statements were ever mailed to the detailed-oriented attorney. 4.Her first two monthly statements reveal identical misalignments and faulty keystrokes on certain letters, raising doubts as to their authenticity. It wouldn't take a great stretch of the imagination to conclude that they were generated simultaneously in an effort to cover the slimy trail. 5.Withdrawals from her account consistently kept her equity below $15,000. After each big win, she withdrew the spoils. Finally, after making about $100,000 in four days in July 1979, she closed her account down. Such behavior is inconsistent with human nature, as observed any day in Las Vegas or Atlantic City, as well as with Mrs. Clinton's insistence that she reinvested her profits. 6.Two-thirds of her trades showed a profit by the close of the day she entered them, and 80 per cent of her trades, on both the long and the short sides, were ultimately profitable, percentages that are rarely achieved by the most successful professionals. 7.Commissions and slippage of her trades totaled more than 37 times her initial equity. 8.Most of her 33 trades were for five or ten lots. But on three occasions Mrs. Clinton traded fifty or sixty contracts, positions that would normally require about $1 million in equity to support. Each of these trades was entered at extraordinary favorable levels relative to the price range of the day and was highly profitable at day's end. On two of the large trades the overnight profits pushed a negative equity into the black. Had Mrs. Clinton lost on any of the large trades, the implications for her "investment program" would have been dire. 9.For a two-week period in July 1979, the equity in her account swung from negative $31,000 to positive $62,000. Finally, after the purchase of fifty contracts just a gnat's eyelash above the low of the day, the account was closed with a withdrawal of $60,000, bringing total withdrawals to more than $99,000. Mrs. Clinton was allowed to trade like a millionaire, in the process violating numerous rules and procedures that industry professionals have developed to prevent financial catastrophe to customer and brokerage house alike. 10.More egregious than any of these other red flags of commodity-trading fraud was the size of Mrs. Clinton's commitments. From day one, the size of her positions was wildly out of line with the equity available to absorb loss. On November 13, 1978, with $13,000 in her account, she controlled a position of 62 contracts with an underlying market value of $1.9 million. On December 11, 1978, she $6,000 in her account and a ninety-contract position valued at $2.3 million. And on her third to last day of trading, July 17, 1979, she had 115 contracts outstanding with a market value of $3.2 million. The equity in her account was a negative $18,000. The fluctuations in the price of Hillary's cattle commitments taken in 1978 and 1979 averaged 1 per cent a day from close to close and 2 per cent from high to low. On unusual days, once or twice a month, cattle prices fluctuate by 4 or 5 per cent. All commodity traders know that they must be sufficiently liquid to withstand such extreme swings and avoid financial ruin. One 4 or 5 per cent adverse fluctuation in Mrs. Clinton's position would have constituted five times her annual income and five times net worth. And this is just a one-day move. Commodities have a nasty habit of moving against you for several days in a row, right to the point where you are forced to liquidate. But whenever Mrs. Clinton was on the brink of ruin, she managed to pull a rabbit out of a hat. The outlook was not bright for her in the middle of July 1979. The total equity in her account was a negative $31,245. She owed $65,000 in margin requirement. On July 17, she doubled up, selling fifty more contracts just 0.12 cent off the day's high of 68.72, and covering it that same day for a profit of $10,400. At the time, her required margin was $115,000 and her total cash due to the broker was $135,000. Most speculators know that doubling up when one's position is seriously under water is a one-way ticket to ruin. Only if she had held a confirmed, round-trip ticket would someone in Mrs. Clinton's position have been willing to risk the farm in such a high-stakes game. Providentially, three days later, on her last day of trading, the whole situation was resolved. Cattle closed down the limit again, and Mrs. Clinton covered her short position down just 0.05 cent above the limit. She ended her career as a speculator with a final flourish to rival her first trade. After extensive research, we have satisfied ourselves that Mrs. Clinton was neither naïve nor lucky nor particularly talented as a trader. Even individuals who have never visited a futures exchange or traded one futures contract will, upon examination of the evidence, be convinced that Mrs. Clinton's representation of the events 15 years later is highly implausible.

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