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OP-ED
The New York Times
April 10, 1999
By Anthony Lewis
Ends & Means

NATO now has three irreducible war aims: the removal of all Serbian military, paramilitary and police forces from Kosovo; the return of all the ethnic Albanian refugees, and their care and protection by an international force.

In Britain, as in the United States, Serbian atrocities have brought public opinion solidly behind those objectives. But the leaders of NATO are not so clear in stating them.

President Clinton and NATO spokesmen, for example, keep saying that Slobodan Milosevic must accept the plan he rejected at Rambouillet, France. But that proposal called for him to keep 5,000 Serbian troops in Kosovo and control its borders -- an unthinkable outcome after the Serbian terror campaign. Could ethnic Albanian families be expected to live in confidence if at the end of the block there was a Serbian unit that had killed their husbands and fathers?

Even less clear is whether we are committed to the means necessary to achieve those objectives. That is the crucial question. And a painful one, given the shameful miscalculation by the Clinton Administration when it gave the go-ahead for the air campaign against Mr. Milosevic. The President and his advisers evidently believed that after a whiff of gunsmoke -- a few bombs -- Mr. Milosevic would say yes to Rambouillet. They were totally unprepared for his murderous attack on Kosovo civilians. They had no plan to house and feed refugees. NATO air attacks over the first 10 days were pinpricks. Worst of all, no tactical aircraft were used against the Serbian forces in Kosovo to slow the killing and ethnic cleansing. MORE...

Filed at 12:49 p.m. EDT
By The Associated Press
NATO Appears Stronger Than Ever

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- The will of the sometimes fractious NATO allies to stay the course in their 2 1/2-week bombing campaign against Yugoslavia is stronger than ever despite the lack of measurable political success.

Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic remains defiant, belying some predictions he would wilt at the first sign NATO was prepared to carry out the military threats it had brandished for more than six months.

Despite that resistance, no fissures in the allied ranks have appeared. Milosevic's campaign to purge Kosovo of ethnic Albanians and the televised flood of refugees from the province has only hardened the allies' determination to prevail against Belgrade. MORE...

We were too late to stop the disaster, but we are not too late to save the peace

By Andrew Marr

Sunday April 11, 1999
THE GUARDIAN (UK)

Are we half-way through this war? Just beginning it? Or a few days away from hearing that Milosevic has been found face down at his desk, a revolver lying on the floor? No one knows, least of all the Nato commanders. But one thing is obvious. What was conceived a quick, clean and vigorous act of global policing has degenerated, with terrible speed, into a full-blown European disaster.

Recriminations are worse than useless now. We have the rest of our lives to debate whether it was right to bomb without ground troops. History must wait for historians. Today, we are up to our collective necks in other people's misery and danger; and the only question that matters is the simplest, hardest question of all. What now? We have a lethal imbalance of firepower on our side. But Milosevic has a lethal imbalance of purpose on his. He knows what he wants - Kosovo stripped of Albanians. We, the allies, the liberal empire, want lots of decent things. But we don't want anything as simple as that and we don't want it at all costs. In a fight between brutal clarity and decent haziness, the brutes will win.

Remember how far our war aims have already shifted. Once, a couple of weeks ago, we were going to war to stop a humanitarian disaster. Too late. The disaster has happened - it could hardly have been worse - and came swooping on the Albanians with a savagery that caught London and Washington slack-jawed and speechless. Next, it was said that we wanted to keep Kosovo as part of ugoslavia, stopping any overspill of the conflict.Again - obviously - too late.

Now the grand plan is that Milosevic must be persuaded, by these continued air strikes, to pull all his troops out of all of Kosovo and for every wretched family to return, protected by Nato troops,to their looted, burnt-out or stolen homes. We will just keep bombing, says Tony Blair, until it happens. On and on and on. In the end, dazed and out of petrol, the Serbs will give in. They won't try to partition Kosovo, keeping their allegedly holy places (funny kind of holy). They will simply retreat.

It is possible. I have to admit that the air war is going better than I expected - though by 'better', I only mean that we have been firing our stuff at their stuff, and have not yet destroyed a packed school classroom or a hospital full of pregnant women. But a Serb capitulation still seems unlikely - a crossed-fingers matter at best. The Serb army is still sitting quietly waiting in a hundred leafy copses, sports halls and ravines. And the Albanians are mostly on the wrong side of the border. And that is how they want it.

Suppose, though, that the best-possible happens and the Yugoslav army, plus all the nutty Black Eagles, White Wolves and Patriotic Rapists, pulls back across the Kosovan border. Is it really any longer plausible that the Albanians would simply go home, reburying their sons, fathers and brothers when they found them, and pick up their lives a few miles from a still-militant Serbia? Is it thinkable that Blair or Schr�der would shake hands with Milosevic, a man constantly compared to a latter-day Nazi? That, after the roadside murders, the burnings, the depopulations, the humiliation, the expense of missiles in a waste of shame, the current Serb government would be left in power, a member of the UN, with embassies, bonds, cultural missions - and minorities of Albanians and Hungarians inside its borders? It is, of course, impossible. It would be a little like bombing the Wehrmacht in 1938 and then proposing that, by agreement with Adolf Hitler, the Jewish population of Bavaria might now like to go home and rebuild their lives.

The truth is that things have already gone too far. Yet again, Nato's war aims have been overtaken by events. Javier Solana, Nato's Secretary-General,was the first to break ranks and say, in a BBC interview, that his 'personal opinion' was that Milosevic should be indicted for war crimes. Then Tony Blair (again speaking to the BBC, who are having a good war) suggested something similar: Milosevic 'needs to know that the process of ethnic cleansing and probably a whole series of atrocities that we don't yet know the full picture of, will be brought home to him in the end'.

In Washington, Clinton agreed: 'It's a legal decision but one which I think should be looked into.' Well, that's it. No one has said so. The Commons wasn't recalled to be told about it. But you can't agree a new south-European order with a man you simultaneously want to pursue as a war criminal. The behaviour of the Serb army and paramilitaries, so reminiscent of the anti-Jewish pogroms and the Hitler genocide, has transformed everything, ignited public opinion and led Nato towards an all-out war on Milosevic's regime which it hasn't planned for and never intended.

Milosevic's gamble was that, in the end, the West wouldn't care enough to intervene properly. Our early decision to rule out ground troops must have powerfully reinforced that view.But what he forgot was that, if the Serbs are haunted by the Second World War, so are the Americans and the Western Europeans. Americans and the Western Europeans. By conjuring up images from the Forties, Milosevic has drawn the whole Serb nation into a potential catastrophe.

More ground troops are being sent, along with Apache attack helicopters. More, I wager, will follow.Eventually, if there is no capitulation, they will cross the border anyway. It is a horribly dangerous business, for which Western public opinion has not been properly prepared. It will cause an unpredictable convulsion of anger in Russia, already boiling with menace.

But if the alternative is humiliation and failure, tearing the guts out of half a dozen Western governments,then the war against Serbia will go ahead. Before this happens, we need a wider vision for the region - some sense that there is a peace deal to be done which will transform the Balkans as the Second World War, which haunts all sides in this conflict, transformed Western Europe and Germany. War has its own logic: the bigger the expense of blood and effort, the bigger the prize must be.

The defeat of Serbian nationalism, which has been in territorial retreat for a decade, is clearly part of that. From inside or outside, by hook or crook, fair means or foul, the isolated, paranoid Belgrade leadership will now have to be toppled and humiliated. We cannot make the same mistake as we made with Saddam Hussein. If Blair and Clinton mean anything by their new warnings, then this is what they mean. Again, they need to start preparing opinion at home for what is to come.

Beyond that, however, we are probably looking at a patchwork of EU or Nato protectorates which add up to a new Western colonialism. I think we should grasp this nettle and go further. Most of ex-Yugoslavia is a horrible mess. The Croats are perhaps all right, though their government is one of the most bigoted in Europe. Bosnia is politically fragile, still in intensive care.

The very existence of Macedonia is in doubt. Montenegro ditto. Next door, Albania is a disaster of a country, a ripped-off, impoverished, semi-lawless strip of Adriatic misery. It is time to go back to basics. Looking back, the region has rarely been stable without an outside force of some kind, whether the Byzantines, the Ottoman empire or the Hapsburgs, or the brief local empire of Titoism. Too many valleys. Too many languages. Too many feuds. So perhaps we should not shrink from the notion of a colony - though since traditional colonies were created to be exploited, rather than to be subsidised and helped, the term anti-colony would be more accurate.

Whatever we called it, some kind of candidate membership of the EU, based on human rights guarantees, a reformed region-wide policing and judiciary and free trade is the best future I can think of for most of former Yugoslavia, plus Albania as well. These countries are surrounded by EU members already. Bringing them under the union's wing would be costly, but not much more costly than running perpetual refugee camps and an army of occupation.

It is time for the EU's leaders to make a general offer to the provinces and nations of the Balkans to open talks about joining. This - and only this - would be an act of generosity and vision big enough to redeem Europe for what has been a shameful and blundering decade.

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Message: WAKE UP AMERICANS!!. PROTEST AGAINST YOUR NAZI GOVERNMENT. THIS WILL BE A NEW VIETNAM FOR YOU IF YOU SEND GROUND TROOPS IN SERBIA.

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Message: I bet the refugees do not care that it is a sunny beautiful morning there (if it is) like it is here. I bet the refugees have not had breakfast (dinner... supper) whatever mealtime it is there. I bet they did not sleep comfortably last night as I did. I bet there are hundreds even thousands of them in need of medication that they are not receiving...and yet I still cannot resolve sending American young men to die for the life, liberty and security of these unfortunate souls.

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"I have one word to say as a retort: Rwanda"

I have one word to say in retort to Rwanda: pick your battles First rule of law in war.

Choosing your battle is both both strategic and instinctual.

Maybe from the standpoint of a warrior - but you were claiming that Clinton and NATO were humanitarians - being a humanitarian has nothing to do with choosing "battles"

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Clinton and NATO's "humanitarian" effort continues - civilians seem to be the target

BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (AP) -- NATO warplanes bombed Serbia's industrial heartland, hitting an oil refinergy and fuel depots, in the campaign to force Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to accept a peace agreement in Kosovo. State media claimed NATO struck a passenger train today, setting cars on fire.

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT FLASH XXXXX 04/12/99 01:31:14 UTC XXXXX

LIZ TAYLOR BLASTS NATO!

Elizabeth Taylor has raised her voice in concern at the escalation of NATO air strikes against Kosovo. The FLINTSTONES star is in London to receive a fellowship from the BRITISH ACADEMY OF FILM AND TELEVISION ARTS.

But Taylor was in no mood to talk showbiz.

"I hope it doesn't turn into another Vietnam," the star told the microphones. "This could accelerate into something disastrous where unnecessary lives are lost. I think that would be just awful."

Elizabeth Taylor continued, blasting the NATO operation: "I think everyone should tend to their own wars!"

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Message: THE YELTSIN TIMEBOMB THAT COULD SPARK WORLD WAR III

Daily Record

WARLORD Slobodan Milosevic is banking on a secret weapon to turn the tables on NATO and drag the world into a war without limits.

That secret, if unstable, weapon is Boris Yeltsin.

The Russian leader has already told NATO he would not tolerate a ground invasion of Kosovo and would mobilise the demoralised, but still potentially-formidable, Russian Army to protect his Slavic neighbours.

However, what will he protect them with if things start to go against the Russian military?

"Can he alone push the red button?" asked the Berlin BZ newspaper yesterday.

Well, can he? Would he? Is the world about to end because a vodka-crazed old man wants to find glory in that last refuge of scoundrels - patriotism?

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Nostradamus is never wrong!

From my observations of the Hillary Forum Nostradamus - Nostradamus is NEVER correct.

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Susan McDougal trail declared a mistrial! - Retrial is likely. Susan McDougal found not guilty of obstruction of justice but the charges of criminal contempt (the focus of the trial) where declared a mistrial due to possible witness tampering by the defense (with possible links directly to Clinton). Susan McDougal still stands accused of criminal contempt! Susan McDougal remains in the hot seat!

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That should say: "were declared a mistrial possibly due to witness tampering by the defense"

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Welcome to Arkansas, land of Arkancide and Coincidences beyond Imagination

When sheriffs have the testicles of rape suspects on their desks before trial, when judges and state prosecutors are drug suspects. When pension funds are used to pay off friends of Bill, what is another little coincidence.

When all the records of certain real estate transactions are lost or damaged in separate locations in various floods, fires, tornadoes and shredders, what's another friendly juror.

That a juror should just happen to have bought a house from a judge, who just happens to be a friend of Bill and Hill's, who just happens to support jury nullification, who just happens to leave behind a lawbook, which just happens to have the page marked to that particular subject, who are we to question the justice served.

Arkansas, things just work out a little different here, that's all.

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Message: Geragos on CNN now with that disgusting B*tch McDougal. She said she didn't know what to do with herself now. Geragos said he would put her to work. I guess that means BJs all around.

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5 Jurors were CERTAIN of Susan McDougal's guilt on both charges of criminal contempt.

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Jury Finds Me Not Guilty On Obstruction Charge

It was a fair trial and I finally got to expose to the world the evil doings of Ken Starr !

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Message: McDougal innocent on obstruction
Judge declares mistrial on contempt counts after jury deadlocks WITH THE JURY deadlocked on the two criminal contempt charges, U.S. District Judge George Howard Jr. declared the mistrial on those counts and allowed jurors to deliver the one verdict they could agree on.

�I had a fair trial and my day in court, and I thank you for that,� McDougal told the judge after the jury left the courtroom.

Prosecutor Mark Barrett said a retrial was �obviously an option.� Barrett said he hoped prosecutors would make a decision within a couple of weeks.

STILL A LITTLE NUMB
McDougal hugged her fianc�e, Pat Harris, and her attorney, Mark Geragos. She was charged with obstruction and criminal contempt for refusing to testify to grand juries in the Whitewater probe in 1996 and in 1998.

She said her refusal was based on her fear that she would be charged with perjury unless she falsely implicated the Clintons in wrongdoing. �I�m still a little numb,� McDougal said outside the courthouse. �I�ve been indicted since 1993 and this is the first day I haven�t been indicted in years.�

McDougal said the obstruction charge on which she was acquitted �was the big count because� the question for the jury �was whether or not Ken Starr was seeking the truth.�

�I�ve always said from the very first day I met with them that I did not believe they wanted to hear the truth.� Geragos said, �I would like nothing better to come down here and retry Ken Starr again. They don�t have the guts to retry this case again because now we know where the bodies are buried.� MORE...

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Message: Face it, folks - The case was The People Vs. Susan McD. The People lost. She refused to answer a simple yes/no question. Kids, don't try this at home (unless you've serviced Wee Willy Jeff).

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Message: After the uncounted instances of Arkancide, the unusual deaths of people under the care of Virginia Kelley, the friendly medical examiner who clears her, the unprecedented number of women who lie about our boy bill, who is surprised by this verdict.,

When sheriffs have the testicles of rape suspects on their desks before trial, when judges and state prosecutors are drug suspects. When pension funds are used to pay off friends of Bill, what is another little coincidence.

When all the records of certain real estate transactions are lost or damaged in separate locations in various floods, fires, tornadoes and shredders, what's another friendly juror.

That a juror should just happen to have bought a house from a judge, who just happens to be a friend of Bill and Hill's, who just happens to support jury nullification, who just happens to leave behind a lawbook, which just happens to have the page marked to that particular subject, who are we to question the justice served.

Arkansas, things just work out a little different here, that's all.

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KOSOVO? It's just another WAG THE DOG's butt you bunch of morons.

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The Feces is hitting the fan (finally) for Bill "weasel boy" Clinton. The Long Arm of the Law is fixin' to open up a can whoop-ass on Clinton. THIS IS BIG - REALLY BIG!!! (Expect heavy bombing in Iraq/Serbia tonight).

Judge Finds Clinton in Contempt

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- A federal judge on Monday found President Clinton in contempt of court in a ruling stemming from his testimony in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case.

U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright ruled the president in contempt for ``willful failure'' to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully.

``The court takes no pleasure whatsoever in holding this nation's president in contempt of court,'' the judge said in her order.

AP-NY-04-12-99 1806EDT

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Australian TV
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Australian TV is reporting the bombing by NATO of a civilian train in Serbia. Apparently 11 people killed many injured. NATO response that they just bombed the bridge, train was not target. "Collateral damage" [Humanitarian help coming through - pardon the dead civilians]

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(including photos of all the fun Clinton and NATO are having - funny, none of these people seemed to armed?)

Passenger Train, military target ? WARNING Graphic Pictures

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Passenger Train, military target ? Today, around 1 pm, in a NATO attack on the wider area of Leskovac, the international passenger train no. 393 (travelling from Belgrade to Tessaloniki, Greece) was bombed. While on a bridge, over Grdelica canyon, second second car took a direct hit and was thrown off the tracks into the canyon, while other cars were badly damaged. Tanjug agency reports at least 8 people were killed and more than 13 were hospitalised in Leskovac's Medical Centre. Belgrade-Tessaloniki train carried both international domestic passengers.

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I'm gonna sick the IRS on for this.

U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright: "The court takes no pleasure whatsoever in holding this nation's president in contempt of court... The record demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that the president responded to plaintiffs' questions by giving false, misleading and evasive answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process."

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Message: my name is justin i am a 6th grader can you come to my shool i beg you can you call me at 1415-337-1617 you please call

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Message: I am US citizen and paying tens thousands in taxes, but I cannot invite my daughter to visit me, because she is not established in Israel. Assumption - I make her illegal immigrant. I even offer money for escrow as proof that she will return - no result. Hillary, you want to be a senator, may be a president. If you want it only for your pleasure, do not start, please. It is responcibility, too. If you want to make people's life little easier, proof it. You will need votes from Russian speaking community in NY.

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WOMEN STRIKE FOR PEACE 110 MARYLAND AVE., SUITE 102, WASHINGTON, DC 20002
TELEPHONE: 202-543-2660 OR 301 593-6948 Edith Villastrigo
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���������� Women Strike for Peace condemns the U.S.-led NATO bombings and threats of ground troop invasion of Yugoslavia as a flagrant violation of national sovereignty, the first principle of international law and of the U.N. Charter. For the first time in its 50-year history, NATO, with U.S. forces leading the way, and without a U.N. mandate, has attacked a sovereign nation that represents no threat to its neighbors or to American interests.�

� ��The relentless assault featuring overwhelming technology and air power was unleashed because of the refusal of the Republic of Serbia to agree to the U.S.-dictated Rambouillet pact virtually removing from its jurisdiction the province of Kosovo, seat of Serbia's cultural, religious and national roots, and of its economic and industrial strength. Rather than an "agreement," it was an ultimatum, demanding Yugoslavia's acceptance of 28,000 US/NATO troops or the alternative of NATO bombs. MORE...

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Message: THE NEW YORK TIMES �� April 13, 1999
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�� So Is It Yes or No? �� By RICHARD N. HAASS
�� WASHINGTON -- Increasingly it seems that the Clinton Administration's foreign policy is intended to minimize risks rather than maximize results. The result is bad politics and bad policy.�� ��

Take the debate about ground troops in Kosovo. After weeks of ruling out their use, the Clinton Administration is now sending mixed messages. On Sunday, Administration officials, including Gen. Henry Shelton, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, suggested that plans for ground troops exist and could be taken off the shelf at any time. Yesterday, Defense Secretary William Cohen said that the air attacks are increasingly effective, while reiterating General Shelton's comments about ground troops.��

�� What's going on here? It seems as if foreign policy is being driven by public opinion. News photos of suffering Albanian refugees have had an enormous impact on the American people; opinion polls indicate that about half of them now favor sending ground forces into Kosovo. But the Administration also seems to have no confidence that popular support would survive the first casualties.�� ��

This is no way to make foreign policy -- or win a war. It is one thing to rule out ground troops because they are not needed. It is something else again to reject them out of fear that the American people will not back their use.��MORE...

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Message: �� It is very apparent by now that this American president knows nothing of foreign relations, and the rest of NATO blind are following the blind. To see what the ultimate end is going to be, refer back to the ends of both world wars. World War I left Germany's economy in a shambles plus extreme sanctions. After World War II, to prevent the same result, we rebuilt Germany via the Marshall Plan. When all this is over and Yugoslavia is in total shambles both economically and physically, we will find it necessary to spend billions to rebuild that country. Wouldn't it make more sense to negotiate with Albania to accept the ethnic Albanians into that country permanently, for a price? In the long run it may be cheaper and assure the end to enmity in Kosovo.��

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Message: thr 059 iran-china-zhuyuli  iran-lorestan ship delivered to iran bandar abbas, hormuzgan prov., april 13, irna -- the 'iran-lorestan' commercial ship was delivered to iran at bandar abbas port on tuesday in a ceremony attended by chinese aviation industries minister zhuyuli and managing director of the islamic republic of iran shipping lines (irisl) ahmad mohammadi. mohammadi said at the ceremony that the ship is the first of five ships built by china on order from iran. he said the ship, with the capacity of 22,000 tons of cargoes, would raise iranian shipping fleet's cargo transportation capacity to 2,400,000 to 2,500,000 tons this year. he added that the ships 'iran-kordestan' and 'iran-khuzestan' are to be delivered to iran in the next three to six months respectively. the multi-purpose iran-lorestan cargo carrier, which is 174 meters long, 26 meters wide can travel at a speed of 16.9 nautical miles per houd. it has cost iran dlrs 25.5 million. bg/rr end ::irna 13/04/99 17:56

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Message: thr 061 iran-italy-eni  italian eni to contribute to joint venture projects in iran rome, april 13, irna -- the managing director of italian energy giant eni, vittorio mincato said italians attach great importance to iran. tuesday's issue of italian daily 'il sole 24 ore' quoted mincato as saying that unfortunately, it has not been possible to work together over recent years. ''if possible, we will certainly launch other projects,'' he said. italy prefers to implement joint venture projects in iran, said mincato, adding that italy is working on buy-back based projects in iran. bg/rr end ::irna 13/04/99 18:03

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Message: thr 053 yugoslavia-ipi-condemnation  ipi condems killing of prominent publisher in fry vienna, april 13, irna -- the international press institute (ipi) on tuesday strongly condemned the killing of a prominent publisher, slavko curuvija, in belgrade. "we are informed that unidentified gunmen shot and killed mr. curuvija, the owner of an independent daily newspaper, dnevni telegraf, and the news magazine evropljanin, outside his apartment on sunday," said the international body which is based in vienna. prpa told the police that two gunmen fired several bullets into curuvija's back. they then pistol-whipped her, before firing more bullets into curuvija's head, said the letter last year, following the introduction in october of serbia's draconian law on public information, dnevni telegraf and the evropljanin were heavily fined and then banned, although mr. curuvija managed to keep publishing by registering his operations in montenegro. last month, mr. curuvija and two of his reporters were convicted of criminal defamation and sentenced by a belgrade court to five months in prison for publishing an article which suggested that deputy prime minster milovan bojic was linked to the killing of a medical doctor. curuvija was awaiting the results of his appeal. "ipi, the global network of editors and media executives, condemns this heinous crime and urges you to ensure that those responsible for the crime are brought to justice," the letter added. "we further urge you to take all possible steps to ensure the safety of independent journalists working in the federal republic of yugoslavia," said ipi mhj/rr end ::irna 13/04/99 17:08

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Message: thr 047 albania-mufti  albania's mufti calls on muslim world to support kossovo tirana, april 13, irna --- albania's mufti hafiz sabri koci today appealed to the muslim world to offer full support to the suffering muslims of kosovo. "the west is helping the muslims in kosovo...we call on the muslim world to be with us and not against us," koci said with an exclusive interview with irna. "the muslim world must give us material and moral support, because the serbian regime is carrying out unprecedented carnage and oppression against us in kosovo," he stressed. the 80-year old islamic cleric, who spent 21 years in the jail of communist dictator enver hoxha, said the serbs are killing children, women and old men. "we have never heard of such brutality in human history," said albania's mufti to irna. "the kosovars must now have an independent state. it is impossible that they can live with the murderers," he stressed. koci, who has visited iran thrice, said the albanian people were very happy with the establishment of the islamic republic in iran. "for us it was a spiritual opening and god willing islam will triumph in the world," he said. "i spent 21 years in the communist jail because i was a believer and i spoke about religion because religion was banned at that time in albania" he said speaking in fluent arabic. he said he learned arabic in the city of shkodra in an islamic school (madrase). commenting on the situation of islam in albania today, hafiz koci said the youth in albania was turning more and more to islam. he said many albanian students were studying islam in countries like egypt, saudi arabia, pakistan, kuwait and libya. the albanian mufti said soon after the downfall of communist rule in 1989 the muslims established ten islamic schools to educate preachers and mosque imams. before the communist rule there were 1.700 mosques in albania. most of them were destroyed and fifty converted to museums, koci said. "today with the help of contributions from muslim countries there are 300 mosques in albania," he said. he added that 75 percent of the 3.5 million population of albania is muslim. nk/rr end ::irna 13/04/99 16:49

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Message: thr 047 leader-kosovo-moharram  leader laments plight of muslims in kosovo tehran, april 12, irna -- the leader of the islamic revolution ayatollah seyed ali khamenei monday lamented the plight of muslims in different parts of the world, particularly in kosovo. "what is overlooked in the balkan war today," said the leader, "is the condition of the oppressed muslims in kosovo, and the aim of the enemies behind displacing the people of kosovo in the streets, is to exterminate the muslims and prevent the formation of an islamic state in that region." ayatollah khamenei, according to tehran radio, made the remarks at a meeting with clerics, including preachers and congregational prayer leaders on the eve of the mourning month of moharram (the month in which the third shia imam hussein and 72 of his close aides were martyred). "your duty is to keep the path and movement of imam hussein (a.s.) alive Increasingly it seems that the Clinton Administration's foreign policy is intended to minimize risks rather than maximize results. The result is bad politics and bad policy ," the leader told the audience. "�� �� ������ �줓 ���� - ����� :��������  ������ ����� ��� - ����� �줓 ������� ��� ����� ��� ��/��/�� ��� ������ ����𤓡 - ��� ����� �� ���� �� ��� ��� ���� ����� ����� ����� ���� ������ ��� � �� ���� ��� ���� ������ ������:��� ��� " he added that sound religious propagation is the best way for encountering cultural onslaughts. ks/ks more ::irna 12/04/99 14:55

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Message: Bill Clinton LIED?

I AM SHOCKED!!!!!!

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT FLASH XXXXX 04/12/99 23:42:58 UTC XXXXX

NATO THINKS IT HAS A SPY WARNING SERBS

ABC NEWS reported Monday night that the U.S. and NATO suspect there may be a spy deep within the NATO operation who is tipping off the Serbs about where bombs will fall!

Three examples, officials tell ABC NEWS, are of growing concern.

ABC's John McWethy reported from the Pentagon:

"The night before NATO hit Serbia's interior ministry in downtown Belgrade, it was buzzing with activity. The night it was bombed, it was empty. Just minutes before a bridge was struck, Serb police suddenly sealed it off as though they knew it was about to be hit.

"But most disturbing was an attack on a Serb military barracks more than a week ago. It was empty when the bomb struck. Upon further investigation, officials discovered there had been an urgent radio message minutes before ordering everyone out of the building.

"So were all these just coincidence? Officials say they now doubt it and are tightening access to this kind of sensitive information while they try to identify a suspect."

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Message: NATO spy story denied: A senior U.S. official insisted that an ABC News story on a possible spy within NATO is not true. �It�s like made up,� he told NBC News. The official said the Serbs do get tactical intelligence from a debilitated but still working radar system. Given that, and their knowledge that military targets are most likely to be hit, the Serbs have at times accurately predicted what was being targeted, the official said. He also pointed out that many targets have been reported in Western media, which the Serbs have access to.

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Message: WWJ, if you don't figure out how to win this war guess who is going to be gang raped?

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Message: I bet you guys thought that Judge Wright throwing out the Paula Jones case was vindication for the Billster! Well now you know that she was truly working on our side. She threw the case out so that the impeachment process could procede without any distractions. Then we had her wait till we could get him to attack Yugoslavia so she can stab him in the back with the contempt ruling. You can't beat us Hillary. We willl never stop until we have you and Bill on your knees!

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Message: Hey SF babes and drama queens

As you can see on the news, support for ground troops is up and one poll even had it up to 73%. This is obviously due to my rhetorical assaults on the Serbs. Hell, I didn't even need James Carville. Considering support for any action was only 45% a few weeks ago, you must admit my spin machine is making hay of 'em.

My question is, do you think I should wait until support goes to 80% to send in ground troops. That way when anything goes wrong, I can blame the American people. After all, I will just be doing the will of the people in their overwhelming outcry against the atrocities of the Serbs.

Bring on the Serb babes, I need some "spoils of war" if you get my drift!!!!!

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Message: Americans: the most not well informed people in the the world. The power of the media is indeed incredible!!! The results of one way information makes a whole nation (?) a group of fools. Yes my friends. Send ground troops against the ...evil historical Serbian nation (80% off you supports it!!!!). I believe that this will turn to a new Vietnam for you. When you see your own boys in coffins, maybe then you will realise the real interest of the governments in ...humaniterian principles. I really feel sorry for you.

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Message: Hi! My name is Boban, I�m a Serb and I am proud of it. I belive in God, and what he stands for. I think that president Bill Clinton do the same. Well do he really belive in God becouse what he is doing in Jugoslavia is going against Gods will. He bombs a hole nation. Is he looking at the pictures of the 11 month old baby that died becouse of hes bombs. Has he looked at the pictures of the 10 years old boy that is at Hospital all crying becouse of his pain. Has Clinton a heart. I would like to knew that. I think that you may understand that I hate Clinton more than anyone, and that I may be to angry now to write a good letter that will show what is happening in Serbia. The only thing I can see before my eyes now is the 11 month old dead baby, and the 10 year old little boy with tears on his cheak. what has he done, what has the baby done to deserve a treatment like this. Could you please answer me that. You have my E.mail Adress, so please answer me that, and dont give me any crap about that he is doing it becouse of humanitarian couses. PLEAZZEE spare me.

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Message: Peace Train?

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Macedonian border guards stole $33,000 from him as he crossed into Albania to distribute aid to refugees from Kosovo. The London-based singer, now named Yusuf Islam, told the BBC on Saturday that the guards took the money after initially refusing to allow his party to enter Albania.

"We're absolutely furious," he said. "Obviously everybody knows why we're here, to help those people who have tragically gone through this and who are going through this problem of ethnic cleansing.

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Message: Macedonian border guards stole $33,000 from him as he crossed into Albania to distribute aid to refugees from Kosovo. The London-based singer, now named Yusuf Islam, told the BBC on Saturday that the guards took the money after initially refusing to allow his party to enter Albania.

"We're absolutely furious," he said. "Obviously everybody knows why we're here, to help those people who have tragically gone through this and who are going through this problem of ethnic cleansing.

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Message: What a revelation !

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Peace Train???

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Piece Train

Ahhhhhhahahahahahahahaaaaaaagh!

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So I raped a babe or two
So I groped a few others against their will
So what if I sexually harass a few bimbos
So what if I have a few felonies under my belt
Who cares about a lil' ol' contempt charge

I am Bill Clinton
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and I'll damn well wipe my ass
with the Constitution
when I want
and so what!!

My Dem buddies will support me no matter what I do! If a few thousand people need die to bolster my ratings -- so what

If my spin machine has to ruin the lives and reputations of anyone who dares cross me -- so what!

Everyone knew what I was from the start and America elected me anyway! Thank you for choosing power over principle!

Just remember I care about ALL of you and love you. Think warm fuzzy thoughts

Love
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Message: Serbs have already shown their true colors by using civilians as human shields to protect their military people before. I believe that the train was sent deliberately under the bombs aimed at the bridge, and I will bet that most of the victims were Albanians!

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To Sally From Miami:

I believe that the train was sent deliberately under the bombs aimed at the bridge, and I will bet that most of the victims were Albanians!

And I'll bet you're wrong.

Tell us, Sally, when 'ethnic cleansing' first appeared in the media, what was it in reference to, and who should NATO have bombed?

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Message: You get nothing, W-W-J,.. nada...until you figure out how to win this war! No more bimbos ... no more dates ... no more votes ... no more fuzzy thoughts ... no more Hillary ... We believe in power over principle, and when your power runs out so do our principles. Stop thinking about your little-willey because the good times are over if you lose. I ain't kidding!

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Message: Welcome back, Conservative Libertarian, most honored guest. It's good to have you here again. The climate is very different now in contrast to the impeachment farce. I miss Monica...

Who knows what's going to happen and where we are going with this war. It's so terribly sad. Was there something else we could have done rather than kill a lot of innocent people? Is war inevitable? Why can't the Balkans be like America? We figured out how to live together and fight with each other without wars or ethnic cleansing.

If you were the president what would you have done? I highly recommend you connect into the "Kosovo Daily News" link I have placed near the top of the war forums. You get a quick glance at news from around the world. It was started by Father Sava, a Serbian Monk.

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Message: The author is professor of war studies at King's College, London
The road to a diplomatic settlement with Serbia
Nato has been left over-dependent on coercion to bring this war to an early conclusion. Is there a way of bringing this war to a quick conclusion? Any early solution depends on diplomacy, yet no serious negotiating process has begun and there is no obvious interlocutor. Belgrade is suspicious of the UN Secretary-General, Kofi Annan, because he has associated himself with the core Nato demands, while Nato is wary of the Russian Prime Minister Yevgeni Primakov because of his readiness to play to anti-Western sentiment at home.

The failure to prepare for a land option has left Nato over-dependent upon coercion to bring this war to an early conclusion. This can work only by persuading Belgrade that the costs of further resistance are much higher than the costs of compliance with Nato's core demands.

There is absolutely no way of predicting when this conclusion will be reached or if it will ever be reached at all. It is, however, most likely to come when Milosevic is convinced that Nato forces will eventually enter Kosovo without his consent. LOTS MORE...

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Message: ] SERBIAN RENEWAL MOVEMENT PRESS CONFERENCE, 4-13-99

President of the Serbian Renewal Movement Vuk Draskovic spoke at today's regular press conference. Among other things, he said:

"We have entered into the fourth week since the NATO aggression against our country began. Why have they attacked us? They have attacked us because we did not want to accept the text of the political agreement from Rambouillet which in certain parts gave Kosovo the authority of an independent state or the third republic. They have also attacked us because we did not want to accept NATO troops which would implement such monstrous political agreement.

What is the situation after three weeks of barbaric bombardment of Serbia? The same ones who had asked of us all that in Rambouillet, are now not insisting on the original Rambouillet agreement text, nor are they insisting on the NATO troops which would implement that agreement. That means something has changed. From our point of view, the aggressor has mainly given up those key disputable points to which we could not agree in any way.

I think that other points should be approached with compromise. Our objective must be to defend Kosovo, to keep Kosovo within Serbia, within Yugoslavia, that it has a very high level of local self-rule, autonomy, specific self-rule, specific autonomy, the highest democratic rights for everyone, on the basis of full equality of all citizens and all national communities. That is not disputable. What is also not disputable is that we want the refugees to return. At this moment, it is not disputable neither from the aggressor's point of view, nor from the point of view of big powers, which are not taking part in the aggression, that Kosovo is in Serbia and there is no room in Serbia for the greater Albania. All points where our attitudes and the attitudes of the big and powerful world are not identical, apart from the points which I have mentioned, I consider, should be absolutely approached with a compromise, because it is in the interest of this country that this aggression be stopped as soon as possible.

I think that no one in this country has the right to stick his head into sand. I think that we have to step forward with brave political peace initiatives, in order to reach the agreement about other matters as soon as possible. If whole Europe is discussing it, if foreign ministers of Russia and US discuss it today in Oslo, if it is discussed tomorrow in the European Union, I think that here, too, peace must be discussed.

I am afraid that some people in this country have forgotten what the objectives of Serbia are in this war which has been imposed on us. I have just mentioned them a short while ago. Someone is switching the theses now, formulating our new objectives - that we must endure the bombs, that we must be the victim of an unprecedented aggression and crimes until we have liberated Europe, until we have destroyed NATO, until we create new United Nations and destroy the new world order. Excuse me, but those must not be war objectives of the Serbian people. Maybe all this should be done. I would not mind if all that should fall, be re-formulated, organized in a new way, but that should be done by the Russians, Chinese, Indians, by someone else, someone bigger and more powerful than we are. Serbia's war objective is to defend what is ours, to defend our state and behave in accordance with that. Stories that we must be bombed until we have won are nonsense. Win over whom? Are we the more powerful side? We are not. We are the innocent side, we are the just side, and much of our sacrifice in the name of innocence and in the name of justice has been acknowledged. Under these circumstances, when the country has been attacked, I can hardly even say my party's name, but sometimes even the party's name must be said. I think that it is time to warn that there are political forces, maybe in this country, who are counting that we should get into the 21st century in a completely ruined homeland and then start with the building actions with wheel-barrows, spades and shovels, just like in 1945, with the five-pointed red star, with the same songs, with the same iconography, and build communism anew. Serbia must not enter into the 21st century with such projects. In the name of the homeland, and the citizens of Serbia are its support, they are suffering the bombs, they are the victims, those citizens have the right to courage, to proposals, to the initiatives to defend the country, to defend this because of which we have been attacked, but no one must have any ambitions beyond that line, which are, it seems, pretty dangerous."

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We had such a good laugh. Somebody has a great sense of humor. Much appreciated.

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Message: A village is one thing, a federal government is another. And it takes a family to raise a child. Sincerely, Curtis Mickunas

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Message: HI! I wrote to you yeasterday and I suppose that I was a little bit angry, but I have a quastion to ask you, I meen Hillary. Ho can you support you husband as a women and a mother when he let NATO to bomb a hole country, to bomb people and to let amariacan pilots to fly into there death. Surerly you allready now that there has been casualutys on your side. How can you let amarican young people bomb other people in a country that most of you Americans dont now where it is. Pleaze send me an answer, and I want a answer from Hillary not from the editor. Bye!

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Message: Ok, I'm back from Camel shopping and I must say I picked out a doozy, I call him "The big O." I met with a few token, er ... I mean authentic Albanian refugees the other day and told them I felt their pain. I also criticized Congress for not following lock-step with our "humanitarian efforts" in that part of the Village known as Yugoslavia. See I really care and am trying real hard to be humanitarian, so no more whining from villagers, thank you. Speaking of whining, can you believe the insolence from the Serbian villagers who don't appreciate the rules, er, excuse me, ... "treaty" we wrote up for their part of the village? I mean, some people just don't realize how good and kind hearted Bill, myself and the other Village leaders really are. Of course, this will all change when we "educate" people, it just takes a little time. By for now, ta, ta.

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Message: So Kenn Starr is in Congress today telling them that the Independent Counsel law is flawed! Interesting...

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Message: Yes,

One flaw with the system is that it leads to overly politicized investigations. Funny, I remember that my good friend Ed Meese told his lawyer not to criticize the OIC in order to avoid politicizing the process and to preserve the people's faith in the system. Of course, the worst thing Ed Meese ever did was to take detours back from official trips to go to Stamp Collecting conventions. My, oh, my how the Dems howled with indignation at such abuses of power.

Besides, I'm tired of loser activist groups aping the Clinton line that I abuse power when I am doing the exact same thing acceptabed as common practice as ever other prosecutor including Clinton's Dept. of Justice. Forget that every court in the nation agrees with me and I've trounced every bogus legal challenge thrown at me. The challenges were never meant as a serious legal challenge, they simply provided a battle cry for the hopelessly lame Democrat sycophants like Geraldo and Dershowitz and the millions of people who'd rather have others do their thinking for them.

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Is it me, or is every Serb named "Bob" or "Boban" and are they all angry and have lackluster spelling?

Name: Jack

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Message: How can you justify running for the Senate, in the state of New York? You have never establish residence in New York. Why don't you go back to Arkansas, to run for the Senate?

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

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Q) What is the difference between Bill Clinton's sex life and his foreign policy?
A) At least in his sex life he knows when to pull out.

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Message: Don't criticize my english you crazy american who hasn't got the guts to give a name. It's a hell ofa lot better than your Serbian �� ��� ���� ������ �����:��� ��� You can only speak one language and I can speak five!

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Message: Actually, I speak three languages: English, German, and French (y yo hablo pocito espanol) and I can program in four computer languages. However, I was actually poking more fun at your name. It seems every Tom, Dick, and Harry in Serbia is named Bob or Boban and expresses much anger (look back a few forums). Not that I actually blame you for being just the slightest bit uptight about Clinton's little war. I actually sympathize with your situation.

Good luck and keep close to that family bomb shelter.

P.S. : My inability to speak Serbian has never affected my prospects in life. I wonder if the SF editors here would be willing to set up a Serbian Language forum?

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It's good to have you here again. The climate is very different now in contrast to the impeachment farce.

Sorry Editor - the impeachment was not a farce - Bill "weasel boy" Clinton was indeed successfully impeached. Bill Clinton is now the first elected president to be impeached (BTW - Clinton was impeached on TWO counts). The only farce that currently exists is the belief that Clinton is capable of telling the truth (Monica or Kosovo - you name it). BTW - Clinton was sited this week for civil contempt which means barring a miracle Clinton will be disbarred - Bill "weasel boy" Clinton's legacy grows: The first elected president to be impeached and the first president to be disbarred. You liberals must be beaming with pride.

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So Kenn Starr is in Congress today telling them that the Independent Counsel law is flawed! Interesting...

You know what is even more interesting - the Republicans wanted to do away with the Independent Counsel because they believe the Democrats based the law on flawed logic - if not for the intense pressure for Bill "weasel boy" Clinton, the law would not exist now. Clinton loved the law when it was used to beat Republican's over the head (Walsh's 7 year, 70 million dollar witch hunt the yielded 0 conviction and 0 impeachments and politically motivated baseless indictment two weeks before the election in 1992 [which was thrown out as baseless in count - AFTER the election]) but the Democrat yelled like a stuck pig the FIRST time the law was used against them (what goes around, comes around)(turnabout is fair play). Face it - the hypocrisy of the Democrat is now legion. Just remember one thing - Ken Starr was just following the law that the Democrats wrote and Clinton championed. (I goes the Democrat forgot to add a caveat to the law - "can only be used against Republicans")

-LVD

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Is it me, or is every Serb named "Bob" or "Boban" and are they all angry and have lackluster spelling?

This message must have come from a liberal democrat (mercifully spared the ravages of intelligence). Jeepers, if you did not speak English (or it was your second or third language) you may also have lackluster spelling. As for being angry - it you had Bill Clinton and NATO dropping bombs in your backyard and killing your innocent noncombatant civilians you would have a tendency to be angry also.

-LVD

Name: from gutless cowardly America

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Message: Bite my hairy white ass and don't take every statement as a serious threat or comment. Two Serbs, two angry Bobs. Coincidence? No! "It seems every Tom, Dick, and Harry in Serbia is named Bob or Boban" There's a joke in there if you can see through your constant anger for a split second.

Name: LVD in defense of Serb posters

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Actually, I speak three languages: English, German, and French (y yo hablo pocito espanol) and I can program in four computer languages.

Since you posted examples of your written language skill - I think we at the Hillary forum should demand that you present code examples of the your four computer languages (funny you did not name ANY of the languages - how much do ya wanna bet that this clown will site HTML as computer language). Bring forth the code examples and let us decide if you really can program in four languages.

I actually sympathize with your situation.

Good luck and keep close to that family bomb shelter.

Am I the only one that sees a cynical paradox in these statements? "I sympathize with your situation" followed by "Duck and cover - here comes some bombs with my country's flag painted on them (buck-up, we ALL have to do our part to rebuilt the Clinton legacy)"

-LVD

Name: gutless American

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Message: and I said earlier I don't blame Bob or Boban or both for their attitudes. DUH!

Name: Gutless American

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Message: Computer languages: 1. "C" and "C++"
2. PASCAL
3. ADA (Dead as it is)
4. FORTRAN (FORMAT statements included)
Oh, yes, Assembly (or Assembler for the mainframe weenies) for the 68000, 8086 families as well as for the TI, Motorola, and Analog lines of DSPs. Plus, if I wanted to, I could produce functiona Lisp, COBOL, or any other dead language in three days

Don't try to Out-Tech me. I laugh at you! Ha, Ha!

Now pull that stick from your rectum and relax!

Name: gutless American

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Message: May runtime errors plague your code for all eternity. I bet you still put "GO TO" instructions in your code and think BASIC is a happening language.

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Message: FYI : I am not a liberal, I am one of those extreme centrist you hear so very little about. I am busy being happy, making jokes, and while I don't care for alot of what is going on, I just can't resist the urge to make light of situations.

Quite a vile stinker, ain't I?

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

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Bill "weasel boy" Clinton's legacy grows: The first elected president to be impeached and the first president to be disbarred. You liberals must be beaming with pride.

And, lest we forget, the first president to declare war on and invade a sovereign nation on the idiotic pretence that he didn't like how their internal civil war was going. (And at this rate he may go down in history as only the second president to use nuclear weapons.)

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Message: LISP = Lots of Irritating Single Paranthesis

Yes, I know all the NERD insider lingo.

Name: Gutless (but educated) American

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Message: Bill "weasel boy" Clinton's legacy grows: The first elected president to be impeached and the first president to be disbarred. You liberals must be beaming with pride.

Not to mention the first president known to have Peronies Disease (that bent penis thing).

And, lest we forget, the first president to declare war on and invade a sovereign nation on the idiotic pretence that he didn't like how their internal civil war was going.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Regan DID invade Grenada, a tiny island nation for the same reasons. Actually, Clinton invaded Haiti for the same reasons as well. We invaded Viet-Nam for the same reasons. We've mucked with most of South and Central America for the same reasons. The Nation of Panama came about as the result of one of out little interventions. No, Clinton's a prick, but mucking with sovereign nations is not unique to him.

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Name: Gutless American

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Message: Hmmmm! Surrounded by liberals on the left, conservative in the right, and angry Serbs in front! What can I do but demand your surrender before things get too messy.

Name: LVD to WHA (white hairy ass)

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Bite my hairy white ass�

Wow, this cat speaks three languages, programs in 4 computer languages, AND can wax poetic like Shakespeare (BTW - a doctor may be able to help you with your "hairy white ass" problem - many have been able to live almost normal lives).

There's a joke in there if you can see through your constant anger for a split second.

Lets see - we are currently bombing the Serbs and we are currently killing innocent civilians and you think that it is funny to make fun of the names of Serbs and the fact that they have the nerve to be angry about being bombed for two weeks. You do have a "different" sense of humor.

-LVD

Name: Hairy White Ass (not White Hairy Ass)

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Message: You do have a "different" sense of humor.

Yep, but at least I have one and in the proud tradition of all the Challenger jokes, starving Ethiopean jokes, and every tragedy on Earth.

Q: How many Serbs does it take to change a lightbulb
A: Lightbulbs? They don't need light bulbs! We destroyed all their power plants, remember!

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(This is mine as well - a slight revision)
An American and a Serbian were drinking at a bar. The American, indignant at the Serbian atrocities said "I read in the paper how your soldiers rape powerless young women! You know what we call such a vile coward where I come from?"

The Serbian replies "You call him 'Mr. President"

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Okay, so Letterman won't have me doing standup for him anytime soon

Name: Last Visible Dog to WHA

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Computer languages:
1. "C" and "C++"
2. PASCAL
3. ADA (Dead as it is)
4. FORTRAN (FORMAT statements included)

Oh, yes, Assembly (or Assembler for the mainframe weenies) for the 68000, 8086 families as well as for the TI, Motorola, and Analog lines of DSPs. Plus, if I wanted to, I could produce functiona Lisp, COBOL, or any other dead language in three days

Jeepers, from my counting that would be a lot more than four language - we asked for code examples not a jargon-a-thon. (IMHO - COBOL is far from dead, just ask those that are making a killing over the Y2K thing - not to mention, my company sells services and software products to the financial community and we are making good money off of services currently being written in COBAL. I would call C,PASCAL, ADA, and FORTRAN (even LISP) dead long before COBAL). I have had experience in about four of the languages you site - so, bring forth the source code so we can see your skill level. Let's take the Hillary forum in a new direction. (BTW - I was wrong, you did not call HTML a computer language).

Don't try to Out-Tech me. I laugh at you! Ha, Ha!

I am not trying to out-tech you (right now, maybe later) - I am saying "put up or shut up" - bring forth the code examples (Hungarian naming conventions will garner you bonus points). BTW - DSP is a very broad subject encompassing a lot of different chipsets - could you be more specific. You state that you program in microprocessor assembly (Motorola's old 68000 and Intel's old 8086) so why are you concerned about mainframe weenies? (Side Note - I did extensive Assembly language work with the 8086 and the 80286 but it was back when these were viable products (the mid 80's) and I would not claim to "currently" write in this language (unless I was trying to puff up my resume or impress non-technical people (hint, hint).

If you want to "out-tech" me you are gonna have to try a lot harder.

Now pull that stick from your rectum and relax!

WHA (white hairy ass), you certainly are anally fixated. What would Freud say? Did you have problems with your toilet training?

What no more Serb civilians getting bombed and killed jokes?

-LVD

Name: LVD to WHA

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I am not a liberal

My apologies - you were just taking (typing) like one

I am one of those extreme centrist

This one made me laugh out loud. Please look up the words "extreme" and "centrist" - you too will have a good laugh.

-LVD

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Note To TechnoBozo in reference to: I bet you still put "GO TO" instructions in your code and think BASIC is a happening language.

Visual Basic is currently the most popular, most used computer language in the Computer Industry (you techno DWEEB). I get lots of money thrown at me for my Visual Basic expertise and I have never used a "GO TO" statement (BTW - it is "GOTO" not "GO TO"). I have programmed in C++ but find programs written in VB are developed much faster and are more robust (VERY MUCH MORE ROBUST) (and usually as fast and often faster than C++). Sorry - you just lost ALL your techno-points on that one. Jeepers, I bet you own a Macintosh!

Name: LVD to WHA

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Yes, I know all the NERD insider lingo.

...from 15 or so years ago.

Name: LVD to WHA

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Maybe I'm wrong, but Regan DID invade Grenada, a tiny island nation for the same reasons.

Guess you were busy with your LISP programs back then - There were Cubans in Grenada and we went in to rescues some AMERICAN students we were NOT fighting the Grenadians (or whatever they call themselves) we were fighting Cubans. White Hairy Ass - his name was REAGAN not Regan (you dweeb).

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Yep, but at least I have one and in the proud tradition of all the Challenger jokes, starving Ethiopean jokes

Let me get this straight - you thing the Challenger exploding was funny and starving Ethiopians are a hoot.

Does the term "sick puppy" sound familiar? You must think the Holocaust was a laugh riot!

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Name: Hairy White Ass

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Message: I could easily affix a thousand lines of code, but you would merely accuse me of stealing. Plus, who wants to look at such here.

As to the "Extreme centrist" remark, that is a joke. Get it?? Obviously not, but that doesn't surprise me.

A little history about Grenada. Certainly there were Cubans there but the mere existence of Cubans doesn't justify anything. The group that overthrew the existing government were in collusion with Cuba certainly, but the Regan administration never announced that Grenada was invaded or overthrown by Cuba. If memory serves me right, we were there to protect those Medical students but somehow I think we could have extracted the hundred or so student without invading the entire country and removing the Coup. Actually, I'm not convinced the students were in any danger at all. Note that I don't argue that getting rid of the Cubans and reinstating the old gov't wasn't a bad thing. I think it was a good thing.

Oh, and I noticed you brought up the popularity of "Visual Basic". I didn't say "Visual Basic", I said "Basic". Given you can't win on the merits, it makes sense you'd try to change the underlying terminology. Kind of like how the SF liberals equate common depositions to torture. Also, you can yak like an idiot about what a non-techie I am based on my lack of Visual Basic expertise, but I never Claimed to use it, know of it, or desire to ever use it. The type of work I do involves communications. things like developing a Adaptive Newtonian algorithms that will minimize signal multipath problems for INMARSAT modems. Guess I'm just a cave dweller compared to you!

And yes, I am such a sick puppy. Obviously the Challenger exploding wasn't funny, buy many of the twisted jokes were despite the subject matter. But given you don't even get the "extreme centrist" joke, I won't bother debating the issue of humor with you.

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BELGRADE, Yugoslavia � As NATO warplanes hammered Serb targets in Kosovo today, Yugoslavia said one of the strikes hit a convoy of ethnic Albanian refugees, killing at least 64 and wounding 20.

So we must kill Albanians to save them?

Name: Susan

email: boss53@aol.com

Message: I make 13.25 an hour, 46 years old, 3 children and a husband, we are middle class, together we earn around 40 thousand per year. in the last 2 years my company's health insurance for family coverage has increased twice, in May 1997, i paid $140.00 month, by Jan. 1998 it increased to $234.00 month, and now this April 1999 it is $309.00 month, it is no longer a benefit to cover your family thru your employer I found out I could also buy insurance on the outside for the same amount. On top of that co-pay, deductibles, precriptions and out of pocket has doubled from last year. When will this stop? I feel so helpless, In this state, Florida our wages are very low, pay raises are tiny but the cost keeps going up,up,up. my point is this, I pay $1.91 an hour for health insurance for my family, I make $13.25 an hour, that means I make $1.91 less and I get no tax break for spending $3,672 on health insurance. When you add this, plus social,medicaid,Fed Tax, and deduct it from my pay there's not much left to live on. SINCERELY AMERICA WAKE UP!

Name: gutless American

email: to Susan

Message: Do you belong, or can you belong, to any trade association? Could you or your husband join the Institute of Electrical and Electronic engineers (IEEE). They offer excellent insurance deals. See www.ieee.com.

Name: gutless American

email: to Susan

Message: Do you belong, or can you belong, to any trade association? Could you or your husband join the Institute of Electrical and Electronic engineers (IEEE). They offer excellent insurance deals. See www.ieee.com.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

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For those of you unable to follow the turbo-nerd jargon above go check out The Jargon Lexicon.

As for you techno-weenies, hop on over to The International Obfuscated C Code Contest Home Page.

When I see your name there (as a winner), then I'll be impressed...

Name: gutless American

email: to LVD

Message: "Regan" or "Reagan" -- I'm obviously guilty of various mispellllings (not to mention typos galore) and you're guilty of extreme ignorance and a criminal lack of a sense of humor.

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Message: The Times of London April 14, 1999
NO RELIEF FOR THE DYING IN BELGRADE HOSPITAL

Bombing by Nato jets is inflicting more suffering on injured civilians, writes Tom Walker in Belgrade
THE doctor turned away from the row of beds and looked at us with a physician's knowing eyes. Ivan, 14, said Dr Nenad Markovic, would probably die. In the background, heart monitors intermittently beeped and ventilators and respirators helping to keep the seriously injured alive hummed.

It was probably best that we did not meet Ivan's parents. Half of us were from Nato countries whose jets had that morning bombed the hospital where their only son is fighting for his life. A week ago the same harbingers of Western justice had bombed Ivan's hometown, Pristina, inflicting the gaping stomach wound that began this cruel chapter in a young life. MORE...

Name: LVD to HWA

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I could easily affix a thousand lines of code, but you would merely accuse me of stealing. Plus, who wants to look at such here.

Yeah, that's the ticket - your wife, eh, Morgan Fairchild (whom you've seen naked) has taken all your code samples - yeah, that's the ticket. (do you consider "thousands of lines of code" a "code sample" - Man, you must be a sloppy spaghetti programmer [are you sure you want to do techie battle with me - you seem unarmed])

As to the "Extreme centrist" remark, that is a joke. Get it?? Obviously not, but that doesn't surprise me.

Jeepers, I thought you were a cunning linguist. CAN YOU READ? This was my statement: This one made me laugh out loud. Please look up the words "extreme" and "centrist" - you too will have a good laugh. . In our culture laughing is the most common reaction to a "joke" - therefore I most have gotten the "joke".

but the Regan administration never

I don't believe I know what you are talking about - Regan? There was never a president named Regan.

I think we could have extracted the hundred or so student without invading the entire country and removing the Coup

WOW, you speak 3 languages, write spaghetti code in about 100 computer languages AND you are an expert in military tactics for an army whose leader in a mystery person named "Regan" (and anally fixated to boot! Or is that to bootie, I digress) You are a modern day Renaissance Man.

Oh, and I noticed you brought up the popularity of "Visual Basic". I didn't say "Visual Basic", I said "Basic". Given you can't win on the merits, it makes sense you'd try to change the underlying terminology

Say What? Change the terminology? Visual Basic is an implementation of the Basic programming language - it is bloody Basic (and I am not real fan of the language but the implementation works). What merits - you said "Basic" was not a happin' language and I think the fact show a different situation.

The type of work I do involves communications. things like developing a Adaptive Newtonian algorithms that will minimize signal multipath problems for INMARSAT modems.

Nice use of buzz words - but what does this have to do with computer languages? (talk about changing the subject). I am not a communications expert but this sounds like hogwash to me - Newtonian algorithms may be useful in overall low-level design but what bloody relevance do they have to commercial communications satellite signal routing? Either you spend a lot of time doing the technology equivalent of contemplating you navel or you have strung together some buzz words so you can sound "technical" (maybe I'm wrong). BTW - we were talking about computer programming languages and you pontificating on what were the "happening" languages. Satellite is fun but in this context - irrelevant. I just installed a DSS system in my house (different satellite) - Can you contemplate an adaptive Newtonian algorithm that will allow me to get the Spice Channel for free?

Guess I'm just a cave dweller compared to you!

What? Do you have a compulsion to continually compare yourself to other people?

-LVD

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to Susan

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As long as we allow the Federal Government to pay medical bills with taxpayer money (Medicare, etc.) the costs will continue to rise. Every time the Feds or the Insurance Companies cover a $200,000.00 Crack Baby birth or spend $500,000.00 reattaching some poor farmers big toe we pay the bill through higher taxes and premiums. When the Law forces the Hospitals to treat everyone, even when they can not pay, we pay the bill for them. Health Care is not a right, it is a service to be paid for by those that can afford to do so. The Feds use the fear of sickness to further their grip on your life; "Vote for Me and I'll take care of you!". Government Is Evil. End of story.

Perhaps after the impending Nuclear War we will all learn to be self-sufficient and accept that bad things happen and there are no guarantees. Perhaps.

Name: Roxy

email: Miss_Roxy@juno.com

Message: Please help me comfirm this. Is it true or false? I believe I heard recently that during Mrs. Clinton's visit to Luxor Egypt, she gave them $46 million dollars toward the construction costs of a dam project being built in that area. Tomorrow is April 15th. Tax Day. If this is true, it's a terrible was to waste our tax contributions.

Name: LVD to Hairy White Adaptive Newtonian Ass (HWANA)

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I'm obviously guilty of various mispellllings (not to mention typos galore) and you're guilty of extreme ignorance and a criminal lack of a sense of humor.

Typo? He was a the bloody President for 8 years (and he was NEVER impeached!) - the Airport in Washington D.C. is named after him - Dulles Airport�. I mean Reagan Nation (Washingtonian joke).

Extreme ignorance - I ain't the fool that thinks there are "GO TO" commands in Basic or that Basic is not a "happening" language. While I will never reach the BS level of Mr. Adaptive Newtonian Algorithms(from Mars) but as far as ignorance goes - check your own posts.

Criminal lack of a sense of humor - lets see, you have asked me to bite your hairy white ass and I said I got a big laugh for the "extreme centrist" comment. Who has the criminal lack of a sense of humor? (BTW- you should see a doctor about your "ass" problem).

Well, my INMARSAT satellite modem is overheating (what with all that digital to digital "modulation" goin' on) so it is time for me to take my minimal signal and mosey on down the multipath. Farewell and say "hi" to Newton for me�

-LVD

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Name: Hairy, White ass

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Message: My wife, Morgan, might agree with you that my code gets a bit sloppy from time to time. It's hard to think with her running around nakkid all the time.

As to the "Extreme centrist" remark, you laughed, but you totally failed to realize that the term is so facially absurd that it must be purposeful, It was meant as a joke, not merely an accident.

And obviously you have no real reply to my assertion that we could extract a hundred students without invading the country so you attempted sarchasm (badly). I also assert that one might treat an ingrown toenail without amputating a leg, yet I am not a doctor.

FYI :As to your assertion as to my "use of buzz words" I said that nothing I could say would convince you about my background. you prove my point. anyway, I certainly could not develop or test an algorithm without knowing a few computer languages. P.S. : don't try to make me think you remotely understand what I do. " - Newtonian algorithms may be useful in overall low-level design but what bloody relevance do they have to commercial communications satellite signal routing? This response is non-responsive. (FYI : there are two general types of adaptive algorithms split into Newtonian and "Steepest descent" methodologies.) Please stop trying your idiotic responses when you haven't the faintest idea what a mulipath problem is in the context of ComSat technologies. Here's a clue - it has absolutely nothing to do with "routing"

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug (fellow airline passenger)

email: Please return your trays to their full, upright position...

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April 13, 1999, 03:03 p.m.

Painful to watch this president, this embarrassment
By BOB WIEMER

THERE are only 20 months left in the second half of the second term of Bill Clinton, the post-impeachment imitation presidency. Like hapless airline passengers dutifully assuming crash position, let us pray and count the days.

More...

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Message: Golly, I spelled Reagan's name incorrectly and typed "Go To" rather than "GoTo". Both in the context of rushed typing and multitasking with real, paying work. Buster, you got me there! I also put forth the occasional stringy code and don't comment sufficiently. Zounds!

Morgan says hello from all nit-picking, cave-dwelling, neanderthals and suggests to you that there are chemicals that will help soothe that nasty streak of anger of yours as well as the voices that obviously plague you.

Zippy - Loved the Hacker site. However, some areas hit just a bitt too close to home.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug for "Hairy Whiteass"

email: (just in case you hadn't heard this one....)

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One day a brave entered the chief's teepee and asked a question; "Chief, tell me, you name each of the babies when they are born, how do you decide what to name them?"

The chief said, "I look around me for a sign. If I see an eagle flying above the clouds I might name the child 'Hunting Eagle' or if I see a buffalo grazing in the distance I may choose the name 'Peaceful Buffalo'... But why do you ask me this question Two Dogs Fucking?"

Name: Last Visible Dog

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Message: Since the Hillary forum is taking a techno-diversion (of sorts). I went to the Jargon Lexicon site that Zippy posted and found this quote form Edsger W. Dijkstra (writer of "Selected Writings on Computing: A Personal Perspective"): "It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to students that have had prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration."

After singing the praises of Visual Basic I want to completely agree with this statement. I came to VB from a College-PASCAL -CLIPPER - C - C++ progression. I have a strong OOP background and I am religiously fanatic about good software design. I got into VB because it is a superior tool - but I am no fan of the Basic language (though the modern incarnation of very workable). Anyway, I now work at company that has been producing a software product since 1968 (I was in 5th grade at that time). Anyway, there are died-in-the-wool Basic programmer (that DO use GOTO) here and on may occasions while trying to explain structured programming or object oriented programming my head has split open and flames have leaped out. (the good news is Basic has evolved - unfortunately this can not allows be said for legacy Basic programmers).

If there are no programmers out there this thread will die a quick death.

Pardon the digression.

-LVD

Name: LVD

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Message: What is with this "fruitless" statement connected to Starr - this is lunacy! - he was the reason that Bill Clinton was successfully impeached. I don't think Starr has lost a case yet. (the MacDougal trail was declared a mistrial). Starr have had nothing but success. What is with liberal - when reality does not fit your needs, event a new one?

Name: HWA

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Message: I too managed to avoid BASIC and was weened on FORTRAN. I migrated to PASCAL and then to C and C++ because ther's no PASCAL work. There's lot's of C and Assembly, however. Anyway, I also digress. FYI : I did admire Reagan, notwithstanding his faults. I must protest your comparing Clinton to weasels as it is a grave insult to all weasels

Next time I see you here want a little more love in the room!

Love
Hairy, White Ass
a.k.a. gutless American

P.S. : I'm a Jew and I think there's a few hysterical jokes on the Holocaust

Name: Susan

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I got him good !
That EVIL Ken Starr !

Those stupid Starr prosecutors asked the judge if they could interview the jury.
I have no objection. I welcome it.
I want to get confirmation from 12 Arkansans that those prosecutors are the lamest trial lawyers they've ever seen.

I can only hope that they retry this case. I would like nothing better than to come down here and try Ken Starr again.

But you know what ? They don't have the guts.

I am prepared to continue doing battle against Starr. I already have plans to testify before Congress about the independent counsel law. I'm going to make history and get rid of this EVIL !

Just look at what two very intelligent legal experts have to say about all of this:
"Starr would be unwise to bring another case against McDougal, because it would be regarded as overly aggressive," said Steven Saltzburg, a George Washington University law professor and former high-ranking Justice Department official under Presidents Reagan and Bush.
"I think it would look to the public, and maybe to the new jury, as piling on," said Paul Rothstein, a Georgetown University law professor.

Come on Starr. Just try to come after me again, you LOSER !

SETBACK FOR STARR! -- SUSAN McDOUGAL FREE AT LAST!