AT A BRIEFING in Brussels, NATO officials said Serb forces had driven 290,000 people out of Kosovo in the past 10 days and could clear all the ethnic Albanians from the province within 10-20 days.

Neighboring Macedonia said it was unable to cope with the wave of people trying to escape and would only allow in refugees who could move on to other countries. With another 50,000 waiting to enter, Macedonia’s top government officials said the army would prevent the illegal entry of any more refugees. “The security situation in the country could be seriously endangered because of the huge wave of refugees from Kosovo,” the Macedonian Security Council said after an all-night meeting. MORE...

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Message: The First World War started in the Balkans. The Second World War started in the Balkans. The third, and last, world war will start in the Balkans.

Name: lorelei kraft

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Message: News reports state that the U.S. will accept 20,000 Kosovo refugees. I don't know what the plans are for housing them, but I am willing to take one or two refugee families. Please let me know if I can be of service. I also feel we must stay in Kosovo till the massacres stop.

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Message: First Yugoslavia, tomorrow Russia?  
   By ANDREI ZOLOTOV JR.

   Copyright © 1999 Christian Science Monitor Service 
  (April 5, 1999 10:22 a.m. EDT) - Why do Russians like Serbs? Don't  they think of Slobodan Milosevic as a genocidal dictator deserving of   all the firepower NATO can deliver? These are the questions I'm   peppered with by American friends and colleagues as my fellow   Russians go to the streets over NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia.    

  First, I say, listen to Russian nationalists' favorite slogan: "What is happening to Serbia today will happen to Russia tomorrow."   At both emotional and practical levels, the pounding Yugoslavia is taking reminds us of our Cold War loss, and it's an uneasy feeling.   Serbia is an emotional touchstone because - just like Russia - it is a Slavic nation of Orthodox Christian heritage, squeezed between West and East on the border of European civilization. Both have large Muslim minorities with various degrees of local nationalism. Both Serbian and Russian identities were shaped over centuries of grueling defense against foreign aggression. In this century, we were allies in two world wars, and Serbia was also home to hundreds of thousands of Russian emigres who fled the Bolshevik revolution. With such a shared history, we understand very well why Serbs wouldn't accept a foreign occupation to enforce "peace" in Kosovo. 

     On an emotional level, Russians can't help but sympathize with "brother" Serbs.     

So, during the past 10 years of civil wars in the former Yugoslavia, when atrocities were committed on all sides, the Russian media have demonstrated perhaps the same degree of slant in favor of Serbs as the Western media have shown against them.  

   MORE...

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Message: Bernie Ward, talk show host on KGO Radio, who is now broadcasting from the Macedonian border, says he gets very angry at the TV, because he hears about the aid that is flowing in to Macedonia for the refugees. But he says, not much is getting to them. He wonders why we can't help more.

I wonder that too. With all our high-tech sophistication we can't come up with much to help the refugees. Oh, what humanitarians we are. We know how to kill but we don't know how to save.

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Message: THE NEW YORK TIMES
   April 7, 1999
   OP-ED
   In the Balkans, No Wars Are 'Local'      By ROBERT D. KAPLAN

   STOCKBRIDGE, Mass. -- The humanitarian nightmare in Kosovo may be reason enough for NATO's involvement in the former Yugoslavia, but for the United States there are vital strategic stakes involved as well. These stakes justify the use of any NATO measures needed to defeat Serbia, including the use of ground troops, because nothing less than the future contours of Europe are now being decided.  

   When the East-West division of Europe was erased in 1989 with the collapse of the Berlin Wall, a new division immediately began forming: that between Central Europe and the Balkans. Even before the outbreak of fighting in Yugoslavia in 1991, the Central European states of Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia were pulling dramatically ahead of Balkan countries like Romania and Bulgaria in terms of progress toward stable, democratic rule. 

  These northerly states of the former Warsaw Pact had several advantages: they were heirs to the traditions of the Hapsburg Empire, and they had sizable middle classes prior to World War II and Communist rule. The Balkan states were burdened by centuries of Byzantine and Turkish absolutism, and even before the Communist takeovers their middle classes had been mere specks amid vast seas of peasantries.  

   The admission of Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization has formalized this dangerous historical and religious redivision of Europe: between a Roman Catholic and Protestant West and an Orthodox Christian and Muslim East.  

   However, Slobodan Milosevic's campaign in Kosovo has now given the West a chance to reverse this process. A real NATO victory, one that not only gives the Kosovars protection but also knocks Serbia off its perch as the region's military threat, would go a long way toward stabilizing the continent. MORE....  

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Message: THE NEW YORK TIMES
   April 7, 1999
   EDITORIAL
   Faster Aid for the Refugees

   President Clinton has achieved a great deal in recent days by rushing assistance to the desperate refugees from Kosovo, but much remains to be done. The United States now estimates that nearly a million of Kosovo's 1.8 million ethnic Albanians have fled their homes, and nearly half a million of them have left Kosovo. Medicine, tons of food and hundreds of tents are on the way to the region, thanks in large part to an American airlift. But the White House must continue to direct the aid effort to insure that bureaucratic inertia does not impede the flow of supplies and that the Balkan area is not destabilized by the sudden population shift.

      The least help so far has gone to Montenegro, a tiny Yugoslav republic at odds with the Serbian leader, Slobodan Milosevic, which may be his next target. In the last year it has absorbed the equivalent of nearly 15 percent of its population in refugees. But the war and the presence of Yugoslav troops have blocked NATO airlifts and closed other channels for help.  

   If this does not change, financial assistance should be sent to the Government.  

   Albania, the poorest nation in Europe, has taken in a quarter-million people, and tens of thousands are waiting to cross the border. The refugees are being moved from the frontier to more settled areas, where tent cities, with security provided by NATO troops, are waiting.

   But these convoys cannot keep up with the flood of new arrivals.   In Macedonia, relations between the country's Albanian minority and its largely pro-Serb majority were always tense, and the Government fears an influx of ethnic Albanians will lead to unrest. NATO m

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Message: NATO properly rejected the cease-fire, which came with no long-term peace proposal, but the offer may be the first sign that Milosevic is looking for a way out of the conflict.  

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Message: THE NEW YORK TIMES
   April 7, 1999
   CRISIS IN THE BALKANS: THE DIPLOMACY
   U.S. Asks Russia to Play Mediating Role in the Kosovo Crisis   By JANE PERLEZ

   WASHINGTON -- The Clinton administration has approached Moscow to serve as a go-between with Slobodan Milosevic in a new attempt to find a diplomatic solution to the conflict in Kosovo. MORE...

Name: Wee-Willey-Jeff

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Message: Call me crazy, but let 'ol Wee-Willey-Jeff tell all of you something.

There is no thrill like ordering the world's largest, most powerful military machine into action, knowing that lives are on the line and that many people, innocent or no, will be snuffed out of existence while at the same time getting a world class hummer from a nameless, faceless girl half my age.

Laugh, wince, or whatever, but I know!

Name: Karen Layman

email: karen@ohsaycanyousea.com

Message: Can't you do anything to stop your husband from his power games bombing the Christians in Belgrade and Yugoslavia while he defends the terrorist Kosovo Liberbation Army. I am very ashamed to be an American today. I have been crying for a week, while we continue to kill the Yugoslavia people ourselves. Do you think they will be less dead if we bomb them than if they kill each other ? Why did your husband apologize for bombing Christians on passover, yet he thinks it perfectly okay to bomb them on Good Friday and Easter. Why has he presented a one sided agreement that no President would sign ? Why can you stand by him ? Why do you love war for war's sake and why does your husband always side with the terrorists ? (Arafat - Palistinians, Ireland - IRA, etc, etc.)

Name: Robert J. Paumer

email: : l;costa@inreach.com

Message: Dear Hillary: We give billions to the Russians and we allow China to dump their products on America and yet we allow Russia & China to defy us in the Yugoslavia theater! Its as if we are subsidizing Russia to arm the Serbs and paying China to do the same. Its insane! How stupid do you believe the American populace is! We will not tolerate this kind of political manuever's! Wake-up to the fact that we are not that stupid! And ... You will suffer for all of this smoke & mirror diplomacy.

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Message: Now that Americans support (are demanding) sending in the troops Milosevic is testing us for a cease-fire... All you have do now WWJ is to rescue the refugees in grand style (nothing less since this is a "humanitarian war") and then send in the troops after Milosevic has been bombed to hell.

You MUST WIN this war WWJ. Whatever it takes....

Name: HRC

email: to whining village members

Message: OK people, you need to understand that we are a "global village" and that ocasionally an area of the "village" needs to be disciplined. We "share" our resources with China and Russia to "spread the wealth" throughout the village. The Serbs are in need of some "village discipline" and we will continue the discipline until they comply with the wishes of the village. Now go back to your work and let Bill and I take care of the village.

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The Second World War started in the Balkans.

From my understanding of WWII - this is not a true statement (Clinton made this statement and I believe he is in error). WWII started in Austria and Poland and on many Pacific islands - but the Balkans? I don't get it. Enlighten me.

-LVD

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Message: WW-I started after the world powers took sides after the assassination of of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. "Es ist nichts" ("it is nothing"), he said at the time, not realizing the mortal nature of his wound. WW-I ended shortly after the U.S. got involved mostly because the Germans saw the vast industrial resources the U.S. had and sued for peace. While the U.S. pleaded for leniency, the Eurotrash governments grounded their grubby little heels into the Austro-Hungarian empire splitting it and most of the middle-east up. These oppressive conditions eventually gave rise to the rise of Germany and WW-II. It would not be entirely incorrect to say that WW-I evolved into WW-II which turned into the cold war. Imagine, the effects of that assassination were felt up until the the last of the Russians left East German soil.

Otherwise, one must say that WW-II officially started with the German invasion of Poland, which to my understanding, is not considered Balkan.

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Message: I have some philosophical bones to pick with one of your statements.

Principles are subjective.

You can not make a blanket statement like this - maybe YOUR principles are subjective but many believe principles, ethics, and morals are far from subjective. From my reading of our Constitution - its foundation is in opposition to your statement "principles are subject". Read the phrase "We hold these truths to be self-evident" - the trues are principles and self-evident in the antithesis of subjective.

Power is something you must deal with, but principles can be traded for survival or for personal gain.

If that is you philosophic view of the world - then I feel sorry for you. This statement pretty much is the definition of anarchy. You are free to be an anarchist but this was not the philosophy this country was founded on. Bill Clinton may have situational ethics and principles and he basically lives the anarchist life - these are not the values our country was founded on.

I think the Sex Pistols summed up anarchy quite nicely in their lyric "Get Pissed, Destroy!"

America is a pragmatic.

Says you. The US of A was founded on VERY lofty principles but we often settle for pragmatism. Pragmatism is often the easy way out.

.Our god is a political system called democracy: in-consensus-we-trust=democracy. We operate within a system and apply principles wherever they comfortably fit

Bologna! First off - we are not and have never been a democracy. The US of A is a Republic (there is a big difference). Second, the God of the system is a higher power not some man-made system. It is statements like this that makes me believe that liberals are intellectually lazy. The thing that sets the US apart from the rest of the world is the people get their RIGHTS from God (the higher power) and NOT any man-made system ("endowed by our creator with unalienable rights") - the people, empowered by God, lend the power to elected offices. The night-editor is obviously an anarchist but that has little to nothing to do with the government of the US. True, corrupt politicians like Clinton may apply the principles of anarchy but this is done in opposition to the foundations of our country.

There are better ways to reach ones target but I'm stuck on this level because it works.

Isn't that the same thing that criminals say? I think your confusion is centered on thinking that our government was founded on pragmatism and anarchy - that is what happens when you spend too much time listening to liberals trying to rewrite history.

Maybe you are just sarcastic and I am missing the joke.

-LVD

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Message: LVD, I really take offense when you insult me personally when we engage in philosophical discussions. I stated what America IS, not the lofty ideal that it aspires to. Furthermore, when I state what, in my opinion, America IS, that does not mean I am offering myself as an example. Please, please stop jumping to conclusions, especially about my personal belief system. You do not even have an inkling of what that is, or where I have been, or where I am going on my personal spiritual path. You wouldn't even understand it if I told you.

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email: to editor re. LVD

Message: You say the most ridiculous statements and then are "offended" when someone points out the obvious errors in your statements - how "liberal" of you. Why don't we all walk through life declaring our personal proclamations "holy" (and liberals aren't "religious extremists") and (want to) believe there are no principles or moral absolutes. Sounds like anarchy to me.

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email: Rights from God

Message: It would be nice if we got our rights from God (but only if it were from MY God, that is). Everyone can have a relationship with God. You don't have to be an American to have those "inalienable rights."

My God tells me that if you conduct a "humanitarian war" against another country you first consider the humans before you drop the bombs. Mu God would have arranged for a high-tech humanitarian relief system before we dropped a single high-tech bomb. My God would have told me that I must take on the responsibility of saving every single refugee that was expelled from Kosovo because of our bombing which accelerated the expulsion that has been under way for some years already. My God would have told me that bombing would accelerate the refugee expulsion and overwhelm the relief agencies because that's what Milosovic already told us. Obviously I have a different God to you because you did not recognize, let alone honor my position even though I have it in bold on the marquee: "DROP FOOD NOT BOMBS!" According to you that is the position of an "anarchist" Well, LVD, if that's what I am, I am very proud that I put the humanitarian disaster on a higher level than winning the war.

Winning the war is strategically important, but not more important than winning the humanitarian war which, so far, we have bungled badly. We have caused tremendous suffering because of our poor planning. According to you I think in these terms because I am "intellectually lazy." Well, I am very proud to be intellectually lazy. There are one million ethnic Albanians who will agree with me, but you wouldn't understand that, or even accept that their thoughts and their suffering are worth considering.

You can keep getting your inalienable rights from your God who tells you to bomb first and think later, but I prefer my humanitarian God.

Lastly

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Message: I see you are back? But please be nice. This is a war and I hate war. So LVD, this is not the Clinton impeachment procedings. This is war. When one person kills another it is called murder, but when many people fight under a religion or a belief it is called war.

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Message: It is sad as we close the 20th Century, War and atrocitites against people rears it ugly head. Has history repeated itself? Don't we ever learn that History does repeat it self.

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email: In my humble opinion

Message: Yeah, LVD be "nice" and don't "offend" liberals with things like the truth or reality based reasoning. Have you noticed how Editor suffers from "Clintonese" and instead of defending his/her past statements, accuses you of wanting to bomb people? It is like trying to reach an emotionally disturbed 7th grader who has to defend his/her ego at all costs.

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email: Couldn't see it coming?

Message: "Don't we ever learn that History does repeat it self." ..... You mean, like a pathetic, shallow, lying (excuse me, "misleading") adulterous, treasonous President dropping bombs on people to get his personal problems off the front page and boost his "approval ratings?" Well yes, some of us figured this out a long time ago, but the Clinton defenders and the weanies in the Senate don't have a clue.

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Message: Clinton does not rule the world. I do not want to believe that NATO just did what he said because he wanted to get his personal problems off the front page. Free Speech reminds you that this is NOT the impeachment hearings, this is WAR. People are being killed, tortured, raped and left in the fields to die of exposure. Please do not be glib. We are not talking about Monica and blowjobs anymore, although I wish we were back in those days.

Bernie Ward, who is a talk show host with KGO radio, is now broadcasting from Macedonia. He tells us about the transformations he has gone through in the week since he has been there. One of the transformations is that he has stopped cracking glib jokes. It's NOT APPROPRIATE when 1.1 million people have been expelled from their country and are suffering.

I know it's difficult for you in your comfortable home on your high-tech computer but at least try to think in respectful terms regarding this war.

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Message: I hate to tell you this, Graduated, but change is only thing that is absolute.

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Message: (Jeepers - I thought the night-editor was a different person, silly me)

LVD, I really take offense when you insult me personally when we engage in philosophical discussions.

Editor - you can not read. I did insult you in my message - NOT ONCE. I did say "It is statements like this that makes me believe that liberals are intellectually lazy." - that is neither directed at you specifically or a insult. BTW - I stand by my statement.

Furthermore, when I state what, in my opinion, America IS, that does not mean I am offering myself as an example

Words have meaning. That is NOT what you said - you made a statement and signed it and never once did you say "these are not my believes" or "this is how America is". If they are you OPINION of what America is - that is cool (I still disagree with you).

. Please, please stop jumping to conclusions, especially about my personal belief system

Jeepers, I did not jump to any anything - I simply analyzed a statement you made. You may what to work on your message structure because you are implying your message contained a lot of information in actuality it did not. You made the statements and did not attribute them to anybody else so it is only logical to conclude that they are your personal beliefs.

You do not even have an inkling of what that is

I won't argue with you on that one - all I can go on is your words as they are posted on this forum.

You do not even have an inkling of what that is, or where I have been

I don't believe I made any comments on where you have been.

where I am going on my personal spiritual path.

You are getting ramblie now - must be medication time. I said NOTHING about your personal spiritual path (have you been talking to the neighbors dog again?) - not to mention your spiritual path has nothing to do with my message ("Take these rocks from my hand, grasshopper")

You wouldn't even understand it if I told you.

What is this a schoolyard argument now. Well, first off - I'm rubber and your glue. Second, you would never understand what I understand so therefore your not understanding what I would understand is understandable and therefore I actually understand more that you understand but you do not understand so you think I would not understand because in actuality you are the one that does not understanding and I am the one that actually understands - your lack of understanding gives you the false impression that I would not understand when it is I that truly understands and it is you that does not understand - understand?

I studied philosophy and religion so I'll bet I understand I lot more than you know.

(I am still rubber and you are still glue)

-LVD

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I know this war thing is troubling, but I'm gonna walk.

Even though the judge is in on the Ken Starr conspiracy, the jury knows I am the victim here.
I can see it in their eyes. They are going to set me free !

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Message: LVD and Graduated think their "principles" are absolute while the Editor's "principles" are wrong. That's how religious and cultural wars begin. That's what we are dealing with in the Balkans. If we bombed Kosovo with amnesia bombs they would stop fighting. The war is in their heads. It's not over resources which are necessary to their survival, or a threat to their [the Serbs] existence. It is because the Serbs' memories tell them that Kosovo is their sacred home and they must have it at any price. The Serbs have a strange definition of sacred if they believe that over one million Albanians must first be destroyed before Kosovo becomes sacred. That's what happens when you have "absolute principles" The Serbs have such absolute principles that they cannot tolerate anyone else who does not have the same "absolute principles" as they have.

Right here on this board today LVD and Graduated are shooting insults at the Editor because they think the Editor does not have the same "absolute principles" as they have. That's how religious and cultural wars begin.

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Message: Yeah Susan. Go... We were so worried about you! Thank you for letting us know. Even though the war is on we still care what happens to you. Good Luck!

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It would be nice if we got our rights from God (but only if it were from MY God, that is). Everyone can have a relationship with God. You don't have to be an American to have those "inalienable rights."

That is not my personal opinion - Read the Declaration of Independence, it outlines where the power originates (its a priori beginning). In the US of A it is not just a good idea - it is the foundation of our government. As for not having to be an American to have inalienable rights - of course! But in the US of A - this concept in the foundation of our government (unlike most countries). Read this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The truths (principles) are self-evident (because they come from God). ALL men are endowed with rights given to them from the Creator (capital "C", meaning God). The government is OF (key word) men and is subordinate to the rights of men. This is what makes the US of A special.

I have it in bold on the marquee: "DROP FOOD NOT BOMBS!" According to you that is the position of an "anarchist"

That makes no sense at all. No, the slogan "Drop food not bombs" does not make you an anarchist. My comment on anarchy was direct at this statement you made Power is something you must deal with, but principles can be traded for survival or for personal gain. - this statement is nearly the textbook definition of anarchy. BTW - The Editor also said (in bold letters) WIN THE WAR DECISIVELY! (sounds like the editor is trying to play both sides).

You can keep getting your inalienable rights from your God who tells you to bomb first and think later, but I prefer my humanitarian God.

Have you totally lost it? When did "my God" tell me to bomb first and think later. BTW - my God is against war - even if the purpose of the word is to rebuild Bill "weasel boy" Clinton's legacy. Are you saying that you have been personally talking to my God? Not to mention - I have been against this war from day one so where do you get off saying my God told me to bomb first. BTW - my God did not tell me to bomb anything. Am I the only person that thinks the editor is losing touch with reality?

-LVD

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I see you are back? But please be nice. This is a war and I hate war. So LVD, this is not the Clinton impeachment procedings. This is war. When one person kills another it is called murder, but when many people fight under a religion or a belief it is called war.

Can you tell me what in the H-E-double hockey sticks you are talking about? I was replying to message about the principles of the government of the US of A. I was not talking about the war - not to mention I am completely against it and it is the editor that said "Win Decisively". Who am I not being nice to?

-LVD

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I do not want to believe that NATO just did what he said because he wanted to get his personal problems off the front page.

It is call a symbiotic relationship. NATO is an organization that is run by these cats that make really big salaries. NATO not longer has a real purpose and many are thinking it should be defunded. Defunding means no more big salaries and no more prestige. So NATO must justify its existence - redefine itself. NATO was a defensive organization - now they what to be an aggressor organization.

Bill "weasel boy" Clinton is an international joke that is coasting to the end of his presidency. He basically accomplished nothing in his last term. Clinton disparately does not what to be known as the "blowjob kid" or the "Lair-in-Chief" so he needs to do something REAL BIG to change his legacy.

NATO needs an army to pulls off their scheme to justify their existence and weasel boy needs a new legacy. Clinton has been a buffoon when it comes to foreign policy and the Joint Chief and nearly all career military people said this war was unwinable. But Clinton saw a new legacy just in reach and jumped right in. NATO could not have done it without Clinton and vise versa - a symbiotic relationship.

-LVD

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LVD and Graduated think their "principles" are absolute while the Editor's "principles" are wrong.

Are you losing your mind - I never said anything about absolute or MY principles - I was talking about the foundation of this country - I said NOTHING about MY principles. Do you need new glasses?

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If we bombed Kosovo with amnesia bombs they would stop fighting. The war is in their heads.

The War is in Bill Clinton's head - he is the one dropping bombs.

Name: Graduated High School

email: You have what you wanted (Bubba).

Message: If Clinton defenders and the Senate had any principle in regards to the rule of Law, old "perjury, obstruction of justice, what oath?" Bubba would be cruisin' cat houses in Nevada instead of starting wars to change his pathetic "legacy." You reap what you sew (oh my gosh, another principle).

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Right here on this board today LVD and Graduated are shooting insults at the Editor because they think the Editor does not have the same "absolute principles" as they have. That's how religious and cultural wars begin.

You have lost your mind - I have not insulted you once. PLEASE, present evidence to support your claims. Lunatics start wars - who has been a lunatic on this board today? I rest my case.

I comment on the Editor saying that she felt this country was based on anarchy and pragmatism - now the Editor is rambling about me and my "absolute principles" - I challenge you EDITOR to find the word "absolute" in any of my messages (expect that ones where I say I had not said the word earlier). I am serious - your dialogue today has been lunacy - you are claiming people are saying things they are not and then you go a on a rebuttal to these fictitious statements for what seems like the sole person of deflecting attention from the fact that you were for all out - kill them all - war and now you are Ms. Humanitarian. Editor - you are losing it!.

Please stop claiming I have made statement when I have not. I bit of advice - quote me! If you can't quote than it is pretty likely you are making it up.

Ponderous!

-LVD

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Message: This is what was supposed to be after "Read This" in the above statment: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Name: ControlGirl

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Message: ...and the sad part is which of his "heads" the war in in...Billy Boy and his media deflectors! Dang this is getting expensive. Maybe it would just be cheaper in terms of human lives and world peace if we just let Slick Willy screw whoever he wants to and get away with it.

Name: Graduated High School

email: Bubba's World

Message: "I hate to tell you this, Graduated, but change is only thing that is absolute." ..... Hmmm, you mean "thou shall not steal" is no longer an absolute or a "principle?" No wonder you are such fans of Susan McDougal. Maybe I misunderstood what you are saying, maybe you mean that change is constant, but with liberals, one is not always sure if words mean what they usually mean. What I find rather amazing is the failure of some people to understand the concept of CONSEQUENCES. You make it perfectly clear that there should be no accountability for your Bubba, then you are shocked when he does something as foolish as this bombing of the Serbs. Bubba was warned of the consequences, but with Bubba, Bubba's "self-esteem therapy index rating" comes first. A little foresight and understanding beyond Bubba's selfish little universe would have prevented this. Hint: Milosevic doesn't give a damn about Bubba's self-esteem or "legacy." Maybe adhering to the "principle" of having clearly defined goals, exit strategies and anticipating the enemies response before blundering into a war would have been prudent. But with Bubba and his followers, Bubba's feelings come first.

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email: it's totally lost it day on the HRC forum

Message: "Even though the judge is in on the Ken Starr conspiracy..." ..... I knew it! What did I say a few forums ago, the judge has to be in on it too. Susan, your life is over, even if you get off, Ken Starr's BLACK HELICOPTERS are going to follow you everywhere, they will put things into your food, they will hypnotize you into quacking like a duck at random intervals, you can't escape the EVIL KEN STARR! (note editors, that was sarcasm, so don't get your undies in a bunch)

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Message: Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has reportedly offered to hand back three American soldiers through Cyprus as a gesture of goodwill. 

     The speaker of the Cypriot parliament, Spyros Kyprianou, said he will travel to Belgrade on Thursday in an effort to secure the release of soldiers captured by Yugoslav forces last week. 

  Mr Kyprianou said he had been in negotiations with President Milosevic, who was ready to hand over the soldiers as long as certain conditions were met.      But Nato has said the soldiers' release must be unconditional.  

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4/7/99
Richard Gwyn

So far, NATO has blundered, militarily and politically. But it is bound to win in the end. Having proven itself, it will function thereafter as a mercenary, international armed force - the miltary equivalent of the International Monetary Fund or the World Trade Organization. On the eve of the millennium, a ``new world order'' is actually beginning to emerge.MORE...   

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Where did I put my cyanide pills?

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Message: Dear Mrs. Clinton, It is with sincere intentions that I share with you the following e-mail that I have sent to the State of Pennsylvania Department of Health. Please take the time to read this very important e-mail, even though it is not related to the current world-wide crisis, I believe your staff my find it worth while to contact me. Thank you for your time. Here is the attached e-mail. Subj: Women's Health Care: We have a long way to go! Date: 4/8/99 7:15:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: AGamble162 To: webmaster@health.state.pa.us CC: AGamble162 CC: Scarlett.Spring@Astrapharmaceuticals.com To Whom It May Concern: My name is Amy J. Gamble and I am a resident of the state of Pennsylvania. I am employed by Astra-Zeneca Pharmaceutical Company as the Director of Customer Programs. I am writing this e-mail to first of all thank you for your efforts as you begin to raise the level of awareness for Women's Health Care Issues. Secondly, I am also writing to make you aware of how far we need to go to change the way women are treated by physicians and health care professionals. In the past six weeks of my life I have experienced the most traumatic, incomprehendible health care debacle. My family, friends and myself trusted in physicians to treat me and at every turn we were confused, lied too, discounted, and I was eventually put through the horrors of psychiatric institutions. I have a chronic and severe condidtion of endometriosis. On February 21 I was admitted to a hospital in the state of Pennsylvania. More than six weeks later, and after tremendous mistakes with my treatment, more than 20 different prescribed medications, and more than 45 injections with narcotics and schedule 4 class drugs, I am still suffering. Except today, I suffer from both the physical symptoms I started with and the emotional pain of what these health care professionals have put me through. My questions for you are: 1) why are health care professionals the only profession that is not held accountable for their mistakes? 2) Why are women discounted when they claim they are suffering physical pain? 3) When a women presents to the emergency room for severe pain, why do health care professionals immediately suggest that she must be suffering from anxiety/PMS/menopause/ etc... My name is Amy Gamble and I have a story to tell. I have given minimal information, but I am more than happy to share my entire story, in hopes that I may be able to help illicit some change in a health care system that is way over due for reform and in need of checks and balances. I leave you with one comment and that is that physicians and health care professionals are human too. This means they also make mistakes. I understand. However, would anyone of us who are professionals be permitted to make the same mistakes over and over again without having to answer to anyone? What would happen to me in my position with a major pharmaceutical company if I treated my direct reports and customers the way I have been treated by health care professionals? Please feel free to contact me. I will continue to be persistent in raising questions with appropriate people, until someone listens and realizes that what I am saying from my own personal experience probably happens more times than any of us would like to admit. If you wish to contact me, here is the information you may need: 610-341-9150 (h) 610-695-1766 (w) 610-316-6118 (mobile) AGamble162@aol.com (e-mail) Amy.Gamble@Astrapharmaceuticals.com (e-mail) Thank you for your time. Amy J. Gamble

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You are so consumed with hatred that you have no respect or compassion for Amy J. Gamble. Shame on you.

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Message: BBC: Albright Denies "Personal War" Thursday, April 8, 1999 Published at 09:20 GMT 10:20 UK BBC: World: Americas

  US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright has denied leading the US into military action over Kosovo because her political judgement had been clouded by her childhood experiences as a refugee in post-war Europe. 

    Rejecting claims that she was the hawkish figure who had been determined to press the Clinton administration into bombing

In an article quoting anonymous officials, the newspaper reported that Albright allegedly told the adminstration that President Milosevic would back down like a "schoolyard bully" when confronted with the first wave of bombings.   

Mrs Albright and her aides have also been attacked in the US press for underestimating the Yugoslav president's readiness to move ruthlessly against the Kosovo Albanian population.  

US commentators have closely identified Ms Albright with hawkish foreign policy in the Balkans, often prodding a reluctant administration to take tougher action.

   Some critics have dubbed the conflict "Albright's War".  MORE...

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         KOSOVO HUMAN RIGHTS FLASH #22
      April 7, 1999
         US Plans Deny Kosovo Albanians Refugee Rights

         (New York, April 7, 1999) Human Rights Watch today contended that U.S.
government plans to place Kosovo Albanians at Guantanamo Bay will not
      adequately protect their rights as refugees.  "We appreciate the
      humanitarian response of the United States to the refugees, but it is
      no favor to keep them indefinitely confined at an offshore military
      base" said Holly Cartner, executive director of the Europe and Central
      Asia division of Human Rights Watch. "There is no doubt that these are
      refugees under international law, and the U.S. should fully recognize
      them as such rather than giving them a dubious secondary status."
  

      To date, the U.S. plan does not include giving the Kosovo Albanians
      legal status as refugees under U.S. law.  By keeping the Albanians
      offshore, the U.S. government will deprive them of their right to
      apply for political asylum, to challenge any decision to deport them,
      or to challenge the conditions of their confinement at Guantanamo.
      "These rights are essential," said Cartner, "because  it is unclear
      when -- if ever -- Kosovo will be safe for ethnic Albanians to return
      to their homes." Guantanamo, as a military base, has historically
      presented obstacles to the humane treatment of refugees and asylum
      seekers, including difficult access for lawyers, restricted movement
      for those interned, poor medical facilities, and minimal social
      services.   

      Human Rights Watch called on the government to immediately extend
      refugee status to all Kosovo Albanians being airlifted by the U.S. and
      to respect fully their rights under the 1951 Refugee Convention and
      its 1967 Protocol. The organization welcomed the government's
      announced decision to halt deportations of Kosovo Albanians who are
      already in the country, and urged that they too be granted full
      refugee status under U.S. law.
  

      *** This human rights flash is an occasional information bulletin from
      Human Rights Watch.  It will include human rights updates on the
      situation in Yugoslavia generally and in Kosovo specifically.  For
      further information see the Human Rights Watch website
www.hrw.org )or contact Fred Abrahams at (212) 216-1270
or  abraha-@hrw.org  ***   

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Message: Actually I feel sorry for Amy Gamble. She is seeking assistance from the flim flam couple when if she has a "case" there will be a ton of attorney's willing to persue medical malpractice for her. There are blind people who still haven't figured out the flim flam couple and actually put their misguided hope there instead of pursuing real world remedies. I find it amusing how eager you are to jump to "hate" conclusions. Then again, you can only speak from your own "hate" perspective (or is it because I mock "Clinton compassion" that is why you give the knee-jerk "hate" BS).

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Message: Hillary, what are you doing to alleviate the suffering of the refugees? We've heard nothing from you. If you were Senator of New York what would you be doing for them right now? Your silence on this matter does not get you votes.

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Message: Oh, yeah, Susan, We'll party when you walk. Next week or in 2 to 5 years -- whatever. When did the judge turn to the evil Starr??? I thought he was the same judge who let you out early! Dang, how did that happen!

Dear Amy J. Gamble -- I feel yer pain. Mebbe we should crack down on the Doctors and make them responsible for their mistakes. Hillary wants to introduce a new concept into medicine called a malpractice suit whereby doctors would need to pay sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in insurance so that victims such as yerself could sue them on the off chance the doctors had been negligent. Of course the lawyers will make a killing, but this is okay since the American Trial Lawyers Union is my biggest contributor. When I see a woman in pain I just usually say "You should put some ice on that lip."

Dearest Esme, I got a special place in the Oval Office bathroom reserved just fer you. Control Girl, I reserve all rights to the use of the word "Dang" on this forum. Al Gore invented the word, you know.

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Message: How in the world can any thinking person say that NATO is winning? What have they won? NATO created the worst refugee situation since WWII and there is still no solution for the problem. Milosevic has rid Kosovo of almost all the Albanians. The Serb position has not changed at all. Milosevic has outmaneuvered Clinton and NATO continuously - Milosevic offered to have cease-fire but NATO is saying "NO WAY, we want more death, more destruction, more innocence civilians dead from indiscriminate bombing". Milosevic left NATO with their pants down by offering to return the POWs as a goodwill gesture but all NATO can do is reply by saying "We want to KILL, we want more death, more refugees, more dead civilians" (NATO killed 10 innocent civilians in one raid yesterday - if dead civilians are a measure of victory, NATO is winning big-time). Jeepers, press reports says NATO is turning into a mercenary organization and the Editor thinks that is a victory for NATO - Unbelievable! Right now Clinton and NATO are spinning overtime to find a way to claim some sort of twisted victory - check the facts - Milosevic got everything he wanted and NATO is being referred to as a Mercenary organization. Only the blindest of the Clinton Sheeple would believe this is a victory.

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I am sorry to hear about the situation you are involved in but I think you may be barking up the wrong tree. Hillary just talks about issues - she does not actually do anything.

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Tons of western aid disappear in Albania without trace.

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ROME, April 7 (Itar-Tass) via NewsEdge Corporation - Tons of humanitarian aid, which Western countries send for the Kosovo refugees, are disappearing in Albania without a trace, often becoming a booty of local criminal groups, representatives from Italian charity organisations said here on Wednesday after visiting the region. Blankets, tinned food and bottles with drinking water, which have failed to reach their destination, could have made up a modern "Tower of Babel", a monument to criminal negligence and mismanagement, they told Itar-Tass.

Some batches of humanitarian aid disappear without a trace, they said. Last weekend, for example, 12,000 mattresses and 18,000 tons of street clothes from Austria, went missing. Then, almost 300 boxes with medicines also disappeared without a trace.

On the whole, the efficiency of humanitarian shipments for Kosovo Albanians are estimated by representatives of charity organisations as some 30 percent. Many cargoes, designed for a free distribution among the refugees, end up in the hands of criminal groups, which sell them to buy arms.

The bureaucratic Albanian system is also to blame for that. As a result of uncoordinated steps taken by authorities at different levels, the batches are piled up in storehouses or seek their destination for weeks.

Cases have been registered when the already arrived boxes with foodstuffs and medicines were not allowed to be opened as had no accompanying "appropriate documents".

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CLINTON AVOIDS WORD 'RAPE' IN KOSOVO CONFLICT

** Exclusive **

Still reeling from the rape charge made recently by an Arkansas woman on national television, the White House has carefully constructed a strategy where President Clinton does not publicly utter the term rape during the Kosovo conflict.

The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that descriptions of rape in Yugoslavia have been handed off to other administration officials in order to deflect any lingering questions on the Juanita Broaddrick controversy surrounding Bill Clinton.

"The president has been very careful not to use the word rape," says one insider. "But his surrogates have taken up the slack."

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright last week on CBS' FACE THE NATION talked up "various rapes". Her spokesman, Rubinamanpour, at a recent press conference described how "women were being raped." Today, the White House's Joe Lockhart got specific and used the word "rape" during his daily briefing.

But the president himself continues to carefully avoid publicly charging Serbian forces with rape -- a charge he has used to sway public sentiment in previous military conflicts.

"With Broaddrick's charges yesterday's news, there's really no need for him to raise the specter of rape at this point," notes one strategist. "It would be foolish."

The First Lady has also tiptoed around the word rape when describing Serbian atrocities.

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Message: Amateur Hour…Haunted By Ghosts (Cal Thomas)

Washington Times
April 7, 1999 Cal Thomas

The situation in the Balkans isn't like Vietnam, we're told. Sure. And the situation when we first began sliding into Vietnam was different from the disastrous French experience in Indochina. The French warned us not to go there. We didn't listen, we're not listening still. History can teach, but only if students are willing to learn.

In late 1961, President John Kennedy dispatched a small group to Vietnam. He told Gen. Maxwell Taylor, Gen. Edward Lansdale and aide Walt Rostow, "Bear in mind that the initial responsibility for the effective maintenance of the independence of South Vietnam rests with the people and government of that country."

But Kennedy didn't take his own advice. While telling The New York Times that he remained "strongly opposed to the dispatch of American combat troops to South Vietnam," his written instructions to Taylor, as recounted in Richard Reeves' book, "President Kennedy: Profile of Power," were different: "As part of your appraisal, I should like you to evaluate what could be accomplished by the introduction of SEATO or United States forces into South Vietnam, determining the role, composition and probable disposition of such forces."

Kennedy, like Lyndon Johnson after him, and Bill Clinton now, had an objective, but it was the wrong objective and the policies were also wrong, seeming to be made up as they went along. Those more than 55,000 names on the Vietnam War Memorial are testimony to the folly of wrong goals backed up by bad policies.

Clinton says the purpose of the NATO bombing is to stop the ethnic cleansing efforts of Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic. But the displacement of hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians from Kosovo is virtually complete. Now Clinton says he wants to drive out Milosevic's forces so the Kosovars can return home. To what, more death and destruction? Such a goal will require a permanent occupying force, as has existed in Korea for more than 50 years. Otherwise, the parties will resume their warfare as they have done for hundreds of years. The president says he wants to "end" evil in the region. He might as well declare war on original sin.

According to press reports, the Joint Chiefs advised President Clinton that a bombing campaign would not stop ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and could end up rallying Serbs around Milosevic, which is precisely what is happening. The bombing of Belgrade has inflamed more than buildings. In addition to Yugoslav citizens, the Russians are making noises about ending the arms embargo against the Serbs. U.S.-Russian relations are taking a beating at a time when the stability of the Russian government and the nuclear weapons under its control has never been more tenuous.

The CIA also warned the president, according to U.S. News & World Report and The Washington Post, that bombing would lead Serbian forces to step up their ethnic cleansing. The president and his top aides decided to proceed.

Clinton knows he can't afford large numbers of body bags because of his own failure to serve in the Vietnam War era and his immoral conduct in the White House. He'll take the first opportunity to declare victory and pull out, leaving others to pick up the pieces. Will Clinton follow his hero, Kennedy, and Kennedy's successor, Johnson, and send large numbers of ground forces into Kosovo? He might, but it's not like him. He probably knows what Kennedy told Roger Hilsman, the chief of the State Department's intelligence bureau, as recounted by Richard Reeves: "[The military wants] a force of American troops [in South Vietnam]. They say it's necessary to restore confidence and maintain morale. But it will be just like Berlin. The troops will march in; the bands will play; the crowds will cheer; and in four days everyone will have forgotten. Then we will be told we have to send in more troops. It's like taking a drink. The effect wears off, and you have to take another."

Nothing has changed since Georg Hegel observed in 1821: "What experience and history teach is this -- that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted upon principles deduced from it."

Cal Thomas is a nationally syndicated columnist.

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Message: Juanita Brodderick!! Who even remembers that name or cares given the recent development in the Balkans?

What's all this talk of the "R" word for anyway? Aren't Serbian men know for their aggresive dating rituals? If you don't refocus your perspective, well, Milosevic will have a political out saying "This whole mess is about sex"

Stop thinking about sex, you obsessed prude, and focus on Ken Starr Milosvic, willya!

Dang!

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Message: Amateur Hour…Haunted By Ghosts (Harry Summers)

Washington Times
April 7, 1999 Harry Summers

"So you don't bluff with a gun," the old MP corporal told me half a century ago. I'd just congratulated him for quelling a street riot outside my guard post in Korea; he hadn't even removed his weapon from its holster. "When I draw my gun," he added, "I'm going to kill someone."

Many years later, I found he was unknowingly repeating a basic tenet of foreign and military policy. Lord Palmerson, British prime minister at the height of empire, was another who never bluffed with force. When he sent military forces in harm's way, he had already made the decision to commit them to battle -- though in most cases, it turned out, deployment alone was sufficient to cow his adversary into submission.

That tenet was forgotten during the Vietnam War, where civilian and military bureaucrats in the Pentagon fell under the sway of the "limited war" academic theorists, who preached that military forces were not for fighting, but for bluffing, for sending signals to the enemy.

But the signal these play soldiers were sending to North Vietnam was that we were not serious about waging war. And the North Vietnamese, terribly old-fashioned, were clinging to what we dismissed as antiquated notion: that the object of war is victory.

One of the major reactions to our defeat there was a re-emphasis on war-fighting. The civilian-spawned fallacy of counterinsurgency, which had distracted the military from its basic purpose, was discarded for a return to the basic fundamentals of conventional war. This new emphasis was reflected in then-Defense Secretary CasparWeinberger's 1984 rules of engagement: "Once it is clear our troops are required, because our vital interests are at stake, then we must have the firm national resolve to commit every ounce of strength necessary to win the fight to achieve our objectives."

That's exactly what we did in the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf war, and that emphasis on war fighting carried forward into the first Clinton administration. Gen. Colin Powell, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was particularly outspoken on the need to keep the military's focus

on war fighting; then-Defense Secretary William Perry was equally adamant. Opposing the commitment of ground troops to Bosnia, Mr. Perry in November 1994 said, "Ordinarily, the Defense Department will not be involved in humanitarian operations because of the need to focus on its war-fighting missions. We field an army, not a Salvation Army."

Defense Secretary William Cohen sounded the right note when he assumed office in January 1997. "Our force is there to defend American vital interests and important interests," he said, "and not overindulge ourselves in employing them to humanitarian and other types of operations." But those turned out to be empty words, as control of national security policy in Mr. Clinton's second administration shifted from the Pentagon to the State Department. Ironically, it is not the military's war-fighting doctrines, but Madeleine Albright's "peacekeeping" policies -- the 1990s equivalent of Vietnam War "signaling" fallacies -- that took us into war in Kosovo.

That may explain why the war has been amateur hour from the onset. Why has President Clinton been so poorly served by his national security advisers? Surely, someone in the State Department must realize it is insane to risk the survival of NATO, the jewel in the crown of U.S. national security alliances, for the bauble of the Balkans. But that's exactly what we have done. And, surely, the Defense Department must have known, as Gen. Wesley Clark, the NATO commander, is now saying, that airpower could no more be decisive in Kosovo than it was in the Gulf war, in Vietnam, in Korea or in World War II.

And what has happened to basic military planning? As an operations officer at battalion, division, corps and joint staff level, I knew it was axiomatic that contingency, "what if?" drills accompanied all operational plans. But in Kosovo, we seem to be continually surprised by events those drills should have forecast, from the failure of bombing to break enemy will, to the flow of refugees, to the capture of American POWs.

Inquiring why President Lyndon Johnson had been so poorly advised in the Vietnam War, Henry Kissinger found it was his own fault, for "Presidents listen to advisers whose advice they think they need." Whoever the toadies Mr. Clinton has been listening to, he ought to boot them out and start listening to those who know something about war from firsthand experience. His Joint Chiefs of Staff would be a good place to start.

Harry G. Summers Jr., a retired U.S. Army colonel, is a distinguished fellow of the Army War College and a nationally syndicated columnist.

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Russia to send three more warships to Mediterranean

SEVASTOPOL, Ukraine, April 8 (AFP) - Russia by next Monday will send three more warships from its Black Sea Fleet to the Mediterranean to monitor NATO strikes against Yugoslavia, military sources told AFP on Wednesday. "Three warships of the Black Sea Fleet will, either on April 10 or 12, leave for the Mediterranean to collect full and detailed information on the Balkan region," a source in the Black Sea Fleet's press service said.

"We have asked (Turkey) for permission to pass through the Bosphorus on April 12," the source added on condition of anonymity.

"All other Black Sea Fleet warships are on a state of alert and waiting for orders from Moscow," the source said.

A Russian spy ship left this Black Sea port for the Adriatic on April 2 to monitor the deepening Yugoslav crisis.

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UNDEAD

A week after NATO "confirmed" that evil Serb death squads had executed Albanian leaders and intellectuals in Kosovo, some of the "dead" -- hold on to your bra straps, Madame Albright -- are showing up alive!

Multiple reports hitting in Thursday newspapers follow the bouncing bombs and the propaganda war being fought by NATO and the Serbs at the expense of a true reality.

"I heard of my own death on the radio," Baton Baxhui, editor of Pristina's DAILY TIMES, told reporters in London on Wednesday.

SCRIPPS HOWARD'S Lance Gay goes where CNN and other official outlets won't:

"Last week NATO charged that Serb death squads were operating in Pristina and had executed several prominent Ethnic Albanians, including Albanian leader Ibrahim Rugova, but the day after NATO spokesman British Commander David Wilby, confirmed the deaths and said NATO couldn't determine Rugova's whereabouts, Rugova was shown on Belgrade TV meeting with Yugoslavian President Slobodan Milosevic."

State Department hootie James Rubin acknowledges that he has received and passed on gossip to reporters from the KOSOVO LIBERATION ARMY -- gossip that certain prominent Albanians are dead!

"Mr. Thaci [commander of the KLA] has been quite clear with us that he is hearing reports," Rubin told the press. "He is not saying that these things are facts."

A prayer for the undead.

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Yugoslavia Issues Anti-NATO Stamps

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Message: IOWAHAWK: Boom-Boom Boomers Go Bonkers For Bombs

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08 April, 1999 David Burge, the IowaHawk

San Francisco - Don't look now, but America's lovable Baby Boom generation is back - with the accent on boom!

Fad-happy forty and fifty-somethings have gone gaga for the latest craze sweeping the U.S.A. - ordering military assaults on intransigent nations. In fact, say trend-watchers, red-hot 'Bomb-mania' has created such a stir that fights have broken out at the nation's arsenals as ex-peaceniks battle to obtain the latest in fashionable military hardware.

"It's crazy," said Craig Jensen, manager of 'Chez Boom,' a trendy San Francisco armaments boutique and espresso bar. "You'll see these mild-mannered yuppies elbowing each other to get the latest designer air-to-surface laser guided missiles, like they were Beanie Babies or something. They'll buy ten, twenty at a time - so many they won't fit in the back of their Lincoln Navigators."

The feverish buying at Chez Boom is an increasingly typical sight. In the San Francisco Bay area alone, over two dozen weapons depots and conscription centers have opened in the past six months to service the sixties generation’s newfound insatiable appetite for military entanglements in obscure third-world countries.

Like many trends, 'police action fever' originated on the West Coast, but it is quickly sweeping the rest of baby boom America. In the Big Apple, several posh military boutiques have recently opened in trendy TriBeCa and SoHo. At the ultra hotspot 'Friendly Fire,' the wait to get in can be as long as two hours - assuming you meet the approval of their choosy, camouflage-clad doormen.

For many, however, the wait is well worth it. Friendly Fire offers patrons the unique opportunity to peruse the latest in anti-personnel equipment and to hobnob with boomer celebrities. On one recent night, Susan Estrich and Geraldo Rivera were spotted discussing of the finer points of wiping out guerrilla sniper nests.

While the Baby Boom love affair with foreign military campaigns is a relatively new phenomenon, wacky trend setting is old hat for Americans born 1946-1964. The vast wave of Boomers ushered in youth culture, and they have been the catalyst behind nearly every style trend of the last fifty years.

"In the 1950s, preteen boomers gave us Howdy Doody, Davey Crockett coonskin hats and hula hoops," said social historian Marian Flaherty of San Jose State University. "As young adults in the sixties, boomers 'turned-on' to long hair, psychedelic rock and hallucinogenic drugs. In the seventies, it was disco, cocaine and promiscuous sex. By the eighties it was money, physical fitness and ruthless political power. Indiscriminant bombing is just the next logical step for this adorable, fascinating generation."

Duke University sociologist John Juravic said nostalgia plays a big part in the new foreign invasion craze. "Many of these boomers have fond childhood memories of playing war and torturing green plastic army men in the womb-like safety of their suburban backyards. For some reason, they lost that enthusiasm in the 1960s and 70s. Commanding air strikes and ordering in waves of ground troops is simply the Baby Boom's way of reconnecting with the innocence of their past."

Psychologist Nathan Glickmann of Northwestern University sees something deeper, darker - even Freudian - in the surging militarism of former sixties peaceniks. "During the Viet Nam era, many of these individuals were unable to experience the adrenaline-pumping arousal of armed military conflict. This led to a suppressed, latent desire for risk and danger. How do they resolve this? By committing thousands of American boys to horrific foreign quagmires. Everything about it is exciting, sexy, strangely arousing."

UCLA psychologist Michael Weinegar said some intergenerational one-upmanship may be at work. "The baby boom's parents - the World War II generation - has been stealing the limelight lately, what with 'Saving Private Ryan,' 'Thin Red Line,' and 'The Greatest Generation.' Naturally, boomers have grown resentful of the attention and praise heaped on their parents, and want to create a legacy all their own. You know - 'Oh, yeah? We can save the world, too,' and all that."

"Everybody wants to prove himself to his parents - 'show up the old man,' so to speak," added Weinegar. "It's only fitting that boomers want to get fresh-faced American servicemen stuck in bloody foreign civil wars."

Noted New York trend guru Faith Popcorn sees the 'bombs-away' mania as a subtle pendulum swing in baby boom cultural mores. "In the sixties, the boomer generation was connected, organic, expressive, proactive. In the eighties boomers led the 'cocooning' trend, as America returned to the safety of hearth and home. In this new boomer bombing bloodlust, I sense they are ready to return to their proactive ways."

Sensing the trend, marketers have scrambled to cater to boomers' growing militarism. Popular Seattle munitions boutique 'Starbangs' plans a nationwide expansion. Land's End and Levis have unveiled new military-inspired khaki collections to further feed the war fantasies of ex-hippies. In a nod to changing body types, Levi's new 'Generalissimo' brand promises a "relaxed fit" to accommodate the gigantic, pasty butts favored by many baby boomers.

Whatever the psychological reasons behind the 'un-dove-ing' of the sixties generation, military mania received a big boost in 1996 when baby boom President Bill Clinton opened the new 'Commander-In-Chief Fantasy Camp.'

"We were desperate for campaign cash, and the Lincoln Bedroom was booked until election," recalled former presidential advisor Dick Morris. "Even the Chinese were tapped out. Then we noticed that major league baseball teams were doing a brisk business with their fantasy camps, offering aging baby boomers the chance to play against their childhood heroes. Then it just clicked - why not give campaign donors the chance to run a real big-league military invasion?"

The idea was an instant hit, raising over $17 million for the Clinton-Gore campaign and attracting dozens of celebrity 'junior generals.' First year attendees included such one-time peaceniks as Barbra Streisand, Robin Williams, Rob Reiner and Li Zhongru, Supreme Commander of the Peoples Liberation Army.

Featuring a sumptuous 'mess hall' complete with canapes and hors d'oeuvres, the CIC Fantasy Camp tutored neophyte boomer generals on the fine points of exit strategy, political rationalization and media control. Campers received instruction from administration heavyweights including Madeleine Albright and Sandy Berger.

After an intense two-day training period, campers were allowed to plan and execute an American military invasion of Sierra Leone on the West Coast of Africa. Meeting token resistance, American marines were able to topple the government of strongman Samuel Ngwesi while sustaining only modest casualties.

"What a rush," said Jane Fonda, wife of CNN president Ted Turner and one-time peace activist. "I feel really empowered by this, and I was able to bond with many of my friends from the anti-war movement. Plus, Ted got record ratings on CNN for the cable sweeps period."

Word soon spread, and the White House was fast inundated with calls from wealthy former war protesters, clamoring for their chance to liberate a small foreign country using U.S. military might. To satisfy the demand, administration officials organized a 'time-share' system that allowed thousands of baby boom bomb enthusiasts to become weekend warriors.

Gary Daum, a 51 - year old Sausalito, California software executive, is typical of the new bomb-happy ex-hippie. He and his team of boomer generals gather each Tuesday night for a wine tasting and to plan the liberation of Sri Lanka.

"It's kind of weird," said Daum. "Back in the 60's I thought bombs were hopelessly square, something my dad was into like Mitch Miller music or crew cuts or short sleeve shirts with ties. In fact, I thought the military was so dorky, when I got drafted in '69 I ran screaming like a little girl all the way to Vancouver."

Linda Everson, 49, a senior advisor on Daum's military team, agreed. "We all grow up, I suppose. It's embarrassing now, but I wore those crazy bellbottoms and attended all the anti-war rallies at Golden Gate Park. Now I appreciate the classics - cigars, swing music, and aerial bombardment. It almost makes me feel bad about the time I threw pig blood on those returning POWs."

After he returned from Canada in 1978, Daum said the idea of attacking far-off countries slowly grew on him. "For some reason, the older I got, the more comfortable I found myself with the idea of sending American troops and munitions to hell holes on the other side of the globe."

While he amassed his fortune in software, Daum vowed that one day he would get his dream war. When a long-time friend offered him a timeshare in the Sri Lankan conflict, Daum jumped at the chance.

"It's just perfect," said Daum. "Exotic locale, ethnic hatreds, several rebel factions, rugged terrain. I like nothing better than a real challenge. We've decided the situation calls for a gradually escalated bombing campaign."

Los Angeles lawyer and former sixties political activist Tom McIntire, 52, said nothing can compare with the thrill of commanding your own military machine.

"You name it, I've done it all," said McIntire, a recent graduate of the CIC Fantasy Camp. "Video games, paintball, Tae-bo, Milton Bradley's Risk. Let me tell you, even the best PC war sims are borefests compared to ordering in an honest-to-God incendiary bomb attack."

A self confessed "war nut," McIntire hosts a weekly party for his eight-man national security team. He recently converted the media room of his Brentwood estate to a fully equipped strategic command center, complete with a communication center, briefing room and a giant table with a back-lit map of the world.

McIntire said commanding U.S. military troops is the fulfillment of a life-long dream.

"The military life is in my blood, I suppose," said McIntire. "I guess it goes back to the time I planned the takeover the dean's office in '69. Even when I would stuff daisies in the end of National Guard rifles, I couldn't help admiring their impressive muzzle design."

McIntire and his team have spent the better part of the past year running the U.S. military effort in Tajikistan. The mountainous central Asian nation has been the site of a complicated multi-faction battle between Islamic fundamentalists, former communist apparatchiks and Russian drug lords.

Like Daum, McIntire says he wanted the Asian war theater because of the challenge. "Tajikistan is no place for greenhorns. I guess some of these guys have crude biological and nuclear devices."

So far, the McIntire team, which has been supporting a splinter faction of the Islamic fundamentalists, has met with only modest success. Like Daum and most other graduates of the CIC Fantasy Camp, McIntire chose a gradually escalated aerial campaign. The January loss of an F-15 led McIntire to step up the pace of the bombing, resulting in the inadvertent razing of a civilian village.

"Unfortunately, we had to destroy that village in order to save it," said McIntire of the event. The village bombing also had the unintended consequence of turning the Islamic rebels against McIntire’s troops.

On Thursday night, McIntire gathered with his team to monitor the latest news from the bombing campaign. It is not good.

"Two fighter escorts down in Kubali province," announced Jeff Gerbering, McIntire's communications chief and former roadie for the Grateful Dead.

"Damn! I know what this means," said McIntire. His worst fears were confirmed with the ring of his cell phone. It was Jack Blevins, McIntire's Brentwood neighbor and commander of the American forces backing the Russian drug lords. For the third week in a row, Blevins has called to gloat on his team's victory.

"Hardy har har, Jack," said McIntire, attempting to deflect Blevins' gleeful taunts. McIntire's team looked down at their feet as their Commander-In-Chief suffered the verbal ribbing.

"Sure Jack. But maybe you won't be laughing so hard when you see our ground offensive," said McIntire, slamming the cell phone against the table in disgust. In his rage, McIntire revealed his team's secret plan to take Tajikistan by land, using a detail of marines from Camp LeJeune, North Carolina.

With the secret out, the offensive must begin tonight. McIntire departed for LAX to board a red-eye flight to North Carolina to address his troops.

"It's the least I can do," said McIntire. "The boys need a morale boost, and what better way to get it than pep talk from ol' Ironsides?" McIntire was given the nickname 'Ironsides' at the CIC Fantasy Camp.

"Besides, the wife has been all over my case lately," added McIntire. "This war stuff usually keeps her quiet."

Copyright 1999 David Burge. Email IowaHawk_98@yahoo.com

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Albright Blamed for Kosovo Washington players rush to distance themselves from Balkan policy. But the buck stops with the President

Washington might need a scapegoat for its Kosovo misadventure, and right now Madeleine Albright is the leading candidate. A parade of unnamed diplomatic and military sources has skewered the secretary of state in the Washington Post as a rampant hawk who picked an ill-conceived fight with Slobodan Milosevic. Albright defended herself on CNN Wednesday night against charges that her poor judgment of Milosevic's resolve was responsible for the Kosovo campaign, saying "it was essential for us not to stand by and watch what Milosevic was planning to do."

"With the Kosovo campaign going badly, there's bound to be some finger-pointing," says TIME correspondent Douglas Waller. Albright was responsible for the strategy of bombing Milosevic into signing the Rambouillet peace accord, which critics now say left Milosevic no plausible means of backing down without appearing domestically to have surrendered the Serbs' crown jewels. She may well be the Cabinet's resident hawk, but to hold Albright personally responsible is disingenuous. "The responsibility is shared by the National Security Adviser, the Joint Chiefs and the CIA," says TIME U.N. correspondent William Dowell. "But ultimately, the buck stops with the President. The impeachment scandal distracted the White House at a critical moment in the buildup of this crisis. Then the President's domestic political concerns led him to minimize the risk of going to war by declaring at the outset that ground troops weren't an option. That may have made it unwinnable." Madeleine Albright certainly had a hand in shaping the problem, but so, it would seem, did Monica Lewinsky.

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Only weeks after seemingly taking credit for inventing the Internet, the veep suffers more embarrassment when, just before launching, his Campaign 2000 web site is found to be soliciting children's names and e-mail addresses, which will soon be illegal according to a law that Gore had also claimed to have championed.

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NATO may be pounding Belgrade and Serb armor on the ground in Kosovo, but President Milosevic is shifting the theater of battle to the negotiating table. NATO dismissed Milosevic's unilateral Easter cease-fire as meaningless, but that initiative has forced the alliance to begin defining its own terms for a settlement. The alliance on Wednesday insisted that Milosevic withdraw his forces from Kosovo, allow the return of refugees and the introduction of an international security force to Kosovo, and accept a political solution based on the Rambouillet principles. Washington also enlisted Moscow's help in the search for peace, with Vice President Gore phoning Prime Minister Primakov to encourage Russia's mediation efforts.

NATO has failed thus far to impose its will on the battlefield, and alliance officials now concede privately that there's little chance of enforcing the full Rambouillet agreement. "Milosevic's actions over the past two weeks have changed the facts on the ground in Kosovo," says TIME Pentagon correspondent Mark Thompson. "Reversing Milosevic's facts would require a massive ground invasion to capture the territory from the Serbs, and NATO's a lot less united on that idea than it is on the current bombing campaign." Belgrade's peace offensive will increase the pressure on NATO to find a political settlement -- which would likely amount to less than what the alliance has been fighting for. "NATO insists on having forces inside Kosovo to protect returning refugees in some form of international protectorate, but the Serbs are unlikely to willingly give up those parts of Kosovo they consider sacred," says Thompson. "That suggests things may be moving toward some form of partition solution." If NATO isn't able to send in ground troops to engage the Serbs, it will be up to the diplomats to salvage what they can.

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NATO GROUND TROOPS MAY FACE CHEMICAL WARFARE IN KOSOVO; SERBS OPERATING 4 PLANTS, SAYS FEDERATION

Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic may be planning to use or threatening to use, as a last resort, chemical weapons in Kosovo or in greater Serbia, especially if NATO ground troops enter the conflict, according to information made available in Washington on Thursday afternoon.

The Federation of American Scientists has confirmed that there are four known Chemical Warfare facilities operating in the former Yugoslavia, specifically in Serbia. The four known facilities currently involved in the research, production, and storage of chemical warfare agents in the Serbia are: Prva Iskra in Baric, Serbia; Miloje Blagojevic in Lucani, near Casak, Serbia; Milojie Zakic and Merima in Krusevic, Serbia; and the Military Technical Institute in Potoci near Mostar.

The chemical weapons concern has gone unreported in the press.

Chemical Warfare may be the only "trump card" Milosevic has to even the odds in an asymmetrical ground war with NATO.

The development of chemical agents and weapons in the former Yugoslavia began in the late 1960s. According to a public document, "Yugoslav Army Involvement With Chemical Weapons," prepared by the Yugoslav Federal President's office in September 1991, thousand of rockets for the 262mm multiple rocket launcher system, were produced with chemical weapons warheads filled with phosgene and BZ.

Manufacturing was slowed after the dissolution of Yugoslavia, according to information made public on Thursday, but stockpiles which are in control of Milosevic have remained viable and have not been destroyed.

The U.S. State Department refused immediate comment.

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I am on the side TRUTH. I am not for Clinton's dirty little unwinable war. The war in Kosovo is a civil war and neither of the sides are angels - or worthy of our support. I hope you are not saying I should partake in the dissemination of propaganda to support "our" side. BTW - This is Clinton's war, not of the United States of America. Clinton took it on himself to turn over parts of our military to the command from a foreign (Marxist) leader. The US is not at war because to wage war the Congress must declare war (the President can not - even thought he basically and unconstitutionally just did). Let's put it this way: I am not on Clinton's side - I am on the side of the TRUE and truthful interests of the United State of America. It is time for America to rise up and say no to Clinton's Legacy War. How many innocent civilians need to die to build Clinton a new legacy?

My advice to all - Be on the side of TRUTH.

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Message: I don't know how anybody can think we are winning in Kosovo or how a new world order is emerging. We are causing the death of thousands (or at least accelerating it) and thats supposed to be a good thing? Now NATO is officially changing its mission from protecting its members nations to world policeman? What the hell is going on?? This is BS! Does anybody know where Hillary is? Last I saw, she was riding camels. When is she getting back? She needs to just go ahead and dump Bill and run for President instead. Its totally obvious that everything goes to heck when she is not around. Geraldo showed video footage of Susan in a miniskirt with cuffs and legirons on. Man is she hot when she has to walk like that! Anyway, I hate Geraldo because he is pretty perverted. He insulted Barbara Walters by saying he would "love to get a hold of her rack". I hope someone starts putting more Susan and Julie pictures in this forum.

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My ratings are up,
Everyone's forgotten about whats-her-name and the "R" word,
One poll out says Americans favored using ground forces by 73%. (Interestingly enough, that was about the same percentage that backed me during the worst of my times with Ken Starr),
and Madeline Albright seems to be taking the flak for those "rough spots" in operation Allied Forces. Everyone say it -- "ALLIED FORCES" Don't it sound just great. Ahhhhh!

Spank my ass and call me "Cindy", the system really works!

One last comment, everyone! I'd like to see a bit more love in this room! Stop with all the negative vibes and give your neighbor a big cyber-hug!

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Message: BELGRADE, April 8 — Cypriot envoy Spyros Kyprianou arrived in Belgrade Thursday to try to secure the release of three captured U.S. soldiers, but a source close to Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic said the three would not be released. Kyprianou said that NATO's airstrikes overnight had complicated matters.

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Thursday April 8, 2:43 PM (EST)

Russia will supply arms to Belgrade if war goes on - Duma.


MOSCOW, April 8 (Itar-Tass) - State Duma speaker Gennady Seleznyov said on Thursday Moscow will have to provide military assistance and support to Yugoslavia if peace initiatives by Moscow and Belgrade are not listened to.

Seleznyov was speaking at a briefing after his visit to Belgrade where he had held talks with Yugoslav leaders.

"The Yugoslav army is equipped with Soviet and Russian weaponry, and, since we supply it, we must continue to keep it in normal combat shape," he said.

In his view, if Yugoslavia had modern air defense system, "NATO would never have poked its nose there."

However, he added that military supplies to Yugoslavia require careful consideration. "I would very much like us to be able to spell out to NATO: do not push us into providing military help to Yugoslavia," he stated.

Russia will seek peaceful negotiations between the parties, it does not want to be drawn into the war, but if escalation continues, it will have to do it, according to the speaker.

He also stated that Russia will never let Yugoslavia be conquered. Americans should know that "Serbs will fight to the last man which we saw ourselves." "No military blackmail will break them, on the contrary, it will evoke more anger and a desire for revenge, Seleznyov said, noting that if NATO begins land operations, "a sea of blood will be shed."

Commenting on the draft resolutions over the situation in Yugoslavia, which the Duma intends to consider on Friday, Seleznyov said he would call upon lawmakers "not to hurry with these resolutions, because resolutions do not tend to improve the situation.

It is his opinion that the Federal Assembly is doing important political work in settling the Yugoslav conflict.

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Message: The White House today announced the formation of the KOSOVO QUEERS, a brigade of U.S. gays-in-the-military volunteering to fight in Kosovo. The QUEERS brigade will be led by Hillary Clinton, First Lady/Lesbian, who seeks atonement for almost getting Bill impeached because she didn't give him any and caused him to have to deploy the Presidential Penis elsewhere. As A QUEERS recruiting bonus, Hillary has modified the Geneva Conference prisoner-of-war regulations with a new gay rights rule, "You capture 'em, you cornhole 'em". However, both Bill and Hillary, as Commanders-in-Chief, reserve the right to pull rank and get first crack. Also, President Clinton announced that henceforth all of Yugoslovia will be designated an official "NO FLY ZONE", meaning that Serbian trouser zippers will be forceable removed. White House advisors are optimistic now that there won't be any hippie anti-war demonstrators (like Clinton was for Vietnam) outside the White House chanting their "ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, WE DON'T WANT YOUR FUCKING WAR" (yes, that is a direct quote), since most of these demonstrators were gay or bilateral anyhow, and now, as KOSOVO QUEERS, they can enjoy doing their own fucking war. God bless Bill and Hillary, now we can be proud to be Americans again.

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