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September 20, 2002, 9:00 a.m.
Revenge and Competition
Why the Palestinians keep terrorizing.

By Gerald M. Steinberg

ISRAEL — Israeli analysts and officials knew that the six weeks of relative quiet between bombings was never more than a temporary lull. Although the security operations have severely curtailed the Palestinian capability to launch terror operations, explosives stockpiles imported in the past decade have not all been uncovered, and suicide bombers remain at large. A combination of very detailed intelligence and good luck prevented a number of attacks, including mega-bombings on their way towards Israeli cities. However, to mark the anniversary of the beginning of the campaign of terror two years ago, a wave of suicide/homicide attacks was expected.

At the same time, an increasing number of Palestinians finally recognize that Arafat's campaign of violence has been entirely counterproductive. Instead of enjoying the end to 50 years of violence based on a negotiated compromise, the decision to pursue terrorism destroyed the Oslo process and Palestinian credibility.

Around the world, sympathy for Palestinian victimization is slowly evaporating. As the details of the history of hatred and violence are reexamined, the grand myths blaming the violence on "occupation" and "settlements" are unraveling. The Palestinian political and diplomatic position has been set back by at least 20 years, and the primary association with terrorism and hatred has returned. Following the American lead (albeit reluctantly, as always) the international emphasis is now on regime change and replacing Arafat, and the pressure on Israel has been reduced.

The foundations of economic cooperation have also been destroyed, and as a result, the Palestinians are poorer than ever and isolated in their cities and villages. Without any hope for a serious negotiated settlement, Israelis are turning their energies towards the construction of a barrier to separate the populations and reduce their vulnerability further. Contrary to expectations, the Israeli public did not buckle under the wave of attacks, and has emerged as strong and determined as ever. As in the U.S. after September 11, the brutality of these murders has reinforced the sense of national purpose and resolve. As a result, Palestinians who examine their situation realistically have started to recognize that regardless of the level of terrorism that Israel might face, the outcome will not change. This realization led members of the Palestinian legislature to challenge Arafat's leadership, marking a major departure in the Palestinian Authority and in the wider Arab world. In addition, some leaders in the Fatah and Tanzim groups also understand that their situation will only grow worse with more terror attacks. However, unless they are willing to take the risks necessary to control not only Hamas and Islamic Jihad, but their own former supporters, the agreement between them to end attacks in Israeli cities will have little impact.

In this atmosphere, the main sources of continuing terror attacks are emotional and irrational demands for revenge and competition for leadership and power. The vengeance resulting from deep hatred and anger cannot be eliminated through negotiated agreements, but requires intensive security measures to destroy the explosives and unravel all of the terror networks. Arafat has never moved in this direction, and the competition between Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other militias is likely to grow until all these groups are dismantled by Israeli security.

The ritual speeches and formal statements issued by Arafat and other PA officials after each terror attack reflect the continuing double game. Discussions of a temporary ceasefire are only designed to legitimize continuing attacks against "military targets" (in the Palestinian code, meaning all Israelis), while providing immunity to the terrorists.

As a result of all these factors, the Israeli security forces will intensify measures to destroy the remaining elements of the terrorist networks, including those portions that are located within the Israeli Arab cities and villages. In addition, the process of disengagement from the Palestinian population will be accelerated through the construction of barriers and other mechanisms. Rational Palestinians leaders who understand the futility of terrorism are likely to become more active, if for no other reason that the welfare of their own people. The anger and demands for revenge will remain until a generation of Palestinians are educated without deep hatred and incitement.

— Gerald Steinberg teaches politics and heads the Program on Conflict Management and Diplomacy at Bar Ilan University in Israel.

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EDITORIAL: Bring Arafat to his knees

Sep. 19, 2002

For the second time in less than 24 hours, Israel yesterday was struck by a Palestinian suicide bomber intent on killing as many Jews as possible.

Just a day before the onset of the joyous Jewish festival of Succot, a terrorist boarded a No. 4 Dan bus in front of the Tel Aviv Great Synagogue on Rehov Allenby carrying a large bag packed with explosives.

When the bomb went off, the blast could be heard throughout the busy downtown area, shattering the afternoon bustle and sending a chilling reminder to all Israelis that the war on terrorism is far from over.
Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad were quick to claim responsibility for the bus bombing, which left five Israelis dead and 74 wounded, included one in critical condition who is now fighting for life. A visibly stunned Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer visited the site of the attack, and appeared overwhelmed by the carnage around him. Even rescue workers hardened by the experience of the past two years described a scene of unspeakable horror, with body parts strewn about, and seats on the bus drenched in the victims' blood.

Not surprisingly, the attack elicited the usual responses from the Palestinian side. Speaking with the Associated Press, Hamas spokesman Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi said he welcomed the bombing, asserting that, "The Zionists are paying for the crimes and terrorism of their leaders." The Palestinian Authority issued a laconic statement, which spoke of a general condemnation of the killing of civilians, without specifically denouncing the attack on the bus itself.

Moreover, the statement failed to call for an end to all terrorist attacks against Israelis, and merely bemoaned the fact that such incidents give "Sharon's government and his occupation army the pretext to continue killing, to continue the siege and to continue settlement activities." That hardly qualifies as a ringing denunciation of terror.

More important, though, is how the government reacts. Last night, for the first time since the suicide bombing at the Park Hotel in Netanya on Pessah eve, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon convened a special session of the full cabinet to discuss the security situation and Israel's response. With the meeting in full swing, the IDF sent tanks and troops to surround Yasser Arafat's offices in Ramallah, effectively isolating him and some 20 top terrorists who have sought refuge in his compound .

Though Sharon insisted to his ministers that all discussions and decisions remain secret, the media were quick to suggest that a number of measures were under consideration, including increased military pressure, greater diplomatic isolation of the PA, and a tightening of various restrictions on Palestinians that had previously been eased.

If all this is starting to sound vaguely familiar, that is because this is precisely the course of action that the government had been implementing for much of the past half-year. There was plenty of tough talk, and even some tough action, but just when it seemed as if the pressure were beginning to have an effect, Sharon yielded to the pressures at home and abroad and began to loosen the IDF's grip.

Indeed, in recent weeks it seemed as if Sharon were beginning to lean toward reopening the channels of communication with the PA. Israel began transferring funds to the PA which it had previously frozen, a number of high-level meetings were held between Israeli government ministers and Palestinian officials, and the American CIA was allowed to launch a training program for Palestinian security cadets. The military was also pulled back in various places, as Israel sought to implement the "Gaza-Bethlehem first" arrangement. But this approach, too, ultimately failed, as anti-Israel violence and incitement continued apace.

Though various foreign media outlets have been portraying the violence of the past few days as a break in the "lull" that had prevailed for the past six weeks, that is far from being the case. During the month of August, there were 393 Palestinian terror attacks, including shootings, mortar attacks, and roadside bombs. Hence, Sharon's softening over the past several weeks has proved demonstrably unsuccessful.
That leaves but one choice to undertake a sustained, ongoing military campaign with the express goal of compelling the Palestinians to surrender unconditionally. No negotiations, no talk of partial cease-fires or of limiting attacks to certain areas or certain types of Israeli civilians. All that has been tried, and it has failed. Pinpoint military incursions or even month-long protracted operations, such as Operation Defensive Shield, have not done the job either.

Israel must now do what it has thus far refrained from doing it must, once and for all, bring Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority to their knees, and put an end to their terrorist onslaught. Nothing less than a complete Palestinian surrender is necessary, and if the only way to bring that about is through the use of overwhelming military power, then that is what Israel must now do.

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The unrecognized war BY SAUL SINGER

Sep. 19, 2002

Today's "Friday" section leads with what should become a historic document: a roundup of well-known figures attempting to name the current war with the Palestinians at its two-year mark. Here is my own offering the Unrecognized War.

This obviously didactic name takes a cue from what Winston Churchill wanted to call World War II: the Unnecessary War. Churchill's point was that the allies could have easily prevented the war if they had stood up to Hitler while he was rearming, in violation of the Versailles Treaty, instead of sympathizing with German "grievances."

The current war was also unnecessary in an eerily similar manner, in that Palestinian violations of the Oslo Accords were ignored in the same way and anyone who objected was subjected to the same accusation of being "against peace." But the salient characteristic of this war is not that it could have been prevented, but our ambivalence over calling it a war in the first place.

For the first few months of what we are now calling a war, we may recall, the waning Barak and Clinton administrations were still busy sweetening the package offered to the Palestinians at the Camp David summit the previous summer. Even when Ariel Sharon was swept in by a landslide, largely because of public rejection of these months of "negotiating under fire," Yasser Arafat continued to be treated by Israel and the US as more of a lapsed partner than a military rival.

As late as September 2001 the issue here was whether Prime Minister Ariel Sharon would allow Foreign Minister Shimon Peres to meet with Yasser Arafat a potential diplomatic process that had the support of Defense Minister Binyamin Ben Eliezer and the US.

Even after September 11, Arafat was far from out of the picture. It was less than six months ago, in April, when Secretary of State Colin Powell was dispatched to meet with Arafat, presumably because he was still recognized not only as part of the problem, but as part of the solution.

None of this behavior much resembled what we normally call war. In a war opposing forces normally try to deprive the other side of the ability or will to fight back. It has been widely noted that the Palestinians wage war differently, since they mostly skip around Israeli forces and instead target Israeli civilians.

But Israel too has not fought normally, because it has remained well shy of toppling the central authority to which it attributes full responsibility for the war.
No one doubts that Israel has the power to take over whatever territory it wishes and evict Arafat from the area. One can argue the merits of Israel's tactical decision not to do to the PA what the US did to the Taliban, but it was a decision, not a function of the limits of Israeli power. It was a decision, further, that raises the question of whether, even now, Israel is acting as if it is fighting a war.

Though considerably less so, similar questions can be raised about the American "war against terrorism." While the US was not found talking to the Taliban or Saddam Hussein the way Israel was talking to the regime it holds responsible for waging war, there is similar fuzziness both in defining the enemy and in the less than all-out means used to defeat it.

To this, a defender of the Bush Administration might say that a step-by-step approach should not be mistaken for a lack of determination or clear thinking. When Saudi princes are hosted at Bush's ranch it may not look like the US is at war, but there is a method to its meandering. In a war, one may choose to fight on different fronts sequentially, rather than all at once.

Yet, while I find this line of defense largely convincing, there is a pattern here of democracies having trouble matching the rhetoric of war with its full implications when attacked by an enemy that hides behind terrorist proxies. The Palestinian Authority hides (barely) behind Hamas and Islamic Jihad; Iran, Iraq, and Syria hide behind Hizbullah, al-Qaida, and numerous other terrorist groups.

And yet, by this simple, transparent tactic these regimes remained almost completely immune before September 11 and are still not except for Saddam, so far bearing the full brunt of enemy status as would happen in a real war. This is illustrated by how controversial it was when Bush dared label three such nations an "axis of evil" in January.

With that speech, and his historic laying down the gauntlet last week in the United Nations, it seems clear that Bush himself understands that we are at war. What is amazing, however, is how hard he must work at convincing the rest of the free world that this is the case.

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Will the Isrealis take this Bastard (Arafat) out this time? I sure Hope so.

Name:	partof VRWC
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time after time it has been the Israeli government and army causing more bloodshed in palestine than bombers in any jewish part or how jewish can it get when thousands of Palestinians are today forced to the Ariel Sharon "curfews"

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RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Israeli engineers began demolishing part of a building housing Yasser Arafat's offices and lodgings on Friday, and Palestinian officials warned the structure could collapse on their besieged president.

Name:	Muslum HATER
To:	bordertex

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EVERY WHERE THERE ARE MUSLUMS , THERE IS VIOLENCE. ITS TIME WE TALK TO THEM IN A LANGUAGE THEY UNDERSTAND.

GO ISRAEL!! DEFEND YOURSELF FROM THOSE ANIMALS!!!

Name:	Hadassah Madrassa
Re:	Arabs, Persians, Bedouins, etc.

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Lycoprene cures rashbottom!

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What is an Italian? An Italian is an Arab who has discovered the tomato.

Name:	Nicco Necci
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What is an Italian? An Italian is an Arab who has discovered the tomato.

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Don't forget music and wine!

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Quote of the Day

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The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

- Thomas Jefferson

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Record fines in ’96 Democrats’ case

Commission faults participants in foreign fundraising

By Thomas B. Edsall and Edward Walsh

THE WASHINGTON POST

WASHINGTON, Sept 21 — The Federal Election Commission disclosed yesterday it has imposed a record-setting $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources.

THE FEC DOCUMENTS describe Democratic fundraisers who set specific prices for foreign nationals to make illegal campaign contributions in return for meetings with then-President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore. A Democratic finance vice chair, for example, said organizers would have to contribute a total of $100,000 in return for Gore’s appearance at a Buddhist temple in Los Angeles.

Those penalized included the Democratic National Committee, the Clinton-Gore campaign, the Buddhist temple and nearly two dozen people and corporations acting as conduits for illegal contributions. All have agreed to pay, according to the documents.

The total in fines would have been significantly higher except that some of the corporations have folded and others were dummy operations, with no assets, set up as conduits for money from China, Venezuela, Canada and other countries. Foreign individuals and organizations are barred from contributing to federal elections. In some cases, foreigners who would have been subject to fines could not be located and served with papers. In other cases, which sometimes produced minor news coverage, the individuals pleaded guilty in criminal cases and are bankrupt.

The DNC was fined $115,000, the Clinton-Gore campaign $2,000, and the Buddhist Progress Society $120,000. In the conciliation signed by DNC lawyer Joseph Sandler, the party agreed to pay the fine and to “disgorge [another] $128,000” to the U.S. Treasury, representing illegal contributions that were not returned to donors.

In a separate document, the FEC said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents are either “are out of the country and beyond our reach, or corporations that are defunct.”

VARIETY OF ILLEGAL SCHEMES In over 400 pages of documents, the FEC detailed a variety of illegal fundraising schemes in the 1996 Clinton reelection organization. In some respects, the 1996 fundraising efforts by the Clinton White House and DNC were a Democratic counterpart to the Republican Watergate scandals of 1972. Just as Watergate was followed by the campaign finance laws of 1974 and 1976, disclosures of the 1996 activities played a crucial role in prompting Congress to enact the McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill this year. The FEC describes how John Huang, a DNC finance vice-chair in 1996, “set a goal of raising $7 million from the Asian-American community.” This effort included the now-famous luncheon with Gore at the Buddhist temple, as well as a “coffee” at the White House and a “birthday dinner for President Clinton” at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York.

Huang, a central figure in the fundraising controversy, pleaded guilty in 1999 to conspiracy to defraud the FEC. He was sentenced to one year’s probation and fined $10,000. The FEC documents detail several illegal contributions stemming from Huang’s efforts, including: $250,000 from Cheong Am America Inc., a subsidiary of a Korean firm, Ateck Co. “On April 8, 1996, Cheong Am officials met briefly with President Clinton and gave John Huang ... an envelope with a corporate check for $250,000 made out to the DNC,” according to the FEC. The amount represented $50,000 for each of the five company officials who met with Clinton.

Huang received $40,000 from Indonesian nationals Arief and Soroya Wiriadinata that was deposited in the DNC’s federal account in June 1996. Huang accepted $327,500 from Pauline Kanchanalak of Thailand, who attended “a White House ‘coffee’ with President Clinton on June 18, 1996.” The FEC said Kanchanalak “paid a total of $277,500 for the coffee in installments” made out to state parties in order “to satisfy Pauline Kanchanalak’s desire to avoid media attention.” The FEC documents indicate that Huang has agreed to pay a $95,000 fine.

$150,000 FOR CLINTON MEETING

The documents also describe how Robert S. Lee, a California developer, negotiated the price of a meeting between President Clinton and several executives of II Sung Construction, a Korean company. The documents say Lee met Larry Wallace, an Arkansas lawyer with ties to the DNC, to seek the meeting. Wallace told Lee “that he could arrange the meeting at a DNC fundraiser, but a donation would have to be made to the DNC.” Wallace and Lee “agreed on a figure of $150,000.”

In a separate document, the FEC said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions.

The FEC fined Lee $250, noting that the penalty would normally be 200 percent of the violation, or $300,000, but Lee is $850,000 in debt and has already been sentenced to three years probation on a misdemeanor. The FEC documents are rich in detail on the behind-the-scenes world of political fundraising. They describe how Chien Chuen “Johnny” Chung brought 20 guests to a $1,000-per-person Clinton-Gore fundraising dinner in Los Angeles in 1995. Chung tried to pay for the dinner with a check for $25,000, but it was refused by Karen Sternfeld, the campaign’s deputy finance director for Southern California. She told Chung she needed 20 checks of $1,000 each from his guests. The next day, Sternfeld asked Irene Wu, an employee of Chung’s company, about the 20 checks, but was told the guests had scattered and the checks could not be obtained. According to the documents, Sternfeld said the checks did not have to be from the people who attended the dinner, and directed Wu to meet her at a restaurant later that day to deliver the money. The documents said Wu and others then collected 20 checks of $1,000 each from “conduits,” who were promised they would be reimbursed, and Chung later withdrew $20,000 in cash from his bank accounts to repay the conduit contributors.

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Clint Eastwood

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I've had a wonderful life as a man.

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Katherine Hepburn

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I've had a wonderful life as a man.

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I've had a wonderful life as a woman.

Name:	Michael Jackson
Re:	The Black & white of it...

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I've had a wonderful life as a man.

I've had a wonderful life as a woman.

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I've had a hellava life as both!

Name:	Tonto
To:	Wascally Republican

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Every time the Republicans get in trouble economically you guys bring up Clinton like he is still the President of the US.

Sorry but that baloney doesnt work in the next fall election in November.

Vote out the smart Republicans who turn surplus into deficits and dont know how to balance a budget or get people jobs.

Name:	Tonto
To:	Smedley

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Good Job on that toliet paper resloution political cartoon on Forum 706

Name:	Shrink-wrap Hippopottamus
To:	Tonto Noto
Re:	Toadstool Frieze In Black Marble

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Vote out the smart Republicans who turn surplus into deficits and dont know how to balance a budget or get people jobs.

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DemoDroid Alert!

Sorry, 'Droid, but that baloney won't work in the upcoming election.

Name:	Belle Plain College
To:	Bouffant Bettye
Re:	annoying static cling

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WANTED

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Pop up eradicator. (Get Billy Mays while you're at it!)

Name:	Pepe'
To:	The Forum,

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HILLARY IS GREAT!!!!!!

Name:	Kemosabe
To:	Tonto

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Evidently Democrats don't mind big corporations controlling the President as long as he's one of their own.

Name:	Nootrac Rezloushen
Re:	The government IS a corporation

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Good Job on that toliet paper resloution political cartoon on Forum

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Does that toliet paper come from Joliet Mills?

Name:	AAAAHIIIIEEEEEE!
Re:	He's everywhere!

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The facts are now clear! Billy Mays is LVD!!!!!

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raymond burr

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smeddles

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To view a home page, enter a screen name:

Q: Why are the home pages ugly in this 'improved' version? A: Because I'm working on the system. It will look better when I am finished.

Smedley signed up 2000-10-21.

! HAL9000 - Links to News Sources (v 1.7)

Location: Alexandria, Virginia Hi, I may be the only person here who qualifies himself as "utilitarian", which means that I think society should be structured to maximize happiness of the masses. However, I believe that my philosophical view is waaay more aligned with conservative and libertarian views than leftist views as I think that maximizing happiness starts with a broad base of personal freedoms unhindered by unnecessary government intervention. On the other hand, I think that various government programs, including welfare, CAN benefit practically everyone when used as a tool to get people back on their feet and paying their share of taxes. Unfortunately, our government likes to hand out entitlements like PEZ. The Democrats do it because they don't mind spending other people's money to attract votes; the Republicans because they're often too spineless to fight the issues.

Name:	Sul Rost
To:	5th comumn al-quaeda Lawyer lover
Re:	And one was visiting his mommy who wore combat boots

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Lawyer: Man Naively Visited Al Qaeda Camp Ruling on Bail Expected Next Week

By Christine Haughney and Michael Powell Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, September 20, 2002; Page A06

BUFFALO, Sept.19 -- A lawyer for a Lackawanna man described his client today as a loyal American who went to Pakistan seeking religious training and through his own naiveté wound up spendin ...

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More lawyers who should be in prison for dreaming up perjurious excuses for client's AID and COMFORT to
the Enemy."

Anybody know if the shooters were caught that shot employees trying to get into CIA compound 2-3 years back?

How about the shooter in the small gray foreign car that was shooting dope pushers in Washington DC? Or did the

police let him "bag his limit"?

Name:	Semolina Pilcher
To:	Macaroni Jack

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Looky, Paw! That feller's got a haffa dozen wifes a follerin' him around!

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Praise be to Allaah.

The wife’s approval is not a condition for plural marriage, and it is not obligatory for the husband to have the approval of his first wife if he wants to marry a second wife. But it is good manners and kind treatment to approach the issue in such a way as to reduce the pain which women naturally feel in such cases, by smiling at her, greeting her warmly, speaking nicely to her and spending money on her according to his means, in order to gain her approval. Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/204.

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magpie

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earth to whoever thinks they're cute hijacking the forum. screw you and your stupid hijinks. the result is as ugly as your face. a true freedom lover don't need no creepy little twerp on our side so bite my big ass and feast upon it.

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Alfred Krupp

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King Farouk, Bab-O, and the Sixty Special

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I am offered a job in a company with very good benefits. My part is to do research with pig embryos in the company's laboratory. The ultimate objective of my research is to improve the production and genetic quality of pigs (i.e. more pigs with good meat characteristics) to the market for human food consumption. In other words, the source of my salary comes from the consumption of pig meat (pork) which is haram. My question is: Is this money halal and I can take the job, or should I decline it? I apreciate your quick response to give my word. Jazakumu Allahu Khairun

Name:	ghost
Re:	finally, somebody with a non-profit that makes sense!

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Welcome to the web site for the Parisian Asphalt Initiative (PAI), currently located in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The Parisian Asphalt Initiative is a non-profit organization dedicated to raising the money to completely pave the nation of France with blacktop, increasing Europe's parking a thousandfold, encourage the proliferation of American cars, and provide adequate parking space for Euro Disney. We are committed to the elimination of European clown cars world round.

http://www.pave-france.org/

Name:	Benther Dunthat
To:	Those who kill infadels
Re:	http://www.counterpunch.org/bodycount.html

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But the Serbs play dirty!

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Who did the Serbs kill to get US into the fray on the side of KLA (Drug Pushing Socialistic Muslims) later granted assylum
in USA for no apparent reason. Follow the money to lawyers pockets. Follow the rate of drug-related crime escallating. Follow

50,000 new immigrants to poor Missouri which now has to cover up a crime wave to save Gephardt. What did Missouri ever do

to you, Senator Gephardt?

Name:	Red Easily
To:	Tylerite
Re:	Let down by a Palestinian-loving Anti-Semite media ,,,AGAIN.

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Though various foreign media outlets have been portraying the violence of the past few days as a break in the "lull" that had prevailed for the past six weeks, that is far from being the case. During the month of August, there were 393 Palestinian terror attacks, including shootings, mortar attacks, and roadside bombs. Hence, Sharon's softening over the past several weeks has proved demonstrably unsuccessful.

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Our US anti Semitic mass media mentioned very few of these. Arafat and his hoods getting theirs was made to look heavy-handed
and sudden and unprovoked. Shame on the New York Times and others for this "over=looking of Palestinian hostility and terrorism.
May God be with the Israelis until that murderous lived-way-too-long Arafat and his benefactor Saddam are "retired" to much deserved graves
and their sould headed for the unquenchable fires of Hades.

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Mycroft Holmes

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That don't scrub the feces off your breath, crack diver.

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oh oh oh ouch.

Name:	Gephardt
To:	Missouri

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What did Missouri ever do to you, Senator Gephardt?

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Screw you Mizz oo ree! I represent East Saint Louis.

Name:	French Milkmaid
To:	Stable boy

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Upsey Daisy!

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Mimir

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The Hillside Strangler is dead. He should have been garroted years ago.

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Angry Johona!!

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In 2001, after sharing some common experiences in the desert of their home state of Utah, Lowe and (Scott) Free walked away from their established sound as a hard edged industrial/electronica act and began composing and recording in a dance genre called hardtrance. Europe and some parts of the USA were already deep into several forms of trance at that time, but this was hardtrance with a theme - the power and enduring force of The Sun, the desert and the inumerable entities that dwell within it in the cultural memories of so many Indigenous tribal peoples. The project which changed their sound came to be called "The Dance of Johona", named after the Diné (Navajo) Sun God. To make the change complete, they shortened their name from Fervid Torpor to FT.

Name:	Mickey Mouse
To:	Mousekateers

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Is everybody neat?

Name:	Minnie Mouse
To:	Mickey

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Of course we are neat as a pin.

Name:	Independent Voter
To:	Terry McCauliffe
Re:	Terry McCauliffe's earlier remarks

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The American Voters should sue Enron and all the other big shot CEO's that are friendly to the Republican Candidates in 1992,1994,1996,1998,2000.

The Republicans in the US Congress did not investigate their rich buddies who helped the Repbublican Party (swine) get elected so that the CEO's and their friends could rip off the American Workerss 401K's to the tune of 1.5 Trillion Dollars.

The Republican Party is the party for the rich famous and notorious businessmen who are dirty crooks flat out.

Name:	Charles DeGaulle
To:	the cowardly Frenchmen in France

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In 1940 the French surrendered to the Nazi Terrorists.

It took 4 years before the Americans, British, and Cannadiens landed on Normandy, France on June 6, 1944.

Lots of French Jews were rounded up by French Police with the help of the French Vichy and sent to death camps.The Nazis did not do it all alone, they had some Frenchmen who sold out or looked the other way.

Now in Israel, again mad suicide bombers commit attrocites toward civilians in the name of Allah.

The Israelis are just defending themselves.

You French cowards could not fight in WWI in WWII and French Indo China re ...

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Right on Bordertex

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The Republicans and their masters the big corporations got control of the US Congress in 1992.

But somehow they lost to a Democratic President who wasn't one of them.

So what did the Republicans do smear Clinton on everything while the Corporations who elected these puppets (of the the Republicans party)Beginning in 1992 the Republicans seized control of the US Congress; and get one thing straight right now with this right wing creepos who insist on being the doormats for republicans and who bend down on their knees to lick like puppies the evil hand of the extreme right Republican party.

it is not the Democratic Party who has been lazy, it has been that during the Clinton eight year terms when the republican party was in the majority in Congress, not much happened. and fighting against our real President Clinton and the enforcement of the "ban on assault weapons" which was the right thing to do on behalf of law enforcement and civilians but the republican party did not think it was important to ban "cop killer bullets" and fought the Democrtic Party all the way on many issues including the Democratic attempt to raise the minimum wage which just did not happen it seems that when the republicans were in the majority in congress all that did happen was that Corporations got all the loopholes they could get and got away with Chapter 11 with their all their fraud because this is what happens when a Corporation has placed their political puppet in office who is today george walker bush so lets not say the "modern day democrat lazy recipient" and let us agree that if Corporate Industry did not own the republican party, perhaps our environment would have stood a chance but with the Polluters running the show in the Federal Government only ruin can await the ordinary American while the Corporate puppet finds all the time to spark unecessary wars and the funds to fund the lunacy by Israel on Palestine I would appreciate this magpie piece of flesh and bone to remember that there is nothing dumb about being able to post our views with the truth but the truth bothers this darn republicans so much,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that now even Palestine is not safe from George Walker Bush who is the real danger in our Country today when the only lazyiness in our Country is in the reluctance by the republican Congress to find the time to bring to justice the Corporate Fraud in American and

Name:	British-American (oh gee I'm hyphenated)
To:	Sul Rost

Message:
!) More lawyers who should be in prison for dreaming up perjurious excuses for client's AID and COMFORT to the Enemy."

We BBrits penanize lawyers who make frivilous lawsuits, so they ponder before they pounce.
And we have no contingency fees, you mush pay from somewhere. 2) Anybody know if the shooters were caught that shot employees trying to get into CIA compound 2-3 years back?

The two Muslim extremists were captured and deported so they can kill again elsewhere.

3)How about the shooter in the small gray foreign car that was shooting dope pushers in Washington DC? Or did the police let him "bag his limit"? They never caught the small grey sedan sniper. He did stop after six and Mayor Barry

quickly replaced the fallen heroes of the Revolution Against Decency.

*****Speaking of your Mayor Barry, how many persons of color have been mayors of large cities and ruined their budgets

with helping black business, filling all city jobs with blacks, and filling all teacher jobs with blacks? You may speak for
cities you know about but do not necessarily live in.

Name:

thefixfailed

Message:

Democrats Are Fined $243,000 for Fund-Raising Violations

By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr - The New York Times - September 21, 2002

Name:	Lonely Ranger on Silver Pony
To:	Tonto (you loco you tonto!)

In response to:
Every time the Republicans get in trouble economically you guys bring up Clinton like he is still the President of the US. Sorry but that baloney doesnt work in the next fall election in November. Vote out the smart Republicans who turn surplus into deficits and dont know how to balance a budget or get people jobs.

Message:
Strapping a confiscatory highest tax did not hurt the economy while it was booming from Reagan and Bush but once a mild
downcycle from too much illegal immigration and legal immigration set in, the money out became an anchor. As for bashing Mr. Clinscum
er I mean Clinton, if he hadn't done so many crazy things like signing on with the International Criminal Conspiracy of UN, bring up
that squelched arsenic bull sheet (of large threadcount) and signing Totalitarian Executive Orders that #43 had to squash, Bush would
have had more time for the issues.

If smart Republicans are voted out, only dumb ones that assist and fellow travel with the DemocRATS will remain.(Read McCain)

types. Since Republicans have had little say so on spending except going along to get a bone, why hammer them.

The scientists are fast at working cloning spines and will find Senator McCain and others willing to be there for transplants.

Name:	ANGRY JOHONA
To:	SCOTT FREE
Re:	Cultural Voyeur

In response to:
Squinky Whiteboys with cutesey-poo names

Message:
Better limit your little forays into the desert, Scotty. Otherwise, I just may provide your extremely white, Northern European/Scandinavian red-headed ASS with a raging case of malignant melanoma. I've sent many a red-headed, ivory-skinned Euro-Iceboy invader of my domain to an early grave.

Name:	Benther Dunthat
To:	Smedley or whoever is not mute
Re:	Shadow Government with Star Room DNC!

In response to:
Who are the main 49 behind and under Terry (Clinton's Boy) McAlieff? I've scoured the web and all I gat is a DNC Secretary. Who cares who warms McAfee's lap, I want stooges and cronies! Where can I find these imps of deceit and obfuscation?!?!

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Name:	A Face In The Crowd
To:	Pardons for Sale

Message:
Party of the People??!!?? Thanks pal...I just upchucked my lunch.

Name:	pvrwcIII
To:	Undocumented yard worker
Re:	You don't get it , do you?

In response to:
Enronx77 with red flashing ominously

Message:
The Democrats were the helpers and enablers to Enron, Republicans had to ignor them or face the consequences. Since consequences
are only for Republicans and sone throw-away =pardon-later Clinton stooges.

AYYN: Lawyers of Federal Election Commission

If youse guys would prosecute some receivers of ill=given money for not even checking if donors were citizens, maybe those you

let off the hook would not do it again, since they know how and nothing much will happen if they are "debt-ridden".

Name:	Bananas Bordertext
To:	Rightweenies
Re:	Nicotine Laced Breakfast Cereals

In response to:
Sharome is Shaaitan!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scott is the Messiah! Techno is the Gospel! (and the desert is way cool, especially on peyote, ote, ote!!)

Message:
what have we become when we allow this Middle Atlantic crisis to become the suffragette's stage so that they are like bajamarine puppets for our world,,, in their long dresses, lace-up shoes and funny hats with birds attached? Is this some puppet show, where we have a President being abused by a jewish person who is very guilty of massive bloodshed in the Virgin Islands?

Ariel Sharon would do well to remember that the room service charges and credit card purchases he committed in the Virgin Islands are still pending against him and that it is counterproductive to the region of needed peace, when this Atlantean swine decides to destroy buildings in any Virgin Territory which is not on the crustal plate belonging to Atlantis, do you hear me pig Atlantis,,,,,,,,,,,,,that you have to return the freedom to the Virgin women grandmas and children so that they can go to work to make bottomless urns by the tens of thousands and fill them with fuming, heady wines in order to have a social life (for they are very homely) or what is this crap going on that we don't do nothing about it and have to listen through Geraldo and Wolf News and Fox News because CNN don't want to talk about this horror?

???HEY CNN,,,,,,,,HOW COME YOURE NOT PUTTING THIS MIDDLE ATLANTIC CRISIS ON THE NEWS???? HAS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GONE AND BOUGHT YOU OUT WITH THOUSANDS OF URNS OF CHEAP ENRON WINE AGAIN????

It has always been their practice to drag before us the same old story about "Palestine" which is known by the state of California to be someplace in Texas, and we are getting tired of this Crap in Atlantis, our butts are raw and we are out of toilet paper, do you hear me Bush Regime? that it is not going to work,,,,,,,, corncobs are a poor substitute and that you, SIR, are not going to force us into any bidet,,,,,,,and that,,,,,,,we are refusing to be washed when we'd rather be wiped,,,,,,,,not all of us are stupid robots who remain in bidets waiting for terrorists when the Palestinian Government is the biggest terrorists now that Times Square has been purged,,,,if in April of 2001 the Whitehouse knew about potential danger to New York it should have called Mr. Rogers,,,Fred Rogers,,,shaken, not stirred,,,,,,Mr. Bush could do nothing about it, he is but a little monkey,,,,but he thought it would better to see a lot of bananas which is what Bush gets a kick watching or why else does Bush give the bullets and French 88's to the Virgin Islands to kill for sport in Atlantis==?????

Name:	Ricardo Mattress
To:	LROSP

In response to:
Lonely Ranger on Silver Pony

Message:
Call me, or come by anytime! I'm in Ptwanga, right off Sunnyvale Circle near the cul-de-sac. Please!! The horse is no problem.

Name:	Friendly Donor For Reproduction
To:	Bananas Bordertex
Re:	email me on

In response to:
http://www.geocities.com/monicas_dadyo/index.htm

Message:
I like your style, it makes me smile!

Name:

Rolling Thunder

In response to:
Better limit your little forays into the desert, Scotty. Otherwise, I just may provide your extremely white, Northern European/Scandinavian red-headed ASS with a raging case of malignant melanoma. I've sent many a red-headed, ivory-skinned Euro-Iceboy invader of my domain to an early grave.

Message:
Seek anger management.

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Name:	XetRedroB
To:	BorderTex The Mestizo Mullah

In response to:
the republican party did not allow the Democratic Party to present the sensible and common sense prescription drug plan which most americans and senior citizens agree with because by doing this,

Message:
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz You tied the plan into partial birth abortion rights. How many senior citizens require abortions?

Name:	ANGRY JOHONA
To:	Coactus

In response to:
Seek anger management

Message:
Get a life, featherhead wannabe.

Name:	Demz
To:	Chupacabre Bordertex

In response to:
meaning that the major part of mainstream America did not vote for mr. bush precisely because we knew in this imposter would be a dangerous man and so he has proven himself to be when all this pathetic wimp can offer to the massacres in Palestine is the restraint of israel

Message:
How many Americans voted in Tom Daschle as Senate Majority Leader? The title imposter fits him much better.

Name:

ghost

Message:
If Sharon was bloodthirsty this war would be over in 5 hours. Israel has been showing its slowness to anger for the last 50 years.

Name:	Question
To:	All

In response to:
Cute Stuff

Message:
How did Cacabuns know ET was away?

Name:	Whiteman
To:	Boardertex, Racist and Cultural Imperialist
Re:	We ARE pesticides!

In response to:
and who! if not the "wetbacks," to work in the fields filled with pesticides where no white lady or child or man dared to work?

Message:
Pesticides hell, BourbonTex! We EAT THAT STUFF FOR LUNCH and still outlive your sort!

Name:	Reality Czech
To:	Bordernut
Re:	ILLEGAL DEMOCRAT FUNDRAISING FOREIGN INFLUENCE

In response to:
so I would rather be a "wetback" then a *supporter of corrupt political party as so is the republican party* and today the resurrection of hitler has found two bodies in which to ressurrect,,,,,Ariel Sharon and George Walker bush who is behaving worse than ten Hitlers

Message:
Democrats Are Fined $243,000 for Fund-Raising Violations By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr - The New York Times - September 21, 2002 WASHINGTON, Sept. 20 — The Democratic National Committee has agreed to pay civil fines and turn over to the Treasury a total of $243,000 to settle accusations that it took more than $1 million in illegal foreign contributions in 1995 and 1996, according to Federal Election Commission records released today.

The documents also state that the election commission's general counsel found in 1999 that there was "reason to believe" that the People's Republic of China "knowingly and willfully" violated federal election law. But the heavily redacted documents also state that the commission voted unanimously to "take no action at this time" on the general counsel's recommendation.

The documents detail efforts by the Democratic Party and the Clinton-Gore campaign to build their war chest with help from wealthy Asian donors before the 1996 election. In all, the election commission disclosed $719,500 in fines today.

The largest fine, $120,000, was paid by the International Buddhist Progress Society, which operates the Hsi Lai Temple in California, the site of an April 1996 luncheon attended by Vice President Al Gore. {Yeah, the affair that Al Gore didn't know was a fund raiser } The national committee paid a $115,000 fine and agreed to turn over to the Treasury $128,000 it had received in illegal contributions. The Clinton/Gore '96 Primary Committee paid a $2,000 fine, the records also show.

John Huang and Yah Lin Trie, two Democratic fund-raisers who pleaded guilty to violating federal laws, agreed to pay fines respectively of $95,000 and $7,000.

The commission also found "probable cause" to believe that Hogan & Hartson, a Washington law firm, violated election laws in the handling of $50,000 in donations that a client of the firm made to the national committee in summer 1996. Two officials at the firm who were involved in the handling of the donations have agreed to pay a total of $67,500.

Representatives of the national committee and for former President Bill Clinton declined to comment. Officials at Hogan & Hartson did not reply to a phone message.

After the fund-raising scandal broke in late 1996, the Democratic Party returned $3 million in questionable or improper contributions, much of it from money donated or solicited by Mr. Huang or Mr. Trie.

Kent Cooper, a former election commission official who is now at PoliticalMoneyLine.com, which tracks money in politics, said some fines disclosed today appear surprisingly low. The election commission, he said, limited the fines assessed to some people based on their claims that they could not afford to pay more. "Some people will look at this and say the F.E.C. should have fined them more," Mr. Cooper said.

He noted, for example, that the election commission waived fines against a company called Global Resource Management based on the assertions by the company's president about its "present financial circumstances," the documents show.

The election commission found that the company, which was formed in Ohio in 1996 to resolve a "construction-related contractual matter" in Saudi Arabia, decided to make a $100,000 contribution to a national committee fund-raiser in New York on Aug. 18, 1996. The event was also billed as a 50th birthday celebration for Mr. Clinton. The company's officers made the contribution in order to meet with Ray Mabus, the former Mississippi governor and ambassador to Saudi Arabia, who helped plan the event, the election commission found.

But the money used to make the contribution was provided by Sheik Mohammed Oboud Al-Amoudi, a Saudi citizen, who wired $150,000 to the company. The company used this money for the donation "even though its officers had been informed that foreign national contributions are illegal," the election commission found.

Mr. Cooper said the documents provided further evidence of the tactics Democratic operatives used to raise money before the 1996 elections.

"Here, we're dealing with wire transfers and shuffling money to accounts," he said. "What is going on here is warning bells are going off all over the place."

Name:	Iconoclast
Re:	Hussein

Message:
WASHINGTON -- Explaining that he had been "just joshing" in earlier statements, President Saddam Hussein sent the U.N. a message yesterday saying that he would not allow U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq, after all. Hussein said that his original announcement, about allowing U.N. inspectors to have unconditional access to Iraqi weapon installations, had been merely "a bit of fun" and that he had no intention of acceding to U.S. and U.N. demands to disarm. "Psyche!" the Iraqi leader concluded in the brief but playful letter he had hand-delivered to U.N. representatives in Baghdad yesterday.

The White House, which said it expected Hussein's about-face, delivered its own memorandum to the U.N. expressing the country's reaction to the Iraqi leader's flip flop."Told you so, you suckers!" the statement began.

In the Oval Office yesterday afternoon, President George W. Bush advised reporters that he knew all along Saddam was not going to admit the weapons inspectors because he had seen Saddam crossing his fingers behind his back when he made the promise.

"If you want to stay ahead of that wily fox [Hussein], you've got to keep an eye on him," Bush said. "I knew he was only fooling about the inspectors because I spotted his right hand behind his back as he said it. Of course his fingers were crossed. I can't believe the U.N. fell for that old trick."

Bush advised the U.N. Security Council to "stop being so naive." Otherwise, he said, "Saddam's just going to keep bamboozling you. Don't believe him if he claims he'll let weapons inspectors do their job. And, for God's sake, don't lend him a fiver if he says he left his wallet at home."

Bush called Hussein's prank inane and told the Iraqi leader to "grow up."

Hussein responded by criticizing Bush's sense of humor and defending his own actions. "International politics are so bloody boring, sometimes you've got liven things up," said Hussein. "Allowing weapons inspectors? Please! Can't you guys take a joke?"

Name:

Non Sequitor

In response to:
-- Frau Daeubler-Gmelin compared President George W. Bush to Adolph Hitler...

Message:
As a result George W. Bush is elected Chancellor by a landslide.

Name:

Screw The UN

Message:

Name:	Whiteman
To:	Borderattacks

In response to:
and who! if not the "wetbacks," to work in the fields filled with pesticides where no white lady or child or man dared to work? Message

Message:
Look lady, if you don't want the work, that's your business. Any and every job in the U.S.A. that is open is available to any qualified person, of any race, color, or creed. That's the law, and the law has teeth.

Eventually, we will build machines to harvest all the crops, including strawberries, melons, etc. The technology is available now. Unionization of farm workers will soon make it economically feasible to mechanize, rather than deal with farm workers' demands.

Name:	Eggplant
To:	Whiteman
Re:	machines

In response to:
Eventually, we will build machines to harvest all the crops, including strawberries, melons, etc

Message:
You'll never take ME with your bloody machines, Whiteman!!

Name:	General Arafat
To:	Dental Sufferers
Re:	Shards of Peaces

In response to:
Europe and some parts of the USA were already deep into several forms of trance at that time...

Message:
They still are. but there are several organizations dedicated to snapping them out of it hard at work right now...

Name:	Adolph Hitler
To:	Bordertex

In response to:
have been comparing and will continue to compare,,,,,,,,,George Walker Bush and Ariel Sharon to the monster Hitler,,,,,,,,,and its beginning to seem to me that Hitler must have had grave reasons for doing what he did after what I am seeing Israel do to the Palestinian People

Message:
I like your style, you make me smile! We will go out socially and I will exhibit my drawings to you at my private lodgings in Berlin and I will discuss solutions to the Volksproblems and you will be happy! .

Your Adolph

Name:	New York Squeegee King
To:	Bordertex, Cadillac Olmec
Re:	Lou Gehrig ...most dangerous man in the universe!

In response to:
oh come on cattle industry you owe us an explanation that how fat diet produces alzeimers and lou gehrigs disease but who is more dangerous, alzhiemers or george bush? well lets ask ronald reagan who dosent rememeber a thing

Message:
Sounds as if you're going to have to pick your vegetables and eat them too, Bordertex! Grab your seasoned salt and a paring knife and hit the rows! Brain cells are a wastin'!!

Name:	magpie
To:	bordernut

In response to:
the beef fat is killing America and nobody says anything but I will

Message:
ok! let's add beef to the products you and your leftist friends would like to outlaw. no more cigarettes. no more beef burritos. hey stupid! if people want to smoke or eat beef burritos- let em! you are the atypical leftist idiot who wants to snoop into everyones life and make them live the way YOU see fit. screw you and go mow someones lawn.

if poor little pedro gets treated so badly by the evil white norteamericano-the why the hell do they keep coming?

you are a complete lunatic control freak who needs to take a long walk off a short pier.

Name:	22
To:	remember you
Re:	always

In response to:
tell these people I was in lurrvve with you Che****.my maum & dad donny believe me ..still am by the way ...luuuuuuuurrrrrrrrvvee to all ...

Message:
from across the great water!!!!!

Name:	poster boy
To:	stamford crew
Re:	can I have my diploma now!???

In response to:
I,ll settle for a set of wheel's /heels..gone fishing!!!!

Message:
Cliffy sockssssssss

Name:	poster boy...Chels**
To:	****sea

In response to:
Ring/ give me a call if your in the neighbourhood!!cellphone is +447811801210 0r +441616ab-0gtu....love always...p

Message:

Name:	Salvadore Dali
To:	Bordertex

In response to:
I honestly in my heart believe Israel is going way beyond their boundary of legal authority and that it is the duty of the United Nations to stop a rogue country gone insane with the lust to control the world and if Israel thought that by assaulting the headquarters of a legal Palestinian President in the eve of the German Elections would help topple Schroeder I have news for him because Germany is strong when strong leaderships resisting nuclear confrontations decide to avoid war conflicts and I pray to ALLAH that Schroeder wins knowing that regardless of whatever leader in Germany, Russia Ch ...

Message:
A Meso-Islamic Neo-nazi vegetarian. Bordertex, you are a hirsute truffle.

Name:	Smedley
To:	Lord of the Lame

In response to:
Location: Alexandria, Virginia Hi, I may be the only person here who qualifies himself as "utilitarian", which means that I think society should be structured to maximize happiness of the masses.

Message:
Wow, so you uncovered my public message from FR. You must feel absolutely ELATED as if posting it here was of some significance or embarassment to me.

You really are one of the most lame individuals I know.

Name:	Delete
To:	Smedley
Re:	Not enough profanity? Too few insults?

In response to:
which means that I think society should be structured to maximize happiness of the masses.

Message:
That is impossible. "The masses" consist(s) of many individuals, no two of whom have the same definition of "happiness".

Name:

Amercan

In response to:
How many Americans voted in Tom Daschle as Senate Majority Leader?

Message:
How many? Just ONE. Some guy from Vermont named Jeffords.

Name:	Frank Frankly
To:	Magpie
Re:	Maypo en croute

In response to:
if the poor little pedros get treated so badly by the evil white norteamericano-the why the hell do they keep coming?

Message:
Because... unlike Bordertex, THEY ARE NEITHER STUPID NOR LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name:	ANGRY JOHONA
To:	Rolling Thunder

In response to:
A transient localized disturbance of tepid gases

Message:
Never forget that YOU are but a tertiary manifestation of MY power, and a very occasional and insubstantial one, at that.

Name:

Sonny T. Daye

Message:
>A book keeper for a Detroit law firm got fooled by one of those stupid Nigerian scam letters (for some reason I get at least three a day), and now her law firm is out 2.1 million dollars!

Personally, I am really annoyed by those things. I hate spam. And blatantly evil spam designed to rip me off, really offends me. Sometimes I answer these creeps with the following:

"Sorry, I can't help you. I understand my country will be attacking your country soon in secret bombing missions to get terrorists, so it would be foolish of me to expect you to live. Have a nice day."

Nigeria is another Islamic country (famed for it's stoning deaths of adulterous women). The largest part of it's GNP are these scam letters. Which shows you much Islam's laws against deception are so religiously followed there.

Name:	Oribi
To:	Sonny T. Daye
Re:	The Oman-Ghana Fund, etc. etc.

In response to:
A book keeper for a Detroit law firm got fooled by one of those stupid Nigerian scam letters (for some reason I get at least three a day), and now her law firm is out 2.1 million dollars

Message:
"Fooled"is hardly the word. You have to be greedy enough to participate in what is obviously a scam of some sort. They offer you someone else's money, and if you are foolish enough to surrender privileged information to them, they will take yours, and they likely figure you would do the same to them, except they are too smart for you.

Name:	Goat Master
To:	Sonny T Daye

In response to:
Blatant Scams!

Message:
I think the scam stuff is hilarious. I once got a hand-written letter from Nigeria. They thought I was a corporate officer, and needed my corporate bank account number in order to give me several tens of millions of dollars they had lying around. The stamp on the envelope looked like it had been produced with a child's print-set. I have received only one via Email, and that was after visiting a Nigerian newspaper internet site which I located via Yahoo.com. Both of the communications cautioned against "involving the authorities". I can't imagine why...

Name:	Dreadnought
Re:	Thanks once again for selling us out...

In response to:
The Democratic National Committee has agreed to pay civil fines and turn over to the Treasury a total of $243,000 to settle accusations that it took more than $1 million in illegal foreign contributions in 1995 and 1996, according to Federal Election Commission records released today. "Some people will look at this and say the F.E.C. should have fined them more," Mr. Cooper said....

Message:
I say investigate the DNC under the RICO statute. Voter fraud, cooked books, illegal campaign contributions,how many smoking guns do you need?

Name:

Smedley

In response to:
That is impossible. "The masses" consist(s) of many individuals, no two of whom have the same definition of "happiness".

Message:
Of course! There is no way that any government can "maximize" the happiness of every individual. That is understood.

However, a government can take steps to maximize the happiness of the population as a whole by providing certain services but more often than not ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PURSUE THEIR OWN VISION OF HAPPINESS.

Name:	Forum Fan
To:	Sonny T Daye

In response to:
>A book keeper for a Detroit law firm got fooled by one of those stupid Nigerian scam letters (for some reason I get at least three a day), and now her law firm is out 2.1 million dollars!

Message:
How are these any different from ACLU fundraising letters?

Name:	sumwatsane
To:	Rolling Thunder

Message:
I liked your rendition of the typed one finger salute. Now, can you do "The Last Supper? If not, I'll settle for "MonaLisa"

Name:	More from the DemoCrooks
Re:	Lyin', cheatin', stealin' n' double dealin'

Message:

N.Y. Times Buries $476,000 in Dem Fines

"The Federal Election Commission disclosed yesterday it has imposed a record-setting $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources." (Washington Post, Sept. 21, 2002)

"Democrats Are Fined $243,000 for Fund-Raising Violations." (New York Times, Sept. 21, 2002)

If you believe the Times banner line, the fines levied against the Democrats were a whopping $476,000 lower than reported by the Post, which was, after all, telling its readers what the Federal Election Commission disclosed to them ... and the Times and, for that matter, the whole world.

If you scroll down - way down - in the story, the Times' Richard Oppel Jr. manages to report the total fines the Post reports were levied against the "Democratic National Committee, the Clinton-Gore campaign, the Buddhist temple and nearly two dozen people and corporations acting as conduits for illegal contributions."

Name:	Mr Subliminal
To:	smeddles

In response to:
Smedley signed up 2000-10-21

Message:
Looks like (weatherman) somebody has (scotty) too damn much (harp player) time on (utah resident) his (bone stem cells) hands.

Name:

Daschle's tirade

In response to:
It is also worth noting that fictitious profit figures reported by the Clinton-Gore Commerce Department were in no small measure responsible for the stock-market bubble in the first place.

Message:
EDITORIAL • September 20, 2002 Daschle's tirade In an obviously desperate attempt to change the debate in Congress from war authorization to class warfare, Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle attacked the economic record of the Bush administration on Monday. During a 35-minute temper tantrum staged on the Senate floor, Mr. Daschle described the administration's economic policies as "tragic, deplorable, abysmal." Not only did Mr. Daschle utterly ignore the self-evident facts of the recent business cycle, but he also repeated his peculiar ideas about economic theory. Once again Mr. Daschle blamed last year's tax-relief legislation, which the president initiated and the Senate passed in a bipartisan vote, for "the tragic set of financial and economic circumstances that we are witnessing today." Since the weeks immediately preceding Mr. Bush's inauguration last year, partisan Democrats have never allowed facts to get in the way of their misinterpretation of economic history. Recall how Democrats reacted then to Vice President-elect Dick Cheney's sensible observation that the economy may have already fallen into recession. History now confirms that Mr. Cheney's analysis was right on the money. Everyone now knows that economic output began contracting during last year's first quarter and continued to decline for the next two. Given that the annual rate of economic growth had collapsed from more than 6 percent during the second half of 1999 to less than 1 percent during the second half of 2000, only a person blinded by partisanship could fail to acknowledge the fact that the recession actually began before Mr. Bush entered office. Similarly, for the stock market collapse, notwithstanding Mr. Daschle's tirade equating Mr. Bush with Herbert Hoover, the Dow Jones industrial average peaked in January 2000, and the Nasdaq bubble burst two months later. It is also worth noting that fictitious profit figures reported by the Clinton-Gore Commerce Department were in no small measure responsible for the stock-market bubble in the first place. Mr. Daschle, of course, has not relied solely on the weak economy to wage his class warfare in recent days. He also has attempted to score political points over the fallout from the accounting scandals that have exploded this year. As this page has meticulously outlined, however, the genesis of those scandals occurred long before Messrs. Bush and Cheney took office. Conspicuously absent from Mr. Daschle's tantrum were any recommendations to correct the economic problems that, according to his perceptions, spontaneously began on Jan. 20, 2001. He even refused to call for a rollback of the tax cut he believes caused the recession, which, as it happens, began nearly half a year before the tax cut was signed. Nor was there any acknowledgement by Mr. Daschle that the Senate's failure to pass a budget resolution — the first time that has happened since the budget process was reformed in 1974 — has significantly contributed to the out-of-control spending binges in Congress. Moreover, unlike the Republican-controlled House, the Senate, under what passes for Mr. Daschle's leadership, has failed to re-authorize welfare-reform; has not passed a prescription-drug benefit for senior citizens and the disabled; has not passed a pension-reform bill; and has yet to pass homeland-security legislation. Thus, there is no escaping the conclusion by White House Budget Director Mitch Daniels, who described Mr. Daschle's recent tirade as the latest in "a pattern of total default of leadership."

Name:	Ibex
Re:	Ain't it a shame...

Message:
Ain't it a shame that Daschle's voice doesn't sound exactly like Froggy's voice on The Little Rascals ?

Name:	ghost
To:	concerned

In response to:
Given that the annual rate of economic growth had collapsed from more than 6 percent during the second half of 1999 to less than 1 percent during the second half of 2000, only a person blinded by partisanship could fail to acknowledge the fact that the recession actually began before Mr. Bush entered office. Similarly, for the stock market collapse, notwithstanding Mr. Daschle's tirade equating Mr. Bush with Herbert Hoover, the Dow Jones industrial average peaked in January 2000, and the Nasdaq bubble burst two months later.

Message:
Speaking of passing the buck....where's concerned?

Name:

Bubbles LeRoi

In response to:
Speaking of passing the buck....where's concerned?

Message:
concerned checked out of the forum a couple days ago. Sounded kinda permanent. concerned will be missed.

Name:

Stoney Mahoney

In response to:
I liked your rendition of the typed one finger salute. Now, can you do "The Last Supper? If not, I'll settle for "MonaLisa"

Message:
Yes, but it is a pay sight. You have had the free tour.

Name:

Botox

In response to:
concerned checked out of the forum a couple days ago. Sounded kinda permanent. concerned will be missed.

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What, did concerned go in for an ethics implant?

Name:	Meyenberg
To:	Industrial Power

In response to:
concerned checked out of the forum a couple days ago. Sounded kinda permanent. concerned will be missed.

Message:
The DNC machine is currently in such disarray that concerned probably doesn't know which propagandic directives are operative and which are not. It's tough being a good parrot/'bot when your mentor is schizzing like a dinged-out crankster.

Name:	Alhaji Abdul Yusufu
To:	You

Message:
Alhaji Abdul Yusufu

TEL/FAX: 234-90-401592

Lagos, Nigeria.

Date:23/10/97

REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP

I am a member of the ADHOC committee setr up by the federal government of Nigeria to review contracts awarded by the past military administrations between 1985-93. The members of the committee are interested in the importation of goods into the country with funds presently floating in the central bank of Nigeria/Nigerian national petroleum corporation (NNPC) foreign payments account.

ORIGIN OF FUNDThis fund is presently floating in the NNPC foreign payments account in Central Bank of Nigeria. This is a result of grossly over-invoiced contracts which werre executed for the NNPC during the last administration in Nigeriaand are presently under verification. To this effect, the present administration in Nigerian, set up an adhoc committee to identify, scrutinize and recommend for payment all valid contracts that have been fully executed. in the course of our assignment, we have identified a lot of misappropriated and inflated funds which are presently floating in the suspense account of the central bank of Nigeria, ready for payment. the companies who executed these contracts have been fully paid. it is now part of the over-inflated sum of usd25,320,000.00 that we intend to transfer into a foreign account.

(More Later)

Name:	Maude Fenster
To:	Alhaji Abdul Yusufu

Message:
Aren't you supposed to be a Dr.?

Name:	concerned
To:	right wingers

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The DNC machine is currently in such disarray that concerned probably doesn't know which propagandic directives are operative and which are not. It's tough being a good parrot/'bot when your mentor is schizzing like a dinged-out crankster.

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I just deal in the facts. You rightwingers never seem to get it in your heads.

Name:

Tsol Erog

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I just deal in the facts. You rightwingers never seem to get it in your heads.

Message:
Only when it suits your purposes, concerned.

Name:	Dr. Alhaji Abdul Yusufu
To:	Maude Fenster

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Doctor?

Message:
As you wish.

To continue: I have therefore been mandated as a matter of trust by the members of the committee t ook for a foreign partner into whose account we could transfer the sum of usd25,320,ooo/oo (TWENTY-FIVE MILLION, THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND U.S. DOLLARS ONLY) Hence I am writing you this letter we have agreed to share funds thus:

(1)65% for us (the committee members) and

(2)25% for you (the account owner)

(3)10% to be used in settling taxation and all local and foreign expenses that will be incurred in the course of this transaction.

It is from the 65% that we wish to commence the importation business. Please note that this transaction is 100% safe and guarenteed since the law under which our committtee was set up has empowered us to disburse all of the funds found to be floating in the central bank of nigeria redundant accounts from 1985 to date.

We shall commence the transfer of the funds immediately we receive the followinginformation by tel/fax: 234-90-401592 viz

1. your company's name and address

2. your banker's name and address and telephomne and fax numbers

3. the account number and name of would be beneficiary

Yours Faithfully, Alhaji Abdul Yusufu

N.B. This letter is being sent by ordinary mail for confidentiality purpose.

Name:

ghost

Message:
Anyone see Wayne Newton on Foxnews? He blasted Clinton for 9/11 (damn right!) and said he thanks God every day that Bush is president. He can't imagine what it would be like if Gore won. (damn right!)

It's nice to see a celeb. with some brains.

Name:	ghost
To:	Tsol Erog

Message:
That ain't the real concerned. It just sounds like it.

Name:	concerned
To:	Tsol Erog

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Only when it suits your purposes, concerned.

Message:
You rightwingers are way too wierd. Facts are facts. Unfortunately, you rightwingers keep trying to selectively pick and choose which facts to bend and which facts to ignore to come to totally illogical conclusions.

Name:	Howard Johnson
To:	Electrolux, The Din'e Plucker
Re:	Whatever

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ANGRY JOHONA

Message:
So now I'm a god? Cool. Speaking of cool, I've been a frozen confection for about 25 years now. Not much of a gig. Being a sun god sounds pretty interesting though.

Name:	Ghostbuster
To:	ghost

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That ain't the real concerned. It just sounds like it.

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You wouldn't know concerned from your dumbnutz butthole, ghost.

Name:

"con*cerned"

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Party uber alles!

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Facts, unfortunately, are facts. So, unfortunately, I have to keep trying to selectively pick and choose which facts to bend and which facts to ignore, often coming to totally illogical conclusions in order to at least seem to suport my party, in spite of its evident corruption and disconnection from the national interest as well as from the interest of its individual members. (But just wait 'till "campaign finance reform" takes effect!)

Name:	partof VRWC
To:	Forum

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That ain't the real concerned. It just sounds like it.

Message:
It would have brought up the 'Not since herbert Hoover' by now.

Name:	Warlord Mullah
To:	Deadhead

In response to:
Ghostbuster

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You are the saddest cretin on this board, bar none, "Ghostbuster".

Name:	concerned
To:	partof VRWC

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It would have brought up the 'Not since herbert Hoover' by now.

Message:
You rightwingers really do play the blame game, but I suppose that you can't help it. It's in your natures. You should try to be less hypocritical and less judgmental in life.

Name:	Squash Bug
To:	concerned

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You rightwingers really do play the blame game, but I suppose that you can't help it. It's in your natures

Message:
Ever heard of George W. Bush, concerned?

Name:

andatsafact

Message:

CONcerned wannabe: "You rightwingers are way too wierd. Facts are facts. Unfortunately, you rightwingers keep trying to selectively pick and choose which facts to bend and which facts to ignore to come to totally illogical conclusions."

Name:	CON-cerned
Re:	Rugrats (TM)

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concerned's real name is ANGELICA!

Message:
Hi. I'm Con-cerned, and I don't like God because I can't figure out how to make Him pay. I liked the markets for a while, because for awhile I could make them pay. Things are different now, and being a dyed-in-the-wool democRAT, I'm reflexivley looking for someone to blame for my failings and failure to adapt to changing realities. I have bills to pay, and I'm looking for someone to be made to pay them, too, because I deserve it. The whole world's gone to hell, and it's all George Bush's fault, though Lord knows, I'm not one to play that old blame game!

Name:	bordertex
To:	forum

Message:

well, it seems ALLAH has answered my prayers again and now Germany can be safe in the good hands of the best choice for Germans, so Schroeder wins once again the hearts of the people because even Germans dont want to go to war so thank GOD we still have intelligence in Germany as per in the Country of Israel and the United States I just dont know anymore

but I do know this mr friends fans enemies and foes, that the only party who gives a damn for all America and our Environment is the Democratic Party vs. the Republican Party who only cares for loopholes for their Corporations who fund and support their elections

So thank you Germany, that once again Germany is in the good hands of a real leader, not like the republican imposter wimp in our Whitehouse so thank you Germany for doing the only right thing

now if we could only make the world and the United Nations how it bothers some of grandmothers and mothers to envision ourselves behind lock and key over curfews by somebody coming into our Country or would george bush allow this to happen to us when he is allowing the massacres of Palestinians by Ariel Sharon?

The United States federal government has the responsibility to preserve the peace around and beyond our borders but with George Walker Bush, the world is not safe and the Environment and ozone and atmosphere have a big enemy in this republicans who could not vote on behalf of a clean earth safe rivers and clean air, but who could and did vote for every corporate loophole they could invent

The United States has a big problema when we are funding and supporting the military massacre of thousands of Palestinian people who have been living worse than animals in their imprisonment curfews because one jewish criminal wants to enforce curfews in a land and territory that Israel is not President or leader of, but in a land where now the President of Palestine is being pushed around and bombarded because Israel wants somebody to throw some real bombs on it and so then world war three can commence but until then, if the United Nations stands firm and the Democratic Congress stands firm, nothing can bring us to a brink of a war with Iraq except the painful opposition to the Palestine Massacres

So in my opinion Israel is really pushing the bucket around trying to disturb world peace by assassinating and imprisoning the Palestinian People to the eyes of the world and mine who condemns to the pit of hell! every movement of threat against a nation that has not invaded our lands so every nation has a right to defend itself and there is nothing in Israel holy enough to want to see anymore after Israel itself destroyed the sanctity of the place where Jesus was said to have been born for what swine from wherever takes it upon himself to attack people seeking refuge in a churc