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A Call for Republicans by Larry Rockefeller
I am Larry Rockefeller, a long-time Republican deeply concerned about our party's unrelenting campaign to remove the President from office. Other Republicans around the country with whom I have spoken share this concern. Many are fed up with what seems like an extreme partisan attempt to undo a national election.
The question is: what should we do next? Our views -- let's face it -- have been ignored by our Republican Senators and Representatives, who have refused to censure and move on.
Some Republicans feel that, on a matter of such fundamental importance to our Constitution and nation, we should leave the Republican party. Others feel that it is better to stay Republican and try to bring our party back into the mainstream.
Do I intend to leave the Party? Actually, I feel like the Republican
Party has been leaving me, as it moves ever farther to the right.
The party that I grew up associating with Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and
my uncle, Nelson Rockefeller, has become the party of Tom Delay,
Trent Lott, and Ken Starr. My own decision will be informed by this
Internet outreach -- learning how other Republicans opposed to impeachment
feel about our party and its future.
- Larry Rockefeller, New York, NY
Justice Department to Examine Starr Request to Expand Whitewater Inquiry
By DAVID JOHNSTON and DON VAN NATTA Jr. New York Times
WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department has decided to begin an inquiry to determine
whether Kenneth W. Starr's prosecutors misled Attorney General Janet Reno
about possible conflicts of interest when they obtained permission to
investigate the Lewinsky matter in January 1998, Government officials said today.
Among other concerns, the inquiry will focus on whether the prosecutors should have disclosed the contacts between Starr's office and the Paula Jones legal team in the weeks leading up to Starr's decision to ask Ms. Reno to expand his inquiry beyond the Whitewater matter, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
In recent months, documentation has emerged that indicates there were conversations between a prosecutor in Starr's office and a lawyer working behind the scenes with the Jones legal team from November 1997 to January 1998.
But a series of newly disclosed notes taken at the initial meetings on Jan. 15 and Jan. 16, 1998, between Starr's prosecutors and Justice Department officials, shows that the prosecutors flatly asserted that there had been no contacts with the Jones team.
For example, Eric H. Holder Jr., the Deputy Attorney General, wrote in his three pages of notes of a Jan. 15, 1998, meeting with Starr's prosecutors: "They've had no contact with plaintiff's attys."
Handwritten notes by two other Justice Department officials, Monty Wilkinson and Josh Hochberg, corroborate the statements attributed to Starr's prosecutors. Moreover, notes taken by another participant in the meeting, Steven Bates, a prosecutor in Starr's office, indicate that Jackie M. Bennett, one of Starr's deputies, told the Justice Department officials: "We've had no contact with the plaintiffs' attorneys. We're concerned about appearances."
The notes have become crucial evidence in the Justice Department inquiry, which will be conducted by the Office of Professional Responsibility, which investigates prosecutorial misconduct. The lawyers' notes became public just last month as part of the Senate record of documents related to the impeachment trial of the President.
The truthfulness of Starr's prosecutors is one of several issues that the department wants to examine, the Government officials said. Lawyers in the ethics office also intend to investigate whether Starr abused his authority to convene grand juries, or improperly pressed witnesses, like Ms. Lewinsky, and disclosed secret grand jury information to the news media, the officials said.
Clinton's lawyers and supporters have long contended that there was collusion between Starr's office and the conservative Jones lawyers, noting that Linda R. Tripp found her way to the Office of Independent Counsel through a group of private lawyers who performed legal work on the Jones case. Starr has insisted that his office sought permission from Ms. Reno to expand his jurisdiction when he learned of allegations that President Clinton's close friend, Vernon E. Jordan Jr., was helping Monica S. Lewinsky find a job in exchange for her silence as a possible witness in the Jones lawsuit.
Charles G. Bakaly 3d, a spokesman for Starr's office, would not comment on the Justice Department's plans to start an investigation. But Bakaly said that the notes showed that prosecutors supplied the Justice Department with a thorough status report on the then-nascent inquiry.
"I don't know how else to put it," Bakaly said. "There was no misleading of Justice. This was a very fluid evolving situation. Unlike most public corruption cases, this one was ongoing felonies were still possibly being committed."
This latest inquiry has exacerbated tensions that have existed between the Justice Department and the Office of Independent Counsel almost since the beginning of the Lewinsky scandal.
At one point last spring, Ms. Reno asked her senior aides to research whether she had the authority to discipline Starr in some way that stopped short of removing him, according to a former Justice Department official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Some aides told her that it would be a mistake, comparing it to the "Saturday Night Massacre" when President Nixon ordered the firing of the Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox in October 1973.
But, the official said, Ms. Reno shot back: "I'm not asking you to make a political judgment. I'm asking you to make a legal judgment." Deepening hostilities between the Justice Department and Starr's office delayed the start of the new ethics inquiry. The ethics investigators recently wrote to Starr outlining the scope and authority for the investigation, the officials said. Starr's prosecutors are challenging the inquiry, asserting that the Attorney General does not have the authority to delve into highly sensitive grand jury material or investigative decisions that led Ms. Reno to refer the case to Starr.
Ms. Reno's aides have said that investigative authority is implied by language in the independent counsel statute, which gives the Attorney General the sole responsibility to remove an independent prosecutor.
Over time, Justice Department officials, including Ms. Reno, have become troubled by what they view as possible violations of Justice Department guidelines. From issues like calling the Secret Service before the grand jury to the crossfire over leaks to the news media, Starr's prosecutors and Justice Department officials have feuded privately.
"As time went on, people became more and more frustrated with him," the Justice Department official said of Starr. "He seemed less concerned with Department of Justice policies."
The ethics lawyers are trying to determine whether prosecutors in Starr's office had a vested interest in the outcome of the Jones case, an interest that would have undercut their ability to impartially investigate allegations related to the lawsuit. If that conflict existed, the officials said, it would have been an important factor as Ms. Reno weighed whether to recommend to a three-judge panel that Starr take on the Lewinsky matter.
At this point, the ethics unit of the Justice Department must determine whether Starr and his prosecutors violated departmental rules and prosecutorial guidelines. Their findings could lead to recommendations for disciplinary action, like reprimands or suspension of employment.
The relationship between Ms. Reno and Starr began as a wary but cordial one that a Government official compared to "Thatcher and Gorbachev."
At times, Ms. Reno has expressed exasperation over Starr's conduct, fuming over letters sent by Starr's prosecutors accusing the Justice Department of trying to undercut the inquiry.
Starr's prosecutors had also grown angry and suspicious about Ms. Reno's aides, suggesting that the Justice Department was under the control of the White House and had quietly tried to squelch Starr's effort, the officials said.
Since October, several news organizations have reported how Starr's office first learned about the Lewinsky matter. On Jan. 8, 1998 -- four days before Linda R. Tripp contacted Starr's office -- Jerome M. Marcus, a Philadelphia lawyer who did extensive work for the Jones legal team, informed Paul Rosenzweig, a prosecutor in Starr's office, about the Lewinsky accusations.
The early tip was not disclosed in Starr's 445-page referral to Congress. Nor was it disclosed to the Justice Department. And The New York Times reported last month that there were several conversations between Marcus and Rosenzweig from November 1997 to January 1998.
David E. Kendall, one of the President's personal lawyers, complained to Ms. Reno in October that "very serious questions" were raised about those contacts.
The allegations of collusion prompted lawyers at the Justice Department to turn their attention to their own recollections, and their own handwritten notes, of statements made by Starr's representatives on Jan. 15, 1998, officials said today.
One former Justice Department lawyer said in an interview that Ms. Reno was especially disappointed in the fact that the early phone call was not shared with her senior aides in January 1998.
Last month, The New York Times reported that Marcus was the leader of a small secret group of lawyers working behind the scenes on the Jones case. Marcus drafted legal documents and was involved in many of the most important strategic decisions in the Jones lawsuit, according to billing records in the Jones case and interviews with other lawyers who worked with him.
Marcus recruited other conservative lawyers to assist with his efforts, approaching among others, Paul Rosenzweig, who briefly considered doing work for Ms. Jones in 1994, the billing records show, but decided not to.
In November 1997, Rosenzweig joined Starr's office, where he and Marcus had several conversations about the Jones case, said a lawyer familiar with their discussions.
Bakaly, the spokesman for Starr, has adamantly denied any suggestion of collusion. When Starr testified before the House Judiciary Committee on Nov. 19 of last year, he was asked by the chief counsel for the minority, Abbe D. Lowell, about the "substantial contacts" that Starr had had with Jones lawyers.
In a series of questions, Lowell tried to suggest that Starr should have revealed the contacts to the Justice Department in January 1998, and that Richard W. Porter, a partner of Starr's at the law firm, Kirkland & Ellis, had declined a request to represent Ms. Jones.
"I know Richard Porter; I've had communications with him from time to time," Starr testified. "But in terms of a specific discussion with respect to what the law firm may be doing or may not be doing, I'm not recalling that specifically, no."
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The above story has strange timing - just as the Democrats need cover for their acquittal of the guilty tomorrow - Janet Reno pulls a rabbit out of her hat and produces a story that may likely overshadow the shameless action of the partisan Democrats goose-stepping in jackbooted lockstep stonewall defense of the perjurer-in-chief. We shall see. If Starr is guilty - nail it (BTW - it does not change a thing in the Clinton case because the facts are already out). The timing surely seems fishy.
-LVD
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Message: IMPEACHMENT SPINS TANGLED WEB OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Chicago Tribune, Tempo Section Communist invasions. Mind-controlling "Furbies." CIA plots, feminist coups and the end of the world. And you thought you knew all about the impeachment trial. On the Internet, the Lewinsky scandal and subsequent impeachment of the president have provided fuel for conspiracy theories, from the outrageous to the ominous, making the publishing of home-based investigations as common as UFO sightings in Nevada. "There's no one theory," says conspiracy buff Rayelan Allen of Aptos, Calif. "It's a puzzle, and everyone has a piece. The Internet sites let us share them, fit together the pieces, and figure out what's really going on." In pursuit of "what's really going on," would-be sleuths, "X-Files" fans and those loosely tethered to reality seek answers -- or provide them -- on conspiracy-related Web sites and Internet news groups. Is Clinton a CIA pawn who has outlasted his usefulness? Reports on the on-line mailing lists "Conspiracy Nation" and "Rumor Mill News" describe Clinton as a longtime CIA operative, even a former spy during his Oxford days. Clinton, they assert, overshot his role in the New World Order -- the attempt to form a worldwide government ruled by a cabal of the rich and powerful -- and is being targeted for failing to step down after his first term. Another theory has warring CIA factions duking it out, with Clinton's presidency the battleground. Chief Justice William Rehnquist's striped robe has caused quite a conspiratorial stir, despite the benign explanation that his stripes were inspired by Gilbert and Sullivan's "Iolanthe." Some suspect they're a sign the Senate trial is actually a clandestine military court-martial -- since the four stripes imply a naval ranking of captain -- trying Clinton for unstated crimes. While Hillary Clinton has portrayed her husband as victim of a "vast right-wing conspiracy," some Internet conspiracy theorists contend that she may be attempting a coup d'etat herself. The Conspiracy Nation newsletter claims she, as well as "(Linda) Tripp, (Lucianne) Goldberg, and (Monica) Lewinsky all belong to a loosely based Feminist Intelligence Network." The network, which supposedly includes Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and poet Maya Angelou, seeks to control the government. With Hillary supporting husband Bill and keeping his poll numbers up, he's now in debt to her and her agenda, the theory goes. What if the entire impeachment is all part of Clinton's master plan? A national distraction over an indiscretion could be all that's needed to sneak more power. That's the basis for the "Clinton/Y2K" school of thought, in which the country is so shaken by the impeachment that a real or faked disaster, such as a year 2000- spawned shutdown of the nation's computer system, would allow Clinton to declare martial law and proclaim himself president for life. "Can we afford to allow this potential tyrant, this megalomaniac, this demagogue to remain in power?" asks Internet and talk radio host Joseph Farah. Another version has Clinton prolonging the investigation until the Y2K chaos sets in, and then escaping punishment in the anarchy that follows. Even this Christmas' popular "Furby" phenomenon is suspect in postings in the "alt.mind-control" news group. Some claim the government programs TVs and computers to emit "orgone rays" -- a mysterious, scientifically debunked mind control wave theorized by psychologist Wilhelm Reich. This theory states that through fluoride in water and toothpaste, American minds are being manipulated to see this scandal as only about sex and thus miss the real implications, involving everything from the CIA to the Incan extra-terrestrial religious sects who may still control the world. To counter the "orgone," recommended a news group respondent, "You should wear a helmet made of aluminum foil" whenever watching TV, using a computer, or operating a Furby. The National Security Agency's banning of Furbies from its offices is seen as proof of their danger. And independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr
doesn't escape suspicion. Norman Olson, a commander in the Northern Michigan
Regional Militia, writes Starr may have been placed by the government
to "create a diversion away from real criminal behavior" that if made public might
bring down others in the government, the CIA and unnamed other "power brokers."
After all, how could a four-year, $40 million investigation bring only
a sex scandal to light? What if Bill Clinton is a communist and
the impeachment is a "diversion" to weaken the country before eventual
invasion? So claims a Web site titled, simply enough, "Conspiracy Theory."
Clinton's support of China, his student trip to Moscow and the Justice Department's attempts to bring down Microsoft are considered evidence that the president is planning to trigger World War III that the U.S. would ultimately lose. Even the Bible, some say, offers clues. Proponents of "The Bible Code," a theory that the Hebrew letters of the Bible can be manipulated to auger the future, have found numerous examples with inferences to the president's predicament. The "Here a Little, There a Little" religious Web site provides graphical examples of Clinton's name (in Hebrew) as well as words such as "adulterer," "impeach" and the month and year of the impeachment hearings. According to the site, "disgrace," "scoundrel" and even House Resolution 611, the impeachment resolution, are mentioned. "Nostradamus Predicts Clinton Scandal," a South Carolina based Web site, claims the 16th Century French astrologer Michel de Nostradamus prophesied the president's impeachment when he wrote, "The great credit of gold and abundance of silver/Will cause honour to be blinded by lust/The offence of the adulterer will become known/Which will occur to his great dishonour." That's good enough for Nostradamus fans, though Clinton's hardly the only leader tripped up by indiscretions in the last 400 years. Which raises a final question: Why are all the people asking why? "The impeachment trial is weird, and it doesn't take much of a theorist to think there's another agenda," explains Jonathan Valen, co-author of "The 70 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time." Television and movies, from the "X-Files" to Oliver Stone's "JFK," combined with the freedoms of the Internet have made it more acceptable, even "cool," to theorize, says Valen. "Any college kid with an AOL account can immediately become a pundit," he says. "It's easy, and let's face it -- it's a fun game that sometimes becomes the truth." Just remember to wear your aluminum foil helmet. Copyright Chicago Tribune
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Chattanooga Free Press
Look at these words from Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd of
West Virginia about President Bill Clinton: "It will be very
difficult to stand and say "not guilty' -- very hard -- who's
kidding whom?"
He's right! So why not vote "guilty" on the impeachment
evidence?
Now look at the "censure" resolution drafted by Democratic
Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California:
"Whereas William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United
States, engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a
subordinate employee in the White House, which was
shameless, reckless and indefensible;
"Whereas William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United
States, deliberately misled and deceived the American people,
the members of Congress and his staff;
"Whereas William Jefferson Clinton's conduct in this matter is
unacceptable for a President of the United States, does demean
the Office of the President as well as the President himself,
and creates disrespect for the laws of the land;
"Whereas President Clinton fully deserves condemnation and
censure for engaging in such behavior;
"Whereas future generations of Americans must know that
such behavior is not only unacceptable but also bears grave
consequences, including loss of integrity, trust and respect;
"Whereas William Jefferson Clinton's conduct in this matter
has brought shame and dishonor to himself and to the Office
of the President; and
"Whereas William Jefferson Clinton through his conduct in
this matter has violated the trust of the American people;
"Now, therefore, be it resolved that:
"The United States Senate does hereby censure and condemn
William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, in
the strongest terms for his conduct."
All of this is from Democrats, partisans of Mr. Clinton. They
are right, of course. So why don't they, other Democrats and
Republicans in the Senate face the basic issues and simply do
their duty, convicting Mr. Clinton on the impeachment charges
before the Senate?
Watch not what they say but how they vote.
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Message: Dems' Triumph Over Constitution Complete
Jewish World Review
(JWR) --- (http://www.jewishworldreview.com) WE KNEW
ALMOST FROM THE OUTSET that Bill Clinton has no moral
compass. What we didn't know was just how far his party
would go to protect him from the consequences of his
criminal conduct.
Whatever the future holds in store for the Democrats, this will stand to their
everlasting shame.
Can this be the party of Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson, of gutsy Harry
Truman (who took the heat and knew exactly where the buck stopped), of Hubert
Humphrey, who defied public opinion of his day by calling for equal rights for all
Americans on the floor of the Democratic National Convention in 1948?
Is this the party of country lawyer Sam Ervin,
tenacious in his defense of the Constitution
against another president who thought himself
above the law?
Last week, a solitary Democratic senator (Russell
Feingold, a maverick from Wisconsin) voted with
the solid Republican majority against dismissal
and in favor of calling a short list of witnesses.
The best that the party has to offer stood by their
felon. Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, he of the
pious pronouncements on the president's
disgraceful conduct, Daniel Patrick Moynihan
(once dubbed the conscience of the Senate) and
West Virginia's Robert Byrd -- that fair-weather
friend of the Constitution -- all voted to dismiss
the case. Adding to his dishonor, Byrd offered the resolution.
But, mark this well, not a single Republican defected. Liberals like Sen. Susan
Collins (Maine), John Chaffee (R.I.) and James Jeffords (Vt.), who rarely side with
their party's majority on any issue, cast their lot with Jesse Helms and John
Ashcroft.
Even if they're out of sync with the Republican philosophy, GOP moderates know
what's at stake here: the integrity of our system of government.
This refutes the latest White House spin -- that by pushing the case against
Clinton, congressional Republicans are kowtowing to their party's right-wing
base.
When was the last time Olympia Snowe took her marching orders from Gary
Bauer? John Warner will not have the Christian Coalition's support even if he
single-handedly persuade 12 of his Democratic colleagues to vote to convict.
Unlike their counterpart, the Republican Party from left to right is standing on
principle.
At every stage of the process, Democrats have been a rigged jury, so stubbornly
biased as to make the 12 who acquitted O.J. Simpson seem impartial by
comparison.
In 1974, all but four House Republicans voted in favor of a "resolution of inquiry"
into Watergate. In 1998, only 31 House Democrats approved a similarly
open-ended inquiry of Clinton's criminal misconduct by the Judiciary Committee.
Democrats on the committee, from Barney Frank to Maxine Waters, played the
obstructionist game to the hilt, then voted solidly against reporting articles of
impeachment to the full House.
Following a debate in which they carried on like temperamental tots (actually
whining because the majority would not allow a vote on a resolution of censure,
as meaningless as it was unconstitutional), with the exception of five brave
souls, Democratic representatives voted against the articles of impeachment,
then scurried to the White House to applaud Vice President Al Gore when he
called the perjurer in chief one of our "greatest presidents."
After taking an oath from the chief justice of the Supreme Court to fairly consider
the evidence and reach an impartial verdict, Democratic senators immediately
betrayed their opposition to conducting a real trial.
Two days of abbreviated presentations followed by a vote on adjournment was
their preferred scenario. A trial with witnesses was beyond their comprehension.
It took the Democrats decades to arrive here, to reach the point where they
would gleefully shred the Constitution to save their president.
This is no longer the Jeffersonian party of limited government, but the party of
$1.77 trillion federal budgets and the highest level of taxation in our history.
In place of Jackson's fierce defense of American independence, the party now
clamors to cede ever more of our sovereignty to world government and
condones the treasonous transfer of military technology to China.
Its defense of quotas and other race-based privileges would astound the late
Minnesota senator.
Democrats are willing to ignore perjury, to wink at obstruction of justice, to
tolerate the nation's chief law-enforcement officer actively working to subvert
our legal system.
Having dealt representative government a thousand blows in this century, the
Democrats' triumph over the Constitution is now complete.
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Bill Clinton has managed to demonstrate that if a president works hard at boosting his job approval ratings to the exclusion of all else, the resulting high ratings are not inconsistent with public feelings of indifference and even disgust. In the week before he was impeached, as Clinton's job approval scores shot up past 70, the percentage of those who thought he should resign if impeached at one point reached 58 percent. Likewise, favorable reactions to the State of the Union seemed to carry all the authority of a theatrical notice. "I think he was a prince," said a man in one focus group. "I was overwhelmed." But this same man, in the same session, also uttered this judgment: "When I look at Clinton, I don't see a president. I see a manipulator, a conniver, a liar."
Compartmentalization, anyone? In the people who responded to his pollsters' questions, Clinton finally met people who could compartmentalize as well as he ever could, and perhaps could split hairs even more precisely. In the end, few of the people who so manifestly "approved" of the job he did, would lift a finger to help him. They, too, knew how to put things in boxes. And did.
The Clintonites also seem to have attributed an intensity to the president's numbers that doesn't exist. "Seventy percent of the American people strongly support President Clinton," his supporters like to intone on the talk shows. Actually, 30 percent of Americans strongly support President Clinton, which corresponds to the base of his party. Another 30 percent strongly oppose him, which corresponds to the base of the Republican party, and want to see him convicted and possibly hanged. The 40 percent in the middle don't want to see either side win: They oppose a move to evict the president forcibly, but would hate to see him dance a victory jig, and would not be disturbed if he left.
Clinton's friends can still whip up mob scenes like the one when he visited Buffalo after the State of the Union. This no doubt makes him feel good, and may even impress gullible journalists. The interesting question is whether Clinton mistakes it for public support. Has he fallen prey to what intelligence adepts call "blowback," which is what happens when you come to believe your own propaganda, and the stories you put out to dazzle the enemy mislead your own side? It will no doubt be an incredible temptation to Clinton to overinterpret his survival in office as a form of public acclaim. And it will be an ironic turn if Clinton allows himself to be tricked by polls that are technically accurate, if misleading.
No pollster has mesmerizing power except over a gullible client. Bill Clinton, in his utter fixation with public approval, and in his need to find himself in other people's eyes, put polls above all else: above power, respect, and authority. He put the appearance of action above actual movement, acquiescence above genuine leadership, and the illusion of backing above affection itself. One can imagine him making a Faustian bargain, trading his soul for the thing he most covets--stratospheric ratings in the polls.
And his wish has been granted. His job approval is still up there, almost above mortal levels. Yes, he was impeached. His power is gone, his name is a joke, his legacy stained. But look at those ratings! Why, he may be the most popular man ever to disgust the American people. Like Macbeth, Clinton has put his faith in certainties that may turn out not so certain. Birnam wood has come to Dunsinane, and the polls are still strong. But with two years to go, the curtain hasn't fallen yet.
2/10/99
By Eric Lipton, Washington Bureau
02/10/99
Editorial
2/8/99
Don Feder
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Message: Hillary Clinton Calls Abortion a 'Human Right.'
EWTN News THE HAGUE, FEB 9 (ZENIT).- Hillary Clinton finally had her day. Hers was the most
anticipated address at the Cairo+5 Forum being held at The Hague to review the commitments
adopted by the 1994 U.N. Conference on population control. She was introduced at the meeting as
the first lady of the world, not just of the United States.
Bill Clinton's wife did not disappoint expectations; she thrilled the audience by claiming the right of
all women anywhere in the world to abortion and to family planning.
"Governments do not have the right to decide for women if a child should or should not be born,"
she asserted, sending a clear message to all those countries with legislation prohibiting abortion.
Mrs. Clinton also condemned the coercive practices in China to impose population control, but the
reference was more for the benefit of the U.S. Congress than an appeal to Beijing. It is a known
fact that Washington supports coercive practices for population control, and not just in China;
suffice it to think of the scandals of mass sterilization in Peru and Brazil. For several months the
Republican majority in Congress has blocked the funding of U.N. agencies -- a move which will
not change until the White House commits itself not to support plans which encourage abortion.
Thus, Hillary Clinton's presence at The Hague was meant to soften the compromising situation the
United States finds itself in at this international forum and to pressure Washington to comply with
its commitments to the U.N. Population Fund.
A commitment which Hillary confirmed today in the Forum organized by the U.N. with the
announcement that the White House hopes to give $25 million to the Fund as a voluntary
contribution.
The wife of President Clinton spoke on another controversial topic on the agenda of the Cairo+5
Forum: the services for the reproductive health of adolescents who, according to her, should be
educated "to avoid unwanted pregnancies." This is a delicate topic, as pressures are being exerted
at The Hague Forum for parents to be excluded from the decision-making process affecting their
underage children in this area.
After praising the work of some non-governmental U.S. organization on this matter, Hillary Clinton
asserted that Catholic groups also support this project.
Vatican Radio promptly accused America's first lady of creating an obvious "confusion." "In the
United States, there are groups calling themselves Catholics which do not belong to the Church;
their sole objective is to cause division and confusion among Catholics."
2/10/99
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Bell-bottom blues
Washington Times, Inside the Beltway Look up in the tree. It's a bird! It's a kite! No, it's...
Bill Clinton's britches?
Just when President Clinton thought he was off the hook, the
Clinton-Without-Trousers Brigade has made its debut with over
100 pairs of "President Clinton's pants" dangling from trees
at several Capitol Hill locations, including lofty limbs in
front of the Democratic National Committee.
What's this all about?
"To use Prsident Clinton's trousers as symbolic reminders of
his reckless, predatory and sometimes violent behavior toward
innocent women, particularly the numerous 'Jane Does' who are
still being silenced," a clothes-hanger tells Inside the Beltway.
Next event?
"Stay viewed to a tree near you between now and President's
Day."
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Message: Teaching The Democrats Of Tomorrow
Boston Herald Teaching the Democrats of tomorrow
Public education has played a vital role in President Clinton's otherwise inexplicable approval ratings.
The current administration needs citizens who are oblivious to history and incapable of coherent thought - sheep to be led in pastures of the welfare state.
The public schools have provided this commodity in abundance.
I have in my possession essays from budding scholars in an advanced placement high-school government class. The letters, a class assignment, were written in response to one of my columns on the impeachment trial.
The punctuation, spelling and sentence structure are uniformly atrocious. Their reasoning is a wonder to behold. Students' names have been changed to protect the ignorant.
Apparently, none of my correspondents has heard of the quaint custom of grouping ideas in paragraphs. Their letters are all a solid mass of words.
Timothy begins: ``You know some people may think of Clinton as a pig, a cheat or a lier (sic), but you can't say he isn't a strong person. Every (sic) since this impeachment and perjury and sex scandal stuff started, people have tried to put Clinton down, like you. [He means, people like me have tried to put Clinton down.] But it seems that the president doesn't pay these people no mind.''
Anyway, people like me ``should be banded.'' Has he misspelled ``banned,''........ or does he mean ``banded'' like a waterfowl?
Arthur admits: ``Bill Clinton should be removed from office. But the idea of Hillary taking over has to be the best thing the Clinton's (sic) can do.'' You didn't know that the Constitution provides for the first lady to assume the presidency in case of the president's removal from office?
The first enabler is also in Wayne's thoughts. ``As many say President Clinton's `back-bone' (sic) is Hillary who has served her position in office.''..... Huh?
``I believe that a woman president or supreme advisor is what this world needs. And whom better than Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton.'' (No question mark.)...... Who indeed?
Dwayne remarks that, ``The facts will always remain.'' (Profound.) Moreover, ``We are all human so we are entitled to the inferiority of not being perfect.''
T.J. declares, ``The information you sent out in your article is lots of Bad Science.'' Astrology? Alchemy? Physiognomy?
Ralph charges, ``Your (sic) looking at this issue one sided (sic), the way you see it and only that way.'' A columnist who views an issue from his perspective? How curious.
``It's people like you not Clinton that give columnist (sic) and people a bad name,'' Ralph reminds me. On the other hand, Clinton gives president a bad name. So there!
Norman, who agrees with my one-sided perspective, hopes that ``the Senate eats him [Clinton] alive and boots him out of office.'' After the president has been thoroughly digested? Mix metaphors well.
Michael puts the matter in its proper perspective. ``I think people are just hoping that this mess will end so they can get back to letting the government run their lives.''
Damn those Republicans, distracting government from its vital work of running our lives!
The point isn't to make fun of victims of educational malpractice. No one expects teenagers to write like award-winning essayists. But these youngsters sound like a bad parody of dead-end kids.
I spoke to their teacher, a pleasant enough man. As if in explanation, he disclosed that his school is 90 percent black and Hispanic.
That makes it worse. As education has always been the path of upward mobility, these students are being trained for failure. (Middle-class parents should avoid complacency. Suburban high schools are only marginally better.)
Is it too much to expect someone to teach the citizens of tomorrow the rudiments of grammar, spelling and sentence structure (not to mention the elements of logic and how to analyze an argument)?
If I had turned in such an assignment in third grade, I would have been strung up.
Now you know why Clinton is such a fan of public education, so committed to the cause that he'll veto opportunity scholarships for minority students and fight against tax reform that would make educational choice more affordable for the middle class.
It's not just that teachers' unions have a first mortgage on his soul for political services rendered. He and his party rely on government schools to crank out the Democratic voters of tomorrow.
Name: Last Visible Dog
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From the Drudge Report:
The redhotfirehot NEW YORK TIMES is back in the lead again on Thursday with a high impact story about to be slugged exclusive and sent off to the printing press: CLINTON SAID TO DECLARE WAR ON HOUSE REPUBLICANS OVER IMPEACHMENT!
According to publishing sources who have seen the Page One, reporters James Bennet and Rihard Berke work their White House sources and learn that President Clinton is "so furious" at House Republicans over his impeachment, his advisers say, that he has personally vowed to mount an "all-out offensive to knock off many of his foes and win back the House for Democrats in 2000."
So much for moving on to the people's business - looks like Bill "weasel boy" Clinton could give a rat's behind about the people's business - he is out to even the score - to get his pound of flesh - look for James Carville to declare war on somebody and to threaten bodily harm - look for Larry Flynt to sniff through the underwear drawers of Republicans in search of sex-dirt. Clinton is about to blow it big time - watch his poll numbers dive into the toilet!
Ponderous!
-LVD
Name: Vernon
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Message: clintong is appointing a new surgeon general. Already this jerk is calling for
the state(federal government)to take control of teaching sex education to our
kids and also their parents. He also wants to promote advertising for condoms.
I thought the democrats were the party who really really really wanted to stay
out of peoples sex lives.
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Message: Senator Questions Starr's Tactics
By The Associated Press
The Justice Department also has advised Starr it intends to investigate the actions of Starr's office, including the Jan. 16, 1998 offer to Ms. Lewinsky of an immunity deal conditioned on her not discussing it with her lawyer, Frank Carter.
``We've heard a lot about the rule of law recently'' in the impeachment trial, said Democratic Sen. Tom Harkin. ``How does'' the rule of law ``apply to Ken Starr and the Office of Independent Counsel? Honesty and truthfulness and the rule of law also applies to those who are cloaked with the authority and the responsibility of enforcing those laws.''
One area that may be of concern to the Justice Department is the contact between Paul Rosenzweig, who is a member of Starr's office, and Philadelphia lawyer Jerome Marcus, who assisted Mrs. Jones' legal team.
Four days before Linda Tripp's first contact with Starr's office on Jan. 12, 1998, Marcus spoke with Rosenzweig about the Lewinsky allegations, a contact that Starr confirmed in his testimony Nov. 19 to the House Judiciary Committee. Starr said his office did not act on it that he did not believe the information on Jan. 8, 1998 included any mention of Linda Tripp's name.
In addition, The New York Times has reported that there were several conversations between Marcus and Rosenzweig from November 1997 to January 1998.
There also are questions about the contact between Starr law partner Richard Porter and New York book agent Lucianne Goldberg.
When Mrs. Tripp was looking for a new attorney, Goldberg called Porter on Mrs. Tripp's behalf. The question is whether, through his contact with Goldberg, Porter ended up representing anyone, including Mrs. Tripp, involved in the case who went to the prosecutor's office. Depending on precisely what Porter did, Starr could have been barred from taking on the Lewinsky probe because of a conflict-of-interest provision in the law governing appointment of independent counsels.
Name: Micheal D Evans
email: riche@icanm
Message: Hillary,
I live in Sault Ste. Marie, Ont, Canada and I feel that you would do a wonderfull job as the president. I've been watching your progress over the years. Your beauty, hard working ethics and honesty are what America needs.
Thank you,
Micheal D Evans
xoxox
Name: Free Speech to LVD
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Message: I found one thing out that LVD is an Okay guy. And I asked for LVD to be nice
way back when, but golly some of the earlier posts were gross by other people..
So I took the heat so people would not pick on the President of the United
States. The President is one of the few people who represents all of the
people.
So good or bad he is my man in Washington, DC. Overall and I believe
it in my heart he is a very brave man for taking all the garbage everyone
dished his way. Everyday he went to work and tried his best. He made us proud
when he visited students in Peking, China and Moscow and even Japan. I watched
him speaking on C-Span. He earned my respect for that. His Monetary policy is
impecable and our economy is doing great. Finally people on poverty are getting
out of poverty and becoming selfsustaining. This problem has plaqued many
Presidents over the years. First we had the New Deal, then the Fair Deal, then
The new frontier, then the war on poverty. What ever happened to Logic Nazi?
Our Founders pulled a fast one on us tho, It is very hard to impeach a good
President who does his job. 67 Senators are needed and I pray to God that he
is merciful to President Clinton. What do we tell the children, Be good, Be
compassionate, and be of a good heart and never hurt another person because
my friend we only come this way once. Life is very short, so find time to find
some one nice to enjoy it with.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
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Message:
"Yes, I would defend him. And I would win."
Another Clinton Defender puts it in perspective for us...
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
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From the Neil Boortz Web Site:
A TINKY WINKY UPDATE While Jerry Falwell is getting his name in
print across America by claiming that Teletubby Tinky Winky is
gay, we've completely missed something in Great Britain! American television is behind the curve on
Teletubby episodes. Maybe as much as eight months to a year
behind. Because of this delay you probably don't
know that Tinky Winky has already been fired from the Teletubby
episodes in England! That's right --- Mr. Winky has been banned
by the BBC because he's GAY! Score one for Jabba the Falwell, I guess.
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Name: Tony Tezak
email: ttiger53@flash.net
Message: When is Hilory Clinton going to go on TV an explain which part of the "Right Wing Conspiracy" caused Bill Clinton to have a sexual encounter in the OVAL OFFICE of the White House! Which "Right Wing Conspiracy" caused Bill Clinton to wag his finger in the face of the American people and say "I did not have sex with that woman." Mrs Clinton certainly has been a women's right advocate and rightlyfully so! Yet, her husband uses women and then trashes them thru other people!
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Name: Lary Pitmun
email: pitmunhotmail@com
Message: 'yes Bill Clinton should remain president of the united states, hell no he shoul not be impeached, he has done real good; what ever hapen, i was not their, what ever the problem was should not have been put in the news media, simple as that.
Name: Last Visible Dog to FreeSpeech
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Message:
I appreciate you toned down rhetoric - nowhere in your message did you mention Nazis or the KKKorCC or UFOs or Elvis or references to Paranoid delusions.
The President is one of the few people who represents all of the people.
Look around - the country is more divided now that every before in my lifetime. A solid 30-40% of Americans believe Clinton is unfit for office. People are publicly advocating violence against members of the opposing party (Carville, Baldwin). Many new Eagle Scouts have refused to accept their certificate because they do not want a criminals signature on it (Bill Clinton). Over 150 newspapers have called for Bill Clinton to resign. The Clinton years will be know for lost opportunities and the creation of great divisions. Of all the president in my lifetime - none has been less successful in united the country - actually Clinton efforts have divided the country.
...and I believe it in my heart he is a very brave man
How can you call a man brave that cheated on his wife and lied to the American people and the courts in a effort to cover-up his transgression and to above possible embarrassment. In my opinion there is nothing brave about him. He chickened out when his country called him for service and he repeatedly lies to avoid taking responsibility - because of this his rate as a weasel in my opinion. It is up to you to like or dislike Clinton - but I don't think a reasoning people could consider him brave.
He made us proud when he visited students in Peking, China
Speak for yourself - I think he looked like a clown in China - he went they to stop them from testing missile and the Chinese laughed at him and test missiles while he was there. I find Clinton foreign policies to be a miserable failure - the world laughs at our joke president.
His Monetary policy is impecable and our economy is doing great.
You love the man so much - you make things up! He doesn't have a monetary policy - he does not make monetary policy decisions. They are made by Greenspan - a Republican appointee. See, you can thank the Republicans for our current economy. We are currently in the longest economic recover in our history - it has been going on for 8 years (I'll do the math for you) that is 2 years before Clinton became president. See, Clinton inherited this good economy - if early on the Congress had not stopped his budget busting Stimulus Plan and Hillary Health Care he would have ruined the Reagan/Bush recovery. The Congress kept Clinton from ruining the great economy he inherited and Clinton reaps the political benefit - isn't life strange.
I pray to God that he is merciful to President Clinton.
Do you think God will be merciful on an unrepentant liar, adulterer, and fornicator? Just a question.
What do we tell the children, Be good, Be compassionate, and be of a good heart…
...and you too can get away with perjury, obstruction of justice and adultery?
Life is very short, so find time to find some one nice to enjoy it with.
...and if you you marry the nice someone and special someone (wife) is unavailable because she is upstairs - grab the nearest intern/male-genital-receptacle and enjoy life with her (love the one you're with!) - and if you get caught you can lie and obstruction the judicial system - it's OK now.
This is not a proud time to be an American.
-LVD
Name: Steven Hill
email: jehillsr@ptd.net
Message: ******PLEASE SOMEONE DO SOMETHING ABOUT OUR HORRIBLE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. WE
NEED REFORM, REFORM, REFORM. PEOPLE ARE ***DYING*** FROM GROSS NEGLECT AND POOR
HANDLING BY INSURANCE COMPANIES, HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, AND INSTITUTIONS. SOCIAL
SECURITY REFORM IS A GOOD CAUSE BUT A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY BEING LOST
THROUGH S.S. IS LOST DUE TO INFLATED PRICES AND MISMANAGEMENT OF HEALTH CARE.
OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. PRAY TO GOD YOU NEVER GET
SICK OR INJURED LIKE MYSELF BUT THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL FINALLY REALIZE
THE HORRIBLE TRUTH OF THIS. OUR SYSTEM IS REALLY THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Andrew hanks
email: billjackhotmail@com
Message: "me as a model citizen, i come to the end of this and all said matters, "Bill Clinton should stay in office as president of the united states, if we look how this has been smeared all over the tv screen, his rights has been, tarnished, yes he needs to remain in office.
Name: Last Visible Dog to Lary Pitmun
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hell no he shoul not be impeached
Hate to break this to you Dude - but you are a day late and a dollar short.
-LVD
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Message: Is this cat Neal Boortz for real or is it a joke?
Name: Fabius to LVD
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Message: Thanks for picking apart the FreeSpeech illogic - he makes me tired and is near mental illness if not there already. By the way, Nazi was mentioned in his post though it makes no sense in the flow of his message - what a surprise. It is towards the end where he asks you, "What ever happened to Logic Nazi?" Maybe subliminally placed I guess.
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Message: Ambrose Evans-Pritchard: Republicans let Clinton off the hook
As for the Republicans, they are too timid, or too enmeshed in Clintonian intrigue themselves, to pursue the real charges. They picked on an Oval Office sex scandal instead.
During Watergate, the trio of press, Congress and the inquisitor (a Democrat partisan and Kennedy protégé) worked together in synergy. As they nudged the story forward, they gradually persuaded a sleepy nation that something was amiss in the Nixon White House.
This time the media are on the sidelines - or fraternising. The Washington Post has been caught feeding media intelligence to the White House Counsel's office. NBC Television is sitting on an interview with an Arkansas woman who was allegedly raped by Bill Clinton. She now admits signing a false affidavit in the Paula Jones lawsuit, under duress.
This is combustible stuff. It is also directly relevant to the impeachment trial, which stems from witness tampering in the same case. NBC may have grounds for caution, but does anybody believe it would have hesitated to strike against Nixon?
Still, the Republicans have only themselves to blame for the bêtise of indicting Mr Clinton on Monica Lewinsky charges. The counts were bound to be mischaracterised as "lying about sex", and bound to serve as a perverse vindication for the President. If that is all his persecutors could find, we keep hearing, there cannot be much else.
But there is so much else. Congress did not have to confine the impeachment to the findings of Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel. By doing so, it became a prisoner of Mr Starr's own subtle agenda. This is not to accuse Mr Starr of conjuring Miss Lewinsky as a distraction, while orchestrating the real cover-up. His actions were never so calculated. But Mr Starr is most assuredly not an "independent" counsel. He is a creature of the Justice Department, where he once served as chief-of-staff. His team in Washington has been dominated by fellow insiders, and he has relied slavishly on the FBI to do the donkey work.
But it is precisely the politicisation of the Justice Department and the FBI that forms the core scandal pervading the abuses of this administration. Mr Clinton began his presidency by firing all senior prosecutors, giving him direct control of the investigative machinery.
He then carried out a putsch at the FBI, sacking its director for the first time in its history. This was taboo. The FBI director is appointed for 10 years, like a judge, to ensure political independence.
Mr Starr has instinctively recoiled from confronting the FBI, limiting his zeal to harmless follies that could be prosecuted without collateral damage. He turned a blind eye when his deputy warned him about an FBI cover-up in the investigation into the death of Vincent Foster, Hillary Clinton's closest friend. Negligently - or worse - he failed to take testimony from key witnesses in the "Filegate" affair, in which the confidential FBI files of more than 900 Republicans were slipped to the White House.
The story is emerging instead from a civil lawsuit. We have learnt that the raw data were fed into computers for purposes of political espionage, at the behest of Mrs Clinton. Had the Republicans folded this into the impeachment inquiry, Americans might have taken a very different view of the current trial. Misuse of the FBI, after all, was Nixon's cardinal sin during Watergate.
But the Republicans have always been skittish about exposing the dirtiest of Mr Clinton's dirty linen, lest their own (lesser) indiscretions come to light. There is a Washington etiquette in these matters, or put another way: they, too, are "mobbed up". That is why, I believe, they backed away from probing whether Mr Clinton knowingly solicited laundered campaign funds from Chinese military intelligence in exchange for restricted missile technology.
It is also why they have been so wary of discussing Mr Clinton's astounding ties to Arkansas's 1980s cocaine king, Dan Lasater. Dig a little and you discover that Arkansas played a role in the Reagan administration's clandestine supply flights to the Nicaraguan Contras, with a messy spill-over into the Dixie Mafia. A forbidden subject. Mr Clinton gets another free pass.
Impeachment is thus reduced to two measly counts on Monica Lewinsky, and the Republicans cannot even get that right. They put on a show trial with a scripted outcome of acquittal, calibrated to wound but not to kill. Undertaken in the wrong spirit, it has turned against them. The Senate Republicans have humiliated their House colleagues by refusing to try the case properly, stripping the impeachment of its legitimacy.
So the man caught red-handed in perjury, obstruction of justice and ungallantly smearing his lover as a demented stalker is hailed as the winner. The world knows that he is guilty, but he is the one enjoying a victory cigar.
What a way to end the 20th century.
Name: LVD
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Message: From the BBC website:
Teletubby mania is expected to get bigger when a new line of toys, different from those available in Britain, is launched in American shops in August. Newspapers in North America have dubbed the stars, with aerials on their heads and televisions in their tummies, the Fab Four. Canada's The Globe and Mail described them as "Barney on drugs", "Care Bears on a hippie commune" or "Ewoks after a lobotomy".
The Washington Post compared the Teletubbies phenomenon to the success of Sesame Street.It said the Fab Four appealed among American children and adults because of their ethnic diversity."Dipsy is black, Po Chinese. And they have somewhat distinct personalities," it said.
"The cloying Laa-Laa is somehow a little harder to take than others. Tinky Winky, the heaviest, looks like an eggplant with cellulite. He also sometimes carries a red purse, which has won him popularity among gay viewers." Elizabeth Knowle, whose son is a Teletubbies fan, shares this view. "There's so much more ethnic diversity of every kind; in skin colour, ethnicity, shapes, size and gender," she said. "The Teletubbies are different colours in their little suits but they are basically all alike. It's funny how that really is striking compared to what you get used to watching American children's programmes."
But Peggy Charen, founder of Action for Children's TV, is worried about its effect on children who have not yet learned to speak. Parents in Britain have voiced similar concerns. "In the beginning I was a little disturbed by the idea that they were was designed for one-year-olds," she said. "I think that the best television for children who have to be propped up to watch it is no television at all."
The teletubby controversy continues! Po is Chinese - this is news to me. "Ewoks after a lobotomy" - I prefer "What happens when children's show writers take a lot of acid"
-LVD
Name: Fabius regarding Teletubbies
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Message: I am working away from my little girl right now and she called me the other day
asking if I liked the Teletubbies and I told her no. She has watched it a few times, but when mom watched it she was stirred that something just wasn't right. When I saw it it was totally evident to me. One, the language is what? When something speaks like that to my baby in todays technologically advanced society, I want to see if there is something being said forward, backward or in subliminal. Sounds wacko? It bothers me knowing that it COULD be meaning something and I don't know what that meaning is. Two, they are genderless and that bothers me too. Three, the baby in the Sun is clear to me. Ask any New Ager about the significance of the Sun to their belief system.
Name: LVD
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More on TubbyGate from the BBC Website:
Who are the Teletubbies? Debates over this very question are raging at British universities. The mischievous theory put forth on an unofficial Tubbies web site is that they are mutants rendered docile and weak-minded from the after-effects of a nuclear holocaust. But series creator Anne Wood says that they are "constructs" and "technological babies"; Viselman says they "know less than a child itself does." Tinky Winky is the tallest Teletubby. His terrycloth hide is purplish-blue and he sports a triangle-shaped antenna. For his frequent cavorting with a clunky red handbag, he has been declared a gay icon. When the periscope says "Trot," he gets it down perfectly. Dipsy, the green Teletubby with a straight antenna, is slightly shorter than Tinky Winky, and reportedly more laid back. His complexion is slightly darker than the other Tubbies. Laa-Laa is yellow and her antenna is a squiggle. She is very happy and likes to dance. In her great moment, she takes "a happy walk." Po is red. Her antenna is a round job (apparently UHF). She is the smallest Tubby and speaks Cantonese. She rides a scooter.
Why does the sun baby watch over Teletubbyland? Babies like to see babies, and just about everyone warms up to a happy gurgling one. His intent expressions and reactions--cooing, shrieking gleefully and smiling--reassure viewers that all is well, or let them know that something is about to happen.
Why do the Teletubbies have TVs in their tummies? This is a device to join Teletubbyland to the real world--to allow children in the audience, and the Teletubbies, to see themselves in short, very simple films.
What are those weird periscope things? These "voice trumpets" tell young viewers to shift gears and listen instead of watch. Davenport's research found that babies have trouble doing both at the same time. When a trumpet emerges from the ground, the Tubbies watch it, and children can expect to hear a voice. The adult voices speak clearly and rhythmically, providing examples of correct speech. The Tubbies' baby talk imitates the early words of children acquiring language, and allows young viewers to identify with their alien cohorts, who are no smarter than they are.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to LVD
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Neal Boortz is a hoot. Picked him up searching for Rush one day on the road.
I caught him on one of his best ten minute,
nearly-screaming-at-the-stupid-liberal-caller rants. Libertarian to the core
and not the least bit afraid of the Political Correctness Police (PCP?).
His main page is here and
this is a link
to the Real Audio page for his station (you DO have the
Free G2 RealPlayer software don't you?) He's
on from 08:30 to 12:00 hours Eastern. You have got to hear this guy.
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Message: Hey Teletubbie Fans,
Name: Bugs Bunny
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Message: Regarding Teletubbies I think we should all go around being naked. If we are asked by the Police
why we dont have any clothes on. We will just say "We aren't taking any
chances".
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Message: WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Clinton administration, risking a blowup on Capitol Hill, says it has the constitutional power to send American ground troops to Kosovo in a NATO peacekeeping force without congressional approval.
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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to whoever...
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Also from the Neal Boortz Page:
WARNING!
Duh! But I do find it interesting that the Gay community is so fond of
this character. Accidental or not, Tinky Winky "has been declared a gay icon"
(see the LVD post above). But then, what the heck has this got to do with Hilla....
ah... nevermind...
Name: Religious Persecution?
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Now that the Religious Right and the CCC don't have Clinton to persecute anymore
they're picking on Tinky. Have they no shame?
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Question for Jerry Falwell"
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Tuesday, February 9, 1999
John McCaslin
"...including the lofty limbs in front of Democratic strategist James Carville's house and the headquarters of the DNC."
2-10-99
DON FEDER
by Don Feder
Wednesday, February 10, 1999
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr came under increased criticism Wednesday as a Democratic senator questioned his conduct of the Monica Lewinsky investigation.
- Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, telling a
group of Yale Law School students that, if he had the chance, he would
defend Adolf Hitler.
Bill Clinton has already been impeached! It happened last year - he is the first elected president to be impeached!
Sorry Dude!
(the Teletubby scandal continues to swirl!)
-LVD
The only good thing he hasn't given Clinton credit for is writing the Constitution, though I am sure that is coming being that he is his god.
IT is time to admit defeat. For the past six years I have been shouting that Bill Clinton is a wicked man, with past ties to organised crime and a tolerance for vicarious violence. I assumed that Americans would catch on to this, and that most would object. For though they are famously slow to anger, they are - or used to be - harsh in judgment. But the fat times have dulled the senses and absolved all sins.
Ex-friends' perjury feud could end in jail for both
The Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Archive
My little one's response to my telling her I didn't like it was to ask me why. I told her because of the baby in the sun, because she would have no understanding of genderless or the language part ..... it is just cute and interesting to her. I had to tell her that I didn't like the baby in the Sun and she said, but God made the baby. This in her 5 1/2 year old logic means she should be able to watch it. I had to explain to her that God did make the baby, and He made the Sun, but he did not make the Sun and Baby to be together like that and that many people that don't believe in One God, believe the Sun is a god. She said oh.
The purple, genderless, gay, triangle, purse stuff is true or it is not, but using wisdom gleaned from knowing there are those attempting to indocrinate, I will err on the side of caution and go with my gut. I certainly understand either side.
If you want to read the BBC stories on the Teletubbies for yourself,
click here
Zippy is reporting unsubstaniated rumours again! As LVD would say, WHERE IS THE PROOF? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?
From the Neil Boortz Web Site:
A TINKY WINKY UPDATE
Jerry Falwell is getting his name in print across America by claiming that Teletubby Tinky Winky is gay, we've completely missed something in Great Britain!
American television is behind the curve on Teletubby episodes. Maybe as much as eight months to a year behind.
Because of this delay you probably don't know that Tinky Winky has already been fired from the Teletubby episodes in England! That's right --- Mr. Winky has been banned by the BBC because he's GAY!
ALL OF THE ABOVE IS NOT TRUE!
Can Tinky be gay if he doesn't have genitals?
Don't believe anything you read on the Net or hear on my
radio show unless
you can confirm it with another source, and/or it is
consistent with what you already know to be true. Yes,
that includes information from this site.
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I just learned about it yesterday. It seems to be a
satirists dream come true. The International Astronomical
Union is polling its members as to whether Pluto should be
identified as a "Transneptunian Object" --and given a TO
number-- or left as a planet. Whoa! Hot stuff and nothing to
do with Bill and Monica. (What a welcome retreat from all the
hoopla! I for one, am bored to death with Bill and Monica!)
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First, what can ya expect but silliness from "union"
members? We know what union members are: they're individuals
who want to get paid as much as possible for doing as little
as possible thereby messing up the holy marketplace and
cheating employers out of their God-given right to shaft
workers. So, instead of doing their astronomical work,
they're all having a big e-mail coffee break to chat about
Pluto being a transexual - or something. OK, so this is a bit
over the top, but at least there's still no Monica and Bill.
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Then I asked myself: who stands to gain from the demotion of
Pluto to a Transneptunian Object? Well, who owns Pluto? Now,
it was "discovered" by Clyde Tombaugh in 1930 (yes, I do do
research), but Walt Disney clearly OWNS Pluto. Say you're in
the Disney planning department dealing with further
Disneyland/worlds beyond Earth. Wouldn't it make sense to put
the first one on property you already own? Furthermore,
wouldn't it make sense to get that property devalued so you'd
have less to pay in solar taxes and so that the regular
inter-PLANETARY rocket lines would be less apt to go there so
you could service Pluto with your own rockets and chargeName:
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