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A Call for Republicans by Larry Rockefeller

I am Larry Rockefeller, a long-time Republican deeply concerned about our party's unrelenting campaign to remove the President from office. Other Republicans around the country with whom I have spoken share this concern. Many are fed up with what seems like an extreme partisan attempt to undo a national election.

The question is: what should we do next? Our views -- let's face it -- have been ignored by our Republican Senators and Representatives, who have refused to censure and move on.

Some Republicans feel that, on a matter of such fundamental importance to our Constitution and nation, we should leave the Republican party. Others feel that it is better to stay Republican and try to bring our party back into the mainstream.

Do I intend to leave the Party? Actually, I feel like the Republican Party has been leaving me, as it moves ever farther to the right. The party that I grew up associating with Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and my uncle, Nelson Rockefeller, has become the party of Tom Delay, Trent Lott, and Ken Starr. My own decision will be informed by this Internet outreach -- learning how other Republicans opposed to impeachment feel about our party and its future.

- Larry Rockefeller, New York, NY


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Name: One last week and it's all over - we hope!

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Message: I heard Hilary was running for NY State Senate. Is this true?


Name: Lori Aronoff

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Message: The Republican Party or shall I say the Conservative Right Wing Christian Coalition Party has walked on our freedom, or shall I say trampled our freedom. If we have a Christian Coalition, why not a Jewish Coalition and a Moslim Coalition, Buddest, etc. What happened to our freedom and our right to privacy? Who put these people in office? Do Republicans realize what they did to the rest of us? How did someone like Starr ever rise to the position he has? We as Americans are outraged, why not just remove him, fire him, where is Janet Reno? It is time to retrieve our nation from the hate mungers. Let us return to sanity.


Name: Fabius to Lori

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Message: We in this forum would appreciate you backing up your comment that, "The Republican Party or shall I say the Conservative Right Wing Christian Coalition Party has walked on our freedom, or shall I say trampled our freedom."How have the Christian Coalition trampled on your freedom miss cliche'?

The blind cannot see and those that have no truth can only throw out propaganda for the rest of the blind to follow.


Name: Fabius to Lori

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Message: Have you heard of the ADL, the Nation of Islam and the NAACP? The Congressional Black Caucus, the Progressive Caucus, Democratic Socialists of America (58 members in the US House of Representatives and SURPRISE...all demoKrats). Though the Republicans are dropping the ball and losing the press war to the party that plays by no rules, they are the only reason Clinton has not turned us inside out and into a TOTAL reversal of fortune.


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Message: Have you heard of the ADL, the Nation of Islam and the NAACP? The Congressional Black Caucus, the Progressive Caucus, Democratic Socialists of America (58 members in the US House of Representatives and SURPRISE...all demoKrats). Though the Republicans are dropping the ball and losing the press war to the party that plays by no rules, they are the only reason Clinton has not turned us inside out and into a TOTAL reversal of fortune.


Name: Fabius

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Message: If you support a womans right to "choose" their own childs death, then you support the mothers right to "choose" murder. Your god supports abortion and murder, mine does not! There are warnings about blasphemy and you know them, yet you "choose" to continue doing it. All of these choices you and the mothers make are what you deny the innocent babies. Your new age belief systems are what will destroy America sooner than you think, but in all honesty I don't think you care Editors. Like Bill and Hillary, you hate what America was built on and try to deny it's Judeo-Christian foundations and precepts. They and you are tools to destroy this country and you will succeed soon enough. What you are working for in has been governed on humans over and over and over again througout history and then this experiment in self government comes along to change it all for the better. It is a government system based on the fact that man will turn to evil eventually, thus the checks and balances. Your precedent and his wife use the Constitution as litter for socks and you hoot and holler their praises for it. It is not a matter of a differing view than mine, but a deep hostility for all that is good and pure evidenced in your support of destruction of those we are called to defend....the innocent.

I half way expect this will get me banned, but who cares at this point. Your arguments are all over the map and you can't even see it. Stay away from Children......PLEASE! Don't teach the little ones any more this satanic gospel of yours.

Matthew 18:6 - "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

I'm tired and very sad for the little ones subjected to the ravening wolves perpetrating the evil and condoning those tha


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Name: Abraham Lincoln

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Message: Its is so obsovious to average person what is going on here in the US Senate. It's absolutely digusting! It is an affront to the U.S. Constitution and our entire system of Justice. I and many others believe that when one group tries to gain control of the government by any means. It is treason and is punishable by death or life imprisionment. The Republicans and Strom Thurmond opposed Federal Civil Rights legislation and fought against desegregation in the South. So, where does Strom Thurmond and other Republicans Congressman come off and vote to remove the President from office. Bigots and racists like a lot of Republicans like Strom Thurmond should not even be allowed to run public office. President Clinton is saint compared to Trent Lott, Bob Barr, Livingston and Strom Thurmond. People have said repeatly that this trial is silly and is going on for too long. What this trial is, is a tragedy, because the very people who are trying so hard to remove the President from office have made a sham out of what was once called a democracy. in our country. Democracy isnt supposed to work this way. The House managers have criticized for too long the President because he didnt uphold his oath of office. They too took an oath to be fair and bipartisian. Ha Nearly every Republican in the US House of Representatives voted to impeach the President and that is going against their oath that they tookand voted in a manner that is strickly partisian as you can get. When the House managers 10 of them stood up in the Senate to present their case against the President there was no doubt and it was obvious they wanted Pres. Clinton out of office so they could take over the government. As far as Judge Renquist is concerned he just sat there as though he was comatose. What kind of justice is this by the a Chief Justice who sees what is really behind all of this and allows the trial to go on and on. Judge Judy could have done a better job! Its dangerous when any political party has the power to try to take over the government along party lines.


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Message: Additionally the Republicans are using President Clinton and his problems as an excuse to take over our government.


Name: Abraham Lincoln

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Message: I too am a Republican and I m outraged at what the conservatives have done to the good image of a once great political party. I like Nelson Rockerfeller and what he stood for. The answer is not to be a part of this hateful religious based group that goes against everything I believe in the Republican party once stood for. Fair play and honesty. Now they are trying emotional blackmail and by saying that they had to sacrifice their time with their children. They the conservatives have raised huge sums of money to gain more power and destroy the Democracy that American men fought for to preserve. People should not be so naive to think that they alone can stop this far right power hungry group. So for the good of our country don't be a party or help the Conservatives in their quest for more political power. The only way to stop them is to vote for the opposition party, the lesser of two evils.


Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Abraham Lincoln"

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Bigots and racists like a lot of Republicans like Strom Thurmond should not even be allowed to run public office.

Then I suggest you get the Constitution changed. It says that pretty much anyone but a criminal (such as a person who committed felony perjury in a Grand Jury for instance) can do so.

Nearly every Republican in the US House of Representatives voted to impeach the President and that is going against their oath that they tookand voted in a manner that is strickly partisian as you can get.

Um, aren't you forgetting something? That also means that almost every Democrat voted not to impeach. Isn't that also "partisan" (as if partisan is a bad thing)? You really ought to think these things through...

When the House managers 10 of them stood up in the Senate to present their case against the President there was no doubt and it was obvious they wanted Pres. Clinton out of office so they could take over the government.

Exactly how is putting AlGore in the Oval Orifice "take[ing] over the government"? Please, think for yourself rather than just spewing the White House Spin.

As far as Judge Renquist is concerned he just sat there as though he was comatose. What kind of justice is this by the a Chief Justice who sees what is really behind all of this and allows the trial to go on and on.

I suggest you actually read the Constitution and you'll see that this trial is primarily a function of the SENATE, not the judiciary. Judge Renquist is doing precisely what he is there to do.

Additionally the Republicans are using President Clinton and his problems as an excuse to take over our government.

Repetition of a lie does not make it true.

The answer is not to be a part of this hateful religious based group that goes against everything I believe in the Republican party once stood for. Fair play and honesty.

In case you haven't noticed, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT! We just want the President to be HONEST! After all, he swore an oath to God to tell the truth and proceeded to tell whopper after whopper!

They the conservatives have raised huge sums of money to gain more power and destroy the Democracy that American men fought for to preserve.

A) At least we didn't take Communist Chinese money under the table and
B) it's a Republic, not a Democracy. Look it up.

For someone claiming to represent Abe Lincoln you certainly are ignorant of the Constitution, the Law and Logic. Subjects Abe was quite familiar with.


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Message: My name is Shirley Harris and I live on a small island of North Wales, United Kingdom. I am a mature student studying Sociology/Women's Studies and would really like to get to know more about Hillary Clinton the lady. Her career obviously had to take second place to being First Lady but how does she feel about this. In magazines, I suppose it's the same in USA as Britain, Hillary Clinton is portrayed as a loving wife, a mother who cares, makes scrambled eggs for her daughter etc. in fact the ideal housewife, but this is not fair, surely she is a career lady in her own right. I am interested in her views as I am writing an essay on how the media portray women in high office for a Media Theory course I have undertaken. Any views would be helpful. I wish Hillary all the best, she is an example to us all. Shirley Harris Miners Bach Penysarn Amlwch Isle of Anglesey LL69 9YR United Kingdom


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Be sure to include a few paragraphs that explain how someone smart enough to turn a $1000.00 "investment" in cattle futures into $100,000.00 in a few weeks (a feat called "miraculous" by those in the futures game) could also be dumb enough to "lose" a stack of billing records (that coincidentally contradict her testimony under oath) for two years. Hillary: Woman of Paradoxical Talents OR Lying, Thieving Shrew? We Report. You Decide.


Name: Bobby (Butch)

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Message: Y'all go, Hillary! Yo'my favorite little honeyboney, you! Run for president, and I'll be your Monica! n' I said YEEE HAAWW!!!


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The Senate trial is nearly over. The partisan Democrat stonewall will protect Bill Clinton. The important point is the Republicans have already won. The winners: The Rule of Law and the Republican Party. The Republicans took on one of the most popular celebrity presidents while the economy was doing great and nearly removed him from office for his wrongdoings - a feat the would have been unthinkable earlier. Future presidents know that they will not be able to get away with having adulterous sex with an employee during business hour and lying to cover it up. Bill Clinton is only the second president to be Impeached and this will stay with him the rest of his life. Most Democrats in the Senate say what the president did disgraced the country and the presidency, was deplorable, disgusting, and the president should be condemned (but he shouldn't be removed from office). Senator Byrd said Clinton is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors but he thinks he should not be removed because he has less than two years to go in his lame-duck term. The Republicans won and forced the president to deal with the rule of law - while he may not be removed form office, he certainly did not get away with it. The Democrats are screaming loudly that the president MUST be censured - this is cover for their stonewall acquit vote for the president. The Democrats know that they will be in deep doo doo in the next election if all they have on their record is a vote for acquit when must Democrats admit he is guilty. The Democrats control the media and the spin but the Republican have won on constitutional issues. Right now the fickle public is supporting Clinton because he is the underdog - come next week, look for his poll number to go in the dumper. America will wake up with the OJ/Clinton hangover and realize what they have done. The Democrats have only had success when they were running as the anti party (anti-Newt, anti-Starr, anti-Impeachment). Come next week they will no longer be the anti party and will have to stand behind their position (perjury is no always illegal, James Carville style attack politics, Larry Flynt style sex police). The Democrats failed miserably in the first two Clinton years because they control everything and couldn't be the anti party. In 2000, you can almost guarantee a Republican president and unless the Democrat pull a non-attack agenda out of their be-hinds, the congress will also be controlled by the Republicans. Hold your heads up Republicans - it may not have been perfect but the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and the Republicans won. The PR match goes to the Democrats and the Rule of Law/ Constitution match goes to the Republicans. I am going to enjoy the next few months - watching the Democrats flap in the breeze of their own making.

-LVD


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Message: Its good to see my boys censoring democracy. My philosphy is to trample over good people for the good of the Country. A dictatorship is the best kind of government because the people are weak and stupid blinded by their jobs, excessive freedoms and toys. A dictatorship is a more effective because people like authority and can relate to it these days. The individual is dead. Long live the state. Power to the state. We have the military the national guard, and and the police. We also regulate who has a gun. We will destroy anybody or anyone who gets in our way.


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Message: Dont you just love it us Republicans now have the power and we will whitewash the population with the rightousness of our causes lower taxes and less government and they the dumb Americans will eat it up. Heil Hitler. Power to a strong government. Down the weak democracy. It was an experiment that failed. We are so strong and have the backing of the rich and powerful people and we now own the communications network to supply our truth and justice to the world. Heil Hitler!


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Message: We fooled everyone including the Catholics by providing abortion as immoral. We won the hearts and minds of every Catholic. Heil Hitler!


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Message: The power of the government is ours now and we will win in 2002 and 2004. We have the money and the organinzation to get elected and no one dares to oppose us or we will sue them. Heil Hitler!


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Message: My friends Zippy and Last Visible Dog are so good at what they do. We will continue to speak out because the average American is dumb, brain dead from working or paying his bills. and we always make good sense. Heil Hitler. Power to the state. The indiviual is weak and cannot fight our might.


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Message: The Democrats still have a President, but we will win, and have a Republican as for President and then we will have the absolute power to do as we wish. Heil Hitler!


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Message: By getting in Al Gore, as Presidnt before 2000. We will have an easy win in the year 2000, because we can slander him and accuse of any thing to weaken him and make it easy for any Republican Candidate to win in the Year 2000. Heil Hitler!


Name: Abraham Lincoln

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Message: What do you call, when a Southern Governor stands in the doorway of a school or State University and refuses to let a black student enter the school building in spite of the fact the Supreme Court had already ruled it unconstitutional. not to allow any black person to attend the same school as a white person? That is not a crime and since when is ignoring a US Supreme Court order legal and the people who did not allow the blacks in are not fit to be in a public office. And, yes I did my research on Strom Thurmond and can back up what I say. He is a racist and he admitted it and he is for States Rights. I grew up in the South and saw first hand what the injustices of some white people against most or all of the black people. Last Visible Dog, you are wrong because people like Strom Thurmond did not uphold the US Constitution and therefore are not fit to hold a government postion. If they the racists are allowed to act this way, where does it end?


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My friends Zippy and Last Visible Dog are so good at what they do. We will continue to speak out because the average American is dumb, brain dead from working or paying his bills.

God you're ignorant. The "vast majority of Americans" want Clinton to go free while at the same time they admit he committed Perjury and Obstructed Justice. This is the result of Liberal Spin (a.k.a. "Lies") and the complacency brought on by good times and bad education. We now have a President that 80 percent of the public believes lied under oath and got others to do the same for him in order to rob Paula Jones of her Constitutional right to a fair trial. Meet President O. J. Clinton. Get a clue Moron, America lost this war, not just the Conservatives.

P.S. We are "so good at what [we] do" because we have the Constitution, the Law, Logic and Truth on our side (as opposed to Emotion, Propaganda and Spin).


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Message: It is now like a movie, us Republicans are censoring the American's Public right to know. We now have power to release information that we want them to hear and hide behind closed doors when we don't want them to hear. Ha Ha Dumb Stupid Americans we will win. Heil Hitler!


Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Abraham Lincoln"

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What do you call, when a Southern Governor stands in the doorway of a school or State University and refuses to let a black student enter the school building in spite of the fact the Supreme Court had already ruled it unconstitutional. not to allow any black person to attend the same school as a white person?

A Mistake. Which you conveniently forgot that the Governor in question later admitted and regretted and spent the rest of his life trying to make up for. More half-truths (a.k.a. Lies) from the Left.


Name: Abraham Lincoln

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Message: We cannot afford to have any known racists or bigots like Strom Thurmond in public office, if we are going to have freedom, justice and democracy for all of the people.


Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to the Brain Dead Hitler Dude

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It is now like a movie, us Republicans are censoring the American's Public right to know.

You can't be a Republican! Republicans are educated enough to write grammatically correct and coherent sentences. Get a clue (or at least an education).


Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Abraham Lincoln"

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We cannot afford to have any known racists or bigots like Strom Thurmond in public office, if we are going to have freedom, justice and democracy for all of the people.

Don't you think that's for the voters to decide? Or would you rather have some governmental bureaucracy limit out right to choose for ourselves (you know, like they used to do in the USSR)?


Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

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Message: Oops, correction: "our right".


Name: Abraham Lincoln

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Message: You have missed the point completely you moron, He, Wallace should have never done what he did and Strom Thurmond never admitted he was wrong, but President Clinton has admitted many time that what he did was wrong. Now lets talk about the KKK. and their new group the CCC who have many members who are bigots, racist, murderers and bastartds who will not stop until they have all of the three branches of government under their control. Zippy, you are so stupid, naive, dumb and a willing accomplice to the hate groups in this country. Again you have missed the point on Wallace. In 1963, at his Wallace's inaguraaion he pledged "Segregation now, Segregation tomorrow, and Segregation forever." By standing in the doorway of a school and denouncing Federal Court orders to end school segregation, he became a HERO to opponents of integration. This is an example of the danger of having people like him (today the CCC) in public office. The Klan could do as they pleased because the Governor, himself did what he pleased and had no respect for the United States Supreme Court. Compared to Wallace and Strom Thurmond, President Clinton is a saint. That is the point I want to make.


Name: Abraham Lincoln

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Message: Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children. Well, my mother told me when I asked as a small child what are those people in the back of the bus. She said that is the way the state government wants it to be, but, she also said it is wrong and unfair. The state governmens in the South weren't worried what the children were thinking then, so it BULLSHIT when people like Henry Hyde and other bigoted Republicans say how do we explain what is happening to President Clinton to the children. Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then. People have to be carefully taught to hate and learn hatred from their parents.


Name: Abraham Lincoln

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Message: Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children. Well, my mother told me when I asked as a small child what are those people in the back of the bus. She said that is the way the state government wants it to be, but, she also said it is wrong and unfair. The state governmens in the South weren't worried what the children were thinking then, so it BULLSHIT when people like Henry Hyde and other bigoted Republicans say how do we explain what is happening to President Clinton to the children. Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then. People have to be carefully taught to hate and learn hatred from their parents.


Name: Abraham Lincoln

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Message: Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children. Well, my mother told me when I asked as a small child what are those people in the back of the bus. She said that is the way the state government wants it to be, but, she also said it is wrong and unfair. The state governmens in the South weren't worried what the children were thinking then, so it BULLSHIT when people like Henry Hyde and other bigoted Republicans say how do we explain what is happening to President Clinton to the children. Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then. People have to be carefully taught to hate and learn hatred from their parents.


Name: Abraham Lincoln

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Message: Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children. Well, my mother told me when I asked as a small child what are those people in the back of the bus. She said that is the way the state government wants it to be, but, she also said it is wrong and unfair. The state governmens in the South weren't worried what the children were thinking then, so it BULLSHIT when people like Henry Hyde and other bigoted Republicans say how do we explain what is happening to President Clinton to the children. Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then. People have to be carefully taught to hate and learn hatred from their parents.


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What do you call, when a Southern Governor stands in the doorway of a school or State University and refuses to let a black student enter the school building in spite of the fact the Supreme Court had already ruled it unconstitutional. not to allow any black person to attend the same school as a white person?

I would call that Southern Governor - George Wallace, a DEMOCRAT!

That is not a crime and since when is ignoring a US Supreme Court order legal and the people who did not allow the blacks in are not fit to be in a public office.

You are correct, the southern Democrats were at one time shameless racists and separatists.

And, yes I did my research on Strom Thurmond and can back up what I say. He is a racist and he admitted it and he is for States Rights.

You may have do some research - but you better check your dates. Strom Thurmond is 96 years old, in the 40's he could be considered racist - even he admits it now. But Strom changed his perspective is the 50's and 60's (most likely way before you were born). People do change their minds and we should honor and support this (it is our only real hope). I am not a big fan of Strom though I think it is amazing that someone that old can be that connected and have that busy of a schedule. If you think Storm is currently a racist (within the last 40 years) please present evidence because I think you are wrong.

Last Visible Dog, you are wrong because people like Strom Thurmond did not uphold the US Constitution and therefore are not fit to hold a government postion.

What are you talking about? When did Strom Thurmond NOT uphold the Constitution? (I hope you are not implying he was the Governor that blocked the door of school - Storm Thurmond was never a Governor. You cats on the left are so blinded by hate that you don't even bother learning or understanding the facts.

If they the racists are allowed to act this way, where does it end?

Accusing someone of being a racist is a serious charge and must be dealt with seriously. Please present you supporting evidence for the above statement. If you can not present supporting evidence - you will prove that your diatribe was just more liberal baseless slander.

I consider it blasphemy for a hateful liberal to use the name Abraham Lincoln - nevertheless it is not up to me. You have about as much in common with Lincoln as Jeffery Domer has with Julia Child.

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President Clinton has admitted many time that what he did was wrong.

Bill Clinton has never even admitted he committed perjury or obstructed justice. Conservatives couldn't care less whom Bill committed adultery with. That is between him, Hillary and God. Perjury and Obstruction of Justice is a matter for the courts!

Zippy, you are so stupid, naive, dumb and a willing accomplice to the hate groups in this country.

As if you care enough to look at my past posts or ask the Editors, I have repeatedly denounced racism (and all other forms of ignorance).

Compared to Wallace and Strom Thurmond, President Clinton is a saint. That is the point I want to make.

Bill Clinton: Patron Saint of Adultery, Perjury, Obstruction of Justice, Abortion, The Welfare State, Socialist Investment Schemes, and Lying. Some Hero! He is not only devoid of a conscience, his policies would destroy this country. If not for the intelligence of the Voters (who put the Republicans in charge in the last three elections) he may well have destroyed the very economy that keeps him in office. The Irony of it all....

Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children.

We'll tell them that hating others only because they are different is stupid and evil but it is not illegal. Perjury is illegal. Obstruction of Justice is illegal. The law is the only protection the victims of racism have in a civilized society. Bill Clinton violated the Civil Rights of Paula Jones and then attempted to rob her of her right to a fair trial! So much for your "leaders" views on Civil Rights. Once the rule of law is gone no one will be safe from pigs like him. Better get your own house in order today before condemning our houses past!


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Forgot my own moniker on that last one (aimed at "Dishonest Abe").


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Now lets talk about the KKK. and their new group the CCC who have many members who are bigots, racist, murderers and bastartds who will not stop until they have all of the three branches of government under their control.

Put up or shut up dim wit - present evidence that the CofCC has ANY connection to the KKK. Next, present evidence that the CofCC contains bigots, racists, murderers and bastards (BTW - moron, bastard only has one "t"). Do you understand that this level of slander can get you in deep doo doo - claiming somebody is a murderer is serous business. We on this forum eagerly await your presentation of supporting evidence and we all understand that if you do not present evidence than you are just another brain-dead, uneducated, slanderous, hatefilled liberal.

By standing in the doorway of a school and denouncing Federal Court orders to end school segregation, he became a HERO to opponents of integration.

First off, Wallace was a Democrat. Second, where is the connection with Strom Thurmond (they were both Democrats at the time?). BTW - I misspoke earlier - Strom Thurmond was Governor of South Carolina (as a Democrat). Strom Thurmond became a Republican in 1964 about the same time he changed his civil rights perspective. Now if morons like you did a bit of homework you would know that Strom Thurmond was the first southern Senator to hire black staff members and appoint blacks to high positions (as a Republican) - THE FIRST!!!! - this is strange activity for a modern member of the KKKofCC or whatever you have invented in your warped little mind. Look - it is obvious you are another hatefilled angry liberal (like the Hitler bozo) spewing baseless, slanderous lies.

By standing in the doorway of a school and denouncing Federal Court orders to end school segregation, he became a HERO to opponents of integration. This is an example of the danger of having people like him (today the CCC) in public office.

Moron, the person that stood in the doorway was Wallace - a Democrat. Wallace is currently dead so you will not have to worry about him holding office. I am a little confused - you compare Wallace, a Democrat, to the CCC - while a person like Wallace can hold office, how does a group hold office - like, do all the 15,000 members of the CofCC set in a single seat in congress? Does the ballot contain "CofCC" or does it list 15,000 names - I am confused, explain how your paranoid delusion is supposed to work.

The Klan could do as they pleased because the Governor, himself did what he pleased and had no respect for the United States Supreme Court.

And the Democrats should be ashamed that a member of their party acted that way - what does that have do with anything - your paranoid delusion is, ah, paranoid and deluded.

Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children.

OK, hatefilled liberal - present the evidence for your slanderous statement about Hyde or admit you are a brain-dead, baseless, slanderous, lying moron.

Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then.

Thurmond is back in you paranoid delusion - what connected does Wallace and Thurmond have and what relevance does it have to anything that happened in the last 30 years?

Don't you find it funny - the editor desperately tries to claim the right is full of hate but every moron that spews hatred, lies, and paranoid delusions on this forum is a card-carrying member of the liberal left. All I can say is: Actions speak louder than words.

You rabid hatefilled liberals need to chill - life is too short to hate with such intensity.

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CARVILLE WARNS: 'I HAVE SOME UNFINISHED BUSINESS'

When his impeachment trial ends, President Clinton will not surround himself with grinning Democrats and declare himself exonerated, his aides tell Tuesday's NEW YORK TIMES.

"There's nothing to celebrate here," Paul Begala tells the paper. "Saying that you win this is like saying you win an earthquake. You survive it and you rebuild."

But not all Clinton supporters are going for a rebuild.

"I'll go ahead and let the true visionaries move on to the next millennium, I have some unfinished business in this one," James Carville warns.

Carville, who once told the NEW YORK DAILY NEWS that independent counsel Ken Starr is "one more mistake away from not having any kneecaps," cautioned that the end of the trial did not mean the end of the controversy surrounding Clinton.

"I'm not on the forgive-and-forget battalion," Carville declares to Tuesday's TIMES. "It ain't over till it's over."

What could the hate filled liberal Democrats have in mind? Will James Carville break Starr's knee-caps like he threatened? Will Alec Baldwin kill Henry Hyde along with his wife and children like he threatened? Will the sex-obsessed Democrats sniff through the underwear drawers of more Republican is a search of more bedroom-dirt? Will Larry Flynt become the head of DNC?


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Only in the fantasy world of politics could Democratic members of the U.S. Senate -- on the eve of ´´forgiving´´ Bill Clinton for his legacy of lies -- call on the Justice Department to investigate whether, in the course of their investigation, one of his aides lied.

It seems that Sidney Blumenthal, Mr. Clinton´s minister of disinformation, may have been less than truthful when he said that he was not the source of ´´White House leaks´´ defaming Ms. Monica Lewinsky. After testifying before the Senate last week that he did not disseminate the ´´Lewinsky as presidential stalker´´ story, a reporter, Mr. Christopher Hitchens, has come forward with information to the contrary.

The question, of course, is not whether Mr. Blumenthal committed perjury, but why the outrage in the Senate? Consummate Clinton defender Dianne Feinstein said, ´´I would hope that he isn´t lying. I think if he is, it´s serious.´´ ´´Serious´´? Really?

The Democrats´ hypocrisy is now so brazen as to be utterly preposterous. The extent of that hypocrisy is summed up in these words spoken by Robert ´´ Conscience of Senate´´ Byrd just two days ago: ´´It will be very difficult to stand and say ´not guilty´ -- very difficult. Who´s kidding whom here? ... I have no doubt that he has given false testimony under oath and that he has misled the American people. There are indications that he did indeed obstruct justice.´´

In almost the same breath, Sen. Byrd then said that he would not vote to convict Mr. Clinton: ´´In these remaining two years (of Clinton´s presidency), I can turn my back on this. I can close this as a chapter. I think we all ought to do that and think of the healing of the country.´´ So, why does he think Mr. Blumenthal´s case should be referred to the Justice Department?

The House managers have done their Constitutional duty. Rep. Bill McCollum says that, ´´this president should be removed from office because we´ve proven perjury and obstruction of justice, that he did engage in all of this in order to defeat the claims of Paula Jones in her civil suit´´ charging Clinton with sexual harassment. Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner concluded, ´´I think the legacy of this trial was the fact that the Democrats took the hard line of ignoring the criminal activity of one of their own rather than viewing the evidence objectively.´´

The editors of the Wall Street Journal note, ´´The Founders did not write the impeachment clauses so their successors 200 years later could wrestle with hypertechnical interpretations of the current state of perjury law. ... This President, his lawyers and his apologists have left a whole nation confused, and divided, over which of our laws means what.´´ Indeed they have. But isn´t that the objective of liberalism -- to advance a worldview devoid all of meaning and consequence?

In the final analysis, Mr. Byrd and his colleagues are kidding themselves. And we are left with one aching question: If guilty, will Mr. Blumenthal´s sentence be two more years in the White House?


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Weekly Standard
2-15-99 David Tell

E D I T O R I A L 2.15.99

Guilty As Charged

This week, the American people, acting through their senators in Washington, will formally choose to retain Bill Clinton as president for the remainder of his elected term. What this decision might imply for our nation's culture and politics is no doubt an almost endless question. The White House scandal of 1998-99 will hang over us-whether or not we realize it, or want it to-for years to come.

In at least one no less ominous respect, however, the meaning of Clinton's acquittal is already clear. We are speaking here of the de minimis standards of integrity imposed on the federal government's executive branch. We would not have thought this a matter of dispute between competing philosophies of conservatism and liberalism. We would not have thought it possible. But it is now a great deal more than possible. It is an inescapable fact: There are certain circumstances, it turns out, in which public opinion-sustained by a nearly unanimous Democratic party-is prepared to accept obvious felony crimes by the president of the United States.

This seems to us a rather important point. The president's crimes are obvious. They are obvious even where the Washington press and political establishment-despite their self-professed and much-bemoaned "obsession" with the controversy-have so far failed to discern them. Consider, for example, what is widely considered the less persuasive of the two impeachment articles against the president: grand jury perjury. Consider, for that matter, what is widely considered the least persuasive element of this less persuasive charge: the suggestion that Bill Clinton perjured himself by postdating the inception of his "inappropriate intimate contact" with Monica Lewinsky.

Lewinsky has always been unequivocal on this point, and she reconfirmed it during her Senate deposition last Monday. The affair began on November 15, 1995, during the week-long "government shutdown" fight with Congress. At around 8 p.m., on a trip to the ladies' room, Lewinsky passed by George Stephanopoulos's West Wing office and noticed Clinton inside. Though the two had barely ever spoken before-she had done little more than introduce herself or wish him a "nice trip" at South Lawn departure ceremonies-the president beckoned her to join him. In a matter of minutes, she flashed him her famous thong panties and they drifted over to Clinton's private Oval Office hallway for a kiss.

Sometime over the course of the next two hours, thinking ahead, Lewinsky removed her thong. At around 10 p.m., the president again invited her to meet him in Stephanopoulos's office, from which they again walked to the hallway complex near the Oval Office. This time, as Paula Jones's attorneys would say, Clinton touched Lewinsky "with the intent to gratify." She was gratified, she later reported to the FBI, and she gratified the president in return-while he had an extended phone conversation with a member of the House of Representatives. At the end of which, the president said good-bye to his intern and went upstairs for dinner with his wife.

Why would Clinton behave this way with Monica Lewinsky? Perhaps, Lewinsky later mused to FBI investigators, "the president's regular girlfriend had been furloughed" by the budget battle and was temporarily stuck at home, unable to do her duty.

The president, for his part, says he did not behave this way. Not, at least, with so much desperate speed, and not so early as November 15, 1995. In a prepared statement read at the start of his grand jury appearance last August, Clinton acknowledged past personal wrongdoing with the young lady and expressed regret that "what began as a friendship" eventually-in "early 1996," no sooner-"came to include this conduct."

Now, nobody believes him about this, not even, we suspect, his own attorneys. But the question has only ever been: Does it matter? And the White House has always insisted, to great effect with congressional and media observers alike, that it does not. It is "an utterly meaningless disparity in testimony about dates that are of absolutely no consequence whatsoever," special counsel to the president Gregory Craig told the Senate on January 20. At worst, Clinton's defenders contend, the president fudged the chronology of his sexual relationship with an intern simply to avoid admitting one final, humiliating truth: that "what began as a friendship," based on their mutual interest in Lewinsky's g-string underwear, "came to include" some quickie sex acts-in the space of an hour and a half.

Petty vanity like this, all seem to be agreed, is not a criminal, much less impeachable, offense.


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Remember the immutable laws of physics by which this president's habit of mendacity is maintained. A Clinton lie typically expands to encompass all creation: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky." The gasball of dishonesty only contracts, if ever, when challenged by overwhelming contradictory evidence: "The chance that the semen is not the president's," in the immortal words of the Starr impeachment referral, "is one in 7.87 trillion." And under such rare pressure, a Clinton falsehood does something sadly predictable: It atomizes into a whole series of brand-new falsehoods, each designed to defend the proposition that the president wasn't really lying in the first place.

This is the man's essential character. And when he is under investigation for perjury, the imperatives of his character and the requirements of his criminal defense merge neatly into a single impulse. He lies because he absolutely has to. As he has had to lie about what he did with Monica Lewinsky, and when.

In his Jones litigation deposition in January 1998, when he was first asked whether he'd ever met with Lewinsky in the White House, Clinton said yes and volunteered that he'd seen her "two or three" times "when the Republican Congress shut the government down"-that is, during the third week of November 1995. The president clearly intended this to be taken as an innocent explanation: "The whole White House was being run by interns," he elaborated, "and she was assigned to work back in the chief of staff's office."

Were you and Lewinsky ever together in the hallway adjacent to the Oval Office, Clinton was asked a few moments later? They were never alone, he suggested in reply, but she had once been "back there with a pizza that she brought to me and to others." The president was not questioned about when this pizza delivery might have taken place. Again, he volunteered that information, and again, he placed the event in the third week of November 1995. It had been "during the government shutdown," Clinton offered, "when Ms. Lewinsky was still an intern but working the chief of staff's office because all the employees had to go home."

If Monica Lewinsky "told someone that she had a sexual affair with you beginning in November 1995, would that be a lie?" Clinton was finally asked, as this portion of his Jones deposition wound to a close. "It's certainly not the truth," he responded. "It would not be the truth."

This last assertion was a bald-faced lie, of course. And it was one lie the president could not possibly amend or expand before the grand jury last August. His sworn January denial of a "sexual affair" with Lewinsky had been open-ended; the infamous, tortuously restricted definition of "sexual relations" had been introduced only later in the Jones deposition. Nor could Clinton now claim to have had a memory failure about sexual activity in November 1995. Without prompting by the Jones lawyers, he had freely recalled the nature of his contact with Lewinsky in that period, almost to the day. No man remembers pepperoni but forgets the oral sex that came with it.

This, then, was the pickle that confronted Bill Clinton in August 1998. He would be forced-by Lewinsky's blue dress-to admit that he had had some sort of "sexual affair" with her. But he could not concede a further truth-that it had indeed been sex "beginning in November 1995"-without implicating himself in a prior perjury. So what did he do? He told the grand jury that the relationship had not turned intimate until two months later, in January 1996.

Motive, means, opportunity, materiality, falsehood: grand jury perjury. Here again, even here, Clinton is guilty as charged.

And yet he will be acquitted on what seems certain to be a near-party-line Senate vote. A majority of Americans will tell pollsters that they are pleased at this result, but distressed at the "partisan" process by which it was achieved. This magazine will continue to take an almost opposite view. It is a matter of considerable honor that the Republican party, alone among major American institutions, has proved stubbornly unwilling to acquiesce in a president's felonies. The Democratic party's performance, by contrast, is a disgrace of stunning magnitude. As a consequence of this sharp partisan divide, the question whether a president really is obliged to obey the law remains open to future political debate. That is the only small note of hope, it seems to us, in the outcome of this entire ugly mess.


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Judicial Watch
02/09/99 Judicial Watch

SENATE REPUBLICANS TO HOLD IMPEACHMENT "DELIBERATIONS" BEHIND CLOSED DOORS

From day one, with a few limited exceptions, such as Bob Barr, Republicans have never wanted to impeach and convict Bill Clinton. Instead, the "conventional wisdom" was only to begin and conduct a limited proceeding -- concerning only the Lewinsky matter -- to weaken his Presidency and Party during the 1998 election cycle, and leading up to the elections in the year 2000. This explains why, despite pleas from conservatives and others, House Republicans never allowed Chinagate, Filegate and the other Clinton scandals to enter into the "equation." These scandals, if permitted to be a part of the impeachment proceedings, would have doomed Clinton's Presidency and forced him to leave office in the interests of justice. So too would have even a limited Lewinsky inquiry, if the House had allowed investigation of the various threats made by Clinton to the women, such as Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Jane Doe #5, and others who have come forward to speak the truth about the President. In short, House Republicans, by keeping the impeachment proceedings much too limited, sowed the seeds of their ultimate defeat.

Senate Republicans, without exception, have never been sincere in any respect in their actions. Limiting the inquiry to just "sex, lies and videotapes," and conducting a trial with only 3 witnesses, Senate Republicans have perverted justice and conducted a sham proceeding. Now they want to again go behind closed doors to deliberate on the verdict, so the public will not know about their discussions with Democrats to "save face" for their cowardly refusal to uphold the rule of law. One can only surmise that behind "closed doors," Republicans are begging Democrats to get the message to Larry Flynt, James Carville, Sidney Blumenthal and the other "dirt diggers" of the Administration not to "out" them during this interim period of retreat from their Constitutional duty.

"The political games of the Republican Party are transparent. Conservatives will not forget this outrage, and perversion of our legal process," declared Judicial Watch Chairman Larry Klayman. "Democrats are responsible for their gross dishonesty, but the role of the opposition Party is to make sure that the guilty are held accountable," he added.


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Message: What "Rule of Law" are your referring to? I never saw any Rule of Law, I just saw partisan politics. No self-respecting lawyer would support the unfair tactics in the House and Senate as Rule of Law. This Rule of Law is like nothing we have every seen in a court. You are dreaming LVD.

What you Republicans want is to label us Democrats as immoral because we did not crucify Clinton for the blowjobs. That's OK. It's better than Republicans who will go down in history for invasion of our privacy which is not only immoral but also unconstitutional. We have a larger view of immorality and illegality than blowjobs and coverups. We're not stuck on sex as the only basis upon which to define morality.


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You are not only immoral, but you are increasingly pitiful as you continue to defend the lie!


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You must know the significance of this city to your cause FreeSpeech. As you hide behind your white coned hat and kkkape spewing your hate, you should think about switching sides and repenting like two other prominent demonrats you are fixated on.


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Message: Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children. Well, my mother told me when I asked as a small child what are those people in the back of the bus. She said that is the way the state government wants it to be, but, she also said it is wrong and unfair. The state governmens in the South weren't worried what the children were thinking then, so it BULLSHIT when people like Henry Hyde and other bigoted Republicans say how do we explain what is happening to President Clinton to the children. Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then. People have to be carefully taught to hate and learn hatred from their parents.


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Message: Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children. Well, my mother told me when I asked as a small child what are those people in the back of the bus. She said that is the way the state government wants it to be, but, she also said it is wrong and unfair. The state governmens in the South weren't worried what the children were thinking then, so it BULLSHIT when people like Henry Hyde and other bigoted Republicans say how do we explain what is happening to President Clinton to the children. Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then. People have to be carefully taught to hate and learn hatred from their parents.


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Message: Obviously the editors of this forum are extremely biased in favor of hate speech. Most of those diatribes by "hitler" were full of the hate speech the editors do not want on this forum, but they saw fit to delete my message to them on abortion. In any event, democrats support: Immorality, lying under oath, sexual harassment, and obstruction of justice.


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Message: I found my facts about Strom Thurmond in the World Book Encyclopedia. And it was Wallace who stood in the doorway. I did not say it was Strom Thurmond. Originally Strom Thurmond was a Democrat but when the mainstream Democrats didn't like his views he bolted from the regular Democratic Party and started a States Right Party called the Dixie Crats. He even ran for President in 1948 and lost. Then he joined the Republican Party becaue he found some members who shared his bigoted beliefs. He is still a Republican and should been tossed out for openly seeking a public office while being a white supremist. Check it out in the World Book Encyclopedia you know nothing white supremist. Secretly, and clandestinely the CCC has infested the Republican Party. This is the real story, not the baloney the Republicans keep trying to say. They the Republicans and a lot of them are fools and bigots and should be voted out of office.


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Message: Who are the CCC they are a nazi like group who hate blacks like Bob Barr Tom Deloy a real @$$*^*^*%^** if there was ever one. And there is Jerry Foulmouth Falwell and all the baloney thrower Republicans trying to save their Hides in the next election. Henry Hyde is a known adulterer so is Livingston These scum have been after Clinton because he is a good man protects the blacks from the KKK. excuse me the CCC. They are small minded bigots, mostly from the South and this country shouldnt have to put up with them and any one who ignores them is naive. Once you start down this path Nazism becomes possible. So take your crosses and put them $$@#$@#$#*&*&^*. From earlier times you Southern bigots have tried to white wash your hate and you got away with it till Uncle Toms Cabin and I put the end of it. If Sherman has to go South again so help me he will and he will stop at every CCC members yard and burn their house down and hang their bigoted necks on the nearest tree. You must be a bigot masquerading as a saint. We good American must become aware of these bigots and zealots and hypocrites. They seek power to rule us. Look how far they have gotten. Danger! Danger!


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Message: Im getting the point it is racism, not President Clinton and I must admit the Republicans have acted strangely and in an undemocratic manner in pursuing this case of impeachment.


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What you Republicans want is to label us Democrats as immoral because we did not crucify Clinton for the blowjobs.

Please show where the word "blowjobs" appears in the articles of impeachment handed down by the Senate or stop repeating this ridiculous lie. If we wanted to "label [you] Democrats as immoral" we could do so based solely on your determination to keep infanticide legal. What we Republicans really want to do is trust our president not to tell whoppers anytime it suits him. What we Republicans really want to do is have a president that obeys the law even when it might embarrass him. What we Republicans really want to do is to have a president that more than two in five Americans can be proud of (note the recent Zogby poll below).

Are you proud or ashamed that Bill Clinton is President?
Proud40.1
Ashamed42.2
Not sure17.7

Is that really asking so much?


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It is not just 30 years but many centuries of injustices upon the blacks I speak of...

Got a research project for you and that World Book Encyclopedia of yours:
Just who sold those slaves into slavery to start with and what percentage of those slaves were sold in the United States? The answers might just surprise you since you seem to be a prime example of public "education".


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All men are created equal with inalieable rights, among these are Life, Libery and the pursuit of happiness. The best sentence ever written by a human being.

And, as a Liberal, how do you feel about the fact that legalized abortion denies the unborn all three?


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All men are created equal ...

Except for this President?

A plaque, on his house.

Although you've obviously lost your reason and your respect for equal treatment under law, it's good to see you haven't lost your sense of humor.


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Message: Dear honorable First Lady,I"m a boy from Chiangmai Thailand,where once you have visited.I work as a volunteer for taking care of orphans in Chiangmai. I read your book "IT TAKE A VILLAGE AND OTHER LESSONS CHILDREN TEACH US",,this book is my inspiration to help children.In Thailand people ignore to give good love to orphans. As I believe that the way to improve my nation is to improve children.I'm now a third year university student,every evening and weekend, I always go to orphanage to work as a translater for foriegner visitors.More time I'm being with children,much more I love them.Children's mind is so pure,so this purify mine ,too. If all Thai governers read your book,I think that Thai can be great like your country,too.Hope you will visit my country again.Even my country has economic crisis,I do not afraid.Because you can help us, IT TAKES A WORLD TO RAISE MY COUNTRY" With Honors,Pruk Puttayot


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Message: It is clear you are racist and swim in the mire of your own delusions. Since you are a sympathist for the immoral and spout lies and slander I am sure you find that OJ killed his wife because he loved her so much. Bill only abused ANOTHER mans daughter, not his own. That would be immoral. Now, wanna try stabilizing your brain chemistry? I am sure you can find drugs for free at any government clinic. Heck, you are obviously a minor by your rantings and immature ravings about topics you have not a clue about. In the demonrat world you don't need parental consent for abortion so just ask someone, a sympathizer at a clinic, whisper in their ear .... bill is god ... to a demonrat of course, and they will provide. Ask for a clean needle paid for by tax payers in the redistribution of wealth provided for you by the Democratic Socialists in the House of Representatives. Condoms, cannibus, abortion ..... anything! The demonrats will provide you now and into the future that America's first King once reigned, before the fall.

You can even grow up to experiment on living and dead babies in Adolf Clinton's world. Maybe you can go to Rwanda to view with pride the lives of the 100,000 children that were separated from their parents, the 500,000 plus AFRICANs massacred in a genocidal effort that he ignored and sent aid to later. Oh he did condemn it though. All the while bill was doing someones little girl. You could advise him during his next scandal to bomb a different African country to avert attention away from himself and his vile putrid behavior. You can be a part in sending more of our boys and girls to defend the UN after listening to Hillary who was counseled in the politics of meaning by Magaziner and Eleanor Roosevelt. Yes, I speak to the dead, follow me! And you will you lemming.

The only reason Hitler succeeded was because he had blind followers singing his praises while in the secret rooms he devised plans to control them. You dupe, you moron, you poor poor fool. The only thing we have as humans to determine the trustworthiness of our leaders is their actions and his are abhorant to every God fearing person on earth.

We know the truth, racism is evil and the KKK was one of the most powerful forces of evil in the South until a Republican President led the defeat of the South in the Civil War. You soil and sully the name of Abraham Lincoln speaking on his behalf as if he would even stand in the same room with that animal in the once awed White House. Bill is an animal living by instincts having no self control and all you can do is go retro to the 50's and 60's and point to one man over and over again. Come here to 99 Splooge!

You are being dismantled piece by piece by the man you worship ....... for it is only worshippers that can be this blind.

Quit hiding you spinless robot .... come out FreeSplooge.


Name: Fabius to FreeSpeech....

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Message: It is clear you are racist and swim in the mire of your own delusions. Since you are a sympathist for the immoral and spout lies and slander I am sure you find that OJ killed his wife because he loved her so much. Bill only abused ANOTHER mans daughter, not his own. That would be immoral. Now, wanna try stabilizing your brain chemistry? I am sure you can find drugs for free at any government clinic. Heck, you are obviously a minor by your rantings and immature ravings about topics you have not a clue about. In the demonrat world you don't need parental consent for abortion so just ask someone, a sympathizer at a clinic, whisper in their ear .... bill is god ... to a demonrat of course, and they will provide. Ask for a clean needle paid for by tax payers in the redistribution of wealth provided for you by the Democratic Socialists in the House of Representatives. Condoms, cannibus, abortion ..... anything! The demonrats will provide you now and into the future that America's first King once reigned, before the fall.

You can even grow up to experiment on living and dead babies in Adolf Clinton's world. Maybe you can go to Rwanda to view with pride the lives of the 100,000 children that were separated from their parents, the 500,000 plus AFRICANs massacred in a genocidal effort that he ignored and sent aid to later. Oh he did condemn it though. All the while bill was doing someones little girl. You could advise him during his next scandal to bomb a different African country to avert attention away from himself and his vile putrid behavior. You can be a part in sending more of our boys and girls to defend the UN after listening to Hillary who was counseled in the politics of meaning by Magaziner and Eleanor Roosevelt. Yes, I speak to the dead, follow me! And you will you lemming.

The only reason Hitler succeeded was because he had blind followers singing his praises while in the secret rooms he devised plans to control them. You dupe, you moron, you poor poor fool. The only thing we have as humans to determine the trustworthiness of our leaders is their actions and his are abhorant to every God fearing person on earth.

We know the truth, racism is evil and the KKK was one of the most powerful forces of evil in the South until a Republican President led the defeat of the South in the Civil War. You soil and sully the name of Abraham Lincoln speaking on his behalf as if he would even stand in the same room with that animal in the once awed White House. Bill is an animal living by instincts having no self control and all you can do is go retro to the 50's and 60's and point to one man over and over again. Come here to 99 Splooge!

You are being dismantled piece by piece by the man you worship ....... for it is only worshippers that can be this blind.

Quit hiding you spinless robot .... come out FreeSplooge.


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Message: My fourth paragraph should have read, "We know the truth, racism is evil and "spirit of" the KKK was one of the most powerful forces of evil in the South until a Republican President led the defeat of the South in the Civil War."

The KKK was not founded until Christmas Eve, 1865 in Pulaski, Tn. by six men. Since the Honorable Mr. Lincoln died of a gun shot wound to the head on April 15, 1865, my statement was written in a way that was inaccurate.

Trying to be accurate ..... corrections of fact welcome ..... correction of feeling scorned and rebuffed.


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Message: We are not in favor of hate speech, we are just incredibly busy at work to pay close attention to every message. Yes, you are right, hate speech is back. Can we please agree on no more hate speech and enough on the abortion issue for a while. Hate speech is ruining this forum. This is not what we intended on this forum. We want intelligent and reasoned debates. Name calling, hate speech, innuendo and lies will be deleted. You have been warned.


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What "Rule of Law" are your referring to? I never saw any Rule of Law, I just saw partisan politics. No self-respecting lawyer would support the unfair tactics in the House and Senate as Rule of Law. This Rule of Law is like nothing we have every seen in a court. You are dreaming LVD.

We are back to idle liberal accusations. (BTW - you forgot to spew the word "Unconstitutional", you are not following the White House propaganda script). The Rule of Law - perjury and obstruction of justice are against the law. Last weekend, Senator Byrd said Clinton was guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors so your "no self-respecting lawyers" statement is rendered null and void in light of the facts. As for unfair tactics - NAME THEM! Editor, your position is lying and obstruction of justice is OK in certain circumstances - I am afraid YOUR rule of law in nothing we have every seen in court. BTW - the courts see hundreds of perjury cases and obstruction of justice cases every years so you "nothing we has ever seen" comment in also rendered null and void by the facts.

What you Republicans want is to label us Democrats as immoral

WHAT CRAP! Show me one time when a Republican tried to label Democrats as immoral!!! Senator Byrd says Clinton is immoral - Monahan (misspelled) says Clinton is immoral - but they are both Democrats and they were referring to a single person and not the entire party. When will the baseless, untruthful, liberal guano end?

we did not crucify Clinton for the blowjobs. That's OK.

On this point you are right - none of the proceedings had ANYTHING to do with blowjobs. Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. The Democrats in the Senate are preparing a harsh censure for the president for his wrongdoings. You are correct - this has nothing to do with blowjobs (you liberals are obsessed with Clinton sex life). You are really losing it - nobody was trying to crucify anybody - your liberal paranoid delusions are a wee bit scary (tell me you DO NOT own a gun! Or a sharp object for that matter)

It's better than Republicans who will go down in history for invasion of our privacy

Boy are you barking up the wrong tree - Starr has NEVER been legally accused of invasion of privacy and Starr was supervised by Janet Reno (a Democrat). All information Starr uncovered was relevant to a valid legal case. Democrat attack dog and pornographer Larry Flynt snooped through peoples private lives to uncover information that could be used to blackmail Republicans in congress (he has admitted this). Larry Flynt was not an officer of the court and his dirt had no relevance to any legal case - it was invasion of privacy, pure and simple. Sorry Editor, it is the Democrats headed by Larry Flynt that will go down in history for invasion of our privacy. Sorry!

which is not only immoral but also unconstitutional.

The Editor DID IT - you said the White Propaganda secret word. Stand back people - it is time show the Editor is merely a parrot. OK Editor, show us on this forum exactly what was unconstitutional - this requires quotes from the constitution and explanations of how it was violated by the Impeachment (Everybody, watch the Editor dive for cover!). (BTW - Editor, if you need a copy of the Constitution - I can send you one.)

We're not stuck on sex as the only basis upon which to define morality.

Good for you - I am not sure what that has to do with anything - nevertheless, anytime a liberal even TRIES to understand morality or ethics, it is a good thing.

Isn't it funny how the followers of the Cult of Clinton are now relegated to rambling, baseless, paranoid delusions and obsession with talking about Clinton getting blowjobs - it is a bit sad to see to once-proud once-intellectual liberals fall to such a level.

-LVD


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Message: Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children. Well, my mother told me when I asked as a small child what are those people in the back of the bus. She said that is the way the state government wants it to be, but, she also said it is wrong and unfair. The state governmens in the South weren't worried what the children were thinking then, so it BULLSHIT when people like Henry Hyde and other bigoted Republicans say how do we explain what is happening to President Clinton to the children. Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then. People have to be carefully taught to hate and learn hatred from their parents.


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He even ran for President in 1948 and lost. Then he joined the Republican Party becaue he found some members who shared his bigoted beliefs Once again the bozo using the name "Abraham Lincoln" is WRONG!!!
Thurmond did run in for president in 1948 and he was opposed to the strong Civil Rights planks of the DNC. This does not necessarily make him a racist and it is intellectually lazy to so it does. You are wrong about when he join the Republican Party. Thurmond was elected to the Senate as a Democrat in 1954 and 1956 (the first election was special election to fill the seat of someone that died). Thumond switch parties in 1964 - about the same time he changed his views on civil right (he was leaving the southern racist Democrats like Wallace). Thurmond was the FIRST southern Senator (for either party) to hire black staff members and appoint black to high position. Thumond fled the racist southern Democrats - get you facts straight.

He is still a Republican and should been tossed out for openly seeking a public office while being a white supremist.

Where is your evidence MORON! This is libelous, baseless, slander!

Check it out in the World Book Encyclopedia

Really - could you give the actually quote! What year is you Encyclopedia? 1948?

Secretly, and clandestinely the CCC has infested the Republican Party.

You liberal have been mercifully spared the ravages of intelligence. First, where is your bloody supporting evidence for your wacko, liberal, slanderous, paranoid delusion. Second, if it is clandestine - why do you know about it? Yes, it is pretty obvious this bozo is FreeHateSpeech - this paranoid delusion is starting to sound familiar. Let me guess - Elvis is the head of the KKKofCC and he arrives in a UFO (co-piloted by big-foot) to the clandestine KKKofCC Republican meetings of which all 120 million of us attend to talk about Clinton getting blowjobs.

-LVD


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Message: The Republicans want to vote on an obstruction of justice cause for Impeachment . How self righteous of the Republican Senators. The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation be carried out with "all deliberate speed". But many Southern School districts and Southern Governors, who I have mentioned, continued segregrated schools and public places. Since the US Supreme Court could not depend on the Southern Governors do to the right thing, the Court in 1969 (14 years later) had no choice but to order desegration of all school districts "at once". So, the Southern politicians obstructed justice themselves by ignoring a direct order of the US Supreme Court. So Wallace and Stom Thurmond and other racist Southern elected officials did not really change their minds, but were forced to desegrate the schools at once and give the Negroes a chance at the American Dream. What can be worse than the obstruction of justice that denies the basic civil-rights of an entire group of Americans that are granted to them by the US Constitution. How can the they even begin to equate what they claim to be Clinton's obstruction of justice with their outright violation of a direct order of the U.S. Supreme Court.


Name: Betsy Ross

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Message: The Republicans want to vote on an obstruction of justice cause for Impeachment . How self righteous of the Republican Senators. The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation be carried out with "all deliberate speed". But many Southern School districts and Southern Governors, who I have mentioned, continued segregrated schools and public places. Since the US Supreme Court could not depend on the Southern Governors do to the right thing, the Court in 1969 (14 years later) had no choice but to order desegration of all school districts "at once". So, the Southern politicians obstructed justice themselves by ignoring a direct order of the US Supreme Court. So Wallace and Stom Thurmond and other racist Southern elected officials did not really change their minds, but were forced to desegrate the schools at once and give the Negroes a chance at the American Dream. What can be worse than the obstruction of justice that denies the basic civil-rights of an entire group of Americans that are granted to them by the US Constitution. How can the they even begin to equate what they claim to be Clinton's obstruction of justice with their outright violation of a direct order of the U.S. Supreme Court.


Name: LVD to Abe and all hate-filled liberals

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Who are the CCC they are a nazi like group who hate blacks like Bob Barr Tom Deloy

Well, that is a news flash - Bob Barr is black? (I don't know who that Deloy guy is but he most be black also).

Henry Hyde is a known adulterer so is Livingston

Jeepers, you liberals are obsessed with other people's sex lives. When will the liberals move on and get their noses out of other people's underwear drawers and sex lives?

If Sherman has to go South again so help me

This paranoid delusion is getting weird -William Tecumseh Sherman has been dead for 108 years so it will not be much of a march (more like a drag)

NOTE TO EDITOR: I really object to the statements of the bozo using the name "Abraham Lincoln" These messages are baseless, rambling, lunatic, hatefilled slander. You have spoken out against hate-speech from the right - it is time for you to raise up and apply your rules to everyone (including liberals). Hey, you all know I love a debate - but this is pointless - Abe is not interesting in debating anything to do with reality. I am tired of posting retorts to a lunatic (cast not your pearls amount the swine). Anyway, the Hillary forum is going to get the reputation of a place to go if you are looking for lunatic-left, slanderous, baseless, hate-speech (the Hillary forum deserves better).

-LVD


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Im getting the point it is racism, not President Clinton and I must admit the Republicans have acted strangely and in an undemocratic manner in pursuing this case of impeachment.

Well Abe/FreeSpeech, now you are posting under my moniker - you are truly a lunatic-liberal bozo. (yeah, right the Clinton is Impeachment is all based on racism - FreeSpeech you are an idiot)

-LVD


Name: LVD to Abe

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Message: Who is "Tom Deloy" - you speak of him often. I checked the roster of elected Republicans in congress - there is nobody named "Tom Deloy"


Name: Betsy Ross

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Message: The Republicans want to vote on an obstruction of justice cause for Impeachment . How self righteous of the Republican Senators. The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation be carried out with "all deliberate speed". But many Southern School districts and Southern Governors, who I have mentioned, continued segregrated schools and public places. Since the US Supreme Court could not depend on the Southern Governors do to the right thing, the Court in 1969 (14 years later) had no choice but to order desegration of all school districts "at once". So, the Southern politicians obstructed justice themselves by ignoring a direct order of the US Supreme Court. So Wallace and Stom Thurmond and other racist Southern elected officials did not really change their minds, but were forced to desegrate the schools at once and give the Negroes a chance at the American Dream. What can be worse than the obstruction of justice that denies the basic civil-rights of an entire group of Americans that are granted to them by the US Constitution. How can the they even begin to equate what they claim to be Clinton's obstruction of justice with their outright violation of a direct order of the U.S. Supreme Court.


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A plaque on his house.

And how will this plaque be inscribed...something like "The Limbaughs". Aren't you thoughtful - giving Rush a plaque for his house.

Abe, you are a hate-filled dweeb

-LVD

PS - plague is spelled with a "g"


Name: Betsy Ross

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Message: The Republicans want to vote on an obstruction of justice cause for Impeachment . How self righteous of the Republican Senators. The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation be carried out with "all deliberate speed". But many Southern School districts and Southern Governors, who I have mentioned, continued segregrated schools and public places. Since the US Supreme Court could not depend on the Southern Governors do to the right thing, the Court in 1969 (14 years later) had no choice but to order desegration of all school districts "at once". So, the Southern politicians obstructed justice themselves by ignoring a direct order of the US Supreme Court. So Wallace and Stom Thurmond and other racist Southern elected officials did not really change their minds, but were forced to desegrate the schools at once and give the Negroes a chance at the American Dream. What can be worse than the obstruction of justice that denies the basic civil-rights of an entire group of Americans that are granted to them by the US Constitution. How can the they even begin to equate what they claim to be Clinton's obstruction of justice with their outright violation of a direct order of the U.S. Supreme Court.


Name: LVD to the mental giant, Abe

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From 1776 till today many Republicans and Southerners have not been fair to the blacks. Dweeb, The Republican Party was founded in 1854. The Southerners you speak of were southern DEMOCRATS. The Democrats were the party of slavery and the Democrat Party was the party of the South in the Civil War. The Republican Party was formed on a single issue - anti-slavery. Lincoln - the first Republican president headed the Union army and fought against the Democrats Confederates.
Democrats - the party of slavery and the south Republican - ended slavery, defeated the pro-slavery Democrat Confederates The South has been almost completely controlled by the Democrat party up until about 6 years ago. Abe - you are clueless.

-LVD


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Message: The Republicans want to vote on an obstruction of justice cause for Impeachment . How self righteous of the Republican Senators. The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation be carried out with "all deliberate speed". But many Southern School districts and Southern Governors, who I have mentioned, continued segregrated schools and public places. Since the US Supreme Court could not depend on the Southern Governors do to the right thing, the Court in 1969 (14 years later) had no choice but to order desegration of all school districts "at once". So, the Southern politicians obstructed justice themselves by ignoring a direct order of the US Supreme Court. So Wallace and Stom Thurmond and other racist Southern elected officials did not really change their minds, but were forced to desegrate the schools at once and give the Negroes a chance at the American Dream. What can be worse than the obstruction of justice that denies the basic civil-rights of an entire group of Americans that are granted to them by the US Constitution. How can the they even begin to equate what they claim to be Clinton's obstruction of justice with their outright violation of a direct order of the U.S. Supreme Court.


Name: Betsy Ross

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Message: The Republicans want to vote on an obstruction of justice cause for Impeachment . How self righteous of the Republican Senators. The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation be carried out with "all deliberate speed". But many Southern School districts and Southern Governors, who I have mentioned, continued segregrated schools and public places. Since the US Supreme Court could not depend on the Southern Governors do to the right thing, the Court in 1969 (14 years later) had no choice but to order desegration of all school districts "at once". So, the Southern politicians obstructed justice themselves by ignoring a direct order of the US Supreme Court. So Wallace and Stom Thurmond and other racist Southern elected officials did not really change their minds, but were forced to desegrate the schools at once and give the Negroes a chance at the American Dream. What can be worse than the obstruction of justice that denies the basic civil-rights of an entire group of Americans that are granted to them by the US Constitution. How can the they even begin to equate what they claim to be Clinton's obstruction of justice with their outright violation of a direct order of the U.S. Supreme Court.


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The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation

The Supreme Court ruling on Brown v. Board of Education happened in 1954. It seem that liberal are incapable of the tiniest bit of fact finding or research. If you are not sure of a date – don’t state it!

To all the moron liberals that are currently trying to rewrite history and say that Republican are and were racists and against desegregation. In 1957 Eisenhower (a Republican) sent National Guard troops to Arkansas to secure the admission of blacks into the white high schools. Arkansas was politically controlled by southern Democrats and not Republicans – it was Republicans the fought for desegregation. You liberal clowns have got it back-ass-ward – it was the southern Democrats that were against desegregation. The KKK of the 60’s was dominated by Democrats and many Southern Democrats of the 60’s where know to be racist (I don’t believe this is true today – about either party). A little story – my family is pretty much working class, salt of the earth, and southern. I was at family reunion and some friends of a cousin were also there – they were working-class bubba Democrats (with beer bellies). There I am with my wife – the long hair musician hanging with bubba Democrats around a fire in a misty fall afternoon. The talk turned political and one of my cousins friends (a very large man) said “I don’t know which is worse, Republicans or Niggers” (pardon the use of that word – but that is what he said). My point is be careful liberals – the Democrat party contains its share of racists (more than it’s share in the south). I don’t believe that either PARTY is racist but I will bet that more racists register Democrat than Republican (I have a lot of antidotal evidence for this but not real hard proof exist


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The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation

The Supreme Court ruling on Brown v. Board of Education happened in 1954. It seem that liberal are incapable of the tiniest bit of fact finding or research. If you are not sure of a date - don't state it!

To all the moron liberals that are currently trying to rewrite history and say that Republican are and were racists and against desegregation. In 1957 Eisenhower (a Republican) sent National Guard troops to Arkansas to secure the admission of blacks into the white high schools. Arkansas was politically controlled by southern Democrats and not Republicans - it was Republicans the fought for desegregation. You liberal clowns have got it back-ass-ward - it was the southern Democrats that were against desegregation. The KKK of the 60's was dominated by Democrats and many Southern Democrats of the 60's where know to be racist (I don't believe this is true today - about either party). A little story - my family is pretty much working class, salt of the earth, and southern. I was at family reunion and some friends of a cousin were also there - they were working-class bubba Democrats (with beer bellies). There I am with my wife - the long hair musician hanging with bubba Democrats around a fire in a misty fall afternoon. The talk turned political and one of my cousins friends (a very large man) said "I don't know which is worse, Republicans or Niggers" (pardon the use of that word - but that is what he said). My point is be careful liberals - the Democrat party contains its share of racists (more than it's share in the south). I don't believe that either PARTY is racist but I will bet that more racists register Democrat than Republican (I have a lot of antidotal evidence for this but not real hard proof exists one way or the other). Liberals - get a clue, read a book, think before you spew.

-LVD


Name: Betsy Ross

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Message: The Republicans want to vote on an obstruction of justice cause for Impeachment . How self righteous of the Republican Senators. The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation be carried out with "all deliberate speed". But many Southern School districts and Southern Governors, who I have mentioned, continued segregrated schools and public places. Since the US Supreme Court could not depend on the Southern Governors do to the right thing, the Court in 1969 (14 years later) had no choice but to order desegration of all school districts "at once". So, the Southern politicians obstructed justice themselves by ignoring a direct order of the US Supreme Court. So Wallace and Stom Thurmond and other racist Southern elected officials did not really change their minds, but were forced to desegrate the schools at once and give the Negroes a chance at the American Dream. What can be worse than the obstruction of justice that denies the basic civil-rights of an entire group of Americans that are granted to them by the US Constitution. How can the they even begin to equate what they claim to be Clinton's obstruction of justice with their outright violation of a direct order of the U.S. Supreme Court.


Name: Steve-N-Tulsa

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Message: Next time: There is a man on trial in your home town, go to the court room and yell "hurry up and get it over with, your wasting my tax dollars!! How Silly! Yell: The D.A. just hates the man! Let him go free and charge the D.A with not being sweet about the whole deal. How Silly! Yell: Don't charge him cause everybody does it! How Silly! Yell: Fire him from his job, then he will know he did wrong! How Silly! Yell: And shoot the horse he rode in on. Yeah, right. I like a saying "all is well that ends well" the William Clinton years will end as they should. Even if you or I don't see the big picture. All is well. Hillary has got to be one of the strongest Americans on the planet. Her and Dr. Laura should rule the world. With my help ofcourse.


Name: LVD to Betsy

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Message: Correction Actually the Supreme Court ruling - called Brown II - did take place in 1955 and was the source of the "all deliberate speed," comment - but it was a ruling based on the 1954 ruling. Anyway, I guess Betsy half correct in the following statement:
The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation be carried out with "all deliberate speed".
The Supreme Count decision to desegregate the schools can in 1955 but the "all deliberate speed" came in 1954. I guess Betsy is indeed capable of the tiniest bit of research.

-LVD


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opps - The Supreme Court decision to desegregate the schools came in 1954 and the "all deliberate speed" comment came in 1955.

-LVD


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Message: All of you petty, nit-picking living in the past fuckers make me ill. Get a life.


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Message: Make sure you remove the above message with deliberate speed you moronic panty-wast, touchy feely bastards.


Name: Betsy Ross

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Message: The Republicans want to vote on an obstruction of justice cause for Impeachment . How self righteous of the Republican Senators. The US Supreme Court in 1955 ordered that public school desegregation be carried out with "all deliberate speed". But many Southern School districts and Southern Governors, who I have mentioned, continued segregrated schools and public places. Since the US Supreme Court could not depend on the Southern Governors do to the right thing, the Court in 1969 (14 years later) had no choice but to order desegration of all school districts "at once". So, the Southern politicians obstructed justice themselves by ignoring a direct order of the US Supreme Court. So Wallace and Stom Thurmond and other racist Southern elected officials did not really change their minds, but were forced to desegrate the schools at once and give the Negroes a chance at the American Dream. What can be worse than the obstruction of justice that denies the basic civil-rights of an entire group of Americans that are granted to them by the US Constitution. How can the they even begin to equate what they claim to be Clinton's obstruction of justice with their outright violation of a direct order of the U.S. Supreme Court.


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I was doing some reading about the Democrat party today (sparked by the forum debate) and I realized something quite funny. FreeSpeech/Abe/Betsy/ of whatever name he or she is using has often used the Scopes trial as a way to make fun of religious Republicans. I don't think FreeSpeech actually understand the what happened in the trial (it have nothing to do with religion per se). Anyway the religious man - William Jennings Bryan was skewed for his fundamental religious views. Bryan was a DEMOCRAT! - a big shot in the party and the Democrat nominee for president (he lost to McKinley). So, is FreeSpeech attempt to smear the Republicans, he/she smeared the Democrats party. Pretty funny.

-LVD


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Jeepers - it is getting pretty ugly around here...
Why are the liberals so pissed - don't they "win"?
-LVD


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Message: Sure we are living in the past, because history repeats itself. Democracy must be nutured. WE must remember the bad things that have happened in the past, to make sure it doesn't happen again. Or should we, stick our heads in the sand and assume it will never happen again. The Founders wrote the US Constitution: "Maybe the only lesson-thanks to the Framers is that a one party vendetta to drive out a President should fail."


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Message: Please read the book or rent the Movie Elmer Gantry by John Stienbeck. It is about religious hypocricy. Using Religion to make a buck. Remember Tammy Fay Baker.


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Message: I loved IKE, He was a gentleman. But the current bunch of Republicans are a mean bunch. The DixieCrats were not of same cloth as were the Democrats. And I doubt putting on lables is a very good idea. What ever happenned to plain old fashioned Americans. The main point is we should not fight amongst ourselves but believe in the principles of Democracy. We have been conditioned to believe in political parties and all the rhetoric that goes with it.


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Message: Correction to LVD: Didn't they "win"? hehe


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ROANOKE, Va., Feb. 9 - Is Tinky Winky, one of the popular Teletubby characters for children, gay? The Rev. Jerry Falwell suspects so, telling parents that the purple character from the TV show is a homosexual role model. The company that licenses the Teletubbies in the United States called "outlandish" the suggestion that the characters would be created with "sexual innuendo" in mind.

UNDER A headline that reads "Parents Alert: Tinky Winky Comes Out of the Closet," an article in the February edition of Falwell's National Liberty Journal notes that Tinky Winky has the voice of a boy yet carries a purse. "He is purple - the gay-pride color; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle - the gay-pride symbol," the story said.Falwell contends the "subtle depictions" are intentional and in a statement issued Tuesday said, "As a Christian I feel that role modeling the gay lifestyle is damaging to the moral lives of children."

'PURSE' IS MAGIC BAG
A spokesman for Itsy Bitsy Entertainment Co., which licenses the Teletubbies in the United States, said that what Falwell's newspaper described as a purse is actually Tinky Winky's magic bag. "The fact that he carries a magic bag doesn't make him gay," Steve Rice said. "It's a children's show, folks. To think we would be putting sexual innuendo in a children's show is kind of outlandish." Rice said Falwell was attacking "something sweet and innocent" to further his conservative political agenda. "To out a Teletubby in a preschool show is kind of sad on his part. I really find it absurd and kind of offensive," he said. Falwell's spokeswoman, Laura Swickard, said the founder of the now-defunct Moral Majority agreed with everything that was in the NLJ article and would not comment beyond his one-paragraph statement.

ABOUT TELETUBBIES
The British show aimed at toddlers began airing on U.S. public television stations last spring and is now as popular as Barney, a singing dinosaur who also happens to be purple. The Teletubbies are portrayed by actors in oversized, brightly colored costumes. They all have television screens on their tummies and, according to the story line, live in a superdome hidden in the hills. Other than Tinky Winky, the troupe features Dipsy in green, Laa-Laa in orange and Po in red. The Teletubbies dance, sing and share "bi-i-ig hugs" beneath a radiant sun emblazoned with the face of a laughing infant.




Note from Last Visible Dog: I have been known to defend Jerry Falwell from time to time - but in this case he has gone too far. Tinky Winky gay - give me a break (everybody knows that Po is the gay one - just kidding). I have the pleasure of watching Teletubbies more often than I would like - I have a 3 year-old and a 1.5 year old (and a nearly done bun in the oven). While I am positive the creators of the show where doing some serous recreational drugs - I don't for a second believe they are sending out secret homosexual vibes. Anyway - I officially terminate my defense of Falwell (just keep to the facts - heck, with this kind of stuff, who needs to make stuff up). In closing let me quote the teletubbies: "ah oh"

-LVD


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Message: Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children. Well, my mother told me when I asked as a small child what are those people in the back of the bus. She said that is the way the state government wants it to be, but, she also said it is wrong and unfair. The state governmens in the South weren't worried what the children were thinking then, so it BULLSHIT when people like Henry Hyde and other bigoted Republicans say how do we explain what is happening to President Clinton to the children. Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then. People have to be carefully taught to hate and learn hatred from their parents.


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Message: Henry Hyde and other know bigots ask what we will tell the children. Well, my mother told me when I asked as a small child what are those people in the back of the bus. She said that is the way the state government wants it to be, but, she also said it is wrong and unfair. The state governmens in the South weren't worried what the children were thinking then, so it BULLSHIT when people like Henry Hyde and other bigoted Republicans say how do we explain what is happening to President Clinton to the children. Men like Thurmond and Wallace didn't care what the children thought then. People have to be carefully taught to hate and learn hatred from their parents.


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Message: I have a son and he watches Teletubbies. Finally we have something we can agree on.


Name: LVD to FreeSpeech

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You got me!

Correction to LVD: Didn't they "win"? hehe

Commenting about my misusage of words is like giving out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500 - I have gained notoriety for my ability to misuse words (I do type these messages very quickly while I am busy doing other things (my job) - it is amazing I get as close as a do). One think I rarely if ever do is misspelled words - why - because I am a fricking genus (not really - I just use a spell checker). As for my source of facts - I will let you in on a secret - you can look as smart as I am (hehe) by doing two thinks - search the Internet for information on the topic you are talking about and always have your copy of Encarta near by - and pretend like you didn't look it up and you are just that bloody smart.

-LVD


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The main point is we should not fight amongst ourselves but believe in the principles of Democracy.

Like Honesty? Like Integrity? Like Discipline? Like the Rule of Law being applied to all Americans equally? Like Faithfulness to ones family and country?

Can you honestly name a single "principle of Democracy" Bill Clinton now represents? And the Liberal Lemmings continue chanting "It's Starr's Fault" as they march toward the cliffs...


Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to Free Speech

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Remember Tammy Fay Baker.

Yeah, didn't her husband go to jail for lying to and stealing from his followers in violation of the law? Sounds familiar somehow...


Name: LVD to FreeSpeech

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Please read the book or rent the Movie Elmer Gantry by John Stienbeck. It is about religious hypocricy.

You liberals can never get your facts straight. Elmer Gantry was written by Sinclair Lewis. I have seen the movie. What - are you giving up on the Scopes Monkey Trial (Inherit the Wind) as a way to look down on religious people. BTW - one fictitious novel about a crooked preacher does not make all religious people bad.

-LVD


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Name: Fabius to FreeSpeech....

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Message: It is clear you are racist and swim in the mire of your own delusions. Since you are a sympathist for the immoral and spout lies and slander I am sure you find that OJ killed his wife because he loved her so much. Bill only abused ANOTHER mans daughter, not his own. That would be immoral. Now, wanna try stabilizing your brain chemistry? I am sure you can find drugs for free at any government clinic. Heck, you are obviously a minor by your rantings and immature ravings about topics you have not a clue about. In the demonrat world you don't need parental consent for abortion so just ask someone, a sympathizer at a clinic, whisper in their ear .... bill is god ... to a demonrat of course, and they will provide. Ask for a clean needle paid for by tax payers in the redistribut