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Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 15 relating to President Clinton's August 17th speech.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 16 Discussion subsequent to President Clinton's August 17th speech, including the tie scandals.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 18 Will the President Recover? Bombing Afganistan.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 19 Thinking on the Beltway in contrast to the rest of the USA.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 20 Will the President Recover?
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 21 August 28 - September 1st.- Abortion, Gun Control, Russia, Clinton
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 22 September 1st.-7th. Dan Burton
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 23September 7th - 11th Kenneth Starr Delivers Report
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 24 Discussions on the Ken Starr Report to Congress.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 25 Hillary Clinton's documents on Nixon's impeachment.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 26 Photos and descriptions of Clinton's affairs.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 27 Discussions on perjury.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 28 Video Tapes Released! Big surprise - Clinton's ratings go up!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 29 Right-Wing extremists attack on forum. Hacked, disabled, sexual abuse. Forum shut down for three days.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 30 Hillary Clinton in San Francisco. Very popular and very presidential. Fundraising Dinner for Barbara Boxer sold out! Editors of Hillary Clinton Forum invited to attend.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 31 Special Conservative Forum for Anti-Liberal and Anti-Clinton messages.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 32 It's not sex, or even perjury, it's a Right-Wing COUP! Dysfunctional Democracy - The Triumph of Theocracy.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 33 Bad News for the GOP - Significant loss in polls after release of the videos on the Internet.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 34 Peace Accord in the Middle East. H.RES.545 - SPONSOR: Rep Hastings, Alcee A resolution impeaching Kenneth W. Starr,
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 35 Halloween. HUGE Voter turnout expected in California. Judge orders Starr investigation.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 36 Democrats Win Big! Americans Send a Message to Republicans - Drop it!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 37 Why the GOP lost the November 3rd Elections. Discussions on abortion.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 38 Thanksgiving. House Judiciary Committee holds impeachment hearings. Kenneth Starr in Congress. Hillary Clinton Forum Featured in THE TIMES of London
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 39 Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee recommend impeaching President Clinton. Straight party line of 21-16, setting up historic political showdown.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 40 Hillary Clinton Forum in Newsweek .
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 42 US Bombs Iraq. Bob Livingston Outed by Larry Flynn!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 43 Bob Livingston Resigns in disgrace.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 44 Clinton Impeached on two counts by Kangaroo court. GOP Commits Political Suicide!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 45 Clinton's Popularity Hits New High! Promises never to resign. Halts strikes on Iraq.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 47 Merry Christmas. GOP Hypcrites outed by Larry Flynn - Citizens and media begin attacking the Radical Right.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 48 Happy New Year. Larry Flynt and Tom DeLay driving GOP Agenda.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 49 Senate Impeachment Trial begins.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 50 Republicans try to smear Clinton with Danny Williams paternity suit.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 51 Senate begins Impeachment Trial. Bob Barr & Trent Lott's connection to white supremacists.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 52 Martin Luther King Day. Clinton's State of the Union Address Brilliant Success. 77% Approval rating.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 53 GOP Self Destructs. Conservatives attack their own GOP leaders.Secret meeting with Monica.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 54 GOP Self Destructs. Pat Robertson Retreats. Bob Barr disavows the CCC.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 55 GOP Self Destructs. Larry Rockefeller's Call to Republicans.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 56 Impeachment Trial - Larry Rockefeller's call to Republicans.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 57 Impeachment Trial - Just one more week and it's over!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 58 Teletubbies furor. Tinky Winky outed by Jerry Falwell.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 59 President Clinton Acquitted on Both Charges!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 60 Should Hillary run for President, Vice President or Senator of New York?
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 61 Culture Wars
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77% SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT!

."Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their Constitution." MSNBC NEWS ...MORE....

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Message: Pat Robertson Surrenders!
The Civil War of Innuendo & Hypocrisy is Almost Over!
Rout out every member of Congress who conspired to overthrow our democracy.

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Message: As I predicted many forums ago, the Republican Congress will commit political suicide. Nostradamus is never wrong.

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Message: Hillary was right. It WAS a VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy). I honor her too. Hillary for President!

The Senate is about to take key votes on whether to close the trial or call witnesses. THIS MAY BE OUR LAST CHANCE to speak before the Senate commits to a long, drawn-out trial.

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Once you reach your Senator's office, let the staff member know
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Express your own personal concerns and ask for a response from your Senator.p * Calling swing Senators can also make a difference. Although their offices may discount the opinion of citizens outside their state, just ringing the phones is important. Moreover, Senators must represent the national interest, not just their state's interests. Here are their direct numbers if you have trouble getting through on the main switchboard:

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Alice Starr Disses Hillary!
Read All About it in the Ladies Home Journal!
Oh dear, now Alice Starr has gotten into the act! In an interview with the Ladies Home Journal she took the opportunity to diss Hillary.

Read all about it
In the Ladies Home Journal
Breaking news!!!!
More scandals in the Clinton saga

"Hillary has had many"
Alice said, to the Ladies Home Journal
but I, a paragon of morality
"have had only one in these past 20 years"
Only one. . .
While Hillary, fickle wife of
Clinton-the-perjurer,
the adulterer, the philanderer,
- changes them constantly!
How dare she?

Disgusting and immoral
She pays for that, but I do not
Moral superiority my just reward
Kenny and I, our religious mission
-to the end of time we will take this crusade
Our brand of morality will prevail

Why change them at every whim
-when only one should satisfy?
In twenty years I had no other
So good it was then - now even better

But Hillary never keeps just one
Her selfish desires are never sated
Always wanting more and more and more
moremoremoremore....ohhhhh!
Your hairstyles Hillary
How inappropriate of you
-to change them at every selfish whim
Unlike me
My superior morality
For twenty years exactly
-have I known no other
One hairstyle is all I need
- my family values to satisfy

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STARR WEIGHS WHETHER TO INDICT SITTING PRESIDENT

01/29/99 06:09 UTC -- Independent counsel Kenneth Starr has concluded that he has the constitutional authority to seek a grand jury indictment of President Clinton before he leaves the White House, says a new report set for publication on Sunday.

"Starr and his prosecutors have actively considered whether to ask a grand jury here to indict Clinton," the NEW YORK TIMES is planning to report in a Page One, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

TIMES investigator Don Van Natta Jr. pushes details: "Starr and his prosecutors have had no communications with the House managers or the White House about the possibility of including the president's future criminal jeopardy in negotiations over a censure of the president."

Van Natta quotes "associates" of Starr throughout his story.

These associates emphasized that Starr had not decided whether, or when, but "neither the outcome of the Senate trial nor the public's wishes expressed in opinion polls would affect his decision.

Developing...

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Message: You don't have to be a Clinton fan to wonder why lying about a sexual affair makes you unfit for office while lying about being intimate with bigots does not.
In december newspapers reported that Georgia Congressman Bob Barr, Clinton's attacker-in-chief, had delivered a keynote speech to a white-supremacist group called the Council of Conservative Citizens. Not long after that it came out that Senate majority leader Trent Lott had also been cosy with the C.C.C. When confronted, both Barr and Lott denied that they were aware of the group's racist agenda, though the organization's officers have never made any secret of their views - and Lott's uncle Arnie Watson is a member of its executive board. Barr has since issued a statement disavowing the CCC, but we are still waiting for Trent Lot to follow suit. TIME MAGAZINE, February 1, 1999 page 29

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Is it true that Bob Barr and Trent Lott lied to a grand jury about speaking to the CCC? And did they also attempt to coerce others who knew about it to keep their mouths shut?

If this is true, they should be kicked out of Congress. If not, in what way does it qualify as hypocrisy? Isn't President Clinton on trial for committing perjury and obstruction of justice? Wouldn't it only be hypocrisy if Barr and Lott supported the conviction of President Clinton even though they themselves had also committed felonies and attempted to cover them up?

Or have liberals simply decided to rewrite the dictionary? Are they becoming that desperate?

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Message: "to bill about the 144,000 i am still workin on it you will be getting soon.

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Message: "to bill about the 144,000 i am still workin on it you will be getting soon.

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Message: Dear Mrs. Clinton,
Please read this letter I sent this morning to Democratic Senators. Thank you
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>From: onenazarene@webtv.net (Chris Anderson)
>Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:24:35 -0500 (EST)
>To: tom_daschle@daschle.gov
>Subject: WAKE UP!<9> Dear Senator Daschle,
With all due respect, I know you have tried to stop this runaway train the Republicans have engineered. However, I just have one question for you in reference to the over $50 million dollars the Senate Republicans and Ken Star have so blatently  plundered on this.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA   AT ALL JUST HOW MASSIVE AN AMOUNT OF MONEY 50  million dollars really is ?!!! THINK about it. 50 MILLION!!!!!!!!! How much Police equipment could we have purchased with that 50 million? It certainly would have bought a LOT of NEEDED EQUIPMENT that would have made my Police Officer son's job a lot safer. I hope you will take time out from this  circus to think about it. We're talking about REAL POLICE WHO NEED REAL MONEY TO HELP THEM "Monica" is not important- saving a Police Officer's LIFE IS !!!

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"DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA AT ALL JUST HOW MASSIVE AN AMOUNT OF MONEY 50 million dollars really is ?!!!"

It's about enough to pay for the first 50 Cruise Missiles used in the last attack on Iraq (not including the cost of transporting or launching them). We burn up that much on "pork" every day. The only answer is to keep the money ourselves and keep Washington's grubby hands off it. Then your county/state could decide how to spend your county/state's citizens money themselves without the inherent waste of the Federal Bureaucracy.

Also, you are correct, "Monica is not important", but the honesty of our most powerful leaders is. Why do you think we had to spend all this money investigating the Liar-in-Chief? Clinton spent every cent of that money by not being honest, by lying to our faces, by lying to his staff, by lying to his Cabinet, by lying to his wife, by lying to two courts, by lying to you. If people like you had voted for an honest man we would not be in this mess. If Bill Clinton was a man we would not be in this mess. Ken Starr is doing his job, too well for most Democrats, nothing more.

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Does Crazy Kenny think he is the 101st Senator

First, and unnamed source leaked that Starr was thinking of an indictment – the most likely source of the leak is the White House because their best defense has been “Change the subject and be anti-Ken Starr”. Ken Starr has neither confirmed nor denied that leak so, Editor, you are jumping to some wild conclusions based solely on unsourced innuendo (wasn’t it you that was screaming about how bad it is to base judgement on innuendo?)[LIKE THE NEW YORK TIME, THE WASHINGTON POST, THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE, THE FOX NEWS, ....]. Second, the Senate in the legislative branch of government and Ken Starr is a duly appointed and upheld representative of the judicial branch – therefore you comment about the 101th Senator is very sophomoric because indictment come for the judicial branch and Starr is a representative of the judicial branch and there is not relationship to the Senate. If Ken Starr can get a indictment – he should (wasn’t that one of the excuses the Democrats use for not throwing Clinton out of office – because he is still subject to criminal prosecution. Editors, be consistent. Remember, Ken Starr is a duly appointed representative of the Judicial branch of government. He was appointed and is overseen by the Clinton Administration and can be fired at any time for cause – why has he not been fired? Because there is no cause!

-LVD

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Message: One More Time

I love it!
Liberals are getting the idea that it is OK to be a liberal again.
On CSPAN today I heard a liberal spew the liberal party line "redistribution of wealth, higher taxes, more government control of business". Jeepers, I almost became giddy (in a political sense). The Left thinks Americans love-afraid with our favorite cad/president has something to do with American embracing liberalism. I yelling at the TV today "Say it loud, say it proud, Mr. Liberal Man!". This will assure that the Republicans retain control of the House and Senate and the Presidency. This liberal clown on CSPAN actually said that deregulation of business (that gave us our current strong economy) was evil and that the middle class need to pay more taxes. You should have seen me - right there in front of my TV - doing the conservative dance!

Just when I thought it could not get any better - I saw a new poll that showed ether GW Bush or Ms. Dole severely kicking Al Gores butt 59% to 39% (like you Democrats say - polls don't lie). Last Saturday, I say polling results reluctantly presented from a liberal women group that showed 58% of WOMEN believe abortion should be illegal except in extreme cases and 54% of WOMEN believe the Christian Coalition is positive force of politic. The Liberal Democrats have completely misread the Clinton syndrome. Clinton is American lovable Bart Simpson president - he makes us laugh because we find it funny who he wiggles out of tight situations. Democrats think it shows support for Liberal Democrat policies (redistribution of wealth, more government control of business, more taxes and more government programs). The polls show that while American loves the boy-president Clinton - nevertheless, American is more conservatives than it have been is the last 50 years. I am looking forward to more Democrats letting their Liberal Flags Fly and I am looking forward to a Republican controlled House, Senate, and Presidency in 2000 (remember Liberals, polls don't lie!)

'scuse me while I party like it's 1999!

-LVD

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Editor, why not start a forum off fresh and new - some of the propaganda you carry over is nearly two months old. As for the GOP committing political suicide or voters fleeing the party - today's polls show Al Gore is losing miserably to either GW Bush or Lizzy Dole and the Republican party is still the majority party. So much for your political "wet dream".

Please start forms off fresh - don't carry over YOUR personal tired old propaganda.

-LVD

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"DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA AT ALL JUST HOW MASSIVE AN AMOUNT OF MONEY 50 million dollars really is ?!!!"

It is almost exactly what it cost for Bill Clinton to take 1500 of his friends on his China vacation in an attempt to divert attention from his legal problems (you remember that trip - the one where the Chinese laughed at Clinton and tested missiles while he was there asking them not to test missiles).

Also it is about 1/3 less than the money spent by the Liberal Democrat runaway train know as the Iran/Contra Investigation. That's right in the 80's, well actually in the 80's and the 90's because it went on for seven years (that is 7 times the length of Zipper-Gate) - the Democrats created a witch-hunt in which they were going to prove that Reagan and/or Bush lied. They failed completely - the Democrat never found evidence to support their witch-hunt claims and the best they could do was indict Ollie North on a charge that was not even directly related to Iran/Contra (it related to who paid for a security fence around his house). The charges against North were thrown out on appeal (the true sign of a witch-hunt). The Democrat did use the Iran/Contra witch-hunt to indict a high ranking Bush official TWO WEEKS before the 92 election - guess what? The indictment was thrown out as baseless AFTER the election (oh no, that was not politically motivated(and monkey fly out of my butt)). Iran/Contra went on for 7 years and 70 millions and yielded 0 convictions and 0 articles of impeachment sent to congress. Ken Starr's case has gone on for 4 years and 40 million dollars but if covered MANY charges including White Water, FileGate, TravelGate, and ZipperGate. Ken Starr has so far received 15 conviction or guilty pleas (including Clinton's assistant Attorney General) and 3 articles of impeachment sent to congress (two of the articles of impeachment were passed by congress making Bill Clinton the FIRST elected president to be impeached. Compared to Iran/Contra, Ken Starr has been a bargain!

-LVD

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WITNESS: HOUSE INVESTIGATORS 'AFRAID OF PHYSICAL RETALIATION'

01/31/99 02:18 UTC -- Investigators in the Senate impeachment trial are in fear that there will be direct retaliation against them, according to a witness that was questioned last week in Washington.

Former Clinton adviser Dick Morris said on FOX NEWS CHANNEL's DRUDGE that during questioning, investigators told him that they are "physically afraid of retaliation" for their role in the impeachment trial.

Joined in progress...

1/30/99 9:11 PM ET

MORRIS: When I was called by the House Judiciary Committee just last weekend to testify or to meet with them I met with 3 investigators of the committee. They asked me not to use their names and I won't but they were each 50 years of age or over, they weren't kids. They had decades of experience working for the IRS, the FBI, and all kinds of other investigative organizations; they told me that they were physically afraid of retaliation. They asked me if I would testify_

DRUDGE: The ones questioning you were afraid?!

MORRIS: Exactly, they asked me if I would testify and I said yea. And they said aren't you afraid of retaliation? And I said what are they going to expose, my sex life? You know we have done all that. I've taken the trouble to not sin since then. And they said no, no. I mean don't you know the list of the 25 people who have died in mysterious circumstances in connection with this investigation? And I said are you guys out of your minds? And they said no, no. And one of them said I guarantee you that each of us will have an IRS audit when this is over, he said I'm saving my receipts I know that I am going to have an audit. And I said, how does that work? And he said well the head of the IRS and Hillary are very good friends.

DRUDGE: Let me get this straight, those even questioning people at this point are afraid.

MORRIS: Yes. And we are not talking here about some right wing nuts, or some people who are really paranoid. We are talking about guys who have spent 20 or 30 years as top level investigators for the IRS and the FBI who have retired and are now on leave and brought back by the Judiciary Committee and they specifically asked me not to mention their names on the air.

DRUDGE: Well we won't.

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1/30/99 9:14 PM ET

END OF TRANSCRIPT

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Message: Moynihan says Clinton lacks character

Capital Hill Blue
February 1, 1999 Unsigned

Capital Hill Blue

Moynihan says Clinton lacks character

President Clinton's policies, not only his personal behavior, display an ``absence of character,'' Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan said in an interview with The New Yorker magazine released Sunday.

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Please read the above article - Daniel Patrick Moynihan is a wise man and an honorable Democrat.

-LVD

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Message: Liberals do not kill with bullets? Well, actually in the Clinton death list there appear to be several references to bullets...and airplanes and cars and hanging and tall buildings and hmmmm, let's see... what else? Razor blades, motorcycles...

But on the bullet side we have Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Ed Willey, Jerry Parks, James Bunch, Kathy Ferguson, Bill Shelton, Florence Martin, Suzanne Coleman (and her unborn child), Gregory Collins, Jeff Rhodes, and Jordan Kettleson at a very minimum on the "Death List" who died convenient deaths for the Clintonistas as a result of gunshot wounds.

I am sure that YOU liberals do not kill with bullets, you seem like nice folks if a bit on the naive side, but let me assure you that Liberals DO kill those who are in their way just as readily as anyone else and what's more, they don't seem to be exceptionally good at covering their tracks when they do it.

46 conincidences....No...I think Kenny needs to keep a close eye on his back.

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Message: ...excuse the typo...that's coincidences...

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Message: $60 million dollars has been spent to investigate your allegations. If Kenny could have found anything he would not hesitate to leak or publish it, so please don't harp on this innuendo to the end of time. How much more do you want to pay $500 million and Kenny still won't come up with anything. Conservatives must get used to the idea that there just wasn't anything there except a blowjob. Clinton is the cleanest president we have ever had and that is more than you can accept because you spent so much of our money to find nothing. Stop already.

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Message: If Clintong is so clean, then why have he and hillary stonewalled and refused to cooperate and bring forth the documents when requested? If they had not been so uncooperative this could have been over $40 million dollars ago. The large amount of money spent has been their fault, not Ken Starr's. Also, if there is nothing there, then why hasn't janet reno fired Ken Starr? She could have ended this $40 million dollars ago. Believe it, your boy clintong is guilty as hell. It may not be provable, but he is guilty as hell.

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"Clinton is the cleanest president we have ever had..."

For once, I am just speechless at your utter and complete lack of a clue. You have just insulted every president from George Washington on in order to defend an adulterous, felonious, pathetic excuse for a human being whose policies verge on socialism. I just don't know what to say...

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The "cleanest president we have ever had" has yet to denounce Sid "Vicious" Blumenthal's blatent lies.

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX 02/01/99 17:21 UTC XXXXX

MEDIA DECEIVED: WHITE HOUSE AIDE BLUMENTHAL MADE UP QUOTES FOR NY TIMES, SMEARED STARR OFFICE

It has been seven months since NEW YORK TIMES columnist Anthony Lewis printed questions that White House aide Sidney Blumenthal said were posed to him before the Lewinsky grand jury.

Questions, it would later be revealed, that were never asked!

In his June 29, 1998 column -- slugged "Questions that Degrade" -- Lewis wrote:

"Sidney Blumenthal, assistant to the President, made his third appearance before Kenneth Starr's grand jury in Washington last Thursday... Mr. Blumenthal decided to tell me about the experience, as a grand-jury witness may do... Prosecutors asked Mr. Blumenthal to leave the room so they could consult. After five minutes he was called back, and Mr. Wisenberg asked him: 'Does the President's religion include sexual intercourse?'"

But according to transcripts of Blumenthal's grand jury testimony, released four months after the NEW YORK TIMES column ran, that question was never asked by prosecutors!

Lewis continued: "There was another sexual question in last week's grand-jury session, conducted by two new prosecutors. It was, 'Does the President believe that oral sex is sex?' It was just that -- a general question not tied to any particular matter."

No. It was a general question not tied to any particular reality. Another question that prosecutors never asked!

Lewis summarized: "What we have here, I think, is third-rate prosecutors full of hubris and obsessed by sex... It is sneering, smart-aleck stuff, the tone of Clinton-haters on cable television and the Internet."

The NEW YORK TIMES even worked some of the phony questions into its news copy.

"In two recent visits to the grand jury, Mr. Blumenthal said, he was asked, 'Does the President believe that oral sex is sex?' and 'Does the President's religion include sexual intercourse?'" -- JAMES BENNET's "The Titillating, Zigzagging Focus on Sex at 1600" June 30, 1998, Section A; Page 17.

Seven months later, Bennet still has not informed his readers that Blumenthal's statements were false.

And columnist Lewis has never straightened up his mess for the "newspaper of record."

NEW YORK TIMES executive editor Joseph Lelyveld could not be reached for comment.

A Starr associate explains that the Office of the Independent Counsel could not alert the media at the time of the smear due to restrictions covering grand jury secrecy.

But the grand jury foreperson personally lectured Blumenthal during the closing moments of the session last summer:

"We are very concerned about the fact that during your last visit that an inaccurate representation of the events that happened were retold on the steps of the courthouse."

"I appreciate your statement," Blumenthal responded.

"If Ken Starr is interested in the truth, he heard it today," Blumenthal told reporters just moments later.

Sidney Blumenthal, still employed at the White House, is scheduled to be a witness in the Clinton impeachment trial on Wednesday.

Will reporters print his version of the secret Senate questioning?

Or wait for the videotape.

Bill Clinton is however, the "cleanest president Monica Lewinsky ever had"!

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Message: Is it true that David Kendall represents two tabloids? National Enquirer is one of them and has been the source of many of the so called leaks to the press. Interesting, but a Democrat would never lie.....

George Washington - 1st President
"I cannot tell a lie!"

Bill Clinton - Last president
I cannot tell the truth!

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Clinton is the cleanest president we have ever had

Yeah - the dirt gets on everyone around him. Just ask all his friends who've been sent to jail. Starr couldn't pin filegate on Bill, but only because all the evidence points to Hillary. Her turn is coming.

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Message: Dear Hillary, I myself am doing backround information on you for a report I am creating for my school. I have checked out many biographies about you, but have yet to find one crucial element to my report. This element being what your 3 greatest contributions are to society. I myself can not judge becuase there are so many. Iw ould really appreciate it if you could tell me what you personally believe your three greatest contributions to society are. Thank you very much for your time.

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Message: Dear Hillary, I myself am doing backround information on you for a report I am creating for my school. I have checked out many biographies about you, but have yet to find one crucial element to my report. This element being what your 3 greatest contributions are to society. I myself can not judge becuase there are so many. Iw ould really appreciate it if you could tell me what you personally believe your three greatest contributions to society are. Thank you very much for your time. -Mike Weber

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Message: Dear Hillary, I myself am doing backround information on you for a report I am creating for my school. I have checked out many biographies about you, but have yet to find one crucial element to my report. This element being what your 3 greatest contributions are to society. I myself can not judge becuase there are so many. Iw ould really appreciate it if you could tell me what you personally believe your three greatest contributions to society are. Thank you very much for your time. -Mike Weber

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Message: Dear Hillary, I myself am doing backround information on you for a report I am creating for my school. I have checked out many biographies about you, but have yet to find one crucial element to my report. This element being what your 3 greatest contributions are to society. I myself can not judge becuase there are so many. Iw ould really appreciate it if you could tell me what you personally believe your three greatest contributions to society are. Thank you very much for your time. -Mike Weber

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Message: Dear Hillary, I myself am doing backround information on you for a report I am creating for my school. I have checked out many biographies about you, but have yet to find one crucial element to my report. This element being what your 3 greatest contributions are to society. I myself can not judge becuase there are so many. Iw ould really appreciate it if you could tell me what you personally believe your three greatest contributions to society are. Thank you very much for your time.

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Jesse Helms is using our tax money to fund the School of Americas a school which trains assassins to kill, murder, rape and torture. Classified documents have just been released. Come on right-wingers - Show us your mercy - Show us your Christianity - Get rid of Jesse Helms. This is MUCH worse than Bob Barr and Trent Lott's involvement in the CCC.. MUCH, MUCH worse.
The US Army School of Assassins, based in Fort Benning, Georgia, trains Latin American soldiers in combat, counter-insurgency, and counter-narcotics. Graduates of the School of Assassins have been responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses in Latin America. Among the SOA's nearly 60,000 graduates are some of the most notorious dictators of Latin America: Manuel Noreiga and Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtieri and Roberto Viola of Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, Guillermo Rodriguez of Ecuador, and Hugo Banzer Suarez of Bolivia. Lower-level graduates of the School of Assassins have been responsible for some of the most notorious massacres and human rights abuses including the assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero and the El Mozote Massacre.
www.soaw.org

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Message: Reagan was in power when hundreds and thousands of people in El Salvador were raped, murdered and brutally tortured. Reagan denied that it existed, but now the classified documents have been released. How many of you knew that your tax money was going to this organization? How many of you APPROVED of your tax money going to this organization. Compare this to Clinton's blowjob scandal and tell me which is worse?

How can you make it through the day knowing your tax money is going to this Nazi operation? Isn't it time to put an end to it? I know the people on this board are basically good people. Please do something. At lease go to the site. You can also call 1-800-227-8523 and order a video for $14.95 which will take up 18 minutes of your time. You will hear and see the truth for yourself.

As we enter the New Millenium, isn't it time to end financing a nazi boot camp in our own country? Isn't it time to kick Jesse Helms out.

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Message: Take a look at the School of the Americas and tell me that Reagan and Bush were cleaner than Clinton who only lies over a blowjob. Mild by comparison to the terrible torture and suffering of thousands. Get your heads in perspective and send email to congress. Tell them to stop obsessing with blowjobs and de-fund this organization now. Your energies are better spent saving lives than obsessing with our president's attempts to cover up his blowjobs with Monica. You should be ashamed. All Conservatives should be ashamed. Murder, rape and torture is REAL IMMORALITY. Conservatives have a ridiculous perspective of what morality is. They think it's sex. It's not sex. It's murder, rape and brutal torture of innocent people, children, nuns, priests. This is the definition of morality. Tell congress to DE-FUND this School of the Americas NOW.

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Once again, a lame attempt to change the subject...

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Judicial Review
Thomas Sowell
Sept. 16, 1998

ONE OF THE UNFORTUNATE CONSEQUENCES of the media's preoccupation with presidential sex is that many people will never see the woods for the trees. The whole pattern of obstruction of justice that was used in the Lewinsky episode had been used before by both Clintons, time and again, going all the way back to their days in Arkansas.

Whether the particular issue at a given time was money, sex or power, the pattern has been the same. And it has been the same for Hillary Clinton as for Bill Clinton.

Just as Bill Clinton said that he "never had sex with that woman," so Hillary wrote in her newspaper column in January 1996 that she had been cleared of any involvement in the massive frauds that led to the collapse of the Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan Association in Arkansas. To add emphasis, she said that a "prominent Republican, former U.S. Attorney Jay Stephens, headed the inquiry" by the Pillsbury law firm that supposedly exonerated her.

Several months of Senate committee investigations, however, revealed an entirely different story. Jay Stephens not only did not head the inquiry, he had nothing to do with writing the report and refused even to review it, since he knew that doing so would make it look as if he were involved with it or approved it. "I refused to do that," he said, "because I was not involved."

Mr. Stephens was not involved because the White House went ballistic at the outset, when it was first suggested that he might be involved. The billing records of the law firm confirm that Stephens was quickly phased out of this investigation that Hillary Clinton claimed he "headed."

Two other members of the same law firm wrote reports and one of them said: "I don't think our reports exonerated anybody of anything." Their whole purpose was to determine whether it made economic sense to launch a civil lawsuit against Madison Guaranty, not to determine which individuals might be guilty or innocent.

In the same column, Hillary Clinton said that she did "minimal legal work on Madison." Yet records showed that she had dozens of meetings with the people for whom she did this "minimal" legal work.

More records might have revealed even more information, but Hillary had many of those records destroyed at the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner. Other records were stolen from the same firm by Webster Hubbell and turned over to White House lawyer Vincent Foster. This is the same Vincent Foster who committed suicide on the day when the FBI began seizing documents in Arkansas.

This is the same Vincent Foster whose office was ransacked for hours after his death, despite requests from law enforcement officials that nothing be touched until they got there. This is the same Vincent Foster whose fingerprints were found -- along with Hillary's -- on billing records that got "lost" in the White House for two years after they were subpoenaed.

In all of this, we see the same utter disregard for the truth and the same pattern of destroying evidence and obstructing justice that most people have heard about only through the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Consider this column the "family hour" account of how the Clintons operate.

These would be mere incidental facts about individuals if those individuals did not have and wield the enormous power and influence that come with living in the White House. Their clout has been used to corrupt the processes of government for their own personal benefit. Such abuses of power are not just their "private lives" or "family problems that are nobody else's business."

The question is not even what the Clintons do or do not deserve. Ultimately, the issue is not what their past has been like, but what this country's future will be like if holders of powers can use their positions to put themselves above the law.

The fact that nobody is above the law has given the United States and a relative handful of other countries the freedom that makes us different from the corrupt despotisms that have been the norm over most of the planet and for most of history.

It isn't fashionable to talk about the blessings of this country in this politically correct time of complaint and condemnation. But, if we ever forget these blessings -- or let them erode because we have become fat, dumb and happy -- we will learn the hard way what blessings we once had, but only after it is too

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Message: Zippy, so your think a School of the Americas where we send $30 million of our tax money each year to teach others, mostly South Americans, to brutally torture thousands of the poor in other countries is an "attempt to change the subject" from Bill's blowjobs? You conservatives are more obsessed with sex and getting Bill than I believed. Of all the people to say that I thought you would be the last. Well I can tell you, Zippy, that I am proud to change the subject. I am proud that I can think of issues other than blowjobs and coverups. You should have heard our military calling in on the talk show last night reporting on what they were trained in that School. You stick with the blowjobs, Zippy, and I will push this issue for a while because its the MORAL THING TO DO.

So now you know, Zippy, why God has chosen the Liberals to lead the way into the New Millenium and not the Conservatives. The right-wing are the most obsessed group in the world. You should be ashamed.

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I stand corrected. Yes, let's get rid of a school that trained 60,000 soldiers to do what soldiers do; Kill People. After all there must be a hundred of those guys that took that knowledge and did evil things with it. Surely none of those soldiers ever did anything to further the causes of freedom or liberty. They're all bad people so let's close the school. No more bad people will ever be trained to do bad things then! And while we're at it let's destroy all our nuclear weapons and disband all the branches of the Military. They are all evil too so let's destroy them. The UN will take care of us! Just give them enough money and they can solve any problem! And while we're at it, we could make it illegal for any American to have a Gun, that would end all that carnage! And we could make Tobacco illegal and save millions! And we could outlaw SUV's and save Mother Earth! And...

You Liberals are naive beyond all belief.

P.S. God may have "chosen the Liberals to lead the way into the New Millenium" but the American People have not.

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For those interested in both sides of the story you can check out the U.S. Army School of the Americas web site. You Libs might want to pay special attention to the link to the Human Rights lesson plan for all trainees. Most of these people are brave patriots who've come to the U.S. for the best training in the world. For anyone to blame the U.S. Army School of the Americas for the behavior of every one of their graduates is inane. There have been many Marines who took to bank robbing after they left boot camp. Should we close the Marine training centers too?! This whole discussion is moronic.

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Message: Zippy, so your think a School of the Americas where we send $30 million of our tax money each year to teach others, mostly South Americans, to brutally torture thousands of the poor in other countries is an "attempt to change the subject" from Bill's blowjobs? You conservatives are more obsessed with sex and getting Bill than I believed. Of all the people to say that I thought you would be the last. Well I can tell you, Zippy, that I am proud to change the subject. I am proud that I can think of issues other than blowjobs and coverups. You should have heard our military calling in on the talk show last night reporting on what they were trained in that School. You stick with the blowjobs, Zippy, and I will push this issue for a while because its the MORAL THING TO DO.

So now you know, Zippy, why God has chosen the Liberals to lead the way into the New Millenium and not the Conservatives. The right-wing are the most obsessed group in the world. You should be ashamed.

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Clinton is the cleanest president we have ever had and that is more than you can accept because you spent so much of our money to find nothing. Stop already.

Editors, the above statement made me laugh so hard milk came out of my nose - well, not really because I don't really like milk, I meant figuratively speaking. Ken Starr was NEVER tasked with looking into the Clinton Death List and therefore never investigated these claim (unless you count Vince Foster). As for Clinton being clean - give me a break. His White House fires the career travel office people and trumped up baseless FBI charges to cover their tracks so they could give a few friends a cool new job - this is fact. This White House illegally obtained the FBI files for 900 of their political enemies - this is fact. This president was a partner in a very illegal land deal that raped a savings and loan and cost the tax payers millions of dollars - this is fact. Ken Starr could not charge Clinton with crimes in these cases but the fact that he was involved is undisputed. Bill Clinton is first elected president to be duly impeached by congress - this makes him the dirtiest president in history because not even Nixon was impeached. The Democrats spent many more years and many more millions of dollars on Iran/Contra and proved nothing - no impeachment - not even close. I think that makes Reagan and Bush about 100 times cleaner than Bill "the first elected president to be impeached" Clinton. Editors, join use in reality.

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Zippy, so your think a School of the Americas where we send $30 million of our tax money each year to teach others, mostly South Americans, to brutally torture thousands of the poor in other countries is an "attempt to change the subject" from Bill's blowjobs?

What a silly statement - Editor are you that naïve and are you that susceptible to propaganda. First, Jesse Helms CAN NOT spend money by himself. Second, your knowledge of El Salvador is lacking. Reagan backed the freedom fighters (those fighting for democracy) - the democrat speaker of the house backed the socialist guerillas headed by Daniel Ortega. The Democrat Speaker of the house went to El Salvador and had his picture taken with the socialist dictator wanna-be and pledged to do anything to kill Reagan's funding of the fighting for democracy - this lead to the illegal amendment pased by the democrat controlled house (remember the bad ole days)- the Bolin (sp) Amendment - that became the center of Iran/Contra witch hunt (this amendment no longer exists). The war in El Salvador was disgusting on both sides and both sides participated in "was crimes". Reagan backed the winning side and El Salvador is democracy. War is not pretty. Propaganda is worst - while you are buying propaganda videotapes, don't forget to pick up the "Clinton Chronicles". What amazes me is your obsession with finding excuses for Clinton - if all that you say was true it would still have no relationship or bearing on Clinton and therefore you can not use it as some kinda weird excuse to justify Clinton's perjury and obstruction of justice.. As for your claim that 30 million is used to teach others to brutally torture thousands - what baseless innuendo, get some REAL proof before you spout rumors or information you gathered from a propaganda pages. Remember your reaction to the Danny Williams story - don't be a hypocrite.

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Message: USARSA 1998 BUDGET

The total budget for the U.S. Army School of the Americas at Fort Benning, Ga., for 1998 is about $3.9 million, composed of two principle funding sources. These figures do not include military salaries which typically are not calculated in Army unit budgets:

Operational & Maintenance, Army funds ($2.7 million)
Security Assistance funds ($1.2 million)

Note to editors - the budget of the Army is passed by Congress and the President - not by Jesse Helms alone.

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Since USARSA went on-line in February 1997, the Public Affairs Office has received many requests to "hear the other side of the story":  thus, we are providing information from clippings, broadcasts, speeches and letters for all to read.

Paul Mulshine, Star-Ledger (N.J.) Columnist

"The so-called "liberation theologists" of the 1960s and after developed a love for political power that overcame their love for peace.  When the wars broke out in Central America in the late 1970s, they didn't hesitate to endorse the use of modern weaponry to attain the old-world goal of gaining earthly power over their fellow man."

"The SOA Watch people had originally gotten Azzolina's (N.J. Assemblyman) attention with claims that the School of the Americas is what they termed a "school of assassins".  Their propaganda technique is to take virtually every atrocity that ever occured in Latin America--except, of course, the many atrocities of the Sandinistas--and link it to a graduate of the School of the Americas. Typical was their assertion that the assassination of Archbishop Romero was the SOA's fault because Romero was killed by Roberto D'Aubuisson, a Salvadoran colonel who had once attended the SOA.  The impression created is that D'Aubuisson was coached in assassination by the evil Americans at Fort Benning.  One problem: D'Aubuisson's sole link to the school was that he had taken a course in radio operations long before El Salvador's civil war began."

"Then there was the Guatemalan general Hector Gramajo, derided by SOA Watch as a School of the Americas graduate.  Actually, he didn't attend the SOA.  He did attend Harvard, however, so perhaps that school should be shut down too."

"It was illogic like that which created false impressions of the school, Azzolina said.  He had since requested that the SOA Watch take his name off the press release and he told me he intended to oppose the bill."

"The next day I went to Trenton to see what would happen to the bill.  It was a frightening experience.  The group held a press conference in an Assembly hearing room.  As I entered the room I realized that I seemed to be the only journalist there.  The rest of the room was full of SOA Watch people. Bourgeois began to address the faithful. "New Jersey is going to send a signal to the rest of the country that we are not going to tolerate a school that encourages terrorism and torture," he said.  All around the room faces glowed.   The atmosphere was reminiscent of Managua back when the Sandinistas were denouncing the evil yanqui.  Bourgeois uttered the usual string of lies and half-truths about the U.S. military and his apostles nodded approvingly."

"I spoke to several of these people and not one had the slightest idea what communism is, was, or had been. My favorite was Linda Panetta...Anyhow, when I called her up the night before I asked her about a quote she had given to our reporter.  She had told him that none of the Latin-American Marxists were Marxists and that "There has never been a Communist threat, in Latin America.   "What about Cuba?" I asked.  She began to hem and haw. Then she hung up. (A common pattern among SOA Watch people, by the way. They are so used to getting softball questions from the liberal media that at the first sign of critical thinking they end the conversation."

"The only concession to sanity was that the Assembly leadership had cancelled a speech by Bourgeois, Azzolina told me. In other words, the New Jersey Assembly came within inches of letting a man who had patrolled with a Marxist guerrilla group--one that was responsible for the deaths of 29 American servicemen during the 1980s--take its floor for a round of America-bashing."

"Having been so thouroughly rejected by history, Roy Bourgeois and his followers seem determined to find some sort of moral vindication.   But they refuse to do so honestly.  They refuse to stick to the arguments they made back when the Cold War was still in balance...They say that now with the Cold War ended, it is no longer necessary for the U.S. to play the sort of role it once did in Central America.  This argument has great resonance with many Americans who would not for a second support Castro, the Sandinistas, or any of the other Marxist so popular with SOA Watch."

(Heterodoxy, Feb. 98)

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Gen. C.E. Wilhelm

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Letter to Senator McConnell, Chairman on Appropriations

As you know, our engagement strategy has always been to encourage Latin American military institutions to evolve from largely autonomous actors in regional affairs and domestic politics to a more professional model subordinate to democratically elected civil authority...The School of the Americas has provided this foundation and continues to spark change for the militaries of Latin America.

Training is a long-term investment in a positive relationship with our Latin American allies and is consistent with the changing political and economic environment.  The School of the Americas has reinforced these ideals and trained nearly 60,000 officers, cadets, noncommissioned officers and civilians from Latin America and the United States over the past 50 years.

International training programs at the School of the Americas expose students to U.S. military doctrine and practices.  These include instruction for foreign military members and civilians on developing defense resource management systems, regard for democratic values and civilian control of the military, respect for human rights and the rule of law.  We have witnessed tremendous progress in that virtually all Latin American countries have representative governments.  However, many of these democracies are embryonic and their fragile nature serves as a reminder that democracy is not irreversible.  It requires nurturing and so do the militaries as they assume new roles.  The School of the Americas engages some 1000 Latin American military members every year in the Spanish Language.  This represents one thousand opportunities to quietly deepen the roots of democracy.

I consider the School of the Americas so vital to our national security interests that if I were to lose it today, I would only request to reestablish it tomorrow...at a considerable price.  That is why I wanted to take this opportunity to personally reaffirm to you my strong support for the School of the Americas as you and the members of the committee make important decisions that will influence achievement of U.S. goals and objectives in Latin America.

(Letter to Senator Mitch McConnell -- 29 July 1998)

Maj. Gen. (Retired) Wallace Nutting

Biddeford Pool, Maine

Since World War II, a part of this Army has trained and positively influenced many soldiers and armies worldwide.  One small organization, the Army School of the Americas, which was established in the 1940s and moved to Ft. Benning, Ga., in the 1980s, has trained and positively motivated more than 60,000 Latin Americans.

Some thuggish few of those graduates from particularly violent cultures have repressed freedom and human rights.  For that, a small group of radicals...periodically call for the school's closure claiming it teaches torture, murder, rape and other crimes.

These charges are outrageous and libelous, and do a tremendous disservice to America's soldiers.  It is the worst form of stereotyping and it is wrong.  The vast majority of those trained at the School of the Americas and comparable U.S. Navy and Air Force schools have made good and important contributions to their own countries.

(Letter to the Editor, Press Herald, Maine, 1998)

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"School is compared to Nazis" Article

Rep. Esteban Torres, Calif.

"To see that training that takes place in this country of military troops of another country...is tantamount to what Nazis did."

Rep. Mac Collins, Ga.

"I regret that he (Torres) has not attended the school to find out firsthand the operation of the school, the curriculum of the school or talked to attendees of the school."

Capt. Kevin McIver, USARSA Public Affairs Officer

"Its ironic that we were compared to the Nazis, especially since the Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America recently adopted a resolution in support of the school."

(Columbus Ledger-Enquirer, 24 JULY 98; and telephone interview 23 JULY 98)

Doug Saxon, Calif.

Senator Feinstein:

I've addressed this issue to your office once before and received no response, but I think it's important, so I'd like to do so once more.

I am disturbed by comments made yesterday I believe (7/23) by Congressman Joseph P Kennedy regarding his campaign to close the US Army School Of The Americas at Fort Benning, Georgia. He claims that human rights abuses perpetrated by SOA graduates in Latin American countries are doctrinal to the US Army training those officers have received at the school. My experience as an Army Vietnam combat veteran compels me to think this is not true. For as many human rights abuses as were committed by US troops in that conflict (and there were many), NONE were doctrinal. Rather they were human. If you recall the massacre at My Lai for example, it was finally stopped by a US Army helicopter crew who were determined not to let it continue. It is this concern for what is right that is constantly inculcated into US armed forces personnel, the contrary committed by a relative few notwithstanding.

What disturbs me furthermore about Kennedy's comments is how easy a target the military is for someone with a broader agenda. This is somewhat akin to the recent "Tailwind" fiasco at CNN: Sure, go ahead, disinform on the military. Who's going to say anything. Well...we know  how that turned out...at least to a somewhat more constructionist extent. It's always much easier to tear something down than to build it up or try to improve upon it. Should Harvard University, or wherever Kennedy went to school, be closed because a relatively small minority of its alumni has at some point engaged in criminal or other anti-social behavior?

I am not saying that military activities should not be monitored. This is essential to a democracy and civilian governance. But to insist on closing the School of the Americas based on a very concerted campaign of disinformation does no service whatsoever to the United States and Latin America. Rather, I strongly feel it is in our country's best interests to foster strong military ties with as many other countries in our hemisphere as we can, knowing that it is also in our interests to "understand" the military thinking of their leadership as well for an obviously wide variety of militarily related reasons.

One other important point: If we don't take the most pro-active role in training and working with the military forces of Latin American nations, there are many other countries not necessarily friendly to US interests who would be only too happy to fill such a void.

Thank you very much.

Doug Saxon
Los Angeles

(In a letter Mr. Saxon sent to his Senator -- letter provided by Mr. Saxon to USARSA on 28 July 1998)

Philip Clarke, Journalist, S.C.

"Protestors have every right, of course, to demonstrate against our government's policies. But the American public also has the right to hear from both sides.  Based on the facts, the case for continuing the School of the Americas is compelling." (News & Record, 12 July 98).

Jerry Adams

News & Record, Greensboro, North Carolina

"I agree with your evaluation of the critics of the School.  Their naivete is fairly typical."

(In a letter to Philip Clarke in response to his questions about his Letter to the Editor, July 29, 1998)

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Joseph A. Zito, John X. Linnehan, Claire C. O'Mara, Raymond G. Laport, Joanne Lingle, William J. Corrigan, and Robert M. Holstein, Jr.

(Appeals from the United States District Court for the Middle District of Georgia)

"Thirteen protesters staged political demonstrations on the grounds of the Fort Benning military base in Georgia and were subsequently convicted of criminal tresspass pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 1381 (1994).   Seven of the demonstrators now appeal, asserting that their convictions were obtained in violation of the First Ammendment, because the regulation prohibiting political demonstrations on the base ws not applied in a content-neutral fashion.  We conclude that the regulation was applied in a content-neutral fashion and that the appellants' convictions were not obtained in violation of the First Ammendment.  We therefore affirm the judgements of the district court."   (June 25, 1998)

Wade H. Hannah, Ga.

"The efforts of the School of the Americas Watch to close the school at Fort Benning, Ga., are terribly misguided." (Letter from Readers, Times-Union, 15 June 98).

Brian Sheridan

Deputy and Principal Advisor to the Assistant Secretary of Defense

"What they're doing here is critically important.   There is no greater threat to our hemisphere right now than drug trafficking and the young people that just graduated are going to go out and risk their lives trying to keep cocaine, heroin and marijuana off the streets of the United States.  We are giving them the skills to be successful in stopping narcotrafficking in their countries.   We're giving them the skills they need to help keep drugs off the streets of America." (Remarks during USARSA Counterdrug Operations Course graduation, 19 March 98).

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Dear Zippy,

If I hear you right, trying to prevent war, preventing murder and torture, saving the environment, working with the rest of the nations in the UN, treating tobacco as the drug it is, being afraid for our children and our own safety on our city street because other children, drunks, MEN and other criminals carry guns...all these things make us naive and therefore should not be considered as proper public policy issues? Do I hear you right?

Just because human beings are not perfect doesn't mean that we have to stop trying to preserve this planet for our children. Just because some people are idealistic and want to help the world doesn't make them naive nor stupid. Some people do actually think about others in this world and act in such a way that their presence here on earth makes the world a better place. They are kind and loving and generous, not paranoid, mean, narrow or righteous. I am offended by your assumptions.

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After a little bit of research - it looks to me like the accusations of the Editor about the United States Army School of the Americas is baseless, slanderous, propaganda. The source looks to be a left-wing extremist propaganda page that has no basis in reality. Editor, I thought you were against story that was based on innuendo and unsourced rumors - like Danny Williams. Why are you spreading this innuendo - is it OK as long as it helps the Clinton cover-up?

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Just because some people are idealistic and want to help the world doesn't make them naive nor stupid.

But when they base their entire argument on baseless, slanderous, innuendo - that does make then either naïve, stupid, and dishonest (check all that apply)

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once again with better use of English Just because some people are idealistic and want to help the world doesn't make them naive nor stupid.

But when they base their entire argument on baseless, slanderous, innuendo - that does make them either naïve, stupid, or dishonest (check all that apply)

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Larry Flynt's Investigator

Media Monitor
February 2, 1999 By Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid

The Wall Street Journal lead editorial of January 18 charged that pornographer Larry Flynt, the publisher of Hustler magazine, had launched "a blackmail campaign designed to intimidate" United States Senators "into giving the President a pass." Noting that Flynt had already publicized dirt he had dug up about the private lives of two members of the House, Bob Livingston of Louisiana and Bob Barr of Georgia, the Journal asked, "Who can doubt that Senators, if they vote the wrong way, will be next?"

The Journal said, "One Dan Moldea has appeared from almost nowhere to volunteer as the source of Mr. Flynt’s dirt." Moldea had told the Washington Times a few days earlier, (quote) "We have a lot of these guys dead bang, and the evidence is clear. But they haven’t been going on TV or on the floor of Congress, shooting their mouths off, trying to take the moral high ground against Clinton. And as a consequence, we’re throwing it back in the river. We’re concentrating on people who have been very visible on this."

Dan Moldea did not appear from almost nowhere. A year ago he published a book about the death of former White House deputy counsel Vincent Foster. When he began working on the book, he came to Accuracy in Media for help. We knew that he had been associated with the far-left Institute for Policy Studies several years ago, but he assured us that he had no axe to grind and that he would be guided by the evidence. We took him at his word. We gave him copies of the many reports we had written about the case and either loaned him or told him where to get books that covered the evidence in great detail.

We knew that if he was an honest reporter he would reach the same conclusion that every honest reporter or independent investigator who had studied the case thoroughly had reached. That is that Foster did not commit suicide in the park where his body was found. As Moldea’s investigation progressed, we heard reports that he was telling the U.S. Park Police officers who had botched the official investigation that he was on their side. When we asked him about this, he said he had to tell them that to get them to talk.

But when his book came out, we found that it was nothing but a defense of the findings of the official investigations. It didn’t provide answers to any of the serious questions that AIM and others had raised about those findings. Moldea got some information from the police that cast strong doubt on claims made by the official investigators, but he buried it in the endnotes where few readers would see it.

But we were surprised to find Moldea working for Larry Flynt in his scheme to find dirt about Republican members of Congress that could be used to help Clinton hang on to the presidency. Regnery, a conservative house, had been conned into publishing Moldea’s whitewash of the Foster investigations, and we had been conned into helping him. But we didn’t think he would stoop to helping a porn publisher intimidate members of Congress.

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Name: Vernon to Editors

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Message: If you democrats are so much better than us conservatives, then why in the hell don't you get your president to sign a ban on partial birth abortions? And don't give any crap about a womans right to choose, partial birth abortions are nothing but murder.

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Name: Fabius to Editors and Others

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Message: When you bag on Clinton for his Naziism maybe others will listen about OTHER countries, but for now we are concerned about FETAL RESEARCH and the PROFITABLE SLAUGHTER of the most innocent in barbaric ways. You wonder why people don't listen to you when you call Reagan a Nazi for denying slaughter of thousands in a foreign land, yet cheer the demon in chief signing off on stabbing babies through the brain after delivery, burning them with saline or pulling them limb from limb and putting the pieces together on a table to make sure they got all of it. 1,500,000 a year right here while you worry about Reagan 15 years ago....get a clue. REAGAN IS NOT PRESIDENT.....GET OVER IT! Right now we have a man actively involved in Human Sacrafice right here......MAKE SURE YOU DONT LET THOSE RIGHT WINGERS GET A STEP FORWARD IN ABORTION. IF YOU WANT TO KILLEM WITH A STAB TO THE BRAIN....GO FOR IT. PROCHOICE!

Shut up about other countries!!! Save BABIES here, then you may begin to have some credibility. "Proclaiming themselves wise, they became fools." "Therefore God turned them over to depraved mind."

God Help US!

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Name: Editors to Vernon

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Message: The concept of partial birth abortions bothers us too, but if we ban it then we find ourselves on the "thin edge of the wedge" so to speak. Once you open the door a crack we women will find ourselves in back alleys with knitting needles, like we did in the old days.

If you are really as concerned about human suffering, why do you focus only on the unborn? It is not in the Republican nature to alleviate the suffering of those who are already born? Why is this? It has always bothered me that your concern regarding the suffering of mankind stops when mankind is born? Could you answer this for me please?

The other thing that bothers me about the GOP is that if you are really so concerned about the suffering of the unborn why don't you work to PREVENT the suffering from occuring in the first place? Why are you opposed to the abortion pill? This causes no suffering. Nature expels fetuses from the womb in far greater numbers than abortions. Why do you oppose birth control measures?

Why doesn't the GOP spend some of its money on heavy advertising to young people to abstain from sex? Why doesn't the GOP take some of it's money and create Abstinence Clubs where people can meet each other knowing that they don't have to "put out." Some churches, like the Mormon church, have this rule, but I would like to see non-religious clubs where people of all belief systems can meet without the religious overtones. Just abstinence-for-survival organizations. As a female I always resented that females eventually had to decide whether to "give in" or "give up" the male of her choice. Maybe she can postpone the inevitable for two weeks, perhaps four weeks (that's a lot) but then F-Day arrives -- give in or get out.

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Message: It's not that Democrats are so much better than Republicans. We are just the same Liberals as we always were, but Republicans have gone so radical, so far to the right that you have pulled us into the center. In fact, here in California we perceive the GOP as having gone so far over to the right that not only have you pulled us into the center, you have pulled us slightly over to the right!!! The GOP is now perceived as the party of irresponsible right-wing religious fanatics obsessed with only one thing - getting our president. That's nuts, that's crazy. It has totally destroyed the image of the GOP.

Just walk out into the street and ask the first 10 people what the GOP stands for and they will say: against abortion; against our president; against the environment; for guns; for tobacco. Controlled by old white men who are not tuned into their constituents. That's a disgusting image to have!

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Message: Wondering if Editors think the Nazis experiments on babies was evil? It cannot be evil to them if they are intellectually honest. In their first week in office Hillary and Bill lifted the ban on Fetal "Tissue" research.

Hitler presided over the slaughter of 6 million Jews during his reign of power and Bill Clinton has presided over 10.5 million babies in America and in fact BLOCKED a ban twice on babies being stabbed in the brain ..... flinching little babies being stabbed through the head after being born. Babies are defenseless and you won't defend them, but you defend and worship the man in presiding over the slaughter. Your precedent gets his satisfaction in my White House while 187 babies in that hour are tortured and thrown into a dumpster. Most days the thoughts are unbearable for me as I look at my little girl. The babies will be avenged soon as their blood cries to heaven in wailing and sobbing.

Have any of you seen an abortion? NO! If you did you would have to finally become human. In the ten minutes it took to view a live abortion you would change your whole belief system. If you would not, you are in fact Hitler reincarnated.

Please consider looking into the truth about abortion. It is the one issue that is NOT propoganda. What is shown and said is true. Tell me the ONE way in which a baby is aborted humanely. There is none, no lethal injection where the baby falls asleep like you insist happening to the man that murdered my mom's sister (Terry Lee), my friends husband (shot Lynn three times and said die bitch over what he thought was her naked and dead body) and my brother in law's little sister Wendy Rachelle; 1972-1987. It is inhumane you say to give him the death penalty in which many, many of the right agree with you. But will any and I mean ANY on the left agree that abortion is pure evil and performed by satan himself? Most of you w

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Name: Fabius

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Message: Lets pretend that the knitting needles argument is valid. How many of the 4,500 women and children involved in "unwanted" pregnancies each day are STUPID? Are that many women and children stupid? Lets pretend that 1 out of 45 are STUPID and go to Guido in the "back alleys" and allow him to plunge a "coat hanger" into their vagina. The death toll is now 36,500 women or children per year that CHOSE their own demise and the 36,500 babies that were by "CHOICE" murdered too. I don't for a minute believe that even 1 in 45 would make that choice and I don't believe that children (for the most part - extreme majority) would make that choice. They see it much more clearly and purely than adults do ....... wasting a perfectly good baby.

That seems to me to be the true definition of PROCHOICE and finally having to think about the alternative which is abstinence and the honor of putting their babies up for adoption to loving families. I can see you now with your mouth open that I would dare make a person responsible for their own lives.

We who believe we know the answer to the unwanted pregnancy issue have fought to KEEP abstinence as an educational tool in the schools and liberal judges call that a religious principle. WHAT THE? Teach kids that sex is for the holiness of marriage. NO WAY, that is unrealistic. Puritans!

To the poor unfortunate babies who themselves get raped and find themselves pregnant ....... I will take them all. There are thousands of support groups and families like myself that would take them in in a second. Because some of these precious little girls are lost in this evil society does not in any way justify 1,500,000 babies being murdered.

What you liberals continue to say over and over is to save 36,500 STUPID women a year we need to allow them to kill 1.5 million. Or because (liberal number) a few h

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Message: Lets pretend that the knitting needles argument is valid. How many of the 4,500 women and children involved in "unwanted" pregnancies each day are STUP

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Message: Lets pretend that the knitting needles argument is valid. How many of the 4,500 women and children involved in "unwanted" pregnancies each day are STUP

Name: Fabius

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Message: Lets pretend that the knitting needles argument is valid. How many of the 4,500 women and children involved in "unwanted" pregnancies each day are STUPID? Are that many women and children stupid? Lets pretend that 1 out of 45 are STUPID and go to Guido in the "back alleys" and allow him to plunge a "coat hanger" into their vagina. The death toll is now 36,500 women or children per year that CHOSE their own demise and the 36,500 babies that were by "CHOICE" murdered too. I don't for a minute believe that even 1 in 45 would make that choice and I don't believe that children (for the most part - extreme majority) would make that choice. They see it much more clearly and purely than adults do ....... wasting a perfectly good baby.

That seems to me to be the true definition of PROCHOICE and finally having to think about the alternative which is abstinence and the honor of putting their babies up for adoption to loving families. I can see you now with your mouth open that I would dare make a person responsible for their own lives.

We who believe we know the answer to the unwanted pregnancy issue have fought to KEEP abstinence as an educational tool in the schools and liberal judges call that a religious principle. WHAT THE? Teach kids that sex is for the holiness of marriage. NO WAY, that is unrealistic. Puritans!

To the poor unfortunate babies who themselves get raped and find themselves pregnant ....... I will take them all. There are thousands of support groups and families like myself that would take them in in a second. Because some of these precious little girls are lost in this evil society does not in any way justify 1,500,000 babies being murdered.

What you liberals continue to say over and over is to save 36,500 STUPID women a year we need to allow them to kill 1.5 million. Or because (liberal number) a few h

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Message: I think it is a sign. I cannot come here without posting problems and am not heard anyway. Passion for the unborn is lost in such a place when the honoree of the page exports the slaughter in the name of humanity. As I have said before, Bill and Hillary love humanity, but hate people. There is a young kid on this page that actually thinks Hillary will answer him. Lost souls.

Sorry again for the repost, this time I thought I knew what was going on then I hit the space bar and it goes blotto not posting all that I wrote, then reposting when I try to clear the location box.

For what it is worth, I am confident one person ..... at least one will now rise to stand for babies and affect the lives of those around them.

I know you feel this too Dems, but I will say it bluntly. "Do not cast your pearls before swine."

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"If I hear you right, trying to prevent war, preventing murder and torture, saving the environment, working with the rest of the nations in the UN, treating tobacco as the drug it is, being afraid for our children and our own safety on our city street because other children, drunks, MEN and other criminals carry guns...all these things make us naive and therefore should not be considered as proper public policy issues?"

To the contrary. Feeling these things makes you human. It's the approach you take to solving these problems that makes you naive. Let's take it issue by issue:

• "trying to prevent war, preventing murder and torture," - Closing a school in the US that tries very hard to instill in the foreign soldiers that attend the American set of morals and responsibilities concerning the power they have as soldiers does nothing to alleviate war. In fact, not trying to guide these people into more professional attitudes and skills would certainly lead to more injustice!
• "saving the environment" - This is of course a noble cause, but save it from what? And at what cost? In the case of SUV's it is clear that the passengers in these vehicles are far more likely to survive a wreck. Are we going to tell people they must put their kids in less safe cars to save a few gallons of gasoline? I say we invest as heavily as we can in technology to solve that problem. Technology has made incredible advances in my short life and it only seems to be accelerating. With patience these problems will be solved because the market will insist on it. Dead people and poor people can't spend nearly as much money as rich, living people.
• "working with the rest of the nations in the UN," - Giving our future over to ANY organization is not in our interest or any one else's. America is the most powerful nation on earth for many reasons. None of those reasons involve our following the wishes of an inept organization filled with nations who despise the United States. I suggest to you that history has shown that we lead far better than we follow.
• "treating tobacco as the drug it is," - I agree. We should either designate it a controlled substance or lay the hell off the Tobacco Industry. There is virtually no one left on the face of the earth that doesn't know that smoking is bad for them. BUT "Freedom" dictates that we let stupid people be stupid if they want. I would gladly back legislation that made smokers virtually uninsurable from cancer but I would never take someone's freedom from them "for their own good" nor would I punish an industry for selling a legal product.
• "being afraid for our children and our own safety on our city street because other children, drunks, MEN and other criminals carry guns" - Until one of you Libs tells me how to keep guns out of the hands of criminals I can see absolutely no way to justify keeping them out of the hands of the citizens. I carry a gun when I feel the need. I have a license to do so. I find that this (and the training and practice) make me far less afraid of predatory punks. By the way, your little dig at MEN ("MEN and other criminals") speaks volumes.

I have been very patient here and explained (as I have done countless times) my point of view. Just what do you take issue with?

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Name: Fabius to Editors

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Message: Before I leave ..... one more question.

Are you saying that you will not stand to save thousands of babies a year being born and pierced through the brain RIGHT NOW, because of the possibility that some day abortion might be overturned?

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Message: Thin edge of the wedge? Apparently murder of unborn innocent children who CANNOT defend themselves is okay with you. You don't have to go into any backalley, if you don't want a baby then don't engage in the activity that makes babies. It is not in the nature of Republicans to alleviate the suffering of those already born? Who the hell are YOU to say that? To begin with I'm not a Republican but I plan on registering that way this year because of people like you. It is not now nor will it ever be my responsibility to take care of other people who are either too lazy or too stupid to take care of themselves. For the truly legitimate people who need public assistance, give them as much as they need. For the others if you want to give them YOUR money, do so, but do not force me to give them mine. You democrats want to take away from me and others like me who are willing to work and make things better for my family. That's your way, redistribution of wealth. If you want it that way, move to a socialist country. The following is what I think: The Bill of No Rights by Lewis W. Napper napper@teclink.net http://home.teclink.net/~napper We, the sensible of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden delusional, and other liberal, commie, pinko bedwetters. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of No Rights. ARTICLE I You do not have the right to a new car, big-screen color TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything. ARTICLE II You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be. ARTICLE III You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all of your relatives independently wealthy. ARTICLE IV You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes. ARTICLE V You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care. ARTICLE VI You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and kill you. ARTICLE VII You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big-screen color TV or a life of leisure. ARTICLE VIII You do not have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat. ARTICLE IX You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have one, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities in education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. ARTICLE X You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness -- which, by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those around you who were confused by the Bill of Rights Vern

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Message: Lets pretend that the knitting needles argument is valid. How many of the 4,500 women and children involved in "unwanted" pregnancies each day are STUPID? Are that many women and children stupid? Lets pretend that 1 out of 45 are STUPID and go to Guido in the "back alleys" and allow him to plunge a "coat hanger" into their vagina. The death toll is now 36,500 women or children per year that CHOSE their own demise and the 36,500 babies that were by "CHOICE" murdered too. I don't for a minute believe that even 1 in 45 would make that choice and I don't believe that children (for the most part - extreme majority) would make that choice. They see it much more clearly and purely than adults do ....... wasting a perfectly good baby.

That seems to me to be the true definition of PROCHOICE and finally having to think about the alternative which is abstinence and the honor of putting their babies up for adoption to loving families. I can see you now with your mouth open that I would dare make a person responsible for their own lives.

We who believe we know the answer to the unwanted pregnancy issue have fought to KEEP abstinence as an educational tool in the schools and liberal judges call that a religious principle. WHAT THE? Teach kids that sex is for the holiness of marriage. NO WAY, that is unrealistic. Puritans!

To the poor unfortunate babies who themselves get raped and find themselves pregnant ....... I will take them all. There are thousands of support groups and families like myself that would take them in in a second. Because some of these precious little girls are lost in this evil society does not in any way justify 1,500,000 babies being murdered.

What you liberals continue to say over and over is to save 36,500 STUPID women a year we need to allow them to kill 1.5 million. Or because (liberal number) a few h

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Message: How come you're not still yelling about Jesse Helms anymore? Is it because LVD exposed your slander by providing the real facts? It's reassuring to know that there are still people in America today like LVD, and like the House Republicans, who care to find out the facts, hear witnesses, examine the evidence, and aren't afraid to state the obvious conclusion.

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Message: It's not that Democrats are so much better than Republicans. We are just the same Liberals as we always were, but Republicans have gone so radical, so far to the right that you have pulled us into the center. In fact, here in California we perceive the GOP as having gone so far over to the right that not only have you pulled us into the center, you have pulled us slightly over to the right!!! The GOP is now perceived as the party of irresponsible right-wing religious fanatics obsessed with only one thing - getting our president. That's nuts, that's crazy. It has totally destroyed the image of the GOP.

Just walk out into the street and ask the first 10 people what the GOP stands for and they will say: against abortion; against our president; against the environment; for guns; for tobacco. Controlled by old white men who are not tuned into their constituents. That's a disgusting image to have!

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"The GOP is now perceived as the party of irresponsible right-wing religious fanatics obsessed with only one thing - getting our president. That's nuts, that's crazy. It has totally destroyed the image of the GOP."

That's very interesting but it is simply not supported by the statistical data. I will (AGAIN) post data from the latest Zogby Poll of likely voters:

Because of the Clinton-Lewinsky case, do you plan to change your party registration?

Yes	3.0
No	95.8
Not sure	1.2

If yes, what party will you be switching to?

Democrat	50.0
Republican	27.0
Independent	10.9
Not sure	12.1

It sure would be nice if you Libs faced up to the reality of this situation; America is becoming more Conservative with each passing day. Ever since the 1994 elections, when Clinton made a hard right in order to remain in power, it's been very clear; We are winning and you are whining.

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Why would the same Editors who condemned everyone who believed the story about Clinton's illegitimate son try to foist their own bogus accusations against Congressional conservatives?

Do they really want their audience to question every report that's based on hearsay, or only some?

Nonetheless, in the future I'll continue to put more trust in the Editors than in Bill Clinton.

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Message: Oh yes, that Zogby Poll. KlugeBoy "in the old days" used to bring polls in here from Zogby. They are still on the old forums somewhere. I can't remember exactly what the numbers were and I have no time to look it up, but Zogby predicted a landslide victory for the Republicans last November.

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Message: What's the matter with being white? Are you black? Are you a racist? Your remarks make you seem like one. What's the matter with owning guns? Nothing, they allow me to protect my family from zealots like you. What's the matter with tobacco? Are you saying that you don't have the willpower not to smoke? Now THAT is the disgusting image. You are a typical democrat, you don't want to take responsibility for your own actions, you always want someone else to do it for you. Get a brain and use it.

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Message: Comes now the famous NOSTRADAMUS who has NEVER BEEN WRONG in all the years NOSTRADAMUS has been making predictions on this forum. NOSTRADAMUS restates earlier predictions and says to you again:
1. Libby Dole will be president of the US
2. The GOP will lose control of Congress, both the House and the Senate.

NOSTRADAMUS IS NEVER WRONG...

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Message: SFLiberals really gets you in a rage, doesn't it Vermon. We don't smoke. We are obviously not racists. Nobody who is a racist could survive in San Francisco very long. We definitely have a lot more brains than you Vermon. We don't own guns. We have always lived in peace, and thank God, have never had to defend ourselves against gun-toting zealots like