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WASHINGTON, Dec. 20 — President Bill Clinton’s job approval rating reached new heights in the wake of the impeachment vote Saturday, according to the latest NBC News poll. The poll showed Clinton’s approval rating rose from 68 percent in a similar poll Tuesday to 72 percent after the House passed two articles of impeachment against him.
THE NBC POLL also found that 62 percent of the respondents said he should serve out his term — up 11 percentage points from Tuesday’s survey. The number of those who said the president should resign dropped 10 points from 44 percent to 34 percent. The poll of 510 adults had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percent. Clinton also held his own in a CBS/New York Times poll conducted Saturday. Sixty-six percent of the respondents thought it would be better for the country if Clinton did not resign, compared with 69 percent before the vote. The same 661 adults were interviewed last week before the House vote and gave almost identical answers on the question of resignation. Interviewers in the CBS/New York Times poll found that 63 percent of the respondents would prefer it if a compromise, like a censure or a fine, were worked out instead of holding a trial in the Senate. However 57 percent said they thought that the Senate would not compromise on the issue and that there would be a trial. The margin of error for the CBS/New York Times poll was plus or minus 4 percentage points. After the vote, the president and his aides said they hoped to find a “constitutional and fair” means to end his predicament short of a trial in the Senate. He also vowed not to resign, pledging to keep working “until the last hour of the last day” of his term. MSNBC..
Pushing back on GOP coup d’etat
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by Eric Alterman
Dec. 19 — The crisis is finally upon us. President Clinton has been impeached. The Republicans have their victory. The term “high crimes and misdemeanors” has been degraded to include lying about sex. The most serious sanction in our constitutional system has been reduced to a weapon of partisan warfare.
"If the Republicans want to commit political suicide by pursuing the path that has destroyed their two most recent leaders, well then, that’s their right. But they cannot be allowed to drag down the republic with them."
The impeachment vote is being driven by the ascendant radical wing of the party that, under Tom DeLay’s guidance, controls its fund-raising. Those who dare to buck DeLay and his crusade risk inspiring a well-funded conservative challenger without any help from the national party. Those who vote his way have two years to try to make the country forget, or to hide behind the excuse that the impeachment vote was not designed to remove the president, but only to signal the seriousness of his crimes and let the Senate decide the matter.
."Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their Constitution." MSNBC NEWS ...MORE....
EXAMINER COLUMNIST: Rob Morse
Monday, January 18, 1999
How many of you snapped your fingers and said, "I get it now. He's a liar. It isn't about sex. It's about perjury."
Sorry, but approximately zero Americans stayed tuned through the dullest attempted coup in history. Exactly zero changed their minds about anything.
Mind you, boring the populace into passivity isn't just a Republican tactic, although they seem to have perfected it.
Inflicting boredom is how both parties keep the citizenry out of politics, leaving democracy in the hands of reliable fanatics, advertising geniuses and rich special interests.
At newspapers, where some of us feel obliged to witness history even at its most tedious, we stayed awake by having contests based on the trial managers.
Worst comb-over: Steve Chabot. The immobile camera was a comb-over cam, installed at a very unflattering but appropriate angle - looking down on the trial managers.
Worst folksy opening: Bill McCollum's golly-geeing about his awe at God and nature when he saw the snow and geese outside the Capitol. Apparently, the geese were attracted by all the honking inside.
Name: Editors to Zippy the Wonderful Slug
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Message: IF, IF, IF... if Kenn Starr chose to behave honorably as every other prosecutor would have, he would never have illegally invaded Clinton's personal sex life. No other prosecutor would have done that. Not one single one.
So Kenn Starr has learned many lessons invading people's sexual privacy:
Lesson No. 1. If a prosecutor violates somebody's private sex life he is also violating our Constitutional Right to Privacy.
Lesson No. 2. If a prosecutor publishes pornography he has entered into Larry Flynt's domain. He can't cry because Larry must do what Larry does. AND it's no use blaming others for what happens when the prosecutor climbs into the same bed with Larry. Kenn Starr made the choice to climb into bed with Larry.
Lesson No. 3. If a prosecutor tortures witnesses, illegally obtains evidence, violates our civil rights, and tries to topple the twice-elected president of the opposition party, the prosecutor will become a greater danger to the country than the president's personal dalliances and coverups.
Lesson No. 4. No matter what the Republicans prove against Clinton, the American people will stand firm against Starr to prevent Starr copycats from erupting. The people are sending a message to all prosecutors: Never Again.
Name: Mark Twain
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Message: Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smoothe his brothers path to happiness and heaven.
Name: Mark Twain
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Message: Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smoothe his brothers path to happiness and heaven.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to the Editors
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Message:
Sorry for the copy and destroy tactic but since there are so many errors
it was the only way to point them all out (and I'm sure I'll miss a few
anyway).
"IF, IF, IF... if Kenn Starr chose to behave honorably as every other
prosecutor, he would never have illegally invaded Clinton's personal sex life.
No other prosecutor would have done that. Not one single one."
When you make accusations of illegal behavior you should back them up with
an example and petition Janet Reno to nail Starr for it. So far no one
has been able to do either! Ken Starr "invaded Clinton's personal sex life"
when Clinton lied under oath about it in an attempt to rob Paula Jones
of her constitutional right to a fair trial! Any prosecutor that turns his
back on an American citizens right to a fair trial isn't worth his weight in
donkey dung! Bill Clinton's lies under oath started this mess, not
Ken Starr!
"So Kenn Starr has learned many lessons invading people's privacy:"
You can characterize it any way you want but in reality he was gathering
evidence on a suspected criminal in strict accordance with the law.
That's his job.
"Lesson No. 1. If a prosecutor violates somebody's private sex life he is also violating
our Constitutional Right to Privacy."
If Ken Starr violated anyone's "Constitutional Right to Privacy" why did Janet
Reno allow him to do so and why hasn't he been brought up on charges for
doing so? Well??!!
"Lesson No. 2. If a prosecutor publishes pornography he has entered Larry Flynt's domain.
He can't cry because Larry must do what Larry does. It's no use blaming others for what
happens if the prosecutor climbs into the same bed with Larry. Kenn Starr made the choice
to climb into bed with Larry."
To compare Hustler Magazine to the Starr Report is ludicrous. They are light years
apart. I have read the Starr Report and have been told what is in that slimy magazine.
There is simply no comparison. And furthermore, Larry does not have to "do what Larry
does", he does what he does because he is a perverted, greedy, pathetic excuse for a
human being.
"Lesson No. 3. If a prosecutor tortures witnesses, illegally obtains evidence, violates
our civil rights, and tries to topple the twice-elected president of the opposition party,
the prosecutor will become a greater danger to the country than the president's personal
dalliances and coverups."
And if you have any proof whatsoever of any of the above wild accusations I say again,
take it to Janet Reno (and get laughed out of her office). Please quit lying about Ken Starr.
Unless you have any proof or at least an example that will stand the light of truth
I suggest you quit making yourself sound like a ranting hate monger. If you don't like
the laws that allow prosecutors to do their job then sponsor legislation to change
those laws. In the mean time quit complaining about a prosecutor that never broke
a single law in the pursuit of a perjurer and obstructer of justice who attempted
to deny an American Citizen her right to a fair trial in a court of law.
"Lesson No. 4. No matter what the Republicans prove against Clinton, the American people
will stand firm against Starr to prevent Starr copycats from erupting. The people are
sending a message to all prosecutors: Never Again."
And people like me and Ken Starr are sending a message to Criminals all across this
great nation : No matter how rich powerful you might think you are, you are
not above the law and you never will be.
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Ode to a Young Woman's Sexual Privacy
Fire Kenneth Starr!
There is never a good enough reason
to violate a young woman's privacy
Nor ever a season
the genitalia of your trophy to parade
around the world arena in salacious detail
Fire Kenneth Starr!
Somebody please fire him now!
There never is a reason
Never a season
A woman's sexual privacy to expose
Monica's most intimate sexual nature
Illegally trapped, intimidated and tortured
To the world you exposed her entirely
Her breasts, her vagina her sex toys and all
Goodby Mr Starr
If you ever get that urge again
Disguised in government business
Sexual predator we know your name
If another young woman you violate
Into prison you'll go
We'll see to that!
Goodbye Mr. Starr
Larry Flynt wants your porno
An honorable man not he
Those Starr Reports so kinky
Arousing your cruel sexuality
Oh you'll go down in history
Burning in hell with that scum McCarthy
Future descendants will spit in your face
As you squirm in self-righteous disgrace
No prosecutor in America
Would violate young Monica
In your disgusting way
No prosecutor would sink so low
Prosecutors there would never go
Young women of America
Are not yours to destroy
They're our sisters, our children
Our wives and our future mothers
Fire Starr Now!
Name: Haiku from Hell
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Message:
Ode to the Scumbags
Monica's a Slut.
Mister President's Kaput.
I say fuck em' both.
Name: Cynthia Tucker
email: cythia@ajc.com
Message: Trent Lott, Bob Barr, and the Council of Conservative Citizens Strange as it may seem, there are still dark corners of America where the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. is considered a Communist, an insurrectionist, a traitor. One such peculiar quarter comprises the Web sites of the Council of Conservative Citizens -- a white separatist group -- and its ideological brethren.
Despite all the progress we've made toward racial equality, it isn't surprising to find the odd white-separatist or supremacist group here and there, spouting an ideology of saving the white race from "dark forces." Fringe lunacy can never be eliminated. What's surprising -- and disturbing -- is that the Council of Conservative Citizens can claim the ear of such political luminaries as Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott.
Both Lott and U.S. Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), each of whom has been a keynote speaker at council functions, have steadfastly denied supporting the council's ideology. In fact, they both deny knowing what the council stood for when they spoke at its meetings.
But that's hard to believe, especially in Lott's case. The council has deep roots in Lott's home state of Mississippi, where it traces its ancestry to the old segregationist White Citizens Council, which some historians consider to have been an upscale version of the Ku Klux Klan. Arnie Watson, Lott's uncle and a member of the council, says his nephew is "an honorary member" of the organization. MORE . . .
Name: Cynthia Tucker
email: cynthia@aja.com
Message: Kenn Starr is a greater danger to the Republic than Clinton
So when will the long arm of the law bring Starr to heel? Will he continue to persecute anyone he chooses in pursuit of his goal of bringing down the president? Isn't Starr just the sort of government-funded tyrant from whom the Bill of Rights protects us? Why is he allowed to torment witnesses endlessly?
Starr is using the same tactics with Steele, pressuring her, invading her private life, trying to intimidate her by asking questions about whether her adoption of a Romanian orphan in 1990 was legal. Starr's investigators have pored over her bank and credit-card accounts and forced her family members to testify. MORE . . .
Name: Editors to Robert
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Message: Robert, this forum, as well as a medium for debate, also has a READERSHIP. It is also a publication, which is stored in our archives for years. Readers get turned off by juvenile stuff like "dumbass" "loving pig" "typical Marxist" all this is just too sophomoric for this forum. If you want to stay on this board you must upgrade your language, thoughts and presentation, like other conservatives on this forum. Notice how the messages left by Zippy, Conservative Libertarian, and others are not only left on this forum, but are honored.
Write something intelligent, thoughtful, truthful and without the "dumbass" and overblown hype stuff, and you will be left on this board. Readers are also bored with attacks on the editors of this forum. They don't care about us they care about the issues. The editors are nobody, so stop putting all your time and effort into attacking the editors.
Name: kuchta
email: kuchta@gamma.is.tcu.edu
Message: The claim by the left is that "even if true, these offenses do not rise to the level of impeachment." Using that as the guidepost, what is the most minor, basic misdemeanor that can get a president convicted in an impeachment trial? If the President was caught with a joint, would that do it? What if it was a kilo? What if the President stole a $5 book? A $10 book? A $50 book? The reason for the question is to find the baseline the left uses to define what is worthy of an impeachment conviction. Would drunk driving do it for you?
Name: kuchta
email: kuchta@gamma.is.tcu.edu
Message: The claim by the left is that "even if true, these offenses do not rise to the level of impeachment." Using that as the guidepost, what is the most minor, basic misdemeanor that can get a president convicted in an impeachment trial? If the President was caught with a joint, would that do it? What if it was a kilo? What if the President stole a $5 book? A $10 book? A $50 book? The reason for the question is to find the baseline the left uses to define what is worthy of an impeachment conviction. Would drunk driving do it for you?
Name: to kundhata
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Message: You miss the point if it were the old Republicans they might have a leg to stand but when you have a bunch of screwball religious fanatics trying to take over completely our Government, then its a different matter. That s what the avg Americans see. So now the Republican right is lying thru their teeth and promising this and that. They took a gamble and lost. But they are stupid. PT Barnum was quoted as saying, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time."
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Name: voters
email: Stoptheimpeachment.com
Message: Check out Anti-Impeachment Site/Defeat Local Rep Who Voted For It
Hello--
A new site has gone up on the web, Democracy In Peril. Its focus is to stop the conviction of President Clinton and the defeat of the local Rep. (Campbell) who voted for it in the House.
Please visit the site, tell your friends, link us, forward the url, and sign the petition. We need all the help we can get.
Also, send Tom Campbell on the Campbell Responds link that he's a real weenie for ignoring us. We're really tired of that Washingtonian kind of arrogance.
Please take care. Have a wonderful day. Save our President
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Democracy in Peril
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Name: Voters
email: Stoptheimpeachment.com
Message: Check out Anti-Impeachment Site/Defeat Local Rep Who Voted For It
Hello--
A new site has gone up on the web, Democracy In Peril. Its focus is to stop the conviction of President Clinton and the defeat of the California Rep. (Campbell) who voted for it in the House.
Please visit the site, tell your friends, link us, forward the url, and sign the petition. We need all the help we can get.
Also, send Tom Campbell on the "Campbell Responds" link that he's a real weenie for ignoring us. We're really tired of that Washingtonian kind of arrogance.
Please take care. Have a wonderful day.
Authors
Democracy in Peril
Democracy in Peril
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to the poster of the "to kundhata" post
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Message:
"...but when you have a bunch of screwball religious fanatics trying to take
over completely our Government..."
Firstly, If you are going to make ridiculous statements like this please show
some actual evidence (rather than simply regurgitating the White House Spin
Machine propaganda). What we actually have are a bunch of Conservatives who are
"fanatical" in their devotion to the Rule of Law. The President is a Criminal
and is on trial as we speak. We have video tape of him lying under oath in
court, dozens of times! Get over it.
Secondly, you got the quote and the author wrong. This is the correct one:
"You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some
of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time."
Please take the time to make sure what you are posting can be backed up
with facts, it makes this whole discussion more interesting.
"They took a gamble and lost. But they are stupid."
'Nuff said...
- Abraham Lincoln
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Name: Last Visible Dog
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Message:
PT Barnum was quoted as saying, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time."
Actually I believe PT Barnum did have a quote that is very applicable to Democrats, Liberals, and Followers Of The Cult Of Clinton and it goes like this "There's a sucker born every day".
Name: Zippy the Wonder DRUDGE
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Message:
So now we got a perjurer defending a perjurer?!?! This is starting to
get surreal...
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUESDAY, JAN 19, 1999 19:14 UTC XXXXX
HILL CONTROVERSY: CLINTON DEFENDER CHERYL MILLS FIGHTING OWN OBSTRUCTION CHARGE!
"This is outrageous, arrogant and will do nothing to help the president's case!"
The reaction of a senior Republican senator after he learned on Tuesday that
Deputy White House Counsel Cheryl Mills would be presenting the Clinton
defense on Lewinsky obstruction charges in the Senate impeachment trial.
Late last year Mills herself was hit with charges of wrongdoing by a House
subcommittee investigating the White House Database situation.
When called before the committee to explain the withholding of documents
in the congressional probe, Cheryl Mills chose to give "demonstrably false
testimony," a committee report claimed.
"The committee believes that there is substantial evidence that in September
1996 then-Associate (now-Deputy) Counsel to the President Cheryl Mills, with
the knowledge and concurrence of then-White House Counsel Jack Quinn,
knowingly and wilfully obstructed the investigative authority of this
committee by withholding documents that were plainly responsive to the
committee requests for documents and information. Moreover, when this
obstruction was brought to light in a hearing before the committee, Ms.
Mills lied under oath about the documents and the circumstances surrounding
their nonproduction."
The Mills matter was referred to the Department of Justice for investigation
of possible perjury and obstruction, according to Hill sources.
Mills strongly denies any wrongdoing in the Database situation.
But one congressman directly involved in the investigation tells the
DRUDGE REPORT: "We found substantial evidence that she perjured herself,
repeatedly, in testimony before our committee. And now she has been chosen
to defend the president on obstruction? Next we'll get word the Potomac
River is flowing north!"
Mills is expected to make her presentation on Wednesday.
The Mills charges are playing at
http://www.house.gov/reform/neg/reports/whodb/whodb.htm
X X X X X
Name: Last Visible Dog to Cynthia "I've seen bigfoot/ Elvis Lives!" Tucker
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Lunatic Liberals - get it through your head - Ken Star has broken NO LAWS - Bill Clinton has! Bill Clinton lied under oath in a civil trial in a successful attempt to deny a citizen justice (he was later forced to pay this citizen $875,000). Bill Clinton lied under oath before a grand jury even after members of his own party warned him not to. Bill Clinton obstructed justice - something that Clinton said in 1974 was grounds for removal (guess that only applied to Republicans in his warped mind). Ken Starr created a written report of the actions of Bill Clinton that were the basis of his perjuries - if you consider it pornography then Bill Clinton is a porn star because he was the star - the one that actually did the activities (in the office during business hours with a subordinate employee with the door propped open to listen for other people - nothing private about it!). Democrat Larry Flynt is funding a multimillion dollar black-mail campaign paying people big bucks to tell or make up sex stories about Republicans - None of Flynt's accusation have proof and all were bought and paid for. Ken Starr was a duly appointed officer of the court system that is overseen by a 3 judge panel - comparing Starr and Flynt is an extremely ignorant proposition. (BTW - Flynt is currently under indictment for distributing pornography to children and he is facing many years in jail) Ken Starr could be fired in a second by Janet Reno (a democrat) but she has not because he has done nothing wrong. Cindy, join us in the world of reality and save the wacko conspiracy theories for fiction novels.
-LVDName: Minglewood
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Message: Why can't you people get it right?
It was "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but only pencils have lead."
Laurel & Hardy
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Name: Last Visible Dog to Editors (Drudge wannabes)
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EDITORS: Notice to all. If anyone knows how to contact Monica Lewinsky please have her lawyers contact us. We have a bombshell she can land if they force her to testify! A BIG BOMBSHELL!
Is it just me - or does it sound like the Editor is a Drudge wannabe. Let me guess, your big bombshell (that you have repeatedly post here) is that Starr tortured and rapped Monica - only one problem, it didn't happen. I doubt lunatic paranoid delusions will be of much help to Monica.
Keep up this baseless slander and paranoid delusions liberals and you will all but guarantee that the Republicans continue to control the House and the Senate and also the Presidency in 2000. Democrats - enjoy this, your fleeting moment in the sun - in a few months this will all be over and you will have to stand on the issues (Democrats seem to only fare well when they are running against a bogeyman (Newt, Starr, etc) - with the bogeymen gone the Democrats will be forced to run on their views and that is usually a losing strategy for liberals) Keep it up paranoia liberals!
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to LVD
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Message:
I hate to correct you but just for the record it should be :
"(in the office during business hours with a subordinate employee with the
door propped open to listen for other people and a Congressman on the phone
- nothing private about it!). "
Name: Voters
email: Stoptheimpeachment.com
Message: Check out Anti-Impeachment Site/Defeat Local Rep Who Voted For It
Hello--
A new site has gone up on the web, Democracy In Peril. Its focus is to stop the conviction of President Clinton and the defeat of the California Rep. (Campbell) who voted for it in the House.
Please visit the site, tell your friends, link us, forward the url, and sign the petition. We need all the help we can get.
Also, send Tom Campbell on the "Campbell Responds" link that he's a real weenie for ignoring us. We're really tired of that Washingtonian kind of arrogance.
Please take care. Have a wonderful day.
Authors
Democracy in Peril
Democracy in Peril
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Name: LVD to ZTWS
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I hate to correct you but just for the record it should be : "(in the office during business hours with a subordinate employee with the door propped open to listen for other people and a Congressman on the phone - nothing private about it!). "
I stand corrected. (actually I am sitting).
-LVDName: Single Poster
email: StopTheMultiplePostsNow.Com
Message: Democracy in Peril, we all understand you are a lunatic-left web site that spews delusional ramblings that are not rooted in the Constitution, the legal system, or reality. You need only post your message once - we hear you loud and clear (as clear as paranoid ramblings can be). I am starting a petition - Stop the lunatic rambling multi-posts!
Name: Editor to LVD
email: Bombshell
Message: LVD, once again you are so foolish trying to second-guess what the bombshell is. I wish I could tell you but it is a SURPRISE..... Nothing we have ever seen or done on this forum. Stop writing nonsense.
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Stop writing nonsense.
-LVDName: Vernon
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Message: Vern's quote of the day: "Democracy can withstand almost anything but democrats."
Name: Last Visible Dog
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Freudian Slip?
"I want to tell the Chinese something, security can no longer be bought at the expense of liberty." Pres. Bill Clinton - State of the Union Speech 1999
Name: Robert
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Message: Dear Editors...aka censors:
I never said "loving pig" nor "dumbass"....I did say Marxist in reference to the Klintons.
Until our Impeached Lame Duck "president" and his "It Takes A Village" wife disclose what he did in Moscow during The Vietnam War, after organizing protests against his country on foreign soil, I will continue to label them "MARXISTS". JUST AS YOU LABEL US "MEAN SPIRITED CONSERVATIVES"....or..... Hillary calls us..."VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRITORS"
. Typical Liberal psycho-babble......!
Go ahead...censor......YOU CAN'T HANDLE TRUTH.
Just adding my name......(Sorry...not named after someone like Hillary...you know....smile...SIR EDMOND HILLARY
WHY must these two people always "fabricate" and lie?
OK DELETE censorship editor.
You haven't a way to truly proofread....just making corrections.
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Name: 25 Million Victims of Hitler
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Message: Its called character assination thats how the Nazis first started. They took advantage of human beings and their weaknesses to avoid temptation This leader is no good because he did this or lied. They preached a better world and indocrinated their children in school Very slowly they criticized this group then another bringing hate and polarity among its citizens. Lies told many times over and over substituted diginified behavoir of its political groups. One by one they consolidated their power by capitilizing on the frailness of democracy. Return to old days when children respected their parents, was one of their pleas. Who was behind the and supported the Nazis rich companies hoping to profit with their help. Munition makers, Large companies who paid low wages to its workers. Soon the Nazis lies were believed and they got elected to power. Then it was too late as the docile Germans succumbed to the lies told repeatly over and over again. It worked and soon the Nazis were in charge and were the bosses of Germany. Could this happen here? Why are the WWII Movies shown over and over again--maybe to warn us it could happen to us. People who dont vote or pay attention about what their own government is doing or knowing whats right and whats wrong by reading their own Constitution. Im neither a Republican or a Democrat, since I voted for members of both patties. but now I am alarmed at all the people who are hating each other. United we stand or Democracy will fall.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Robert"
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"You haven't a way to truly proofread....just making corrections."
Well, actually, there is: I am assuming you have Windows 95/98/NT or, God
Forbid, a Mac. Make a file with notepad (or whatever text editor you like)
called Test.html and save it (I saved
mine on the desktop for convenience). Use this file to type your message and
save it. Then drop the test.html icon on your browser to see what it looks like.
When it works, copy the text (highlight and CTRL-C), go to this page in the browser
and paste it into the message area (CTRL-V). Also you can change the text in
test.html, save and then hit the refresh button in the browser to instantly
see what the changes did. This is how I do all my HTML code.
Name: Last Visible Dog
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In the Clinton speech:
Clinton honored the military but when he was called by the military he chickened out.
Clinton honored his wife but whenever temptation is presented he betrays his vows by cheating on her and making a fool out of her.
Words are cheap - character matters.
-LVDName: Last Visible Dog
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In the Clinton speech:
Clinton honored the military but when he was called by the military he chickened out.
Clinton honored his wife but whenever temptation is presented he betrays his vows by cheating on her and making a fool out of her.
Words are cheap - character matters.
-LVDName: Last Visible Dog
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Message: opps - sorry about the multipost
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to Keepers of the "Bombshell"
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I'll see your Bombshell and raise you two Jane Doe's!
I sure hope your "Bombshell" is better than Larry Flynt's "Bob Barr Bore".
I actually sat through Geraldo to see it! Talk about pain!
What a waste...
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email: tonight January 19, 1999
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Name: Editors to Zippy the Wonder Slug
email: We believe in class
Message: Oh Zippy, we have much more class, creativity and foresight than simply to copy Larry Flynt. Nobody's private parts get exposed or even mentioned. No more adulterers or perjurers will be outed. We said we had a bombshell, not more of the same. We strike from a totally different perspective than Larry Flynt. We told you it was a surprise and we mean it. Something that hasn't even crossed your mind.
Name: Editors to LVD
email: Drudge Wannabees
Message: The last thing in the world we would want is to have millions of people coming into this site to read the latest juicy scandal. Thank you but no thank you. While this forum has been described as a "controversial forum" by MSNBC TV recently, and "often profane" by the London Times, we do not aspire to lead through scandal. The pursuit of truth is much more interesting to us.
We prefer to provide a forum for intellectual discussion and creative ideas, cartoons, songs, etc. There are enough media in the world that make their fortune by selling scandal we don't need to add one more, notwithstanding the fact that if one million people came in here every day we would need a lot of editors to maintain it and would also need the resources to upgrade our technology.
Name: 25 Million Victims of Hitler
email: to Zippy
Message: No you got it all backwards it the new Republicans who want to enslave us with repeated lies. They own the US Congress next the Presidency and then all of us will beholden to the Republicans and the ones behind them. The true power seekers Pat Robertson and Rev Jerry Fallwell and Tom Delay For them, the end justifiy the means. dont be so niave.
Name: Last Visible Dog to Editor
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Strange - I was surprised - the overwhelming majority of callers to CSPAN DID NOT buy Clinton’s BS and asked "where's the beef" (so to speak) or “who’s gonna pay for all this”. Maybe there is hope. As for "no shows" - Editors, I saw no empty seats - how do you justify this parroting of a White House spin line? As for applause - have you even watched a State of the Union speech before? Actually Clinton got more applause than the Democrats gave Reagan (Democrats often booed and hooted). As for the third party - you are correct: The Republicans are the majority party and we need a new opposition party to replace the Democrats. Editors - join us in reality and stop the White House propaganda parroting. The Clinton State of the Union show was all fluff and no substance (i.e. typical Clinton speech).
-LVDName: Last Visible Dog
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The true power seekers Pat Robertson and Rev Jerry Fallwell and Tom Delay For them, the end justifiy the means. dont be so niave.
Can you say “lunatic-left, incoherent, irrational, paranoid delusions”?
I knew that you could
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email: 25 Million Victims of Hitler
Message: It happens all the time when the citizens don't realize it and take their new politicians as saviours. Look at history for the answer.
Name: 25 Million Victims of Hitler
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Message: They indocrinate their youngsters and are super patriots like the Nazis were. They have their mainfesto and hate the gays and weak like the Nazis did. Once you start down a path it is too late. It happens so slowly. But it could happen here.
Name: Editor to LVD
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"Clinton honored the military but when he was called by the military he chickened out"There is a time for war and a time for peace
Name: 25 Million Victims of Hitler
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Message: Look at their faces never smiling filled with hate and poison, especially Henry Hyde. Old men who want to pass down their legacy of lunacy and hate.
Name: Vernon
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Message: Here's your legacy: clintong's cabinet said if that if he lied to them they would all resign. Why haven't they resigned? Editors: Who was president when vietnam started and during the course of it? Didn't democratic presidents start and continue the war in vietnam and wasn't it a republican president who ended it? And now you are saying it was democrats who ran and hid while good kids fought and died. You people should hang your heads in shame and crawl back into your holes.
Name: Robert
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Message: WOW....Censored within 45 seconds...you guys are really on top of things. This "Forum" is a joke......like Hill n' Billy!
You censor more than you keep....sort of like the polls!
Name: Last Visible Dog
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Message: Okay you got me Editors. Iam a non intellectual so what. Im still smart Whats your opinon of intellectual? I read good comic books the non violent type. I read the lyrics of Bob Dylan as poetry. IM hip to all the new gadgets for the home or office. Im aware of who I am and where I came from.
Name: Robert
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Message: Hitler censored and burned books because he was afraid of the truth.....See any parallel on this...lol..."FORUM" as you call it?
Name: Robert
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Message: Censorship is alive and well here....smile
When you can't win with dialog....just "DELETE".....SMILE
Name: Robert
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Message: Wow I am a hyptnotized by the Republicans baloney. Maybe I should see Elmer Gantry huh LVD.
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Message: The conservatives like to ban books like Catcher in the Rye and Huckleberry Finn, a story of a white boy helping a slave get away from the South. Are you a member of the KKK, Robert.
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Message: Dishonesty is the hallmark of Socialism, Communism, Liberalism, Facism, Democrat-ism!
Seems to be a common thread!
Your "Forum" is a showcase and continuation of this "thread".
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Message: Going to turn in now........DELETE to your hearts content.......By the way, I can't be a member of the KKK....I'm a Roman Catholic.
I am also not a Bigot....Where did I say anything to cause you to call me that?
Typical Liberal attack tactics.....You really amaze me "EDITOR"
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Message: Youve got it all backwards the Republicans started throwing the mud first. They couldn't keep their contract or ran of ideas so in 1992 they said "WE got this far by mudsling lets go after old Southern Liberal President Clinton We'll even call him Slick Willie like Willie Sutton the bank robber, a good monicker if there ever was; and we'll go on TV and use Good ole Rush Limbaugh to propagandize under the guise of free speech innuendoes and half truths about President Clinton. The Americans hate authority so they'll eat it up. but after constant digging they went overboard, Zealots always make that mistake. I guess they begin to believe there own lies, I guess. Anyways they say lets use TV to smear Pres Clinton real good and impeach his ass. But ole Larry Flint came to the rescue and exposed all these bible carrying hypocrites for what they really was. And it got on TV. We'll any good fool would have backed down, but not these mean varmits with their hate filled hearts and now they are a reaping their harvest of hate and are finally being exposed for what they really are tax dodgers, not paying their fair share of taxes as a group. Now what are we gonna do. We'll call in Steve Forbes and say all sorts of things confuse the dummies. We will get Dan Quale and all the pretty Republicans. And I say are they dreaming, you mean ugly~ Any way if we back down now we will look like complete idiots and morans that we are. He isnt Slick willie he is more like Road Runner, he beat us again. But, there is always hope we will get him. duh.
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Message: I thought you didn't like hate speech? What the hell was that message labeled to Robert? That was pure hate speech against Republicans. The old double standard again?
Name: Will somebody please carry out the corpse?
email: Death of the GOP
Message: The GOP died tonight.
Long live the Religious Right
The State of the Union is very robust
The Republican Party, however, is bust!
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Message: What are your talking about? Where did we say you were a member of the "KKK"? Where did we say you were a "bigot"?
Name: ginny
email: ginc@aol.com
Message: An addendum to the pledge of allegiance for the 21st Century:
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I pledge allegiance to the health
Of the united world of the Universe
And to the Earth on which we stand.
One world, born of love,
With rights and responsibilities
For all
Who else should I submit this to?
Name: Wippy the Wonder Slug
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Clinton wants to turn the United States of America into the
United Socialist States of America. An excerpt from
Nealz Nuze.
Now Clinton is going to use the sacred cow of Social Security to implement
this goal.
For starters, he wants to invest one-fourth of the Social Security trust fund
in the stock market. Republicans had argued that the individuals who
earned this money should be allowed to make the investment decisions. But
noooooooooo. Clinton would hardly agree to allow private
individuals to make decisions that can be made by government. Especially
when government power would be increased.
Stock ownership means that you own a portion of that company. When we talk
about 25 percent of the Social Security Trust Fund, we're talking
about serious money. Trillions of dollars over the next few decades.
This will make the Social Security Administration -- the Social Security Trust
Fund --- the largest single investor in American business. That
means that the Imperial Federal Government of the United States will be the
largest single investor in American private enterprise.
That, my friends, is the definition of socialism -- Government ownership of the
means of production.
How much clearer can it be made? Clinton wants the Government to have the power.
He wants the people in (economic) chains. "Everything will be OK as long as you
do as we say." And you fools are buying it! God help us all.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
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I can't believe I screwed up my own moniker! Editors, fix it for me if you
would be so kind...
Name: For Wippy the Wonder Wimp
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Message: Dear Wippy, yes, we'll fix it at the next edit! (if we remember).
Name: Minglewood
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Message: Jennifer Dunn for President!
Name: Minglewood
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Message: And Steve Largent as her running mate!
Name: El Gato
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Name: Last Visible Dog
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Message: It seems some mindless, imaginationless person is impersonating me by posting under my name – maybe they could also impersonate me by paying my car payment?
Name: Last Visible Dog to Editor
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Message: Hastert's speech was way too far to the right. We need a third party.
Editor – you are losing it. What is this supposed to mean? Hastert didn’t give a speech!
Name: Robert
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Message: I'm sorry if I mistakenly stated you questioned whether I was a member of the
KKK. The question was asked by a "no name" poster above. I realize you always
enter as the Editor. It is very unfortunate that personal attacks seem
to be a tactic of many on the "Liberal" left. When I talk about dishonesty and shameful activity it is directed at
the politicians, policy and the Dem. Party....not posting individuals.
Name: Last Visible Dog to Editor
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Message: Can you say “lunatic-left, incoherent, irrational, paranoid delusions”? EDITOR: Come on LVD, name calling is boring and lacks intelligence. Jeepers, Editor I thought you were smarter than that – I was NOT “name calling” I was merely describing a wacko statement you made (I was in no way calling you “names”). Editor, you are putting the militia movement to shame with all of your wacko silly paranoid conspiracy theories. Did you have any evidence to support your statements – didn’t think so.
Name: Last Visible Dog to 25 Million Victims of Hitler
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Message: It happens all the time when the citizens don't realize it and take their new politicians as saviours. Look at history for the answer. I couldn’t agree more – when we place our leaders above the law and set them up as saviors of country, we are in deep doo doo. When a leader commits a crime and we let him get away with it because we think he is the savior of the economy and the ends justifies the means – we are setting up a dictator. When we put many other citizens in jail for the crime that we are letting our leader get away with – our judicial system becomes a farce and merely a tool to be manipulate by the despot leader. I totally agree that we MUST not prop Clinton up as a savior and we must hold him to the laws that ALL of us live under.
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Name: Last Visible Dog to Editor
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There is a time for war and a time for peace
Editor, that is one of the most discussing and historically baseless statements you have ever made - you should be ashamed! The "rest of us" did not chicken out like Clinton - over sixty thousand Americans DIED in that war! History has proven that the anti-war protest of the sixties has the blood of thousands of Americans on its hands. The protesters made the liberal Democrats in congress do stupid things like limit the amount of men they would send to fight the war and limit when and where they could fight. These actions tied the hands of our military and therefore were the cause of many needless war casualties. The protesters of the sixties have nothing to be proud of - spitting on GIs returning from a war and calling them "baby killers" - that is disgusting. The anti-war movement had everything to do with killing Americans and little to do with ending the war. The basic peace we have today has no relationship with Clinton making someone else fight and maybe die in his place. We have peace because we held strong against the Russians and the actions of Reagan are what gave us the good times we have today. Try reading a history book once in a while. You really should be ashamed of yourself - you have disrespected over sixty thousand people that gave up their lives in the war.
Name: Last Visible Dog to the Hilter-Lover
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Message: Look at their faces never smiling filled with hate and poison, especially Henry Hyde. What baseless, braindead slander - Henry Hyde smiles nearly all the time. You fool. The lunatic-left seems to be taking over for the militia movement and now it is the far-left that is spewing paranoid, idiotic, rambling, baseless, conspiracy theories.
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Name: LVD To the Unknown Poster
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Message: "The conservatives like to ban books like Catcher in the Rye and Huckleberry Finn, a story of a white boy helping a slave get away from the South." First - show a conservative that is trying to ban these books! I believe it is liberals that want to control what the populous does and the conservatives fight for more personal freedom. Second, the liberals are the ones that tried to ban Huckleberry Finn because they say it is racist (I saw a liberal black women fighting to ban the book as resent as a year or so ago). There have been movements to ban Catcher in the Rye - but only from High Schools because it deals heavy sexual themes (I believe the effort was non-patrician). You asked if Robert was a member of the KKK, well I ask are you a member of the neo-Nazis (because you seem to like spreading mistruth and half-truths)?
Name: Robert
email: Impeach@convict_evict.now
Message: LVD...Well said! It appears that the law is something to be rationalized for political expediency.
Just as Rowe v Wade enabled the "discovery" of the right to privacy in the
Constitution. Liberalism legislates through judicial "fiat".
When the impeached lame duck "president" walks on perjury and obstruction of
justice charges, not to mention obvious abuse of power, the strength of America
will begin to hemorrhage rapidly. The left actually is proclaiming.."Damn sexual harassment laws", one of their
sacred cows because morality is a bible carrying religious right "thing". This is
really quite humorous. I'm trying to see the rational; Bill Clinton lost the Dem. majority in congress in 1994, and
Al Gore is really just as liberal as Clinton, if not more so. Removal of the perverted prevaricator would
guarantee an incumbent Gore in 2000 as well as preserve their sexual harassment "gains". The Liberal left
reacts only to power and control, what is best for the country, and even for them,
does not even compute! This is really very funny in a sick sort of way.
Name: Last Visible Dog to the Unknown poster
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Message: "Republicans started throwing the mud first" I guess you were not around during the Reagan years - does the 7 year Iran/Contra witch hunt that yielded 0 convictions and 0 articles of impeachment but cost more than Starr spent ring any bells? (it did yield an indictment of a Bush administration official two weeks before the election - the indictment was thrown out as baseless AFTER the election) "They couldn't keep their contract " They pasted 85% of the Contract With America - what are you talking about. The Balanced Budget was an item on the Contract with American (remember, Clinton said in 1993 that balancing the budget before the year 2000 would ruin our economy - once again he was wrong). Welfare reform was also on the Contract with American and Clinton vetoed it two times before he was forced to sign it because of the polls (he said it was not a good bill and he was going to fix it - he has yet to "fix it" and now he takes credit for it). Get a clue - then post.
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Message: LVD.....You are right on! One correction though, I believe Lawerence Walsh indicted
Caspar Weinberger on Friday, just before the Tuesday elections. This also brings to mind the
Billy Dale destruction by leftist "Saints" Bill and Hilly to cover their A$$es. In their rush to
slide their friends into a money making WH travel office, they miscalculated the Press who used
that office and like Billy Dale and his staff. OOPS! Better call in the FBI on trumped up charges,
can't lose the press support! Billy Dale, after spending $50k to defend himself, was exonerated after 30 minutes of
jury deliberation. These bottom feeders in the White House are the "darlings"
of the left....boggles the mind, doesn't it? OK EDITOR....DELETE.
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Name: Last Visible Dog
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Message: Bill Clinton wants the GOVERNMENT to invest in the stock market. This is textbook socialism and dangerously close to fascism. Mussolini's fascism had the government investing in private companies as the centerpiece. This is a horrible, dangerous scheme. Who do you trust to manage your money for retirement - yourself or the government (remember the Democrat controlled congress used to buy hammers or toilet seats for $1,000.00). Allowing the individual to control the investment of social security money is a good idea - having the US Government on the board of private companies (because they own stock) is a HORRIBLE idea and a giant step toward leftist socialism and possibly fascism. Wake up American - PLEASE!
Name: ROBERT
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Message: Balanced Budget........Welfare Reform...........The Contract with America.........
Why does anyone think the economy is good? None of this would have happened with a Democrat Congress, They had 40 years.
Thank you Newt and the 104th Congress! Liberals...thank Bill Clinton for signing these initiatives, He had to to overcome the
devastating 1994 elections. Todays moderate economy is the result of the "CONTRACT"! Throw in Ronald Reagan's Victory in the Cold war and the
demise of the Soviet Union! SMILE REPUBLICANS ACCOMPLISH THINGS IN SPITE OF THE MEDIA BIAS AND BASHING BY THE LEFT.
mix 40 years of Democrat legislation with 4 years of REPUBLICAN legislation and compare.....'nough said....SMILE!
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Message: Dear First Lady Hillary:
During the week of Christmas, I sent a framed 18x24 poetry print entitled "Somewhere In Time" to you and President Clinton. I did not send the package by certified mail thereby insuring that I would have received a confirmation of the package at least being received bya your representatives. I do hope you received it, and I pray that it was not damaged when it reached Washington D.C. Did you receive the framed poetry print entitled "Somewhere In Time " by Brenda Arnold-Scott? Please let me know. Thank you and always remember how much you are loved.
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Message: Dear First Lady Hillary:
During the week of Christmas, I sent a framed 18x24 poetry print entitled "Somewhere In Time" to you and President Clinton. I did not send the package by certified mail thereby insuring that I would have received a confirmation of the package at least being received bya your representatives. I do hope you received it, and I pray that it was not damaged when it reached Washington D.C. Did you receive the framed poetry print entitled "Somewhere In Time " by Brenda Arnold-Scott? Please let me know. Thank you and always remember how much you are loved.
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Message: Clinton's Plate For The Union
The Orange County Register
...But while some of the president's ideas have elements
of merit, one of them is so disturbing it rivals the
nationalized health-care scheme the Clintons' once
tried to foist on the public. As part of his proposal to
save Social Security from looming fiscal crisis, Mr.
Clinton would allow federal officials to invest ``small''
amounts of money into private security markets.
``Not to use fascism as a pejorative but merely as an
apt historical description, the Clinton proposal is
fascism,'' Rep. Chris Cox, R-Newport Beach, told us.
``The Mussolini economic policy consisted in publicly
directed investment in the private sector. ... The
amount of money in the beginning is not the issue.
Like all government programs it will expand.''
What rightly concerns Rep. Cox, and many other
Republican leaders, is that giving a federal board
immense powers to invest in the stock market will
allow the government to pick winners and losers in the
economy, with all the ensuing opportunities for
political manipulation and corruption. The feds could
make companies that were in favor with regulators, or
break those that aren't in favor...
Name: brenda arnold-scott
email: bscitt@hcd.ci.houston.tx.us
Message: Dear First Lady Hillary:
During the week of Christmas, I sent a framed 18x24 poetry print entitled "Somewhere In Time" to you and President Clinton. I did not send the package by certified mail thereby insuring that I would have received a confirmation of the package at least being received bya your representatives. I do hope you received it, and I pray that it was not damaged when it reached Washington D.C. Did you receive the framed poetry print entitled "Somewhere In Time " by Brenda Arnold-Scott? Please let me know. Thank you and always remember how much you are loved.
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Name: Last Visible Dog
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Message: Since this forum champions the liberal cause and sings the praise of the liberal Democrats - well, I decide I should join the bandwagon. The following are quotes from a great liberal man and the quintessential liberal Democrat - Marion Barry, the four term Mayor of Washington D.C. Marion Barry reflects all that is the Democrat party and I believe we can all benefit from parting of Marion Barry as he waxes eloquent:
"The contagious people of Washington have stood firm
against diversity during this long period of increment
weather." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
"I promise you a police car on every sidewalk." - M.
Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
"If you take out the killings, Washington actually has
a very very low crime rate." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
"First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club.
And second, what can I say? I'm a night owl." - M. Barry,
Mayor of Washington, DC
"Bitch set me up." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
"I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third
term. Where's Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by George
Bush and Michael Dukakis no less." - M. Barry, Mayor
of Washington, DC
"The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws
are racist. The law of gravity is racist." - M. Barry,
Mayor of Washington, DC
"I am making this trip to Africa because Washington
is an international city, just like Tokyo, Nigeria or
Israel. As mayor, I am an international symbol. Can
you deny that to Africa?" - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
"People have criticized me because my security detail
is larger than the president's. But you must ask yourself:
are there more people who want to kill me than who want
to kill the president? I can assure you there are."
- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
"The brave men who died in Vietnam, more than 100% of
which were black, were the ultimate sacrifice." - M.
Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
"I read a funny story about how the Republicans freed
the slaves. The Republicans are the ones who created
slavery by law in the 1600's. Abraham Lincoln freed
the slaves and he was not a Republican." - M. Barry,
Mayor of Washington, DC
"What right does Congress have to go around making laws
just because they deem it necessary?" - M. Barry, Mayor
of Washington, DC
"People blame me because these water mains break, but
I ask you, if the water mains didn't break, would it
be my responsibility to fix them then? WOULD IT!?!"
- M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
"I am a great mayor; I am an upstanding Christian man;
I am an intelligent man; I am a deeply educated man;
I am a humble man." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
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Message: Greenspan Opposes Investing Social Security In Stocks
Reuters WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Federal Reserve Chairman Alan
Greenspan said on Wednesday he would not support investing
Social Security funds in the stock market, as proposed by
President Clinton in his State of the Union address. ``What I do not support and did not support previously was
the investment of government funds, especially Social Security
trust funds, in private securities, especially equities,''
Greenspan told the Ways and Means Committee of the U.S. House of
Representatives. Clinton proposed on Tuesday to invest up to $700 billion of
Social Security funds in the stock market and subsidize
retirement savings accounts -- the biggest change in the U.S.
retirement system's financing since its inception 64 years ago. Greenspan said government investment in private markets
would interfere with the efficient allocation of resources in
the economy. ``Because I do not believe that it is politically feasible
to insulate such huge funds from a governmental direction, I'm
fearful that we will use those assets in a way, which one, will
create a lower rate of return for Social Security recipients,
but even a greater concern, that it will create sub-optimal use
of our capital resources and those assets which create our
standard of living,'' he said. Greenspan also told lawmakers his first preference would be
to continue to run government budget surpluses and use them to
pay down the national debt, but he added: ``If we have to get
rid of the surpluses, I would far prefer reducing taxes than
spending it. Indeed, I don't think it's a close call.''
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Local Poll Results
Our paper, the Florida Times-Union, had its own local poll and here are the
results:
Our newspaper conducted a local poll.
Here are the results:
censure: 157
removal from office: 1,368
resign: 984
not guilty of an impeachable offense: 540
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Message: Marion Berry......Smile...........A perfect example of what has happened to America!
LVD......Thanks for the great illustration of The HEROS of Liberalism!
The dumbing down of America...........PERFECT EXAMPLE!
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c-span This morning a woman called into Cspan and asked this question: After 12 years of Bill and Hill governing in their
own state, what condition is the Arkansas schools rating
academically???? OUT OF THE 50 STATES ARKANSAS IS RANKED 49TH.
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Message: Dear Mrs. Clinton,
I hope this post finds you well. I am the president of a historical society in Western Pennsylvania that has been trying since 1972 to preserve the 1792-1793 military fortification of Legion Ville. This site is where the United States Army, reeling from the worst defeat of its history (1791) by the Native Americans, was rebuilt, trained and organized. This army commanded by Major General "Mad" Anthony Wayne which was known as the Legion of the United States fought at the decisive Battle of Fallen Timbers (another endangered archaeological site) in 1794, forced the Treaty of Greenville in 1795 and forced the British out of the United States in 1796.
In 1977, Senator John Heinz sponsored a bill (1104) to make the site a national park. Because of a clerical error on the National Register of Historic Places form, the bill was pocket-vetoed by then President Carter. This site is one of only a few sites of the Federal Era that has not been built upon or developed.
Seventeen US soldiers are buried at the site, some of them members of the 1st Sub-Legion, the ancestral unit of the Old Guard (3rd Infantry). Furthermore, the site was the reported location of the Native American village of Logstown, (1744-1758) one of the most important villages in the United States during the fur-trade era.
There are certainly many important sites in the country that should be preserved. I strongly believe that Legion Ville is unique in the historic and prehistoric activities that took place there and MUST be preserved. A 1994 archaeological dig uncovered an unprecedented wealth of archaeological remains. We must save this site, but need help.
Our resources are limited, but our cause a good one. Would you help?
Sincerely,
Patrick R. Riley
http://tristate.pgh.net/~bsilver/legion.htm
(724) 266-1795
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Message: Good going Mr. President! Your speech was terrific! You were clear, articulate and thorough. You also pointed out all the legislation that WAS NOT ATTENDED TO while the majority party was salivating over Monica's thong underware.
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"You also pointed out all the legislation that WAS NOT
ATTENDED TO while the majority party was salivating over
Monica's thong underware."
Well, if Bill Clinton can "salivate over Monica's thong underware" why not
the rest of us? And another thing, all that legislation you seem to be worrying
about would have long ago been considered if the President had not attempted
to rob Paula Jones of her constitutional right to a fair trial by lying under
oath, getting Monica to file a false affidavit and affirming that affidavit as
true under oath. Spin never holds up under close scrutiny.
"Espcially noteworthy is your idea to assist people who are caring for
ailing elderly relatives."
If people weren't paying
TWICE the federal tax rate of 10 years ago,
perhaps they could better "care for ailing elderly relatives". Ya' think?!
Clinton hopes you don't. I hope you will start to. Remember: "A mind is a terrible thing to waste".
And by the way, it's "underwear" and "Especially"
Name: Carolyn Wilfred
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Message: IT TAKES A “GLOBAL” VILLAGE
Dear Mrs. Clinton,
My name is Carolyn Wilfred and I live in Stratford, Ontario, Canada. As a Canadian woman, wife, and mother, I ask that you please read the following pages, including the attachment sent to the ACLU, containing the bizarre events which involve YOUR justice system, members of YOUR government, and three of YOUR citizens whom I love deeply, two being innocent children who have been placed at extreme risk for almost a year now. These children, Danielle who is seven, and Isaac who is five, are children born of my heart, the children of my new husband, Harmon Wilfred. I am horrified that such injustices could happen in the “civilised” world, let alone in the United States of America and Canada.
In the summer of 1997, I met my husband-to-be as an international business associate while he was in Canada on an extended business trip from the U.S. Every night that he was away, he phoned his children Danielle and Isaac to check on them, to tell them that he loved them, and to say goodnight. Those of us who were working with him could not help but share his pain and stress as we heard his children crying in the background, their mother striking them, and yelling at them and at Harmon, even denying him the right to speak with them by hanging up the phone in mid-conversation. Dearna, their mother, often complained that she could not handle the children and that Isaac would run around and bang his head against the walls in frustration.
As an experienced, former, professional childcare worker and mother of two daughters, I was greatly disturbed by these events. This scenario continued for some time before Harmon filed for divorce and gained custody of his children. With my professional background, it was a natural for Harmon to request and receive my assistance in helping the children adjust to their new environment and recover from their mother’s abuse. From the first moment Danielle and Isaac came under my care, it was so very obvious that they had been living in an abusive situation. Danielle would hide under furniture and cry uncontrollably, confessing that her mother was very mean to her and that she was afraid of her. We would hold Danielle and rock her until she calmed down. Isaac, still not toilet trained at the age of 4˝, would scream when his diaper was changed saying “please don’t rub my face in it”, and many times telling us that he never wanted to see his “mommy Dearna” ever again. Day after day, they would express more evidence of abuse and thorough fear and anger over the way they had been treated while living with their mother. After a period of about three months of consistent reassurance and lots of love, Isaac was proudly toilet trained and the episodes of fearfulness lessened. Yet, both of them continually told us that they never wanted to go back to Colorado to their mother again and wanted to stay with us “fo’evah”. They even expressed these desires to Harmon’s neighbours, and in every instance totally unsolicited. We finally had established a loving and secure home for them.
During this process, I fell in love with Harmon and his children.
Then, after four months of being an extended family, accompanied by a nanny, and attaining such wonderful progress with the children, our lives were shattered as they were whisked away by the police and their mother, and Harmon was arrested and put in jail. The children’s reaction on seeing their mother was not one of joy but rather of fear. The nightmare had just begun for all of us; a loving family was torn apart. I pray that you can imagine the emotions of pain, fear, anger, and helplessness that take over the body, mind, and heart during such events. I never imagined that a year later, we would still be living the nightmare that our children would continue to be forced by the authorities to live in an abusive environment against their will. We have neither seen nor spoken to our children nor have we been informed of their whereabouts throughout this entire ordeal. Even now, we are shocked that the US and Canadian authorities involved refuse to show any interest whatsoever in even checking on their welfare and safety, in spite of our extensive efforts to enforce basic fathers’ rights.
Attached is an account of the bizarre events which occurred before and following the “legalised abduction” of our children and Harmon’s arrest. It appals me as a Canadian to think that lives, especially those of children, can be so violated with little or no concern for their wellbeing in the civilised international community – where one is assumed guilty until proven rich; where it is difficult to convince anyone to listen to the truth and act accordingly, especially where innocent children are involved. Where are the righteous, where are the people in power who care? Will no one help and be responsible for innocent children unless they are paid?
I am impressed by your book It Takes A Village. Yes, we are all responsible
for the welfare of those who cannot defend themselves, but how many of us in the international community actually take that responsibility and risk, and do something? There are two children involved in this particular situation, and in this “global” scenario, someone of power and influence must rise up and protect these two innocent ones. The “village” must be global. The “global elders” must be there for even these two children as all children are the future of this planet, a place that is in desperate need of loving, compassionate, caring parental leaders to right the wrong-doings.
My husband is a very responsible father. I have never seen a more devoted and loving father, reassuringly and lovingly guiding his children through life’s challenges. I have learned much from him for his teaching and support come from his heart and his love for his children.
I am asking you, PLEASE BE AN “ELDER” WITH US IN HELPING US RESCUE THESE CHILDREN. You and I have been fortunate to have had loving families and Harmon and I would like to continue this tradition for our children.
We need your assistance and support from your “global” village. I believe that when you read the attached document, you will be incensed at the incredible political and judicial corruption that surround the events that led up to these children being put at such inconceivable risk. You then must see how important it is that strong action be taken quickly to right this atrocious wrong and to bring these children to safety immediately. In your husband’s recent State of the Union Address, you received a standing ovation for your work with children’s issues in the United States. I too applaud your book and your efforts. Won’t you please extend those efforts internationally and respond to a Canadian mother’s request for these two children?
Awaiting your reply,
Carolyn Wilfred
Harmon & Carolyn Wilfred
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Suite 344 356 Ontario Street Stratford ON Canada N5A 7X6
CONFIDENTIAL E-MAIL TRANSMISSION
Date: January 20, 1998
To: The American Civil Liberties Union
From: Harmon Wilfred
Dear National Affiliate:
I know that your procedures are such that you require requests for help to be in writing and channelled through the appropriate state affiliate. However, with TWO INNOCENT CHILDREN AT EXTREME RISK, I do not have the luxury of time. I am also aware that your assistance is unavailable for cases that involve divorce or child custody, except if the case focuses “on instances where government has infringed upon a person's privacy, religion, or speech, or where the government has not followed proper procedures”. Please indulge this request and consider that the exception is the rule in this case.
The following is a brief on the events starting in 1990 that led up to the total loss of and contact with my then 2˝ year old son to an extremely unjust judgement. As you may recall, in 1990 I submitted a brief and transcripts on the initial portion of this case to the ACLU both at the state and national levels. Your decision at the time was to decline help through the ACLU and recommend other avenues. As I did not have the resources to pursue your recommendation, to my extreme dismay, the resulting judgement against me and my right to see my son is still outstanding and…….. as of 11 months ago, this same judgement has been utilised to remove my current two children from me! As I have only recently obtained the resources to fight for my rights as a father, I am providing this brief in the hope that you will reconsider your help and/or provide me with your reference to a prominent law firm, in Colorado or anywhere in the US, who will research the case from a federal constitutional and a general law perspective and advise me of my rights and opportunity to have access to ALL my children.
I am a U.S. citizen currently living in Canada. I presently reside in Stratford, Ontario, Canada with my Canadian wife, Carolyn. Carolyn and I were married in Stratford on August 2, 1998. I am now supported in this case both morally and financially by Carolyn and her father. Carolyn’s father is a third generation owner of a well known international company headquartered in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.
In July of 1990, I lived in Littleton, Colorado at which time my previous wife, Sandra Wilfred, received a divorce decree. During our marriage of 7 years, we adopted an infant son, Tyler Jonathan Wilfred, through a local agency. As a result of my attorney’s untimely death less than one month before the divorce trial, and the judge’s insistence on disallowing a continuance for further legal representation to prepare my case, as well as her insistence upon my representing myself without council, “whether I liked it or not”, my constitutional rights were grossly violated by the court through: denial of due process; illegal search and seizure; violation of attorney-client privilege; violation of religious freedom; and, ultimately, even the denial for a period of over 14 months of the receipt of the transcripts of the entire legal procedure to prove my case! Furthermore, as a direct result of my normal religious practices in the charismatic faith (prayer and gifts of the spirit), I have been prevented by the court from having ANY contact with my son since 1990, in spite of my constant requests over the years, even though there is no legal or professional basis for such a decision by the judge other than her extreme religious prejudice and her opinion “from a layman’s point of view”. She admitted on the record that she could not find any professional testimony to concur with her personal assessment, even after procuring a psychologist and a psychiatrist to examine me during the proceedings! I now have the transcripts from the entire proceedings and will make same available for review. This previous judgement has now been used to justify denying my custody rights in the current custody determination with my two children from my subsequent and now previous marriage to Dearna Garcia Wilfred. Upon request, I will make available a law suit filed by me with the US Federal District Court in 1990 for the violation of my constitutional rights that was dismissed on the grounds that the Federal Courts refuse to protect constitutional rights when violated in a family court. I have neither seen nor had any contact with my son for over 9 years as a result of that court judgement.
Thereafter, I was married to Dearna Garcia Wilfred in December of 1990, with whom I fathered the two young children referred to above – my seven-year old daughter, Danielle Marie Wilfred, and my five-year old son, Isaac Arthur Wilfred. We resided in Colorado Springs, Colorado. I left the U.S. in June of 1997 on an extended business trip bringing me ultimately to Canada. I had experienced serious problems in my marriage to Dearna prior to this trip, including abuse and violence toward me and the children. As a direct result of her behaviour, Dearna previously had been reported to Social Services for child abuse. The only reason that she was not charged with child abuse and ejected from the home at that time was because she entered into a formal agreement with me, my attorney, and a Social Worker agreeing to co-operate by permitting me to hire a full-time nanny for the children and to require her to obtain psychological counselling for her abusive behaviour.
However, Dearna never obtained any psychological help, as agreed, and fired the nanny in August of 1997 while I was in Canada on business. When I learned of what Dearna had done, I was extremely concerned for the welfare of my children, particularly considering the high level of Dearna’s mental and emotional instability and abusive tendencies, and I also realised that I must remove the children to safety and apply for a divorce. At Dearna’s insistence on meeting me in Phoenix, Arizona where I was completing some business in mid-October, 1997, and on her asking me to take the children because of her inability to handle them, I filed for divorce, had her served, and took possession of the children under the advice of my attorney, Seymour Wheelock, who was in Phoenix with me at the time along with a Colorado Social Worker. I then returned to my new home in Stratford, Ontario with the children during the process of the divorce proceeding. I was in the process of completing other extensive business here and also planned to make Canada my permanent home and business headquarters. While in Arizona, Mr. Wheelock also presented Dearna with a Resolution for Divorce and we maintained contact with her attorney for a good faith settlement.
Mr. Wheelock returned to Colorado Springs and attended an unexpected emergency court hearing called by Dearna’s attorney while I was en route to Stratford. I did not attend this hearing personally as I did not have sufficient notice. My attorney did attend on my behalf, along with numerous supportive witnesses. However, because I was absent at that hearing, the judge refused to permit any testimony from the witnesses in attendance on my behalf regarding Dearna’s incompetence as a mother and her documented abusive behaviour toward the children. Instead, the judge gave temporary custody of the children to Dearna and totally refused to hear any testimony or review her known history of child abuse. Moreover, Dearna had admitted openly to a number of individuals in court that day that she wasn’t at all concerned for the children as long as they were with me. The fact of the matter is that I had been the primary care-giver for both children since the day they were born as Dearna simply could not handle them. One of my primary objectives in life has always been to father and provide loving care for my children.
Dearna then contacted my ex-wife Sandra and invoked the entire previous proceeding and judgement into the current proceeding, bringing into question my right to custody and any further contact with my children. A series of bizarre events then commenced, without my knowledge, during what I assumed was good faith negotiations with Dearna for custody and property, which ultimately resulted in Dearna regaining physical possession of the children and incarcerating me in Canada. This action was instigated by Dearna’s attorney solely through fraudulent misrepresentation and flagrant misuse of the legal and judicial systems in both the U.S.A. and Canada as well as the Hague Commission on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction. Through initial instigation and manipulation by the El Paso County District Attorney at the highest political and legal levels in the U.S., both State and Federal, with significant help and influence by a prominent political figure and former District Attorney in El Paso County, Colorado, Mr. John Suthers, Dearna’s attorney conspired with Mr. Suthers to fabricate “trumped up” charges against me for Criminal Extortion and Violation of a Custody Order. This enabled Dearna and her legal team to invoke the Hague Commission Treaty between Canada and the US and on February 14th, 1998 for Dearna to come to my home in Canada, sweep the children into an unmarked police van while on a walk with their nanny, take them directly to the airport and immediately return them back to Colorado and into the arms of the abusive environment from which they had been rescued four months earlier. The Canadian authorities then arrested me at my home, during which, when I enquired as to why….. the officer stated in confusion….. that he didn’t have any documentation from the States as yet. The children’s nanny later gave her personal account that Dearna, with the Canadian police, suddenly pulled up at the curb in an unmarked police van and grabbed my children as they attempted to hide behind their nanny in horror, even hiding from their mother who was cursing uncontrollably and who had to be restrained by the police during this so-called “rescue”. I was then incarcerated in a maximum security facility in Cambridge, Ontario for a period of eighty-nine days before I was able to obtain bail on May 14th, 1998.
In my enquiries through my Canadian attorney regarding how such ridiculous and fraudulent charges could be made on virtually no evidence, I discovered that Mr. Suthers, as the former El Paso County District Attorney, was conspiring with Dearna’s attorney to launch a vendetta against me. This resulted from a previous confrontation with him regarding my having reported to the F.B.I. his involvement in a pension fund embezzlement scam in 1995 that threatened his political career, generated considerable embarrassment for him, and forced him to imprison one of his friends and business associates. As a direct result of my efforts as a consultant on behalf of the El Paso County Pension Fund, Mr. Suthers was forced by the F.B.I. to press charges against his close friend, Mr. Michael Witty, the Director of the Pension Fund, who was instrumental in this embezzlement scheme and who was sent to prison for eighteen years for his illegal actions. Simultaneously, the County Treasurer and two Pension Fund Board members were fired and heavily fined, and two major law firms incurred severe financial losses after losing their case in support of those charged. All of this is a matter of record. Mr. Suthers also resigned his position as District Attorney thereafter to run in the November, 1998 election for state Attorney General which he subsequently lost. However, Mr. Suthers thereafter has continued to enforce his incredible degree of political power and influence in Colorado to his own benefit, all the while looking for a way to get back at me for having uncovered and reported this illegal matter against his close friends and political allies. He has since been assigned a position as head of the correction facilities for the State of Colorado, a curious, albeit strategic position for him to hold should I be extradited back to Colorado to be held for trial in a Colorado correctional facility. Dearna’s marital dispute against me, the invocation of the previous judgement, and his current political assignment has provided Mr. Suthers and his political allies with the perfect opportunity to destroy my effort to expose them all. I have been advised secretly, by a prominent attorney close to the situation with Mr. Suthers, that my personal safety would be seriously jeopardised should I be returned to Colorado prior to the charges against me being removed and this entire situation being legally exposed and challenged.
While I was in jail initially, Dearna’s attorney used this strategic position to initiate two processes against me to his, and ultimately Dearna’s, advantage. The first was a Motion to Waive Mediation regarding our divorce because I was “incarcerated in Canada”, while conveniently omitting the fact that he and Mr. Suthers were the instigators behind my incarceration. The second was her filing for an uncontested, ex-parte divorce which Mr. Wheelock did not refute, in spite of my request and direction to him to do so.
Unfortunately, Mr. Wheelock was spending his time fending off a complaint filed against him by the DA with the Colorado Supreme Court for his part in representing me in my divorce proceeding. He was being accused of misconduct for his assistance in the removal of my children from Dearna. Essentially, he was intimidated to the extent of his action to abandon the case and leave me without legal representation while I was incarcerated in Canada. Mr. Wheelock was virtually chased out of the case by the Colorado authorities who even attempted to have him disbarred. The outcome was my legal divorce on April 27th, 1998 from Dearna, and with the invocation of the previous judgement, full custody of the children was determined to her favour on September 14th, 1998. I have been disallowed ANY contact with my two children since they were taken from me on February 14th of last year.
On June 1st, 1998, I was back in court again in Kitchener, Ontario for an extradition hearing. After a full day’s hearing, the judge essentially ignored the general lack of evidence and ultimately deliberated against me on both charges based entirely upon hearsay evidence and documented, last minute “surprise new evidence” submitted by the District Attorney in Colorado that has since been confirmed and documented as fraudulent, and same has been submitted in the case for my Appeal here in Canada. In any case, the Canadian Judge incarcerated me once again in Cambridge for a period of an additional thirty-six days until my impending extradition back to Colorado. During this entire procedure, to my disbelief, the prosecution and the Judge proceeded without ever considering evidence presented regarding instability of the mother, and without showing any concern whatsoever for the welfare of the children. Evidence was misrepresented to such a degree that my new attorney, Mr. Alan Gold, of Gold & Fuerst, from Toronto, Ontario, was able to obtain virtually unrestricted bail for me on July 6th, 1998 pending an appeal hearing on my extradition on the grounds of insufficient evidence and misrepresentation of evidence. Accordingly, I spent a total of one hundred and twenty-five days (the initial eighty-nine plus thirty-six after losing my extradition hearing) incarcerated in the Cambridge maximum facility prison. Mr. Alan Gold is among the top 3 criminal attorneys in Canada and is considered by the legal profession to be one of the top extradition attorneys here. He is convinced that this case is totally tainted and has insisted that I get on the offence. He is available for consultation. As I now can afford it, I would prefer the same prominence of legal representation in the US. Needless to say, I consider you and your organisation to be of that calibre.
Of extreme concern to me and my new wife, Carolyn, is that throughout this entire process, officials have made no effort whatsoever to look into the welfare of the children. When Carolyn approached the Hague Commission, and thereafter the Department of Family Services in Colorado Springs, in writing during my incarceration in February, 1998 and included affidavits from key witnesses as to Dearna’s past violent and abusive behaviour towards the children, they too refused to act, or even do so much as check on my children.
As we ultimately discovered, Social Services were just one of many entities in Colorado, including the Office of the District Attorney, believed to fall under the strong political influence of Mr. John Suthers. The prosecution is so fearful of our having access to Dearna for the possibility of filing a motion to initiate a complete psychological evaluation that they have placed her under “police protection” justified by ridiculous accusations against me that have absolutely no substance. As a result, even since my release from incarceration on bail, I have been prevented totally from having any contact with my children and in fact have no idea even where they are being kept. The prosecution is taking every effort to conceal from me the whereabouts of both the children and Dearna. This has occurred, even though my bail conditions include no restrictions as such and I am free to move about the entire province of Ontario, Canada.
Numerous parties in both countries acknowledge these charges against me as being absolutely ridiculous and unbelievable. However, through careful corroboration by the prosecution at many levels, this vicious attack against an innocent man with the constant over-riding concern of harm to my children has escalated to a level beyond anyone’s imagination, all as a result of the previous judgement and the vindictiveness of political officials in Colorado who essentially have used a family dispute and an unfair and unchallenged judgement to their own political and personal advantage. This becomes particularly serious when you consider that John Suther’s strong personal affiliations reach right to the White House and Federal Department of Justice. As a direct result of such influence, even though the first application submitted by Colorado for my extradition was rejected by the US Justice Department, Mr. Suther’s intervention in the second Colorado request for extradition resulted in it being signed by the US Attorney General herself, Janet Reno.
My concerns and objectives at this time are three-fold – to bring the children to safety immediately, to get these charges against me dropped as quickly as possible, and to regain contact and ultimate custody of my children. As fantastic as this story seems to be, please trust that it is true. Please confirm all herein by viewing the evidence on hand and confirming for yourselves the immediate need to rescue my children from an abusive and potentially dangerous environment.
Accordingly, I would appreciate your assistance in every way possible to either get involved directly and/or provide your recommendation as to a Colorado or US law firm respected by your organisation and versed in constitutional and general practice law to help me attain these objectives. Needless to say, whatever Colorado firm you may recommend, it can in no way be related to John Suthers and his political constituents. Obviously, with my concern for safety and unimpaired justice, I initially must pursue this entire matter from Canada with a U.S. attorney in order to launch an effective offence against Colorado. The Extradition Appeal in Canada is scheduled such that my bail release has been extended to May 31, 1999 although Mr. Gold believes that the decision may come before the Appeal Court before that date. Accordingly, THIS REQUEST IS OF THE UTMOST URGENCY considering the safety and security of my children as the first and foremost priority. Thank you for your expedient help and/or references.
Sincerely,
Harmon L. Wilfred
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Message: As I predicted many forums ago, the Republican Congress will commit political suicide. Nostradamus is never wrong.
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Message: So, Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network, has ordered his Christian Coalition troops to withdraw from their attempt to topple the presidency and overthrow democracy. Winning feels sooooo good. But, folks, don't slack up. There's lots of cleaning up to do. We just hit the beaches in the Senate and it's over.....But keep fighting until we get every member of the anti-constitutional forces out of office. Never let them back or we will go through this again. Take no prisoners.
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Message: You and your husband stand for only one thing Hillary:
REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH
You do this by supporting unlimited births of babies by people who cannot
afford them. As long as you can tax the working people to spend on the
illegitimate, unwanted, with no fathers or mothers who care, you and
your husband are happy.
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That's funny, I don't seem to remember Pat Robertson being in the House or
the Senate. I also don't seem to remember the President getting Impeached
on moral grounds. He was Impeached because the chose to break the law. If
what you're saying is that only Christians follow the law I certainly must
disagree. Just as it's also false that all Democrats ignore the law, it's
just the ones in the House, the Senate and the Oval Office.
Now, if the President is convicted we will get a very Liberal AlGore and he will
have plenty of time to ramp up for the 2000 elections. That could be a real
problem for the Republicans. However if Clinton stays in office we can expect
two more years of scandals. Ken Starr is still busy at work digging up more proof of
violations of the law by the Clintons and their cohorts. This non-stop assault
on the leader of the Democrats with facts and witnesses will slowly chip away
at what little dignity the Democratic Party has left. If you really think
the worst is over you are certainly deluded. In addition, there is now so much bad blood
between the President and all the Congressmen and Senators that the
president will get absolutely nothing done his way ever again. Furthermore,
Greenspan has forecast, at the very least, a slow down of the economy. (He also
condemned the socialist Social Security Scam the president proposed in the
State of the Union Show Tuesday, much to the dismay of the press.) People
will likely be less content by the time the elections roll around. This does
not bode well for an administration run by Polls and Focus Groups. Those of
us who hold the constitution dear will never, never, never give Clinton a
moment's rest. The same ignorance of the constitution and the law exhibited
by the general population that is helping the President now will be a problem
for him later. No one will remember the Impeachment by election day. The only
thing on most of their feeble minds will be the latest scandal and the price
of gas. Remember, less than half of these people can name all three branches
of our government. Public education has failed the public and this mess is what
we get. Ever wonder why every single Internet Poll (that I've seen) says that
the President should be convicted? These people are better educated, more
successful (due to their own hard work rather than handouts) and more likely
to question the Spin. Now that the President has swung back to the Left in
order to assure the support of the Democratic Senators he has doomed his chances
to keep the centrists. The Democratic Party has Self-Destructed just to
prevent the Republicans from having one particular victory. God Bless Bill
Clinton!
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"I regret that what began as a friendship came to include this conduct."
WASHINGTON--Such is Bill Clinton's fecundity as a liar, there still are darkly
illuminating lies that are just now being scrutinized for the first time, even
by people who have been attentive to this scandal. Consider the lie printed above.
Like Poe's purloined letter, Clinton's lie has been in plain view. For five
months. And it was neither a slip of the tongue nor a flustered response to
an unexpected question. It was a carefully written part of a crafty script,
coldly calculated and finely calibrated. It was in the written statement he
read to the grand jury when he was asked the first question about his relationship
with Monica Lewinsky.
But this relationship that supposedly "began" as a friendship actually became
something else very quickly. The "conduct" that included oral sex (and e-mail
describing the effect of chewing Altoids before performing oral sex) began the
very day in 1995 that Clinton first met Lewinsky. As Rep. James Rogan said to
the Senate, within hours after Clinton met and spoke with Lewinsky for the first
time, "he invited her back to the Oval Office to perform sex acts on him." Lewinsky
has testified that even a month later, a month into both the "friendship" and "this
conduct," she was still doubtful that Clinton even knew her name.
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Why is the President afraid to let us invest our own money? Because he
thinks that we're too stupid to do it properly? Perhaps.
More likely it's because if he actually allows us the free
I knew that you could
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A time to reap and a time to sow
And the difference our wisdom to know
Thanks to the resistence of the sixties
A cruel and questionable war
Dodged by Clinton and the rest of us
We stopped the war for you to enjoy
The good times you have today.
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Editorial
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January 20, 1999
Florida Times-Union
Jan.20.1999
That's why they want to call witnesses...they haven't had enough yet of the salacious details of the young girl's sex life. But you, President Clinton, are paying attention to the needs of the country and its citizens and we are all grateful. Espcially noteworthy is your idea to assist people who are caring for ailing elderly relatives. Thanks!
The Civil War of Innuendo & Hypocrisy is OVER!
Let the celebrations begin, but remember the names of their leaders, and their wimps that followed blindly. Rid our Congress of this vermin forever. Rout out every member of the enemy who conspired to overthrow our democracy.
A lie in plain view
By George Will
Published Jan. 21, 1999
--President Clinton, Aug. 17, 1998