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Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 18 Will the President Recover? Bombing Afganistan.
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Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 28 Video Tapes Released! Big surprise - Clinton's ratings go up!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 29 Right-Wing extremists attack on forum. Hacked, disabled, sexual abuse. Forum shut down for three days.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 30 Hillary Clinton in San Francisco. Very popular and very presidential. Fundraising Dinner for Barbara Boxer sold out! Editors of Hillary Clinton Forum invited to attend.
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Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 32 It's not sex, or even perjury, it's a Right-Wing COUP! Dysfunctional Democracy - The Triumph of Theocracy.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 33 Bad News for the GOP - Significant loss in polls after release of the videos on the Internet.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 34 Peace Accord in the Middle East. H.RES.545 - SPONSOR: Rep Hastings, Alcee A resolution impeaching Kenneth W. Starr,
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 35 Halloween. HUGE Voter turnout expected in California. Judge orders Starr investigation.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 36 Democrats Win Big! Americans Send a Message to Republicans - Drop it!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 37 Why the GOP lost the November 3rd Elections. Discussions on abortion.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 38 Thanksgiving. House Judiciary Committee holds impeachment hearings. Kenneth Starr in Congress. Hillary Clinton Forum Featured in THE TIMES of London
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 39 Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee recommend impeaching President Clinton. Straight party line of 21-16, setting up historic political showdown.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 40 Hillary Clinton Forum in Newsweek .
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 42 US Bombs Iraq. Bob Livingston Outed by Larry Flynn!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 43 Bob Livingston Resigns in disgrace.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 44 Clinton Impeached on two counts by Kangaroo court. GOP Commits Political Suicide!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 45 Clinton's Popularity Hits New High! Promises never to resign. Halts strikes on Iraq.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 47 Merry Christmas. GOP Hypcrites outed by Larry Flynn - Citizens and media begin attacking the Radical Right.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 48 Happy New Year. Larry Flynt and Tom DeLay driving GOP Agenda.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 49 Senate Impeachment Trial begins.
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Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 51 Senate begins Impeachment Trial. Bob Barr & Trent Lott's connection to white supremacists.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 52 Martin Luther King Day. Clinton's State of the Union Address Brilliant Success. 77% Approval rating.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 53 GOP Self Destructs. Conservatives attack their own GOP leaders.Secret meeting with Monica.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 54 GOP Self Destructs. Pat Robertson Retreats. Bob Barr disavows the CCC.
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Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 57 Impeachment Trial - Just one more week and it's over!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 58 Teletubbies furor. Tinky Winky outed by Jerry Falwell.
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WASHINGTON, Dec. 20 —  President Bill Clinton’s job approval rating reached new heights in the wake of the impeachment vote Saturday, according to the latest NBC News poll. The poll showed Clinton’s approval rating rose from 68 percent in a similar poll Tuesday to 72 percent after the House passed two articles of impeachment against him.

THE NBC POLL also found that 62 percent of the respondents said he should serve out his term — up 11 percentage points from Tuesday’s survey. The number of those who said the president should resign dropped 10 points from 44 percent to 34 percent. The poll of 510 adults had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percent.        Clinton also held his own in a CBS/New York Times poll conducted Saturday. Sixty-six percent of the respondents thought it would be better for the country if Clinton did not resign, compared with 69 percent before the vote. The same 661 adults were interviewed last week before the House vote and gave almost identical answers on the question of resignation.        Interviewers in the CBS/New York Times poll found that 63 percent of the respondents would prefer it if a compromise, like a censure or a fine, were worked out instead of holding a trial in the Senate. However 57 percent said they thought that the Senate would not compromise on the issue and that there would be a trial. The margin of error for the CBS/New York Times poll was plus or minus 4 percentage points.        After the vote, the president and his aides said they hoped to find a “constitutional and fair” means to end his predicament short of a trial in the Senate. He also vowed not to resign, pledging to keep working “until the last hour of the last day” of his term. MSNBC..

."Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their Constitution." MSNBC NEWS ...MORE....

BAD NEWS FOR THE GOP

Angry Voters Quitting The GOP

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

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Once again (boy, this is gettin' scary) I must agree with the Editors. Once the truth about Danny Williams was made public I made sure I washed my hands of it publically. When I screw up (as in propogating a lie) I admit it, apologize and try to right the wrong. After all, isn't this what we are asking Clinton to do? Sadly, he lacks the strength of character to do so. This is the whole reason our country is being dragged through the mud. As Rush would say : "Character matters. Words mean things." Let's try to live up to the same standards we are demanding of our leaders.

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Now, back to business.

"One might argue, as Judge Nixon does, that his false statements were not material ..... But Judge Nixon took an oath to tell the truth and the whole truth. As a grand jury witness, it was not for him to decide what would be material. That was for the grand jury to decide. So I am going to vote guilty. ..... Judge Nixon lied to the grand jury. He misled the grand jury. These acts are criminal and warrant impeachment."
   - Wisconsin Democratic Senator Herb Kohl, 1989

Anyone care to guess how he'll vote this year? Anyone want to try to defend his hypocrisy? Anyone?!

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I thought only Republicans were capable of "hate speech"! Well, here's a Democrat with small (inept) example of the Liberal version of hate speech. Further proof that there are morons in both parties.

Name: Editors to Zippy

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Message: What did Judge Nixon lie about? If it was material to the case then it was perjury, but if it was to cover a personal sin then it was not. Most lawyers will agree with me that courts would normally ignore this kind of lie. I have also read a lot of legal opinions to support what I am saying.

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email: editors@hillary.org

Message: Thank you for the link to The Daily Guerilla Journal. Looks like Bob Barr is next to be outed by Larry Flynt. Couldn't happen to a nicer person. When does this famous Hustler Magazine come out anyway?

Name: LISA MENNELLA

email: LMENNELL@BELLATLANTIC.NET

Message: DEAR HILLARY, I WANTED TO START OUT BY SAYING IN MR. CLINTON'S FIRST ELECTION, I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM AS I HAD ALWAYS BEEN A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN. HOWEVER, AFTER HIS FIRST TERM I DID IN FACT VOTE FOR HIM AS I BELIEVED AND STILL DO IN THE WORK HE IS DOING. MY MOTHER IS A DEMOCRATIC COUNCILWOMAN WHO HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING YOU AT A LUNCHEON FOR DEOMOCRATIC WOMAN IN OFFICE. THOUGH THIS MESSAGE MAY BE LOST IN THE URGENCY OF THE POLITICAL ARENA OF EVENTS CURRENTLY HAPPENING, I WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE A GREAT DEAL OF MEN AND WOMAN (I BEING ONE OF THEM) WHO DO SUPPORT YOU AND MR. CLINTON. I FIRST DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED IN THE PAULA JONES CASE WAS ABLE TO BE LITIGATED WHILE THE PRESIDENT WAS STILL IN OFFICE. HAD THAT NOT OCCURED, WELL, YOU KNOW. REGARDLESS WHAT HAS BROUGHT US T0 THE PRESENT SITUATION, I THINK IT IS TERRIBLE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GIVEN CARTE BLANCHE TO BLATENLY COMMENT NEGATIVELY ON THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY WHO IS STILL IN OFFICE. THE GIMMICS AND MARKETING OF SUCH GARBAGE AS THE "GROWING NOSE WATCH" I FIND OUTRAGEOUS. SIMPLY PUT THE LITTLE PEOPLE WITH THE BIG MOUTHS HAVE NOW STUMBLED UPON A FALSE SENSE OF POWER, INCLUDING JUDGEMENT AND PUNISHMENT OF WHAT LOOKS TO BE IN THEIR CONTROL. FORGETTING ANY SELF-INDULGED SINS OF THEIR OWN THE WISH TO IGNORE OR DENY. IT IS MY OPINION THAT THIS ENTIRE MATTER IS SOLEY BASED ON THAT, OF THE SENATE AS WELL... POWER. MR. CLINTON HAS IT AND THEY WANT TO JUMP IN AND TAKE IT OVER. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS ABOUT ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT, NOR WOULD IT HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR OR OUT OF CONTROL DUE TO THE NEED OF CONTROL. I AM SORRY FOR THE SITUATION YOU BOTH FIND YOURSELVES IN REGARDLESS OF ANY WRONGDOING OR NOT ON EITHER OF YOUR PARTS. I THINK MR. CLINTON IS ONE OF THE GREATEST PRESIDENTS THIS WORLD WILL HAVE KNOWN, AND HAD HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN AGAIN TODAY, I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM. YOUR FAMILY MATTER WHICH I BELIEVE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT TO BE, I FEEL YOU SHOW GREAT STRENGTH AND CONTROL WHICH I ADMIRE GREATLEY. HEARING SUCH NONSENSE COMMENTS AS "SHE SHOULD LEAVE HIM" IS SO INCREDIBLE AS IF EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO, YOUR POSITION AS THE FIRST LADY WOULD ALLOW YOU TO ACT LIKE A SCORNED TRAILER PARK LOVER. I WISH YOU ALL GOOD LUCK IN THE FUTURE WHATEVER THE OUTCOME. KNOW THERE ARE MANY SUPPORTERS FOR YOU BOTH. WHATEVER THE PUNISHMENT, YOU BOTH SHOW GREAT COURAGE AND CHARACTER THAT MAKES ME PROUD I ELECTED THE RIGHT MAN (AND WOMAN) FOR THE JOB. WELL DONE. GOD BLESS. LISA MENNELLA

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"Most lawyers will agree with me that courts would normally ignore this kind of lie."

Senator Herb Kohl (and at least 26 other current Democratic Senators) seem to have sided with me ten years ago. Quote: "...it was not for him to decide what would be material." And since this is not a regular Jury but the Senate (as it was ten years ago) I respectfully submit that what a prosecutor may or may not have done is irrelevant in this situation.

"When does this famous Hustler Magazine come out anyway?"

I would have no way of knowing. But I feel sure Larry will plug his infamous smut filled "publication" tonight on C-SPAN as he is only in this for the money (you know, like Tripp and Goldberg).

"Looks like Bob Barr is next to be outed by Larry Flynt."

I'll bet Larry didn't find any illegal activity on the part of any of the victims.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

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I do not usually bother to read messages typed in ALL CAPS like the one above by "LISA MENNELLA" but I did and it brought home to me just how completely ignorant of the Constitution and the laws of this nation many people can be. I will not attack Ms. MENNELLA personally but several of her statements were so offensive I cannot let them pass unanswered:

"I FIRST DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED IN THE PAULA JONES CASE WAS ABLE TO BE LITIGATED WHILE THE PRESIDENT WAS STILL IN OFFICE."

The Supreme Court of the United States of America carefully considered arguments from both sides and decided that the case should be tried while the President was still in office. You may not like the decision but it stands nonetheless.

"I THINK IT IS TERRIBLE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GIVEN CARTE BLANCHE TO BLATENLY COMMENT NEGATIVELY ON THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY WHO IS STILL IN OFFICE."

This was particularly offensive. We live in a free society. The First amendment guarantees us the right to speak out against the Evil that Bill Clinton is any time and any place that we wish. Read the Constitution for God's sake.

"I AM SORRY FOR THE SITUATION YOU BOTH FIND YOURSELVES IN REGARDLESS OF ANY WRONGDOING OR NOT ON EITHER OF YOUR PARTS."

So the President can have "CARTE BLANCHE" to break the law but the People cannot have "CARTE BLANCHE" to speak freely. Astounding.

"HEARING SUCH NONSENSE COMMENTS AS "SHE SHOULD LEAVE HIM" IS SO INCREDIBLE AS IF EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO, YOUR POSITION AS THE FIRST LADY WOULD ALLOW YOU TO ACT LIKE A SCORNED TRAILER PARK LOVER."

So, leaving a husband for repeated instances of Adultery is "ACT[ing] LIKE A SCORNED TRAILER PARK LOVER"? I only hope her husband does not give her reason to deal with this situation first hand. I suspect, if she has any backbone whatsoever, she would "ACT LIKE A SCORNED TRAILER PARK LOVER". Incredible.

"...PROUD I ELECTED THE RIGHT MAN (AND WOMAN) FOR THE JOB."

This is so offensive I cannot bring myself to comment on it with language suitable for this public forum. Suffice it to say that I do not remember seeing Hillary Clinton on the ballot in '92 or '96.

If this kind of "thinking" (for lack of a better word) is typical of Americans I now fully understand the high poll numbers our Perjurer in Chief now commands. The End cannot be far.

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Message: I really admire you for everything you have accomplished. And I hope you run for president. We need a good woman president. I think your husband is doing a great job as being president. In fact I think he is the best president we ever did have. And I am against him being impeached. I think what he did was wrong but he should'nt be impeached for it. I think we need to move on. got to go now Denise Ward E-mail me at deniseinshelton@hotmail.com

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Q Joe, on the four charges of perjury, they're all lumped together. You're making the argument that the problem here is that some senators might believe one of them, but not believe the other three and it's essentially unfair. How -- I don't quite understand what you're arguing here.

MR. LOCKHART: Well, you have four areas. You could have a situation potentially, where 17 senators believed that the President committed perjury in one area, 17 believed in the second area, 17 believed in the third area, and 17 believed in the fourth area, giving you one over the magic number. So you're asking people to vote on multiple charges without giving them the ability to look at each charge, weigh the evidence and make a reasoned judgment.

Name: Cain

email: chalquist@hotmail.com

Message: The degree to which family conflicts--which as a counselor I know are painful enough when kept private--have been dragged by stone-casters into the public light has horrified me, and yet you, Ms. Clinton, have borne it all with dignity and tact and even humor. It may mean little, ultimately, that one voice among millions congratulates you exceedingly on the intelligence and courage you have displayed during what must have been an enormously difficult time for you. Warmest regards and good wishes, C

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It looks as if C-SPAN wouldn't even let Larry "Wish-it-was-hard-as-Bubba's" Flynt on the air live. An eggplant can get on C-SPAN but I guess even they have their standards! I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to hear what the FBI files (oops, I meant Larry's informers) had to say about Bob "I-crap-more-impressive-chunks-than-Flynt" Barr. I can hardly wait. Ta-ta...

Was that too harsh?...... Nah!

Name: Fabius

email: fabius@wowmail.com

Message: Let's see if the precedent does it again in his state of the union speech. Says that tonight there are no missles pointed at the United States, a knowing lie. To the sheep that believe their shepherd is leading them to safety rather then distruction, I attach THIS STORY about the threat of Russia to America. Many people actually believe that Russia is no threat because the precedent said so. All I can say is MOVE INLAND! - AWAY FROM THE COASTS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE![ EDITOR: Don't fool yourself Fabius. If missiles landed in San Francisco everyone everywhere would die. Forget moving inland, and change your medication.]

Name: Stephanie

email: skollock@yahoo.com

Message: Dear Hillary, I just read almost ALL the coments made about the monica and impeachment thing. The one thing I truely can't understand is why the American people are getting caught up in all of this. I don't understand, it isn't like no~one has oral sex or anything. I think this hole case is between bill and yours. He's the one who cheated on you, not the people of the United States. I envy you, mrs. Hillary. You are a strong, willed women that all the women of the United States adore. I just want to tell you to keep your pretty little chin up through all of this. You're a good person inside and out and don't let anyone tell you differently. Thank you for your time in reading my thoughts. Sincerely, Stephanie

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Stephanie"

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"I think this hole case is between bill and yours."

I couldn't have said it better myself...

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug

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On a more serious note...

Who says the Republicans are anti-privacy? The Freedom and Privacy Restoration Act of 1999 is Rep. Ron Paul's (R-TX) idea! Call your congressman and tell 'em what you think!

Name: Cain

email: chalquist@hotmail.com

Message: The degree to which family conflicts--which as a counselor I know are painful enough when kept private--have been dragged by stone-casters into the public light has horrified me, and yet you, Ms. Clinton, have borne it all with dignity and tact and even humor. It may mean little, ultimately, that one voice among millions congratulates you exceedingly on the intelligence and courage you have displayed during what must have been an enormously difficult time for you. Warmest regards and good wishes, Cain

Name: Mr. X

email: ledoar@aol.com

Message: I believe that the issue of sex in the white house is irrelevent. To often Americans have been convinced of the White House spin that Congress is going to impeach the president over sex. The real issue is perjury. Some people claim that since the perjury was part of a sexual harrassment trial, it is not im- portant. [EDITORS NOTE: Perjury has not be proved. A man is innocent until proved guilty. That is the American Way. TRIAL BY INNUENDO IS DISHONEST. It is not for you to judge.] Well if we want to establish a law that says, "crimes about sex do not matter," and go against the constitution, then I say the judicial system should not consider rape, sexual harrassment and other sex crimes illegal. In the mean time, though, since crimes remotely related to sex, are still crimes, it is our constitutional obligation to try the president for impeachment. The president can not be held above the law. If we do hold him above the law, we violate the intentions that the framers of our constitution had in mind 200 years ago. So I don't want to hear from you stupid angry dikes that the impeachment is about sex. You should try and do I little research on the matter, as opposed to swollowing every thing the White House says. (no pun intended) [EDITORS NOTE: You are a hateful homophobe calling people "stupid angry dikes" Who exactly are you referring to?]

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Gee, I didn't know Jabba was a Democrat!

As for Larry Flynt, I heard that even Geraldo was let down by the "dirt" he had on Bob Barr. It seems that Bob refused to answer some questions under oath during the divorce proceedings with his second wife. He took the Fifth, as it were. Imagine that. Geraldo even said (I'm paraphrasing here) that Bob was a better lawyer than Clinton in that he knew he was better off taking the Fifth than lying! Bob must have been grinning from ear to ear when he heard that! Well, Larry, looks like round one goes to the Republicans. Better hurry up with the rest of the "dirt" though, if you lose that case in Cincinnati you're looking at 24 years in the slammer. What a total loser...

Name: LVD to Zippy W. Slug

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Gee, I didn't know Jabba was a Democrat!

To be honest I just assumed Jabba was a Democrat based on his political philosophy (executing the opposition etc.)- not to mention, isn't the Hut family life-long Democrats? Boy, Jabba really needs to lose some weight - he looks very unhealthy - oops, I was looking at the picture of Nadler.

In other news - Jeepers, if Clinton would have followed the Bob Barr model he would not have been impeached and he would not be in trouble. It just goes to show that the Democrats need to learn from Republicans. Democrat Larry Flynt also tried to made a big deal out of Barr paying for an abortion - only problem is the WOMEN was exercising her right to choose and Barr was up holding her wishes. Good thing Barr do not lie under oath or to the American people or he would be in the same amount of trouble as Clinton. The Democrat party jumped into the cesspool with Flynt and now they are surprised that all they are finding are turds (so to speak - is that a bad word?)

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From Newsweek:

"It's not my role to be like Hillary and try to rule the world."
   -Terry Ventura, on her new job as First Lady of Minnesota

I gotta tell ya', I'm really starting to like this Jesse Ventura guy.

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Message: hilary, vous faite preuve d'une innocente compréhension!

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The Clinton Years - a very odd time in American History

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Message: !--plsfield:headline--> Clinton Pays Paula Jones $850,000

By John Solomon
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, January 12, 1999; 4:48 p.m. EST

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton mailed a check for $850,000 to Paula Jones on Tuesday to settle her sexual harassment allegations, officially ending the sensational legal battle that cast his presidency into crisis.

In the week his Senate impeachment trial was to resume, the president drew about $375,000 from his and Hillary Rodham Clinton's personal funds and got the rest of the settlement, about $475,000, from an insurance policy, a White House official told The Associated Press.

``This ends it. The check is being fed-exed'' to Bill McMillan, one of Mrs. Jones' lawyers, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The official said the personal funds were drawn from the Clinton's blind trust, which was valued in their financial disclosure statement at between $1 million and about $5 million. None of the money was drawn from his legal defense fund, which raises money from private citizens to defray his legal bills, the official said.

While the check ends the litigation, the fallout from the controversy still haunts the president. Mrs. Jones' lawsuit brought to light the president's affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky and set in motion a criminal investigation that resulted in a historic House vote last month to impeach Clinton.

The president files his trial brief on Wednesday, and House prosecutors on Thursday will begin presenting to the Senate their case that the president obstructed justice in the Jones lawsuit and lied about it before a federal grand jury.

Clinton reached a settlement with Mrs. Jones on Nov. 13 after four years of litigation.

Under that settlement, Clinton didn't admit any wrongdoing or apologize and simply agreed to make a cash settlement to Mrs. Jones, a former Arkansas state worker.

Mrs. Jones alleged that Clinton, when he was governor of Arkansas, made a crude advance in a room at a Little Rock hotel in 1991. Clinton has steadfastly denied her accusation.

Clinton testified in that lawsuit on Jan. 17, 1998, and during questioning about his relationships with other women, denied he had ``sexual relations'' with Ms. Lewinsky. Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr got permission to investigate whether Clinton was trying to obstruct the lawsuit.

Clinton was forced to acknowledge a relationship with Ms. Lewinsky in testimony before a federal grand jury last August. Starr's investigation led to a referral to the House of Representatives accusing Clinton of several criminal acts.

U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright dismissed the lawsuit last April 1, ruling that Mrs. Jones' allegations, even if true, wouldn't qualify as a case of sexual harassment.

An appeal of that dismissal was pending before a federal appeals court when the settlement was reached.

Name: Father Time to LVD

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Message: LVD, what are you talking about if the sun came up from the East you would find fault and criticize it. Every person in this Country, the good ole USA is entitled to a fair trial with an impartial jury, not a partisian jury made of one sided people who want to get him at all costs. So, in fact the whole thing is a mockery of justice and in violation of our Constitution. The head Judge is a cartoon character wearing stripes. The Rules Committe of the US Senate are making up the rules as they go along. So now they all and I mean all one party are acting like Rush Limbaugh, who by the way is a tub of lard. Are you stoopid not to realize that these people in charge of our country don't give a damn about you or me. Wake up the government works best when they are collecting fines, fees, and taxes from us. Only when they are running for office or being exposed by the free press does anything good happen for the good for most of us. So keep on barking at the moon or saying this in rebuttal to some other person speaking their mind. Im still your friend and there I said it.

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Normally I don't engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent but, it's a slow night...

"So, in fact the whole thing is a mockery of justice and in violation of our Constitution."

Well, now that the World Renowned Constitutional Scholar "Father Time" has corrected the House, Senate and the Supreme Court we can all fold up our tents and go home. I sure wish he would have pointed this out months ago. He could saved us a ton of money and time (and Clinton a great deal of embarrassment) if he'd just spoken out sooner!

Dude, I will gladly supply you with a link to The Constitution of the United States of America so that you may point out for the rest of us exactly which sections the House, Senate, Supreme Court and Clinton's army of lawyers have overlooked. Please be specific and detailed in your analysis (as we have come to expect of you).

"The Rules Committe of the US Senate are making up the rules as they go along."

Pardon me but, isn't that the function of the Rules Committee or did I miss something?

"...Rush Limbaugh, who by the way is a tub of lard."

For the record, Rush has lost more than sixty pounds in the last year or so. He is now rather slim. The Clinton scandals have kept him quite busy and added to his substantial wealth.

"Are you stoopid not to realize..."

Also, for the record, it's spelled "stupid". I just love life's little ironies...

Name: Stan

email: Another adulterer and hypocrite outed

Message: You gotta love these Republicans. They want to ban abortions for everyone except their own families. Typical hypocrisy from the right wing. Here we go again. Larry Flynt has outed Bob Barr whose wife had an abortion!!! He did'nt condone it he says, he only wrote the check and drove her to the doctor, but he did not condone it!!!

Add Bob Barr to the long list of Republicans who committed adultery.

Add Bob Barr to another on the list of Republicans who committed perjury

Add Bob Barr to the long, long, long list of Republican hypocrites

It's no wonder people are turning against the GOP in droves. It must be embarrassing to be a Conservative these days. I'm happy that Liberal is now back in fashion after a twenty year absence.

I can hold my head up high, walk into the sunlight and feel good about the fact that I am not a hypocrite. Is there even one Republican left who did not jump on the bandwagon of hypocrisy?

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The IRS is presecuting yet another former Presidential girlfriend. And we're the hypocrites?!

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I really gotta start proofreading better...

The IRS is persecuting yet another former Presidential girlfriend. And we're the hypocrites?!

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ADULTERY. ABORTION. PERJURY. EVASIVE ANSWERS UNDER OATH.

The Daily Guerilla Journal

IT ALL ADDS UP TO THE BIGGEST CRIME OF ALL: HYPOCRISY!

Click Here for CNN's Story on Barr's Disgusting Hypocrisy!

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Message: Yep - Rep. Bob Barr has finally been revealed for what he is: A degenerate hypocrite sleazeball with substantially lower morals than Bill Clinton ever had, and a closet overflowing with big nasty skeletons. Last night, Larry Flynt revealed the details of Bob Barr's filthy and depraved personal lifestyle, which has included lying about sex and abortion under oath in a civil court case. Barr's second divorce (he's had so many marriages, you know) involved a trial in which Barr lied about his long-term adulterous relationship with a woman named Jerri Dobbin, the woman Barr destroyed his second marriage for and eventually married as his third wife. Barr's initial answers indicate that he denied the relationship under oath - and because even Jerri has admitted that the adulterous affair took place, that's felony perjury. Barr then had his divorce lawyer assert a privilege under Georgia law with the intent of obscuring the truth, with Barr then taking his lawyer's cue, saying that answering could bring "public disgrace and infamy" upon his family. His subsequent answers to direct questions about his adultery were met with the same answer, with Barr continually evading answering the questions.

The record of Barr's divorce trial filed against him by his second wife, Gail Barr, shows clearly that Little Bob refused to answer the questions:  "Have you been faithful to her sexually during the marriage?" and "Have you ever lived with Jerry Dobbin?" a clear and direct reference to Barr's longtime mistress and eventual third wife, Jerri. Barr also attempted to refuse to answer plaintiff's questions about whether he had coerced his second wife into having an abortion, but was ordered to answer, and eventually acknowledged that he had done so - and had paid for it! So Bob Barr is not only a hypocrite when it comes to adultery - he's also a hypocrite

Name: Editor to Zippy the Wonder Slug [ Most Honored Guest ]

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Message: Zippy, thank you so much for the interesting links you provide us on this forum. What we most admire about you is that some of the links are not flattering to some Republicans. Oh, if everyone could be like you and climb out of their partisan trenches once in a while.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Stan"

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"He did'nt condone it he says, he only wrote the check and drove her to the doctor, but he did not condone it!!!"

His other option was what? His wife made a stupid decision to kill her child. He could have turned his back on her when she needed his support. He could have treated her like a child or a possession and forbade her to have it. He could have added to her grief rather than try to support her (cruel, immoral) decision, OR he could do what any honorable man would do: he could support his wife even when he thought her decision was wrong. You'd have ripped him either way. Bob Barr is far more mature and honorable than you appear to be.

And it's "didn't" not "did'nt".

"Add Bob Barr to the long list of Republicans who committed adultery."

Add Stan to the the long list of Liberals who make unsubstantiated accusations."

"Add Bob Barr to another on the list of Republicans who committed perjury."

Add Stan to the long list of Liberals who post outright lies on this forum. (Not only did he not perjure himself, he in effect "took the Fifth" which is precisely what Clinton should have done in the Jones trial.)

"It's no wonder people are turning against the GOP in droves."

Droves? Explain why we have majorities in the Governorships, House and Senate. Droves my a**!

"It must be embarrassing to be a Conservative these days."

Not as embarrassing as it must be to be Stan...

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to the Editors

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You're most welcome for the links. Truth is Truth. Of course the The Daily Guerilla Journal, in my humble opinion, is no more than an example of Liberal "hate speech".

Also, I want one thing perfectly clear; If Bob Barr did indeed actually commit perjury I want his butt thrown clear out of DC and into prison. And if he did indeed encourage his wife to kill their child I want to know so that I never make the mistake of voting for him. But considering the source of the evidence I'm not convinced yet. After killing his child I can see why he might have decided he couldn't stay with his second wife. And since she sold embarrassing information to that Paragon of Virtue, Larry Flynt, I suspect I can tell what kind of person she really is. Not to mention that she is "destitute" as Larry put it, which indicates she can't even support herself in The Land of Opportunity. She seems like real loser from what I can see. Fortunately for her, Bob Barr is far to much a gentleman to say embarrassing things about her in public.

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Did it again! I meant "far too much a gentleman".

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His other option was what? His wife made a stupid decision to kill her child. He could have turned his back on her when she needed his support. He could have treated her like a child or a possession and forbade her to have it. He could have added to her grief rather than try to support her (cruel, immoral) decision, .....

I would prefer Republicans to act like mature adults and focus instead on preventive measures e.g: on a pill or implant that temporarily sterilizes the male until he is ready to support children, and to encourage, and even financially support young women to have Norplant or IUD's implanted to avoid having children. AND...tighten up the fathering of illegitimate children so strictly that God help the male who fathers a child and does not support it, emotionally, physically and financially.

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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to the Editors

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Here we go again. By your logic murder should be legal but we should work on ways to prevent people from committing it! I'm 100 percent for attacking this problem at every level BUT making infanticide legal legitimizes the killing of a human being. Just give up trying to convince people like me that Abortion is anything less evil than murder. The answer is so damn simple that people like me cannot believe that people like you don't get it. If you have an urge to copulate knowing you could make a child you will have to murder it's the exact same thing as having an urge to drive a hundred miles an hour through a school zone knowing you might kill a child through your reckless behavior! When I have an urge to sight my sniper rifle in at a thousand yards and drive to Washington DC I resist the urge because it would be wrong! The only argument you have is that it's legal. Would you legalize the murder of children up to three months old? What the hell is the difference? (Don't bother answering. We will never agree.)

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On a lighter note:

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And one more thing:

"Obviously Bob Barr would have done exactly the same thing, let his wife have an abortion..."

This is no where near obvious. Bob Barr has demonstrated that he obeys the law. If Abortion were not legal he would probably A) have taken greater care not to get his second wife pregnant knowing she didn't want another child (presumably she would have also been more careful) and B) he would have the law on his side to convince her to have the child and give it away if she really didn't want it! He would have morality and the law on his side! Not all people ignore laws they don't like!

Can we please just agree to disagree on this? It's getting tiresome... <

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Every person in this Country, the good ole USA is entitled to a fair trial with an impartial jury, not a partisian jury made of one sided people who want to get him at all costs.

You grossly misunderstand our system of government. The president in NOT like every person in this country - he is a branch of government. The impartial jury statement is merely your opinion and not a fact. As for partisan - partisan is in the eyes of the beholder - are the Republicans open minded and the Democrats are covering for the President despite the preponderance of the evidence or vise versa - an argument could be made to support each side. Bill Clinton's Impeachment was constitutional and legal and valid. Remember, most of your statement is merely your opinion (remember in many people's opinion - people often interact with UFOs).

So, in fact the whole thing is a mockery of justice and in violation of our Constitution.

So you, like the editor, is big on baseless erroneous statements. Please explain what in the Constitution was violated - if you can not, please retract your statement (a quote from the constitution would be nice but a paraphrase is OK).

The head Judge is a cartoon character wearing stripes.

Are you actually calling Chief Justice William Rehnquist a cartoon character wearing stripes? How do you justify such a ludicrous statement?

The Rules Committe of the US Senate are making up the rules as they go along.

This is sorta correct but this is a bipartisan activity. The Constitution presents an outline of how a the trial is to go but the Senate most fill in the details - what is wrong with that?

So now they all and I mean all one party are acting like Rush Limbaugh, who by the way is a tub of lard.

I am not sure I understand what you mean - is that like the Democrats all jumping into the sex dirt cesspool with Larry Flynt?

Are you stoopid not to realize…

Ya know, if you are going to call someone stupid - you should learn how to spell the word or else it makes you look stupid.

Wake up the government works best when they are collecting fines, fees, and taxes from us.

I see. In your opinion the government works the best when it is taking money from the populous. I completely disagree - in my opinion the government works that best when it is doing the least. Last year little was done and it was a great year - proof.

Im still your friend and there I said it.

I appreciate this - you are good person. Some people do not understand that you can vehemently disagree on issues and still be friends.

All I ask is for you cats on the left to defend and support you positions - that's it!

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Every person in this Country, the good ole USA is entitled to a fair trial with an impartial jury, not a partisian jury made of one sided people who want to get him at all costs.

You grossly misunderstand our system of government. The president in NOT like every person in this country - he is a branch of government. The impartial jury statement is merely your opinion and not a fact. As for partisan - partisan is in the eyes of the beholder - are the Republicans open minded and the Democrats are covering for the President despite the preponderance of the evidence or vise versa - an argument could be made to support each side. Bill Clinton's Impeachment was constitutional and legal and valid. Remember, most of your statement is merely your opinion (remember in many people's opinion - people often interact with UFOs).

So, in fact the whole thing is a mockery of justice and in violation of our Constitution.

So you, like the editor, is big on baseless erroneous statements. Please explain what in the Constitution was violated - if you can not, please retract your statement (a quote from the constitution would be nice but a paraphrase is OK).

The head Judge is a cartoon character wearing stripes.

Are you actually calling Chief Justice William Rehnquist a cartoon character wearing stripes? How do you justify such a ludicrous statement?

The Rules Committe of the US Senate are making up the rules as they go along.

This is sorta correct but this is a bipartisan activity. The Constitution presents an outline of how a the trial is to go but the Senate most fill in the details - what is wrong with that?

So now they all and I mean all one party are acting like Rush Limbaugh, who by the way is a tub of lard.

I am not sure I understand what you mean - is that like the Democrats all jumping into the sex dirt cesspool with Larry Flynt?

Are you stoopid not to realize…

Ya know, if you are going to call someone stupid - you should learn how to spell the word or else it makes you look stupid.

Wake up the government works best when they are collecting fines, fees, and taxes from us.

I see. In your opinion the government works the best when it is taking money from the populous. I completely disagree - in my opinion the government works that best when it is doing the least. Last year little was done and it was a great year - proof.

Im still your friend and there I said it.

I appreciate this - you are good person. Some people do not understand that you can vehemently disagree on issues and still be friends.

All I ask is for you cats on the left to defend and support you positions - that's it!

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Name: Last Visible Dog to Zippy

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Zippy the Wonder Slug [ Most Honored Guest ]…thank you so much for the interesting [anti-Republican and slanderous toward Conservatives] links you provide us on this forum.

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Message: Glad you alerted us to the fact that it was not you screwing up this forum. You read my mind. You were the first one I thought of because we were deleting your argumentative messages. Whew! I'm relieved it's not you :-)

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You were the first one I thought of because we were deleting your argumentative messages

See, I wouldn’t do HTML sabotage – I am more into wondering around peoples houses late and night and tipping on their windows (often with a hay baling hook). Editors, what was your address again?

Just kidding...

Or was I...

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BTW - argumentative is your opinion

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Clinton’s approval rating is dropping like a stone!!

In less than one month Bill Clinton’s approval rating has dropped 16 points!!!!!!!

Trust me – even I am not ready to believe that. The numbers I site are real but my conclusion can not easily be supported by the numbers – just as Clinton’s temporary bump did not mean half of what the liberals claimed. The point here is simple – this illustrates why we can not govern by the polls. Which is real – Clinton December 18 rating of 72% approval or today’s 57% approval? Have 16% of the American people changed their minds about Clinton. I don’t really know. Polls can and are manipulated – the White House did a great PR job in December and was able to get an unrealistic bump in the polls. This is why the Congress or the President can NOT govern based on polls (they are not real). Bush at one time had poll numbers (approval) near 90% (something that will only happen in Clinton’s wet dreams) – so what did that get Bush? So, you liberal followers of the polls – Pollcrats is the new name for the Democrat party (sometime referred to as the Hustler Party or the POP [Party of Porn])– I guess it is time to start jumping out of windows (or Mac’s, depending on you taste) because Clinton’s approval is dropping like a stone.

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Message: As you know from previous forums Nostradamus is never wrong. Herewith my prediction update:

Libby Dole will be president
Clinton will serve out his term
The GOP will lose both the House and the Senate
A third party will have many candidates and strong representation in Congress
The GOP will not control Congress again for many generations
Hillary Clinton will be unofficial president of the world and launch many good projects
Bill Clinton will waste no time ordering Reno to fire Starr the instant the Impeachment fiasco comes to a close.
There will be dancing in the streets around the world and around burning effigies of Kenneth Starr.
Starr will be remembered in ignominy along with McCarthy

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Message: Dear Hillary Hi my name is Candy I live in Western N,Y . I have a question consurning a family from Dothan Al. This family is falling apart for they are having money problem. Due to many medical problems,so they are unable to work. The only money that is coming into the household is the benefit that the husband recieves, but that is not very much, and the money that there children give to them and they can no longer help them for they have families of there own. you must know how degrating this must be for them . The wife has been denied S.S.I ,and has recieved a hearing to reconsider her S.S.I, but she has not recieved anything conserning there desition. It has been five years now and they still have not recieved anything from S.S.I. They are not eligable for any assistants from the welfare department in Dothan. All that i am asking is for them to look at her case again and reconsider there desition, for this family is in need of there help. Please see if you can help this family for they mean so much to me, there daughter is my best friend and this family has alot of love and i do not want them to loose that love or each other. If you need any information concerning this family please contact me . Sincerly Candy

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"As you know from previous forums Nostradamus is never wrong."

Just for fun, let's take these one at a time:

"Libby Dole will be president"

Well, I hope you got this one. But I wouldn't give you better than 8 to 5 on it.

"Clinton will serve out his term"
"The GOP will lose both the House and the Senate"

I lumped these together because they are mutually exclusive. If Clinton is not convicted then we can look forward to two more years of scandals. This guy has enough skeletons in his closet to fill every catacomb on Earth. Look forward to the real possibility of William Jefferson Clinton being the first president in history to get impeached twice. See how the party does during thatspectacle! It will never be over.

"A third party will have many candidates and strong representation in Congress"

Two words : Ross Perot.

"The GOP will not control Congress again for many generations"

We're talking fruit fly generations, right?

"Hillary Clinton will be unofficial president of the world and launch many good projects"

A) She's already thinks she is unofficial president of the world and
B) Narf!

"Bill Clinton will waste no time ordering Reno to fire Starr the instant the Impeachment fiasco comes to a close."

He won't be her boss then. Maybe he can get Al to do it for him.

"There will be dancing in the streets around the world and around burning effigies of Kenneth Starr."

Walk up to a dude in Nairobi and say "Ken Starr". I'm guessing you get a blank stare.

"Starr will be remembered in ignominy along with McCarthy"

Hey now, be nice! I think he and that Lennon dude wrote some really good songs. Lay off already. (Two bonus points for the fifty cent word though!)

All in good fun, seriously ;}

Name: Fabius to Nostradamus (Prophecies)

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Message: Libby Dole will be president **Bill Clinton will be our last President ..... If there is a new President elected, they will not be in power long.** Clinton will serve out his term **Bill Clinton will, toward the very end of his term suspend the Constitution using emergency powers for some "crisis." We will be under martial law, forced to give up our guns and he will ask the United Nations to police us. This after the coasts of the US have been nuked.** The GOP will lose both the House and the Senate **A moot point, the country will be in national emergency ..... probable nuclear attack and invasion against the US.** A third party will have many candidates and strong representation in Congress **The third party will be called the Progressives, currently 58 members (all dems) of the democratic party are proud to confess their Socialists International memberships.** The GOP will not control Congress again for many generations **Agreed, no constitutionalists will.** Hillary Clinton will be unofficial president of the world and launch many good projects **Agreed, but they will be programs enforcing the policy that she and her soon to be exhusband (after office of course)love dearly. "We love humanity, but hate people."** Bill Clinton will waste no time ordering Reno to fire Starr the instant the Impeachment fiasco comes to a close. **Or ordering the execution of Ken Starr.** There will be dancing in the streets around the world and around burning effigies of Kenneth Starr. **Similar to Bill Clinton's orgasmic hatred towards Republicans and Constitutionalists.** Starr will be remembered in ignominy along with McCarthy **Starr will be remembered as the man that, by his evidence, should have removed the first American dictator from office, before the slaughter of Americans came.** [EDITOR: Fabius - Zippy got it right. Lay off whatever stuff you are taking. There is a beautiful world out here and the future is rosy. Stop taking whatever it is that you are taking. See your shrink immediately! Who are you hanging out with to have such depressing thoughts?]

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Candy"

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I genuinely feel for your friend and her family but I feel I must make a suggestion. Forget the Government. I have far more faith in my fellow human beings. Find out if there are any charities in Dothan that can help. See what the local churches can do. The neighbors. Anyone. Trust your friends, family and neighbors in your time of need. When we pay the government a dollar to take care of people like your friend's family they get about thirty cents. When we give to any honest charity they get nearly all of it. This is one of the most frightening problems in America today. Far too many of us trust an uncaring, corrupt system to solve our problems. We must learn to trust one another again. My prayers will be with you and your friend's family. Good luck.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Fabius"

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One bit of advice dude : Lay off the NyQuil for a while. It's starting to affect you ;}

Name: Fabius to Zippy

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Message: Hey Zippy ..... Did I ever mention my NyQuil addiction? I mean I have been "clean" now for a couple months, but I don't ever remember mentioning it. Either I told you about it, you took a shot or you know me.....either way. I can no longer blame my "errant" views on NyQuil. Now my views are based on just plain research. Thanks for the concern fellow soldier in the way of right thinking.

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Message: People in Asia especially Hong Kong support the Clinton's family. We do not believe President has the opportunity to exercise his own human rights and his own privacy. And that's why he has been forced not to tell the ture story at the first place. Some American should learn how to respect public people's privacy and human rights. Also a few fortune teller forecast Mrs. Hillary Clinton will be the first lady President of USA in the very near future. People from Hong Kong wishes the Clinton's family cheer up!

Name: Fabius to Editor or Zippy

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Name: Zippy the Anti-Hacker

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Take that you Internet Terrorist Wannabe!

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Mini HTML Lesson:

"<p>" starts a new paragraph
"<br>" forces a carrage return

Name: NOSTRADAMUS to Fabius

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Message: Nostradamus is never wrong Fabius. My predictions will come true. Find out what is causing your depressing thoughts. They are generated from within yourself and not from the outside world.

Trust me Fabius, the best is yet to come. Take care of yourself so that you can enjoy it. Nostradamus' predictions are never wrong Fabius. All my predictions on these forums have been right. Not one wrong yet.

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Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug "wild-eyed radical of the right"

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Message: THE RIGHT'S EVIL EXPLAINED

By DAVID GELERNTER

EVERYONE knows that conservatives are intemperate hotheads, always shooting off their mouths to the sadness and disgust of responsible people. Take Ben Stein, for example - the actor, writer, lawyer, TV-game-show host and wild-eyed radical of the right. Stein writes a monthly column for the American Spectator. This month, he explains why the cases of President Clinton and Richard Nixon seem so enormously different. For one thing, "Nixon had the unelected media bosses strongly against him," Stein writes, "sliming him day and night; Clinton has them defending him, sliming his enemies."

Which is exactly what you would expect from a right-wing wacko. True, Washington reporters are mostly Democrats - but that doesn't bias their reporting, as we know perfectly well because they've told us so themselves. And we know also that the press has covered the Lewinsky scandal in sufficient depth to make people sick - so how could it possibly be biased against Clinton's enemies? Poor Stein is out to lunch. But let's try to understand his bizarre ravings, for clinical purposes. Maybe we can learn something about the thought processes of fanatics.

Here's a quote from a recent "news analysis" on the news (not opinion) pages of The New York Times. This must be the sort of thing Stein was thinking about when he committed his latest right-wing error:

"For years," the Times reports, "academics have complained that politicians follow polls too closely. But in fact the Republican majority of the House could vote in defiance of the national polls [to impeach the President], and take a stand approved only by conservative Republicans, not because of courage, but because their districts have been drawn to insure their re-election, with diminished turnout that leaves the diehards of either side the only dependable voters."

Here's what we learn from the Times story:

1) If you vote in defiance of national polls, ordinarily that makes you courageous. But if you are a Republican congressman, it's just the opposite. You only voted that way because you had no choice.

2) If you are a congressman and your re-election is "insured," ordinarily that makes you free to vote your conscience. But if you are a Republican congressman, ironically it is (once again) just the opposite: Guaranteed re-election makes you especially craven. This phenomenon (known to scientists as The New York Times Courage Inversion Effect, probably) is a mystery that physiologists are still trying to unravel.

3) Only "conservative Republicans" approve of impeachment. DNA test results known only to the Times prove that the five House Democrats who voted to impeach are not actual Democrats at all. They are mutant fruitflies got up in party costumes, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

4) Congressional elections are so uncompetitive that only "diehards" bother to vote. Ordinarily these civic-minded people, the "dependable voters," are exactly the ones to whom Congress ought to pay attention, if it pays attention to anybody. But if the diehard voters are Republicans, it's just the opposite; Congress ought to ignore them. Everyone knows that conservative Republicans go to the polls only for the sneaky, underhanded purpose of electing persons who agree with them.

And there you have the danger inherent in democracy: that too many irresponsible people will vote merely to impose their own personal values on this country, instead of The New York Times's values.

Despite the tricky Times logic, the main idea is clear: House Republicans are guilty of attempting to get re-elected by pleasing their supporters. You might have mistaken Henry Hyde for a man of principle; thanks to the Times, you now know better. But the president's own lawyer, Charles Ruff, calls Bill Clinton's behavior "reprehensible." Isn't it possible that one or two of the 200-plus Republicans who voted to impeach acted on principle? Or partly on principle? Not according to the Times story.

So if conservatives like Stein would just cut out the paranoid mud-slinging, maybe we could get a little bipartisan consensus in this country.

Name: Nicole DALLOZ

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Name: Last Visible Dog to Zippy the Liberal Lap-Slug

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Zippy, did you slip on the ice and fall on your head?

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Message: It was recorded on MSNBC That when Henry Hyde and his cronies walked to the US Senate they clicked their heels like Nazis. Their Mission is to repeat and repeat the story like Goebels and his cronies did till they, the American Public think they it is the truth. Heil Hitler!

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Message: till they, the American Public think they it is the truth. This is about hatred and racism. There are a lot of ugly Souther Senators with hate and racism in their hearts.

Name: Father Time

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Message: And if we continue to sit on our asses instead of peaceful demonstrations and marches, we will find a government we didn't want. Instead of being governed, we will be ruled.

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Message: The media is obstructing our freedoms.

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Message: It took House manager with their charts and everyting 1 hour each to present their case. It is evident they are out to ge President Clinton, excuse me William Jefferson Clinton.

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Message: Its about hatred and racism. Did you see the way, as quoted on MSNBC, and his cronies walked to the US Senate like Nazi Storm Troopers. The Conswervatives just like Goebels and their cronies believe if you repeat and repeat a story the American Public believe it is the truth.Heil Hitler!

Name: Editor

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Message: Trent Lott lied and lied and lied about his involvement with the white supremacist organization, but that doesn't bother you Republicans does it?

Tell me, who is the greater threat to this country, one who consistentely lies about giving speeches, writing columns, etc., for in the Council of Conservative Citizens (formerly Ku Klux Klan) or somebody who lies about sex? Which one is the greater threat to this country?

Have Republicans no judgment at all? The Council of Conservative Citizens is a terrorist organization, yet you think it's OK for Trent Lott to be involved in it and then lie about it. Where are your values? Do you really enjoy committing political suicide?

Are all Republicans racists? If not then why can't one single Republican stand up and demand that Trent Lott resign? He is in one of the most powerful politicians in our land yet not one, not one single Republican has enough integrity or courage to object.

Are we to conclude that if you scratch a Republican you find a racist underneath? Is this another illustration of Republican hypocrisy -- give lip service to racism yet support Trent Lott?

The people see your hypocrisy GOP and you will not control Congress again, because you are a danger to us all. You spent $60 million dollars to have a white supremacists try and topple the presidency?

I predict that your descendants will be embarrassed to find out that you were one of the Republican who supported Trent Lott in this purely partisan war to topple the presidency.

Name: Editors at Hillary Clinton Forum

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Message: Hey, juvenile hacker. Hacking is a serious crime. We are tracking you. Hack this site again - go to jail. You are not smart enough to avoid being caught so stop messing with this forum.

Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to Editors

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OK, if you want to get into this "racist" name-calling thing so be it.

First point: Trent Lott broke no laws. End of story.[ EDITOR: I suggest you make him sign under oath that he is not now, nor has he ever been involved in the Council of Conservative Citizens, and watch him back off. He would never sign. He prefers to manipulate you with lies. The truth will never set him free because he cannot tell the truth]

Second point: Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that Trent Lott is a racist (Though you have no proof other than he gave a speech to a racist organization). The President is a misogynist. The definition of misogynist is "One who hates women". He uses women as mere objects for the gratification of his carnal urges. He lies to them (why not, he lies to everyone), he uses them and then he discards them. And if they dare complain he sends his "Army of Personal Destruction" after them and destroys them. Is this any less evil than seeing blacks as subhuman and hating them?

The difference here is that we have proof of Bill Clinton's hatred of women. We've seen what he does to them. We have no proof of Trent Lott's racism. Do you have a copy of the speech he gave? Have you read any of the articles he wrote for their publication? Did he make any racist statements? If so please post them here and I will retract my defense of him immediately! By the way, he has since renounced the group. Has Bill Clinton renounced his evil ways? Hardly.

"The Council of Conservative Citizens is a terrorist organization..."

Proof please? If you have any, call the FBI. I'm sure they would be most interested.

"Are all Republicans racists?"

I'm a Republican and I'm not a racist, so I guess the answer is "No". This kind of question is just silly and serves no purpose. Some might even call it "hate speech".

"I predict that your descendants will be embarrassed to find out that you were one of the Republican who supported Trent Lott in this purely partisan war to topple the presidency."

I predict that your descendants will be embarrassed to find out that you were one of the Liberals who supported Bill Clinton in this purely partisan war to destroy the very basis of our system of laws.

And finally, as this article explains, both parties have ties to the Council of Conservative Citizens. As usual, there is more than enough stupidity to go around.

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"And if we continue to sit on our asses instead of peaceful demonstrations and marches, we will find a government we didn't want. Instead of being governed, we will be ruled. "

When we no longer demand that our leaders obey the law we will be ruled! This is not about a president, this is about the very basis of our society! When we no longer hold our leaders to the minimum standard of obeying the law we are guaranteed the destruction of this great nation. Bill Clinton is insignificant in comparison to the Rule of Law! We will do just fine without a lying misogynist in the White House but if we trade that loser for the Rule of Law we will surely perish as a nation!

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"The difference here is that we have proof of Bill Clinton's hatred of women"

"He uses women as mere objects for the gratification of his carnal urges""

"We have no proof of Trent Lott's racism.

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Message: WASHINGTON POST Zippy, thank you for the link. However, I am surprised that you asked me for evidence when you had already read this article, some paragraphs posted here?

"The Council of Conservative Citizens, an organization built by supporters of the segregationist White Citizens Councils, the John Birch Society and activists in the presidential campaigns of then-Alabama Gov. George C. Wallace, has developed strong political ties to the Republican Party in the South as well as to the fading conservative wing of the southern Democratic Party.

But it is two other southern politicians -- Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and Rep. Robert L. Barr (R-Ga.) -- who have brought the group its recent notoriety. Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz has attacked Barr, a member of the House Judiciary Committee, for speaking before the organization, which Dershowitz characterized as racist. Lott also has faced criticism and, like Barr, has tried to distance himself from the group. Yet there is evidence that Lott's ties to the group are far stronger than he has acknowledged.

During its 10 years of existence, the council has maintained sustained relations with Lott. Photos of Lott at the group's gatherings in Mississippi and of Lott meeting in Washington with its officials have appeared periodically in the Citizens Informer, the organization's quarterly publication. The Informer regularly publishes a column Lott writes and distributes from his Senate office.

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"My descendents will not consider lying to cover up a sexual sin "destroying the very basis of our system of laws" that's crazy. "

Yes, that would be crazy. But committing perjury and obstructing justice is not "lying to cover up a sexual sin", it's subverting the very basis of our Rule of Law.

P.S. That green color is really awful.

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Message: Zippy, just wanted you to know that almost everyone I personally knew opposed Gov. George C. Wallace, even though we were all Democrats. White supremacists are not welcome here.

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Message: In your own words, "Lay off whatever stuff you are taking. There is a beautiful world out here and the future is rosy. Stop taking whatever it is that you are taking. See your shrink immediately! Who are you hanging out with to have such depressing thoughts?" Read your own depressing reports about the KKK, which was and is REALLY owned and run by Democratic Southerners. Always has been. Are you one Editor? [EDITOR: Oh come on Fabius, you know we not Democratic Southerners. You have been on this forum long enough to know who we are and how we think. Stop taking that stuff. We worked for Civil Rights and against Wallace. ][

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"Unfortunately Zippy, you are talking about most men here."

That is patently offensive. I don't know what kind of "men" you know that view women as a piece of meat but the men I know positively do not. No real man would. Perhaps I simply keep a better class of company... [ EDITOR: I should have said "many men" and not "most men". If you are not such a man I thank God for you.]

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Message: You have continued to point in our faces and say...."but that doesn't bother any of you republicans does it?" Yet you continue to bring up that all this is is a lie about sex and then of course you go on to say that most men are mysoginists. [ I didn't say most men are "misogynists." I don't think most men hate women. In fact I think very few men hate women, but as men are naturally dominant and very much into the pecking order of things, they are often not able to overcome their own self-interest. Manipulating women into sexual submission has been a masculine trait since the beginning of time. Actually what I am seeing is that there are LESS men who act that way, much less.] .
As far as my views that are against your, "we are the world, we are the children," philosophy and that we live in a beautiful world, I cannot agree when I have to watch for predators every day of my life against my little girl.
You believe that men are inherently good where the bible states that men are inherently evil. Clearly our precedent is proof of that and EXACTLY what the founding fathers created the Constitution to prevent. He has ZERO honor and signs executive orders like he is signing baseball cards, one after another going around the Congress on purpose.

Read his executive orders if you have any guts and you will note that most of them have to do with "emergencies," the taking of personal property under these emergencies and the United Nations control of various resources of the US. These emergencies will be defined BY HIM! Now, in the same light that you ask me if Trent Lott merely speaking to a group bothers me, I ask you does it bother you that their power grabs will end the US as a sovereign power, including the mass murder of most of it's population in the coming 5 years by invited Socialist countries. Or are you honest enough to state your belief that Socialism and the coming global ethic and government are what you want? Does it bother you that 58 Democratic members of the House are professed Socialists?[ EDITORS: Fabius, lay off that stuff. This is CRAZY TALK They hate the Constitution and think it is a document of the past. Have some honesty ....... we at least have some.[ Crazy talk]

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Message: By the way, when I state my belief that all men (humanity) are inherently evil I include Republicans in that of course. It is just that I know that the views and belief systems of you democrats (socialists in sheeps clothing) [ crazy talk - lay off that stuff, Fabius] 35,000,000 babies ripped limb from limb, burned or pierced through the skull is not a Constitutionalists philosophy.....it is socialist.[ Fabius you are totally nuts]

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Yet another way to make your voice heard: http://www.senatevote.com/

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“Zippy, just wanted you to know that almost everyone I personally knew opposed Gov. George C. Wallace, even though we were all Democrats. White supremacists are not welcome here. “

Wallace was never a white supremacist (at least from all that I know) – he was (in his early years) a separatist, which means he was for the separation of the races (white schools and black schools, white neighborhoods and black neighborhoods). Separatist and supremacist are VERY difference. Farrakhan is a black separatist – the Nation of Islam is a black separatist organization.

Important Note – Wallace moderated his views in the sixties and became a governor that did a lot good for black people is Alabama. While I am not a supporter of Wallace I am a supporter of the facts. Editor – beware of your broad brush.

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Editors, The Council of Conservative Citizens is racist only in the same way the NAACP is racist. The CoCC has absolutely no connection with the KKK. The Washington Post article connects the CoCC with segregationist White Citizens Councils (segregationist another name for separatist) and the John Birch Society but not the KKK. The John Birch society is absolutely NOT a racist group in anyway (their website current features an article on the black conservative George Schuyler). The White Citizens Council does not exist any more and I believe there is not real direct association.

First – I do not agree with the CoCC. The CoCC is much like a white counter part of the NAACP. The CoCC of believes is the separation of the races – this is not illegal. The CoCC is not an anti-black organization – being pro-white is not synonymous with anti-black anymore that pro-black means anti-white. The CoCC has no connection with the KKK nor has the CoCC ever been associated with terrorism of violence of illegal activities of any kind (at least not from my research). The CoCC sees eastern (Yankee) liberals (of any race) as the enemy. The CoCC is a perfectly legal very conservative group that indorses the separation of the races and is against eastern liberals. Lott and Barr have spoken to the group in the support of conservative views – nothing to do with racism. You call Lott a lair – it looks like the Editor is the lair (or the misinformed). From my research – Lott and Barr never spoke or wrote anything that could be considered racist. The liberal racists like Dershowitz use racism and the race card in an attempt to blur the issues. Don’t fall for liberal racism!

Liberals use the word “Racist” like it is was magic – it is as if they think they can render anyone powerless by the mere utterance of the word. Th

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Editors, The Council of Conservative Citizens is racist only in the same way the NAACP is racist. The CoCC has absolutely no connection with the KKK. [EDITOR:According to the broadcast on KGO radio the disbanded KKK regrouped and many of them are founding members of the CCC. For sure Govenor Wallace was a member and I don't know what you call a racist, but I definitely would call him a racist. What does a person have to do worse than Wallace to qualify as a racist in your book?] The Washington Post article connects the CoCC with segregationist White Citizens Councils (segregationist another name for separatist) and the John Birch Society but not the KKK. The John Birch society is absolutely NOT a racist group in anyway (their website current features an article on the black conservative George Schuyler). The White Citizens Council does not exist any more and I believe there is not real direct association.

First - I do not agree with the CoCC. The CoCC is much like a white counter part of the NAACP. The CoCC of believes is the separation of the races - this is not illegal. [EDITOR: I would say it's not illegal unless you require one race to sit at the back of the bus...] The CoCC is not an anti-black organization - being pro-white is not synonymous with anti-black anymore that pro-black means anti-white. The CoCC has no connection with the KKK nor has the CoCC ever been associated with terrorism of violence of illegal activities of any kind (at least not from my research). The CoCC sees eastern (Yankee) liberals (of any race) as the enemy. The CoCC is a perfectly legal very conservative group that indorses the separation of the races [EDITOR: The problem with the separation of races is the "separationists" usually think their race is "superior" and of necessity, must be separated from the "inferior race" as with the white supremacists, the Japanese and other monolithic cultures. The other problem is that the "separationists" like the NAACP or the CoCC is that they create an "enemy" which is usually not a healthy environment.] and is against eastern liberals. Lott and Barr have spoken to the group in the support of conservative views - nothing to do with racism. You call Lott a lair - it looks like the Editor is the lair (or the misinformed). From my research - Lott and Barr never spoke or wrote anything that could be considered racist. [EDITOR: We called Trent Lott a liar because he denied being involved with that group.] The liberal racists like Dershowitz use racism and the race card in an attempt to blur the issues. [EDITOR: Could you please give us some proof of racist activity that Dershowitz has been involved in? This is important because you have made a serious accusation against this man who has demonstrated quite the opposite philosophy.]

Liberals use the word "Racist" like it is was magic - it is as if they think they can render anyone powerless by the mere utterance of the word. This is a form of racism. Non-black liberals are racists when they misuse the term racism because they are using the plight of another race from their own personal benefit. [EDITOR: Somebody has to be the watchdog and guard against the right-wing who are always chomping at their racist bits]

The Editor has repeatedly said that it is wrong to use innuendo to draw a conclusion (in the case of Clinton) but the Editor then slanders many Republicans based solely on innuendo - that is hypocrisy. Isn't it? Remember, all of the Larry Flynt data in pure innuendo - Flynt offered to pay people for information that he could use to black-mail the Republicans. The Editor also says it is wrong to look into the private lives of politicians (Clinton) but became elated and championed the sex dirt that the Democrat Sex Police and the Democrat spokesmen Larry Flynt is digging up on Republicans - that is hypocrisy, isn't it?

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Does it bother you that 58 Democratic members of the House are professed Socialists?

What supporting evidence do you have for this statement?

From my perspective modern liberals are no more than Conservatives-Lite. Gone are the liberal grandiose plans of the 30's and 60's when liberals truly leaned to the socialist side. From my perspective - if they are socialists, they must be closet socialists.

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35,000,000 babies ripped limb from limb, burned or pierced through the skull is not a Constitutionalists philosophy..... it is socialist.[ Fabius you are totally nuts]

Editors - what is nuts about that statement? < [EDITOR: LVD, you are trying to convince me that 35,000,000 babies aborted were "liberal or socialist" babies, and I know for sure that one of those babies was produced by Bob Barr!!!! I would guess that if you took a count of what political party those aborted babies belong to they would fall into the demographics of the existing numbers in both the Democratic and Republican parties. So get off your guilt-inflicting right-wing crap trying to pin this abortion suffering on Democrats, Liberals and Socialists. The Republicans are doing it too except that they are hypocrites who like to point fingers at others while they do it themselves.

Time and time again I propose methods of PREVENTION, and GUARANTEED CARE of unwanted children. You never support any of these measures, or propose any of your own. Why not. If you are so concerned about all this suffering why don't you put time and money into prevention??? Jeepers, conservatives seem to like the bliss of abortion ignorance. ]

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I heard Rush make I really good point today: Clinton and the liberals (and the editor of this forum) say oral-genital contact is never considered sex. Therefore, Clinton, the liberals, and the Editors are saying that lesbians can NEVER have sex. (never have and never will). You liberal cats have a very wacky outlook on life...

Sexual activity can be elevated to many levels, reaching all the way up the that mystical union of mind, body and spirit. Some couples can achieve such an intense degree of sexual union which continues for hours and transcends their ordinary state of being, transforming their vision and understanding of the universe. But you can't understand that , LVD, because you think it's a male being serviced by a female who gives him a blowjob, while the male gives nothing back. How sad for your wife. No wonder the Republicans are so hungry for the good stuff. They intuitely know it's out there but they can't get it because it requires more than a blowjob

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Message: The Witness Issue . . .

By Charles Krauthammer

Friday, January 15, 1999; Page A29

Rarely in the annals of double-think has a party distinguished itself as has the D emocratic Party of Bill Clinton. First they insisted that the House complete its impeachment inquiry on President Clinton by the end of 1998. Then, when the Republicans did exactly that, the Democrats claimed the House's impeachment to be illegitimate because it was passed by the lame-duck 105th, whose term expired with 1998.

Then the Democrats waxed eloquent about how House Republicans had created a travesty of impeachment by calling no firsthand witnesses and relying on Ken Starr's written record. Now the Democrats wax eloquent about how Senate Republicans would create a travesty of impeachment by calling witnesses and not relying on Ken Starr's written record.

(Of course Republicans, too, pulled off a nice little flip on the issue: no witnesses in the House, a demand for witnesses in the Senate. But at least the Republican flip carried a modicum of logic. Because the House impeaching is analogous to a grand jury indicting, the House could reasonably justify relying on the grand jury testimony already taken. The Senate trial, however, is analogous to a criminal trial. And in criminal trials, grand jury testimony is not deemed sufficient. Witnesses are called.)

It is most delightful to watch the Democrats trying to make a straight-faced argument that the Senate trial of the president of the United States must prohibit witnesses. When it is pointed out that it is customary in the United States -- as it is in Mongolia and was in Sumeria -- to call witnesses in a trial, the Democrats protest that this is not a real trial.

Of course, at the same time, Democrats level constant complaints about Republican unfairness on procedure, denying the president the right to -- pick one -- (a) due process, (b) adequate examination of the evidence against him, (c) forewarning about the trial's procedures, (d) a speedy trial. But these rights -- allegedly violated -- are the rights of a defendant in a trial, which the Democrats simultaneously deny that this is.

The denial is fatuous. The Constitution has very little to say about impeachment procedure, but it is absolutely unequivocal in calling what happens in the Senate a trial.

The idea that there is some principle involved in not calling witnesses is simply ridiculous. All this wordplay, which aspires but does not quite rise to Clintonian proportions, is in the service of fear. Even though there are not now 67 votes to convict the president, the Democrats are afraid that witnesses might yet again change the dynamic of a story whose dynamic has already changed unpredictably a h