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Dysfunctional Democracy - The Triumph of Theocracy. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 33 Bad News for the GOP - Significant loss in polls after release of the videos on the Internet. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 34 Peace Accord in the Middle East. H.RES.545 - SPONSOR: Rep Hastings, Alcee A resolution impeaching Kenneth W. Starr, Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 35 Halloween. HUGE Voter turnout expected in California. Judge orders Starr investigation. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 36 Democrats Win Big! Americans Send a Message to Republicans - Drop it! Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 37 Why the GOP lost the November 3rd Elections. Discussions on abortion. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 38 Thanksgiving. House Judiciary Committee holds impeachment hearings. Kenneth Starr in Congress. Hillary Clinton Forum Featured in THE TIMES of London Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 39 Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee recommend impeaching President Clinton. Straight party line of 21-16, setting up historic political showdown. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 40 Hillary Clinton Forum in Newsweek . Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 42 US Bombs Iraq. Bob Livingston Outed by Larry Flynn! Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 43 Bob Livingston Resigns in disgrace. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 44 Clinton Impeached on two counts by Kangaroo court. GOP Commits Political Suicide! Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 45 Clinton's Popularity Hits New High! Promises never to resign. Halts strikes on Iraq. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 47 Merry Christmas. GOP Hypcrites outed by Larry Flynn - Citizens and media begin attacking the Radical Right. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 48 Happy New Year. Larry Flynt and Tom DeLay driving GOP Agenda. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 49 Senate Impeachment Trial begins. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 50 Republicans try to smear Clinton with Danny Williams paternity suit. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 51 Senate begins Impeachment Trial. Bob Barr & Trent Lott's connection to white supremacists. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 52 Martin Luther King Day. Clinton's State of the Union Address Brilliant Success. 77% Approval rating. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 53 GOP Self Destructs. Conservatives attack their own GOP leaders.Secret meeting with Monica. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 54 GOP Self Destructs. Pat Robertson Retreats. Bob Barr disavows the CCC. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 55 GOP Self Destructs. Larry Rockefeller's Call to Republicans. Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 56 Impeachment Trial - Larry Rockefeller's call to Republicans. 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WASHINGTON, Dec. 20 — President Bill Clinton’s job approval rating reached new heights in the wake of the impeachment vote Saturday, according to the latest NBC News poll. The poll showed Clinton’s approval rating rose from 68 percent in a similar poll Tuesday to 72 percent after the House passed two articles of impeachment against him.
THE NBC POLL also found that 62 percent of the respondents said he should serve out his term — up 11 percentage points from Tuesday’s survey. The number of those who said the president should resign dropped 10 points from 44 percent to 34 percent. The poll of 510 adults had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percent. Clinton also held his own in a CBS/New York Times poll conducted Saturday. Sixty-six percent of the respondents thought it would be better for the country if Clinton did not resign, compared with 69 percent before the vote. The same 661 adults were interviewed last week before the House vote and gave almost identical answers on the question of resignation. Interviewers in the CBS/New York Times poll found that 63 percent of the respondents would prefer it if a compromise, like a censure or a fine, were worked out instead of holding a trial in the Senate. However 57 percent said they thought that the Senate would not compromise on the issue and that there would be a trial. The margin of error for the CBS/New York Times poll was plus or minus 4 percentage points. After the vote, the president and his aides said they hoped to find a “constitutional and fair” means to end his predicament short of a trial in the Senate. He also vowed not to resign, pledging to keep working “until the last hour of the last day” of his term. MSNBC..
Pushing back on GOP coup d’etat MSNBC NEWS - by Eric Alterman Dec. 19 — The crisis is finally upon us. President Clinton has been impeached. The Republicans have their victory. The term “high crimes and misdemeanors” has been degraded to include lying about sex. The most serious sanction in our constitutional system has been reduced to a weapon of partisan warfare.
"If the Republicans want to commit political suicide by pursuing the path that has destroyed their two most recent leaders, well then, that’s their right. But they cannot be allowed to drag down the republic with them."
The impeachment vote is being driven by the ascendant radical wing of the party that, under Tom DeLay’s guidance, controls its fund-raising. Those who dare to buck DeLay and his crusade risk inspiring a well-funded conservative challenger without any help from the national party. Those who vote his way have two years to try to make the country forget, or to hide behind the excuse that the impeachment vote was not designed to remove the president, but only to signal the seriousness of his crimes and let the Senate decide the matter.
."Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their Constitution." MSNBC NEWS ...MORE....
"Ousting the Hypocrites"
A superman survives in the People's House The country's most resilient hero He came to us from Arkansas A student of constitutional law Hypocrites, there have been many Still more to come from the GOP Larry Flynt will out them all If they do not fess up first A woman who's prepared to tell The Congressman she knows so well The most "Powerful 50" of the GOP She's urging him to confess But he's reluctant - naturally! Fearing what will lie ahead She's threatened or she ends up dead Her name is Cynthia Johnson A journalist in Washington DC Her email: rider@sirius.com Hypocrites are evil, there's no question I have a good suggestion That voters in 2000 do your job The GOP will rule no more No Deal for Censure - Trial Better Option For President White House officials favor a trial rather than a censure. A trial and an acquittal would spare Clinton the scathing criticism of a censure and enhance his standing while badly wounding the Republicans. A trial might be a better option because the burden of proof would be on the president’s prosecutors. TRIAL MAY BE ONLY OPTION: The White House has refused to publicly embrace any of the compromise proposals put forward by former Senate Republican Leader Bob Dole and former Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter, who have called on Clinton to admit he committed perjury. And now, as part of its tough new political and legal strategy, some officials are suggesting that compromise might not be possible. “You cannot conclude from ... these efforts that we’re going to agree to an admission to anything that the president does not believe he did,” said one legal adviser. “It may well be that a trial is the only way to resolve this issue.” Name: Paul Harvey.... News email: GOP going insane Message: I don't believe it! On Paul Harvey news this morning 12-23-98 he announced that Congress during Clinton's impeachment trial they will introduce more females that Clinton had affairs with, all of them prior to his presidency??? This can't be true??? Why on earth would Paul Harvey say such a thing? I thought the trial was about perjury and obstruction of justice, not more bimbos from his past??? Well, GOP Congress, you still don't get the message. If you want to bring up more bimbos then more Republicans will be outed. Oh boy, looks like there is going to be one heck of a "scorched bimbo" policy next year!!! On the other hand, could Paul Harvey be the mouthpiece for a threat from Congress that if Clinton does not accept censure with a stiff fine and an admission of guilt they are going to bring out more bimbos? Possibly, but they went down this road all of 1998 and now the GOP has the lowest rating ever. Do they think more of the same will eventually win??? No, it won't -- it will send the citizens of this country into such a rage we will have to lock the GOP up in an insane asylum. Name: x email: Message: Name: JEREMY email: jstien@actec.net Message: Hillary, I just wanted to say that I admire you, and all that you've done for yourself. I knew the first time I saw you and Bill together, that you were the one who was going to be leading this fine country. You did handle that whole Monica thing poorly though, you really should've acted at least a little bit disappointed in Bill. You've got to get it out of your head that Bill is still helping your situation. You can't keep trying to save his hide. He got you to where you wanted to be, he messed up (you had a feeling he would), I'm sure you knew all about Monica long before it ever came out to the public. You two probably laughed about it at the dinner table. I'm glad that you're moving on now. But you'll never be president. You're getting the idea of a female president in people's minds, which is good, but it'll never catch on in you're lifetime. your martyrdom will be appreciated in a hundred years or so. But good luck, god bless. Jeremy Stein. Ontario, Canada Name: ControlGirl email: Message: I have a hard time understanding why this is so hard to "get". Clinton is a manipulative, sleezy b*****d. He does what he wants, when he wants with regard for neither the law nor the will of the people. If I had one wish for Christmas it would be for the world to understand this simple point of view...not to make others believe it...just to understand. I am so ashamed to be an American while Clinton is in office. He has no morals, honor or values. He has been CAUGHT red-handed in one "situation" after another, but managed to squirm free time and time again reminiscent of the snake that I feel he is. I even voted for him in '92 *hanging head in shame... bearing back for the caning I deserve*. Name: Liberal morality VS Conservative morality email: A clash of morals. Message: I have a hard time understanding Conservatives. If their leaders bone more babes in Congress than anyone else that's OK. If their leaders conduct their adulterous behavior in their Congressional offices on taxpayer money, that's OK. If their leaders father children and disown them, that's OK. If these same leaders lie to their wives that's OK. If these "Christian" leaders break their vows to God that's OK, but if a Democrat does something not nearly as bad and lies only to some humans in a grand jury we should pull the whole country down, impeach him, hound him, persecute him in a six-year witch hunt and put the country through hell. Conservatives you have a very strange morality. You profess to be "Christians" yet you think lying to a grand jury is worse than lying to God, and much worse than lying to your wives and husbands. Where is this "Family Values" stuff you have been promoting? You are such insane hypocrites so obsessed with hatred that you cannot see your own sins and your own lack of morality. If you do not stop pointing fingers at our sins Larry Flynt will out the whole GOP congress for hypocrisy. Stop now while you have a chance to save yourselves. You are self-destructing before the world. You are going insane with hypocrisy, hatred and fear of breaking away from the powerful monied interests that grip you. You are the ones that should be ashamed that you are so weak you cannot live without their money. Being a minority party is not a disgrace, it's an honor if you live by your conscience. You are bought by the love of power and money, and you can't break away. You are weak and you are hypocrites, a bad combination. Name: email: Message: Ann Coulter 760 AM - David Newman talk show12/23 Ann equates the polls with horoscopes, but says that horoscopes are sometimes right. She wants polls investigated because they are a mathematical impossibility. She said that she demanded an investigation from her editor and all his calls were refused. She mentioned the Zogby poll that said hours before the election that Carol Mosley B would win and of course that poll didn't turn out to be correct. Another example was when the american people said that their #1 choise for important topics was schoolyard killings. When Time put that on their cover, it didn't sell more copies. Regarding impeachment: She always thought impeachment would be harder to get than an indictment. She talked to the fact that the only time the Senators would be able to speak at the trial would be after they have heard the evidence, they would be able to say guilty or not guilty. David asked why the WH is trying to get a censure instead of going to trial and Ann suggested they feel "Can we take the chance". Regarding the November election: caller asked What Happened? She said that she was telling everyone within ear shot not to fall for the landslide of the Republicans. The polls from February to the issuance of the Starr Report were saying that the democrats were going to retake the House. Actually, we didn't have that landslide, but the fact that the Republicans kept control was a major victory. Ann said that the Senators have to vote on the articles of impeachment and it will be very difficult to say that he didn't do what the articles say he did. They will not be voting on the fact that the articles reach the level of impeachment -- that has already been decided. Standard of proof: near preponderance(sp?) of the evidence -- not beyond a reasonable doubt. Materiality point has been somewhat overblown somewhat like beyond a reasonable doubt. It is material if it can tip the scales one way or the other. Lawyers lying on TV about that issue have muddied the water. She also said that you can perjur yourself if your intent was to mislead! Interview ended at this point. Lexington Herald-LeaderDecember 23, 1998 LOS ANGELES TIMES SYNDICATE Lexington Herald Leader In a week without precedent, in a city that has set a lot of precedents, the biggest story was Larry Flynt exposing himself as a Democrat. It says a lot about a party that makes the likes of Flynt and the impeached Bill Clinton feel at home. There was more talk last week about sin, forgiveness, reconciliation and healing than at any time since the last Billy Graham crusade in Washington about a decade ago. Unlike Graham's, this talk, which came mostly from Democrats, was phony, something like criminals denouncing a crime wave. The biggest laugh in a very sad week was the announcement of the president's ``concern,'' relayed by spokesman Joe Lockhart, that the ``politics of personal destruction must end.'' This is typical Clinton. While he sucks in millions in illegal campaign contributions, he calls for campaign finance reform. While his minions slime his enemies, he pleads for the sliming to end. Has he lost James Carville's phone number? It was Carville who proclaimed to Larry King, ``This is war.'' People with ideological and professional links to the White House are in cahoots with Larry Flynt and others to stop Clinton from having to face a political judgment day. If Clinton would pay any price and bear any burden to get himself reelected, rest assured his slime machine will go into overdrive to make sure his impeached offenses are never tried in the Senate. The rumor mill is white hot, assuring us plenty more slime is coming. Don't look for peace on earth in Washington, much less any good will toward men this Christmas season. Even former White House press secretary Mike McCurry is now saying that Bill Clinton can't be trusted. Speaking on the BBC, McCurry referred to the ``incredibly bizarre personal behavior'' of his former boss. He also called the president's actions ``reckless,'' not what one would expect of a ``rational human being.'' McCurry added that while Clinton never asked anyone directly to lie, he allowed ``the deception to go on, knowing the truth.'' That deceit extended to his sworn testimony and efforts to cover up his lies, which were at the heart of the two articles of impeachment approved by the House of Representatives. Most people know or suspect the president is guilty of a lot more than ``lying about sex'' and trying to cover it up. The feds had to settle for tax evasion to bag Al Capone. The House settled for lies and cover up in the case of Bill Clinton. Rep. Bob Livingston (R-La.) announced he will not become Speaker of the House and will resign his seat in Congress in six months because of admitted adulteries. Livingston said he hoped his decision would be an example to President Clinton. It wasn't. Clinton and other Democrats urged him not to quit. They need him to justify their doctrine of immoral equivalency. Clinton pulled out all the stops these last few days. He used his wife, a clergyman and his ample supply of slimers. He used the vice president, who called the day of impeachment ``the saddest day I have seen in our nation's capital.'' One might justifiably think that sadder days were those on which the president of the United States sexually used a 21-year-old intern in the closest thing we have to a sacred public building in our country or on which he lied about it under oath. It isn't the Congress that is responsible for division and ``hate,'' as Democrats refer to people who stand for the law and principle. It is Bill Clinton. His behavior alone has brought forth on this continent a slimed nation along with the calamitous idea that all men are created lechers and that they have evolved with certain unprincipled rights. These include a right to abuse high office, lie to the public and their duly authorized elected and judicial representatives, and a general obtuseness to high and holy things in favor of low and debauched things. The political apocalypse of the last week may be temporarily eclipsed by the holiday season, but it will come roaring back in January. The Senate had better be ready, because if it moves forward with a trial, the Clinton people -- for whom power is all that matters -- will haul out every despicable weapon at their disposal. They will attempt to destroy anyone who tries to prevent them from building their little bridge of deception, lies and arrogance to the 21st century. This was clear in the president's defiant pledge to remain in office ``to the last hour of the last day of my term.'' Name: Vince Foster email: Ghost of Christmas Past Message: Clinton dies and he goes to hell. Satan meets him there and says, "Bill we have to find a spot for you for all of eternity." So Satan takes Bill down a hall. They come to the first door and open it. Inside is Timothy McVeigh being burned at the stake. "No," Bill balks, "I can't do that for all eternity." "Fair enough," replies Satan. Satan takes Bill down the hall to a second door. Inside is Rush Limbaugh being pulled apart on The Rack. "No," Bill again balks. "I can't do that for all eternity, either." Satan takes Bill to the last door. Inside, Kenneth Starr is being held up to the wall with chains around his wrists. At his groin is Monica Lewinsky giving him a blow job. Bill smiles. "Yes!" he shouts, "that's for me." Satan walks into the room and kicks Monica and shouts, "Get up Monica and get out... Your replacement's here." Name: unknown email: unknown Message: "We've got money for wars, but no money to feed the poor." (2Pac) Name: email: Message: Name: email: Message: President to stand trial as censure offer is scorned AS always, the pendulum will swing back in President Clinton's favour. But will it swing far enough to save him this time? The national apathy that has shielded him from outrage for so long is now his foe. Americans are too busy with themselves to rally, decisively, to his defence. Polls showing 57 per cent opposed to impeachment include the faintly discernable pulse of yuppies in the suburban malls. For the Senate Republicans, the wrath of the other 43 per cent may count for more in the calculus of political risk. Besides, there is a principle at stake. People are in prison across the United States for doing exactly what their President has so obviously done. The rule of law cannot abide a double standard. Which is why it is facile to accuse the Republicans of staging a coup d'etat. They are not threatening to install one of their own in the White House. Mr Clinton's successor, should it come to that, is Vice-President Al Gore, a Democrat, and a far more committed advocate of liberal causes than the chameleon Mr Clinton. Yes, the impeachment has been a nasty, partisan, degrading spectacle, but which of the two sides is the more guilty of venal self-interest? The Democrats do not dispute the guilt of the President. In their own draft motion of censure they accepted that he had disgraced his office. Their sole defence is that his crimes fall short of "high crimes". Many of the same Democrats who voted in the past to impeach judges for a single offence of perjury, voted this time to absolve the President, who appoints all federal prosecutors and judges, of the systematic obstruction of a civil lawsuit, as well as perjury. Let me clarify this, in case anybody is still under the misapprehension that Mr Clinton is being impeached for conducting an affair with Monica Lewinsky, or lying about adultery. If that were the case, one could indeed argue that "sexual McCarthyism" had run rampant. But it is not the case. Mr Clinton is in trouble for conspiring to prevent a young woman, Paula Jones, from establishing in court that she had been summoned from her place of work by the Arkansas state police and escorted like a slave-girl to the hotel chambers of then Governor Clinton, where she was expected to satisfy his droit de seigneur. The DNA on Monica's dress was merely the building block in establishing this conspiracy. Mr Clinton was impeached for abusing his power in an attempt to cover up a former abuse of power. I can understand the bitter feelings of those who argue that Mr Clinton's enemies took advantage of the legal system to set a trap, although I would have more sympathy if they, and their network of well-funded foundations, had not used the law so masterfully themselves in advancing the Left-Liberal agenda. Still, toppling a President is escalating this form of political warfare to a new level. Their complaint deserves to be taken seriously. I would accept that it was the express intent of Paula Jones, and even more so of her husband Steve, to use her 1994 sexual harassment lawsuit to inflict political damage on the Clinton presidency. But I also think that she was perfectly justified in doing so. Mr Clinton's treatment of her was not just boorish, it bordered on the mentally deranged. As she told me: "People have got to know what he did to me." When the press refused to publish her account, she resorted to a lawsuit as the only means of forcing it into public consciousness. I can also see why people in Britain think that the Independent Counsel, Kenneth Starr, is a rogue inquisitor, especially if they rely on television for their news coverage. It is said that after four years of poking around in every nook and cranny of the Clintons' past life, Mr Starr was forced to concede that there was no evidence of wrongdoing in the original Whitewater affair. Well, not exactly. The Statute of Limitations on the worst allegations of bribery have already passed, so the offences cannot be prosecuted. Witness one in the Whitewater/Madison Guaranty bank fraud investigation, Vincent Foster, was found dead in a Virginia park with an untraced revolver in his hand. Witness two, Jim McDougal, died in prison earlier this year, in solitary confinement, without access to his medication. Witness three, Susan McDougal, chose to go to prison on contempt charges rather than answer factual questions about Mr Clinton's alleged role in a $300,000 scam. I would never suggest, of course, that silence is what kept her alive. Witness four, Webster Hubbell, violated his criminal plea agreement, received hundreds of thousands of dollars in hush money, and has now been re-indicted. Despite "omerta" and perishable witnesses, the Whitewater investigation is still going on. I do not know how it will end, but Hillary Clinton is most assuredly in the cross-hairs right now. My gripe against Kenneth Starr is that he is not inquisitorial enough. He has failed to pursue the Clintons for their worst sins, namely the misuse of the FBI and the corruption of the US Justice Department. Perhaps this is because he is himself a creature of the Justice Department, where he served as chief of staff. Instinctively, he has avoided confronting the institutional power of the FBI. In the death investigation of Vincent Foster, he refused to proceed when his own prosecutor, Miguel Rodriguez, told him that he had uncovered evidence of an FBI cover-up. Rodriguez resigned in protest, suspecting strongly that Foster was murdered. The case was shut down. Mr Starr also botched the investigation into the White House's illicit use of confidential FBI files on 900 Republican opponents. He used FBI agents to probe misconduct involving the FBI itself. Needless to say, they came up empty handed. A civil suit on behalf of the victims has since uncovered evidence that the purloined files were part of a campaign of political espionage ordered by Hillary Clinton herself. The dirt in the files, including raw data on congressional leaders, was fed into computers. Presumably it was later used for blackmail, or fed to media surrogates for the systematic smearing of Republicans. But if Starr flinched, preferring to eliminate Mr Clinton with the Lewinsky rifle shot, Congress made its judgment on a broader basis. Saturday's impeachment vote was a rebuke of Mr Clinton's "Want of Virtue" in all its facets: Filegate, the misuse of the Internal Revenue Service, the Dixie Mafia ties from Arkansas, the sale of restricted technology to the Chinese in exchange for campaign funds, and on and on. The passion and vitriol of this impeachment are inexplicable, unless you understand the Republican belief that Mr Clinton is corrupting the whole US government. Open suspicion in Washington that he bombed Iraq in order to save his own skin has brought home the point - perhaps more dramatically than impeachment itself - that his credibility is beyond repair. He has poisoned the Middle East policy of the West, and he will likely poison everything he touches from now on. The Senate will have to take this into account at trial. The Democrats have the blocking minority required to save Mr Clinton, but the upper chamber is a prickly place. Elders on both sides of the aisle are almost preening in their sense of institutional self-worth, and the tribal loyalties of party count for little. The Senate will look to the interests of the country, as it usually has through history, and that bodes ill for President Clinton. Name: email: Message: GOP sees Senate trial as boost for 2000 race THE WASHINGTON TIMES12/23/98 By Ralph Z. Hallow The Republican impeachment drive against a president soaring in public opinion polls may prove to be good politics in the 2000 elections. In fact, there may be serious political consequences for the GOP if Senate Republicans give in to White House pleas to let President Clinton avoid trial and have a censure vote instead. "There would have been hell to pay," said GOP pollster Fred Steeper, if Republicans in Congress "had taken a walk" on the perjury and obstruction charges against Mr. Clinton. Allowing the president to sweep such serious accusations under the rug would have been far worse than George Bush's "read my lips" in alienating grass-roots Republican voters, Mr. Steeper said. Despite the GOP's disappointing showing in the Nov. 3 midterm elections and post-impeachment polls showing a boost in support for Mr. Clinton, the Senate should still hold the impeachment trial, Republican strategist Frank Luntz said. "Senate Republicans are saying, 'We've already paid the political price. The worst thing to do now is to sell out our political principles,'" Mr. Luntz said. To short-circuit the process by using censure to avoid a Senate trial for Mr. Clinton -- as the White House has asked -- would be to repudiate the impeachment that most House Republicans and a handful of Democrats approved, Mr. Luntz said. "We'll be judged wrong ethically and politically," he said. Mr. Steeper said he sees no negative consequences in 2000 if the Senate Republicans go ahead with a trial for Mr. Clinton and an up-or-down vote on conviction. By Election Day 2000, the GOP's presidential candidate will define the party, he said. The Republican push for a Senate trial makes sense politically, said independent pollster John Zogby. "Actually, the Republicans are following the best strategy for them today," Mr. Zogby said. "They're framing it as: 'What do you want to teach your children, that it's OK to lie in a court of law?'" And to the extent conservatives dominate the GOP's core voters, polls show strong Republican support for a Senate trial. A CBS-New York Times post-impeachment poll found that 84 percent of conservative Republicans approved of the House's having impeached Mr. Clinton, 68 percent said he should go to trial in the Senate, and the same percentage said he should be removed from office. Only 21 percent of conservative Republicans said it would be better for the country if Mr. Clinton completes his term. Mr. Steeper said the "biggest irony is, I don't think the American public cares much one way or the other. It has nothing to do with people's day-to-day problems. The federal government is becoming marginalized. The impeachment and removal of the president has very little consequence in people's lives." Analysts said that what is missing from the polls is any measure of the intensity of public sentiment on the issue -- which they say is almost nonexistent. "Nothing that the Republicans have done or are doing is creating an uproar, not in the stock market, not in consumer spending," Mr. Zogby said. "We just had a president impeached, and nobody's talking about it or thinking about it," Mr. Zogby said. "A large percentage aren't saying, 'Leave him alone.' They aren't paying attention, and they sure did during Watergate. Everybody was talking about Clarence Thomas." Mr. Zogby added: "I'll stake my reputation on this. If on Thursday [Mr. Clinton] were to resign or be removed, people would watch TV on Friday morning and say, 'The president is gone. I've got to get the kids to school on time.'" Independent pollster Scott Rasmussen said he thinks the conventional wisdom about Mr. Clinton's record-high job approval ratings is wrong. His post-impeachment poll of 1,000 adults found that 61 percent think the president "deserves" to be removed from office -- but only 37 percent actually want the Senate to take that step. "It's not that people like him or what he did regarding the scandals and cover-up but that they fear losing him," he says, adding that "only 14 percent see him as a good role model." Finally, a little political common-sense in the Senate. Name: email: Message: Bipartisan support shown in the House The Cincinnati EnquirerDecember 23, 1998 Bruce Gudenkauf (aka ohiolawyer) An analysis of the votes on House Resolution 611 refutes the Democrats' claim that the Republicans are being partisan and that impeachment does not have bipartisan support. The first article and the third article of H. Res. 611 were adopted. On the first article, five Democrats voted for impeachment and 200 voted against. On the third article, five Democrats voted for impeachment and 199 voted against. Only the first article was agreed to by enough votes that the five Democrat votes for impeachment were not needed to adopt it. The five Democrat votes for impeachment were needed to adopt the third article, because 12 Republicans voted against the third article. If the five Democrats who voted for impeachment had all voted against the third article, it would have failed by a vote of 216 Yeas to 217 Nays. Accordingly, the third article was only adopted because it had bipartisan support. Likewise, the second article and the fourth article of H. Res. 611 were voted down by a bipartisan vote. 200 Democrats voted against the second article and 203 Democrats voted against the fourth article. Even if all 205 Democrats who were present had voted against the second article and the fourth article, they both would have been adopted if at least 11 Republicans had not also voted against them. Accordingly, the second article and the fourth article were defeated only because 28 Republicans voted against the second article and 81 Republicans voted against the fourth. In summary, only one of the four votes was a partisan victory for the Republicans, the adoption of the first article. The adoption of the third article and the defeat of the second article and the fourth article were all the results of bipartisan votes. ....YES...and white is black...poor deluded conservatives. Name: Last Visible Dog email: Message: If anybody is looking for some holiday entertainment - look not further: LARRY FLYNT AND JERRY FALWELL LIVE TOGETHER ON AMERICA'S VOICE Washington, DC, December 23, 1998 - Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt and Dr. Jerry Falwell, chancellor of Liberty University, will be guests on "Take Action America" tonight at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time on the America's Voice television network. I will add no editorial comments...what could I possible add to that? -LVYD Name: email: Message: Clinton as Jesus Newsday December 21, 1998 Diane McWhorter Clinton as Jesus, Republicans as Sadducees Bill Clinton, obviously, is no Jesus Christ. . . . But indulge me in a political parable. A besieged conservative establishment that claims absolute custodianship; of a nation's laws furiously defends its dwindling power base against a charismatic upstart from the sticks. Showing a certain blithe contempt for those laws, the new guy challenges the whole concept of what that nation is. Where his opponents have thrived on division and exclusion, he lays hands on just about everyone, rich and poor, sinners and saints, hipsters and squares, red and yellow, black and white, even women. In return, the reward him with a mysteriously enduring faith. . . . These right-wing Republicans are like the Sadducees of the Jewish nation, the reactionary vested interests who carried out their narrow agenda through a strict interpretation of Jewish law--a code in which God's law was inseparable from the nation's law. The Republican's impeachment mantra--"the rule of law "--ostensibly referred to the Constitution. But their conflation of American law and the absolutist word of a fundamentalist's God was made sensationally clear on Saturday, when Speaker-elect Robert Livingston stood in the well of the House and declared himself a sinner, urging his fellow adulterer in the White House to follow his example in abdicating his post. . . . Clinton's arch-enemies, meanwhile, flog the pieties of their "born again" doctrine, even as their most obvious secular icon is the country's corporate grim reaper, the tobacco industry. Theirs is a static vision of humankind as debased and shameful, condemned before a punitive God. . . . That is Clinton's other blasphemy in the eyes of his enemies. By disgracing the sacrosanct office of the presidency, he also demystified the patriarchy that has run the country for its share of the closing millennium. Name: Spartacus email: Message: Since the Sadducees were the ruling class of the Judea of Jesus' time, providing most of the high priests and cooperating more fully with the Roman government than any other class of Jews of the time, the analogy falls apart in its very first line. If the Republicans were modern Sadducees, their first inclination would be to cooperate with and prop up Clinton, rather than to try to destroy him! And even if McWhorter MEANT to say Pharisees, rather than Sadducees, even that doesn't work, since the Pharisees had no interest in government, many of them actually supported Jesus (some modern scholarship is convinced Jesus himself was a Pharisee), and those who were anti-Jesus were so because they believed he was a walking blasphemy, not because of his thoughts or actions concerning government. Clinton's supporters speak not only from blindness, but also from ignorance. Name: email: Message: Name: Spartacus email: Message: A reading from the 3rd book of Hillary 27 9-14 ...then he took the pizza, sliced it. Gave it to his Democrap supporters and said, "Take this all of you and eat it. For this is the crust of my legacy, and it is cheese. Eat this and get a censure for me!" When they were finished, he took his mia culpa, gave thanks and said to "Take this all of you and choke it down. For this is my apology. an apology where I'll never say I'm sorry or that I lied. Do this and then censure me!" Name: JESUS email: Message: NONE ARE SO DEAF AS THOSE WHO DO NOT HEAR. Name: Witch Hazel email: witches@brooms.com Message: To all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And Happy Holidays to all our non-Christian citizens of the United States! May the new year bring us harmony and peace and goodwill towards all men and women. Let's reflect on the meaning of Christmas and look into our hearts to forgive and forget and move on towards something more meaningful than the Presidential plight. Those of us who like Bill Clinton despite his flaws will never be persuaded that what the GOP and the Christian Coalition has done is right. Those of us who hate Clinton with an unreasonable, withering hatred, will never be convinced that he is fit to lead. So let's declare a truce. Let the Senate hold the trial but make it as dignified as possible. Let the people's voices be heard that they really don't want to lose this president because he HAS been good for the country and the economy. Let Hillary Clinton be rewared in this life and the next for being a splendid person, a strong leader, a good role model for all women and for being a candidate for PRESIDENT IN 2000! That's my prayer for the season. What's yours? Name: email: Message: Can't GOP men believe that women WANT to have sex with Clinton? Get over it, Republicans. The man's sexy. Name: Housewife/Professional email: a_moreta@hotmail.com Message: Hilary, If I may call you? You have earned your tittle as Lady of the White House. I admire you for your ability to handle yourself, your family and your husband. Mr. Clinton is the President of the United Satates of America and I respect him but you have taken everything a step further. Sex is secondary!! Abilities and accurances is first. I admire you for standing your husband and showing the world that their is more to life than sex. Understanding love and comprehension between a couple is what really matters. I know that it must hurt what he did even though men do not mean to be in those situations but us women do tend to push them into doing what many times they do not even want to by attacking their ego, but those are men as we know. I am not a femenist I am only a mother, a wife, a friend,a daughter and a professional. When you think about it how did men ever get to rule when many times they think with their ....instead with their heads. I hope you are laughing at this point because I am. Mr. Clinton has done alot for us Americans and I hope that he continues until it is time for him to leave office. After I hope that you run for office You have my vote. Name: Daisey chains email: Message: I like to dream about being house wife to Hillary Clinton. Name: c harvey email: charvey@shaw.wave.ca Message: Hillary: We think you're the tops. As we women sit around with the guys in kitchen (it's a boy/girl party), we can't imagine how you're going to win in this situation. When this began we thought dump the guy, pack his bags, and run for office - hell we all know that you're the brains behind the whole operation. But now, we are thinking you must have a plan. Let us in. Or are you really a Mother Tereasa type. Anyway, whatever, it's really none of our business although it is on tv every night. Merry Christmas, and good luck with whatever you do, you must be wiser than me, because I'd be hanging from a rafter right now. Name: FDR's Ghost email: Message: Why doesn't it surprise me that members of the right have nothing better to do than post a message on a Hillary Clinton website. No wonder why most people think of Republicans as geeks and hypocrites. Why not find a nice tribute site to Rush or the Old Gipper(Reagan). Don't you people have lives of any sort or are politics your only release from your mundane existance? Before someone claims that Democrats are the geeks, hypocrites, and obsessed ones please look at and really listen to Bob Barr, Mark Levine, Michael Reagan, Bob Dornan, Julianne Goldberg, and Tom Delay concerning subjects other than Clinton. If they speak for a majority of Americans, I guess America has become a very acrimonious country with a great deal of malice towards many, not just the president. Merry X-MAS Hillary and other Democrats; I hope this mess is over someday soon. Name: David A. Hanson email: jisena@gte. net Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very proud of our President, and I am especially proud of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, you have the right plan to stay strong, and continue in your good work. You can always know how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think it is an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Do you think Vice President AL Gore would mind staying as our Vice President? In any case, I would have to give you my vote. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and ever well wisher, Jayasena das. Name: David A. Hanson email: jisena@gte.net Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very grateful and proud of our President. And I am especially proud and grateful of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, your plan to stay strong, and continue in your invaluble, good work is the right course. You can always judge how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think that would be an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Would Vice President Al Gore keep his present post? I would have to give you my vote in any case. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and well wisher, Jayasena das. Name: BART email: Message: THERE IS A SAN FRANCISCO RAG CALLED "THE ORGANIZER". AT LEAST THEIR EDITORS IDENTIFY RHEM SELVES AS SOCIALIST. THE EDITORS OF THIS SITE HVE NEVER PROVIDED THE READERS OF THIS FORUM WITH THE PROPER CREDENTIALS. THEY NEVER WILL. THEIR IDENTITY WILL TURN MOST VISITERS AWAY. THEY ARE WOULD BE THOUGHT REFORMISTS AND SOCIAL ENGINEERS, THEY THINK. Why don't you read the publicity sometime. Name: Editors to LVD email: Message: We have deleted your messages because you cannot control your language. We have told you this time and time again but you do not get the message. You have a right to express your opinion but you do not have a right to abuse us. As we have said before we are not your spitoon. It's unfortunate that you have so little command over the English language that you cannot write a respectful message. Every other word you write is "morons, idiots, evil, hypocrites, stupid, etc" We just cannot have that low-life, ill-bred language on this forum. Can't you state your case without personal abuse? What level of society do you mix with? Name: abc email: abc@internet Message: To: KIM RICHARD NIXON LIED ABOUT CHEATING AMERICAN PEOPLE BILL CLINTON LIED ABOUT HIS PRIVATE MARTTER(A COMMON MISTAKE). WHICH ONE IS HEAVIER AND WORTH TO BE PUNISHED? AND DON'T TELL ME THAT YOU ARE A PERFECT PERSON EVER! SO, DON'T TEACH YOUR SON A PERFECT LESSON, SOME DAY HE WILL LAUGH AT YOU! WE ARE HUMAN BEING AND LAWS ARE ALSO MADE BY US! Name: Jay R. Marshall email: Message: With "friends" like former presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerals Ford, who needs enemies like Trent Lott and Bob Barr? The latest "ex-prez" proposal would censure President Clinton but require him to "acknowledge" perjury. Hithertofore, only totalitarian countries compel the accused in political trials to confess falsely. President Clinton believes (rightly) that he did not lie; and he is entitled to the presumption of his innocence. Ironically, they are asking him to lie about lying to save his presidency. Furthermore, the calculated vagueness of Article 1 boscures the precise "lies" to which he should confess. The commonest of criminals is provided a bill of particulars. Is Clinton supposed to make a generic statement, "I lied", and let us debate into the millennium what he lied about? In all these matters, President Clinton is entitled to due process; and his is long overdue. Name: William J. Michael email: Cupertino, California Message: In praising the sacrifice of Representative Bob Livingston let me point out one basic fact: Without having so much as admitted to a misdemeanor, the speaker-elect let himself be run out of Washington by Larry Flynt. Now, with all due respect to Mr. Livingston's moral principles, someone who lives by a standard so rigid that it effectively permits the leadership of the U.S. House of Representatives to be manipulated by Hustler magazine is not the kind of role model I want my president to follow! Name: Outraged Parent: What my children have learned email: Hypocrites, hypocrites and more hypocrites Message: My children have learned that it's OK to cheat on your wife if you are a Republican, but not if you are a Democrat. They have also learned that Republicans believe that lying under oath to human beings is a worse sin than lying under a greater oath -- the marriage vows taken in God's name, or lying to ones wife or husband. Lies to ones spouse which undermines the marriage and "family values" is not as bad as lying to a grand jury. Is it any wonder that Generation "X" does not vote. Congress is full of hypocrites. Name: OUTRAGED in Seattle email: Message: Clinton must be punished. We cannot let a raping, lying, cheating, felonious perjurer get away with a lifetime of crime. We must make an example out of him for the sake of our children. Our children must know that a six year witch hunt is not a sufficient punishment for a man that cheats on his wife and then lies about it. The ultimate capitol punishment is called for, we will stand for nothing less. Capitol punishment for a president is impeachment. We Republican Christians, keepers of the nation's morality, do hereby declare that we will fight to the end to set an example for our children, the nation and to God. The scumbag pot-smoking philanderer-in-chief, liar, cheat, rapist, will pay for his crimes. We Republicans have secret information on hundreds of women he has raped and abused. A picture of Clinton exposing his bent dick to three voluptuous naked interns in the Oval Office will soon be published in the Weekly Standard. All will come out at the trial. Name: Amanda Best email: athena1103 Message: Dear Mrs. Clinton: I would like to ask you a question. How do you lay your head down on your pillow at night next to a man whom you know has had numerous affairs with other women? I have greatly admired the fact that you have, as a woman, climbed the political ladder all the way to the top and on your way have done great things for education and health care reform, but I cannot figure out why you would support a husband who has had numerous affairs, including one with a person young enough to be his daughter! The message that you are sending out to me and all the other women in this country is: "The only reason I am supporting my husband is so that I won't loose my political power. Nevermind the fact that he has had numerous affairs with dozens of women, I like the position of power that I am in and I intend to keep it no matter what it takes." I will only hope that one day you will wake-up and realize that you deserve someone a lot better and who will not disgrace your name and all that you have accomplished. Thanks, Amanda Name: Bart email: To Editors Message: Those are your opinions. Thank you very much any way. The reading public need to read more regarding your views. Glad you found the courage to 'come out', even though it was just a meager attempt. Please do not deleate your message. Name: David A. Hanson email: jisena@gte.net Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very grateful and proud of our President. And I am especially proud and grateful of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, your plan to stay strong, and continue in your invaluble, good work is the right course. You can always judge how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think that would be an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Would Vice President Al Gore keep his present post? I would have to give you my vote in any case. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and well wisher, Jayasena das. Name: Bugs Bunny email: Message: Hi Everybody. Why can't everyone be nice to one another, its Christmas, not Halloween. LOL So, Merry Xmas everyone and you too LVD bless your little heart and SFLiberals may the holidays be kind to you all. If you're nice Santa will visit your house tonite. LoL. Name: David A. Hanson email: Megalo@lcc.net Message: Meet me in St.LouieA St.Louie Name: David A. Hanson email: jisena@gte.net Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very grateful and proud of our President. And I am especially proud and grateful of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, your plan to stay strong, and continue in your invaluble, good work is the right course. You can always judge how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think that would be an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Would Vice President Al Gore keep his present post? I would have to give you my vote in any case. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and well wisher, Jayasena das. Name: Editors and SFLiberals to All email: Message: Merry Christmas to you too Bugs, and everyone else who has participated in this forum all these years. As you can see by some of the publicity on www.hillary.org, we have become internationally famous at no cost at all! We have been interviewed and invitations extended by other media as well as those listed. This is all quite remarkable since we don't have advertisers, nor do we get money from anyone, although we're hoping someday somebody will fund us to improve this forum. We have lots of ideas. What we have found on this forum over time is that even though we fight with others who have opposite views, we also express love for one another occasionally, and that is an interesting and beautiful result on such a simple forum. If only we could duplicate it and make it happen everywhere. Have a very Merry Christmas. We look forward to many more arguments, fights, breaking news and revelations in the pursuit of truth. We love you all. Name: Mrs Doubtfire email: Message: LVD This has nothing to do with politics. What do you think of women who have been Married and divorced and have kids, wearing a WHITE BRIDAL GOWN and actually having the kids in the wedding ceremony. Name: Saddam Hussein email: Saddam@IraqRules.gov Message: Greetings American Warlords! Saddam wishes American people Merry Ramadan. Saddam and the Iraqi people generously sending imperialist captor Bill Clinton one of Saddam's favorite goats. Mr. President: Goat always ready, always gracious, always very very good. If goat talk to Secret Service or press, then you Bar-B-Q goat and send it to your Al Gore for lunch. This is what Saddam does to mistresses who get out of line. By the way, I lose photographs of Saddam with American Loooooooveboat Christiane Amanpour. If you find them, have David Kendall send them back. It will do your Mr. Kendall good to see photographs, sort of like spending night with Monica AND My Goat. Ah! Heaven! Name: American Warlords to Saddam Hussein email: Message: Merry Ramadan to you too Saddam. We are honored that you paid us this visit tonight, so late on Christmas Eve as it quietly merges into the most holy of seasons for both of us. Photos of Christiane Amanpour, your American loveboat, are on their way to you, with regards from imperialist captor, Bill. He told me to tell you it never crossed his mind about your scapegoat idea, but that could work! Your strategies definitely have survival value so this may be just the ticket. Thank you for your suggestion. American Warlords Name: Mary Herzig email: MHE7301502@aol.com Message: Wishes you and your family a Merry Christmas and Mr. Starr a not so good one. Name: Democrats & Republicans Greatest Fear! email: Non_apllicable@na.com Message: Name: email: Message: Maybe I'm stupid but I don't get that "Democrats & Republican Greatest Fear" image above. Could somebody explain. Name: FROM TIME MAGAZINE December 28, 1998 email: by Richard Lacayo Message: Where the Right went Wrong In backing Starr's witch hunt, conservatives fell in love with Big Government Excerpts from Time Magazine article by Richard Lacayo How did conservatives, who used to boast that they were at one with ordinary Americans, get it so wrong? The answer begins with the end of the cold war, when the collapse of the Soviet Union gave them the opportunity to focus on the culture wars at home. Optimistic libertarians, the kind who believe that free choice is good and that free markets foster it, are stillto be found in the Republican Party. But the more influential voices on the right these days are bleaker. They see America becoming a cesspit of promiscuity..... For them, government interference with private economic behavior remains a bad thing, but regulation of other kinds of private behavior, chiefly meaning sex, issomething America needs more of. This is the line of thought represented most famously by Robert Bork in his 1996 best seller, Slouching Towards Gomorrah. Bork warns that America is in the grip of a radical individualism that recognizes no limit to the right of personal gratification, one for which the pleasure principle is the only principle that counts.... ..conservatives find themselves entertaining the thought that we have all become so heedless and self-regarding that we can no longer be relied upon to make moral judgments. This summer James Dobson, the Christian radio broadcaster, was all but calling for a new American people to replace the defective present model. Before the Clinton-Lewinsky-Starr thing is over, it will have pushed conservatism into an oddball neo-Platonism, one that envisions an ideal "American pe Name: email: Message: BAD NEWS FOR THE GOP Angry Voters Quitting The GOP San Francisco Chronicle, Friday December 25, 1998 WASHINGTON - In a small but telling sign of the political fallout from the House impeachment vote, a handful of local election officials in the San Francisco Bay Area and other parts of the country say a surprising number of people have officially changed their party registration from Republican to Democrat. Name: email: Message: X X X X X REPORT: WHITE HOUSE FIGHT; SECRET SERVICE PULLS FURIOUS FIRST LADY OFF PRESIDENT THU DEC 24, 1998 16:08:55 UTC -- Hillary Clinton has finally snapped! The NATIONAL ENQUIRER is set to report in its January 5, 1999 edition: The First Lady has physically attacked the President, hitting him so hard she left a visible mark on his face -- and Secret Service agents had to separate them. The DRUDGE REPORT trusts the account to be accurate and non-libelous because the NATIONAL ENQUIRER and President Bill Clinton use the same law firm, Williams & Connolly! In fact, Clinton's private lawyer, David Kendall, has directly done work for the tabloid through the years. "Keep that bitch away from me!" Bill Clinton told one Secret Service agent. One inside source tells the ENQUIRER that the White House became a battleground after the impeachment controversy moved into overdrive. "The verbal fights between Bill and Hillary have been escalating and now the President has been physically assaulted." "Hillary just snapped. She lost it and smacked the President upside the head. He was stunned. The hit was so hard it left a visible bruise, and he put on makeup for several days to cover the red spot." The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that the ENQUIRER is planning to run the account in a Cover Page Screamer. "Secret Service agents had to physically separate them to keep the apart. Hillary went off to another room. At one point the President told an agent, 'Keep that bitch away from me. I don't want to do anything that'll get me in more trouble." The ENQUIRER reveals that just hours before the couple walked out of the Wh Name: email: Message: London Times / Hillary hits the Net and bruises Bill london times12 26 98 London Times / FROM IAN BRODIE JUST when it seemed that Bill and Hillary Clinton had suffered enough humiliation, the online Drudge Report claimed yesterday that she had struck him during a White House fight. A furious Mrs Clinton was said to have "snapped" and hit Mr Clinton so hard that she left a visible bruise on his face. Secret Service agents had to separate them, it was said. Matt Drudge has been compared to an 18th-century pamphleteer for the way he rushes unconfirmed gossip on to his website. The difference, of course, is that his message is conveyed to an audience far bigger than the habitués of a London coffee- shop. His latest revelation comes not from his own inside sources but from those of the National Enquirer, the supermarket tabloid, which he says will have a report about the fight in next week's issue. According to this account, the White House became a battleground as the impeachment controversy moved into overdrive. Verbal fights between the Clintons escalated until the President was physically assaulted. "Keep that bitch away from me!" Mr Clinton was said to have told one agent. The President was also reported to have been stunned when his wife "lost it" and smacked him. He was hit so hard that he had to put on makeup for several days to cover the red spot, according to the Enquirer, quoted by Mr Drudge. The online publisher adds that there was an "explosion" last Saturday, with Mrs Clinton doing most "screaming". Hours later, the couple walked hand in hand into the White House grounds for a rally with fellow Democrats after the impeachment vote. The White House refuses to comment on tabloid reporting or on the Drudge Report. "I won't respond to gossip and innuendo," said Amy Weiss, deputy press secretary to the President. A spokeswoman for Mrs Clinton could not be reached. There have been reports before of shouting matches between the Clintons, followed by a rapid kiss-and-make-up. In one unconfirmed episode soon after they moved into the White House, she was said to have hurled a lamp in her husband's direction. It is no secret she was seriously aggrieved by his relationship with Monica Lewinsky and let it be known that she was among those deceived by his denials. But she also says that she remains committed to her marriage. Mr Drudge said he trusted the account to be accurate because the Enquirer and Mr Clinton use the same Washington law firm, Williams and Connolly. The advent of the Web as a conduit for thrusting gossip into the public domain has caught many off guard in US politics and the mainstream media. Only last week, Dan Burton, a Republican congressman and harsh critic of Mr Clinton, was accused of sexual shenanigans by the online magazine Salon. Mr Drudge sprang to fame last January when he became the first to report Mr Clinton's liaisons with Ms Lewinsky after Newsweek held back. On the impeachment front, Daniel Moynihan, a senior Democratic senator, issued a warning yesterday that moves to oust Mr Clinton might "destabilise the Presidency". For the sake of the republic, Mr Clinton should be censured, he said. not for commercial use Name: email: Message: Goldberg File: BILL'S IDEA OF A NEWSMAGAZINE http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg.html Jonah Goldberg BILL'S IDEA OF A NEWSMAGAZINE White House spokespinner Joe Lockhart has announced it is not the President's place to call off James Carville or his Dorian Gray, Larry Flynt. Indeed, Lockhart called Hustler a "newsmagazine" until the White House press corps nearly gagged up a lung. He retracted, and called Hustler merely a "magazine." There is so much here that you can be assured of further treatment in future files. But, a cursory review of the hypocrisy is required. James Carville said on Meet the Press over the summer that he is the President's man and will do what he tells him. He was talking about who Carville would support for the Democratic nomination, but the precedent was well-elucidated that Carville did his boss's bidding in things political. During the summer, Mr. Lockhart's predecessor, Mike McMcurry (who now doubts whether Clinton is fit for office), said it was out of the President's power to stop Carville's craven and disgusting attacks on Ken Starr. Mr. Clinton, apparently, still believes this. Because even though he has, all of his life, deplored the politics of personal destruction, he can't bring himself to call on the one person HE ACTUALLY HAS INFLUENCE OVER and ask him to stop. He can make sweeping wholesale statements on national television but he can't be bothered to work retail when he might be successful. How is it not the President's place? Explain that to me! It's okay to be sanctimonious to millions, but inappropriate to make a phone call to an employee and old friend? Now, as for Larry Flynt, Hollywood and the know-nothing cultural elite made Flynt a hero in the movie The People vs. Larry Flynt. The film tapped into the prevailing notion that sexual depravity is a civil right, even though Hustler is casual about depicting rape and various other things the Left is supposed to stand against. Indeed, the one place the Christian Right and the neo-prude feminists can agree is that Hustler is disgusting. The film -- with a small role for none other than James Carville -- didn't have the guts to portray what the real magazine is like. Instead, the movie suggested that Hustler is Playboy with a more risqué sense of humor. Hustler is no Playboy, it ain't even Jugs. And Larry Flynt ain't no Hugh Heffner. The President, again, thinks it is inappropriate to disassociate himself from Hustler by condemning what its publisher is doing. So much for a brave stand against sexual McCarthyism. So much for Bill Clinton's lifelong commitment to denouncing the politics of personal destruction. Name: email: Message: For educational fair use. Arrogant Clinton cannot quit lying BY HENRY I. MILLER Pity poor Bill Clinton, impugned and finally impeached by an imaginary vast right-wing conspiracy. The same Bill Clinton who has governed by polls and focus groups instead of principle, vilified and persecuted his political opponents, destroyed personal lives and public comity at every turn, but now calls for reconciliation. After being impeached for lying under oath, as well as obstruction of justice, Clinton still can't stop revising events to suit himself, still can't stop lying, ``For six years now, I have done everything I could to bring our country together across the lines that divide us, including bringing Washington together across party lines. . . We must stop the politics of personal destruction. We must get rid of the poisonous venom of excessive partisanship, obsessive animosity and uncontrolled anger.'' That statement transcends mere lying. It is nothing less than the most profound historical revisionism. In 1992, Mr. Clinton chose a running mate widely known in the Congress for his rudeness, partisanship and extremism. After their election, Mr. Clinton looked the other way while Al Gore tried, throughout government agencies and departments, to clean out civil servants he and his staff disliked, violating the protections of the civil service regulations. Likewise, Gore's minions have muzzled and punished government employees who disagree with his views of scientific issues such as global warming. (It should be noted for the record that the vice- president lies regularly, too, but has had the good sense, or good luck, not to be caught doing it under oath.) The ``Travelgate'' scandal resulted from Hillary Clinton's insistence that the president's staff fire and then trump up federal criminal charges against employees in the White House travel office (all were later acquitted). White House staff, attorneys and friends have viciously trashed anyone who complained of unethical or illegal treatment by the president. Who can forget James Carville's unforgivable quip about Paula Jones, that when you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer-park, you never know what you'll attract. Or Carville's attempts to intimidate members of Congress, by threatening to expose their secrets. The ultimate irony is that the president's impeachment would certainly not have been possible without a Republican-controlled Congress, and that development was his own fault. What led to the Republican majority in 1994 was not the party's Contract with America (polls showed that only 17 per cent of Americans had even heard of it), but the debacle of Hillary Clinton's attempt to craft radical health care reform. (That is exactly why First Ladies are not entrusted with politically volatile projects.) I saw the ``Harry and Louise'' TV ads -- in which that average American couple explained that the Clinton proposals were expensive, intrusive, unfair and unworkable -- so often that it seemed they were my house guests. Also, Mrs. Clinton's arrogance and attempts to hatch the plan in secrecy (eventually foiled by the courts) stuck in Americans' craw. (Since then, a carefully orchestrated White House PR campaign, aided by the sympathy factor, has improved her poll ratings dramatically.) The sad facts are that Bill Clinton and his gang are the most arrogant, partisan, rancorous and ruthless politicians within living memory, and that the president continues to lie compulsively on subjects both private and public. There cannot be reconciliation while they are in power. Dr. Henry I. Miller is a senior research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and the author of ``Policy Controversy in Biotechnology: An Insider's View'' (R.G. Landes Co., 1997). His e-mail address is: miller@hoover.stanford.edu. Name: email: Message: Political fallout over impeachment vote will be minimal By Dan Schnur Sacramento Bee Dec. 21, 1998 Remarkably, the interest of the nation remained focused in other directions. But this past Saturday, shortly after the next speaker of the House of Representatives resigned because of extra-marital affairs and just before the White House hosted a pep rally for House Democrats, the president of the United States was impeached. Because the country suffers a surplus of self-appointed constitutional experts, there is no need to expend energy in this space discussing the specifics of either the impeachment or the upcoming Senate trial. Congress believes that the president lied to a grand jury, and the country agrees. The president insists that he should not resign. The country agrees, at least for the time being. Whether the electorate's inner conflicts resolve themselves, and in what manner, is anyone's guess. Political fallout, on the other hand, is what this column's all about. So a mere 23 months before the next election, the arguments over the fate of those members of Congress who voted on either side of the articles of impeachment have already begun in earnest. Critics of impeachment complain that Republicans who voted against the president did so primarily as a result of fear from a primary challenge. They warn that those members will instead be victims of a backlash from angry voters. While making their case more quietly, GOP strategists are already eyeing potentially vulnerable Democratic members as re-election targets for voting against the impeachment. Political prognosticating two years in advance is a fool's errand -- or, perhaps, a columnist's. But let it be written here today that no candidate of either party will pay a political price for his or her vote by losing a 2000 re-election campaign. The one possible exception to that forecast would be a candidate who is foolish enough to run for re-election on a campaign platform that emphasizes that vote above all others. But just as Republicans suffered in last month's midterm elections by ignoring the issues in favor of concentrating solely on the Clinton scandals, neither party can hope to benefit by emphasizing the opposition's stance on impeachment at the expense of public policy discussion. For the sake of argument, let's assume that no incumbent attempts to convince the voters that the vote on impeachment was the most relevant to his re-election prospects. The question still remains whether either party can successfully target otherwise vulnerable House members by raising the impeachment issue. Similar arguments surrounded Congress' 1991 vote in support of then-President Bush's intentions to go to war against Iraq. A number of congressional Democrats voted against U.S. intervention amid dire predictions that they would pay for those votes with their offices when facing the voters a year later. But few incumbent Democrats lost that year, and Bush, who was widely considered a shoo-in for re-election at the conclusion of the Gulf War, lost. Over the course of the subsequent 14 months, the electorate shifted its focus from foreign policy to economic policy and cast votes accordingly. Similarly, unless Clinton's Senate trial actually drags into the 2000 general election campaign, an occurrence well beyond the prediction of even the most pessimistic observers, it's difficult to see the president's potential removal from office overshadowing concerns of public policy more directly relevant to the lives of the voters. In virtually any other political environment, the preceding statement would be rightly dismissed as preposterous. But the American public, while still supportive of this president, appears to possess little loyalty for him. National polls taken before the impeachment vote showed a large, and climbing, plurality of voters extraordinarily comfortable with the idea of Clinton's resignation in order to avoid a lengthy Senate trial. Congressional leaders, rabidly supporting Bill Clinton on partisan grounds, hold little personal affection for him. And Democratic strategists have already begun to talk about the political benefits of an incumbent President Al Gore seeking re-election in 2000. All of which suggests that the voters believe there are matters of far greater importance to their lives than whether Clinton or Gore sits in the Oval Office for the next two years. The White House prepared for the impeachment vote by pointing to poll numbers opposing impeachment. So the president's advisers waited for the public outrage to rise up in support of those polls and frighten Congress into reconsideration. But with the exceptions of Alec Baldwin, Betty Friedan and Toni Morrison, the outrage never came. The voters disapproved of impeachment just as they would disapprove of any significant action that would not develop to their immediate benefit. But they didn't really care that strongly about it. And if they regarded the potential removal of a president from office so blithely as it actually moved forward, it's unlikely that they will summon a great deal of emotion on the subject two years from now. So Tom Campbell can relax. His high-tech backers have larger concerns. Likewise will be the case with U.S. Reps. Brian Bilbray, Ellen Tauscher and other would-be swing votes. They may or may not be vulnerable to re-election challenge two years from now, but the impeachment of Bill Clinton will play at best a small role in the process. Appropriately enough. Name: judy bosniadis email: jbcrs@aol.com Message: I believe Hillary could win the election in 2000 and I would campaign for her. I like the idea of Bill being first gentleman and staying at the white house for another term or two. The american people see through this ridiculos sham of the Republican Party. Let me know how I can help! Name: nadia farah email: nfarah@idirect.ca Message: To the First Lady: Keep doing what you are doing. You are in an odd position like many other women. In short, you have my admiration! Nadia Farah www.twdg.com/cooking e-mail: nfarah@idirect.ca Name: Bud email: HEY EVERYBODY Message: AMERICAN MOVIE CLASICS IS PRESENTING FRANK SINATRA IN "THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE", TONIGHT AT 6:00 PM, ON AMC (AMERICAN MOVIE CLASSICS). Name: The Glass House email: Mary Nelson Message: I'm bewildered. Why did Representative Bob Livingston resign? He didn't perjure himself. He didn't obstruct justice. Is it possible, in spite of all the vehement denials from Republicans it really is about sex? I think it is time for all congressional fornicators to take 10 steps forward, so that the remaining congresspersons without sin, if any, may cast their stones/votes. Name: ALL LIES ARE NOT EQUAL email: Maurice Englander Message: Those hypocrites arguing that all lies are equal and that the duty of a parent is to teach children not to lie, can now stop lying about Santa Claus. They can stop lying about Easter Bunnies and baby-carrying storks and cabbage patches where babies are left off by confused delivery men. Who teaches children to lie? Who else but parents who generously excuse themselves when they lie to their children and to others in front of their children. Who teaches children to lie in self defense. Enough of hypocrisy on this matter. We know that not all lies are equal. Lying about sex, event to a grand jury, is not lie to die for, politically or otherwise. If we removed all liars from Congress we wouldn't have one left. They know it, and we know it, so what's all the fuss about? Name: email: Message: GOP Must Stop Tom DeLay and Larry Flynt from Driving GOP Agenda San Francisco Chronicle 12/26/98 - EDITORIALS HOUSE REPUBLICAN Whip Tom DeLay and Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt should be ignored by the U.S. Senate when it takes up the impeachment case. Each man appears determined to drag the debate down to his own gutter level. DeLay, the Texas ideologue, is willing to discard any semblance of fairness or due process in his crusade to oust President Clinton. Flynt, the smut peddler, is trying to mix a big batch of sleaze into the public discourse under the guise of exposing congressional hypocrisy. They should both just go away. DeLay's use of this hearsay evidence against Clinton in the House makes a mockery of his sanctimonious talk about ``absolute morality'' and ``the rule of law.'' At least Flynt, who has made a fortune off misogynist trash, carries no pretense of morality. He offered $1 million for evidence of congressional adultery, and his sick trawl for dirty laundry led to the undoing of Speaker-elect Bob Livingston. Flynt contends that he must ``fight fire with fire'' to assist a president who is being railroaded by a gang of hypocrites. He claims his detectives' snooping into divorce records has even turned up evidence of a Judiciary Committee member lying under oath about sex. The whispers of Washington must not be allowed to drive the impeachment process any longer. If the case against Clinton reaches trial, the Senate proceedings should be public and most if not all aspects -- especially senators' deliberations --show it on Name: Bud email: to M Lentz Message: Mr. Lentz. Maybe you should go visit Arkansas. Arkansas is a bit more sophisticated than Washington DC. Arkansas was sophisticated enough to pass on the Bib Dummey & Red Herring Wife to our nations' capitol. The truth is that the more populated areas of America are 'Dumbing Down' at a faster than expected rate. Look at San Francisco. It is the most bigoted & prejudiced place in the nation. Those Southerners have been doing their homework. they be playing possum ............... Name: Easter Bunny email: Message: I am real Maurice. Name: Easter Bunny email: Message: President Clinton wants lifetime learning loans at low interest rates. A great thing for the everchanging economy. When is the last time the Republicans come up with a good idea for the majority of the people. Its so hard to not to sling mud but hey the Republicans are so good at it. But moral indignatious and phoney morality backfired this time haha. Name: Music for GOP's Political Suicide email: Message: The music from M*A*S*H called "Suicide is Painless" is for the GOP to commit Political Suicide. Name: email: Message: Name: Sexual Relationship email: No sex - no perjury Message: It's clear to me why the GOP are so angry. They think what Clinton and Monica did was a "sexual relationship." Poor Republicans, if that's all you guys get in your sexual relationships I feel very sorry for you. It also explains why the Republicans are so adamant about Clinton committing perjury, they honestly believe that he did! Poor Republicans, I don't want to make you feel even worse than you do now, but what Monica and Bill did is light years away from sex. Did the sexual revolution completely pass you by? I feel sorry for male Republicans, but I feel even sorrier for their poor wives who have been putting up with having to "service" their husbands instead of making love and having real sex. If that's what you call sex you have missed out on the best part of life. How sad for you. Unfortunately, because you are not getting any of the good stuff because you don't even know what it is, is no reason to take it out on the Democrats. It's never too late to learn. It's no wonder it's been reported in the news that Republicans are switching parties over to Democrat. The are disgusted with the GOP's definition of sex. Thank goodness, at least not all Republicans are willing to put up with this dumbed-down definition of sex. Name: Sex & Service email: The GOP don't know the difference Message: The GOP writhe in misery Believing that service is sex So deprived of sexuality No wonder they're so angry Even Monica said it wasn't sex So sure of themselves the GOP March forward toward their destiny "If it's not sex then it's not perjury" But this the Republicans cannot see Their own deprived mentality Name: cleo email: Message: It's unfortunate people haven't really understood what all this is about. I su suspect I know too much. Am I the only visual artist who realizes Clinton did no did not look the public in the eye during the famous newscast. Look again folks folks, he does not look at the camera, therefore not the public. In fact like all the others his eyes glaze over, as if caught in a situation he has no control over, and is enraged that he was entrapped in deceit and lies. Perhaps you all should know what's happened to me. Like Ross Perot said in in 1992, This is all "NUTS". And you know he mentioned the former President terrorized his family, well the same thing has been done to me. Name: cleo email: Message: I see, I have some typos, again . . . sorry, this is first mail sent on internet, not use to this. Perhaps a cartoonist could help Hillary out. If she knows Clinton did this, then a cartoon about her kicking him out of the House to the White House Dog house would be a way of showing us what she really feels about all this. But, first we need a Presidential Dog house on the south lawn. Since the Republicans have so much soft money from political fund raising they could provide the money for this long overdue house. But I suspect this is all about competition and the next Presidential Election. Perhaps, it's competition that has gone awry. Name: Elenanor Roosevelt email: The Liberal's Liberal Message: Franklin had a girl friend and I hear that JFK had back trouble. The President having a girl friend is almost like a tradition. Name: Easter Bunny email: Message: This New's Year eve we are having a political party. Everybody has to dress up like someone who is political. Dont't be suprised if you see two President Clintons, because he was cloned, so there is more of him to go around. Name: Easter Bunny email: Message: To RMD love my country or leave. Name: Easter Bunny email: Message: To RMD you are vicious so get lost pal. Name: Easter Bunny email: Message: And hopefully the Iraq's will overthrow their dictator or else they will be pushing up daisies. Name: Easter Bunny email: Message: The Republicans want to invest the social security monies into securities in the stock market and are the puppets of some rich and powerful people in this country. Name: Dwight S. Brass email: DBrass@aol.com Message: Dear Ms. Clinton: I wanted to express my very strong objection to any sort of plea bargain for President Clinton. Clinton is clearly innocent of anything remotely resembling "high crimes and misdemeaners", and a plea for "reduced sentence" is rediculous. If the Republicans persist in this idiotic vengence, so be it. Let them hang themselves, given enough rope. Mr Clinton was elected twice by us, and we don't want a childish congress to overturn that election. We especially don't want them to "make the best" of their foolishness either, with a desparate stab at a "piece of flesh", in the form of a plea bargain. Please demand a trial, showing the Republicans foolishness for all to see. Ms. Clinton, you can be certain that the American people respect you and your husband for what you have worked for during the past years. We support you and Mr. Clinton 100%, and are not the least bit concerned about the turmoil created entirely by the Republicans. Yours very truly, Dwight S. Brass Wisconsin Name: email: Message: If it's NOT A "SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP", then it's NOT PERJURY Women don't think it's a "sexual relationship" but many Republican men do? Monica Lewinsky did not think she had a "sexual relationship" with Clinton, and said so to Linda Tripp in one of Tripps' illegal wiretaps. None of the women I know consider what Monica and Bill did a "sexual relationship." Monica "serviced" Bill. He gave nothing in return. That's what some men, especially Republican men in the House of Representatives call sex, but women don't. It's an insult to women to equate "servicing" with sex. If that's what Republican wives must put up with for sex they are getting a very bad deal from their selfish husbands. Most women agree with Monica. She was not having a sexual relationship with Bill, she was being "used" by him. So... Conservative males, we females have got you in a Catch-22 dilemma: If you condemn Clinton for perjury you are also condemning yourselves as sexually immature selfish males, and by definition, lousy lovers. That's why you like snooping into other people's sex lives, especially the presidents, because you are trying to figure out what sex is all about. If you really knew you would not be snooping. If it's NOT A "SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP", then it's NOT PERJURY Name: Easter Bunny email: Message: Hate and more hate boy the Republicans and some of their Rush Limbaugh supporters must be here. He Rush wasnt a socialist but a Nazi who distorted f facts out of context and then sneered like some self rightess at the Democrats Rush and his bunch put themselves on a pedestal and looked down on non Conservatives or Religious Right or Non Christian Coalition screwballs and now you come on here and try again with your fascist garbage but now we are gonna get even with you hateful mean spirited people. Tell us some garbage and lies you HYPOCRITES. YOU and your bunch have been after the President since he took office You are self seeking power hungry swine. So, take that. A liberal is not a commie or a socialist fighting for social justice against bigots like the ones that come here and bash my President. Name: A pretty woman email: Message: Why does what is right or wrong moral or immoral have any thing to do with political parties. It is not something you learn from political parties. It is something we we learn from our parents. Its crazy the whole thing together with the arguments. He, the President did whatever he did, and he admitted it as a man. He did not do it because he was a democrat. Some of you are trying to use this to get the democrats. Al Capone wasnt a Democrat, it doesnt really matter. Your lifetime of crime is stupid to say. So is trying to blame one political party for the actions of one man. You are not educated people when you say that. Name: email: Message: Women want more from sex than just servicing a man in the way Monica did. Monica did not believe it was a "sexual relationship" and nor would most women. If you think that is a "sexual relationship" then I feel sorry for you. Name: JACKAL email: Message: To Easter Bunny:Get a cigar and cool yourself down!!!! Tired of your crying Love the easter egg hunter Name: SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP email: DEFINITION Message: The definition of "sexual relationship' as defined by the sexes: WOMEN: That blessed union of mind, body, soul and spirit to attain transcendence. MEN: Blowjob And therein lies the difference between women and many men. However, I am happy to say, there are some sexually mature males who strive for a transcendent union, but alas, there are not enough of them. Sexually immature males, not knowing of what they speak, ridicule the sex act as nothing more than selfish animal gratification. How sad for them. They are missing the greatest experience known to man. Name: email: Message: Mysticel Sex Kit $69 - includes tax and 2-day postage. Mystical Female Secretions & Intimate Instructions. Learn how to sustain lovemaking indefinitely. Bring about altered states of consciousness through the medium of mystical sex. Kit includes book by Louis William Meldman Ph.D, "Mystical Sex" Element Books Limited ISBN 1-85230-957-1. Dr Meldman is a clinical psychologiest with a distinguished background in the field of human sexuality. ALSO included in your mystical package you will find two six-ounce bottles of "Mystical Secretions" a mysterious, non-oily personal lubricant specially designed by a team of medical experts to mimic and enhance her most intimate secretions into transparent threads of joy for long lasting pleasure. For a "Higher Understanding of Sex" Dr. Meldman is your man. Name: Marian Monks email: GOP's Family Values Message: One positive outcome from the Clinton scandal may be that the Repubicans (and I am one) may choose to practice the family values they preach. Name: Michael A. Rhea email: Message: Looking back at one of the hardest years I've experienced in my short life, I must say that I am proud of the American people. Our own government has done everything in its power to bring us to our knees, but our will to survive and our own Constitution and rule of law will not allow it. Bravo to the people of America! The greatest democracy in the world is not in Washington, D.C., it is in the hearts of every living, breathing person across the U.S. Name: Louk Wijsen email: lwijsen@earthlink.net Message: Why does the right wing have such difficulty understanding the strong and growing support for President Clinton? It is a simple application of the old Arab principle that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." The nation does not adore the president that much, but it really hates his enemies. Name: A Scary Thought email: Message: If Jerry Falwell and Richard Mellon Scaife disapprove of the results of the next presidential election, will we have to go through this all over again? William C. Edwards, Kernersville, N.C. Name: EDITORS WANTED email: Hillary Clinton Forum Message: Part-time editors wanted for the Hillary Clinton Forum. Work from your own computer anywhere. We are looking for exciting minds who like debating political issues, and would like to see Hillary remain a powerful political figure and a leading contender for the presidency at some time in the future. You will need to have some knowledge of HTML and FTP. Apply to editors.wanted@hillary.org Name: Jean Garcia email: jgarcia@daisytek.com Message: Hillary, With all of the people that aid with your mail, I hope that your may personally be able to read this message. I can not begin to imagine what your life must be like. I must say that with all of the attention you have received, I have been continually impressed by you. I admire your ongoing confidence, intelligence, strength, dedication, compassion, and beauty. I often find myself searching for positive role models for my darling daughters, you have become a role model for me as well as someone I encourage my children to admire. You are truly a role model for the women of our world. I have never written to a politician or celebrity before. I have never before held a great deal of respect for someone I did not know personally. Hillary, I have a great deal of respect for you and your ongoing accomplishments. If ever the opportunity was available, it would be a great honor to meet you personally. My thoughts and prayers are with you daily. Jean Garcia Name: email: Message: Talk on the Matt Drudge radio program points to information soon to be released about Bill Clinton fathering (and disowning?) at least one illegitimate child while he was Governor of Arkansas…..Larry Flynt may be sniffing this one out….Matt Drudge has seen a story that he says is much larger than Monica and it will break in the next 2 weeks – speculators say it may either be new evidence that Clinton rapped a woman while Arkansas Attorney General (Starr report Jane Doe #5 who received immunity) or evidence of Clinton’s many illegitimate children...developing but still in the rumor stage... Name: Mark Quintanilla email: Bacardiboi@aol.com Message: I think Hillary Clinton is Awesome, I wish I could have a wife like that.. Hillary you're the bomb, you're smart, you're sexy, and I admire you. I just wanted to tell you that on behalf of the Rio Grande Valley here in south Texas, we support Clinton and hope he stays in office. I'm sick and tired of these Repulicans bitching and gripping about "morals and values" when more than half of them are racist biggots and treat women like dirt. I can only hope that they apologize for probing into President Clinton's life and making this whole thing a farce. The Republicans are responsible for this mockery for advertising it to the world, instead of handeling it like mature adults with moral and values that they claim to have. I also want to tell Hillary, from behalf of the Rio Grande Valley here in south Texas We LOVE YOU and hope you come back down here soon to visit us. Thank you... Name: WETBACK email: HATE.COM Message: We all love Hillary. She hates America just like we do. Name: email: Message: SONG PARODY: The Year of the Cat (or, of the Rat) Bringing Entertainment, News and Truth (BENT)12-98 Lyrics, Doug from Upland Lyrics Copyright 1998, Doug from Upland. Not for commercial use without permission of the author. NOTICE - very painfully, almost unbearably long intro On a morning from a Clancy novel In a country that is led by slime You go searching through the only source that's truthful And discover a crime You have read what's he's done and your heart beats faster Like a man who has just run a mile You need not ask him for explanations He'd just look at you and smile In the Year of the Rat (musical interlude) He'd never answer any questions 'Cause election was his only goal He was doing what it took for what he wanted He'd given up his soul In the White House rooms they were shaken down As the story is quite rightly told He took, we know, the Chinese money And my blood is running cold The Year of the Rat (musical interlude) As he bit his lip so calmly He looked straight into the camera and spoke And all the sheeple would believe him 'Cause they loved him…and easily fell for his joke The Year of the Rat (long musical interlude) When they finally realized what happened And the nation was brought to its knees As the missiles were flying there's no defenses On the weakness they would seize There were some who yelled but their voices drowned In the media of traitors, all Some feared freedom was not forever We know when began the fall In the Year of the Rat (musical interlude) The Year of the Rat (musical finish) Name: Roger Helmer email: Message: While Mr. (James) Carville sometimes seems to get a little radical, my immediate family (wife, daughter) and parents, aunts, uncles, and cousins will become more involved in politics and work to defeat those who voted to impeach President Clinton. Our family stretches from New York to Alaska and we’re not going to put up with the Republican Party anymore. We have started to organize to establish a PAC and to put into the PAC $100/month/voter (there are 102 voters) so we will be putting in around $10,000 per month. While it isn’t as large as other PACs, we will pick races where our money will help to defeat a Republican who voted for impeachment or a Democrat. We are angry as hell and not going to put up with the Republicans any longer. We support a censure of the president immediately and believe he should admit he lied, however, the admission should not be grounds for any further criminal proceedings Name: email: Message: TO THE FIRST LADY AND HER FAMILY DEAR MRS CLINTON, YOU, THE PRESIDENT, VP AL GORE, TIPPER GORE AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE BEACONS OF PEACE AND HOPE HOPEE MAY YOUR RADIANCE CONTINUE TO SHINE AND GIVE HOPE TO US ALL IN EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD WITH LOVE AND LIGHT, BETTY LAU-KHOO KININGLSEY DARWIN, AUSTRALIA PS HOPE YOUR FIGHT INCLUDES BATTLING MONSANTO AND OTHER CHEMICAL GIANANTS WHO ARE HELD BENT ON SORRY HELL BENT ON POISONSING THE WORLD WITH THEIR HERBICIDES AND GENETICALLY ALTEREED FOOD - I AM PRO AMERCIANSS BUT WILL KEEP BATTLING THE DOMINATION OF MACDONALD, COKE/PEPSI AND OTHER ICONS OF AMERICAN POP CO CULTURE Name: ANSWER TO ABOVE email: Message: YOU MIRROR OUR EVERY THOUGHT Name: Way to go girl!!! email: PhGirl7@aol.com Message: Hillary, With all the controversy these days you seem to be holding up well. I am a middle class 35 year old professional woman who would stand by her life partner in much of the way The First Lady has. Men, not by their own choose, is the weaker sex. We as a nation should rise up to show support in our choose for President, rise up, take a stand against witch hunters such as Ken Starr, who is trying to fuel his 15 minutes of fame in our society. No one can predict the outcome of the next step but, God bless you all and most of all The First Lady of the United States of America. Name: Robert email: impeach@incarcerate.com Message: The High crimes of Perjury and Obstruction of Justice will be stonewalled by the complicit criminal Democratic Party.....however...the Treason of this perverted "president" and his "presidency" will soon come into the light of day. Red Chinese espionage and Klinton criminality will be exposed while the trial is proceeding in the Senate. Ms Hillary....all your subversive activity and attempts to destroy Liberty.. will finally bear fruit at the Bar of Justice. MANY DELETED MESSAGES ABOVE.......CENSORESHIP IN America...Ms. "1st Lady"? Go Ahead...delete this one too...fits you and your "friends" in Red China. Name: email: Message: The "Year of the Rat" How appropriate! Name: Robert email: Message: LVD?...Dream on? You mean nightmare, not dream. History will eventually expose this corruption. Tell me, What did Bill Clinton do for 40 days in Moscow while I was in Vietnam? DON'T tell me he was a Tourist! Name: Robert email: Message: Charlie Trie...Johnny Chung....and The Riady Family...Why would they establish an American presence in Little Rock, Ark. could it be they had Information from Moscow on a rising idealogue politician? A little financial backing oin a small backward state? Could become Governor? Governor of any state...with the financial backing is a viable presidential candidate.....I think Billy is paying them back by creating another despotic world super power...RED CHINA......Charactor does count! Name: email: Message: Thank the good Lord for Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, Paula Jones. Where would we be without them. Now we have Juanita Broaddrick (Jane Doe #5) Al Capone was brought down by Income Tax Evasion, The Pervert in Chief will be brought down by debauchery....smile! Name: Kathleen SilverRyder email: ranch@capecod.net Message: Mrs. Clinton, I know you fight for health care issues so I am seeking your help.. Moana Kukowski was struck by a car in the summer of 95 she sustained massive head injuries. The family has exhausted its' private insurance and medicaid refuses to cover much need hyperbaric treatments. It is expected to take 200 treatments at $200 each plus transportation. The Namvets Asso of Cape and Islands and the Marine Corps League are willing to run fundraisers but don"t know where to start. Please email me and let me know what resourses we could avail ourselves to. A trust fund has been set up and Moanas' family can be reached at : John and Helen Kukowski 125 Pleasant Street Unit F Hyannis MA 02601 phone: 508-775-0603 Thank you for your time and effort in advance. Name: email: Message: Hey Hillary, Is the Drudge prediction of a huge story in the next 2 weeks about you divorcing the sexual predator or the HIV tainted Arkansas blood shipped to Canada? Then again it could be the the COX - DICKS Report on Chinese espionage with Clinton complicity? Name: Tom Cox email: Radman@zianet.com Message: I've quit trying to explain the obvious to liberals. You are backing a pervert, a criminal and a traitor to the United Staes of America. Check the military chats and see if you can find ONE SINGLE soldier, sailor, Marine or Pilot that can call the bent one Commander in Chief without puking. This blight on our country must be eradicated and SOME semblance of honor brought back to the Oval Office. This fool was elected by 37% of the 50% of eligable voters and that is HARDLY an overwhelming vote of confidence. And the biggest reason that I am sure that liberals have lost their minds is you think Hitlery is beautiful. Jeez, are you all BLIND
Hypocrites, there have been many Still more to come from the GOP Larry Flynt will out them all If they do not fess up first
A woman who's prepared to tell The Congressman she knows so well The most "Powerful 50" of the GOP She's urging him to confess But he's reluctant - naturally!
Fearing what will lie ahead She's threatened or she ends up dead Her name is Cynthia Johnson A journalist in Washington DC Her email: rider@sirius.com
Hypocrites are evil, there's no question I have a good suggestion That voters in 2000 do your job The GOP will rule no more
No Deal for Censure - Trial Better Option For President
White House officials favor a trial rather than a censure. A trial and an acquittal would spare Clinton the scathing criticism of a censure and enhance his standing while badly wounding the Republicans. A trial might be a better option because the burden of proof would be on the president’s prosecutors.
TRIAL MAY BE ONLY OPTION: The White House has refused to publicly embrace any of the compromise proposals put forward by former Senate Republican Leader Bob Dole and former Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter, who have called on Clinton to admit he committed perjury.
And now, as part of its tough new political and legal strategy, some officials are suggesting that compromise might not be possible. “You cannot conclude from ... these efforts that we’re going to agree to an admission to anything that the president does not believe he did,” said one legal adviser. “It may well be that a trial is the only way to resolve this issue.”
Name: Paul Harvey.... News
email: GOP going insane
Message: I don't believe it! On Paul Harvey news this morning 12-23-98 he announced that Congress during Clinton's impeachment trial they will introduce more females that Clinton had affairs with, all of them prior to his presidency??? This can't be true??? Why on earth would Paul Harvey say such a thing? I thought the trial was about perjury and obstruction of justice, not more bimbos from his past??? Well, GOP Congress, you still don't get the message. If you want to bring up more bimbos then more Republicans will be outed. Oh boy, looks like there is going to be one heck of a "scorched bimbo" policy next year!!! On the other hand, could Paul Harvey be the mouthpiece for a threat from Congress that if Clinton does not accept censure with a stiff fine and an admission of guilt they are going to bring out more bimbos? Possibly, but they went down this road all of 1998 and now the GOP has the lowest rating ever. Do they think more of the same will eventually win??? No, it won't -- it will send the citizens of this country into such a rage we will have to lock the GOP up in an insane asylum.
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Name: JEREMY
email: jstien@actec.net
Message: Hillary, I just wanted to say that I admire you, and all that you've done for yourself. I knew the first time I saw you and Bill together, that you were the one who was going to be leading this fine country. You did handle that whole Monica thing poorly though, you really should've acted at least a little bit disappointed in Bill. You've got to get it out of your head that Bill is still helping your situation. You can't keep trying to save his hide. He got you to where you wanted to be, he messed up (you had a feeling he would), I'm sure you knew all about Monica long before it ever came out to the public. You two probably laughed about it at the dinner table.
I'm glad that you're moving on now. But you'll never be president. You're getting the idea of a female president in people's minds, which is good, but it'll never catch on in you're lifetime. your martyrdom will be appreciated in a hundred years or so. But good luck, god bless. Jeremy Stein. Ontario, Canada
Name: ControlGirl
Message: I have a hard time understanding why this is so hard to "get". Clinton is a manipulative, sleezy b*****d. He does what he wants, when he wants with regard for neither the law nor the will of the people. If I had one wish for Christmas it would be for the world to understand this simple point of view...not to make others believe it...just to understand. I am so ashamed to be an American while Clinton is in office. He has no morals, honor or values. He has been CAUGHT red-handed in one "situation" after another, but managed to squirm free time and time again reminiscent of the snake that I feel he is. I even voted for him in '92 *hanging head in shame... bearing back for the caning I deserve*.
Name: Liberal morality VS Conservative morality
email: A clash of morals.
Message: I have a hard time understanding Conservatives. If their leaders bone more babes in Congress than anyone else that's OK. If their leaders conduct their adulterous behavior in their Congressional offices on taxpayer money, that's OK. If their leaders father children and disown them, that's OK. If these same leaders lie to their wives that's OK. If these "Christian" leaders break their vows to God that's OK, but if a Democrat does something not nearly as bad and lies only to some humans in a grand jury we should pull the whole country down, impeach him, hound him, persecute him in a six-year witch hunt and put the country through hell.
Conservatives you have a very strange morality. You profess to be "Christians" yet you think lying to a grand jury is worse than lying to God, and much worse than lying to your wives and husbands. Where is this "Family Values" stuff you have been promoting? You are such insane hypocrites so obsessed with hatred that you cannot see your own sins and your own lack of morality.
If you do not stop pointing fingers at our sins Larry Flynt will out the whole GOP congress for hypocrisy. Stop now while you have a chance to save yourselves. You are self-destructing before the world. You are going insane with hypocrisy, hatred and fear of breaking away from the powerful monied interests that grip you.
You are the ones that should be ashamed that you are so weak you cannot live without their money. Being a minority party is not a disgrace, it's an honor if you live by your conscience. You are bought by the love of power and money, and you can't break away. You are weak and you are hypocrites, a bad combination.
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Message: Ann Coulter
760 AM - David Newman talk show12/23 Ann equates the polls with horoscopes, but says that horoscopes are sometimes right. She wants polls investigated because they are a mathematical impossibility. She said that she demanded an investigation from her editor and all his calls were refused. She mentioned the Zogby poll that said hours before the election that Carol Mosley B would win and of course that poll didn't turn out to be correct. Another example was when the american people said that their #1 choise for important topics was schoolyard killings. When Time put that on their cover, it didn't sell more copies. Regarding impeachment: She always thought impeachment would be harder to get than an indictment. She talked to the fact that the only time the Senators would be able to speak at the trial would be after they have heard the evidence, they would be able to say guilty or not guilty. David asked why the WH is trying to get a censure instead of going to trial and Ann suggested they feel "Can we take the chance". Regarding the November election: caller asked What Happened? She said that she was telling everyone within ear shot not to fall for the landslide of the Republicans. The polls from February to the issuance of the Starr Report were saying that the democrats were going to retake the House. Actually, we didn't have that landslide, but the fact that the Republicans kept control was a major victory. Ann said that the Senators have to vote on the articles of impeachment and it will be very difficult to say that he didn't do what the articles say he did. They will not be voting on the fact that the articles reach the level of impeachment -- that has already been decided. Standard of proof: near preponderance(sp?) of the evidence -- not beyond a reasonable doubt. Materiality point has been somewhat overblown somewhat like beyond a reasonable doubt. It is material if it can tip the scales one way or the other. Lawyers lying on TV about that issue have muddied the water. She also said that you can perjur yourself if your intent was to mislead! Interview ended at this point. Lexington Herald-LeaderDecember 23, 1998 LOS ANGELES TIMES SYNDICATE Lexington Herald Leader In a week without precedent, in a city that has set a lot of precedents, the biggest story was Larry Flynt exposing himself as a Democrat. It says a lot about a party that makes the likes of Flynt and the impeached Bill Clinton feel at home. There was more talk last week about sin, forgiveness, reconciliation and healing than at any time since the last Billy Graham crusade in Washington about a decade ago. Unlike Graham's, this talk, which came mostly from Democrats, was phony, something like criminals denouncing a crime wave. The biggest laugh in a very sad week was the announcement of the president's ``concern,'' relayed by spokesman Joe Lockhart, that the ``politics of personal destruction must end.'' This is typical Clinton. While he sucks in millions in illegal campaign contributions, he calls for campaign finance reform. While his minions slime his enemies, he pleads for the sliming to end. Has he lost James Carville's phone number? It was Carville who proclaimed to Larry King, ``This is war.'' People with ideological and professional links to the White House are in cahoots with Larry Flynt and others to stop Clinton from having to face a political judgment day. If Clinton would pay any price and bear any burden to get himself reelected, rest assured his slime machine will go into overdrive to make sure his impeached offenses are never tried in the Senate. The rumor mill is white hot, assuring us plenty more slime is coming. Don't look for peace on earth in Washington, much less any good will toward men this Christmas season. Even former White House press secretary Mike McCurry is now saying that Bill Clinton can't be trusted. Speaking on the BBC, McCurry referred to the ``incredibly bizarre personal behavior'' of his former boss. He also called the president's actions ``reckless,'' not what one would expect of a ``rational human being.'' McCurry added that while Clinton never asked anyone directly to lie, he allowed ``the deception to go on, knowing the truth.'' That deceit extended to his sworn testimony and efforts to cover up his lies, which were at the heart of the two articles of impeachment approved by the House of Representatives. Most people know or suspect the president is guilty of a lot more than ``lying about sex'' and trying to cover it up. The feds had to settle for tax evasion to bag Al Capone. The House settled for lies and cover up in the case of Bill Clinton. Rep. Bob Livingston (R-La.) announced he will not become Speaker of the House and will resign his seat in Congress in six months because of admitted adulteries. Livingston said he hoped his decision would be an example to President Clinton. It wasn't. Clinton and other Democrats urged him not to quit. They need him to justify their doctrine of immoral equivalency. Clinton pulled out all the stops these last few days. He used his wife, a clergyman and his ample supply of slimers. He used the vice president, who called the day of impeachment ``the saddest day I have seen in our nation's capital.'' One might justifiably think that sadder days were those on which the president of the United States sexually used a 21-year-old intern in the closest thing we have to a sacred public building in our country or on which he lied about it under oath. It isn't the Congress that is responsible for division and ``hate,'' as Democrats refer to people who stand for the law and principle. It is Bill Clinton. His behavior alone has brought forth on this continent a slimed nation along with the calamitous idea that all men are created lechers and that they have evolved with certain unprincipled rights. These include a right to abuse high office, lie to the public and their duly authorized elected and judicial representatives, and a general obtuseness to high and holy things in favor of low and debauched things. The political apocalypse of the last week may be temporarily eclipsed by the holiday season, but it will come roaring back in January. The Senate had better be ready, because if it moves forward with a trial, the Clinton people -- for whom power is all that matters -- will haul out every despicable weapon at their disposal. They will attempt to destroy anyone who tries to prevent them from building their little bridge of deception, lies and arrogance to the 21st century. This was clear in the president's defiant pledge to remain in office ``to the last hour of the last day of my term.'' Name: Vince Foster email: Ghost of Christmas Past Message: Clinton dies and he goes to hell. Satan meets him there and says, "Bill we have to find a spot for you for all of eternity." So Satan takes Bill down a hall. They come to the first door and open it. Inside is Timothy McVeigh being burned at the stake. "No," Bill balks, "I can't do that for all eternity." "Fair enough," replies Satan. Satan takes Bill down the hall to a second door. Inside is Rush Limbaugh being pulled apart on The Rack. "No," Bill again balks. "I can't do that for all eternity, either." Satan takes Bill to the last door. Inside, Kenneth Starr is being held up to the wall with chains around his wrists. At his groin is Monica Lewinsky giving him a blow job. Bill smiles. "Yes!" he shouts, "that's for me." Satan walks into the room and kicks Monica and shouts, "Get up Monica and get out... Your replacement's here." Name: unknown email: unknown Message: "We've got money for wars, but no money to feed the poor." (2Pac) Name: email: Message: Name: email: Message: President to stand trial as censure offer is scorned AS always, the pendulum will swing back in President Clinton's favour. But will it swing far enough to save him this time? The national apathy that has shielded him from outrage for so long is now his foe. Americans are too busy with themselves to rally, decisively, to his defence. Polls showing 57 per cent opposed to impeachment include the faintly discernable pulse of yuppies in the suburban malls. For the Senate Republicans, the wrath of the other 43 per cent may count for more in the calculus of political risk. Besides, there is a principle at stake. People are in prison across the United States for doing exactly what their President has so obviously done. The rule of law cannot abide a double standard. Which is why it is facile to accuse the Republicans of staging a coup d'etat. They are not threatening to install one of their own in the White House. Mr Clinton's successor, should it come to that, is Vice-President Al Gore, a Democrat, and a far more committed advocate of liberal causes than the chameleon Mr Clinton. Yes, the impeachment has been a nasty, partisan, degrading spectacle, but which of the two sides is the more guilty of venal self-interest? The Democrats do not dispute the guilt of the President. In their own draft motion of censure they accepted that he had disgraced his office. Their sole defence is that his crimes fall short of "high crimes". Many of the same Democrats who voted in the past to impeach judges for a single offence of perjury, voted this time to absolve the President, who appoints all federal prosecutors and judges, of the systematic obstruction of a civil lawsuit, as well as perjury. Let me clarify this, in case anybody is still under the misapprehension that Mr Clinton is being impeached for conducting an affair with Monica Lewinsky, or lying about adultery. If that were the case, one could indeed argue that "sexual McCarthyism" had run rampant. But it is not the case. Mr Clinton is in trouble for conspiring to prevent a young woman, Paula Jones, from establishing in court that she had been summoned from her place of work by the Arkansas state police and escorted like a slave-girl to the hotel chambers of then Governor Clinton, where she was expected to satisfy his droit de seigneur. The DNA on Monica's dress was merely the building block in establishing this conspiracy. Mr Clinton was impeached for abusing his power in an attempt to cover up a former abuse of power. I can understand the bitter feelings of those who argue that Mr Clinton's enemies took advantage of the legal system to set a trap, although I would have more sympathy if they, and their network of well-funded foundations, had not used the law so masterfully themselves in advancing the Left-Liberal agenda. Still, toppling a President is escalating this form of political warfare to a new level. Their complaint deserves to be taken seriously. I would accept that it was the express intent of Paula Jones, and even more so of her husband Steve, to use her 1994 sexual harassment lawsuit to inflict political damage on the Clinton presidency. But I also think that she was perfectly justified in doing so. Mr Clinton's treatment of her was not just boorish, it bordered on the mentally deranged. As she told me: "People have got to know what he did to me." When the press refused to publish her account, she resorted to a lawsuit as the only means of forcing it into public consciousness. I can also see why people in Britain think that the Independent Counsel, Kenneth Starr, is a rogue inquisitor, especially if they rely on television for their news coverage. It is said that after four years of poking around in every nook and cranny of the Clintons' past life, Mr Starr was forced to concede that there was no evidence of wrongdoing in the original Whitewater affair. Well, not exactly. The Statute of Limitations on the worst allegations of bribery have already passed, so the offences cannot be prosecuted. Witness one in the Whitewater/Madison Guaranty bank fraud investigation, Vincent Foster, was found dead in a Virginia park with an untraced revolver in his hand. Witness two, Jim McDougal, died in prison earlier this year, in solitary confinement, without access to his medication. Witness three, Susan McDougal, chose to go to prison on contempt charges rather than answer factual questions about Mr Clinton's alleged role in a $300,000 scam. I would never suggest, of course, that silence is what kept her alive. Witness four, Webster Hubbell, violated his criminal plea agreement, received hundreds of thousands of dollars in hush money, and has now been re-indicted. Despite "omerta" and perishable witnesses, the Whitewater investigation is still going on. I do not know how it will end, but Hillary Clinton is most assuredly in the cross-hairs right now. My gripe against Kenneth Starr is that he is not inquisitorial enough. He has failed to pursue the Clintons for their worst sins, namely the misuse of the FBI and the corruption of the US Justice Department. Perhaps this is because he is himself a creature of the Justice Department, where he served as chief of staff. Instinctively, he has avoided confronting the institutional power of the FBI. In the death investigation of Vincent Foster, he refused to proceed when his own prosecutor, Miguel Rodriguez, told him that he had uncovered evidence of an FBI cover-up. Rodriguez resigned in protest, suspecting strongly that Foster was murdered. The case was shut down. Mr Starr also botched the investigation into the White House's illicit use of confidential FBI files on 900 Republican opponents. He used FBI agents to probe misconduct involving the FBI itself. Needless to say, they came up empty handed. A civil suit on behalf of the victims has since uncovered evidence that the purloined files were part of a campaign of political espionage ordered by Hillary Clinton herself. The dirt in the files, including raw data on congressional leaders, was fed into computers. Presumably it was later used for blackmail, or fed to media surrogates for the systematic smearing of Republicans. But if Starr flinched, preferring to eliminate Mr Clinton with the Lewinsky rifle shot, Congress made its judgment on a broader basis. Saturday's impeachment vote was a rebuke of Mr Clinton's "Want of Virtue" in all its facets: Filegate, the misuse of the Internal Revenue Service, the Dixie Mafia ties from Arkansas, the sale of restricted technology to the Chinese in exchange for campaign funds, and on and on. The passion and vitriol of this impeachment are inexplicable, unless you understand the Republican belief that Mr Clinton is corrupting the whole US government. Open suspicion in Washington that he bombed Iraq in order to save his own skin has brought home the point - perhaps more dramatically than impeachment itself - that his credibility is beyond repair. He has poisoned the Middle East policy of the West, and he will likely poison everything he touches from now on. The Senate will have to take this into account at trial. The Democrats have the blocking minority required to save Mr Clinton, but the upper chamber is a prickly place. Elders on both sides of the aisle are almost preening in their sense of institutional self-worth, and the tribal loyalties of party count for little. The Senate will look to the interests of the country, as it usually has through history, and that bodes ill for President Clinton. Name: email: Message: GOP sees Senate trial as boost for 2000 race THE WASHINGTON TIMES12/23/98 By Ralph Z. Hallow The Republican impeachment drive against a president soaring in public opinion polls may prove to be good politics in the 2000 elections. In fact, there may be serious political consequences for the GOP if Senate Republicans give in to White House pleas to let President Clinton avoid trial and have a censure vote instead. "There would have been hell to pay," said GOP pollster Fred Steeper, if Republicans in Congress "had taken a walk" on the perjury and obstruction charges against Mr. Clinton. Allowing the president to sweep such serious accusations under the rug would have been far worse than George Bush's "read my lips" in alienating grass-roots Republican voters, Mr. Steeper said. Despite the GOP's disappointing showing in the Nov. 3 midterm elections and post-impeachment polls showing a boost in support for Mr. Clinton, the Senate should still hold the impeachment trial, Republican strategist Frank Luntz said. "Senate Republicans are saying, 'We've already paid the political price. The worst thing to do now is to sell out our political principles,'" Mr. Luntz said. To short-circuit the process by using censure to avoid a Senate trial for Mr. Clinton -- as the White House has asked -- would be to repudiate the impeachment that most House Republicans and a handful of Democrats approved, Mr. Luntz said. "We'll be judged wrong ethically and politically," he said. Mr. Steeper said he sees no negative consequences in 2000 if the Senate Republicans go ahead with a trial for Mr. Clinton and an up-or-down vote on conviction. By Election Day 2000, the GOP's presidential candidate will define the party, he said. The Republican push for a Senate trial makes sense politically, said independent pollster John Zogby. "Actually, the Republicans are following the best strategy for them today," Mr. Zogby said. "They're framing it as: 'What do you want to teach your children, that it's OK to lie in a court of law?'" And to the extent conservatives dominate the GOP's core voters, polls show strong Republican support for a Senate trial. A CBS-New York Times post-impeachment poll found that 84 percent of conservative Republicans approved of the House's having impeached Mr. Clinton, 68 percent said he should go to trial in the Senate, and the same percentage said he should be removed from office. Only 21 percent of conservative Republicans said it would be better for the country if Mr. Clinton completes his term. Mr. Steeper said the "biggest irony is, I don't think the American public cares much one way or the other. It has nothing to do with people's day-to-day problems. The federal government is becoming marginalized. The impeachment and removal of the president has very little consequence in people's lives." Analysts said that what is missing from the polls is any measure of the intensity of public sentiment on the issue -- which they say is almost nonexistent. "Nothing that the Republicans have done or are doing is creating an uproar, not in the stock market, not in consumer spending," Mr. Zogby said. "We just had a president impeached, and nobody's talking about it or thinking about it," Mr. Zogby said. "A large percentage aren't saying, 'Leave him alone.' They aren't paying attention, and they sure did during Watergate. Everybody was talking about Clarence Thomas." Mr. Zogby added: "I'll stake my reputation on this. If on Thursday [Mr. Clinton] were to resign or be removed, people would watch TV on Friday morning and say, 'The president is gone. I've got to get the kids to school on time.'" Independent pollster Scott Rasmussen said he thinks the conventional wisdom about Mr. Clinton's record-high job approval ratings is wrong. His post-impeachment poll of 1,000 adults found that 61 percent think the president "deserves" to be removed from office -- but only 37 percent actually want the Senate to take that step. "It's not that people like him or what he did regarding the scandals and cover-up but that they fear losing him," he says, adding that "only 14 percent see him as a good role model." Finally, a little political common-sense in the Senate. Name: email: Message: Bipartisan support shown in the House
Ann equates the polls with horoscopes, but says that horoscopes are sometimes right. She wants polls investigated because they are a mathematical impossibility. She said that she demanded an investigation from her editor and all his calls were refused.
She mentioned the Zogby poll that said hours before the election that Carol Mosley B would win and of course that poll didn't turn out to be correct.
Another example was when the american people said that their #1 choise for important topics was schoolyard killings. When Time put that on their cover, it didn't sell more copies.
Regarding impeachment: She always thought impeachment would be harder to get than an indictment. She talked to the fact that the only time the Senators would be able to speak at the trial would be after they have heard the evidence, they would be able to say guilty or not guilty. David asked why the WH is trying to get a censure instead of going to trial and Ann suggested they feel "Can we take the chance".
Regarding the November election: caller asked What Happened? She said that she was telling everyone within ear shot not to fall for the landslide of the Republicans. The polls from February to the issuance of the Starr Report were saying that the democrats were going to retake the House. Actually, we didn't have that landslide, but the fact that the Republicans kept control was a major victory.
Ann said that the Senators have to vote on the articles of impeachment and it will be very difficult to say that he didn't do what the articles say he did. They will not be voting on the fact that the articles reach the level of impeachment -- that has already been decided. Standard of proof: near preponderance(sp?) of the evidence -- not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Materiality point has been somewhat overblown somewhat like beyond a reasonable doubt. It is material if it can tip the scales one way or the other. Lawyers lying on TV about that issue have muddied the water. She also said that you can perjur yourself if your intent was to mislead! Interview ended at this point.
Lexington Herald Leader
In a week without precedent, in a city that has set a lot of precedents, the biggest story was Larry Flynt exposing himself as a Democrat. It says a lot about a party that makes the likes of Flynt and the impeached Bill Clinton feel at home.
There was more talk last week about sin, forgiveness, reconciliation and healing than at any time since the last Billy Graham crusade in Washington about a decade ago. Unlike Graham's, this talk, which came mostly from Democrats, was phony, something like criminals denouncing a crime wave.
The biggest laugh in a very sad week was the announcement of the president's ``concern,'' relayed by spokesman Joe Lockhart, that the ``politics of personal destruction must end.'' This is typical Clinton. While he sucks in millions in illegal campaign contributions, he calls for campaign finance reform. While his minions slime his enemies, he pleads for the sliming to end.
Has he lost James Carville's phone number? It was Carville who proclaimed to Larry King, ``This is war.'' People with ideological and professional links to the White House are in cahoots with Larry Flynt and others to stop Clinton from having to face a political judgment day.
If Clinton would pay any price and bear any burden to get himself reelected, rest assured his slime machine will go into overdrive to make sure his impeached offenses are never tried in the Senate. The rumor mill is white hot, assuring us plenty more slime is coming. Don't look for peace on earth in Washington, much less any good will toward men this Christmas season.
Even former White House press secretary Mike McCurry is now saying that Bill Clinton can't be trusted. Speaking on the BBC, McCurry referred to the ``incredibly bizarre personal behavior'' of his former boss. He also called the president's actions ``reckless,'' not what one would expect of a ``rational human being.'' McCurry added that while Clinton never asked anyone directly to lie, he allowed ``the deception to go on, knowing the truth.'' That deceit extended to his sworn testimony and efforts to cover up his lies, which were at the heart of the two articles of impeachment approved by the House of Representatives.
Most people know or suspect the president is guilty of a lot more than ``lying about sex'' and trying to cover it up. The feds had to settle for tax evasion to bag Al Capone. The House settled for lies and cover up in the case of Bill Clinton.
Rep. Bob Livingston (R-La.) announced he will not become Speaker of the House and will resign his seat in Congress in six months because of admitted adulteries. Livingston said he hoped his decision would be an example to President Clinton. It wasn't. Clinton and other Democrats urged him not to quit. They need him to justify their doctrine of immoral equivalency. Clinton pulled out all the stops these last few days. He used his wife, a clergyman and his ample supply of slimers. He used the vice president, who called the day of impeachment ``the saddest day I have seen in our nation's capital.'' One might justifiably think that sadder days were those on which the president of the United States sexually used a 21-year-old intern in the closest thing we have to a sacred public building in our country or on which he lied about it under oath.
It isn't the Congress that is responsible for division and ``hate,'' as Democrats refer to people who stand for the law and principle. It is Bill Clinton. His behavior alone has brought forth on this continent a slimed nation along with the calamitous idea that all men are created lechers and that they have evolved with certain unprincipled rights. These include a right to abuse high office, lie to the public and their duly authorized elected and judicial representatives, and a general obtuseness to high and holy things in favor of low and debauched things.
The political apocalypse of the last week may be temporarily eclipsed by the holiday season, but it will come roaring back in January. The Senate had better be ready, because if it moves forward with a trial, the Clinton people -- for whom power is all that matters -- will haul out every despicable weapon at their disposal. They will attempt to destroy anyone who tries to prevent them from building their little bridge of deception, lies and arrogance to the 21st century. This was clear in the president's defiant pledge to remain in office ``to the last hour of the last day of my term.''
Name: Vince Foster
email: Ghost of Christmas Past
Message: Clinton dies and he goes to hell. Satan meets him there and says, "Bill we have to find a spot for you for all of eternity." So Satan takes Bill down a hall. They come to the first door and open it. Inside is Timothy McVeigh being burned at the stake. "No," Bill balks, "I can't do that for all eternity." "Fair enough," replies Satan. Satan takes Bill down the hall to a second door. Inside is Rush Limbaugh being pulled apart on The Rack. "No," Bill again balks. "I can't do that for all eternity, either." Satan takes Bill to the last door. Inside, Kenneth Starr is being held up to the wall with chains around his wrists. At his groin is Monica Lewinsky giving him a blow job. Bill smiles. "Yes!" he shouts, "that's for me." Satan walks into the room and kicks Monica and shouts, "Get up Monica and get out... Your replacement's here."
Name: unknown
email: unknown
Message: "We've got money for wars, but no money to feed the poor." (2Pac)
President to stand trial as censure offer is scorned
AS always, the pendulum will swing back in President Clinton's favour. But will it swing far enough to save him this time? The national apathy that has shielded him from outrage for so long is now his foe. Americans are too busy with themselves to rally, decisively, to his defence.
Polls showing 57 per cent opposed to impeachment include the faintly discernable pulse of yuppies in the suburban malls. For the Senate Republicans, the wrath of the other 43 per cent may count for more in the calculus of political risk. Besides, there is a principle at stake. People are in prison across the United States for doing exactly what their President has so obviously done.
The rule of law cannot abide a double standard. Which is why it is facile to accuse the Republicans of staging a coup d'etat. They are not threatening to install one of their own in the White House. Mr Clinton's successor, should it come to that, is Vice-President Al Gore, a Democrat, and a far more committed advocate of liberal causes than the chameleon Mr Clinton. Yes, the impeachment has been a nasty, partisan, degrading spectacle, but which of the two sides is the more guilty of venal self-interest? The Democrats do not dispute the guilt of the President. In their own draft motion of censure they accepted that he had disgraced his office. Their sole defence is that his crimes fall short of "high crimes". Many of the same Democrats who voted in the past to impeach judges for a single offence of perjury, voted this time to absolve the President, who appoints all federal prosecutors and judges, of the systematic obstruction of a civil lawsuit, as well as perjury.
Let me clarify this, in case anybody is still under the misapprehension that Mr Clinton is being impeached for conducting an affair with Monica Lewinsky, or lying about adultery. If that were the case, one could indeed argue that "sexual McCarthyism" had run rampant. But it is not the case. Mr Clinton is in trouble for conspiring to prevent a young woman, Paula Jones, from establishing in court that she had been summoned from her place of work by the Arkansas state police and escorted like a slave-girl to the hotel chambers of then Governor Clinton, where she was expected to satisfy his droit de seigneur. The DNA on Monica's dress was merely the building block in establishing this conspiracy. Mr Clinton was impeached for abusing his power in an attempt to cover up a former abuse of power.
I can understand the bitter feelings of those who argue that Mr Clinton's enemies took advantage of the legal system to set a trap, although I would have more sympathy if they, and their network of well-funded foundations, had not used the law so masterfully themselves in advancing the Left-Liberal agenda. Still, toppling a President is escalating this form of political warfare to a new level. Their complaint deserves to be taken seriously. I would accept that it was the express intent of Paula Jones, and even more so of her husband Steve, to use her 1994 sexual harassment lawsuit to inflict political damage on the Clinton presidency. But I also think that she was perfectly justified in doing so. Mr Clinton's treatment of her was not just boorish, it bordered on the mentally deranged. As she told me: "People have got to know what he did to me." When the press refused to publish her account, she resorted to a lawsuit as the only means of forcing it into public consciousness.
I can also see why people in Britain think that the Independent Counsel, Kenneth Starr, is a rogue inquisitor, especially if they rely on television for their news coverage. It is said that after four years of poking around in every nook and cranny of the Clintons' past life, Mr Starr was forced to concede that there was no evidence of wrongdoing in the original Whitewater affair. Well, not exactly. The Statute of Limitations on the worst allegations of bribery have already passed, so the offences cannot be prosecuted. Witness one in the Whitewater/Madison Guaranty bank fraud investigation, Vincent Foster, was found dead in a Virginia park with an untraced revolver in his hand. Witness two, Jim McDougal, died in prison earlier this year, in solitary confinement, without access to his medication. Witness three, Susan McDougal, chose to go to prison on contempt charges rather than answer factual questions about Mr Clinton's alleged role in a $300,000 scam. I would never suggest, of course, that silence is what kept her alive. Witness four, Webster Hubbell, violated his criminal plea agreement, received hundreds of thousands of dollars in hush money, and has now been re-indicted. Despite "omerta" and perishable witnesses, the Whitewater investigation is still going on. I do not know how it will end, but Hillary Clinton is most assuredly in the cross-hairs right now.
My gripe against Kenneth Starr is that he is not inquisitorial enough. He has failed to pursue the Clintons for their worst sins, namely the misuse of the FBI and the corruption of the US Justice Department. Perhaps this is because he is himself a creature of the Justice Department, where he served as chief of staff. Instinctively, he has avoided confronting the institutional power of the FBI. In the death investigation of Vincent Foster, he refused to proceed when his own prosecutor, Miguel Rodriguez, told him that he had uncovered evidence of an FBI cover-up. Rodriguez resigned in protest, suspecting strongly that Foster was murdered. The case was shut down. Mr Starr also botched the investigation into the White House's illicit use of confidential FBI files on 900 Republican opponents. He used FBI agents to probe misconduct involving the FBI itself. Needless to say, they came up empty handed. A civil suit on behalf of the victims has since uncovered evidence that the purloined files were part of a campaign of political espionage ordered by Hillary Clinton herself.
The dirt in the files, including raw data on congressional leaders, was fed into computers. Presumably it was later used for blackmail, or fed to media surrogates for the systematic smearing of Republicans. But if Starr flinched, preferring to eliminate Mr Clinton with the Lewinsky rifle shot, Congress made its judgment on a broader basis. Saturday's impeachment vote was a rebuke of Mr Clinton's "Want of Virtue" in all its facets: Filegate, the misuse of the Internal Revenue Service, the Dixie Mafia ties from Arkansas, the sale of restricted technology to the Chinese in exchange for campaign funds, and on and on. The passion and vitriol of this impeachment are inexplicable, unless you understand the Republican belief that Mr Clinton is corrupting the whole US government.
Open suspicion in Washington that he bombed Iraq in order to save his own skin has brought home the point - perhaps more dramatically than impeachment itself - that his credibility is beyond repair. He has poisoned the Middle East policy of the West, and he will likely poison everything he touches from now on. The Senate will have to take this into account at trial. The Democrats have the blocking minority required to save Mr Clinton, but the upper chamber is a prickly place. Elders on both sides of the aisle are almost preening in their sense of institutional self-worth, and the tribal loyalties of party count for little. The Senate will look to the interests of the country, as it usually has through history, and that bodes ill for President Clinton.
Message: GOP sees Senate trial as boost for 2000 race
THE WASHINGTON TIMES12/23/98 By Ralph Z. Hallow The Republican impeachment drive against a president soaring in public opinion polls may prove to be good politics in the 2000 elections. In fact, there may be serious political consequences for the GOP if Senate Republicans give in to White House pleas to let President Clinton avoid trial and have a censure vote instead. "There would have been hell to pay," said GOP pollster Fred Steeper, if Republicans in Congress "had taken a walk" on the perjury and obstruction charges against Mr. Clinton. Allowing the president to sweep such serious accusations under the rug would have been far worse than George Bush's "read my lips" in alienating grass-roots Republican voters, Mr. Steeper said. Despite the GOP's disappointing showing in the Nov. 3 midterm elections and post-impeachment polls showing a boost in support for Mr. Clinton, the Senate should still hold the impeachment trial, Republican strategist Frank Luntz said. "Senate Republicans are saying, 'We've already paid the political price. The worst thing to do now is to sell out our political principles,'" Mr. Luntz said. To short-circuit the process by using censure to avoid a Senate trial for Mr. Clinton -- as the White House has asked -- would be to repudiate the impeachment that most House Republicans and a handful of Democrats approved, Mr. Luntz said. "We'll be judged wrong ethically and politically," he said. Mr. Steeper said he sees no negative consequences in 2000 if the Senate Republicans go ahead with a trial for Mr. Clinton and an up-or-down vote on conviction. By Election Day 2000, the GOP's presidential candidate will define the party, he said. The Republican push for a Senate trial makes sense politically, said independent pollster John Zogby. "Actually, the Republicans are following the best strategy for them today," Mr. Zogby said. "They're framing it as: 'What do you want to teach your children, that it's OK to lie in a court of law?'" And to the extent conservatives dominate the GOP's core voters, polls show strong Republican support for a Senate trial. A CBS-New York Times post-impeachment poll found that 84 percent of conservative Republicans approved of the House's having impeached Mr. Clinton, 68 percent said he should go to trial in the Senate, and the same percentage said he should be removed from office. Only 21 percent of conservative Republicans said it would be better for the country if Mr. Clinton completes his term. Mr. Steeper said the "biggest irony is, I don't think the American public cares much one way or the other. It has nothing to do with people's day-to-day problems. The federal government is becoming marginalized. The impeachment and removal of the president has very little consequence in people's lives." Analysts said that what is missing from the polls is any measure of the intensity of public sentiment on the issue -- which they say is almost nonexistent. "Nothing that the Republicans have done or are doing is creating an uproar, not in the stock market, not in consumer spending," Mr. Zogby said. "We just had a president impeached, and nobody's talking about it or thinking about it," Mr. Zogby said. "A large percentage aren't saying, 'Leave him alone.' They aren't paying attention, and they sure did during Watergate. Everybody was talking about Clarence Thomas." Mr. Zogby added: "I'll stake my reputation on this. If on Thursday [Mr. Clinton] were to resign or be removed, people would watch TV on Friday morning and say, 'The president is gone. I've got to get the kids to school on time.'" Independent pollster Scott Rasmussen said he thinks the conventional wisdom about Mr. Clinton's record-high job approval ratings is wrong. His post-impeachment poll of 1,000 adults found that 61 percent think the president "deserves" to be removed from office -- but only 37 percent actually want the Senate to take that step. "It's not that people like him or what he did regarding the scandals and cover-up but that they fear losing him," he says, adding that "only 14 percent see him as a good role model."
The Republican impeachment drive against a president soaring in public opinion polls may prove to be good politics in the 2000 elections. In fact, there may be serious political consequences for the GOP if Senate Republicans give in to White House pleas to let President Clinton avoid trial and have a censure vote instead. "There would have been hell to pay," said GOP pollster Fred Steeper, if Republicans in Congress "had taken a walk" on the perjury and obstruction charges against Mr. Clinton. Allowing the president to sweep such serious accusations under the rug would have been far worse than George Bush's "read my lips" in alienating grass-roots Republican voters, Mr. Steeper said. Despite the GOP's disappointing showing in the Nov. 3 midterm elections and post-impeachment polls showing a boost in support for Mr. Clinton, the Senate should still hold the impeachment trial, Republican strategist Frank Luntz said. "Senate Republicans are saying, 'We've already paid the political price. The worst thing to do now is to sell out our political principles,'" Mr. Luntz said. To short-circuit the process by using censure to avoid a Senate trial for Mr. Clinton -- as the White House has asked -- would be to repudiate the impeachment that most House Republicans and a handful of Democrats approved, Mr. Luntz said. "We'll be judged wrong ethically and politically," he said. Mr. Steeper said he sees no negative consequences in 2000 if the Senate Republicans go ahead with a trial for Mr. Clinton and an up-or-down vote on conviction. By Election Day 2000, the GOP's presidential candidate will define the party, he said. The Republican push for a Senate trial makes sense politically, said independent pollster John Zogby. "Actually, the Republicans are following the best strategy for them today," Mr. Zogby said. "They're framing it as: 'What do you want to teach your children, that it's OK to lie in a court of law?'" And to the extent conservatives dominate the GOP's core voters, polls show strong Republican support for a Senate trial. A CBS-New York Times post-impeachment poll found that 84 percent of conservative Republicans approved of the House's having impeached Mr. Clinton, 68 percent said he should go to trial in the Senate, and the same percentage said he should be removed from office. Only 21 percent of conservative Republicans said it would be better for the country if Mr. Clinton completes his term. Mr. Steeper said the "biggest irony is, I don't think the American public cares much one way or the other. It has nothing to do with people's day-to-day problems. The federal government is becoming marginalized. The impeachment and removal of the president has very little consequence in people's lives." Analysts said that what is missing from the polls is any measure of the intensity of public sentiment on the issue -- which they say is almost nonexistent. "Nothing that the Republicans have done or are doing is creating an uproar, not in the stock market, not in consumer spending," Mr. Zogby said. "We just had a president impeached, and nobody's talking about it or thinking about it," Mr. Zogby said. "A large percentage aren't saying, 'Leave him alone.' They aren't paying attention, and they sure did during Watergate. Everybody was talking about Clarence Thomas." Mr. Zogby added: "I'll stake my reputation on this. If on Thursday [Mr. Clinton] were to resign or be removed, people would watch TV on Friday morning and say, 'The president is gone. I've got to get the kids to school on time.'" Independent pollster Scott Rasmussen said he thinks the conventional wisdom about Mr. Clinton's record-high job approval ratings is wrong. His post-impeachment poll of 1,000 adults found that 61 percent think the president "deserves" to be removed from office -- but only 37 percent actually want the Senate to take that step. "It's not that people like him or what he did regarding the scandals and cover-up but that they fear losing him," he says, adding that "only 14 percent see him as a good role model."
Finally, a little political common-sense in the Senate.
Message: Bipartisan support shown in the House
The Cincinnati EnquirerDecember 23, 1998 Bruce Gudenkauf (aka ohiolawyer) An analysis of the votes on House Resolution 611 refutes the Democrats' claim that the Republicans are being partisan and that impeachment does not have bipartisan support. The first article and the third article of H. Res. 611 were adopted. On the first article, five Democrats voted for impeachment and 200 voted against. On the third article, five Democrats voted for impeachment and 199 voted against. Only the first article was agreed to by enough votes that the five Democrat votes for impeachment were not needed to adopt it. The five Democrat votes for impeachment were needed to adopt the third article, because 12 Republicans voted against the third article. If the five Democrats who voted for impeachment had all voted against the third article, it would have failed by a vote of 216 Yeas to 217 Nays. Accordingly, the third article was only adopted because it had bipartisan support. Likewise, the second article and the fourth article of H. Res. 611 were voted down by a bipartisan vote. 200 Democrats voted against the second article and 203 Democrats voted against the fourth article. Even if all 205 Democrats who were present had voted against the second article and the fourth article, they both would have been adopted if at least 11 Republicans had not also voted against them. Accordingly, the second article and the fourth article were defeated only because 28 Republicans voted against the second article and 81 Republicans voted against the fourth. In summary, only one of the four votes was a partisan victory for the Republicans, the adoption of the first article. The adoption of the third article and the defeat of the second article and the fourth article were all the results of bipartisan votes. ....YES...and white is black...poor deluded conservatives. Name: Last Visible Dog email: Message: If anybody is looking for some holiday entertainment - look not further: LARRY FLYNT AND JERRY FALWELL LIVE TOGETHER ON AMERICA'S VOICE Washington, DC, December 23, 1998 - Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt and Dr. Jerry Falwell, chancellor of Liberty University, will be guests on "Take Action America" tonight at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time on the America's Voice television network. I will add no editorial comments...what could I possible add to that? -LVYD Name: email: Message: Clinton as Jesus
An analysis of the votes on House Resolution 611 refutes the Democrats' claim that the Republicans are being partisan and that impeachment does not have bipartisan support.
The first article and the third article of H. Res. 611 were adopted. On the first article, five Democrats voted for impeachment and 200 voted against. On the third article, five Democrats voted for impeachment and 199 voted against.
Only the first article was agreed to by enough votes that the five Democrat votes for impeachment were not needed to adopt it. The five Democrat votes for impeachment were needed to adopt the third article, because 12 Republicans voted against the third article. If the five Democrats who voted for impeachment had all voted against the third article, it would have failed by a vote of 216 Yeas to 217 Nays. Accordingly, the third article was only adopted because it had bipartisan support.
Likewise, the second article and the fourth article of H. Res. 611 were voted down by a bipartisan vote. 200 Democrats voted against the second article and 203 Democrats voted against the fourth article. Even if all 205 Democrats who were present had voted against the second article and the fourth article, they both would have been adopted if at least 11 Republicans had not also voted against them. Accordingly, the second article and the fourth article were defeated only because 28 Republicans voted against the second article and 81 Republicans voted against the fourth.
In summary, only one of the four votes was a partisan victory for the Republicans, the adoption of the first article. The adoption of the third article and the defeat of the second article and the fourth article were all the results of bipartisan votes.
....YES...and white is black...poor deluded conservatives.
Name: Last Visible Dog
If anybody is looking for some holiday entertainment - look not further:
LARRY FLYNT AND JERRY FALWELL LIVE TOGETHER ON AMERICA'S VOICE
Washington, DC, December 23, 1998 - Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt and Dr. Jerry Falwell, chancellor of Liberty University, will be guests on "Take Action America" tonight at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time on the America's Voice television network.
I will add no editorial comments...what could I possible add to that?
Message: Clinton as Jesus
Newsday December 21, 1998 Diane McWhorter Clinton as Jesus, Republicans as Sadducees Bill Clinton, obviously, is no Jesus Christ. . . . But indulge me in a political parable. A besieged conservative establishment that claims absolute custodianship; of a nation's laws furiously defends its dwindling power base against a charismatic upstart from the sticks. Showing a certain blithe contempt for those laws, the new guy challenges the whole concept of what that nation is. Where his opponents have thrived on division and exclusion, he lays hands on just about everyone, rich and poor, sinners and saints, hipsters and squares, red and yellow, black and white, even women. In return, the reward him with a mysteriously enduring faith. . . . These right-wing Republicans are like the Sadducees of the Jewish nation, the reactionary vested interests who carried out their narrow agenda through a strict interpretation of Jewish law--a code in which God's law was inseparable from the nation's law. The Republican's impeachment mantra--"the rule of law "--ostensibly referred to the Constitution. But their conflation of American law and the absolutist word of a fundamentalist's God was made sensationally clear on Saturday, when Speaker-elect Robert Livingston stood in the well of the House and declared himself a sinner, urging his fellow adulterer in the White House to follow his example in abdicating his post. . . . Clinton's arch-enemies, meanwhile, flog the pieties of their "born again" doctrine, even as their most obvious secular icon is the country's corporate grim reaper, the tobacco industry. Theirs is a static vision of humankind as debased and shameful, condemned before a punitive God. . . . That is Clinton's other blasphemy in the eyes of his enemies. By disgracing the sacrosanct office of the presidency, he also demystified the patriarchy that has run the country for its share of the closing millennium. Name: Spartacus email: Message: Since the Sadducees were the ruling class of the Judea of Jesus' time, providing most of the high priests and cooperating more fully with the Roman government than any other class of Jews of the time, the analogy falls apart in its very first line. If the Republicans were modern Sadducees, their first inclination would be to cooperate with and prop up Clinton, rather than to try to destroy him! And even if McWhorter MEANT to say Pharisees, rather than Sadducees, even that doesn't work, since the Pharisees had no interest in government, many of them actually supported Jesus (some modern scholarship is convinced Jesus himself was a Pharisee), and those who were anti-Jesus were so because they believed he was a walking blasphemy, not because of his thoughts or actions concerning government. Clinton's supporters speak not only from blindness, but also from ignorance. Name: email: Message: Name: Spartacus email: Message: A reading from the 3rd book of Hillary 27 9-14 ...then he took the pizza, sliced it. Gave it to his Democrap supporters and said, "Take this all of you and eat it. For this is the crust of my legacy, and it is cheese. Eat this and get a censure for me!" When they were finished, he took his mia culpa, gave thanks and said to "Take this all of you and choke it down. For this is my apology. an apology where I'll never say I'm sorry or that I lied. Do this and then censure me!" Name: JESUS email: Message: NONE ARE SO DEAF AS THOSE WHO DO NOT HEAR. Name: Witch Hazel email: witches@brooms.com Message: To all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And Happy Holidays to all our non-Christian citizens of the United States! May the new year bring us harmony and peace and goodwill towards all men and women. Let's reflect on the meaning of Christmas and look into our hearts to forgive and forget and move on towards something more meaningful than the Presidential plight. Those of us who like Bill Clinton despite his flaws will never be persuaded that what the GOP and the Christian Coalition has done is right. Those of us who hate Clinton with an unreasonable, withering hatred, will never be convinced that he is fit to lead. So let's declare a truce. Let the Senate hold the trial but make it as dignified as possible. Let the people's voices be heard that they really don't want to lose this president because he HAS been good for the country and the economy. Let Hillary Clinton be rewared in this life and the next for being a splendid person, a strong leader, a good role model for all women and for being a candidate for PRESIDENT IN 2000! That's my prayer for the season. What's yours? Name: email: Message: Can't GOP men believe that women WANT to have sex with Clinton? Get over it, Republicans. The man's sexy. Name: Housewife/Professional email: a_moreta@hotmail.com Message: Hilary, If I may call you? You have earned your tittle as Lady of the White House. I admire you for your ability to handle yourself, your family and your husband. Mr. Clinton is the President of the United Satates of America and I respect him but you have taken everything a step further. Sex is secondary!! Abilities and accurances is first. I admire you for standing your husband and showing the world that their is more to life than sex. Understanding love and comprehension between a couple is what really matters. I know that it must hurt what he did even though men do not mean to be in those situations but us women do tend to push them into doing what many times they do not even want to by attacking their ego, but those are men as we know. I am not a femenist I am only a mother, a wife, a friend,a daughter and a professional. When you think about it how did men ever get to rule when many times they think with their ....instead with their heads. I hope you are laughing at this point because I am. Mr. Clinton has done alot for us Americans and I hope that he continues until it is time for him to leave office. After I hope that you run for office You have my vote. Name: Daisey chains email: Message: I like to dream about being house wife to Hillary Clinton. Name: c harvey email: charvey@shaw.wave.ca Message: Hillary: We think you're the tops. As we women sit around with the guys in kitchen (it's a boy/girl party), we can't imagine how you're going to win in this situation. When this began we thought dump the guy, pack his bags, and run for office - hell we all know that you're the brains behind the whole operation. But now, we are thinking you must have a plan. Let us in. Or are you really a Mother Tereasa type. Anyway, whatever, it's really none of our business although it is on tv every night. Merry Christmas, and good luck with whatever you do, you must be wiser than me, because I'd be hanging from a rafter right now. Name: FDR's Ghost email: Message: Why doesn't it surprise me that members of the right have nothing better to do than post a message on a Hillary Clinton website. No wonder why most people think of Republicans as geeks and hypocrites. Why not find a nice tribute site to Rush or the Old Gipper(Reagan). Don't you people have lives of any sort or are politics your only release from your mundane existance? Before someone claims that Democrats are the geeks, hypocrites, and obsessed ones please look at and really listen to Bob Barr, Mark Levine, Michael Reagan, Bob Dornan, Julianne Goldberg, and Tom Delay concerning subjects other than Clinton. If they speak for a majority of Americans, I guess America has become a very acrimonious country with a great deal of malice towards many, not just the president. Merry X-MAS Hillary and other Democrats; I hope this mess is over someday soon. Name: David A. Hanson email: jisena@gte. net Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very proud of our President, and I am especially proud of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, you have the right plan to stay strong, and continue in your good work. You can always know how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think it is an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Do you think Vice President AL Gore would mind staying as our Vice President? In any case, I would have to give you my vote. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and ever well wisher, Jayasena das. Name: David A. Hanson email: jisena@gte.net Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very grateful and proud of our President. And I am especially proud and grateful of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, your plan to stay strong, and continue in your invaluble, good work is the right course. You can always judge how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think that would be an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Would Vice President Al Gore keep his present post? I would have to give you my vote in any case. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and well wisher, Jayasena das. Name: BART email: Message: THERE IS A SAN FRANCISCO RAG CALLED "THE ORGANIZER". AT LEAST THEIR EDITORS IDENTIFY RHEM SELVES AS SOCIALIST. THE EDITORS OF THIS SITE HVE NEVER PROVIDED THE READERS OF THIS FORUM WITH THE PROPER CREDENTIALS. THEY NEVER WILL. THEIR IDENTITY WILL TURN MOST VISITERS AWAY. THEY ARE WOULD BE THOUGHT REFORMISTS AND SOCIAL ENGINEERS, THEY THINK. Why don't you read the publicity sometime. Name: Editors to LVD email: Message: We have deleted your messages because you cannot control your language. We have told you this time and time again but you do not get the message. You have a right to express your opinion but you do not have a right to abuse us. As we have said before we are not your spitoon. It's unfortunate that you have so little command over the English language that you cannot write a respectful message. Every other word you write is "morons, idiots, evil, hypocrites, stupid, etc" We just cannot have that low-life, ill-bred language on this forum. Can't you state your case without personal abuse? What level of society do you mix with? Name: abc email: abc@internet Message: To: KIM RICHARD NIXON LIED ABOUT CHEATING AMERICAN PEOPLE BILL CLINTON LIED ABOUT HIS PRIVATE MARTTER(A COMMON MISTAKE). WHICH ONE IS HEAVIER AND WORTH TO BE PUNISHED? AND DON'T TELL ME THAT YOU ARE A PERFECT PERSON EVER! SO, DON'T TEACH YOUR SON A PERFECT LESSON, SOME DAY HE WILL LAUGH AT YOU! WE ARE HUMAN BEING AND LAWS ARE ALSO MADE BY US! Name: Jay R. Marshall email: Message: With "friends" like former presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerals Ford, who needs enemies like Trent Lott and Bob Barr? The latest "ex-prez" proposal would censure President Clinton but require him to "acknowledge" perjury. Hithertofore, only totalitarian countries compel the accused in political trials to confess falsely. President Clinton believes (rightly) that he did not lie; and he is entitled to the presumption of his innocence. Ironically, they are asking him to lie about lying to save his presidency. Furthermore, the calculated vagueness of Article 1 boscures the precise "lies" to which he should confess. The commonest of criminals is provided a bill of particulars. Is Clinton supposed to make a generic statement, "I lied", and let us debate into the millennium what he lied about? In all these matters, President Clinton is entitled to due process; and his is long overdue. Name: William J. Michael email: Cupertino, California Message: In praising the sacrifice of Representative Bob Livingston let me point out one basic fact: Without having so much as admitted to a misdemeanor, the speaker-elect let himself be run out of Washington by Larry Flynt. Now, with all due respect to Mr. Livingston's moral principles, someone who lives by a standard so rigid that it effectively permits the leadership of the U.S. House of Representatives to be manipulated by Hustler magazine is not the kind of role model I want my president to follow! Name: Outraged Parent: What my children have learned email: Hypocrites, hypocrites and more hypocrites Message: My children have learned that it's OK to cheat on your wife if you are a Republican, but not if you are a Democrat. They have also learned that Republicans believe that lying under oath to human beings is a worse sin than lying under a greater oath -- the marriage vows taken in God's name, or lying to ones wife or husband. Lies to ones spouse which undermines the marriage and "family values" is not as bad as lying to a grand jury. Is it any wonder that Generation "X" does not vote. Congress is full of hypocrites. Name: OUTRAGED in Seattle email: Message: Clinton must be punished. We cannot let a raping, lying, cheating, felonious perjurer get away with a lifetime of crime. We must make an example out of him for the sake of our children. Our children must know that a six year witch hunt is not a sufficient punishment for a man that cheats on his wife and then lies about it. The ultimate capitol punishment is called for, we will stand for nothing less. Capitol punishment for a president is impeachment. We Republican Christians, keepers of the nation's morality, do hereby declare that we will fight to the end to set an example for our children, the nation and to God. The scumbag pot-smoking philanderer-in-chief, liar, cheat, rapist, will pay for his crimes. We Republicans have secret information on hundreds of women he has raped and abused. A picture of Clinton exposing his bent dick to three voluptuous naked interns in the Oval Office will soon be published in the Weekly Standard. All will come out at the trial. Name: Amanda Best email: athena1103 Message: Dear Mrs. Clinton: I would like to ask you a question. How do you lay your head down on your pillow at night next to a man whom you know has had numerous affairs with other women? I have greatly admired the fact that you have, as a woman, climbed the political ladder all the way to the top and on your way have done great things for education and health care reform, but I cannot figure out why you would support a husband who has had numerous affairs, including one with a person young enough to be his daughter! The message that you are sending out to me and all the other women in this country is: "The only reason I am supporting my husband is so that I won't loose my political power. Nevermind the fact that he has had numerous affairs with dozens of women, I like the position of power that I am in and I intend to keep it no matter what it takes." I will only hope that one day you will wake-up and realize that you deserve someone a lot better and who will not disgrace your name and all that you have accomplished. Thanks, Amanda Name: Bart email: To Editors Message: Those are your opinions. Thank you very much any way. The reading public need to read more regarding your views. Glad you found the courage to 'come out', even though it was just a meager attempt. Please do not deleate your message. Name: David A. Hanson email: jisena@gte.net Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very grateful and proud of our President. And I am especially proud and grateful of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, your plan to stay strong, and continue in your invaluble, good work is the right course. You can always judge how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think that would be an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Would Vice President Al Gore keep his present post? I would have to give you my vote in any case. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and well wisher, Jayasena das. Name: Bugs Bunny email: Message: Hi Everybody. Why can't everyone be nice to one another, its Christmas, not Halloween. LOL So, Merry Xmas everyone and you too LVD bless your little heart and SFLiberals may the holidays be kind to you all. If you're nice Santa will visit your house tonite. LoL. Name: David A. Hanson email: Megalo@lcc.net Message: Meet me in St.LouieA St.Louie Name: David A. Hanson email: jisena@gte.net Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very grateful and proud of our President. And I am especially proud and grateful of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, your plan to stay strong, and continue in your invaluble, good work is the right course. You can always judge how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think that would be an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Would Vice President Al Gore keep his present post? I would have to give you my vote in any case. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and well wisher, Jayasena das. Name: Editors and SFLiberals to All email: Message: Merry Christmas to you too Bugs, and everyone else who has participated in this forum all these years. As you can see by some of the publicity on www.hillary.org, we have become internationally famous at no cost at all! We have been interviewed and invitations extended by other media as well as those listed. This is all quite remarkable since we don't have advertisers, nor do we get money from anyone, although we're hoping someday somebody will fund us to improve this forum. We have lots of ideas. What we have found on this forum over time is that even though we fight with others who have opposite views, we also express love for one another occasionally, and that is an interesting and beautiful result on such a simple forum. If only we could duplicate it and make it happen everywhere. Have a very Merry Christmas. We look forward to many more arguments, fights, breaking news and revelations in the pursuit of truth. We love you all. Name: Mrs Doubtfire email: Message: LVD This has nothing to do with politics. What do you think of women who have been Married and divorced and have kids, wearing a WHITE BRIDAL GOWN and actually having the kids in the wedding ceremony. Name: Saddam Hussein email: Saddam@IraqRules.gov Message: Greetings American Warlords! Saddam wishes American people Merry Ramadan. Saddam and the Iraqi people generously sending imperialist captor Bill Clinton one of Saddam's favorite goats. Mr. President: Goat always ready, always gracious, always very very good. If goat talk to Secret Service or press, then you Bar-B-Q goat and send it to your Al Gore for lunch. This is what Saddam does to mistresses who get out of line. By the way, I lose photographs of Saddam with American Loooooooveboat Christiane Amanpour. If you find them, have David Kendall send them back. It will do your Mr. Kendall good to see photographs, sort of like spending night with Monica AND My Goat. Ah! Heaven! Name: American Warlords to Saddam Hussein email: Message: Merry Ramadan to you too Saddam. We are honored that you paid us this visit tonight, so late on Christmas Eve as it quietly merges into the most holy of seasons for both of us. Photos of Christiane Amanpour, your American loveboat, are on their way to you, with regards from imperialist captor, Bill. He told me to tell you it never crossed his mind about your scapegoat idea, but that could work! Your strategies definitely have survival value so this may be just the ticket. Thank you for your suggestion. American Warlords Name: Mary Herzig email: MHE7301502@aol.com Message: Wishes you and your family a Merry Christmas and Mr. Starr a not so good one. Name: Democrats & Republicans Greatest Fear! email: Non_apllicable@na.com Message: Name: email: Message: Maybe I'm stupid but I don't get that "Democrats & Republican Greatest Fear" image above. Could somebody explain. Name: FROM TIME MAGAZINE December 28, 1998 email: by Richard Lacayo Message: Where the Right went Wrong In backing Starr's witch hunt, conservatives fell in love with Big Government Excerpts from Time Magazine article by Richard Lacayo How did conservatives, who used to boast that they were at one with ordinary Americans, get it so wrong? The answer begins with the end of the cold war, when the collapse of the Soviet Union gave them the opportunity to focus on the culture wars at home. Optimistic libertarians, the kind who believe that free choice is good and that free markets foster it, are stillto be found in the Republican Party. But the more influential voices on the right these days are bleaker. They see America becoming a cesspit of promiscuity..... For them, government interference with private economic behavior remains a bad thing, but regulation of other kinds of private behavior, chiefly meaning sex, issomething America needs more of. This is the line of thought represented most famously by Robert Bork in his 1996 best seller, Slouching Towards Gomorrah. Bork warns that America is in the grip of a radical individualism that recognizes no limit to the right of personal gratification, one for which the pleasure principle is the only principle that counts.... ..conservatives find themselves entertaining the thought that we have all become so heedless and self-regarding that we can no longer be relied upon to make moral judgments. This summer James Dobson, the Christian radio broadcaster, was all but calling for a new American people to replace the defective present model. Before the Clinton-Lewinsky-Starr thing is over, it will have pushed conservatism into an oddball neo-Platonism, one that envisions an ideal "American pe Name: email: Message: BAD NEWS FOR THE GOP Angry Voters Quitting The GOP San Francisco Chronicle, Friday December 25, 1998 WASHINGTON - In a small but telling sign of the political fallout from the House impeachment vote, a handful of local election officials in the San Francisco Bay Area and other parts of the country say a surprising number of people have officially changed their party registration from Republican to Democrat. Name: email: Message: X X X X X REPORT: WHITE HOUSE FIGHT; SECRET SERVICE PULLS FURIOUS FIRST LADY OFF PRESIDENT THU DEC 24, 1998 16:08:55 UTC -- Hillary Clinton has finally snapped! The NATIONAL ENQUIRER is set to report in its January 5, 1999 edition: The First Lady has physically attacked the President, hitting him so hard she left a visible mark on his face -- and Secret Service agents had to separate them. The DRUDGE REPORT trusts the account to be accurate and non-libelous because the NATIONAL ENQUIRER and President Bill Clinton use the same law firm, Williams & Connolly! In fact, Clinton's private lawyer, David Kendall, has directly done work for the tabloid through the years. "Keep that bitch away from me!" Bill Clinton told one Secret Service agent. One inside source tells the ENQUIRER that the White House became a battleground after the impeachment controversy moved into overdrive. "The verbal fights between Bill and Hillary have been escalating and now the President has been physically assaulted." "Hillary just snapped. She lost it and smacked the President upside the head. He was stunned. The hit was so hard it left a visible bruise, and he put on makeup for several days to cover the red spot." The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that the ENQUIRER is planning to run the account in a Cover Page Screamer. "Secret Service agents had to physically separate them to keep the apart. Hillary went off to another room. At one point the President told an agent, 'Keep that bitch away from me. I don't want to do anything that'll get me in more trouble." The ENQUIRER reveals that just hours before the couple walked out of the Wh Name: email: Message: London Times / Hillary hits the Net and bruises Bill
Clinton as Jesus, Republicans as Sadducees
Bill Clinton, obviously, is no Jesus Christ. . . . But indulge me in a political parable. A besieged conservative establishment that claims absolute custodianship; of a nation's laws furiously defends its dwindling power base against a charismatic upstart from the sticks. Showing a certain blithe contempt for those laws, the new guy challenges the whole concept of what that nation is.
Where his opponents have thrived on division and exclusion, he lays hands on just about everyone, rich and poor, sinners and saints, hipsters and squares, red and yellow, black and white, even women. In return, the reward him with a mysteriously enduring faith. . . .
These right-wing Republicans are like the Sadducees of the Jewish nation, the reactionary vested interests who carried out their narrow agenda through a strict interpretation of Jewish law--a code in which God's law was inseparable from the nation's law. The Republican's impeachment mantra--"the rule of law "--ostensibly referred to the Constitution.
But their conflation of American law and the absolutist word of a fundamentalist's God was made sensationally clear on Saturday, when Speaker-elect Robert Livingston stood in the well of the House and declared himself a sinner, urging his fellow adulterer in the White House to follow his example in abdicating his post. . . . Clinton's arch-enemies, meanwhile, flog the pieties of their "born again" doctrine, even as their most obvious secular icon is the country's corporate grim reaper, the tobacco industry. Theirs is a static vision of humankind as debased and shameful, condemned before a punitive God.
. . . That is Clinton's other blasphemy in the eyes of his enemies. By disgracing the sacrosanct office of the presidency, he also demystified the patriarchy that has run the country for its share of the closing millennium.
Name: Spartacus
Since the Sadducees were the ruling class of the Judea of Jesus' time, providing most of the high priests and cooperating more fully with the Roman government than any other class of Jews of the time, the analogy falls apart in its very first line. If the Republicans were modern Sadducees, their first inclination would be to cooperate with and prop up Clinton, rather than to try to destroy him!
And even if McWhorter MEANT to say Pharisees, rather than Sadducees, even that doesn't work, since the Pharisees had no interest in government, many of them actually supported Jesus (some modern scholarship is convinced Jesus himself was a Pharisee), and those who were anti-Jesus were so because they believed he was a walking blasphemy, not because of his thoughts or actions concerning government.
Clinton's supporters speak not only from blindness, but also from ignorance.
A reading from the 3rd book of Hillary 27 9-14
...then he took the pizza, sliced it. Gave it to his Democrap supporters and said, "Take this all of you and eat it. For this is the crust of my legacy, and it is cheese. Eat this and get a censure for me!" When they were finished, he took his mia culpa, gave thanks and said to "Take this all of you and choke it down. For this is my apology. an apology where I'll never say I'm sorry or that I lied. Do this and then censure me!"
Name: JESUS
Message: NONE ARE SO DEAF AS THOSE WHO DO NOT HEAR.
Name: Witch Hazel
email: witches@brooms.com
Message: To all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And Happy Holidays to all our non-Christian citizens of the United States! May the new year bring us harmony and peace and goodwill towards all men and women. Let's reflect on the meaning of Christmas and look into our hearts to forgive and forget and move on towards something more meaningful than the Presidential plight. Those of us who like Bill Clinton despite his flaws will never be persuaded that what the GOP and the Christian Coalition has done is right. Those of us who hate Clinton with an unreasonable, withering hatred, will never be convinced that he is fit to lead. So let's declare a truce. Let the Senate hold the trial but make it as dignified as possible. Let the people's voices be heard that they really don't want to lose this president because he HAS been good for the country and the economy. Let Hillary Clinton be rewared in this life and the next for being a splendid person, a strong leader, a good role model for all women and for being a candidate for PRESIDENT IN 2000! That's my prayer for the season. What's yours?
Message: Can't GOP men believe that women WANT to have sex with Clinton? Get over it, Republicans. The man's sexy.
Name: Housewife/Professional
email: a_moreta@hotmail.com
Message: Hilary, If I may call you? You have earned your tittle as Lady of the White House. I admire you for your ability to handle yourself, your family and your husband. Mr. Clinton is the President of the United Satates of America and I respect him but you have taken everything a step further. Sex is secondary!! Abilities and accurances is first. I admire you for standing your husband and showing the world that their is more to life than sex. Understanding love and comprehension between a couple is what really matters. I know that it must hurt what he did even though men do not mean to be in those situations but us women do tend to push them into doing what many times they do not even want to by attacking their ego, but those are men as we know. I am not a femenist I am only a mother, a wife, a friend,a daughter and a professional. When you think about it how did men ever get to rule when many times they think with their ....instead with their heads. I hope you are laughing at this point because I am. Mr. Clinton has done alot for us Americans and I hope that he continues until it is time for him to leave office. After I hope that you run for office You have my vote.
Name: Daisey chains
Message: I like to dream about being house wife to Hillary Clinton.
Name: c harvey
email: charvey@shaw.wave.ca
Message: Hillary: We think you're the tops. As we women sit around with the guys in kitchen (it's a boy/girl party), we can't imagine how you're going to win in this situation. When this began we thought dump the guy, pack his bags, and run for office - hell we all know that you're the brains behind the whole operation. But now, we are thinking you must have a plan. Let us in. Or are you really a Mother Tereasa type. Anyway, whatever, it's really none of our business although it is on tv every night. Merry Christmas, and good luck with whatever you do, you must be wiser than me, because I'd be hanging from a rafter right now.
Name: FDR's Ghost
Message: Why doesn't it surprise me that members of the right have nothing better to do than post a message on a Hillary Clinton website. No wonder why most people think of Republicans as geeks and hypocrites. Why not find a nice tribute site to Rush or the Old Gipper(Reagan). Don't you people have lives of any sort or are politics your only release from your mundane existance? Before someone claims that Democrats are the geeks, hypocrites, and obsessed ones please look at and really listen to Bob Barr, Mark Levine, Michael Reagan, Bob Dornan, Julianne Goldberg, and Tom Delay concerning subjects other than Clinton. If they speak for a majority of Americans, I guess America has become a very acrimonious country with a great deal of malice towards many, not just the president. Merry X-MAS Hillary and other Democrats; I hope this mess is over someday soon.
Name: David A. Hanson
email: jisena@gte. net
Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very proud of our President, and I am especially proud of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, you have the right plan to stay strong, and continue in your good work. You can always know how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think it is an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Do you think Vice President AL Gore would mind staying as our Vice President? In any case, I would have to give you my vote. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and ever well wisher, Jayasena das.
email: jisena@gte.net
Message: Dear First Lady, Hare Krishna. I am very grateful and proud of our President. And I am especially proud and grateful of you. Lord Krishna say's, "One who always strives to do good is never overcome by evil." Therefore, your plan to stay strong, and continue in your invaluble, good work is the right course. You can always judge how good a job you're doing by how fierce your enemies attack you. As for your idea to run for President, I think that would be an excellent plan. I support you 100%. Would Vice President Al Gore keep his present post? I would have to give you my vote in any case. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your beloved family. Your servant and well wisher, Jayasena das.
Name: BART
Message: THERE IS A SAN FRANCISCO RAG CALLED "THE ORGANIZER". AT LEAST THEIR EDITORS IDENTIFY RHEM SELVES AS SOCIALIST. THE EDITORS OF THIS SITE HVE NEVER PROVIDED THE READERS OF THIS FORUM WITH THE PROPER CREDENTIALS. THEY NEVER WILL. THEIR IDENTITY WILL TURN MOST VISITERS AWAY. THEY ARE WOULD BE THOUGHT REFORMISTS AND SOCIAL ENGINEERS, THEY THINK. Why don't you read the publicity sometime.
Name: Editors to LVD
Message: We have deleted your messages because you cannot control your language. We have told you this time and time again but you do not get the message. You have a right to express your opinion but you do not have a right to abuse us. As we have said before we are not your spitoon. It's unfortunate that you have so little command over the English language that you cannot write a respectful message. Every other word you write is "morons, idiots, evil, hypocrites, stupid, etc" We just cannot have that low-life, ill-bred language on this forum. Can't you state your case without personal abuse? What level of society do you mix with?
Name: abc
email: abc@internet
Message: To: KIM RICHARD NIXON LIED ABOUT CHEATING AMERICAN PEOPLE BILL CLINTON LIED ABOUT HIS PRIVATE MARTTER(A COMMON MISTAKE). WHICH ONE IS HEAVIER AND WORTH TO BE PUNISHED? AND DON'T TELL ME THAT YOU ARE A PERFECT PERSON EVER! SO, DON'T TEACH YOUR SON A PERFECT LESSON, SOME DAY HE WILL LAUGH AT YOU! WE ARE HUMAN BEING AND LAWS ARE ALSO MADE BY US!
Name: Jay R. Marshall
Message: With "friends" like former presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerals Ford, who needs enemies like Trent Lott and Bob Barr? The latest "ex-prez" proposal would censure President Clinton but require him to "acknowledge" perjury.
Hithertofore, only totalitarian countries compel the accused in political trials to confess falsely. President Clinton believes (rightly) that he did not lie; and he is entitled to the presumption of his innocence. Ironically, they are asking him to lie about lying to save his presidency.
Furthermore, the calculated vagueness of Article 1 boscures the precise "lies" to which he should confess. The commonest of criminals is provided a bill of particulars. Is Clinton supposed to make a generic statement, "I lied", and let us debate into the millennium what he lied about?
In all these matters, President Clinton is entitled to due process; and his is long overdue.
Name: William J. Michael
email: Cupertino, California
Message: In praising the sacrifice of Representative Bob Livingston let me point out one basic fact: Without having so much as admitted to a misdemeanor, the speaker-elect let himself be run out of Washington by Larry Flynt. Now, with all due respect to Mr. Livingston's moral principles, someone who lives by a standard so rigid that it effectively permits the leadership of the U.S. House of Representatives to be manipulated by Hustler magazine is not the kind of role model I want my president to follow!
Name: Outraged Parent: What my children have learned
email: Hypocrites, hypocrites and more hypocrites
Message: My children have learned that it's OK to cheat on your wife if you are a Republican, but not if you are a Democrat.
They have also learned that Republicans believe that lying under oath to human beings is a worse sin than lying under a greater oath -- the marriage vows taken in God's name, or lying to ones wife or husband. Lies to ones spouse which undermines the marriage and "family values" is not as bad as lying to a grand jury.
Is it any wonder that Generation "X" does not vote. Congress is full of hypocrites.
Name: OUTRAGED in Seattle
Message: Clinton must be punished. We cannot let a raping, lying, cheating, felonious perjurer get away with a lifetime of crime. We must make an example out of him for the sake of our children. Our children must know that a six year witch hunt is not a sufficient punishment for a man that cheats on his wife and then lies about it. The ultimate capitol punishment is called for, we will stand for nothing less. Capitol punishment for a president is impeachment. We Republican Christians, keepers of the nation's morality, do hereby declare that we will fight to the end to set an example for our children, the nation and to God. The scumbag pot-smoking philanderer-in-chief, liar, cheat, rapist, will pay for his crimes.
We Republicans have secret information on hundreds of women he has raped and abused. A picture of Clinton exposing his bent dick to three voluptuous naked interns in the Oval Office will soon be published in the Weekly Standard. All will come out at the trial.
Name: Amanda Best
email: athena1103
Message: Dear Mrs. Clinton: I would like to ask you a question. How do you lay your head down on your pillow at night next to a man whom you know has had numerous affairs with other women? I have greatly admired the fact that you have, as a woman, climbed the political ladder all the way to the top and on your way have done great things for education and health care reform, but I cannot figure out why you would support a husband who has had numerous affairs, including one with a person young enough to be his daughter! The message that you are sending out to me and all the other women in this country is: "The only reason I am supporting my husband is so that I won't loose my political power. Nevermind the fact that he has had numerous affairs with dozens of women, I like the position of power that I am in and I intend to keep it no matter what it takes." I will only hope that one day you will wake-up and realize that you deserve someone a lot better and who will not disgrace your name and all that you have accomplished. Thanks, Amanda
Name: Bart
email: To Editors
Message: Those are your opinions. Thank you very much any way. The reading public need to read more regarding your views. Glad you found the courage to 'come out', even though it was just a meager attempt. Please do not deleate your message.
Name: Bugs Bunny
Message: Hi Everybody. Why can't everyone be nice to one another, its Christmas, not Halloween. LOL So, Merry Xmas everyone and you too LVD bless your little heart and SFLiberals may the holidays be kind to you all. If you're nice Santa will visit your house tonite. LoL.
email: Megalo@lcc.net
Message: Meet me in St.LouieA St.Louie
Name: Editors and SFLiberals to All
Message: Merry Christmas to you too Bugs, and everyone else who has participated in this forum all these years. As you can see by some of the publicity on www.hillary.org, we have become internationally famous at no cost at all! We have been interviewed and invitations extended by other media as well as those listed. This is all quite remarkable since we don't have advertisers, nor do we get money from anyone, although we're hoping someday somebody will fund us to improve this forum. We have lots of ideas.
What we have found on this forum over time is that even though we fight with others who have opposite views, we also express love for one another occasionally, and that is an interesting and beautiful result on such a simple forum. If only we could duplicate it and make it happen everywhere.
Have a very Merry Christmas. We look forward to many more arguments, fights, breaking news and revelations in the pursuit of truth. We love you all.
Name: Mrs Doubtfire
Message: LVD This has nothing to do with politics. What do you think of women who have been Married and divorced and have kids, wearing a WHITE BRIDAL GOWN and actually having the kids in the wedding ceremony.
Name: Saddam Hussein
email: Saddam@IraqRules.gov
Message: Greetings American Warlords! Saddam wishes American people Merry Ramadan. Saddam and the Iraqi people generously sending imperialist captor Bill Clinton one of Saddam's favorite goats. Mr. President: Goat always ready, always gracious, always very very good. If goat talk to Secret Service or press, then you Bar-B-Q goat and send it to your Al Gore for lunch. This is what Saddam does to mistresses who get out of line. By the way, I lose photographs of Saddam with American Loooooooveboat Christiane Amanpour. If you find them, have David Kendall send them back. It will do your Mr. Kendall good to see photographs, sort of like spending night with Monica AND My Goat. Ah! Heaven!
Name: American Warlords to Saddam Hussein
Message: Merry Ramadan to you too Saddam. We are honored that you paid us this visit tonight, so late on Christmas Eve as it quietly merges into the most holy of seasons for both of us.
Photos of Christiane Amanpour, your American loveboat, are on their way to you, with regards from imperialist captor, Bill. He told me to tell you it never crossed his mind about your scapegoat idea, but that could work! Your strategies definitely have survival value so this may be just the ticket. Thank you for your suggestion.
American Warlords
Name: Mary Herzig
email: MHE7301502@aol.com
Message: Wishes you and your family a Merry Christmas and Mr. Starr a not so good one.
Name: Democrats & Republicans Greatest Fear!
email: Non_apllicable@na.com
Message: Maybe I'm stupid but I don't get that "Democrats & Republican Greatest Fear" image above. Could somebody explain.
Name: FROM TIME MAGAZINE December 28, 1998
email: by Richard Lacayo
Message: Where the Right went Wrong In backing Starr's witch hunt, conservatives fell in love with Big Government Excerpts from Time Magazine article by Richard Lacayo
How did conservatives, who used to boast that they were at one with ordinary Americans, get it so wrong? The answer begins with the end of the cold war, when the collapse of the Soviet Union gave them the opportunity to focus on the culture wars at home. Optimistic libertarians, the kind who believe that free choice is good and that free markets foster it, are stillto be found in the Republican Party. But the more influential voices on the right these days are bleaker. They see America becoming a cesspit of promiscuity.....
For them, government interference with private economic behavior remains a bad thing, but regulation of other kinds of private behavior, chiefly meaning sex, issomething America needs more of. This is the line of thought represented most famously by Robert Bork in his 1996 best seller, Slouching Towards Gomorrah. Bork warns that America is in the grip of a radical individualism that recognizes no limit to the right of personal gratification, one for which the pleasure principle is the only principle that counts....
..conservatives find themselves entertaining the thought that we have all become so heedless and self-regarding that we can no longer be relied upon to make moral judgments. This summer James Dobson, the Christian radio broadcaster, was all but calling for a new American people to replace the defective present model. Before the Clinton-Lewinsky-Starr thing is over, it will have pushed conservatism into an oddball neo-Platonism, one that envisions an ideal "American pe
Message: X X X X X REPORT: WHITE HOUSE FIGHT; SECRET SERVICE PULLS FURIOUS FIRST LADY OFF PRESIDENT THU DEC 24, 1998 16:08:55 UTC -- Hillary Clinton has finally snapped! The NATIONAL ENQUIRER is set to report in its January 5, 1999 edition: The First Lady has physically attacked the President, hitting him so hard she left a visible mark on his face -- and Secret Service agents had to separate them. The DRUDGE REPORT trusts the account to be accurate and non-libelous because the NATIONAL ENQUIRER and President Bill Clinton use the same law firm, Williams & Connolly! In fact, Clinton's private lawyer, David Kendall, has directly done work for the tabloid through the years. "Keep that bitch away from me!" Bill Clinton told one Secret Service agent. One inside source tells the ENQUIRER that the White House became a battleground after the impeachment controversy moved into overdrive. "The verbal fights between Bill and Hillary have been escalating and now the President has been physically assaulted." "Hillary just snapped. She lost it and smacked the President upside the head. He was stunned. The hit was so hard it left a visible bruise, and he put on makeup for several days to cover the red spot." The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that the ENQUIRER is planning to run the account in a Cover Page Screamer. "Secret Service agents had to physically separate them to keep the apart. Hillary went off to another room. At one point the President told an agent, 'Keep that bitch away from me. I don't want to do anything that'll get me in more trouble." The ENQUIRER reveals that just hours before the couple walked out of the Wh
Message: London Times / Hillary hits the Net and bruises Bill
london times12 26 98 London Times / FROM IAN BRODIE JUST when it seemed that Bill and Hillary Clinton had suffered enough humiliation, the online Drudge Report claimed yesterday that she had struck him during a White House fight. A furious Mrs Clinton was said to have "snapped" and hit Mr Clinton so hard that she left a visible bruise on his face. Secret Service agents had to separate them, it was said. Matt Drudge has been compared to an 18th-century pamphleteer for the way he rushes unconfirmed gossip on to his website. The difference, of course, is that his message is conveyed to an audience far bigger than the habitués of a London coffee- shop. His latest revelation comes not from his own inside sources but from those of the National Enquirer, the supermarket tabloid, which he says will have a report about the fight in next week's issue. According to this account, the White House became a battleground as the impeachment controversy moved into overdrive. Verbal fights between the Clintons escalated until the President was physically assaulted. "Keep that bitch away from me!" Mr Clinton was said to have told one agent. The President was also reported to have been stunned when his wife "lost it" and smacked him. He was hit so hard that he had to put on makeup for several days to cover the red spot, according to the Enquirer, quoted by Mr Drudge. The online publisher adds that there was an "explosion" last Saturday, with Mrs Clinton doing most "screaming". Hours later, the couple walked hand in hand into the White House grounds for a rally with fellow Democrats after the impeachment vote. The White House refuses to comment on tabloid reporting or on the Drudge Report. "I won't respond to gossip and innuendo," said Amy Weiss, deputy press secretary to the President. A spokeswoman for Mrs Clinton could not be reached. There have been reports before of shouting matches between the Clintons, followed by a rapid kiss-and-make-up. In one unconfirmed episode soon after they moved into the White House, she was said to have hurled a lamp in her husband's direction. It is no secret she was seriously aggrieved by his relationship with Monica Lewinsky and let it be known that she was among those deceived by his denials. But she also says that she remains committed to her marriage. Mr Drudge said he trusted the account to be accurate because the Enquirer and Mr Clinton use the same Washington law firm, Williams and Connolly. The advent of the Web as a conduit for thrusting gossip into the public domain has caught many off guard in US politics and the mainstream media. Only last week, Dan Burton, a Republican congressman and harsh critic of Mr Clinton, was accused of sexual shenanigans by the online magazine Salon. Mr Drudge sprang to fame last January when he became the first to report Mr Clinton's liaisons with Ms Lewinsky after Newsweek held back. On the impeachment front, Daniel Moynihan, a senior Democratic senator, issued a warning yesterday that moves to oust Mr Clinton might "destabilise the Presidency". For the sake of the republic, Mr Clinton should be censured, he said. not for commercial use Name: email: Message: Goldberg File: BILL'S IDEA OF A NEWSMAGAZINE
JUST when it seemed that Bill and Hillary Clinton had suffered enough humiliation, the online Drudge Report claimed yesterday that she had struck him during a White House fight.
A furious Mrs Clinton was said to have "snapped" and hit Mr Clinton so hard that she left a visible bruise on his face. Secret Service agents had to separate them, it was said.
Matt Drudge has been compared to an 18th-century pamphleteer for the way he rushes unconfirmed gossip on to his website. The difference, of course, is that his message is conveyed to an audience far bigger than the habitués of a London coffee- shop.
His latest revelation comes not from his own inside sources but from those of the National Enquirer, the supermarket tabloid, which he says will have a report about the fight in next week's issue. According to this account, the White House became a battleground as the impeachment controversy moved into overdrive. Verbal fights between the Clintons escalated until the President was physically assaulted.
"Keep that bitch away from me!" Mr Clinton was said to have told one agent. The President was also reported to have been stunned when his wife "lost it" and smacked him. He was hit so hard that he had to put on makeup for several days to cover the red spot, according to the Enquirer, quoted by Mr Drudge. The online publisher adds that there was an "explosion" last Saturday, with Mrs Clinton doing most "screaming". Hours later, the couple walked hand in hand into the White House grounds for a rally with fellow Democrats after the impeachment vote.
The White House refuses to comment on tabloid reporting or on the Drudge Report. "I won't respond to gossip and innuendo," said Amy Weiss, deputy press secretary to the Presi
dent. A spokeswoman for Mrs Clinton could not be reached.
There have been reports before of shouting matches between the Clintons, followed by a rapid kiss-and-make-up. In one unconfirmed episode soon after they moved into the White House, she was said to have hurled a lamp in her husband's direction. It is no secret she was seriously aggrieved by his relationship with Monica Lewinsky and let it be known that she was among those deceived by his denials. But she also says that she remains committed to her marriage.
Mr Drudge said he trusted the account to be accurate because the Enquirer and Mr Clinton use the same Washington law firm, Williams and Connolly.
The advent of the Web as a conduit for thrusting gossip into the public domain has caught many off guard in US politics and the mainstream media. Only last week, Dan Burton, a Republican congressman and harsh critic of Mr Clinton, was accused of sexual shenanigans by the online magazine Salon. Mr Drudge sprang to fame last January when he became the first to report Mr Clinton's liaisons with Ms Lewinsky after Newsweek held back.
On the impeachment front, Daniel Moynihan, a senior Democratic senator, issued a warning yesterday that moves to oust Mr Clinton might "destabilise the Presidency". For the sake of the republic, Mr Clinton should be censured, he said.
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Message: Goldberg File: BILL'S IDEA OF A NEWSMAGAZINE
http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg.html Jonah Goldberg BILL'S IDEA OF A NEWSMAGAZINE White House spokespinner Joe Lockhart has announced it is not the President's place to call off James Carville or his Dorian Gray, Larry Flynt. Indeed, Lockhart called Hustler a "newsmagazine" until the White House press corps nearly gagged up a lung. He retracted, and called Hustler merely a "magazine." There is so much here that you can be assured of further treatment in future files. But, a cursory review of the hypocrisy is required. James Carville said on Meet the Press over the summer that he is the President's man and will do what he tells him. He was talking about who Carville would support for the Democratic nomination, but the precedent was well-elucidated that Carville did his boss's bidding in things political. During the summer, Mr. Lockhart's predecessor, Mike McMcurry (who now doubts whether Clinton is fit for office), said it was out of the President's power to stop Carville's craven and disgusting attacks on Ken Starr. Mr. Clinton, apparently, still believes this. Because even though he has, all of his life, deplored the politics of personal destruction, he can't bring himself to call on the one person HE ACTUALLY HAS INFLUENCE OVER and ask him to stop. He can make sweeping wholesale statements on national television but he can't be bothered to work retail when he might be successful. How is it not the President's place? Explain that to me! It's okay to be sanctimonious to millions, but inappropriate to make a phone call to an employee and old friend? Now, as for Larry Flynt, Hollywood and the know-nothing cultural elite made Flynt a hero in the movie The People vs. Larry Flynt. The film tapped into the prevailing notion that sexual depravity is a civil right, even though Hustler is casual about depicting rape and various other things the Left is supposed to stand against. Indeed, the one place the Christian Right and the neo-prude feminists can agree is that Hustler is disgusting. The film -- with a small role for none other than James Carville -- didn't have the guts to portray what the real magazine is like. Instead, the movie suggested that Hustler is Playboy with a more risqué sense of humor. Hustler is no Playboy, it ain't even Jugs. And Larry Flynt ain't no Hugh Heffner. The President, again, thinks it is inappropriate to disassociate himself from Hustler by condemning what its publisher is doing. So much for a brave stand against sexual McCarthyism. So much for Bill Clinton's lifelong commitment to denouncing the politics of personal destruction. Name: email: Message:
White House spokespinner Joe Lockhart has announced it is not the President's place to call off James Carville or his Dorian Gray, Larry Flynt.
Indeed, Lockhart called Hustler a "newsmagazine" until the White House press corps nearly gagged up a lung. He retracted, and called Hustler merely a "magazine." There is so much here that you can be assured of further treatment in future files. But, a cursory review of the hypocrisy is required.
James Carville said on Meet the Press over the summer that he is the President's man and will do what he tells him. He was talking about who Carville would support for the Democratic nomination, but the precedent was well-elucidated that Carville did his boss's bidding in things political.
During the summer, Mr. Lockhart's predecessor, Mike McMcurry (who now doubts whether Clinton is fit for office), said it was out of the President's power to stop Carville's craven and disgusting attacks on Ken Starr. Mr. Clinton, apparently, still believes this. Because even though he has, all of his life, deplored the politics of personal destruction, he can't bring himself to call on the one person HE ACTUALLY HAS INFLUENCE OVER and ask him to stop.
He can make sweeping wholesale statements on national television but he can't be bothered to work retail when he might be successful. How is it not the President's place? Explain that to me! It's okay to be sanctimonious to millions, but inappropriate to make a phone call to an employee and old friend?
Now, as for Larry Flynt, Hollywood and the know-nothing cultural elite made Flynt a hero in the movie The People vs. Larry Flynt. The film tapped into the prevailing notion that sexual depravity is a civil right, even though Hustler is casual about depicting rape and various other things the Left is supposed to stand against. Indeed, the one place the Christian Right and the neo-prude feminists can agree is that Hustler is disgusting. The film -- with a small role for none other than James Carville -- didn't have the guts to portray what the real magazine is like. Instead, the movie suggested that Hustler is Playboy with a more risqué sense of humor. Hustler is no Playboy, it ain't even Jugs. And Larry Flynt ain't no Hugh Heffner. The President, again, thinks it is inappropriate to disassociate himself from Hustler by condemning what its publisher is doing. So much for a brave stand against sexual McCarthyism. So much for Bill Clinton's lifelong commitment to denouncing the politics of personal destruction.
Pity poor Bill Clinton, impugned and finally impeached by an imaginary vast right-wing conspiracy. The same Bill Clinton who has governed by polls and focus groups instead of principle, vilified and persecuted his political opponents, destroyed personal lives and public comity at every turn, but now calls for reconciliation.
After being impeached for lying under oath, as well as obstruction of justice, Clinton still can't stop revising events to suit himself, still can't stop lying, ``For six years now, I have done everything I could to bring our country together across the lines that divide us, including bringing Washington together across party lines. . . We must stop the politics of personal destruction. We must get rid of the poisonous venom of excessive partisanship, obsessive animosity and uncontrolled anger.''
That statement transcends mere lying. It is nothing less than the most profound historical revisionism. In 1992, Mr. Clinton chose a running mate widely known in the Congress for his rudeness, partisanship and extremism. After their election, Mr. Clinton looked the other way while Al Gore tried, throughout government agencies and departments, to clean out civil servants he and his staff disliked, violating the protections of the civil service regulations. Likewise, Gore's minions have muzzled and punished government employees who disagree with his views of scientific issues such as global warming. (It should be noted for the record that the vice- president lies regularly, too, but has had the good sense, or good luck, not to be caught doing it under oath.)
The ``Travelgate'' scandal resulted from Hillary Clinton's insistence that the president's staff fire and then trump up federal criminal charges against employees in the White House travel office (all were later acquitted). White House staff, attorneys and friends have viciously trashed anyone who complained of unethical or illegal treatment by the president. Who can forget James Carville's unforgivable quip about Paula Jones, that when you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer-park, you never know what you'll attract. Or Carville's attempts to intimidate members of Congress, by threatening to expose their secrets.
The ultimate irony is that the president's impeachment would certainly not have been possible without a Republican-controlled Congress, and that development was his own fault. What led to the Republican majority in 1994 was not the party's Contract with America (polls showed that only 17 per cent of Americans had even heard of it), but the debacle of Hillary Clinton's attempt to craft radical health care reform. (That is exactly why First Ladies are not entrusted with politically volatile projects.) I saw the ``Harry and Louise'' TV ads -- in which that average American couple explained that the Clinton proposals were expensive, intrusive, unfair and unworkable -- so often that it seemed they were my house guests. Also, Mrs. Clinton's arrogance and attempts to hatch the plan in secrecy (eventually foiled by the courts) stuck in Americans' craw. (Since then, a carefully orchestrated White House PR campaign, aided by the sympathy factor, has improved her poll ratings dramatically.)
The sad facts are that Bill Clinton and his gang are the most arrogant, partisan, rancorous and ruthless politicians within living memory, and that the president continues to lie compulsively on subjects both private and public. There cannot be reconciliation while they are in power.
By Dan Schnur
Sacramento Bee
Dec. 21, 1998
Remarkably, the interest of the nation remained focused in other directions. But this past Saturday, shortly after the next speaker of the House of Representatives resigned because of extra-marital affairs and just before the White House hosted a pep rally for House Democrats, the president of the United States was impeached.
Because the country suffers a surplus of self-appointed constitutional experts, there is no need to expend energy in this space discussing the specifics of either the impeachment or the upcoming Senate trial.
Congress believes that the president lied to a grand jury, and the country agrees. The president insists that he should not resign. The country agrees, at least for the time being. Whether the electorate's inner conflicts resolve themselves, and in what manner, is anyone's guess.
Political fallout, on the other hand, is what this column's all about. So a mere 23 months before the next election, the arguments over the fate of those members of Congress who voted on either side of the articles of impeachment have already begun in earnest.
Critics of impeachment complain that Republicans who voted against the president did so primarily as a result of fear from a primary challenge. They warn that those members will instead be victims of a backlash from angry voters. While making their case more quietly, GOP strategists are already eyeing potentially vulnerable Democratic members as re-election targets for voting against the impeachment.
Political prognosticating two years in advance is a fool's errand -- or, perhaps, a columnist's. But let it be written here today that no candidate of either party will pay a political price for his or her vote by losing a 2000 re-election campaign.
The one possible exception to that forecast would be a candidate who is foolish enough to run for re-election on a campaign platform that emphasizes that vote above all others. But just as Republicans suffered in last month's midterm elections by ignoring the issues in favor of concentrating solely on the Clinton scandals, neither party can hope to benefit by emphasizing the opposition's stance on impeachment at the expense of public policy discussion.
For the sake of argument, let's assume that no incumbent attempts to convince the voters that the vote on impeachment was the most relevant to his re-election prospects. The question still remains whether either party can successfully target otherwise vulnerable House members by raising the impeachment issue. Similar arguments surrounded Congress' 1991 vote in support of then-President Bush's intentions to go to war against Iraq. A number of congressional Democrats voted against U.S. intervention amid dire predictions that they would pay for those votes with their offices when facing the voters a year later.
But few incumbent Democrats lost that year, and Bush, who was widely considered a shoo-in for re-election at the conclusion of the Gulf War, lost.
Over the course of the subsequent 14 months, the electorate shifted its focus from foreign policy to economic policy and cast votes accordingly.
Similarly, unless Clinton's Senate trial actually drags into the 2000 general election campaign, an occurrence well beyond the prediction of even the most pessimistic observers, it's difficult to see the president's potential removal from office overshadowing concerns of public policy more directly relevant to the lives of the voters.
In virtually any other political environment, the preceding statement would be rightly dismissed as preposterous. But the American public, while still supportive of this president, appears to possess little loyalty for him. National polls taken before the impeachment vote showed a large, and climbing, plurality of voters extraordinarily comfortable with the idea of Clinton's resignation in order to avoid a lengthy Senate trial.
Congressional leaders, rabidly supporting Bill Clinton on partisan grounds, hold little personal affection for him. And Democratic strategists have already begun to talk about the political benefits of an incumbent President Al Gore seeking re-election in 2000.
All of which suggests that the voters believe there are matters of far greater importance to their lives than whether Clinton or Gore sits in the Oval Office for the next two years. The White House prepared for the impeachment vote by pointing to poll numbers opposing impeachment. So the president's advisers waited for the public outrage to rise up in support of those polls and frighten Congress into reconsideration.
But with the exceptions of Alec Baldwin, Betty Friedan and Toni Morrison, the outrage never came.
The voters disapproved of impeachment just as they would disapprove of any significant action that would not develop to their immediate benefit. But they didn't really care that strongly about it. And if they regarded the potential removal of a president from office so blithely as it actually moved forward, it's unlikely that they will summon a great deal of emotion on the subject two years from now.
So Tom Campbell can relax. His high-tech backers have larger concerns.
Likewise will be the case with U.S. Reps. Brian Bilbray, Ellen Tauscher and other would-be swing votes. They may or may not be vulnerable to re-election challenge two years from now, but the impeachment of Bill Clinton will play at best a small role in the process. Appropriately enough.
Name: judy bosniadis
email: jbcrs@aol.com
Message: I believe Hillary could win the election in 2000 and I would campaign for her. I like the idea of Bill being first gentleman and staying at the white house for another term or two. The american people see through this ridiculos sham of the Republican Party. Let me know how I can help!
Name: nadia farah
email: nfarah@idirect.ca
Message: To the First Lady: Keep doing what you are doing. You are in an odd position like many other women. In short, you have my admiration! Nadia Farah www.twdg.com/cooking e-mail: nfarah@idirect.ca
Name: Bud
email: HEY EVERYBODY
Message: AMERICAN MOVIE CLASICS IS PRESENTING FRANK SINATRA IN "THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE", TONIGHT AT 6:00 PM, ON AMC (AMERICAN MOVIE CLASSICS).
Name: The Glass House
email: Mary Nelson
Message: I'm bewildered. Why did Representative Bob Livingston resign? He didn't perjure himself. He didn't obstruct justice. Is it possible, in spite of all the vehement denials from Republicans it really is about sex?
I think it is time for all congressional fornicators to take 10 steps forward, so that the remaining congresspersons without sin, if any, may cast their stones/votes.
Name: ALL LIES ARE NOT EQUAL
email: Maurice Englander
Message: Those hypocrites arguing that all lies are equal and that the duty of a parent is to teach children not to lie, can now stop lying about Santa Claus. They can stop lying about Easter Bunnies and baby-carrying storks and cabbage patches where babies are left off by confused delivery men. Who teaches children to lie? Who else but parents who generously excuse themselves when they lie to their children and to others in front of their children. Who teaches children to lie in self defense.
Enough of hypocrisy on this matter. We know that not all lies are equal. Lying about sex, event to a grand jury, is not lie to die for, politically or otherwise. If we removed all liars from Congress we wouldn't have one left. They know it, and we know it, so what's all the fuss about?
San Francisco Chronicle 12/26/98 - EDITORIALS
HOUSE REPUBLICAN Whip Tom DeLay and Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt should be ignored by the U.S. Senate when it takes up the impeachment case.
Each man appears determined to drag the debate down to his own gutter level.
DeLay, the Texas ideologue, is willing to discard any semblance of fairness or due process in his crusade to oust President Clinton. Flynt, the smut peddler, is trying to mix a big batch of sleaze into the public discourse under the guise of exposing congressional hypocrisy.
They should both just go away.
DeLay's use of this hearsay evidence against Clinton in the House makes a mockery of his sanctimonious talk about ``absolute morality'' and ``the rule of law.''
At least Flynt, who has made a fortune off misogynist trash, carries no pretense of morality. He offered $1 million for evidence of congressional adultery, and his sick trawl for dirty laundry led to the undoing of Speaker-elect Bob Livingston.
Flynt contends that he must ``fight fire with fire'' to assist a president who is being railroaded by a gang of hypocrites. He claims his detectives' snooping into divorce records has even turned up evidence of a Judiciary Committee member lying under oath about sex.
The whispers of Washington must not be allowed to drive the impeachment process any longer. If the case against Clinton reaches trial, the Senate proceedings should be public and most if not all aspects -- especially senators' deliberations --show it on
email: to M Lentz
Message: Mr. Lentz. Maybe you should go visit Arkansas. Arkansas is a bit more sophisticated than Washington DC. Arkansas was sophisticated enough to pass on the Bib Dummey & Red Herring Wife to our nations' capitol. The truth is that the more populated areas of America are 'Dumbing Down' at a faster than expected rate. Look at San Francisco. It is the most bigoted & prejudiced place in the nation. Those Southerners have been doing their homework. they be playing possum ...............
Name: Easter Bunny
Message: I am real Maurice.
Message: President Clinton wants lifetime learning loans at low interest rates. A great thing for the everchanging economy. When is the last time the Republicans come up with a good idea for the majority of the people. Its so hard to not to sling mud but hey the Republicans are so good at it. But moral indignatious and phoney morality backfired this time haha.
Name: Music for GOP's Political Suicide
Message: The music from M*A*S*H called "Suicide is Painless" is for the GOP to commit Political Suicide.
Name: Sexual Relationship
email: No sex - no perjury
Message: It's clear to me why the GOP are so angry. They think what Clinton and Monica did was a "sexual relationship." Poor Republicans, if that's all you guys get in your sexual relationships I feel very sorry for you. It also explains why the Republicans are so adamant about Clinton committing perjury, they honestly believe that he did! Poor Republicans, I don't want to make you feel even worse than you do now, but what Monica and Bill did is light years away from sex. Did the sexual revolution completely pass you by? I feel sorry for male Republicans, but I feel even sorrier for their poor wives who have been putting up with having to "service" their husbands instead of making love and having real sex. If that's what you call sex you have missed out on the best part of life. How sad for you. Unfortunately, because you are not getting any of the good stuff because you don't even know what it is, is no reason to take it out on the Democrats. It's never too late to learn. It's no wonder it's been reported in the news that Republicans are switching parties over to Democrat. The are disgusted with the GOP's definition of sex. Thank goodness, at least not all Republicans are willing to put up with this dumbed-down definition of sex.
Name: Sex & Service
email: The GOP don't know the difference
Message: The GOP writhe in misery Believing that service is sex So deprived of sexuality No wonder they're so angry Even Monica said it wasn't sex So sure of themselves the GOP March forward toward their destiny "If it's not sex then it's not perjury" But this the Republicans cannot see Their own deprived mentality
Name: cleo
Message: It's unfortunate people haven't really understood what all this is about. I su suspect I know too much. Am I the only visual artist who realizes Clinton did no did not look the public in the eye during the famous newscast. Look again folks folks, he does not look at the camera, therefore not the public. In fact like all the others his eyes glaze over, as if caught in a situation he has no control over, and is enraged that he was entrapped in deceit and lies. Perhaps you all should know what's happened to me. Like Ross Perot said in in 1992, This is all "NUTS". And you know he mentioned the former President terrorized his family, well the same thing has been done to me.
Message: I see, I have some typos, again . . . sorry, this is first mail sent on internet, not use to this. Perhaps a cartoonist could help Hillary out. If she knows Clinton did this, then a cartoon about her kicking him out of the House to the White House Dog house would be a way of showing us what she really feels about all this. But, first we need a Presidential Dog house on the south lawn. Since the Republicans have so much soft money from political fund raising they could provide the money for this long overdue house. But I suspect this is all about competition and the next Presidential Election. Perhaps, it's competition that has gone awry.
Name: Elenanor Roosevelt
email: The Liberal's Liberal
Message: Franklin had a girl friend and I hear that JFK had back trouble. The President having a girl friend is almost like a tradition.
Message: This New's Year eve we are having a political party. Everybody has to dress up like someone who is political. Dont't be suprised if you see two President Clintons, because he was cloned, so there is more of him to go around.
Message: To RMD love my country or leave.
Message: To RMD you are vicious so get lost pal.
Message: And hopefully the Iraq's will overthrow their dictator or else they will be pushing up daisies.
Message: The Republicans want to invest the social security monies into securities in the stock market and are the puppets of some rich and powerful people in this country.
Name: Dwight S. Brass
email: DBrass@aol.com
Message: Dear Ms. Clinton: I wanted to express my very strong objection to any sort of plea bargain for President Clinton. Clinton is clearly innocent of anything remotely resembling "high crimes and misdemeaners", and a plea for "reduced sentence" is rediculous. If the Republicans persist in this idiotic vengence, so be it. Let them hang themselves, given enough rope. Mr Clinton was elected twice by us, and we don't want a childish congress to overturn that election. We especially don't want them to "make the best" of their foolishness either, with a desparate stab at a "piece of flesh", in the form of a plea bargain. Please demand a trial, showing the Republicans foolishness for all to see. Ms. Clinton, you can be certain that the American people respect you and your husband for what you have worked for during the past years. We support you and Mr. Clinton 100%, and are not the least bit concerned about the turmoil created entirely by the Republicans. Yours very truly, Dwight S. Brass Wisconsin
Message: If it's NOT A "SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP", then it's NOT PERJURY Women don't think it's a "sexual relationship" but many Republican men do? Monica Lewinsky did not think she had a "sexual relationship" with Clinton, and said so to Linda Tripp in one of Tripps' illegal wiretaps. None of the women I know consider what Monica and Bill did a "sexual relationship." Monica "serviced" Bill. He gave nothing in return. That's what some men, especially Republican men in the House of Representatives call sex, but women don't.
It's an insult to women to equate "servicing" with sex. If that's what Republican wives must put up with for sex they are getting a very bad deal from their selfish husbands.
Most women agree with Monica. She was not having a sexual relationship with Bill, she was being "used" by him.
So... Conservative males, we females have got you in a Catch-22 dilemma: If you condemn Clinton for perjury you are also condemning yourselves as sexually immature selfish males, and by definition, lousy lovers. That's why you like snooping into other people's sex lives, especially the presidents, because you are trying to figure out what sex is all about. If you really knew you would not be snooping.
Message: Hate and more hate boy the Republicans and some of their Rush Limbaugh supporters must be here. He Rush wasnt a socialist but a Nazi who distorted f facts out of context and then sneered like some self rightess at the Democrats Rush and his bunch put themselves on a pedestal and looked down on non Conservatives or Religious Right or Non Christian Coalition screwballs and now you come on here and try again with your fascist garbage but now we are gonna get even with you hateful mean spirited people. Tell us some garbage and lies you HYPOCRITES. YOU and your bunch have been after the President since he took office You are self seeking power hungry swine. So, take that. A liberal is not a commie or a socialist fighting for social justice against bigots like the ones that come here and bash my President.
Name: A pretty woman
Message: Why does what is right or wrong moral or immoral have any thing to do with political parties. It is not something you learn from political parties. It is something we we learn from our parents. Its crazy the whole thing together with the arguments. He, the President did whatever he did, and he admitted it as a man. He did not do it because he was a democrat. Some of you are trying to use this to get the democrats. Al Capone wasnt a Democrat, it doesnt really matter. Your lifetime of crime is stupid to say. So is trying to blame one political party for the actions of one man. You are not educated people when you say that.
Message: Women want more from sex than just servicing a man in the way Monica did. Monica did not believe it was a "sexual relationship" and nor would most women. If you think that is a "sexual relationship" then I feel sorry for you.
Name: JACKAL
Message: To Easter Bunny:Get a cigar and cool yourself down!!!! Tired of your crying Love the easter egg hunter
Name: SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP
email: DEFINITION
Message: The definition of "sexual relationship' as defined by the sexes: WOMEN: That blessed union of mind, body, soul and spirit to attain transcendence. MEN: Blowjob
And therein lies the difference between women and many men. However, I am happy to say, there are some sexually mature males who strive for a transcendent union, but alas, there are not enough of them. Sexually immature males, not knowing of what they speak, ridicule the sex act as nothing more than selfish animal gratification. How sad for them. They are missing the greatest experience known to man.
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Name: Marian Monks
email: GOP's Family Values
Message: One positive outcome from the Clinton scandal may be that the Repubicans (and I am one) may choose to practice the family values they preach.
Name: Michael A. Rhea
Message: Looking back at one of the hardest years I've experienced in my short life, I must say that I am proud of the American people. Our own government has done everything in its power to bring us to our knees, but our will to survive and our own Constitution and rule of law will not allow it. Bravo to the people of America! The greatest democracy in the world is not in Washington, D.C., it is in the hearts of every living, breathing person across the U.S.
Name: Louk Wijsen
email: lwijsen@earthlink.net
Message: Why does the right wing have such difficulty understanding the strong and growing support for President Clinton? It is a simple application of the old Arab principle that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." The nation does not adore the president that much, but it really hates his enemies.
Name: A Scary Thought
Message: If Jerry Falwell and Richard Mellon Scaife disapprove of the results of the next presidential election, will we have to go through this all over again? William C. Edwards, Kernersville, N.C.
Name: EDITORS WANTED
email: Hillary Clinton Forum
Message: Part-time editors wanted for the Hillary Clinton Forum. Work from your own computer anywhere. We are looking for exciting minds who like debating political issues, and would like to see Hillary remain a powerful political figure and a leading contender for the presidency at some time in the future. You will need to have some knowledge of HTML and FTP. Apply to editors.wanted@hillary.org
Name: Jean Garcia
email: jgarcia@daisytek.com
Message: Hillary, With all of the people that aid with your mail, I hope that your may personally be able to read this message. I can not begin to imagine what your life must be like. I must say that with all of the attention you have received, I have been continually impressed by you. I admire your ongoing confidence, intelligence, strength, dedication, compassion, and beauty. I often find myself searching for positive role models for my darling daughters, you have become a role model for me as well as someone I encourage my children to admire. You are truly a role model for the women of our world. I have never written to a politician or celebrity before. I have never before held a great deal of respect for someone I did not know personally. Hillary, I have a great deal of respect for you and your ongoing accomplishments. If ever the opportunity was available, it would be a great honor to meet you personally. My thoughts and prayers are with you daily. Jean Garcia
Message: Talk on the Matt Drudge radio program points to information soon to be released about Bill Clinton fathering (and disowning?) at least one illegitimate child while he was Governor of Arkansas…..Larry Flynt may be sniffing this one out….Matt Drudge has seen a story that he says is much larger than Monica and it will break in the next 2 weeks – speculators say it may either be new evidence that Clinton rapped a woman while Arkansas Attorney General (Starr report Jane Doe #5 who received immunity) or evidence of Clinton’s many illegitimate children...developing but still in the rumor stage...
Name: Mark Quintanilla
email: Bacardiboi@aol.com
Message: I think Hillary Clinton is Awesome, I wish I could have a wife like that.. Hillary you're the bomb, you're smart, you're sexy, and I admire you. I just wanted to tell you that on behalf of the Rio Grande Valley here in south Texas, we support Clinton and hope he stays in office. I'm sick and tired of these Repulicans bitching and gripping about "morals and values" when more than half of them are racist biggots and treat women like dirt. I can only hope that they apologize for probing into President Clinton's life and making this whole thing a farce. The Republicans are responsible for this mockery for advertising it to the world, instead of handeling it like mature adults with moral and values that they claim to have. I also want to tell Hillary, from behalf of the Rio Grande Valley here in south Texas We LOVE YOU and hope you come back down here soon to visit us. Thank you...
Name: WETBACK
email: HATE.COM
Message: We all love Hillary. She hates America just like we do.
Message: SONG PARODY: The Year of the Cat (or, of the Rat)
Bringing Entertainment, News and Truth (BENT)12-98 Lyrics, Doug from Upland Lyrics Copyright 1998, Doug from Upland. Not for commercial use without permission of the author. NOTICE - very painfully, almost unbearably long intro On a morning from a Clancy novel In a country that is led by slime You go searching through the only source that's truthful And discover a crime You have read what's he's done and your heart beats faster Like a man who has just run a mile You need not ask him for explanations He'd just look at you and smile In the Year of the Rat (musical interlude) He'd never answer any questions 'Cause election was his only goal He was doing what it took for what he wanted He'd given up his soul In the White House rooms they were shaken down As the story is quite rightly told He took, we know, the Chinese money And my blood is running cold The Year of the Rat (musical interlude) As he bit his lip so calmly He looked straight into the camera and spoke And all the sheeple would believe him 'Cause they loved him…and easily fell for his joke The Year of the Rat (long musical interlude) When they finally realized what happened And the nation was brought to its knees As the missiles were flying there's no defenses On the weakness they would seize There were some who yelled but their voices drowned In the media of traitors, all Some feared freedom was not forever We know when began the fall In the Year of the Rat (musical interlude) The Year of the Rat (musical finish) Name: Roger Helmer email: Message: While Mr. (James) Carville sometimes seems to get a little radical, my immediate family (wife, daughter) and parents, aunts, uncles, and cousins will become more involved in politics and work to defeat those who voted to impeach President Clinton. Our family stretches from New York to Alaska and we’re not going to put up with the Republican Party anymore. We have started to organize to establish a PAC and to put into the PAC $100/month/voter (there are 102 voters) so we will be putting in around $10,000 per month. While it isn’t as large as other PACs, we will pick races where our money will help to defeat a Republican who voted for impeachment or a Democrat. We are angry as hell and not going to put up with the Republicans any longer. We support a censure of the president immediately and believe he should admit he lied, however, the admission should not be grounds for any further criminal proceedings Name: email: Message: TO THE FIRST LADY AND HER FAMILY DEAR MRS CLINTON, YOU, THE PRESIDENT, VP AL GORE, TIPPER GORE AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE BEACONS OF PEACE AND HOPE HOPEE MAY YOUR RADIANCE CONTINUE TO SHINE AND GIVE HOPE TO US ALL IN EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD WITH LOVE AND LIGHT, BETTY LAU-KHOO KININGLSEY DARWIN, AUSTRALIA PS HOPE YOUR FIGHT INCLUDES BATTLING MONSANTO AND OTHER CHEMICAL GIANANTS WHO ARE HELD BENT ON SORRY HELL BENT ON POISONSING THE WORLD WITH THEIR HERBICIDES AND GENETICALLY ALTEREED FOOD - I AM PRO AMERCIANSS BUT WILL KEEP BATTLING THE DOMINATION OF MACDONALD, COKE/PEPSI AND OTHER ICONS OF AMERICAN POP CO CULTURE Name: ANSWER TO ABOVE email: Message: YOU MIRROR OUR EVERY THOUGHT Name: Way to go girl!!! email: PhGirl7@aol.com Message: Hillary, With all the controversy these days you seem to be holding up well. I am a middle class 35 year old professional woman who would stand by her life partner in much of the way The First Lady has. Men, not by their own choose, is the weaker sex. We as a nation should rise up to show support in our choose for President, rise up, take a stand against witch hunters such as Ken Starr, who is trying to fuel his 15 minutes of fame in our society. No one can predict the outcome of the next step but, God bless you all and most of all The First Lady of the United States of America. Name: Robert email: impeach@incarcerate.com Message: The High crimes of Perjury and Obstruction of Justice will be stonewalled by the complicit criminal Democratic Party.....however...the Treason of this perverted "president" and his "presidency" will soon come into the light of day. Red Chinese espionage and Klinton criminality will be exposed while the trial is proceeding in the Senate. Ms Hillary....all your subversive activity and attempts to destroy Liberty.. will finally bear fruit at the Bar of Justice. MANY DELETED MESSAGES ABOVE.......CENSORESHIP IN America...Ms. "1st Lady"? Go Ahead...delete this one too...fits you and your "friends" in Red China. Name: email: Message: The "Year of the Rat" How appropriate! Name: Robert email: Message: LVD?...Dream on? You mean nightmare, not dream. History will eventually expose this corruption. Tell me, What did Bill Clinton do for 40 days in Moscow while I was in Vietnam? DON'T tell me he was a Tourist! Name: Robert email: Message: Charlie Trie...Johnny Chung....and The Riady Family...Why would they establish an American presence in Little Rock, Ark. could it be they had Information from Moscow on a rising idealogue politician? A little financial backing oin a small backward state? Could become Governor? Governor of any state...with the financial backing is a viable presidential candidate.....I think Billy is paying them back by creating another despotic world super power...RED CHINA......Charactor does count! Name: email: Message: Thank the good Lord for Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, Paula Jones. Where would we be without them. Now we have Juanita Broaddrick (Jane Doe #5) Al Capone was brought down by Income Tax Evasion, The Pervert in Chief will be brought down by debauchery....smile! Name: Kathleen SilverRyder email: ranch@capecod.net Message: Mrs. Clinton, I know you fight for health care issues so I am seeking your help.. Moana Kukowski was struck by a car in the summer of 95 she sustained massive head injuries. The family has exhausted its' private insurance and medicaid refuses to cover much need hyperbaric treatments. It is expected to take 200 treatments at $200 each plus transportation. The Namvets Asso of Cape and Islands and the Marine Corps League are willing to run fundraisers but don"t know where to start. Please email me and let me know what resourses we could avail ourselves to. A trust fund has been set up and Moanas' family can be reached at : John and Helen Kukowski 125 Pleasant Street Unit F Hyannis MA 02601 phone: 508-775-0603 Thank you for your time and effort in advance. Name: email: Message: Hey Hillary, Is the Drudge prediction of a huge story in the next 2 weeks about you divorcing the sexual predator or the HIV tainted Arkansas blood shipped to Canada? Then again it could be the the COX - DICKS Report on Chinese espionage with Clinton complicity? Name: Tom Cox email: Radman@zianet.com Message: I've quit trying to explain the obvious to liberals. You are backing a pervert, a criminal and a traitor to the United Staes of America. Check the military chats and see if you can find ONE SINGLE soldier, sailor, Marine or Pilot that can call the bent one Commander in Chief without puking. This blight on our country must be eradicated and SOME semblance of honor brought back to the Oval Office. This fool was elected by 37% of the 50% of eligable voters and that is HARDLY an overwhelming vote of confidence. And the biggest reason that I am sure that liberals have lost their minds is you think Hitlery is beautiful. Jeez, are you all BLIND
Lyrics Copyright 1998, Doug from Upland. Not for commercial use without permission of the author. NOTICE - very painfully, almost unbearably long intro On a morning from a Clancy novel In a country that is led by slime You go searching through the only source that's truthful And discover a crime You have read what's he's done and your heart beats faster Like a man who has just run a mile You need not ask him for explanations He'd just look at you and smile In the Year of the Rat (musical interlude) He'd never answer any questions 'Cause election was his only goal He was doing what it took for what he wanted He'd given up his soul In the White House rooms they were shaken down As the story is quite rightly told He took, we know, the Chinese money And my blood is running cold The Year of the Rat (musical interlude) As he bit his lip so calmly He looked straight into the camera and spoke And all the sheeple would believe him 'Cause they loved him…and easily fell for his joke The Year of the Rat (long musical interlude) When they finally realized what happened And the nation was brought to its knees As the missiles were flying there's no defenses On the weakness they would seize There were some who yelled but their voices drowned In the media of traitors, all Some feared freedom was not forever We know when began the fall In the Year of the Rat (musical interlude) The Year of the Rat (musical finish) Name: Roger Helmer email: Message: While Mr. (James) Carville sometimes seems to get a little radical, my immediate family (wife, daughter) and parents, aunts, uncles, and cousins will become more involved in politics and work to defeat those who voted to impeach President Clinton. Our family stretches from New York to Alaska and we’re not going to put up with the Republican Party anymore. We have started to organize to establish a PAC and to put into the PAC $100/month/voter (there are 102 voters) so we will be putting in around $10,000 per month. While it isn’t as large as other PACs, we will pick races where our money will help to defeat a Republican who voted for impeachment or a Democrat. We are angry as hell and not going to put up with the Republicans any longer. We support a censure of the president immediately and believe he should admit he lied, however, the admission should not be grounds for any further criminal proceedings Name: email: Message: TO THE FIRST LADY AND HER FAMILY DEAR MRS CLINTON, YOU, THE PRESIDENT, VP AL GORE, TIPPER GORE AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE BEACONS OF PEACE AND HOPE HOPEE MAY YOUR RADIANCE CONTINUE TO SHINE AND GIVE HOPE TO US ALL IN EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD WITH LOVE AND LIGHT, BETTY LAU-KHOO KININGLSEY DARWIN, AUSTRALIA PS HOPE YOUR FIGHT INCLUDES BATTLING MONSANTO AND OTHER CHEMICAL GIANANTS WHO ARE HELD BENT ON SORRY HELL BENT ON POISONSING THE WORLD WITH THEIR HERBICIDES AND GENETICALLY ALTEREED FOOD - I AM PRO AMERCIANSS BUT WILL KEEP BATTLING THE DOMINATION OF MACDONALD, COKE/PEPSI AND OTHER ICONS OF AMERICAN POP CO CULTURE Name: ANSWER TO ABOVE email: Message: YOU MIRROR OUR EVERY THOUGHT Name: Way to go girl!!! email: PhGirl7@aol.com Message: Hillary, With all the controversy these days you seem to be holding up well. I am a middle class 35 year old professional woman who would stand by her life partner in much of the way The First Lady has. Men, not by their own choose, is the weaker sex. We as a nation should rise up to show support in our choose for President, rise up, take a stand against witch hunters such as Ken Starr, who is trying to fuel his 15 minutes of fame in our society. No one can predict the outcome of the next step but, God bless you all and most of all The First Lady of the United States of America. Name: Robert email: impeach@incarcerate.com Message: The High crimes of Perjury and Obstruction of Justice will be stonewalled by the complicit criminal Democratic Party.....however...the Treason of this perverted "president" and his "presidency" will soon come into the light of day. Red Chinese espionage and Klinton criminality will be exposed while the trial is proceeding in the Senate. Ms Hillary....all your subversive activity and attempts to destroy Liberty.. will finally bear fruit at the Bar of Justice. MANY DELETED MESSAGES ABOVE.......CENSORESHIP IN America...Ms. "1st Lady"? Go Ahead...delete this one too...fits you and your "friends" in Red China. Name: email: Message: The "Year of the Rat" How appropriate! Name: Robert email: Message: LVD?...Dream on? You mean nightmare, not dream. History will eventually expose this corruption. Tell me, What did Bill Clinton do for 40 days in Moscow while I was in Vietnam? DON'T tell me he was a Tourist! Name: Robert email: Message: Charlie Trie...Johnny Chung....and The Riady Family...Why would they establish an American presence in Little Rock, Ark. could it be they had Information from Moscow on a rising idealogue politician? A little financial backing oin a small backward state? Could become Governor? Governor of any state...with the financial backing is a viable presidential candidate.....I think Billy is paying them back by creating another despotic world super power...RED CHINA......Charactor does count! Name: email: Message: Thank the good Lord for Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, Paula Jones. Where would we be without them. Now we have Juanita Broaddrick (Jane Doe #5) Al Capone was brought down by Income Tax Evasion, The Pervert in Chief will be brought down by debauchery....smile! Name: Kathleen SilverRyder email: ranch@capecod.net Message: Mrs. Clinton, I know you fight for health care issues so I am seeking your help.. Moana Kukowski was struck by a car in the summer of 95 she sustained massive head injuries. The family has exhausted its' private insurance and medicaid refuses to cover much need hyperbaric treatments. It is expected to take 200 treatments at $200 each plus transportation. The Namvets Asso of Cape and Islands and the Marine Corps League are willing to run fundraisers but don"t know where to start. Please email me and let me know what resourses we could avail ourselves to. A trust fund has been set up and Moanas' family can be reached at : John and Helen Kukowski 125 Pleasant Street Unit F Hyannis MA 02601 phone: 508-775-0603 Thank you for your time and effort in advance. Name: email: Message: Hey Hillary, Is the Drudge prediction of a huge story in the next 2 weeks about you divorcing the sexual predator or the HIV tainted Arkansas blood shipped to Canada? Then again it could be the the COX - DICKS Report on Chinese espionage with Clinton complicity? Name: Tom Cox email: Radman@zianet.com Message: I've quit trying to explain the obvious to liberals. You are backing a pervert, a criminal and a traitor to the United Staes of America. Check the military chats and see if you can find ONE SINGLE soldier, sailor, Marine or Pilot that can call the bent one Commander in Chief without puking. This blight on our country must be eradicated and SOME semblance of honor brought back to the Oval Office. This fool was elected by 37% of the 50% of eligable voters and that is HARDLY an overwhelming vote of confidence. And the biggest reason that I am sure that liberals have lost their minds is you think Hitlery is beautiful. Jeez, are you all BLIND
Lyrics Copyright 1998, Doug from Upland. Not for commercial use without permission of the author.
NOTICE - very painfully, almost unbearably long intro
On a morning from a Clancy novel In a country that is led by slime You go searching through the only source that's truthful And discover a crime You have read what's he's done and your heart beats faster Like a man who has just run a mile You need not ask him for explanations He'd just look at you and smile In the Year of the Rat (musical interlude) He'd never answer any questions 'Cause election was his only goal He was doing what it took for what he wanted He'd given up his soul In the White House rooms they were shaken down As the story is quite rightly told He took, we know, the Chinese money And my blood is running cold The Year of the Rat (musical interlude) As he bit his lip so calmly He looked straight into the camera and spoke And all the sheeple would believe him 'Cause they loved him…and easily fell for his joke The Year of the Rat (long musical interlude) When they finally realized what happened And the nation was brought to its knees As the missiles were flying there's no defenses On the weakness they would seize There were some who yelled but their voices drowned In the media of traitors, all Some feared freedom was not forever We know when began the fall In the Year of the Rat (musical interlude) The Year of the Rat (musical finish)
(musical interlude)
He'd never answer any questions 'Cause election was his only goal He was doing what it took for what he wanted He'd given up his soul In the White House rooms they were shaken down As the story is quite rightly told He took, we know, the Chinese money And my blood is running cold The Year of the Rat
As he bit his lip so calmly He looked straight into the camera and spoke And all the sheeple would believe him 'Cause they loved him…and easily fell for his joke The Year of the Rat
(long musical interlude)
When they finally realized what happened And the nation was brought to its knees As the missiles were flying there's no defenses On the weakness they would seize There were some who yelled but their voices drowned In the media of traitors, all Some feared freedom was not forever We know when began the fall In the Year of the Rat
The Year of the Rat
(musical finish)
Name: Roger Helmer
Message: While Mr. (James) Carville sometimes seems to get a little radical, my immediate family (wife, daughter) and parents, aunts, uncles, and cousins will become more involved in politics and work to defeat those who voted to impeach President Clinton. Our family stretches from New York to Alaska and we’re not going to put up with the Republican Party anymore. We have started to organize to establish a PAC and to put into the PAC $100/month/voter (there are 102 voters) so we will be putting in around $10,000 per month. While it isn’t as large as other PACs, we will pick races where our money will help to defeat a Republican who voted for impeachment or a Democrat. We are angry as hell and not going to put up with the Republicans any longer. We support a censure of the president immediately and believe he should admit he lied, however, the admission should not be grounds for any further criminal proceedings
Message: TO THE FIRST LADY AND HER FAMILY DEAR MRS CLINTON, YOU, THE PRESIDENT, VP AL GORE, TIPPER GORE AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE BEACONS OF PEACE AND HOPE HOPEE MAY YOUR RADIANCE CONTINUE TO SHINE AND GIVE HOPE TO US ALL IN EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD WITH LOVE AND LIGHT, BETTY LAU-KHOO KININGLSEY DARWIN, AUSTRALIA PS HOPE YOUR FIGHT INCLUDES BATTLING MONSANTO AND OTHER CHEMICAL GIANANTS WHO ARE HELD BENT ON SORRY HELL BENT ON POISONSING THE WORLD WITH THEIR HERBICIDES AND GENETICALLY ALTEREED FOOD - I AM PRO AMERCIANSS BUT WILL KEEP BATTLING THE DOMINATION OF MACDONALD, COKE/PEPSI AND OTHER ICONS OF AMERICAN POP CO CULTURE
Name: ANSWER TO ABOVE
Message: YOU MIRROR OUR EVERY THOUGHT
Name: Way to go girl!!!
email: PhGirl7@aol.com
Message: Hillary, With all the controversy these days you seem to be holding up well. I am a middle class 35 year old professional woman who would stand by her life partner in much of the way The First Lady has. Men, not by their own choose, is the weaker sex. We as a nation should rise up to show support in our choose for President, rise up, take a stand against witch hunters such as Ken Starr, who is trying to fuel his 15 minutes of fame in our society. No one can predict the outcome of the next step but, God bless you all and most of all The First Lady of the United States of America.
Name: Robert
email: impeach@incarcerate.com
Message: The High crimes of Perjury and Obstruction of Justice will be stonewalled by the complicit criminal Democratic Party.....however...the Treason of this perverted "president" and his "presidency" will soon come into the light of day. Red Chinese espionage and Klinton criminality will be exposed while the trial is proceeding in the Senate. Ms Hillary....all your subversive activity and attempts to destroy Liberty.. will finally bear fruit at the Bar of Justice. MANY DELETED MESSAGES ABOVE.......CENSORESHIP IN America...Ms. "1st Lady"? Go Ahead...delete this one too...fits you and your "friends" in Red China.
Message: The "Year of the Rat" How appropriate!
Message: LVD?...Dream on? You mean nightmare, not dream. History will eventually expose this corruption. Tell me, What did Bill Clinton do for 40 days in Moscow while I was in Vietnam? DON'T tell me he was a Tourist!
Message: Charlie Trie...Johnny Chung....and The Riady Family...Why would they establish an American presence in Little Rock, Ark. could it be they had Information from Moscow on a rising idealogue politician? A little financial backing oin a small backward state? Could become Governor? Governor of any state...with the financial backing is a viable presidential candidate.....I think Billy is paying them back by creating another despotic world super power...RED CHINA......Charactor does count!
Message: Thank the good Lord for Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, Paula Jones. Where would we be without them. Now we have Juanita Broaddrick (Jane Doe #5) Al Capone was brought down by Income Tax Evasion, The Pervert in Chief will be brought down by debauchery....smile!
Name: Kathleen SilverRyder
email: ranch@capecod.net
Message: Mrs. Clinton, I know you fight for health care issues so I am seeking your help.. Moana Kukowski was struck by a car in the summer of 95 she sustained massive head injuries. The family has exhausted its' private insurance and medicaid refuses to cover much need hyperbaric treatments. It is expected to take 200 treatments at $200 each plus transportation. The Namvets Asso of Cape and Islands and the Marine Corps League are willing to run fundraisers but don"t know where to start. Please email me and let me know what resourses we could avail ourselves to. A trust fund has been set up and Moanas' family can be reached at : John and Helen Kukowski 125 Pleasant Street Unit F Hyannis MA 02601 phone: 508-775-0603 Thank you for your time and effort in advance.
Message: Hey Hillary, Is the Drudge prediction of a huge story in the next 2 weeks about you divorcing the sexual predator or the HIV tainted Arkansas blood shipped to Canada? Then again it could be the the COX - DICKS Report on Chinese espionage with Clinton complicity?
Name: Tom Cox
email: Radman@zianet.com
Message: I've quit trying to explain the obvious to liberals. You are backing a pervert, a criminal and a traitor to the United Staes of America. Check the military chats and see if you can find ONE SINGLE soldier, sailor, Marine or Pilot that can call the bent one Commander in Chief without puking. This blight on our country must be eradicated and SOME semblance of honor brought back to the Oval Office. This fool was elected by 37% of the 50% of eligable voters and that is HARDLY an overwhelming vote of confidence. And the biggest reason that I am sure that liberals have lost their minds is you think Hitlery is beautiful. Jeez, are you all BLIND
