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SEN. Hillary Clinton is benefiting from public-speaking tips from her Senate colleagues, who've coached her to spice up her style or risk lulling listeners to sleep.
Judging from her recent Senate speeches, Clinton appears to be heeding the friendly advice from experienced orators.
Instead of lecturing - like Al Gore - the former first lady is suddenly emulating one of her idols, Sen. Ted Kennedy, who turns red with emotion and shouts when addressing an important issue.
A source told the Post one Democratic senator encouraged Clinton - who's prone to a monotone - to liven up her Senate-floor demeanor.
Now, she can be seen pacing the floor, waving her arms and gesturing at props - like photos and charts - that she's brought for the occasion.
She's learned the value of a dramatic pause and sprinkles her remarks with picturesque flourishes, recalling in a recent speech "those winding roads that go through that beautiful part of New York" near Ithaca - as if she'd driven them her whole life.
During an address on HMO reform, Clinton's 15-minute stem-winder ended with the tourist-filled public gallery bursting into loud applause and cheers - a major no-no in the buttoned-down Senate.
Observers said it was the best speech they've ever seen Clinton give.
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nevada), who was presiding over the Senate at the time, rapped his ivory gavel to quiet the clapping crowd. The Congressional Record labeled the outburst a "disturbance," but Clinton was grinning as she walked off the floor.
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| Blood on his hands | |
| An Iran Contra veteran returns to the White House |
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9 — The discovery by special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh Jr. that former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger’s diaries implicated Bush himself almost certainly contributed to his defeat in the 1992 election. When Bush subsequently pardoned Weinberger and his fellow Iran-Contra conspirator, Elliott Abrams, he was, in fact, pardoning himself, since Walsh appeared closing in on Bush’s role at the time of the last-minute pardons. His son, now president, seems intent on erasing these events from public memory by appointing these same figures to high-profile jobs. In doing so, he is staining his own administration with the association of some of the most nefarious characters ever to participate in the make of U.S. foreign policy. MORE |
Name: Mad, mad, mad...Dubya has gone completely mad...
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Message: GEORGE W. BUSH has chosen Elliott Abrams, a man who has admitted to lying repeatedly to Congress and to the nation about his own role in the contra scandals, to be director of the National Security Council’s office for democracy, human rights and international operations.
When Press Secretary Ari Fleischer was asked about this Orwellian choice, he insisted that Abrams’ crimes were “a matter of the past. ” The same might be said of the activities of Timothy McVeigh or Slobodan Milosevic or just about anyone in human history. Everything that has ever happened is “a matter of the past.” What Fleischer was really saying was “We know and we don’t care.” (Conveniently, the job requires no Senate confirmation.)
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The Forum has gone completely mad!
Anything for Newsmax is banned and censored but Eric Alterman left wing opinion pieces are accepted as gospel.
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Message: I said that I await the story with baited... But it wouldn't surprise me if it were true because all politicians are money-grubbers and dishonest to some extent. Their job is to get re-elected, over and over and over, and to feed their egos. Some get caught like Nixon. Others don't. I still think that H.L. Mencken had it right when he said (paraphrased): People make the mistake of believing that there are two kinds of politicians, and one of these kinds can be called "good."
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Clinton was able to cooperate with a Republican Congress in getting a Balanced Budget plan enacted(which is now in jeopardy, thanks to Bush). That's a fact.
Another fact: Clinton vetoed the first balanced budget in 30 years of Democrat control. Bill Clinton shut the government down in an attempt to not allow a balanced budget to be passed. This is what he will be remember for.
That's a fact. Reagan and Bush were not able to cooperate with a Democratic Congress to get a Balanced Budget plan enacted.
Many think it was the fault of the Democrat congress. The Congress passes budgets, not the president. In 30 years the Democrats were unable to create a balanced budget. The first year the Republicans took control they created a balanced budget and Bill Clinton vetoed it claiming balancing the budget before the year 2000 would ruin the economy. Like usual, Clinton was wrong.
Because Reagan and Bush were not able to cooperate with a Democratic Congress, the budget deficits during their administrations reached gargantuan proportions. That's a fact.
Another fact. Just about the same amount was added to the national debt during the Clinton years as during the Reagan years. How was Clinton able to increase the national debt by so much when many of the budgets were balanced?
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Message: all politicians are money-grubbers and dishonest to some extent.
Such bigoted statements are not permitted here on the Hillary forum.
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Message: see, you you're going to end up spelling as bad as me 'bate' (mid engl. orig, 1300, 'lessen, diminish, restrain', var. 'abate') actually i can spell & etymologize like a motherfucker. i jut type awful watch out - it'll get you like osmosis!
As for the politicians, as you say, some don't get caught, at least not in their lifetime - like FDR or LBJ. H L Mencken was a funny writer for a sabacious old fat-ass, but he is as celebrated for his prejusices as for his insights (like so many other periodical editors). I think it is laughable as in 'ha,ha ha,ha ha ha, ha, haha' to think that anyone would suggest - and i am paraphrasing, here, pardon - that i need subscribe to any 'one size fits all' dictum.
And you know that it is just human nature to want to look at exactly what an arguing opponent does not want you to focus on. You ignore what we want you to take into account. vice versa is only natural. it is just not likeley that you are as stubborn or as experienced in having to deal with people questioning assertions, being challenging for no apparent reason, being auythoritative and didactic, and being impatient. i mean, i do think you have had a certain amount of experience along this line, but you may be used to people going along with what you say and conversely with going along with what others say. could be.
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<"OH GOD....WHO ART SO.....HUGE.....PLEASE FORGET WHAT I SAID ABOUT ALL CATHOLICS GOING TO HELL. OH AND IF IT PLEASE YOU, OH GOD WHO IS ALMOST AS BIG AS TEXAS, CAN YOU BUMP MY POLL NUMBERS UP? AMEN."
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Special To The Observer
We are well into the new administration, and the open assault on President George W. Bush by the liberal pundits, press and political cartoonists continues unabated. They still question his mental capacity. His daughters are savaged for the unpardonable sin of drinking a beer while underage, something upward to 75 percent of college students do. Even The Observer's community columnist who is a recent high school graduate felt the need to upbraid Bush.
What has the president done to deserve this continued harangue? Nothing that I can see.
Throughout the campaign we heard that Bush was a mental lightweight. I never quite understood that assertion. Al Gore is pictured as highly intelligent, yet he flunked out of divinity school and quit law school when he was on the verge of flunking out there. Bush, on the other hand, never flunked out of anywhere. In fact, he is the first president to earn a Master of Business Administration degree - from Harvard no less.
Six months after our supposedly dimwitted president took the oath of office, let's assess how he's doing. What better way to do that than a direct comparison to his "brilliant" predecessor, Bill Clinton, along with his co-president and wife Hillary Rodham Clinton and Vice President Gore. For the sake of brevity, I'll call them CC&G.
Let's go back to the 1992 presidential campaign. CC&G ran on four major issues: Social Security reform, Medicare reform, a national health plan and education. When Clinton came into office, the country's economy was on an upswing and he had solid Democratic majorities in both the Senate and House.
Clinton 0 for 4 on promises
In eight years as president, Clinton did not offer a single plan or piece of legislation to reform Social Security, his No. 1 priority. Likewise on Medicare reform - nothing in two full terms. Right after his first inauguration, he unleashed his wife, Hillary, to head up his national health care initiative. After a year and a half of secret meetings, CC&G brought forth their plan. It turned out to be nothing more than socialized medicine that was so expensive it would have emptied the U.S. Treasury. The plan was so bad that the Republicans didn't even get a chance to argue it down. The Democrats promptly threw it out. That was the last we heard on that subject in Clinton's remaining six years.
CC&G brought forth no plan to improve education. That makes Clinton 0 for 4 in campaign promises.
We know what Clinton, Clinton & Gore didn't accomplish early in their regime. Let's look briefly at what they did do.
In his first six months in office, the only initiative put forth by Clinton concerned homosexuals in the military. He was foursquare in favor of gays in combat. The press got miles of ink out of this, while the military hierarchy beat him up pretty badly. Finally, a bruised and battered Clinton backed off to his wishy-washy policy of "Don't ask, don't tell."
The only major "accomplishment" in CC&G's first two years was to pass the largest tax increase in our country's history.
Let's turn now to George W. Bush. In the 2000 campaign, he ran on a platform of three main issues: a tax cut for all Americans, education and Social Security reform.
Bush overcomes obstaclesKeep in mind that Bush inherited a badly sagging economy from his predecessor. He also has had to deal with an energy crisis, due again to the failed policies of the CC&G administration. He came to the presidency with a solid Republican majority in the House but only an even split in the Senate, which is now a Democratic majority since Sen. Jim Jeffords' defection. In the face of those major obstacles, in just six short months, Bush has signed into law the largest tax cut in our country's history. He also initiated and passed the most sweeping education reform package in recent memory. So far he is 2 for 2 in campaign promises, with a proposal for Social Security reform due by the end of the year.
What conclusion can we draw? Most politicians adhere to that old philosophy, "It's not what you do that's important - it's what you make people think you do." Clinton, Clinton & Gore elevated that axiom to an art form. Is that superficiality what we really want from our leader? Or would we rather have a president who says what he believes and does what he promises? I'll take the latter. Our new president is doing just fine. Isn't it about time for the Bush bashing to stop?
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Message: If you have to deal with Marxist despots like Castro or Chavez, its a great thing to have people like Negroponte, Reich, or Elliit Abrams.
What happened with Iran-Contra was godd. Central America would be so full of war and misery if the Sandinistas had ben unopposed in their efforts to destabilize their neighbors - the Soviet Union would still be in operation, probably, too. There would have been no post- Cold War boom ( thanks Ronnie!) Abrams was demonized by bitter little pills who don't like the idea that that their little commie ant farm in NIcaraugua got torn down - US leftists are the real imperialists.
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OUR BIGOTTED, HATEFUL RESIDENT!
Salvation Army, Bush work to OK hiring bias on gays
By Dana Milbank
The Washington Post
July 10, 2001
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WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration is working with the nation's largest charity,
the Salvation Army, to make it easier for government-funded religious groups
to engage in hiring discrimination against homosexuals, according to an internal
Salvation Army document.
The White House has made a "firm commitment" to the Salvation Army
to issue a regulation protecting such charities from state and city efforts
to prevent discrimination against gays in hiring and domestic-partner benefits,
according to the Salvation Army report. The Salvation Army, in turn, has agreed
to use its clout to promote the administration's faith-based initiative, which
seeks to direct more government funds to religious charities.
The matter stems from a national debate spurred by an increasing number of local
jurisdictions that have adopted laws requiring religious groups such as the
Salvation Army to adhere to laws barring discrimination against gays in hiring,
job promotion and benefits.
According to the document, the administration is offering a federal regulation
that would forbid states and localities from barring such discrimination when
administering programs with federal funds.
The Salvation Army, a Christian social services organization with an extensive
network of facilities to feed, clothe and shelter the poor, would be little
affected in the short term by Bush's faith-based proposal. It already receives
nearly $300 million annually in government money. But the report indicates the
administration is eager to use the Salvation Army's clout to pass the legislation,
offering the charity something it wants in return.
"It is important that The Army's support for the White House's activities
occur simultaneously with efforts to achieve The Army's objectives," said
the document. "The White House has already said that they are committed
to move on The Army's objectives."
The White House said Monday that the organization's claim of a "firm commitment"
overstated the case.
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer added that faith-based groups already have
the power under federal law to discriminate against gays in hiring. It is state
and local laws that try to impose on groups to include homosexuals in their
employment protections.
The report, dated May 1, defines the charity's objectives as making sure states
and localities can't "impose the category of sexual orientation to the
list of anti-discrimination protections" or mandate "equal benefits
to domestic partnership" unless religious non-profits are exempt from such
provisions.
George Hood, a senior official with the Salvation Army, said the group never
discriminates in services, but on the question of hiring gays, "it really
begins to chew away at the theological fabric of who we are."
Hood also said the group is backing the legislation primarily to get regulatory
action from the administration. "It's the preservation of our employment
practices that motivates us to support this," he said, noting that such
practices are central to the group's "theological foundation."
The "charitable choice" provisions are at the heart of the controversy
over Bush's religious charities initiative and raise the fundamental and thorny
question of whether religious organizations can keep their long-held exemption
from federal anti-discrimination laws when they receive government funds.
Under the 1996 welfare-reform law, the charitable choice provision allows religious
organizations to compete for federal funding without impairing the charities'
religious character, as long as the charities don't use federal funds for worship
or proselytizing. Bush would extend the charitable choice provisions to other
programs.
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Message: WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration is working with the nation's largest charity, the Salvation Army, to make it easier for government-funded religious groups to engage in hiring discrimination against homosexuals, according to an internal Salvation Army document.
Yaaa, hip, hip, hoorayyyy!
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You heard the hate-filled Left Wing Spin, now for the truth!
Tuesday July 10 10:25 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House denied on Tuesday that it had made a firm commitment to the Salvation Army, America's largest charity, to issue a regulation exempting such charities from having to hire homosexuals.
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the Salvation Army had misinterpreted the Bush administration in an internal Salvation Army document quoted by The Washington Post on Tuesday.
The Post said the Salvation Army believed the White House had made a ``firm commitment'' to issue a regulation exempting the Salvation Army and other charities from efforts by state and city governments to prevent discrimination against gays in hiring and domestic-partner benefits.
The Post said the reported White House commitment was in return for the Salvation Army's support of President Bush's initiative to allow faith-based organizations to compete for federal dollars to pay for projects to help tackle social problems like alcohol abuse and homelessness.
Asked if the Salvation Army had misinterpreted the White House position, Fleischer told reporters: ``Yes, and they've been advised of that.''
An increasing number of local governments have passed laws requiring religious groups such as the Salvation Army to adhere to laws barring discrimination against gays in hiring, job promotion and benefits.
The Post said the Salvation Army document indicated Bush was suggesting a federal regulation that would forbid states and localities from barring such discrimination when administering programs with federal funds.
Fleischer said the White House had ``absolutely not'' made a deal with the Salvation Army to issue such a regulation in exchange for the organization's support of Bush's faith-based plan, a top priority of his administration.
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OUR BIGOTTED, HATEFUL RESIDENT!
Are you going to apologized for this baseless remark?
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One nice thing about the President; he is not seething with hatred like the Left.
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Message: H. L. Mencken was a bigoted old motha. But he was the best writer of his generation--and this generation as well. His Dictionary of the American Language is a classic. And he was given to hyperbole, to say the least. But paraphrasing George Kaufman: What Mencken says might not be entirely true, but it is true enough. Everyone has to make that determination. Is it true enough to say that people are mistaken when they believe that there are two kinds of politicians, and one of those kinds is "good?" I think so--definitely. You may not think so. But it is common sense not to be surprised when a politician is caught skirting the rules or laws.
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Special To The Observer
We are well into the new administration, and the open assault on President George
W. Bush by the liberal pundits, press and political cartoonists continues unabated.
They still question his mental capacity. His daughters are savaged for the unpardonable
sin of drinking a beer while underage, something upward to 75 percent of college
students do. Even The Observer's community columnist who is a recent high school
graduate felt the need to upbraid Bush. Alcoholism appears
to be a Bush triat, and it hasn't made Dim Son any smarter. The Chimp is being
attacked unaabted because he's like a post turtle...he has no business being
up there and the rest of us know it.
What has the president done to deserve this continued harangue? Nothing that I can see. He's done nothing he's supposed to, and much he's not supposed to. You can't see it because you're a useless rightwing shil,l paid to try and help make the indefensible look good.
Throughout the campaign we heard that Bush was a mental lightweight. I never quite understood that assertion. Al Gore is pictured as highly intelligent, yet he flunked out of divinity school Hmmmm, so would have Bush. He thought Catholics, Jews and Gays were going to hell until his mommy set him straight. and quit law school when he was on the verge of flunking out there. Bush, on the other hand, never flunked out of anywhere. That's because his degree was already prepaid. Bush I's credit cards. In fact, he is the first president to earn a Master of Business Administration degree - from Harvard no less. Any monkey can do that with the right last name.
Six months after our supposedly dimwitted president took the oath of office, let's assess how he's doing. What better way to do that than a direct comparison to his "brilliant" predecessor, Bill Clinton, along with his co-president and wife Hillary Rodham Clinton and Vice President Gore. For the sake of brevity, I'll call them CC&G.
Let's go back to the 1992 presidential campaign. CC&G ran on four major issues: Social Security reform, Medicare reform, a national health plan and education. When Clinton came into office, the country's economy was on an upswing and he had solid Democratic majorities in both the Senate and House.
Clinton 0 for 4 on promises
In eight years as president, Clinton did not offer a single plan or piece of legislation to reform Social Security, his No. 1 priority. Because he got no cooperation from the Republicans in congress. Next? Likewise on Medicare reform - nothing in two full terms. Right after his first inauguration, he unleashed his wife, Hillary, to head up his national health care initiative. After a year and a half of secret meetings, CC&G brought forth their plan. It turned out to be nothing more than socialized medicine that was so expensive it would have emptied the U.S. Treasury. The plan was so bad that the Republicans didn't even get a chance to argue it down. The Democrats promptly threw it out. That was the last we heard on that subject in Clinton's remaining six years. So you blame the Democrats for that, or CC&G? Think much?
CC&G brought forth no plan to improve education. That makes Clinton 0 for 4 in campaign promises. Lie. Every attempt at education reform was blocked or balked at by the GOP who couldnt be convinced to crank open the wallet for childrens' education. They had plenty of money for the Penagon though.
We know what Clinton, Clinton & Gore didn't accomplish early in their regime. Let's look briefly at what they did do.
In his first six months in office, the only initiative put forth by Clinton concerned homosexuals in the military. He was foursquare in favor of gays in combat. The press got miles of ink out of this, while the military hierarchy beat him up pretty badly. Finally, a bruised and battered Clinton backed off to his wishy-washy policy of "Don't ask, don't tell." Doesn't look too good for your bigotted rightwing military does it, dumbass?
The only major "accomplishment" in CC&G's first two years was to pass the largest tax increase in our country's history. During which the later GOP dominated Congress voted themselves a pay raise. Twice. Next?
Let's turn now to George W. Bush. In the 2000 campaign, he ran on a platform of three main issues: a tax cut for all Americans, education and Social Security reform.
Bush overcomes obstaclesKeep in mind that Bush inherited a badly sagging economy from his predecessor. Lie. The economy at the time of Bush's installation was the best the country had ever seen. In short order it was swirling down the toilet.He also has had to deal with an energy crisis, due again to the failed policies of the CC&G administration. Lie, name the policies specifically responsible for an energy crisis, and why. Bet you can't do it. He came to the presidency with a solid Republican majority in the House but only an even split in the Senate, which is now a Democratic majority since Sen. Jim Jeffords' defection. In the face of those major obstacles, in just six short months, Bush has signed into law the largest tax cut in our country's history. Free candy. Like that won't always be a winner? He also initiated and passed the most sweeping education reform package in recent memory. So far he is 2 for 2 in campaign promises, with a proposal for Social Security reform due by the end of the year. Yes, he'll probably have SS gutted by then unless he's stopped by an impeachment or something.
What conclusion can we draw? Hmmmm..that he's just another rightwing lapdog of the corporate class who doesnt give a shit about a normal working american? Most politicians adhere to that old philosophy, "It's not what you do that's important - it's what you make people think you do." Clinton, Clinton & Gore elevated that axiom to an art form. Is that superficiality what we really want from our leader? Or would we rather have a president who says what he believes and does what he promises? I'll let you know when Bush actually does something other than pander to the religious wrong wing, or corporate interests at the expense of people. I'll take the latter. Our new president is doing just fine. Isn't it about time for the Bush bashing to stop? Oh, we haven't even started. Watch his plummetting poll numbers. The Emperor Wears No Clothes, shit-fer-brains. The scam has been found out. Bash this.
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Are you going to apologized for this baseless remark?
Hehehe, apologize? Now that the Bigot in Thief has been caught with his pants down and is wildly spinning to save face? Hardly. Let me repeat.....OUR BIGOTTED, HATEFUL RESIDENT!
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That a VERY sick and HATE-FILLED Left Winger that spewed the red font laced previous message.
You reap what you sew; Left-winger, you are in deep shit.
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One nice thing about the President; he is not seething with hatred like the Left.
Sure. He just wants to rob working Americans of employment opportunities, based upon their sexual orientation. My hero. Bleh.
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Hehehe, apologize? Now that the Bigot in Thief has been caught with his pants down and is wildly spinning to save face? Hardly. Let me repeat.....OUR BIGOTTED, HATEFUL RESIDENT!
Nope. A Left Winger was caught lying agian. I guess you left wingers are so used to lying that it does not affect you anymore
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Sure. He just wants to rob working Americans of employment opportunities, based upon their sexual orientation. My hero. Bleh.
Funny, this statement is a proven lie but you continue to repeat it. Do you left wingers have any morals?
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You reap what you sew; Left-winger, you are in deep shit.
That's "SOW" you fucking idiot. "Sew" is what you do with a needle and thread. Sheesh, what a dumbass.
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Because he got no cooperation from the Republicans in congress. Next?
You hate-filled left wing idiot. The Democrats controled both the House and the Senate in Bill Clinton's first two years. All you left wingers do is lie.
The Left Wing Hate and Bigorty on the Forum is Freighting!
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The Left Wing Hate and Bigorty on the Forum is Freighting!
...and it is Frightening too!
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That's "SOW" you fucking idiot. "Sew" is what you do with a needle and thread. Sheesh, what a dumbass.
Are you the moron that thought the GOP controll congress in Clinton first year?
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That's "SOW" you fucking idiot. "Sew" is what you do with a needle and thread. Sheesh, what a dumbass.
Are you the moron that thought the GOP controlled congress in Clinton first year?
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Thank You
You reap what you sow; Left-winger, you are in deep shit.
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That's "SOW" you fucking idiot. "Sew" is what you do with a needle and thread. Sheesh, what a dumbass
Not so fast!
Sew \Sew\, v. t. To follow; to pursue (Websters Dictionary)
Who is the dumbass now.
Like I said, you reap what you sow.
You want to be a usage cop, you get nailed for not understanding that words may have more than one meaning
Who is the "fucking idiot" "dumbass" now, I'd say it was thee
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VOCABULARY LESSON FOR STUPID SHIT RIGHTWINGERS
Today's words - SOW vs. SEW
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nice woman is SOWING her seeds. SOWING is the act of distributing seeds so that
they will grow and one can REAP them during harvest season. The Biblical admonition
of reaping what you might SOW comes from this activity. I highly doubt that
she is dumb enough to try and do anything with a needle and thread to her seeds.
She is too smart for that - after all, she is clearly a leftwinger.
Here
we have a photo of Human Rights hero Nelson Mandela. What is he doing? He is
SEWING. SEWING is the act of using a needle and thread to bind pieces of clothing
material together. It doesn't look like Mr. Mandela will be reaping what he's
"sewn" anytime soon, although it might be said that he will reap the
benefits of a well sewn shirt. Nelson Mandela is smart enough to know the difference
between "sewing" and "sowing"...after all, Mr. Mandela is
a known leftwinger.
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VOCABULARY LESSON FOR STUPID SHIT RIGHTWINGERS
Today's words - SOW vs. SEW
This
nice woman is SOWING her seeds. SOWING is the act of distributing seeds so that
they will grow and one can REAP them during harvest season. The Biblical admonition
of reaping what you might SOW comes from this activity. I highly doubt that
she is dumb enough to try and do anything with a needle and thread to her seeds.
She is too smart for that - after all, she is clearly a leftwinger.
Here
we have a photo of Human Rights hero Nelson Mandela. What is he doing? He is
SEWING. SEWING is the act of using a needle and thread to bind pieces of clothing
material together. It doesn't look like Mr. Mandela will be reaping what he's
"sewn" anytime soon, although it might be said that he will reap the
benefits of a well sewn shirt. Nelson Mandela is smart enough to know the difference
between "sewing" and "sowing"...after all, Mr. Mandela is
a known leftwinger.
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Message: I just feel all the love and tolerance from the left, don't you?
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VICTORY! RESIDENT BIGOT FORCED DOWN!
Bush Admin. Backs Off on Regulation
Updated: Tue, Jul 10 6:23 PM EDT
(AP)By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration backed away from a proposed regulation
Tuesday that would have allowed religious groups to receive federal funds even
if they discriminated against gays and lesbians in hiring.
The White House abruptly ended a review of the regulation amid intense criticism
of its negotiations with religious groups to exempt them from state and local
anti-discrimination laws.
Vice President Dick Cheney and other administration officials said earlier Tuesday
that churches and other religious groups should be allowed to stick to their
principles in running secular programs with government money.
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VICTORY! RESIDENT BIGOT FORCED DOWN!
*APPLAUSE!!!!*
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Just like with China - Bush blinks. Cool!
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VOCABULARY LESSON FOR DUMBSHIT LEFT WINGERS THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE A DICTIONARY
Sew \Sew\, v. t. To follow; to pursue (Websters Dictionary)
As in: You Reap what you follow or pursue!
Left Wingers, don’t you just hate it when you make a colossal fool out of yourself?
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VICTORY! RESIDENT BIGOT FORCED DOWN!
You left wing idiots CAN'T READ (or don't want to)
Your hate blinds you.
I feel sorry for you.
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Some left wing idiot hosed up the forum again.
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I will make it big so even a Left Wing idiot can read it.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House denied on Tuesday that it had made a firm commitment to the Salvation Army, America's largest charity, to issue a regulation exempting such charities from having to hire homosexuals.
Homeword for the left. Buy a Dictionary and look up the word "denied"
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He is SEWING. SEWING is the act of using a needle and thread to bind pieces of clothing material together.
Hey left wing moron. The word sew has more than one meaning! Why do you make such a fool of yourself?
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I get it now. Left Wingers are claiming "it all depends on the meaning of the word SEW"
what a hoot!
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Message: Bush is a hate mongol! End the hate, end the hate, vote Hillary, Gore got more! End the hate, vote democrat! Jerry Falwell is a pig (I just had to say that). TTFN
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one can REAP them during harvest season.
Left Wing Idiots that don't own dictionaries.
REAP To obtain a return or reward. (American Heritage® Dictionary)
"One reaps what they sew" is a valid statement. It mean one obtains as a reward that which they follow.
You Left Wingers do like making fool of yourselves.
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Message: Boy, the little socialist tyrant wannabe's are still mad their boy Algore didn't get in. Get over it already.
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Bush is a hate mongol! End the hate, end the hate, vote Hillary, Gore got more! End the hate, vote democrat! Jerry Falwell is a pig (I just had to say that). TTFN
Funny the hate on this forum and in the opinion press comes only from the left.
Go Figure.
What the HELL does Jerry Falwell have to do with Bush. Are you being a left wing bigot?
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Message:Ari Fleisher Lied: Hillary did NOT steal the silverware. Hillary did NOT trash the White House. Hillary did NOT trash Air Force One. Every case against Hillary was dismissed. Hillary is guilty of NOTHING. All Right-Wing Lies
Ari Fleisher Lied: Hillary did NOT steal the silverware. Hillary did NOT trash the White House. Hillary did NOT trash Air Force One. Every case against Hillary was dismissed. Hillary is guilty of NOTHING. All Right-Wing Lies
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Somebody needs to tell Jon Tampico Hillary is not running for anything. Are all left wingers this vacuous? (left wingers, look it up in your new dictionaries)
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Message: Everybody know that Jerry Falwell is a hate mongrel. Hate against gays is the greatest crime in america today. If you weren't a right wing hate mongrel yourself, you would know this. Jerry Falwell and George W. are two of a kind - hate mongerers. Us on the left just want to spread our love as far as we can, love the trees, the squirels, the birds, the fish, the sea, ... love, love, love everywhere. Jerry Falwell is still a pig! TTFN
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Everybody know that Jerry Falwell is a hate mongrel.
LIE!
Hate against gays is the greatest crime in america today.
It is not hate. Christianity teaches homosexuality is a sin. Jon, you must be gay and you are pissed the Christianity says homosexuality is a sin and you are taking it out of Falwell by making untrue accusations.
If you weren't a right wing hate mongrel yourself, you would know this.
Sorry dude, it is you that is spewing hate.
Jerry Falwell and George W. are two of a kind - hate mongerers.
What a bullshit bigoted statement. It is not thier fault that Christianity looks at homosexuality as a sin.
Us on the left just want to spread our love as far as we can, love the trees, the squirels, the birds, the fish, the sea, ... love, love, love everywhere. Jerry Falwell is still a pig! TTFN
You are sick bigot, hate-filled left winger.
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Jon Tampico is too left wing hateful cliché to be real.
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Message: Hillary is guilty of NOTHING.
Wow, this person is even more of a slapped-down-ho than "Hillary the enabler."
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Ari Fleisher Lied: Hillary did NOT steal the silverware. Hillary did NOT trash the White House. Hillary did NOT trash Air Force One. Every case against Hillary was dismissed. Hillary is guilty of NOTHING. All Right-Wing Lies
You are the one that is lying, not the White House. Check the list of items the Clintons returns.
Left Wingers, STOP THE LYING!
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REAP To obtain a return or reward. (American Heritage® Dictionary)
You also may REAP a harvest, braindead! That's the context of "reap what you sow"! Gotta keep these rightists on course!
"One reaps what they sew" is a valid statement. It mean one obtains as a reward that which they follow.
Uh , NO, that's not that the Bible term meant. It meant that you'll get the rewards or punishments (reap) from what you started (sowed). Good lord, are ALL rightwingers this dim, or just the Bush-o-philes?
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Hmmmm.....been perusing the forum here, why isn't LVD signing his posts lately? Is he ashamed of them? Any fool can see that they are his. Wow.
Name: Clinton's VandalGate Continues and the Left Wing Minions Continue to Lie
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Thursday, June 7, 2001
WASHINGTON – A public-interest law firm claims that Clinton-Gore staffers allegedly stole computer laptops from the White House when they left in January."I know based on sources who have proved credible in the past, that Bush officials – whether they be career staff or political staff – have knowledge that laptops were stolen," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.
"And they were stolen by outgoing Clinton-Gore people," he added.
Judicial Watch in February filed a brief about the alleged thefts with a federal judge hearing its $90 million Filegate lawsuit. Fitton says the laptops could contain evidence relevant to Judicial Watch's case against former Clinton White House officials, including Sen. Hillary Clinton.
He says his sources, who work in the White House, refuse to sign affidavits because they fear retaliation from Clinton-Gore holdovers still working in the White House.
In interviews with WorldNetDaily, career White House employees who helped assess and repair the damage to vandalized equipment in the White House say they have no knowledge of stolen laptops.
A White House computer worker says most laptops issued to staffers there are Compaq Presarios, which cost roughly $1,500 each.
A White House spokesman contacted by WorldNetDaily is looking into the theft claims.
Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., alluded to missing White House property in a recent letter to the General Accounting Office which requests a thorough investigation of the vandalism. As yet, no former staffer has been held accountable.
Barr wrote: "The American taxpayers deserve to know what taxpayer property was damaged or unaccounted for during the transition."
Fitton says he does not know the number of laptops that were allegedly stolen or from which part of the White House they were allegedly stolen.
"I can't tell you that," Fitton said. "But this whole incident is a lot worse than the Bush people are letting on. It involves theft, not just vandalism."
And the damage from vandalism wasn't limited to White House computer keyboards, phones and doors, he maintains, as was first reported by WorldNetDaily in January and confirmed Friday by Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer in a list of damages provided to the Washington Post.
Fitton, citing Judicial Watch's same unnamed White House sources, says that "virtually every" desk in the vice president's suite of offices in the Eisenhower Building, or Old Executive Office Building, which is adjacent to the West Wing, had to be replaced because outgoing Clinton-Gore staffers had vandalized them.
He says he's keeping his sources confidential to guard them from reprisal.
"People are hesitant to come forward because they still fear retaliation from officials in the Bush White House who are holdovers from the Clinton administration," he explained.
A congressional source close to House Government Reform Committee Chairman Dan Burton says it's unlikely that he will hold hearings on the scandal, which is finally, after five months, being addressed in detail by Bush officials. Barr is a member of the committee.
Previous stories:
Gore vandalism has paper trail
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Message: Jon Tampico is too left wing hateful cliché to be real.
The editor is too left wing hateful cliche to be real. Jon Tampico must be her alter ego.
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You also may REAP a harvest, braindead! That's the context of "reap what you sow"! Gotta keep these rightists on course!
IDIOT! The statement was "reap what you sew"
You didn't buy a dictionary did you?
Uh , NO, that's not that the Bible term meant.
Could you please keep you religion out of this? Haven't you heard of Separation of Church and State?
It meant that you'll get the rewards or punishments (reap) from what you started (sowed). Good lord, are ALL rightwingers this dim, or just the Bush-o-philes?
Are you a complete idiot? It was spelled out to you in big type. The term "you reap what you sew" It means one obtains as a reward that which they follow.
Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending?
I guess years of lying to support a liar can give you brain damage.
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The Washington Post's current stories detailing destruction of White House property by outgoing Clinton staffers confirms the detailed, exclusive reporting done by WorldNetDaily.com last January.
When vandalism reports surfaced upon George W. Bush's move into the White House, initial official outrage was quickly doused by the newly inaugurated president's stated desire to "change the tone in Washington."
However, Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., a leader in the move to impeach Clinton, asked the General Accounting Office to check into the matter. In an April 27 letter, the GAO told Barr that there was "no record of damage that may have been deliberately caused by the Clinton administration." That is, the White House had not maintained a written accounting of any damage.
The matter seemed dead and buried.
However, apparently unable to leave well enough alone, Democrats like Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., seized upon the GAO report as vindication of Clinton and evidence that the Bush people had been fabricating their initial vandalism reports – and even demanded an apology from Bush.
Pushed against the wall, the Bush White House responded by doing what it refrained from doing last January – and issued late last week an extensive list of damage done by outgoing Clinton staffers. The list includes obscene graffiti in six offices, a 20-inch-wide presidential seal ripped off a wall, 10 sliced telephone lines and 100 inoperable computer keyboards, according to the Washington Post.
Jake Siewert, Clinton's last presidential press secretary, called the White House's actions "incredibly infuriating," reports the Post.
'We tried to be gracious'
"Most of the incidents described yesterday by White House press secretary Ari Fleischer," said the Post, "were said to have occurred in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House. Pornographic or obscene greetings were left on 15 telephone lines in the offices of the vice president and White House counsel and in the scheduling and advance offices, Fleischer said. As a precaution, all phones were disabled and reprogrammed, he said."
"The details were provided to The Washington Post after several days of inquiries about the degree of White House cooperation with the GAO, the investigative arm of Congress," reported the Post.
White House officials added that they did not release the information sooner because of Bush's desire to "move forward and not live in the past," said the Post.
But in the face of accusations the White House fabricated the tales of vandalism, Fleischer says the Bush team was forced to respond.
"The White House will defend itself and the career employees," Fleischer said, according to the Post account. "We tried to be gracious, but the last administration would not take graciousness. By getting the information out, we hope to put an end to this, so everyone can go on with the policy and business of the government."
Sunday's Washington Post story confirms -- five months later -- WND's earlier investigative reporting, based on knowledgeable sources such as career White House computer technicians, on exactly what was damaged in the White House by departing Clinton staffers.
Here are a few comparisons:
Post (June 3, 2001): "Fleischer said that workers were able to affix new 'W' caps to many computers but that 100 keyboards had to be replaced."
WND (Jan. 26, 2001): "Based on a preliminary survey, an estimated 50 to 60 computer keyboards were actually destroyed, and not just temporarily disabled as originally believed, after outgoing aides removed the plastic key with the letter 'W' -- President Bush's new famous middle initial.
"'We'll actually have to replace the whole keyboards, because they also gouged out the contacts underneath (the plastic keys),' said a White House computer technician in an exclusive interview with WorldNetDaily."
Post: "Fleischer also said five brass nameplates bearing the presidential seal were missing in the Eisenhower building [the Old Executive Office Building]."
WND: "Outgoing staffers pried several official U.S. emblems, about the size of 50-cent coins, from doors in the Old Executive Office Building, according to a General Services Administration worker involved in the maintenance of White House offices."
Post: "White House officials yesterday released a list of damage ... including ... 10 sliced telephone lines ... ."
WND: "Former White House aides also cut telephone lines throughout the White House compound.
"'There was a lot of them (severed lines) -- all over, including the West Wing,' said another White House employee who surveyed the phone damage."
Post: "Most of the incidents described yesterday by White House press secretary Ari Fleischer were said to have occurred in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building [also called the Old Executive Office Building, where former Vice President Al Gore and his staff officed]."
WND: "Career workers found most of the vandalism in the vice president's offices in the Old Executive Office Building, adjacent to the White House.
"'What we're seeing is that there are certain offices that did this stuff,' the computer worker added. 'A lot of it is in the vice president's office on the second floor of the OEOB.'
"'The vice president's people weren't very happy,' he offered."
Commenting on WND's scooping the Post by more than four months, WorldNetDaily.com Editor Joseph Farah asked: "Does this mean WorldNetDaily has better sources in the White House than the Washington Post?"
Farah added: "At any rate, this is just one more example of WorldNetDaily getting it first and getting it right. If readers want to get the real scoop about what's going on in Washington, WND should be their first stop."
Read Paul Sperry's Jan. 26 report, "60 White House PCs Sabotaged."
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Message: The budget agreement was with the Republicans. Clinton was able to cooperate with the Republican Congress and get a balanced budget. Reagan couldn't do it with a democratic Congress. Neither could Bush. Facts.
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Are you a complete idiot? It was spelled out to you in big type. The term "you reap what you sew" It means one obtains as a reward that which they follow.
And once again, you're wrong. The term is reap what you SOW, meaning draw the rewards or punishments from what you started.
"Context" must mean something very different to brain dead rightwingers.
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Message: Enough with the semantics of sew/sow.
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Message: Looks like the editor is the red lettered hysterical nut case. Must be the frustration of having this Hillary forum all these years and being ignored by the little socialist thief.
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Message: Can any left winger give us the definition of "is?"
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The budget agreement was with the Republicans. Clinton was able to cooperate with the Republican Congress and get a balanced budget. Reagan couldn't do it with a democratic Congress. Neither could Bush. Facts.
LIES!
Bill Clinton vetoed the first balanced budget, he did not work with the Republicans. Bill Clinton shut down the government and tried to demonize the Republicans. Bill Clinton reluctantly signed the Republican balanced budget and THEN tried to take credit for it. FACTS!
FACT. The Democrat congresses NEVER created a balanced budget.
FACT. The FIRST budget created by the Republicans was balanced and Bill Clinton vetoed it.
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And once again, you're wrong. The term is reap what you SOW, meaning draw the rewards or punishments from what you started.
Did you write the statement, NO!
Can you read minds, NO!
You are wrong. The term was “reap what you sew” It means one obtains as a reward that which they follow. Get a dictionary and stop making a fool out of yourself.
Is English your second language?
"Context" must mean something very different to brain dead rightwingers.
The problem is you self-centered left wingers think you are the center of the universe. The context has been explained to you many times but you are too thick to comprehend. Hint, you define the context of your own statements, not that of other people. You left wingers are arrogant.
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Enough with the semantics of sew/sow.
Finally a person that grasps the situation
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Name: Editor
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"As ye sow, so shall ye reap." [Gal. 6:7]
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"You reap what you sew" [Hillary Forum 374:10]
It cames from an earlier message
Why do you people keep trying to force your religion on everybody?
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Message: Galatians, chapter 6
7: Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
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Message: IS, v.i. iz. [L. est.] The third person singular of the substantive verb, which is composed of three or four distinct roots, which appear in the words am, be, are, and is. Is and was coincide with the Latin esse, and Goth.wesan. In the indicative, present tense, it is thus varied; I am, thou art, he, she, or it, is; we, ye or you, they, are. In writing and speaking, the vowel is often dropped; as, he's gone; there's none left.
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Message: For example if a President sows asking subordinates for sexual favors and lies about it in court, he will reap a judgement and be fined? Imagine that.
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Message: For example if a President sows inviting those with blood on their hands into the house of the people he too will reap a judgment. Imagine that. God is not mocked.
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Message: Why is it bad to call something odd or different "queer"?
Are the homosexuals really so happy that we should refer to them as "gay"?
If a person does a specific act most times they will be refered to in that context. So is it not politically correct to call a gay a "cocksucker"?
Why is it that most women as well as gay men get upset at this term? Is it that they take it personally?
these are innocent questions that I would like the answer to , however I am smart enough to know that all I will get is called a bigot or some such trash.
That is fine I can live without the answers to these unimportant questions.
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Message: I e-mailed in October 1999. And I just want to say that i admire you for everything you do . I just wanted to congratulate you on being Senator . Talk to ya later !
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Message: Doesn't look too good for your bigotted rightwing military does it, dumbass?
you ought to kiss their feet little girl. they are what allows you to push your fag agenda without retribution. i'd like to see you in afghanistan.
pinochet and abhrams are heroes!
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"As ye sow, so shall ye reap." [Gal. 6:7]
Thank you, Editor! There it is, dumbshit rightwinger. You're wrong. I'm right. Man, righties just can't stand being wrong - a terrible condition since they are wrong 90% of the time.
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you ought to kiss their feet little girl. they are what allows you to push your fag agenda without retribution. i'd like to see you in afghanistan. pinochet and abhrams are heroes!
Tell you what you worthless piece of militarist scum, there is a place you can stuff your cynical, lame, woman-hating diatribes...it's shaped very much like an asshole and it ought to be an easy task since the inside is shaped like your pointed head. Insert now.
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Message: Tell you what you worthless piece of militarist scum, there is a place you can stuff your cynical, lame, woman-hating diatribes...it's shaped very much like an asshole and it ought to be an easy task since the inside is shaped like your pointed head.
does this mean you ain't kissin da feet? ungrateful little wench! i would not board any helicopters-ever! know what i mean? now go make make me a pie!
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Message: ...you worthless piece of militarist scum, there is a place you can stuff your cynical, lame, woman-hating diatribes...
i consider this a compliment coming from a quasi commie disguised as some kind of heroic reformer. thank you very much! i am reassured!
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MAGPIE DREAMS UP HIS NEXT WITTY RHETORICAL SALVO
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Message: those that say ' fuck the military ' should be deported. Fortunately, that military is sworn to protect your freedom by protecting this country and what it stands for; the constitution. You do not deserve you freedom one bit. You should be ashamed. I hope you spew the shit that you do close to somebody willing to kick your ungrateful ass.
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Thank you, Editor! There it is, dumbshit rightwinger. You're wrong. I'm right. Man, righties just can't stand being wrong - a terrible condition since they are wrong 90% of the time.
here comes the victory dance. that proves it, the left has lost.
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Oh come all ye tainted
Joyful and triumphant
Ya'll welcome at the White House
Bush is waiting for you there
Apologists for mass murderers most welcome
Oh come all ye tainted
with blood upon your hands
Bush is waiting to support you
and anoint you
the protector of our humanitarian rights
Send your $$$ to:
www.whitehouse.gov
genocideRus@whitehouse.gov
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Tuesday July 10 2:17 AM ET
U.S. Takes Strong Stance on Arms
By DAFNA LINZER, Associated Press Writer
UNITED NATIONS (AP) - U.S. officials circled the wagons against international critics at a U.N. conference on small arms, saying they would rebuff any intrusion into American domestic affairs or legal rights to own guns.
A sharp rift between the United States and other delegates emerged on the first day of a two-week conference that seeks ways to control illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons, which the United Nations says are responsible for 1,000 deaths a day around the globe.
The United States voiced a host of objections to the draft proposal, including its inclusion of weapons that civilians can legally own, such as handguns and hunting rifles.
John Bolton, the U.S. undersecretary of state for arms control said Washington rejected any attempt to limit legal commerce in firearms or intrude on domestic matters such as the constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
Instead, ``it is the illicit trade in military small arms and light weapons that ... should properly concern us,'' he said Monday.
The United States ``cannot and will not support'' any move to limit gun trade only to governments or adopt a legally binding treaty to curb small arms trafficking, he said.
I cannot wait to hear how the left tries to spin this into 'Bush wants people to die!' or 'Bush supports illegal gun trade'. It's coming. Even now the leftists spin doctors are working on it. Expect the the major media to attack Bush on the 12th.
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Message: not only does that rifle not have a scope, the weapon isn't even close to the proper position for using a scope. I know you hate magpie, but gees, at least caption the pictures somewhat close to what they capture.
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Oh come all ye tainted
Joyful and triumphant
Ya'll welcome at the White House
Bush is waiting for you there
Apologists for mass murderers most welcome
Oh come all ye tainted
with blood upon your hands
Bush is waiting to support you
and anoint you
the protector of our humanitarian rights
Send your $$$ to:
www.whitehouse.gov
genocideRus@whitehouse.gov
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Message: can I assume that the anti-military asshole is PRO-nazi? our military had a huge baring on the outcome of WWII. If it weren't for the US military the nazis might have taken then world. they certainly would have taken the US if we had no military AND if we as individuals had no guns.
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Message: nah-they ain't no nazi. they are a leftist frustrated control freak who cannot control the military. i think it's pat schroeder making a comeback. this whimp is content to sit back and let someone do the dirty work as they reap the benefits. all this while denegrating the military. isn't that just precious?
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Message: I bet magpie would open the door for a lady and let her go through first, when a lady is entering after him.
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Message: Will you please shut up about the left not respecting the military. Remember what I said about bigots the other night?
My own daughter was in the Air Force and married a pilot who is still in the Air Force, and have three little boys who are spending their childhood with their parents on base.
I would be totally mad to believe we could do without the strongest possible military. I'm a strong believer in survival!
Name: ghost
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Message: I know they aren't nazi. the right is nazi! hehe. just making a point. yes, it is very precious. definately a kodak moment. 8Þ
Name: ghost
email: editor
Message: please note that I didn't claim the whole left was against the military. just this ONE leftist idiot. BTW, you aren't saying you are leftist, are you? Remember, left and right is subjective.
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email: editor
Message: I don't remember you ever rebuking the left on this forum for calling the right, the WHOLE right, Nazis and KKK memebers....
Name: magpie
email: to senor fantasma
Message: I bet magpie would open the door for a lady and let her go through first, when a lady is entering after him.
correct! thanx! trouble is that there ain't many ladies running around these days. many-many-many little girls-but not too many ladies left. i actually helped a helpless chick with her bags at the airport in kansas city today. a very nice elderly lady traveling to bermuda.
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those that say ' fuck the military ' should be deported.
Fuck the military. Deport me.
Fortunately, that military is sworn to protect your freedom by protecting this country and what it stands for; the constitution. You do not deserve you freedom one bit.
If you weren't such a braindead little fuckpistol you'd know that that my freedoms come from my Creator, not your rightwing deathsquads masquarading as freedom fighters. Get an educate you lackwit.
You should be ashamed. I hope you spew the shit that you do close to somebody willing to kick your ungrateful ass.
Tell ya what I'll come and say it in front of you, pussy. Where do you live?
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I bet magpie would open the door for a lady and let her go through first, when a lady is entering after him.
Probably.....right before he raped her for "vaginalizing" society. I'm sure he'd have the courrtesy to close the door so the police couldn't hear the screams.
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Justice = Lord of The Flies?
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Message: I didn't say I would kick your ass moron, I wouldn't. I would be too busy laughing. That, and I don't want to have to pay you some silly award from a jury full of idiots. Your freedom might come from your creater but he/she/it is certainly not going to come down and protect them. Right wing death squads? You're a moron! I can't wait for the editor to speak out against your bigotry. You want my address then ask the editor for my IP, go get my info. from my provider, and come get me. I dare YOU to say it in front of service personel. Like I said, you don't deserve the freedoms you are given. Men have died for you and you spit on them. I spit on you. You don't know justice, you just know someone changing your diaper.
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not only does that rifle not have a scope, the weapon isn't even close to the proper position for using a scope. I know you hate magpie, but gees, at least caption the pictures somewhat close to what they capture.
Gee whizz ghost, you're a dense one. Having something or someone "scoped" need not mean only through a scope or siting mechanism. It could merely mean having something or someone in sight. As in the term "I've scoped the situation out", meaning one has observed a situation either mentally or physically. Christ almighty ghost, do you have to be so anal?
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Message: old che's knickers are in a twist. proves that i must be doing something right! i think she should watch 'full metal jacket' again for a refresher. they twit cannot stand that the leftist commies in chile-el salvador-nicaragua and guatamala were defeated. isn't that precious?
tell ya what che. go down to peru and join 'the shining path' and go to jail for 20 years like that other commie medling american suburban bitch. i'd laugh!
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I dare YOU to say it in front of service personel.
Hey fuckwit (who is also a proven chickenshit), last "service personel" I tangled with ended up eating a broken beer bottle, care of me. Can I help you with anything else.
Name: chaoz
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Alright alright Rambo....stop giving us lefties a bad name. Ghost may be moved to peg us ALL as violent psychopaths. Sheesh!
Name: ghost
email: chaoz
Message: ok, you got me.
Name: ghost
email: chaoz
Message: ummm, you got me on the scope thing. I never said that all leftists are violent psycopaths...
Name: magpie
email: air force
Message: LOL! Glad you didn't say Navy! Me pops was a Navy man. When he was younger, he would be the kind I'd want justice to stand next to and attack him for being military. He's gotten mellow lately, thought he ain't 'old' yet. Now, he probably would laugh and shake his head. Much like his son would.
Name: ghost
email: air force
Message: oops, that was to magpie and not from magpie. duh!
Name: ghost
email: justice
Message: I need nothing else. You on the other hand need to learn respect for those who die for you.
Name: Herbert A. Philbrick
email:
Message: It's rather like a playpen in this chatroom.
Name: concerned
email:
Message: I was a Chaplain's Assistant (a draftee) in the army about 40 years ago. As armies go, ours wasn't as bad as some I heard about. But it was generally agreed that "If you can't make it on the outside, stay in the army. If you can make it on the outside, get out as fast as you can."
Name: chaoz
email:
Message:
Justice I think you ought to shuffle on out of here. Threatening people is dumber than dumb. Don't forget your hat.
Name: ghost
email: concerned
Message: wow concerned! I have more respect for you than I already had. Yes, although most every post you submit differs from my opinion, I have respected that your tone has remained dignified. Even when my tone has not. Knowing you served, I repect you even more.
Name: Ramar of the Jungle
email:
Message: I was a Chaplain's Assistant (a draftee) in the army about 40 years ago.
concerned is not a female as the eds would have you believe. concerned is no more a female than chaoz is a male.
concerned = bugs bunny
Name: ghost
email: ramar of the jungle
Message: I don't know about concerned being bugs. more likely Cafe Chatter is bugs than concerned. concerned might have the rhetoric, but he's much more of a mellow character than bugs..
Name: Professor Howard Ogden
email: ghost = Fudd
Message: I still conend that c is a mellowed bb, while cafe chatter = chaoz = Queen Bee.
Name: ghost
email: Prof. Ogden
Message: Yew might be wight wabbit, yow might be wight.
Name: Toubo Smith
email: ghost
Message: Money in the bank boy.
Name:
email:
Message:
You were the first thing that I thought of
When I thought I drank you off my mind
When I got lost in the liquor
Your the only one I find
And if I did the things I oughta
You still would not be mine
So Ill keep a tight grip on that bottle
getting loose and killing time
This killing time , is killing me
Drinking myself blind , thinking I wont see
That if I cross that line and they bury me
I just might find that I'll be killing time for eternity
Name: guy friday : DEA
email: guy@dea.gov
Message:
Dear senator , the war on drugs is going smoothly in Canada.
Its going so well that many people in the east are in jail now.
Dont worry , Ill find out who sent that hate mail to socks . Beeing in the DEA is hell , but someone has to monitor mens bathrooms.
Wish me luck , Guy Friday !
Name: Walter Williams
email: Liberty's Greatest Advocate
Message:
JUNE 30 marked the 200th anniversary of the birth of Frederic Bastiat. If one were to list the
top 10 advocates of liberty, French philosopher-economist Bastiat would rank high on that list.
He'd easily outrank any one of the founders of our nation. (Easy there Williams. Those guys were giants, too. Otherwise you are right on as usual.)
I'm honored to have been invited by the New York-based Foundation for Economic Education
(fec.org) to give the keynote address at a conference celebrating Bastiat's birthday, which was
held in Carcassonne, France, near where Bastiat spent most of his short life (1801-1850).
You say: "Williams, who's this guy, Bastiat? We've never heard of him." Frederic Bastiat wrote
several important works, among them "Economic Sophisms" and "The Law." In all of his writings,
he attacked tyranny, economic ignorance and self-serving myths. His observations about human
nature and government are just as true today as during his time.
Bastiat warned: "Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain -- and since labor is pain
in itself -- it follows that man will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work.
History shows this quite clearly. And under these conditions, neither religion nor morality can
stop it."
What does Bastiat mean by plunder? Plunder is when people forcibly take the property of
another. It's legalized plunder when people use government, such as our Congress, to do the
same thing. Or, as Bastiat put it, "The state is the great fiction by which everybody tries to
live at the expense of everyone else."
Since people covet and try to take what belongs to others, Bastiat said, " ...it is evident, then,
that the proper law (government) is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal
tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and
punish plunder."
Do our elected representatives protect property and punish plunder, or do they punish property
and protect plunder? It's a mixed story. Two-thirds to three-quarters of next year's $2
trillion federal budget represents legalized plunder, where Congress makes it possible for one
American to live at the expense of another. Most expenditures made by Washington's behemoth
agencies such as the Department of Agriculture, Department of Health and Human Services,
Department of Education, Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Social Security
Administration represent earnings forcibly taken from one American and given to another
American.
This legalized plunder isn't limited to money handouts. There's plunder in the form of special
privileges such as import tariffs and quotas, licenses and franchises, where government rigs
the market in favor of certain sellers, particularly those making large campaign contributions.
Often legalized plunder is done in the name of the poor. Bastiat had a prediction about that:
"When under the pretext of fraternity the legal code imposes mutual sacrifices on citizens,
human nature is not thereby abrogated. Everyone will then direct his efforts toward
contributing little to, and taking much from, the common fund of sacrifices. Now, is it the
most unfortunate who gains from this struggle? Certainly not, but rather the most influential
and calculating."
We Americans, at least the moral among us, are increasingly confronted with Bastiat's dilemma:
"When law and morality contradict one another, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either
losing his sense of morality or losing his respect for the law."
Frederic Bastiat admired our country, saying -- and noting the exceptions of slavery and
tariffs -- "Look at the United States. There is no country in the world where the law is kept
more within its proper domain: the protection of every person's liberty and property."' If
Bastiat were alive today, I doubt whether he'd have that same level of admiration.
Name: i.m.
email: concerned
Message: that was a fine reply re h.l. mencken - esp. the geo. kaufman reference. still, clever and reasonably relevant and applicable as mencken's dictum might be, i just don't go for 'one size fits all' generalizations. good reply, tho.
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Message: STATEMENT BY U.S. SENATOR DIANNE FEINSTEIN
Name: i.m.
email: 2008 Olympics
Message: Top Stories - Reuters - updated 10:44 AM ET Jul 11
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Reuters | AP | AP U.S. | The New York Times | ABCNEWS.com | Photos | Videos
Wednesday July 11 10:39 AM ET
Beijing Defends Rights Record Ahead of Olympic Vote
By Adrian Warner
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Beijing officials defended China's human rights record on Wednesday but
conceded it faced a challenge persuading world opinion that the Chinese capital should stage the 2008
Summer Olympics (news - web sites).
Bid delegates were talking to reporters two days before Friday's International Olympic Committee
(news - web sites) (IOC) vote for the 2008 venue in which Beijing is widely regarded as the favorite.
China has ruled Tibet with an iron fist since the 1950s.
They were speaking only hours after Russian police detained six Tibetan exiles and activists and at least
one journalist after a Moscow demonstration against the Chinese bid.
Beijing has faced widespread criticism over China's human rights record ahead of the vote but leading
bid official Wang Wei said: ``I think that is a big challenge for us. I think one solution is to let the world
come to China to see for themselves what China is really like.
``I think the Games will be a good opportunity to focus on China for 16 days and, in seven years
toward the Games, people can all come to China to see for themselves. I think the differences will be
easily resolved.''
Beijing is strongly favored to hold off Paris and Toronto in the vote which also includes outsiders
Osaka and Istanbul.
Asked about demonstrations, Wang said: ``I have heard about demonstrations but we are not worried.
I think we have the support of 1.3 billion people behind us. I think we have support from friends from
all over the world and we believe we can stage a great Games.
``We are not worried. The thing is China has attached great importance to the human rights of our own
people. For 50 years we are trying very hard, starting with economic development and a social
program including education and human rights.'' Just out of curiosity: how do y'all think this vite will go. I'm kind of thinking Paris is going to get it. Two main reasons: Paris is non-controversial and I think the European community may have a litle more influence than is generally acknowledged. Istanbul has the disadvantage of being too susceptible to Mid-East political turmoil. Toronto being North American is less likely because North America gets the 2004 games ( Salt lake City?). Osaka's less likely too but could be picked as a less-controversial nod to Asia.
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Message: vite: oops, VOTE
Name: i.m.
email: Huxley's Kids
Message: Embryos created solely for research
By ELIZABETH SIMPSON, The Virginian-Pilot
© July 10, 2001
In what may be a first, researchers at Eastern Virginia Medical School have
created more than 100 human embryos for the sole purpose of harvesting
stem cells to research their role in treating disease.
The experiment -- the results of which are being released today in a journal
of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine -- is significant because
previous studies have used excess embryos from frozen storage in fertility
clinics.
The EVMS Jones Institute for Reproductive Medicine study bypassed those
channels -- which are already controversial -- by approaching donors and
telling them upfront that their eggs and sperm would be used to develop
embryos for stem-cell research.
The interest in embryonic stem cells centers around their ability to generate
all other tissues of the body. Scientists believe that if doctors could learn
how to control stem cells, they could possibly cure, or better-treat, such
diseases as Alzheimer's, diabetes, cancer, Parkinson's, and spinal cord
injuries.
While the EVMS approach of creating human embryos with donor eggs and
sperm addresses some ethical concerns over the use of embryos left over
from fertility treatment, it raises a thorny issue of creating embryos, then
destroying them, to retrieve the stem cells for the sole purpose of research.
It's expected to raise enormous controversy, particularly as President Bush
considers whether to approve federal funding for research on embryonic
stem cells.
``It's still killing a human being,'' said Mary Petchel, president of the
Tidewater chapter of the Virginia Society for Human Life. ``We still believe
that a human embryo should not be destroyed.''
She said her organization opposes any kind of human embryo research but
supports other sorts of research using stem cells retrieved from umbilical
cords and placentas.
Further, some bioethicists have questioned the idea of creating embryos
expressly for research, when excess embryos from fertility clinics already
exist and are destined for disposal.
But Sean Tipton, public spokesman for the American Society of
Reproductive Medicine, said the EVMS research impressed the society
because of the donor egg and sperm approach and the thorough
examination of the ethical issues involved.
``In this kind of study, you don't deal with the concerns raised with using
excess embryos in in-vitro fertilizations,'' Tipton said. ``It's cleaner,
ethically.''
He said concerns have been raised that women in fertility programs may be
unfairly persuaded to donate unused fertilized eggs to please the doctors
treating them. The EVMS approach avoids that.
Dr. William Gibbons, chairman of the department of obstetrics and
gynecology at EVMS, said he can't predict the ethical discussion the study
-- which received no federal funds -- will generate.
``With something this controversial, we expect good people of broad
backgrounds to disagree,'' he said.
Gibbons said the discussion about the ethics of the study dates to 1996,
when a Jones Institute ethics committee first examined the idea for the
project. That discussion included a two-day conference in which clergy,
laypeople and bioethicists from across the country weighed in.
After more than a year of study, the committee concluded that ``the creation
of embryos for research purposes was justifiable and that it was our duty to
provide humankind with the best understanding of early human
development.''
Gibbons sat in on those discussions.
``We left satisfied this was justifiable,'' he said. ``This was not something
that was conceived in a closet.''
The study likely will fuel the national debate on stem-cell research. Abortion
opponents oppose stem-cell research because harvesting the stem cells
requires the death of an embryo. The government has banned federal funding
of research that would harm, damage or destroy human embryos.
The Clinton administration decided in 1999 to allow federally funded
researchers to use stem cells from surplus embryos as long as they did not
extract the cells themselves. For example, they could receive the cells from
privately funded researchers.
President Bush will decide whether to reverse the Clinton administration's
compromise. He met Tuesday night with bioethicists to sort through the
questions of scientific importance and morality of embryonic stem cell
research.
But beyond that political debate, Gibbons said the EVMS study provides
scientific data that could lead to new treatments and cures. EVMS
researcher Susan Lanzendorf authored the privately funded study, under the
direction of Gary Hodgen, the EVMS scientist who heads the Jones
Institute.
Part of the reason for using donor eggs and sperm was to capture the cells
from the very earliest embryonic stages, which have the best chance of
succeeding. The researchers believed they could glean more information
about embryo development using that method. They also were able to use
donors who were younger and healthier than the typical women seeking
fertility treatments, who are often in their later childbearing years. The
donors were interviewed by a psychologist to ensure that they knew their
eggs and sperm were to be used for stem-cell research rather than to
initiate a pregnancy.
The Jones Institute study used 162 eggs from 12 donors. Of those, 110
were fertilized. The researchers then developed four to the blastocyst stage,
which is a ball of about 140 cells that takes about 4 1/2 days to develop.
Those blastocysts were then cultured into three embryonic stem-cell lines.
``The cell lines continued to grow and remain stem cells instead of
differentiating into other types of cells,'' said Gibbons, who said that proved
that sustainable stem cells could be produced from the embryos.
The study began in 1997 and concluded last July.
Gibbons said much work remains in figuring out how stem cells can be used
in practical applications. I am also curious what y'all think of this story. I found it disturbing - in some ways, it is even more chilling than abortion. There is a pre-mdiated delbereatenes in creating embryos that are expressly expendable. Iam afraid this measure will eeive a certain amount of support from those who do not want to see fetal tissue receive any special regard. The conceivable medical benfits would hardly seem to justify the dehumanized detachment from the fact that embryos are potential human beings. Plus, there is a potential for genetic modification, and, far worse, mutation. As upset as people get about re-engineered corn,the prospect of re-engineered human cells is even more alarming
``Clearly this small project is just part of a large overall process by which we
hope to one day apply to therapeutic applications. It's one of many, many
steps in seeing that process through to conclusion.''
The Washington Post contributed to this story.
Reach Elizabeth Simpson at 446-2635 or liz@pilotonline.
Name: Croon
email:
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Just out of curiosity: how do y'all think this vite will go. I'm kind of thinking Paris is going to get it. Two main reasons: Paris is non-controversial and I think the European community may have a litle more influence than is generally acknowledged. Istanbul has the disadvantage of being too susceptible to Mid-East political turmoil. Toronto being North American is less likely because North America gets the 2004 games ( Salt lake City?). Osaka's less likely too but could be picked as a less-controversial nod to Asia. Good reasoning, i.m. My throught revela my Olympic cynicism: the city with the largest under the table bribe.
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Why am I glad I don't live in California?
SACRAMENTO -- Los Angeles County officials, realizing that there is no tax collector in outer space, hope to fill the void.
Reaching 22,300 miles above the equator, boldly going where no tax collector has gone before, Los Angeles County Assessor Rick Auerbach is angling to impose property taxes on several satellites.
Name: fred douglass
email: fuck the struggle against discrimination
Message: THe Salvation Army should get conscientious objector defferement in the ' war against discrimination'
Name: Bronze Guts
email: Shouting 'theatre' to a crowd of fires
Message: You'd better take things so seriously!
Name: Bronze Guts
email: Shouting 'theatre' to a crowd of fires
Message: You'd better take things so seriously!
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WASHINGTON - 07.09.01
On the Bush Administration's
Opposition to a UN Accord to Stem the Flow of Guns Feeding International Terrorism
and Drug Wars
"I am amazed by the Bush Administration's opposition to efforts to address
the illegal trafficking of small arms through a United Nations Accord.
The mass proliferation of small arms -- shoulder-mounted missiles, assault weapons,
grenade launchers and high-powered sniper rifles -- is fueling terrorism and
drug wars throughout the world. The United States should be a leader in curbing
the carnage the weapons create, not encouraging and enabling it.
Unfortunately in a speech Monday at the opening of the first U.N. Conference
on Small Arms, John R. Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Small Arms Control
and International Security Affairs, challenged such efforts as a possible infringement
of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Not only is Mr. Bolton flat out wrong, but it's rotten public policy to oppose
measures to control the proliferation of small, but highly lethal, arms like
AK47s when a rampant explosion of these kinds of weapons is fueling hundreds
of thousands of deaths across the continents.
First, Mr. Bolton's position on the Second Amendment is in direct contradiction
to decades of Supreme Court precedent. Not one single gun control law has ever
been overturned by the Court on Second Amendment grounds.
Contrary to the constant claims of the NRA, the meaning of the Second Amendment
has been well-settled for more than 60 years -- ever since the 1939 U.S. Supreme
Court ruling in United States v. Miller. In that case, the defendant was charged
with transporting an unregistered sawed-off shotgun across state lines.
In rejecting a motion to dismiss the case on Second Amendment grounds, the Court
held that the "obvious purpose" of the Second Amendment was "to
assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness" of the state
militia. Because a sawed-off shotgun was not a weapon that would be used by
a state militia (like the National Guard), the Second Amendment was in no way
applicable to that case, said the Court.
If a sawed-off shotgun is not protected by the Second Amendment, why does the
Administration seem to feel that the Second Amendment protects the international
trafficking of shoulder-launched missiles? If an American citizen cannot freely
transport a sawed-off shotgun across state lines, why can't we work to stop
the international transportation of grenade launchers and high powered, military
sniper rifles? The Second Amendment argument simply makes no sense, and has
no place in this debate.
The proliferation of small arms is a staggering problem: An estimated 500 million
illicit small arms and light weapons are in circulation around the globe, and
in the past decade four million people -- more than 50% believed to be civilians
-- have been killed in civil war and bloody fighting. The grimmest figures come
from developing countries where small arms and light weapons have become the
weapons of choice for narco-traffickers, terrorists and those involved in bloody
civil conflicts.
The volume of weaponry has fueled cycles of violence and been a major factor
in the devastation witnessed in recent conflicts in Africa, the Balkans, and
South Asia, among other places. These conflicts undermine regional stability
and endanger the spread of democracy and free-markets around the world.
The increased access by terrorists, guerrilla groups, criminals, and others
to small arms and light weapons puts in jeopardy U.S. law enforcement efforts,
business people based or traveling overseas, and even U.S. tourists.
In approaching the United Nations Conference, the U.S. government should negotiate
and support making the trafficking of small arms traceable and eliminate the
secrecy that permits thousands of weapons to fuel crime and war without anyone's
knowledge of their source. We should be taking the lead on this issue, not taking
the NRA line and opposing life-saving proposals.
U.S. leadership should ensure that the Conference is the first step, not the
last, in the international community's efforts to control the spread of small
arms and light weapons. I urge the Administration to step up and recognize the
importance of this issue."
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