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Name: Slimm

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There is one thing that sort of worries me , are all of the Democrats as narrow minded and uninformed as the whirrly gigs that write into this forum?

Hopefully these small minded insulting humanoids are not an accurate sampling of the American Democrat. If it is we have a lot bigger problems than I had foreseen.

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Message: Name: KIROV email: 'SHE HAD BECOME LIKE THEY ARE' Message: Friday June 1 11:20 AM ET Powell: Bush to Renew China's Normal Trade Status WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) will notify Congress on Friday that he plans to renew normal trade relations with China for an additional year, Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said. With diplomatic relations still strained over Beijing's decision in April to hold crew members of a downed U.S. surveillance plane for 11 days, Powell said maintaining normal trade relations would help U.S. exporters while promoting change ``for the better'' in China. ``The president's decision is not an endorsement of China's policies, some of which clearly conflict with America's views and values,'' Powell said, writing in The Washington Post. ``Rather, we believe that extension of normal trade relations with China again this year is clearly in America's interest.'' Bush signaled his decision earlier this week to extend normal trade relations for an additional year in a speech that was well received by Chinese officials. ``We express our welcome,'' Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhu Bangzao said in response. ``This is a two-way reciprocal trade arrangement between two nations and absolutely not a favor granted by one country to another.''

MY TWO CENTS - THIs MAY BE AGOOD MOVE IF IT EMPOWERS JENG XIAMIN TO BETTER REIN IN THE PLA - BUSH CAN ADD SOME STICK WITH THIS CARROT IF STARTS MAKING NOISES ABOUT CHINA getTING WITH THE PROGRAM RE WTO FULL COMPLIANCE & MARKET TRANSPARENCY - PRC HAS A WAYS TO GO IN THIS REGARD - HE ALSO NEEDS TO DO WHAT HE CAN TO STIMULATE HEMISPHERIC TRADE NAFTA PLUS LATIN AMERICA - THAT COULD SERVE AS A WAKE-UP CALL TO CHINA NOT TO TAKE THEIR EXPORT PRIMACY FOR GRANTED enter your name: enter your email: enter your message: or

Name: Slimm

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Message: Pardon me if I called the long haired lovely a jackass , I had a much higher opinion of you than to think your only rebuttal would be so inane.

In any debate that I may have I feel I have won when that is the only kind of rebuttal I recieve in answer to my comments.

Would you please accept my humble apology?

Name: FatBoy 2 Slimm

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Message: Remember "The Map"! (Anyone know a link for that graphic?) Libs live in three places. We have the rest. They can keep the sewers known as big cities. I like the country. Stinks less. Fewer criminals (and the local cops know them all by name). If they want to live in the cesspools I say we let 'em.

Name: magpie

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Message: Message: mike-i don't know why you keep posting this geo-political stuff about asia in general and russia in particular. the leftists of this forum don't give a shyte about potential geo-political alliances. they're focused on some rich guy who pays through the nose paying for their fucking controlling nanny state. what pissed them off is that after they rape the rich-some of them still can afford a lexus. the leftists are no more than self rightious ingnorami with a petty jealous mean streak. they do their best to undereducate young people in hopes that they will be too stupid to figure out their charade. wayne lapierre is right. they need and want more violence and gun deaths to perptuate their agenda. you can bet your ass that bill clinton was happy about the OKC bombing and used it in a way to boost his ratings. that's the way they are.

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Message: Name: magpie email: Message: i say we head the civil war off at the past and just split the country up ala yougoslavia. let the leftists have their third world welfare state and the conservatives their own country based on slef sufficiency. they can export babs cd's and syndicated rosie o'fatass shows for revenue. we'll manufacture high tech stuff to sell to them. of course they won't have any money to buy so we will have to look elsewhere for our markets. i wonder how the military would take the split? Name: LOU B. YANCA email: '40,000 MEN AND WOMEN EVERY DAY' Message: John McCain dumped the wife who stood by him through his captivity with the North Vietnamese who gave him preferential treatment over other prisoners. ..... ***Not that I'm any huge McCain fan, but isn't it a laugh to watch the same people who demonized Jeffords now start up against McCain?*** MAIS NON, WE WERE POITING OUT WHAT A DUPLICITOUS SHAM mCCAIN IS LONG BEFORE JEFFORDS PULLED HIS WITCHEROO. MCCAIN IS AN OPPORTUNIST ELITZI OF THE WORST RANK - NEXT TO HIM EVEN BILL CLINTON STARTS TO LOOK PRINCIPLED - THATS WHY THE DEMOS ARE SO ENAMORED OF APPLE-HEAD MCCAIN.

BUT ON OTHER NOTE RE JEFFORDS - JEFFORDS IS A WORM BOY, PRETENDING TO BE A MAN OF CONSCIENCE WHEN HE IS JUST A CREATURE OF OPPORTUNITY - HE SWITCHED PARTIES IN HOPE OF GETTING PLUM ASSIGNMENTS FROM THE DEMOS BECAUSE HIS POWER ON COMMITTEE WAS ABOUT UP DUE TO GOP TERM LIMITS. BUT I DON'T THINK HE ESPECIALLY DEFRAUDED HIS VERMONT CONSTITUENTS, THEY AREA PRETTY LEFTY BATCH OF REPUBLICANS WHO I THINK SEEM TO BE JUST AS COMFORTABLE WITH HIM AS A DEMOCRAT. JEFFORDS COMPLAINED HE WASN'T GETTING ENOUGH ATTENTION BUT HE DID GET MORE MONEY FRO SPECIAL ED THIS YEAR - HE JUST NEEDED AN EXCUSE TO GRANDSTAND.

IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW LONG HIS HONEYMOON WITH THE DEMOS LASTS. ITS FUNNY HOW VERY PARTISAN AND PARTY-ALIGNED SO MANY SELF-STYLED INDEPENDENTS ARE.

Name: cafe chatter

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Slimm what makes you think it's only Democrats who oppose your GOP reign of error?

There are Progressives, Leftists, Hard core feminists, Unionists, Labor Activists, Enviro-activists (Earth First, Sierra Club etc), Anarchists, Socialists, New Left, Black Panthers, CISCAP, Maoists, Marxists, La Raza, ShadowWarriors, and hell....even Libertarians!

How pathetically small minded of you to focus on the obvious target as the only one.

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Remember "The Map"! (Anyone know a link for that graphic?) Libs live in three places. We have the rest. They can keep the sewers known as big cities. I like the country. Stinks less. Fewer criminals (and the local cops know them all by name). If they want to live in the cesspools I say we let 'em.

Good. Then let's get rid of the Electoral College and let the people elect the president for a change. You'll talk nicer to population centers of the "liberals".

Name: bill deal & the rhondells

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Message: i post it just to mystify people and cause i'm a fanatic for all this junk - i should know better because except for a few of the other paleozoids here, you and the editor mainly, almost no one ever responds to the international stuff.

it is kind of a neo-pre-columbian mind set we're seeing.

Name: The Revolution Begins?

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Enough already!
By Jon Dougherty

Let me see if I have this correct.

Public display of the Ten Commandments in the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, D.C., is OK, but displaying those same commandments in public or in government buildings in Indiana is not OK, right?

So far, so good.

Next, public display of the Ten Commandments in the Supreme Court's actual chamber is not an official congressional or government recognition of a particular (Christian) religion, but public display of the same commandments in Indiana is, right?

OK.

Finally, displaying the Ten Commandments in the chamber of the U.S. Supreme Court is not a violation of the First Amendment, but displaying them in Indiana is, right?

Right – according to the U.S. Supreme Court and some lower federal courts, anyway.

If you're confused, that's OK – it's normal. Most thinking people are confused by this, since it reeks of hypocrisy and constitutional violation.

Nonetheless, this is exactly what the Supreme Court said earlier this week when justices, by a 6 to 3 margin, decided not to hear a case involving the public display of the Ten Commandments on a monument in front of a municipal building in a place called Elkhart, Ind.

I'll explain.

Elkhart city officials were sued a few years back by the American Civil Liberties Union because, allegedly, public display of the Ten Commandments on city government-owned turf is a violation of the Constitution's "separation of church and state" mandate that is supposedly buried somewhere in the First Amendment.

The problem with that argument is the same as it's always been: There is no constitutional language calling for a "separation of church and state" and, while I'm at it, I challenge any commie ACLU lawyer to show me where the Constitution actually says that.

Rather, the First Amendment says only this: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

The "separation of church and state" phrase came from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a Baptist group in the early 1800s. That phrase does not exist in the Constitution of the United States, and yet, it has been used successfully by the ACLU and other legal groups to prohibit public displays of any kind of religious inscription, portrayal, or characters in cities and states all over the country.

Worse, that means any number of federal judges have accepted this bogus argument as valid, yet none of them have ever been able to honestly cite that passage in any of their rulings because it simply does not exist in our supreme governing document.

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Message: You'll talk nicer to population centers of the "liberals".

Why?

Name: FatBoy 2 monikerless coward asshole criminal retard

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Good. Then let's get rid of the Electoral College and let the people elect the president for a change. You'll talk nicer to population centers of the "liberals".

Why would I want to violate the wisdom of the Constitution or "talk nicer" about the criminals who've banded together in the Democratic Party?

Name: Libs to Map

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Message: "Libs live in three places."

Make that: Libs live in threeBEST places.

Name: brit

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Enough already! By Jon Dougherty

What an idiot.

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"mike-i don't know why you keep posting this geo-political stuff about asia in general and russia in particular. the leftists of this forum don't give a shyte about potential geo-political alliances"

Excuse me, magpie, speak for yourself. I ENJOY AND APPRECIATE Indian Mike geo-political stuff about Asia in general and Russia in particular. I READ what Indian Mike writes (when he paragraphs it) and appreciate it. Indian Mike is an intellectual and brings me information I NEED TO KNOW, so stop with the insults.

Name: FatBoy 2 monikerless coward asshole criminal retard

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Good. Then let's get rid of the Electoral College and let the people elect the president for a change. You'll talk nicer to population centers of the "liberals".

Why would I want to violate the wisdom of the Constitution or "talk nicer" about the criminals who've banded together in the Democratic Party?

Name: Brilliant rebuttle!

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brit

What an idiot.

Name: FatBoy

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. I ENJOY AND APPRECIATE Indian Mike geo-political stuff about Asia in general and Russia in particular.

I'm with the Editor on this one. indian mike is one of the sharpest tools in the shed as pappy used to say...

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Message: There are Progressives, Leftists, Hard core feminists, Unionists, Labor Activists, Enviro-activists (Earth First, Sierra Club etc), Anarchists, Socialists, New Left, Black Panthers, CISCAP, Maoists, Marxists, La Raza, ShadowWarriors, and hell....even Libertarians!

lost and lost and lost of union people like the GOP a whole lot better than big labor's fat cat leaders - lots of libertarians seem closer to the republicans than the demos - the rest of that bunch doesn't add up to much - but then the Bolseheviks never were more than a fringe group either, dspite their name. Believe it or not, that batch is a whole, whole lot more marginal than you realize, notwithstanding their disproportionate publicity apparatus - big sqwauk, lotta talk, hearts of chalk

Name: Slimm

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Message: Pardon me if I called the long haired lovely a jackass , I had a much higher opinion of you than to think your only rebuttal would be so inane.

In any debate that I may have I feel I have won when that is the only kind of rebuttal I recieve in answer to my comments.

Would you please accept my humble apology?

Name: Slimm

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Message: Pardon me if I called the long haired lovely a jackass , I had a much higher opinion of you than to think your only rebuttal would be so inane.

In any debate that I may have I feel I have won when that is the only kind of rebuttal I recieve in answer to my comments.

Would you please accept my humble apology?

Name: Editor to Slim

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Message: Ok, Ok..You're pardoned. I still love you! But don't do it again...

Name: magpie

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Message: Could it be the reality that slashing slashing slashing social programs and the taxes that pay for them is actually going to harm these very groups? Again, what political movement started and fought for the abolition of child labor? For social security? For Medicaid? GI Bill? Safe drinking water and food? For the right of women and Blacks to vote? For the right of working people to organize for a fair wage, work day and safe working condition? LIBERALS my friend, that's who.

no shit! i don't want no fucking social security- thank you're over concerned ass very much. i'd rather keep the money and make a real return on it-but you would lose your biggest tool to kept the lefts dependent constituency. i don't want your fucking medicaid either. drives the price of care way up as the doctors and healthcare providers know that they can rip off the unfeeling government with impunity. i really feel like i should have a choice as to whether i have to pay for some lazy jerkoffs medical care. you do understand the term 'choice' don't you?

as far as working conditions-you better kneel down to the alter of the hated richard nixon for osha.or at least give hima little credit if you can find it in your black heart.

Name: Rojohn

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The defection of Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords from the Repugs brought into sharp relief the contrast between George W. Bush’s mantra about changing the negative tone of Washington and the reality.

The ultra-conservative Washington Times may have expressed the schizophrenia best on its May 24 editorial page. The newspaper, which is financed by South Korean theocrat Rev. Sun Myung Moon, highlighted what it called the “outrage of the week” in an editorial that accused Senate Democrats of delivering “a major hit” to “the political civility that President George W. Bush committed himself to restore in Washington.”

The editorial complained that Democratic leaders had balked at a plan to let 98-year-old Senator. Strom Thurmond, R-S.C., skip some late-night votes by “pairing” him with a Democratic senator who would agree not to vote. Though this decision seems to have come from the Democratic leadership, the Times tossed in freshman Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for blame, with a gratuitous slap at profits she made from commodities trading in the 1970s.

Then, in its own strange “pairing” – given the concern for civility – the Times published a crude editorial cartoon depicting Jeffords with donkey ears. “If he talks like a jackass, walks like a jackass, looks like a jackass, and calls himself an elephant, then he’s probably a dumb jackass,” the Washington Times cartoonist wrote.

This unblushing juxtaposition of high-minded language about civility and the politics of insult has become typical of this new political landscape in which language grows ever more distant from reality. Shrub’s supporters, in particular, wax eloquent about their commitment to political gentility while continuing the opposite behavior, without a wince for the hypocrisy.

The Jeffords defection, which cost Republicans control of the Senate, ripped off the genteel masks big time. The Wall Street Journal dubbed Jeffords “a big baby” in one online editorial. “Benedict Jeffords,” howled the headline of the New York Post.

The National Review’s Jonah Goldberg observed ruefully, “I know that it’s illegal to sew a half-starved weasel into his small intestine, but there are other options.”

Judicial Restraint?

Beyond language, the events of the past decade have made clear that even the application of law is now just a political weapon.

On the same days as the civility editorial and the Jeffords-jackass cartoon, The Washington Times carried advertisements for a “tribute to Honourable N. Sanders Sauls,” the Florida judge who rejected Vice President Al Gore’s motion for a Florida recount after Sauls had eaten up precious time last fall and then refused to examine the ballots that had been introduced as evidence.

This latest Sanders Sauls tribute – scheduled for June 7 – is sponsored by the right-wing Judicial Watch, which filed an endless string of lawsuits against Democrats during the Clinton administration and intervened on Bush’s behalf in the recount battle. Sauls, who apparently sees nothing wrong in siding openly with partisan factions, also is being honoured in June by the FreeRepublic.com group, another far-right collection of rabid Clinton-haters.

Name: Sam Peckinpaw

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Message: Rojohn, any way you slice it Jeffords ran as a Republican, won as a Republican, changed party affiliation at the behest of Democrats and was rewarded by Democrats. The fact that he has always voted as a Democrat is his only defense. I say, and many other say, good riddance. I hope we run the Liberals out of the Republican Party and I hope you run the Conservatives out of the Democratic Party. The time for honestly choosing sides is upon us.

Name: magpie

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Message: sorry for my outbursts. mike i was trying to be sarcastic and to ridicule the selfish hypocrites on the left-not to entice you not to post the articles in the sino-former soviet region. it's just that this thing with the rift is getting worse and worse. both sides do it-know they do it-but are reduced to the trump blame game. the left uses these exchanges them in the name of victimhood and persecution to further their already communist agenda. i keep hearing that because america is capitalist-it is ugly and not something to aspire to. they want us all to live in an orderly society where any individuality is ridiculed. like one of those scandinavian countries where life is fair and gentile. guess what? those countries have some of the highest suicide rates in the world! people don't like to be controlled! it's depressing! conformity will kill us! but the collectivists don't give a shit! when an individualist talks about the cruelties of capitalism-they always yap about social darwinism and how freakin unfair it is. they sure don't care about people blowing their brains out or jumping off a building as they feel that they are malcontents who are better off for society if they are dead. but when i say let some lazy fuck starve-i'm evil and mean.

THIS AIN'T EUROPE!!!

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Sen. Jeffords to Return Some Campaign Donations

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Vermont Sen. James Jeffords (news - web sites) plans to return campaign donations to voters in his state who asked for refunds after his defection from the Republican Party, his spokesman said on Thursday.

Jeffords's press secretary, Eric Smulson, confirmed some Vermonters had asked for their money back. However, Smulson said he did not know the exact number of refund requests the senator had received.

Jeffords left the Republican Party last week, saying he felt it had become too conservative. He became an independent, but his move tipped the balance of power in the Senate to the Democrats.

Earlier on Thursday, his office said Jeffords had received death threats after announcing his decision to leave the Republican ranks.

``He did receive threats,'' Smulson said. ``We are taking them very seriously.''

Smulson would not comment on whether Capitol Police officers had been assigned to protect Jeffords, who is attending an environmental conference in Italy this week.

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Name: Witch Hazel

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Message: Jeffords is no traitor. He made a decision according to his conscience, just as Sandra Day O'Connor did when she tipped the election to Bush. One person CAN make a difference in this great democracy, never forget that.

Jeffords just evened the score, as I see it. If the Supreme Court can change the outcome of a national election with impunity, then certainly one Senator can change his party because he honestly believes it is what he has to do.

This election will stand out in history for its confusion and muddy legal maneuvering. As Jon Stewart dubbed it, the last election really was "INDECISION 2000." And it still is. Jeffords just made a move that helped correct a bad decision in this election mess.

Name: California Strikes Back

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Thanks loads. That link was a good shout ... and sooooo therapeutic.

Name: St. Bernard Parish girls have the nicest behinds

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Message: mike i was trying to be sarcastic and to ridicule the selfish hypocrites on the left-not to entice you not to post the articles in the sino-former soviet region. it's just that this thing with the rift is getting worse and worse.

Ahh Hahh! Just as I thought...no slight was perceived and the rift has gotten so cavernous we may as well have some fun and give each other ome guff if we don't want to become lock-step automata like so many of the opposition (but not all.

the part about europe i hope our leftie friends read and think about they want to be able to enforce their tax policies here as well in europe - we have agreed to share tax data with euro agencies so we don't become the tax haven we once were.

i remeber some eengineers at Sub____ Co. from Hull and Yarmouth talking about how bad itw was pre-Thatcher w/double digits everything but new jobs. Europe seems to be going back tothose days - and contrary to what the even the most well-intentioned adgerents of govt. safety nets for all would admit, they have not made things that much better. agirl from scaandinavia was talking on wtix owner ed butler's radio show saying how cold and horrid the sweish were with their national health - they let people sit in waiting rooms for days, literally stepping over infirm people unable to move as they come and go on their own timetables.

it ain't just their staff - they have little in the way of materiel , equipment, or medicines - except on paper. like you said ( juust about), that is where complete medicaid will get us. .unfortunately, some of the bst & brightest ( non-profit biz stock language) who outshine even our crazed minds do like the cinder-block and dunce cap approach best.

but like your boy said, 'i ws born in little rock (not really)/had a childhood sweetheart/we gonna buy a big lownmower/then we'll make it through the weeds/ yeah yeah yeah'

or somethin like that

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email: Hazel's Bologna!

Message: with impunity? They have had to put up with ignorant disrespect and twaddle of people who know full well the Court was doing its duty not its preference.

Name: i.m.

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Message: i liked that engineer joke - i sent it to my boss who is married to an engineer and it has already gotten lots of laffs

Name: Revisionist

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Jeffords is no traitor. He made a decision according to his conscience,

Had he "made a decision according to his conscience" before he ran and was elected as a Republican I might be inclined to agree. As it stands he stabbed every single person who voted for him over his Democrat opposition in the back. The fact that he's giving back some of his contributors money is a step in the right direction. Now, if he could just refund the votes. Any bets on him winning his next election? (I wonder if Vegas has odds on this yet?)

Name: Sven Roglestad

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Message: Ya, dis Magpie es rite. Dey vant to control us all de time. De vinters are veery lonk ant depressink. Ve vood like to live in Amerika before it's like it is here.

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Whoa! That Prince of Peace throws a MEAN hip check!

Name: Unfinished Business

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In a last-minute executive order, ex-President Clinton extended his daughter's Secret Service protection till she leaves Stanford University, where she is a senior. VERY WISE PARENT

Wise? Evil might be a more accurate term. Self centered, greedy asshole might even be better. This pig is making tons of cash just for talking (his only actual talent) and he foots ME for the security detail for his daughter AFTER HE LEAVES PUBLIC OFFICE. This son af a bitch has never paid his own way and never will. What better statement of the Democratic Party's system of beliefs could there be?! No personal responsibility, just fuck the taxpayers again. Go Bubba Go! (Just stay gone!)

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Oh yeah? Just try and foul me ya little bastard...see if you live after death

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14-23-12..hut..hut...SALVATION!

Name: concerned

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email: Igloo rock

Message: If all the swedes looked like a young Inger Stevens, they could have socialized birdfeeders and I wouldn't care. Bu they don't look loike Inger and they quit making Abba records, so they should just be made a province of Portugal.

Name: magpie

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Message: people kill themselves over there more because the feminists have a lot of power and drive others crazy.

like the old joke: why do men die younger than women? answer-because they want to.

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There have been many cases of people sent to the hospital, and even the morgue, from turd-gobbling

damn

Name: Slimm

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Message: Pardon me if I called the long haired lovely a jackass , I had a much higher opinion of you than to think your only rebuttal would be so inane.

In any debate that I may have I feel I have won when that is the only kind of rebuttal I recieve in answer to my comments.

Would you please accept my humble apology?

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Name: Slimm

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Message: Looks like I have a buddy some where , that is odd.

You know I could not care less about what Jeffords does , but it does seem a few people would feel stepped on after voting for a Republican only to find he is a Democrat.

It is not just that , it is also the fact that in reality he sold his vote. You can argue that but , did he or did he not recieve remuneration for switching sides.

Okay , if you want to argue that did he get something for jumping sides that he would not have gotten had he remained a Repulican?

You southpaws can rationalize anything from violent rape to common theft so I don't see this as a problem for you , I would just like to see it printed. Thanks

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Message: Would you please accept my humble apology?

smells like teen spirit

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You know I could not care less about what Jeffords does , but it does seem a few people would feel stepped on after voting for a Republican only to find he is a Democrat.

Pay attention, Slimm. He's not a Democrat, he's now an Independent.

You righties should get some facts before you whine.

Name: Bongo the shitfaced baboon

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Message: Pay attention, Slimm. He's not a Democrat, he's now an Independent.

You righties should get some facts before you whine.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then godammit, it's a f*cking DUCK!

Jeffords already stated that he will vote with the dumocrats, like he always has. He gave control of the senate to the dumocrats through his calculated defection. Hell, if all he wanted to do was be a puppet of the dumocrats, he could've continued on his merry way of socalist voting from within the Republican party. For all practical purposes, he could have declared himself a communist, a fascist, a neo-nazi, cuz it doesn't matter.

HE'S EFFECTIVELY A DEMOCRAT!!!

Name: Kerchak the Great Ape

email: All Hail Bongo!

Message: "http://www.sugarmegs.org/"

this is a page of live realaudio files, largeley the dead plus there is some others and why i mention this today is a real cool live set from neil (young not diamond, sorry)circa 1976 - so far it is just acoustic but i amhoping the second file will be crazy horsee or sumthin like that - a good time for neil, circa 'tonights the night', before 'rust never sleeps.

and, some of those dead files are worth checking out : anything from 65-66 is just real cool w/a kind of goofy sir doug/? & the mysterians sound, bfore they turnd into the richman's jimmie buffet from tie-died hell.

there is some other stuff, allmans from 71 notably, i hadn't seen on here before but some people i hope would get a kick out of this. caveat emptor, re the dead : beware any performances past early 71, they get kinda fonky from then on...

Name: Smedley

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Message: HUNT DOWN AND KILL REPUBLICANS THEY ARE WORTHLESS SLIME CHILD MOLESTERS AND ADULTERERS WHO HIDE BEHIND THEIR BIBLE TO FORNICATE WITH THERE WHORES

Respectfully, it should be "their whores", not "there whores". By the way, as former president Clinton has proclaimed that blowjobs are not sex, would you consider getting a blowjob from a whore "formicating"?

Another question. What is a "slime child" and why would a Republican want to molest one?

Name: Lou B. Yanka

email: Kraznya Ploshadh

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Slime Goddess #1 : Danielle Dax!!!

Name: Smedley

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Me, I've always been a Siouxsie and the Banshees fan.

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Message: I know a 30-something straight married guy with 4 kids who got fucked up the ass by a gay friend of mine. Plus he's having an affair with a married woman who is friends with and a co-worker of the gay guy too. At least 1 of them reads this forum.

Sorry, but it ain't such a secret!

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HUNT DOWN AND KILL REPUBLICANS THEY ARE WORTHLESS SLIME CHILD MOLESTERS AND ADULTERERS WHO HIDE BEHIND THEIR BIBLE TO FORNICATE WITH THERE WHORES

Liberals are hate-filled AND stupid.

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I second the Siouxsie!

"Kiss them for me, I may be delayed"

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Speaking of Gothic (or semi-fetish), nobody beats Dita Von Teese

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Siouxsie and John Lydon-Rotten

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Now might be a good time for politicians of all stripes to come to the aid of their country — and their profession — by informing the rest of us that their private lives are none of our business, period.

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"there's a man who's looking in,
and he smiles a toothless grin"

By the way, there was another gothic-esque band that did a song "ceremony". They broke up and the remnants formed another band that did a remake of the song.

It went something like

Dum-dee-dee---dum-dee-dee---dum-dee-dee
Dum-dee-dee---dum-dee-dee---dum-deeee-deeee
Dum-dee-dee---dum-dee-dee---dum-dee-dee
Dum-dee-dee---dum-dee-dee---dum-deeee-deeee
......"oh how I wish you were here with me nowwwww"

Dum-dummm-dum-dummm-dum.....Dum-dummm-dum-dummm-dum....

Can you remember the band?

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Message: joy division turning into new order

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Thhhhaaatttttt's IT!!!!! Spanks!

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cafe chatter: Slimm what makes you think it's only Democrats who oppose your GOP reign of error?

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Message: "It's a lot like life,
it's played beneath the sheets,
with you on top,
and me underneath"

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now for the grand prize -- where do these lyrics come from?

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"I used to be indecisive - but now I'm not so sure!" "I'm not gay!!! I've nothing against them! It's just that I think God created Adam and Eve - not Adam and Steve!"

"Aha-aa!"

"You are all going to have to try to muddle through without me on this Forum. I'm gone for good now."

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cafe chatter: Slimm what makes you think it's only Democrats who oppose your GOP reign of error?

Name: Alan Partridge

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" Depeche Mode
Behind The Wheel/Route 66 "

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Hitlary Clinton: Attack Dog

Neal Boortz - Newsmax.com - May 31, 2001

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From Third Reich to Third Way to Third Rail

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Message: Right wingers are weird. Clinton has not been indicted nor convicted of perjury or obstruction of justice. Believe me, if Clinton had committed perjury or had obstructed justice, Starr and his successor would have indicted him post haste. Both prosecutors knew they didn't have a case, so they were satisfied to try him by innuendo. I wish Clinton would have been indicted and tried so that a jury could have found him not guilty and put the whole matter to rest.

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email: i'm outta here as soon as I collect my grand prize

Message: Where's my fuckin grand prize Smedhead?

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Message: Right wingers are weird. Clinton has not been indicted nor convicted of perjury or obstruction of justice. Believe me, if Clinton had committed perjury or had obstructed justice, Starr and his successor would have indicted him post haste.

Hey, dumbass! Clinton negotiated a plea bargain to avoid criminal prosecution. The former first perpetrator was also convicted of civil contempt for lying in court and he lost is law license.

Both prosecutors knew they didn't have a case, so they were satisfied to try him by innuendo.

Right! No case at all. Nothing like a video of Clinton lying through his teeth.

I wish Clinton would have been indicted and tried

Damn. so do I

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Message: Where's my fuckin grand prize Smedhead?

Sorry -- free Nabster software HERE

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Police Nab Breast-Temptress Thieves

BOGOTA, Colombia (Reuters) - Three young Colombian women preyed on men by smearing their breasts with a powerful drug and luring the victims into taking a lick, before making off with their wallets and cars, police said on Friday.

The women stood by the side of the road near bars and restaurants in wealthy parts of the capital Bogota, striking seductive poses to lure men driving by to stop, a police spokeswoman told Reuters.

After licking the women's breasts, the men lost all will-power. They came to their senses hours later to find they had lost their wallets and cars but with no memory of what had happened.

The three women, in their late teens or early 20s, were arrested in Bogota on Thursday in possession of powerful narcotic pills.

``They dissolved the pills in water and rubbed it into their breasts,'' the spokeswoman said.

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Jeffords already stated that he will vote with the dumocrats, like he always has.

The rethuglicans can't help but lie. Jeffords has NOT "always" voted with the Democrats. He has on some issues, against them on others. Know what that means, cockface? It means that he's a man of CONSCIENCE, who thinks for himself....anathema to the lockstep, groupthink fascists in the GOP.

Name: Smedley

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Message: The rethuglicans can't help but lie. Jeffords has NOT "always" voted with the Democrats. He has on some issues, against them on others. Know what that means, cockface? It means that he's a man of CONSCIENCE, who thinks for himself....anathema to the lockstep, groupthink fascists in the GOP.

No -- Jeffords has a very left-tilted voting record. He even voted for "Hillary care", partial-birth abortion and a number of other issues that are properly described as "radical left".

Jeffords is no "man of conscience". He ran as a Republican in the last election prepared to bolt the party. As to any "lockstep, groupthink fascists" attitude, it appears that over 1,500 politicians bailed the Democrat party in the last eight years to escape the narrow-minded and radical left.

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Message: The rethuglicans can't help but lie. Jeffords has NOT "always" voted with the Democrats. He has on some issues, against them on others. Know what that means, cockface? It means that he's a man of CONSCIENCE, who thinks for himself....anathema to the lockstep, groupthink fascists in the GOP.

By the way, the ACU (American Consrevative Union) rates Jeffords voting record as an "8", with 100 being the ultra-conservative and 1 being the ultra-liberal.

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Name: Smedley

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Message: I am out of here. Best to all

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Message: Just when Americans breathed relief that Arkansas could not produce anything downhill from Orval Faubus, they afflicted us with Bill and Hillary Clinton, who have brought our nation around a bend in the road that enables Americans to catch a glimpse of Armageddon. Via the reek of their corruption, America has begun to draw scavengers. The Clinton's deterioration of our freedom, dishonor of their offices, pollution of our ethos, and generalized depravity, have given tyranny a foothold in the bog they have made of our culture, and has run down the future until it has become a slum neighborhood in which our children must live. Lamentably, we live in a political age when all the world's leaders are worthless simpering buttercups. One sickens at the prospect of Tony Blair's candy ass resting on a pew in the House of Commons that once pedestaled the noble haunches of William Pitt, Benjamin Disraeli and Winston Churchill. In our country, politics reached its nadir with Bill Clinton, the only sonofabitch in America you can call a liar, a traitor, or a pervert (or for that matter a sonofabitch, as I do here) without getting into a fistfight, because Clinton's also a coward. In a time of danger, or even risk, a sluice gate opens in his viscera and releases a pond into his pants of sufficient volume to stock with trout. It will be remembered, rather than stand with his countrymen in Viet Nam, Clinton spent his time at Oxford sniffing chairs, hoping to catch an after-fragrance of the limp and supercilious Sebastian Flyte. Clinton is the liar's' liar, the traitor's traitor, the pervert's pervert, and the scumbag's scumbag. In order to look presidential by comparison, he surrounded himself with bureaucratic ciphers that are all tapioca pudding and false grit. His Cabinet boasts not one individual of purpose or character who has the courage to suggest an alternative, let alone oppose him. Most have little worthwhile experience. They are the "Ain't Been There - Ain't Done That Gang." (Despite her worthless adventures in the UN, it is apparent, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's most significant experience in foreign relations is once having had breakfast in The International House of Pancakes.) Hillary, the Arkansas Maggot, wants to be dictator more than many Americans want to be free. Deluged by the weight and frequency of her lies, Americans have gone insensate. The adjustment to this is least arduous for Clinton's most loyal (read: susceptible) constituency - the ignorant, who have always met all tests of perception with The Numb Response. The other people they send to the Senate further corroborate that.

The Clinton infestation has termite-weakened America's national defense structure for oily political money, and subverted faith in our system of government with sneaky and labyrinthine backroom legislative connivance. Now comes the demolition ball: confiscation, curfew, and extralegal Arkansas-type Nuremberg laws. Aspiring despots need an Orwellian paradox as a catalyst for their usurpation of power, especially the particularly furtive, on the sly, under the table, thief in the night, backdoor, despot-in-waiting Bill Clinton. Thus, and with straight face, Clinton will propose himself as the only viable alternative to the corruption he has created, in a sense the venomous antidote to his own venom.

It is the standard operating procedure of despots to oppress people to the point of acting rashly, then crushing them for it. Like Hitler, Hillary will keep "up-ing the ante" of his demands on the American people's freedom until they have no choice but to resist - and then he will move in with armed and lunatic force. (We recall, with anguish, the "fuzz" who descended on Ruby Ridge and bullhorned defiantly, "We hear you people are survivalists. Let's see what ya' got!" Survivalists these rural folks may have been. Survive, they did not.)

Politicians are as totalitarian as we allow them to be. If we continue to tolerate the Clinton epidemic of sin, I don’t believe we can, in good conscience, ask Jesus to endure another crucifixion to get us off the hook.

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Let's get poor Smedley back on course. When faced with the reality that Jeffords did NOT "always" vote with the Dems, he shrugs

No -- Jeffords has a very left-tilted voting record.

You missed the boat. The accusation was that Jeffords "ALWAYS" voted with the Democrats. That of course, is a lie. You of course didn't address the point but went knee-jerk into spin mode.

He even voted for "Hillary care",

Good for him.

partial-birth abortion

No such thing. You don't birth an "abortion" - thats a contradiction in terms.

and a number of other issues that are properly described as "radical left".

The whacko GOP right thinks everything they don't do is radical left. Your point?

Jeffords is no "man of conscience". He ran as a Republican in the last election prepared to bolt the party.

You of course have zero proof of this lame accusation, not knowing exactly what was in Jeffords' head or what his intent was at the time he was elected. Rightwingers don't need facts or proof of anything. They have fairy tales, rumors and name calling instead.

As to any "lockstep, groupthink fascists" attitude, it appears that over 1,500 politicians bailed the Democrat party in the last eight years to escape the narrow-minded and radical left.

Using your logic, I would just say they bolted to become part of a growing majority party. Pretty selfish. Do I have proof of this? Why no, but when using your logic, who needs any?

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Just when Americans breathed relief that Arkansas could not produce anything downhill from Orval Faubus, they afflicted us with Bill and Hillary Clinton, who have brought our nation around a bend in the road that enables Americans to catch a glimpse of Armageddon. Via the reek of their corruption,..............

YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN

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Message: In our country, politics reached its nadir with Bill Clinton, the only sonofabitch in America you can call a liar, a traitor, or a pervert (or for that matter a sonofabitch, as I do here) without getting into a fistfight, because Clinton's also a coward. In a time of danger, or even risk, a sluice gate opens in his viscera and releases a pond into his pants of sufficient volume to stock with trout.

Teehee!hahahahahahah!

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Message: As rhapsodized in media accounts, Bubba showed up at Omaha Beach (after the invasion) Florida (after the hurricane) the Midwest (after the floods) California (after the earthquakes and fires) Bosnia and Kosovo (after the genocide) Oklahoma City (after the bombing) the watery grave (after TWA 800 went down) Littleton (after the juvenile shooting), Richard Nixon’s funeral, Vince Foster’s funeral, Ron Brown’s funeral, and other deceased notables whose luster he still seeks from beyond the pale. As he says, unwearied by attending so many funerals, "Hey, it’s what I live for."

[Note: The deaths that stipple the Clinton Administration carry the heavy musk of foul play. The official White House line is, Vince Foster was not assassinated, nor did he commit suicide. He was just suddenly taken dead.]

Hehehe! Gurfrump! Hahahahaha!

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Name: concerned

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Message: As usual, right wingers try to change to subject. If the Republican hatchet men had the goods on Clinton, they would have indicted him. What was the plea bargain? What offense did Clinton plead guilty to? The Republican political hacks (special prosecutors) knew, without question, that they would lose if they tried Clinton in Washington, D. C. In other words, Clinton would have been cleared of all charges, and that would not be good for the Republicans who, in a partisan effort, impeached and tried Clinton. The partisan Republican hacks could not even get a majority of the Republican-controlled Senate to vote to sustain even one article of impeachment. I wish Clinton would have been tried in D.C. because he would have been found "not guily" on all counts.

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Message: Pardon me if I called the long haired lovely a jackass , I had a much higher opinion of you than to think your only rebuttal would be so inane.

In any debate that I may have I feel I have won when that is the only kind of rebuttal I recieve in answer to my comments.

Would you please accept my humble apology?

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Message: I wish Clinton would have been tried in D.C. because he would have been found "not guily" on all counts.

yeah! they would have freed OJ too! inner city democrat preffered political pawns would not have convicted him!

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Message: Elian is giving his Father a paid vacation like he will never have again. In his wildest dreams he could not have imagined an all expense paid vacation to the nation of the capitalistic pig. He may have a whole different view of America by the time he gets home. I am wondering what the next incident will be. Surely it will not be to far behind this one ,when they find they can get a free vacation from us easy touches.

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Message: Pardon me if I called the long haired lovely a jackass , I had a much higher opinion of you than to think your only rebuttal would be so inane.

In any debate that I may have I feel I have won when that is the only kind of rebuttal I recieve in answer to my comments.

Would you please accept my humble apology?

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Right wingers are weird. Clinton has not been indicted nor convicted of perjury or obstruction of justice.

Concerned you are lying again. Bill Clinton was found guilty (convicted) of contempt of court for lying. <>p

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”Voulez-vous couchez avec moi ce soir?”

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Message: I just love it when you little fellers get all purple around your neck from yelling. What I have trouble understanding is why you leftist challenged always pick such trash to defend.

According to you rapists , purjurers ,and traitors are all top of the line citizens , but of course they must be Democrats to qualify.

Now if you are a Republican the bar must be raised and a new set of rules apply.

Do you think Clinton may be looked on the same as Tim McViegh in some of those towns he bombed to get the heat off his chubby butt?

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Message: Pardon me if I called the long haired lovely a jackass , I had a much higher opinion of you than to think your only rebuttal would be so inane.

In any debate that I may have I feel I have won when that is the only kind of rebuttal I recieve in answer to my comments.

Would you please accept my humble apology?

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Who Should Own a Gun? Who should not own a gun?

You got that whole post from my little sentence? All I am saying is that this IDIOT thinks that by banning guns from churches he is going to stop people from going inside with a gun for the purpose of crime. This is LUNACY! You might as well hang a sign on the door stating that no resistance will be given in the event of a violent confrontation. LUNACY.

Where is the 'separation of church and state' crowd on this??

They pass this law and I will go buy the biggest shotgun (i don't own a gun) and bring it to church every time I go.

As for who should own a gun? Anyone that hasn't been deemed dangerous enough not to own one by their own action. IE: they rob a liquor store at gun point. They murdered, they raped...they get no gun rights until they can prove to the court that they can handle having rights again. There are certainly mental conditions that would warrant not allowing gun ownership too.

The real problem with gun crime is that we don't punish criminals. We give them a life of cable T.V. and 3 square meals. I say, NO TV, NO Magazines. Hard labor, hard mattresses. Make them not want to come back, make them think crime doesn't pay. Make them tell their community, that crime doesn't pay.

It really blows my mind that people could think registration or barring guns in church will solve anything. All new laws will do is make the black market on guns raise the price. If full registration was enacted, it might cost you 3 weeks worth of food stamps to get a .45., instead of two. It will do NOTHING to gun crime.

Are you saying that:

1. All must have guns. All must have the RIGHT to have guns unless they have given up the right. (see; criminals)
2. Adults over...must have guns
3. Only adults that have not been convicted of a felony must have guns
4. Only adults that have been trained in knowledge and action should have guns
5. Only adults who have registered should have guns
6. Only responsible adults who intuit the need for a gun should have guns.

What is with this MUST stuff?

And who must NOT have guns?
1.Felons (depends on situations)
2.Children
3.Mentally unstable (depends on situations)
4.People who have never fired a gun and never want to
5.People who are trigger-happy (depends on situations, trigger happy at a paper target?)

Murderers, rapists, repeat offenders of robbery....

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Message: oops, I meant to tell you that the red parts are what I agree with. black bold, I do not

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Message: I've pardoned you already. Look at the top of this forum You gotta believe me that I've pardoned you. It's OK. Don't worry. I still love you. All is forgiven.

Name: Lord of Flies

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Message: from Rack Jite, quoting Kitty Kelly " ...from Kitty Kelley's 1991 book Nancy Reagan: The Unauthorized Biography, actress Selene Walters accused Ronald Reagan of raping her. People magazine did a follow up interview with Walters, and all in all it had about the same credibility as the Juanita Broaddwick story. Except of course, there was no television network devoting most of its time to it, the Wall Street Journal did not devote its editorial page to it, it did not appear as headlines in all the major newspapers, it was not the topic of discussion on every talking head program, and Rush Limbaugh never even mentioned it. In fact I have not seen nor heard any mention of this anywhere by any media source other than on the net." As I said, Reagan, the Home Invasion Rapist! Much better evidence than Broaddrick!

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Message: Gun and rifle registration along with mandatory sentences for possession of an unregistered gun or rifle will put criminals away. The problem is that the police (who want registration, by the way) might take advantage of a registration law to target known criminals (gang members, etc.). If the police can search the premises or property of known criminals, the chances are they will find unregistered guns or rifles. So the police make something up so that they can get a warrant. Or they trump up some situation where they just "must" move in to protect someone. And, lo and behold, they find an unregistered gun or rifle. All the possible problems, notwithstanding, on balance, I think registration of guns and rifles with mandatory sentences for violators would cut crimes involving guns, maybe drastically. But the Hestons and his ilk are hysterical when it comes to registration of guns and rifles. I have not heard even one logically conceived scenario under the U.S. system of government and laws where gun and rifle registration would lead to confiscation. I have read a lot of hysterical crap by the right wing. But no logically conceived scenario.

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Ghost I have to hand it to ya, you're one of the most shameless hypocrites I've ever seen. At least you got the balls to be one and not try to cover it up. Thats a good mark
for you.

Hey, and you are one of the biggest idiots I've ever seen! At least you have the balls to show it every day. Can we cut the POOP?

You bitch about "liberals" wanting more government and less freedom. While you happily plug for a party that pushed the Defense of Marriage Act, which allows states to
ban marriage between homosexual partners. Yes, some dems voted for it...but it was the rightwing hyperchristian GOPers that dreamt it up and pushed it through.

I plug for reps? NO, I plug for conservatism. There is a differnce. OH! and lookie here, you prove my point in the next paragraph! I could care less if homosexuals join and butt fuck or eat box all night. Go to it! You really must learn not to mind read and put thoughts and words into my mouth. Kind of ironic however that marrage is a relgious institution. How about a better choice of words, like, 'civil union'. We must maintain political correctness here and religion has become politically incorrect.

You bitch about freedom, while you laud the party of John McCain, who concocted the Internet Filtering Act - for lack of better terms, internet censorship.

McCain is a LIBERAL. I bitch about freedom because LIBERALS want to limit it. Good case in point. THANKS.

You whine about more guhmint, as you cheer on the GOP - known anti-Roe V. Wade juggernaut. Guess its not a big government act to climb into a woman's womb and
rule her body functions.

I cheer CONSERVATISM, not the GOP. It just so happens in the GOP vs. DEM arena (this is a 2 party system in case you haven't noticed) the GOP is more close to my ideals. ROE vs. Wade is a FARCE! And it certainly isn't a doctors job to climb into a womens womb and rip the life out of her. So much for 'do no harm'. Conservatives can argue that babies in the womb are life and therefor constitutionally protected. You cannot argue that a woman has a constitutional right to 'choice'. The choice began when the women opened her legs. (Oh gees, I see the rape/incest argument coming)

You cry about how the "liberals" pit groups against each other, blind to the history that it has always been the LIBERALS (not always Dem mind you) that have
spearheaded movements for social reform, justice and civil rights. The Modern Liberals (post-'64 Civil Rights Libs) have been the vanguards of them. They have been the
champions of tolerance and respect to other ethnic, religious and racial groups. You have Rush Limbaugh.

You are a hoot! We are talking about today, not 40 years ago. Our founding fathers were LIBERAL. What is your point? Liberalism is relative. Today we have libs fighting for the life of trees and little frogs while fighting for the right of a mother to kill her unborn child. And you call me a hypocrite? Today we have liberals wanting to take the right to associate. ACLU vs. Boyscouts. Today we have liberals pushing for unequal treatment for crimes...Hatecrime legislation. Unequal hiring practices...Affirmative action. etc..etc..

I guess you never seen me post criticism of Rush Limbaugh. I don't know how you couldn't, you seem to know what I believe and stand for.

You bellyache that we liberals and leftists characterize you conservatives as in favor of killing children and the old. I wonder where we got that from? A liberal said it, that is where! Could it be the reality
that slashing slashing slashing social programs and the taxes that pay for them is actually going to harm these very groups? LIE! Nobody was 'slashing' any programs. They just wouldn't let liberals throw as much money at the problem as they wanted. Again, what political movement started and fought for the abolition of child labor? UMM, liberalism? Which we already established was relative. For social security? For Medicaid? GI Bill? Safe drinking water and food? For the right of women and Blacks to vote? For the right of working people to organize for a fair wage, work day and safe working condition? LIBERALS my friend, that's who.

Yes, I know, I know, Conservatives want to kill kill kill. Starve starve starve. You've been brainwashed.

Tell me, what political movement wants to fix social security before we must AGAIN raise the tax and reduce the benefit???? HMMMM????? Who wanted to fix medicaid while being attacked from the left for wanting to have it 'whither on the vine'???? HMMMM? We have safe water and food, we all have the right to vote. Are you saying I am against it? We have unions and certain unions have become corrupt political tools. Did someone credit NIXON for OSHA?? Hmm, blew you away didn't it! Was NIXON a liberal? guess so. Relative my friend, relative.

Todays liberals are socialist micromanagers that want to sniff up your butt to make sure you are not putting too much meat into the limited flush toilet.

No doubt you haven't read two lines of this before you're already formulating a comeback. Pretty hard not too! And on it goes. Back and forth. But that doesnt bother me anymore, because one
thing I've learned is that in the end, people believe what they want to believe. You will continue to be blind to the crime, lies, sleaze, hate, chicanery and goofs of your ideology because that's what you want to do. Well go at it. Just know that you have opposition. And it's growing.

Wow, you really know what I am blind to, huh? Boy, you got me pegged. ;)

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Message: You ever hear of background checks? Criminals aren't allowed to own guns. What make you think that a list of people who can own guns will help you with an already made list of people who cannot buy guns? I can agree (and so does the NRA) that we need instant background checks on all gun purchases. No 3 day bullshit. I also could agree that the local police should be given a heads up on sales by local people. Beyond that, no records should be legally kept. You are innocent until proven guilty in America.

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Message: I love it when libs throw the old day crap into the fray. they don't like to take into account that times change, yet they'll use it as an excuse for the movenment (whatever it may be). 200+ years ago, up until it was made illegal, slaves were legal property and the majority of the people saw it as fine. we know today that it isn't fine in any way, shape or form. We also (finally) reasoned that 'all men are created equal' and that philosophy didn't agree with only white men being counted in the public voice. we fixed these things and they were good fixes. conservatism does not want to return to the days of old. in fact, being a conservative, I am against the crap we call the drug war. a waste of money, but it's because are government is too big that we have it. see??? Chaoz brings up the libertarians as an argument against the GOP, well CHAOZ, the libertarians are CONSERVATIVE. I like them better than the GOP in general, but they have no power.

End rant.

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Concerned you are lying again. Bill Clinton was found guilty (convicted) of contempt of court for lying.

Concerned, forgive the blind rightwingers who scream "lie!" as often as they breathe. Some of them are so stupid they cannot read, nor know the difference between "contempt of court" , "perjury" and "obstruction of justice"...the last two of which, you are correct, Clinton was never convicted.

I had no idea there were so many brainless assholes, who could still blather this shit like a broken record and swear it was new.

Name: Lord of Flies

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Message: Was just perusing the previous post sequence (353) and noticed repeated references to SCOTUS obedience to the law. Any rightwingnuts bother to read Bush V. Gore? The majority cited four previous cases. The application of any one of those four would REQUIRE that all ballots be recounted, reguardless of the time required. Had Slappy Thomas, Antoin "Baldy" Scalia, William Rehnquist the Blind, O'Connor the Retireing or Kennedy the stupid bothered to read their own opinion, they wouldn't dare sign it, for fear of future trial for Treason.
Oh, that's right. They didn't sign it. Wonder why?

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Ghost says....

conservatism does not want to return to the days of old.

Are these guys too stupid for words, or what? They contradict themselves in the same sentence and don't even realize it, They're utterly blinded in their ideological orgasm.

CONSERVATISM DOES seek to hold things to an older order, BY DEFINITION. IT fights change, by definition. It is in support of the status quo, BY DEFINITION. Ghost, try exercizing that grey pudding between your ears once in a while, and fucking LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

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You are of course, correct in your assesment of the Treasonous Five. I say the sooner the better. TO TRIAL YOU CRIMINALS!

Name: chaoz

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Wow, you really know what I am blind to, huh? Boy, you got me pegged. ;)

Judging from your flacid response, I'd say so :)

Name: ghost

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Are these guys too stupid for words, or what? They contradict themselves in the same sentence and don't even realize it, They're utterly blinded in their ideological orgasm. CONSERVATISM DOES seek to hold things to an older order, BY DEFINITION. IT fights change, by definition. It is in support of the status quo, BY DEFINITION. Ghost, try exercizing that grey pudding between your ears once in a while, and fucking LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

Sorry, didn't mean to orgasm my load all over the forum.

Name: ghost

email: chaoz

Message: hey, well thought out response. you are truly an intilektual.

Name: Billy Budd

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Message: Don't worry about it Ghost. They're a crowd of cowards and communists.

Name: ghost

email: Billy Budd

Message: I'm not worried about a thing, brother, not worried about a thing......

Name: ghost

email: deep thoughts by elmer ghost

Message: If I am a conservative, and conservatives want the status quo, then I'd be a liberal by wanting to reduce taxes. I'd be a liberal if I wanted to RETURN to system more connected to constitutional values. I AM A LIBERAL!!!! I want rapid change back to the basics! I am a LIBERAL!!!

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I want rapid change back to the basics!

Still too stupid for words, aren't you. That would make you a REACTIONARY. Modern liberalism has a decided progressive lean to it, meaning change doesn't go backward. It advances. God forbid, it even evolves.

Sheeeeeeesh, some people's kids......

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Don't worry about it Ghost. They're a crowd of cowards and communists.

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Conservativism is not a desire to maintain the status quo. Conservativism is a burning desire to eliminate all shared and interdependent societal action with selfish, class-separating (with Conservatives ALWAYS to be in the ruling class), short term "solutions" to invented problems. A perfect example: A liberal does not decry too many abortions, for he knows that unwanted children grow up to be uncivilized adults, whereas a conservative DEMANDS that a pregnant woman carry to term, for two reasons. 1. An 18-year dependency is almost sure to keep her out of the competition for the conservatives job (as the Red V. Blue map shows, most conservatives live in the uneducated center of the nation, where there is neither high-tech nor higher learning, so the jobs held by conservatives tend to be brain dead efforts that an undereducated woman could do as well as he.), and 2. the conservative WANTS that unwanted bastard child to grow up as a social problem, how else can the conservative continue to increase funding for the prison and TLA industries, which are dominated by white southern males.
Liberalism presumes that any process that reduces the common wheal to such narrow definitions as "White makes right" (the motto of Tom DeLay, Bob Barr and Trent Lott's social club, the Council of Conservative Citizens), or "He that has the gold, makes the rules" are reprehensible and ultimately destined to fail. With white men now accounting for only 1 in 4 American Citizens, and only 25% of households being "traditional" 2 partner married types, the liberal seeks as a first course of action, to facilitate and improve the lives of the majority.
Just as in the Selection, Liberals want all people to count, conservatives want only rich people to count.
So I guess that makes you a bigotted, self-serving, chauvinistic conservative after all.

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Message: Pardon me if I called the long haired lovely a jackass , I had a much higher opinion of you than to think your only rebuttal would be so inane.

In any debate that I may have I feel I have won when that is the only kind of rebuttal I recieve in answer to my comments.

Would you please accept my humble apology?

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'Jane Roe' Is Now an Abortion Foe

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Message: Good morning , I am beginning to think it will never stop raining in these hills. It does make the garden look nice.

Whoever keeps repeating my posts must be anal retentive or jealous of my infatuation with our lovely Editor.

Either way is fine with me , the only thing that upsets me is to be deleted.

Okay , I am going to be away for the weekend and I want you mean spirited Democrats to keep those insults to yourselves. Don't make me come back and find you have been bad. If you do I my flog you all with dirty words.

Have a real nice weekend unless of course you have other plans. Sincerely Mountain Slimm

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'Jane Roe' Takes Roe. V. Wade Back To Court
By Christine Hall - CNSNews.com Staff Writer - June 01, 2001

(CNSNews.com) - Nearly three decades after the Supreme Court legalized abortion nationwide, the original plaintiff in the landmark Roe v. Wade case is urging a federal court to reconsider the 1973 Supreme Court decision.

"My case was wrongfully decided and has caused great harm to the women and children of our nation," said Norma McCorvey, better known as "Jane Roe." McCorvey had a change of heart about abortion in the years since the Supreme Court ruling.

McCorvey and Sandra Cano (of the Roe companion case Doe v. Bolton) filed a friend-of-the-court brief in a class action lawsuit on Thursday in the federal 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals.

McCorvey and Cano want their respective cases overturned so that the class action suit against abortion providers can proceed.

The two are represented by the Texas Justice Foundation, a San Antonio-based public interest law firm. Their brief states that their cases were improperly applied by the lower court in dismissing the class action suit, which is now on appeal to the 3rd Circuit.

According to Allan Parker, CEO and founder of the Texas Justice Foundation, the class action lawsuit alleges in part that neither the state of New Jersey nor abortion providers adequately protect the health of women and the life of the unborn child.

In the case of one plaintiff, her parents allegedly forced her to have an abortion. On top of that, the abortion clinic allegedly never asked for her consent.

The other two plaintiffs allege that abortion clinics gave them false or misleading information, not telling them that the abortion would "take a human life."

"There are other states that ... have allowed you to sue for the loss of life in the womb," said Parker. "We call that a denial of equal protection. Some women in some states whose children are injured while in the womb can recover legally for damages."

"In this case, in New Jersey, they're not allowed to recover for injuries to children in the womb," she said.

Abortion law expert Michael Scaperlanda of the University of Oklahoma College of Law says that whatever the legal merits of the case, the court of public opinion may be more important for the time being.

"You're fighting this battle on two fronts: the courts and public opinion," said Scaperlanda.

"If they can get the courts and or the public, and preferably both, to see that abortion really is in many instances coerced - either legally or just persuaded - then maybe that will turn the tide of public opinion more and more against abortion," he said.

The court probably will not give weight to the fact that Norma McCorvey and Sandra Cano have filed amicus briefs, said Scaperlanda. "But it is a value added, and that is whether the court pays attention to it and the extent that the media pays attention."

"Also," Scaperlanda added, "if they can successfully sue doctors, it raises the cost and makes it more likely doctors won't want to pursue it."

Abortion foes should pursue a strategy that is very similar to the strategy employed by civil rights activists that toppled segregated schools and led to Brown v. Board of Education, Scaperlanda advised.

"You do it incrementally at first. You go after the things that all of society is going to agree are the most egregious things."

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A simple test that could save your (political) health

Linda Bowles - May 30, 2001
http://www.jewishworldreview.com -- WHEN President George Bush announced a few months after his inauguration that the United States would not implement the Kyoto Protocol on global warning, his political opponents in the Democrat Party publicly deplored what he had done and privately celebrated it.

Bush did the right thing. He is not willing to put his country at risk and stifle its economy based on suspect data and flawed models purporting to forecast what the climate will be like 20 years from now.

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Message: LA DONNA + BELLA DEL MONDO: RITA DALLA CHIESA CIAO CIAO

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Message: Contact: Edgar J. Steele, attorney for JoAnn McGuckin and her children

Sandpoint, Idaho. A modern American tragedy in the making. That's what the Sagle, Idaho, McGuckin family "standoff" represents.

The McGuckin family home and the 40 acres upon which it stands were recently sold for a pittance by the county government for past-due taxes.It brought only $50,000, while the property is in prime territory, with fully half of Beaver Lake on its eastern edge.

Dad died recently, after a long and valiant struggle with multiple sclerosis, not of "malnutrition and dehydration," which has widely and falsely been reported as the cause of death. Just a couple days after this tight-knit family buried Dad, county government lured her out with a promise of money and free groceries, then arrested her, leaving them only to have to deal with the kids. That was a mistake, of course, but not their first.

Rather than allow this tightly-knit family a decent period to grieve the loss of their beloved husband and father, the county government instead is doing its best to make the family's worst nightmare come true.

For years, Mrs. McGuckin has been fearful of the government taking her property and her kids. Today, that fear is realized, with the issuance of an order through Child Protection Services, making the six children its wards. Of course, the Sheriff can't get near the house to make good on that order.

She has been jailed on a charge of felony child endangerment, allegedly for not providing a proper home for the children, including food, hygiene and education.

Well, admittedly the running water is off temporarily, because the well pump broke and, what with Dad's severe condition as his days drew to a close, they just didn't have the time or the money to deal with it properly. So, they drew water from the crystal-clear lake on their property for washing and to flush their toilets with.And, yes, the laundry did pile up, but what family doesn 't have a few domestic backlogs when it loses its patriarch?

And the children are home schooled, fact which makes them politically incorrect, even by North Idaho standards.

But, they do have food, contrary to reports, and the power was hooked up and paid for when Mrs. McGuckin was arrested.

Are they armed?Who knows?Nobody has seen any weapons and no gunshots have been fired. Sheriff Jarvis has shown great prudence in executing the orders he is lawfully obligated to follow.He did not cut off any essential services, as has been reported.He has vowed to keep his men well away from the house and allow us time to effect a peaceful resolution to this crisis.

That resolution must begin with the release from custody of JoAnn McGuckin and the rescission of the order giving custody of her children over to the government.Friends and family stand ready to accept responsibility for the children while Mrs. McGuckin puts her life in order and proves the outrageous charges against herself to be false. However, the demand by the county Prosecuting Attorney that the bail, initially set for $10,000, be elevated to $100,000, effectively guarantees that Mrs. McGuckin will not be given that opportunity.

We are now asking the court for a reduction in the bond requirement and will then seek a modification to the CPS order, whereby the children are given over, as a single unit, to the custody of a trusted family friend.Then, we will take on these outlandish charges and give them the ignominious end that they deserve. We are also investigating this highly-questionable attempted seizure of the McGuckin family home.

Donations to the family can be made to: McGuckin Family Trust, PO Box 1255, Sagle, ID 83860.

The McGuckin property sits on Beaver Lake which adds to its value. Waterfront property has become the status symbol for many people with money. It is most likely one hidden reason the county did not try to hard to help this woman and her family. County government will make a killing on it when it is resold. Meanwhile they have managed to make the McGukins look like child beating white trash. The county has set her bond at $ 100,000 --raised from $10,000 which makes you ask, is she guilty of murder? When their mom was arrested the 6 kids decided to fight back and have barricaded themselves in their home.

this is how the government using 'child protective services' can and will declare you insane so that you can never legally own a firearm to defend yourself against them. i'm sending a few bucks-hope you do to. [EDITOR] Thanks for this letter Magpie. This tragedy is very sad, but please don't blame us liberals for this. We do not agree with this tragedy. You hurt their case blaming liberals. I cannot imagine liberals would favor this kind of thing. No liberal I know for sure.

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Message: i posted the letter-but i ain't the one posting thse fucking NRA stickers. to whomever it is-WE GET YOUR FUCKING POINT! now give it a rest.

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Message: I wonder how good Hillary is in bed??

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Message: Registration of guns and rifles with mandatory sentences for violators would be of benefit to honest gun and rifle owners and would result in fewer crimes involving guns and rifles, perhaps a lot fewer. Registration would not result in confiscation by the ATF or any other organization, hysterical right wingers comments to the contrary, notwithstanding. Right wingers have yet to present a logical scenario for confiscation of guns and rifles which is based on the U.S. culture and government. Under the present U.S. culture and government, it would be virtually impossible to alter the second amendment or to interpret it in such a way that confiscation would be the result.

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Message: Right, under the present government. But, there are still the Clintons, who would kill you without a second thought, just as they did people in AR. Then there is the future..... when will another Hitler, Stalin, or other lunatic apear? The problem is that we cannot guarantee that someone will not come along and try to change things. Just look at the ridiculous legislation proposed in the Congress. And the UN. Oh, they will come up with a way to disarm you...... and then you will be taken like the sheep were in Germany, Cuba, Russia, Cambodia, etc. This has been going on for a very long time.....

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Message: Thanks for this letter Magpie. This tragedy is very sad, but please don't blame us liberals for this. We do not agree with this tragedy. You hurt their case blaming liberals. I cannot imagine liberals would favor this kind of thing. No liberal I know for sure.

did i use the word liberal? you just don't get it do you? it doesn't matter what any individual thinks when the faceless beauracrats get involved. the liberals love to create these do gooder-self serving departments which get out of control. no one mentioned liberals so stop with the persecution complex.

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Death threats received by Jeffords!!

The Repugs are vicious prats and it's gotten steadily worse over the years. Back when Clinton won in 1992 they were just nauseatingly nasty. Now the GOP is the party of homicidal lunatics. For all their screaming about how liberals want to shred the Constitution and American flag, they are the ones running around firing guns, throwing bombs, and trying to bully or browbeat anyone who doesn't think their way.

For Pete's sake, this is exemplified by the fact they incessantly try to portray America's biggest threat as being "the PC police keeping nativity scenes out of the public eye during Christmas," "preferential treatment of minorities," or "uppity labor unions demanding everything." No, sorry, folks, but liberals preaching tolerance and respect for diversity is NOT our biggest threat, poke as much fun as you will at it. Our biggest threat is from those among us who will stir up the ignorant, gullible and resentful masses against one another so that the puppetmasters may sit back and profit in the aftermath. The Repugs feed on hate - hate of the "gun grabbers," hate of the "aggressive women," with the nerve to demand equal rights, hate of the "deviant gays forcing their lifestyle on you," and hate of the "whacko environmentalists who hate capitalism since they don't have jobs." That's how the highly-paid shills whip up the sheep, and death threats against Jim Jeffords are but one symptom of that mentality.

The beginning of the end of any dignity or credibility they once had started a long time ago for the Repugs. Clinton caused them to whip themselves into such a disgustingly hypocritical frenzy that, like a drunken argument between two people, they laid their entire public personality on the table. The day will come when they are rightfully seen as the party of destructive extremists and they will wither away out of the public eye. Let's hope that is the case - and that they aren't given the opportunity to drag others down with them when they go.

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For the editor: A great interview with Senator Hillary Clinton in the Poughkeepsie Journal of 5/30/01.