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Tipper Gore, left, and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton chat after they both addressed the Democratic National Committee in New York, Monday April 24, 2000. The $2-million gala marked the first time this year that President Clinton, Vice President Gore,Hillary Rodham Clinton and and Tipper Gore campaigned together. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)

First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton looks as President Clinton reaches to place his hand on her knee as they listen to Vice President Al Gore speak at the Democratic National Committee $1,000 a piece galla in New York, Monday April 24, 2000. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)
- Apr 24 10:20 PM ET

We warned you. The cover-up of Bill Clinton’s Chinagate treachery has come back to haunt us. For over a year, the All-Monica-All-the-Time media smothered Chinagate with a 24-hour-a-day blanket of diversionary, nauseatingly detailed coverage of the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual high jinks. Congress, in its usual, bipartisan, invertebrate style, also dropped the Chinagate bribery and treason charges to chase the Oval Office sex scandal. But we warned you: Treason and its terrible effects do not simply disappear when ignored; damage to national security does not self-heal through benign neglect.

As we noted in our special February 15th "Chinagate" issue, the already overwhelming evidence of President Clinton’s massive sellout to Beijing is but the tip of the iceberg. The Clinton Administration has so eviscerated security procedures and opened the floodgates so wide for Red Chinese access to American defense and technology institutions that we are just beginning to learn the true extent of the harm that has been done. More shocking glimpses into the depths of the Chinagate betrayal were provided during the first week of March, as Secretary of State Madeleine Albright dined in Beijing with Red Chinese Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan and airily opined that it is "not a good idea to link human rights and trade."

Message: Elian is where he should be, with his father, not with his crazy thug relatives in Miami. Fathers' rights trump relatives' rights. Republicans are hypocrites if they think in the reverse and then attempt to have us believe that they are for "family values." Any Republican who campaigns on family values in the future will be laughed at. The only values Republicans have are guns, cigarettes, enforced motherhood, helping the rich get richer, getting Clinton and other powerful Democrats by any means and at any cost.

Message: THE CHILD SUPPORT SYSTEM OF NEW YORK IS FAILING THE CHILDREN. It's been two years and I haven't received child support. I don't receive any help in supporting my daughter even though I've been through the court system several times. Why doesn't the single parent receive support because, the system makes it easy to not pay. Is it easy to not pay your taxes, parking tickets or, traffic violations? No! The government makes sure they get their money by automating their system for collections of their money. Why can't the system be automated for the struggling single parent with her children? With the way the system currently works it could be NEVER or years before single parent gets a payment. In the mean time she has to pay lawyer fees and take care of the child by herself. THE SINGLE PARENTS of NEW YORK NEED HELP NOW!!!!

Heal thyself Republicans. Elian is where he should be, with his father, not with his crazy thug relatives in Miami. Fathers' rights trump relatives' rights. Republicans are hypocrites if they think in the reverse and then attempt to have us believe that they are for "family values."

Liberal "family values" come from the business end of a machinegun or tear gassing children or incinerating children in their own homes.

Democrats/Liberals, you seem to be beyond the hope of healing. Get used to jack-booted, helmeted, machinegun wielding Federal Storm Troopers kicking down doors, tear gassing children, and burning down domiciles. So what if the Federal Storm Troopers shot the dog of a suspect or shot the wife of a suspect (in the back while holding a baby no less) or incinerate 60 people in the process of getting one man accused of fairly minor (and never proven) gun violations.

All power lies with the government and freedom is now a dusty curio on the shelf. The pigs are sleeping in the beds…

"(Zumbado) said he was knocked to the ground by agents and kicked in the stomach," reported USA Today. "We got maced, we got kicked, we got roughed up," the NBC cameraman told The New York Times. The assault left Zumbado incapacitated for the duration of the three minute raid.

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Message: Am I correctthatthe building at the corner ofLayfayette and camp wherein the patsy (and only member ofthe NO bbranch of the Fair Play fo rCuba Committee) and Guy Banniste rshared space has been razed? IYO, was Jim Garrison on to something re Clay Shaw?

That space where that building was is now occupied by the Judge John Minor Wisdom Federal Courthouse. I think that Oswald and Bannister were quite aware of each other's activities ; though not exactly what you might call partners, they were involved in different aspects of the same project. Garrison had some good leads as to what was involved in this project. I think there was a very plausible chance of Shaw actually being involved as well, but possibly only at a consultative /oversight level. Garrison's resources were directed overwhemingly towards Shaw w/little evidence. He ignored Carlos Marcello's role despite a considerable amount of evidence of CM peripheral involvement and CM's vulnerability as a mobster which could have been leveraged for info re Ruby and others. Shaw was CIA connected & streetsmart - maybe too much for Garrison who was as much shylock politician as crusader. It remains a fascinating story to me having followed it since age 14. No single model has yet been advanced to adsequatly explain just what happened. The Ollie Stone version is fun but leaves out many of the most important elements of the case. This was a different city in the early sixties , but I guess it was a different country too maybe.

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Message: As a native New Yorker, and as a woman who has had to work for everything she has, waitress jobs, department store jobs, all while holding down a full time sales position, I have to encourage everyone who sees this message to not vote for a woman who sends a message, however subdued, that she is 'just like you and me'. She is not. She never has been. We've worked and made choices to feed our families, to keep rooves over our heads and those we love, she has done none of these things. She has consistently lied to to Americans, and anyone who will listen. She has spoken out of both sides of her mouth. Her papers from when she was in Law School on education and child welfare are vastly different from the views she and her staff present today. Big government will not save our lives, and make our existence better. Only capitalism and freedom can do that. Hillary cannot. How can she know what is best for New Yorkers when she's never lived here. How can she make choices for you when she's done nothing but lied and covered up her entire public life. Whitewater, Travelgate, need I say more? Bill's faults are not hers. That's clear. But they always presented themselves as 'two for one'. These are two I don't want or need. The Clinton's are for the Clinton's. They won't fade away or go quietly from public life. They are simply trying to keep themselves in the spotlight. That's how they measure their worth. They would wilt and die without it. Don't believe for a second that this is a stepping stone to the Presidency for Hillary in 2004. She's said that she would not cut short her Senate career if she were elected. Remember that Bill said that when he was elected to the Governor's job in Arkansas. He left early to run for President. So much for sticking to your word. Selling space in the White House to those that can afford it. You and I certainly can't. They could and did. They take advantage of the American People as a whole and now New Yorkers in specific. Remember, she's not like you and I. She never has been. She never will be.

Message:
Bill Clinton is my shepherd, I shall not want.
He leadeth me by still factories and abandoned farms.
He restoreth my doubt about the democratic party
He annointeth my wages with taxes and inflation
So my expenses runneth over my income.
Surely poverty and hard living shall follow the democratic party
and I shall work on a rented farm and live in a rented house forever.

Message:
Five thousand years ago Moses said,
"Pack up your camel, pick up your shovel, move your ass, and I will lead you to the promised land."

Five thousand years later Franklin D. Roosevelt said,
"Lay down your shovel, sit on your ass, light up a Camel, this is the promised land."

This year Bill Clinton will take your shovel, sell your camel, kick your ass and tell you he gave away the promised land.

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I'm glad I'm an American.
I'm glad I'm free.
I wish I was a dog
and Clinton was a tree.

Message: I first became interested in the JFK assassination when I read Best Evidence by David Lifton. He offered a fascinating theory based on the fact that the JFK's brain was "lost" early on (incredible fact!!), and examination of the brain would be the best evidence of the location from which the fatal head shot originated. Lifton jumps on a line from the FBI agent's eyewitness report from the "JFK autopsy" which seems to indicate that there was a surgical incision in the scalp before the autopsy began.

High Treason, Harrison Livingstone, Robert Groden
Crossfire, Jim Marrs (excellent)
On the Trail of the Assassins, Jim Garrison
The JFK Assassination, The Facts and Theories, Carl Oglesby
Plausible Denial, Mark Lane
JFK Conspiracy of Denial, Charles Crenshaw, M.D.
High Treason II, Harrison Livingstone
Conspiracy, Anthony Summers
The Killing of a President, Robert J. Groden
Case Closed, Gerald Posner (I though tthis a weak refutation of conspiracy theories.)
Oswald Talked, Ray & Mary LaFontaine, and

Spy Saga: Lee Harvey Oswald & U.S. Intelligence, Phillip H. Melanson, which gave a very interesting perspective into A. Hidell's interest in espionage, secret agent stuff, etc. from his youth and the numerous times he was operating in proximity to CIA, etc., agents. IMO, this book makes a stong strong case for Lee having spent his last years as a low level undercover intelligence operative who was expendable.

I recently picked up an old copy of Six Seconds in Dallas by Josiah Thompson, one of the early books on the subject.

Message: Dearest Mrs. Clinton, it is pathetic but I wish you well in Chipaugh- or however it's spelled- I am an avid George Washington fan and desire that his super-human deeds get you elected in the state of New York- It's a shame that the Hell's Angels gave Rudy bum cancer, but what is there really to ask for from a republican except BUM? Mrs. Clinton, you are welcome anytime in my little town, I'd proposition you, Truly I would- Mr. Clinton reaching for your knee writhes me in hatred- Truly I love the lady- come into my life I beg, and cause a super-miracle- Mrs. Clinton, from a fan turned groupie, turned Gigalo, a real authentic "Dave" I beg , I love Mrs. Clinton, Amen--- Luv, David H. Levesque (one of your screaming fans)

Message: That is a good list. Crossfire does seem to be good overview w/Posner's book the least good. I was glad to see you referencing all these works in lieu of putting forward a snap theory. As interminable as the broad research can be, there remain questions that challenge all theories from the simplest to the most comprehensive.

The 'Fair Play' web site is useful as is a new one I've found operated by the old Yippie theoretsomething, A J WEberman. This guy A Jhas been doing his homework for decades but is stuck into a WAtergate-related theory that he either just ignores or gives reidulously short shrift to a lot of key points. Luckily , he does include a lot of the source material he discounts and wombles in his squasi-turgid 'analyses'. This guy has really done his NOLA homework though & its fascinating to read a lot of his details.

THe old Rosemary James/Jack Wardlaw book, not long but written by two top reporters of the era, is still useful too. James was very vocal in defending Shaw during Stone's occupation of the city a few years ago. Aside from the strange story of eyewitnesses in Clinton, La & the word of Vernon Bundy on the nod at the seawall,there is not much to connect Shaw. He was however in a ggod position to facilitate as Garrison suggests & he was smart enough to cover his tracks probably. THe Bannister/Ferrie business is Garrison's big coup, I think.In running down Shaw, he used up resources onan asset who was well covered, expendable by his own choice, & capable of directing Garrison's own resources right back at him.

As for the'patsy', i'd agree that he remained a peripheral military intelliegence asset for the last 5 years of his life. He may well have been a leftist atheart but he was more bound by his military intelligence discipline.

Message: Can you provide the URLs for (1) 'Fair Play' web site, and (2) the one operated by the old Yippie theoretsomething, A J WEberman?

"The Men Who Killed Kennedy" series that A&E (I think) televises every now and then has a segment that interested me. As I recall, a writer named Rivell was tracking down a lead that the actual shooters were hit men from the French crime underworld. In this segment, several interviews with French mobsters were included that incdicated that the fatal shot was fired by a guy names Lucien Sartee, who was killed in Mexico City in 1972. This serie swas produced at least 10 years ago but I have never been able to verify that Rivell published anything on it. Is this familiar to you?

Message: Can you provide the URLs for (1) 'Fair Play' web site, and (2) the one operated by the old Yippie theoretsomething, A J WEberman?

Message: So what rights are gay/lesbian/trans.../etc. being denied? Looks to me like the fags and dykes want the government to force people to patronize them. (waiting for hysterical, knee-jerk response)

Message: 'Tis the first time I checked into this chumpy little two bit third rate forum today. I find it the same - boring as ever. But I wanted to convey this nugget of wisdom: the person who is deleting posts is making an ass of herself. You see, she is under the delusion that deleting is a deterrence to unwanted behavior. THIS "logic" coming from the same woman who thinks legalizing pot is the answer. Kind of hypocrital, doncha think?

Anyway, I've said my piece for the day, so I'll be going now. I still say Strait Jacket is a one helluva movie! I'll watch it again tonight, in fact. I have a big projector screen in the den and a cool sound system. I'll crank Joan up WAY LOUD and scare the neighbors! :)

Message: "We (of the Hillarey Clinton Forum) find your comments...to be highly entertaining and your posts to be witty and sassy! We strongly urge you to rescind your decision to leave."

Message: Elian is going to go back to Cuba whether anyone likes it or not. You all can fuss and fight and make all kinds of noise, but politically, if you look at the long run, there is absolutely no alternative. No it isn't fair. Who said life was fair? But you know what, Elian will make of it what he decides to as he reaches adulthood and you all can feel as sorry as you want to for the little tike, but the fact remains that: THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL US ONLY MAKES US STRONGER? He's gonna be a tough man. Deal with it. He will.

Message: "We (of the Hillarey Clinton Forum) find your comments...to be highly entertaining and your posts to be witty and sassy! We strongly urge you to rescind your decision to leave." i disagree strongly with this statement. I urge Queen Bea, for her own mental health to run away from the Hillary Clinton Forum and never, never return until the end of time has passed us all by!

I second that. In fact, Queen Bea should stay away long past the end of time. Long, long, long past the end of time. Until the electrons in all the atoms in the universe slow to a dead halt and all matter collapses upon itself into an infinitely dense point.

Message: Until the electrons in all the atoms in the universe slow to a dead halt and all matter collapses upon itself into an infinitely dense point.

Then you don't subscribe to the theory pof an ever expanding universe, i.e., you feel that there is enough matter in the universe that gravity will eventually halt the expansion and then matterwill then again collapse into an infinitesimally small point - leading to another "Big Bang"? Is that it? Well, I am in agreement with the statement "We (of the Hillary Clinton Forum) find your comments...to be highly entertaining and your posts to be witty and sassy! We strongly urge you to rescind your decision to leave."

Message: If Elian Gonzalez looks so content in those photographs provided by Greg Craig, then why does he need tranquilizers?

That's the question raised this weekend after Dr. Caridad Ponce de Leon, a Cuban pediatrician, was stopped at Washington's Dulles International Airport. U.S. Customs officials confiscated several medications from the doctor, including two drugs, Miltown and phenobarbital--both of which could be used to make Elian appear happier in those saccharine family photos Craig is sharing with the press.

The Miami Herald reported the seizure this weekend--but none of the national media have picked up on the story. It's pretty easy to see why. The media are in lock-step behind the Clinton administration on this one, as they have been for other stories.

It's all about control, folks. Government is force, government is control. Fidel Castro wields total control over the lives of his citizens. Now that the boy is safely back in his clutches, he's going to have to do a little "re-education" so Elian will withdraw his application for asylum in the United States, where people are (marginally) more free than in Cuba.

Here in America we have far more sophisticated drugs for exerting control over our youth. One of them is called Ritalin.

Message: Until the electrons in all the atoms in the universe slow to a dead halt and all matter collapses upon itself into an infinitely dense point.

Actually, I'm counting on the universe NEVER collapsing again. I shutter to think that Bea would ever come back. No universal collapse, no Queen Bea.

In all likelihood, however, Bea has not and will not leave. In fact YOU are probably QB.

Message: Until the electrons in all the atoms in the universe slow to a dead halt and all matter collapses upon itself into an infinitely dense point.

Well, which is it - orare there MORE THAN ONE of you monikerless jerks? In fact YOU are probably QB.

I assure you that I am NOT QB. However, I find he rto be a brilliant "sassmouth" and humorous writer who certainly knows how to put words to use. She makes me think. I visit this board twice a day just to see what gems she has posted.

Message: I assure you that I am NOT QB. However, I find he rto be a brilliant "sassmouth" and humorous writer who certainly knows how to put words to use. She makes me think. I visit this board twice a day just to see what gems she has posted.

Do you understand what may have happened last week in Miami? I mean, do you clearly understand what Bill Clinton may have done?

Laurence Tribe and Alan Dershowitz are both liberals. They’re both law professors at Harvard, widely considered to be the number one law school in this country. Tribe is often mentioned as a future Supreme Court nominee. When it comes to the law, and to the rule of law, they know their stuff.

Both of these law professors have suggested that Clinton’s actions last Saturday morning were flat out ILLEGAL --- a violation of the Constitutional rights of the Miami Gonzalez family and of Elian.

Do you understand the meaning of that word … illegal? It means against the law. We’re talking about Clinton completely ignoring the law --- again --- for his own political gain.

Want to read more about Dershowitz and Tribe? Here are the links: http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/4/25/161159 Lawrence Tribe’s column on the Clinton raid.

If this issue can’t hold your attention --- if you’re walking around moaning "Oh no, not again. Let’s talk about something else." You’re either completely lost or it just hasn’t dawned on you what has actually happened here.

It may well be that Bill Clinton used federal swat officers to conduct a violent armed raid on the home of innocent civilians who had not been accused of violating any law …… all in the pursuit of a political agenda.

Is that your vision of America? Do you see America as a country where elected leaders used armed force to

Why stop at two? Just curious - why is your "enter your name" area devoid of a moniker?

Message: Is that your vision of America? Do you see America as a country where elected leaders used armed force to pursue their political agendas? Our founding fathers certainly didn’t.

Wake up. PLEASE. This isn’t about Elian. This isn’t about whether or not Elian should go back to Cuba with his father. Set that aside for now. This has evolved into a much more important issue --- whether or not we have a president who feels that he is absolutely and completely above the law.

This is bigger than Whitewater. It’s more important than the FBI file scandal. Billy Dale and the White House Travel Office staff? Small potatoes compared to this. Monica Lewinsky? Paula Jones? Just a side show.

One – Clinton had full legal authority pursuant to a legitimate court order to conduct that raid, and did so for all the right reasons; or,

Two – Clinton had no legal authority to use armed force against American civilians, but did so anyway in pursuit of a political agenda.

Don’t we deserve the truth? Do you want to know which one of the above scenarios is closer to the truth? Don’t the memories of hundreds of thousands of Americans who gave their lives to build and protect this country cry out for an answer?

Evidently the Democrats don’t think so, and they know that the truth in this matter can be too dangerous …. particularly to Democratic political futures.

These Democratic apologists have been covering up for Clinton for years, they can hardly stop now. It’s a tough spot … don’t you just feel sorry for them? They know that there’s a huge problem here. That image of the swat team officer with that MP-5 pointed at Elian is intense. It’s frightening. Democrats know how frightening it is --- and they know that if the American people com

Message: These Democratic apologists have been covering up for Clinton for years, they can hardly stop now. It’s a tough spot … don’t you just feel sorry for them? They know that there’s a huge problem here. That image of the swat team officer with that MP-5 pointed at Elian is intense. It’s frightening. Democrats know how frightening it is --- and they know that if the American people come to understand that that federal swat team officer was pointing that gun at a six year-old child in the pursuit of a political agenda … the Democratic party is toast for this election. Any hopes of winning the presidency, let alone re-taking the House or the Senate, are gone.

Enter Democratic Senator Chris Dodd. He says "… "I would strongly recommend that this idea of a hearing be nixed. That we get back to the real business of the country ……." Yeah, it’s that old "let’s move on" argument. Well, Senator Dodd, I can think of no more pressing business for this country right now than to come to some determination of the legality of Clintons actions over Easter weekend.

Listen, also, to presidential mouthpiece Joe Lockhart! He’s saying that the American people don’t care about this … that they care about Medicare, Social Security, education, the environment and other such causes.

Any attempt by Republican committee chairmen to hold hearings will be painted by the frightened Democrats as extreme partisanship --- just another salvo in the continuing maniacal attempt to get Clinton.

The Democrats are counting on the American people being weary and fed up with all of the talk of and investigations into various Clinton scandals. They will be saying that the Americans don’t want to get into another "political" battle.

Message: Hey, this isn’t a political battle. It’s a legal one. It’s a battle for the preservation of the very foundation of this Republic … the rule of law.

Does a president have the legal right to use force – to use guns to further his political agenda and to create some sort of a positive legacy? Come on, folks. Speak up! Does the president have that power? Do you want him to have that power? Is that the way you think this country should work?

Some people think it would be a mistake to investigate Clinton’s actions in this matter.

Some people think it would be a mistake to let Clinton’s actions slide .. to just "move on."

OK fine, so we might make a mistake here. But which mistake would you rather see this country make? The mistake of investigating a possible hideous violation of the law on the part of the president, or the mistake of ignoring such a violation and allowing the lawlessness to continue? Can we afford NOT to have full hearings and a complete investigation on Clinton’s actions?

GOOD GAWD, CAN’T YOU JUST DROP IT? No. Sorry. I can’t. The left would love it. Those who value security over freedom would love it. I can’t just drop it. It’s just too damned important.

Since the day he took control at the White House Clinton has exhibited an absolute disdain for the law. Hillary’s health task force met in secret --- a violation of the law --- and it just went on from there.

The law is all we have to restrain the power of those in control of the machinery of government. That machinery is the machinery of force, of war. Can’t you folks just sit back and consider --- just for a moment --- what happens when our politicians are unrestrained by law in their use of force?

We’re talking about Clinton completely ignoring the law --- again --- for his own political gain.

Do YOU understand that Clinton is ABOVE the law? Do you understand that Clinton will NEVER, ever, ever be held legally accountable for any of his behavior in this lifetime simply because of WHO he is? Wake up and smell the coffee friends!

"No matter how mean he is to me, I just love this guy because together, we give hope to gray-haired chunky baby boomers everywhere."

--PRESIDENT CLINTON on JAY LENO, host of the White House Correspondents' Association dinner.

By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES     U.S. Customs Service agents seized tranquilizers from a Cuban doctor who was among 10 persons given permission last week by the State Department to visit Elian Gonzalez at the Wye Plantation in Maryland, where he has been kept in seclusion with his father.
     The tranquilizers diazepam and phenobarbital were among several medicines taken from Dr. Caridad Ponce de Leon by customs agents on her arrival Thursday at Washington Dulles International Airport en route to visit Elian at the secluded Maryland resort.
     Customs Service spokesman Dean Boyd yesterday declined comment on the incident, saying the agency was precluded from discussing the circumstances of any border entry.
     But federal law enforcement authorities told The Washington Times the tranquilizers and other prescription drugs were taken from the doctor at the airport because she did not have a license to practice medicine in the United States.
     They said the drugs will be returned to her when she leaves the country.
     The other medicines included amikacin sulfate, which, according to the Physicians' Desk Reference, often is prescribed for the treatment of bacterial and staph infections; aminophyllin, an anti-asthmatic bronchodilator used in the treatment of asthma, bronchitis and emphysema; and cefazoline, often used for the treatment of respiratory, urinary, skin and other infections.
     Diazepam is an anti-anxiety drug and tranquilizer often used for the treatment of anxiety and nervous tension. It is also known by the brand name of Valium. Phenobarbital is a sedative, often used to control seizures but also is prescribed for the relief of anxiety and nervous tension.
     The federal law enforcement authorities said the medicines were part of the doctor's regular medical kit, and they had no information on what she intended to do with the drugs.
     They said there was no specific evidence to suggest she was going to give them to Elian.
     Dr. Tania Heller, medical director of Night Time Pediatrics of Rockville, Md., an affiliate of the Suburban Hospital Healthcare System, said last night it would be "a little unusual" for a 6-year-old to be given phenobarbital or diazepam, although not out of the question.
     Dr. Heller described both drugs as sedatives, adding that phenobarbital was most commonly used as an anti-convulsant to control grand mal epilepsy and other types of partial seizures.
     She said, however, it would be difficult to judge the appropriateness of the drugs without knowing for whom they were intended.
     Officials at the Cuban Interests Section in Washington did not return calls for comment. Neither did the American Pediatrics Association in Illinois.
     Marisleysis Gonzalez, the boy's cousin who served as his surrogate mother during the five months he lived with his relatives, has charged that Elian was drugged after he was taken from the Miami home to make him look happy — a claim vigorously denied by federal authorities.
     Over the weekend, a senior Cuban official, Ricardo Alarcon, complained to reporters in Havana that the State Department was behaving like "kidnappers" in the Elian affair, citing as an example the government's seizure of the medicines from Dr. Ponce de Leon.
     Mr. Alarcon, president of Cuba's National Assembly who has served as Cuban President Fidel Castro's right-hand man on the Elian affair, said "it appears that customs officials know what kinds of medicine Elian, his cousin and the rest of the children and adults may need."
     Dr. Ponce de Leon was among 10 persons allowed to visit Elian at the Wye Plantation on Thursday, along with four of the boy's schoolmates from Cardenas, Cuba, a 10-year-old cousin and a parent of each of the schoolchildren.
     Ten Cuban diplomats met the boy and his father at the resort Tuesday, the day he arrived, including several top diplomats at the Cuban Interests Section. The diplomats were said to have been delivering supplies, but there was no elaboration.
     The names of the Cuban diplomats were not released, also those who went to the facility were identified as two first secretaries, one second secretary, two counselors, four support officers and the "spouse of second secretary."
     One of the first secretaries is believed to be Armando Collazo, who is suspected in an attack earlier this month on anti-Castro demonstrators outside the Cuban Interests Section. A federal appeals court has forbidden Elian from being taken to any Cuban property outside U.S. jurisdiction.
     The government seized Elian in a pre-dawn raid April 22. He was reunited five hours later with his father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez, at Andrews Air Force Base. The family was moved Tuesday to the Wye Plantation pending a May 11 hearing in which a federal appeals court will consider an asylum request filed by the boy's great-uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez.
     Yesterday, the father's attorney, Gregory Craig, asked the court to let Juan Miguel Gonzalez and his son return to Cuba by dismissing the Miami relatives' suit seeking a political asylum hearing for the boy.
     "This father seeks to raise his family where he wants and how he wants. This right is no less important to people from Cuba than it is to Americans," said Mr. Craig in a 17-page court filing.
     He said prolonging the case against the father's wishes only damaged Elian and his family.
     "Juan Miguel has determined that Elian's best interests lie in being with his father, raised in a stable home environment in the town where his father, stepmother, little brother, grandparents and first cousins were born, grew up and now live," Mr. Craig said. "Juan Miguel thinks that a 6-year-old boy found adrift in the Atlantic Ocean and now caught up in the American legal system craves the familiarity of his own bedroom in Cardenas."
     Mr. Craig also told the court the father had not been influenced by the Cuban government with regard to his return to that island nation, saying he has been "free to state his views honestly and openly, without coercion, without fear of retribution."
     He said if Mr. Gonzalez wanted to defect, he could have done so during a private meeting April 18 with Attorney General Janet Reno and U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service Commissioner Doris Meissner — when no Cuban diplomats were in attendance.

Janet Reno and her Record as a So-Called
Champion of Children
By Rael Jean Isacc

Now that Janet Reno has sent her swat team to tear a traumatized Elian Gonzalez from his relatives -- who can forget the child's terrified face staring at the helmeted figure whose machine gun is directed at him --it is worthwhile to consider her record as a so-called champion of children. The public remembers that she ended the lives of 25 children at Waco, Texas in the name of saving them. But what few people remember or recognize is her record on this issue prior to her becoming Attorney General.

Before her appointment by Clinton, Reno was district attorney in Dade County. There she catapulted to national attention on the basis of her prosecutions of child sex abusers: the only trouble was that the cases on which she achieved her fame were phony from top to bottom.

Grant Snowden was a police officer, named North Miami Officer of the year in 1983, whose wife had provided day care in their home for 15 years. Under relentless pressure from Reno's office (he was prosecuted a second time, after the first case was thrown out) Snowden was railroaded on spurious charges of sexually abusing a four year old and her 6 month old brother. Key to the conviction was the testimony of self-styled child-abuse experts Laurie and Joseph Braga (she had a PhD in speech, he in education) whom Reno installed in the D.A.'s office, complete with a special interrogation room for small children, from whom they elicited preposterous charges. Snowden was given five life sentences and served twelve years. Thanks to the well known efforts of the Wall Street Journal's Dorothy Rabinowitz and the unsung dedication of attorney Robert Rosenthal, a federal court of appeals finally overturned Snowden's conviction in 1998.

Reno's most famous case, the one that made her a national figure, was Country Walk, named after the upscale suburban Miami development in which it took place. This time day care was provided by newly wed 17 year old Ileana Fuster, supplementing the income of her 36 year old husband Frank. What makes Robert Rosenthal call this case "the worst I have ever seen" is the brutality with which Reno's office extracted a confession from Ileana, scarcely more than a child herself. For much of the eleven months she was held before she cracked, Ileana was kept in an isolation cell. In a sworn deposition, Stephen Dinerstein, the experienced investigator employed by the Fusters' attorneys, described how the bright, attractive girl with shiny black hair came to look as if she were 50, her skin covered with sores and infections. "That she is in a cell with nothing in it but a light in the ceiling and that she is often kept nude and in view of everybody and anybody." Reno personally came to the prison to put on the screws. Ileana, whose condition deteriorated so badly she could hardly move, told Dinerstein that "the woman State Attorney [Reno] was very big and very scary and made suggestions as to problems that would arise if she didn't cooperate."

Finally Ileana "confessed." Clutching Reno's hand, she gave her deposition. Frank had hung his own 6 year old son Noel by the feet in the garage and twisted him like a punching bag, hung her up by her arms in the same garage, spread feces on her, forced her to perform sexual acts on the children at knifepoint; put snakes in her genitals and those of the children; and stuck a cross in her rectum. Ileana was rewarded for her cooperation with a ten year sentence (she was released after three and deported to Honduras). Her husband Frank, who never confessed and in the courtroom kept appealing to the notions he harbored, as an immigrant, of American justice, was sentenced to six life terms plus 165 years. Sixteen years into that absurd conviction, Frank Fuster remains in a Florida prison.

Even worse, if that is possible, was Reno's behavior in the case of Bobby Fijnje, a fourteen year old boy active in his church and the son of a Dutch diplomat. Bobby was accused of a litany of absolutely ridiculous Satanic crimes including delivering babies by Cesarian section and forcing the children at the church day care center to eat them while their parents were next door at prayer. Reno put tremendous pressure on the family to have him plead guilty, offering a very light sentence if he would do so. If he would not, she would try him as an adult and put him behind bars for 99 years. The family was told he would have AIDS within a week and even the family's lawyers and expert witnesses urged the boy and his parents to take the plea bargain.

Bobby and his father stood firm and by some miracle, given the hysterical atmosphere, the jury found him innocent. Another black mark for Reno is that she insisted that the verdict not be read until she arrived. As a result the Fijnje family was forced to sit frozen in terrified suspense for almost two hours after the jury came in with their verdict. Reno wanted to savor publicly what she assumed would be another great triumph, another notch in her belt as the champion of abused children.

Yes, these cases were tried at a time of generalized hysteria over alleged widespread child sexual abuse at day care centers and Salem witch trials of this sort were not confined to Dade County. But Reno was District Attorney. It was her duty to examine evidence (there was none) soberly, not become Hysteric-in-chief. When the hearings on Reno's nomination as attorney general were conducted, Bobby Fijnje's parents bombarded Clinton and Congress with information on what she had done to their son. No one was interested.

The young children of Grant Snowden were torn from their father. Frank Fuster's young son Noel was torn from his father. Bobby Fijnjne was torn from his parents for a year prior to the trial, and if it had been up to Janet Reno, would never have been reunited with them. And all this was on the basis of charges that would be laughable if it were not that they had destroyed lives. Even now, when the absurdity of these cases -- and others that rocked the country in the 1980s is almost universally recognized -- Janet Reno has made no effort to secure the release of her victims. Frank Fuster still rots in prison. Snowden would still be there, were it not for Dorothy Rabinowitz and Robert Rosenthal. As for Bobby Fijnje, John Hogan, Reno's right hand man in the D.A.'s office, whom she brought to Washington as Chief of Staff at the Justice Department, has summed up the prosecution's view: the state's major mistake was not spending enough money on the case.

This writer does not presume to judge whether Elian Gonzalez should grow up with his father or his Miami relatives. That is something a U.S. family court should decide on the basis of the child's best interests and feelings. What is absolutely clear however is that Janet Reno's history uniquely disqualifies her from making that determination.

~Dr. Rael Jean Isaac is a National Advisory Board member of the Independent Women's Forum. Her most recent book is Madness in the Streets: How Psychiatry and the Law Abandoned the Mentally Ill(co-authored with Virginia Armat), published by the Free Press.

~This piece orginally appeared in the Manchester Union Leader on Thursday, April 27, 2000.

Message: Are you being sarcastic realizing that this is not right and needs to be corrected. Or are you bending over grabbing your ankles and screaming for more?

Message: CLINTON--AND THE DEMOCRATS--AND THE LIBERAL MEDIA--COUNT ON PEOPLE OF AMERICA GETTING BORED WITH THE LATEST NEWS AND WANTING TO MOVE ON. THEY COUNT ON IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY TO GAIN WHAT THEY WANT. THEY LIE AND SMEAR AND HOPE YOU GO FOR THE BAIT BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO WIN IS IF THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA TURN THEIR BACKS AND IGNORE THE LACK OF ETHICS AND CHARACTER. THEY DEPEND ON IGNORANCE TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA. DON'T FALL FOR IT; DON'T ALLOW THE UNIONS, OR THE MEDIA, OR THE NEWSPAPERS TO TELL YOU WHO TO VOTE FOR. READ THE ISSUES--NOT JUST IN ONE PAPER BUT MANY PAPERS, BOTH LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE. GET THE FACTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY, THEN DECIDE.

It was the day after Easter when a gang fight broke out at the Washington tourist attraction. Seven children were wounded -- one was listed in grave condition. Last I heard, the 11-year-old most severely hurt was listed as brain dead.

But if anyone connected with this story is truly brain dead, it's got to be the vice president.

Without the benefit of having a clue as to the nature of the shootings and who was responsible, presidential-wannabe Gore was making political hay out of it -- exploiting another senseless tragedy for his own career ambitions.

"We really have to have mandatory child safety trigger locks, and photo license IDs for the purchase of new handguns," he told a crowd in New York City hours after the shooting.

Excuse me? Trigger locks? Just how would trigger locks have prevented a deliberate act of violence and terror like this?

In case Mr. Gore doesn't realize it, the purpose of trigger locks is to prevent accidental gun deaths by children -- not deliberate acts of mayhem.

Of course, nobody stops to think about these things when emotions are running high. We all feel a sense of helplessness after a mass shooting like this one. And politicians like Al Gore and Bill Clinton instinctively, reflexively manipulate those public emotions so effectively. It's what they do for a living. They're pros.

Gore has made trigger locks and gun control in general a cornerstone of his presidential campaign. He also says he would ban possession of

Message: Trigger locks? No thanks - JOSEPH FARAH - WorldNetDaily - May 2, 2000

Gore has made trigger locks and gun control in general a cornerstone of his presidential campaign. He also says he would ban possession of guns in churches, which would, by definition, make them safe for gun-toting lawbreakers only. Mark my words. If, when and where such laws are passed, violence in churches will increase. The next time some maniac wants to kill a bunch of people fast, he'll have a choice of targets -- public schools and churches.

But back to trigger locks for a moment. Everybody seems to love them -- including gun manufacturers and the National Rifle Association. Nobody seems to mind that they will be totally ineffectual and certainly counterproductive if the purpose is to save innocent lives.

First of all, accidental gun deaths among children are extremely rare. According to John Lott, the esteemed researcher on the subject of gun violence, the annual rate of accidental gun deaths for children 10 and younger in New York City is 1.2. That's right. On average, 1.2 New York children are killed accidentally with a gun every year. There are 2.6 million children in that age group in New York. There are 3.3 million adults owning at least one gun. Yet, only 1 kid per year is killed accidentally with a gun.

"Well," you say, "even if only one kid could be saved, the imposition of trigger locks would be worth the extra cost and inconvenience to the public."

Message: Trigger locks? No thanks - JOSEPH FARAH - WorldNetDaily - May 2, 2000

You see, guns actually deter criminals. Americans use guns defensively about 2 million times each year -- five times more frequently than the 430,000 times guns are used to commit crimes. And the best part is that simply brandishing a gun stops the attack 98 percent of the time.

So, even if you have young kids you are worried about, trigger locks don't make sense. The increased time it takes to get the gun ready to deter a criminal will assuredly result in more good guys biting the dust. Similarly, laws that require people to lock up their guns for their own safety are in fact killing more innocent people. It does not, as conventional wisdom suggests, result in fewer accidental gun deaths or fewer suicides.

Again, 15 states that adopted such laws between 1977 and 1996 saw murders skyrocket annually by 300 and rapes by 3,860.

"Oh," you say, "but such laws are popular, Farah. You're just out of step with the times and reality."

Not so. In fact, the most recent poll on this subject by Zogby International shows that most Americans want to solve gun violence by prosecuting criminals who use a gun. Only 2.2 percent think more legislation from Congress is the best solution.

But I don't care if trigger locks and other sissy laws like them are popular or not. Truth is truth, right is right and wrong is wrong. And the truth is that guns in the hands of responsible, law-abiding citizens are right. And restrictions on the use of guns by responsible, law-abiding citizens are wrong.

Worth flagging no less for future anthropologists than for future historians is the fact that out of the 2,600 people at Saturday's annual White House Correspondents' Association dinner — most of whom, of course, were news writers and editors hosting a heavy contingent of Washington and Hollywood hoo-has — only Internet reporter Matt Drudge saw fit to report what may have been the evening's defining image: a video clip purporting to be former Independent Council Kenneth W. Starr, puffing on a cigar, and flashing his underwear in a manner suggesting, one might say, sexual arousal. The crowd, as they say, roared.
Is a body wholly funny bone-deficient if this juxtaposition of imagery — impeached president and vilified prosecutor — fails to bring on an oxygen-depriving attack of the giggles? Considering the trampling the law has suffered at the hands, or, rather the feet of Mr. Clinton and his band (however merry they might be on gala occasions), forgive us if it hurts when we laugh. It's true that more than a year has passed — a Paleolithic age in Washington — since the president was disgraced, impeached and acquitted. Few probably even remember that Mr. Clinton came late to last year's press dinner to avoid presenting Lewinsky-scoopster Michael Isikoff with an intrepid-reporter award, no doubt hoping to avoid a hearty handclasp like the one he received at an earlier banquet from this newspaper's award-winning Jerry Seper. But are scandal jokes still cute? Come to think of it, were they ever anything more than a little bit outrageous? "Over the past few months, I've lost ten pounds," Mr. Clinton said. "Where did they go? Why did I not produce them to the independen

"Over the past few months, I've lost ten pounds," Mr. Clinton said. "Where did they go? Why did I not produce them to the independent counsel?" Yukkety yuk.
Longer ago than the days of impeachment, of course, is the White House travel office scandal, during which Billy Dale and six other civil servants were summarily canned, slammed and ruined to make way for a bevy of Clinton cronies. High time, then, according to the White House, to turn their misfortune into laugh-track fodder. Addressing the crowd, which included the cast of the television show "West Wing," Mr. Clinton saw fit to compare his first year in office to the show's first season: "The critics just hated my travel office episode," he said. Guffaws all around.
The president went on to joke repeatedly about the plight of Elian Gonzalez — an episode that is still unresolved and painful to many — by talking about the ease with which he would crash the evening's after-party parties with Janet Reno — get it? — and by pretending to notice suspiciously longer hair in a photograph of himself. Then came a projected image of Mount Rushmore, featuring Mr. Clinton, of course, with a caption that read: "Photo courtesy of Greg Craig." Judging by the peals of laughter, it would seem that the Fourth Estate is tickled to continue collecting government handouts on little Elian's condition.
In short, a good time was had by all. "A nostalgic and lighthearted look at his final months," enthused the Associated Press. Mr. Clinton was "the real star of the evening," said The Washington Post. The president's stand-up routine was even the subject of discussion on ABC's "This Week,

Message: That's no joke - THE WASHINGTON TIMES - EDITORIAL • May 2, 2000
In short, a good time was had by all. "A nostalgic and lighthearted look at his final months," enthused the Associated Press. Mr. Clinton was "the real star of the evening," said The Washington Post. The president's stand-up routine was even the subject of discussion on ABC's "This Week," rendering Sam Donaldson, if not exactly speechless, practically ungrammatical. "Did you notice how the president, I mean, he was just like — well, he was like a professional comic in the way he'd say, 'I don't think so.' "
To "debate" the issue further, Mr. Donaldson introduced Regis Philbin — "a guy who knows a lot about entertainment" — who was perhaps more illuminating than expected. "I noticed that outside of maybe just a little minor thing by Jay [Leno] last night, that all of the bad things that we should stay away from when we're talking about the — President Clinton — were not mentioned at all," said Mr. Philbin. Out of the mouths of guys who know a lot about entertainment.
Mr. Clinton, of course, showed a different strain of reticence in choosing his subjects, sticking to the small and expendable — Billy Dale, Elian Gonzalez and even Ken Starr. But don't bust your britches yet. The laws Mr. Clinton is known to have flouted — aptly personified by Mr. Clinton's victory mockup of Mr. Starr — are in the end the laws that are supposed to protect us all. And that might not all always seem so funny.

Message: Klayman-Clinton Make Eyelock - NewsMax.com - Monday May 1, 2000 12:07 AM EST

On Saturday night the press feted the Clintons at the Annual White House Correspondents Dinner.

It was only natural that Larry Klayman, Chairman of Judicial Watch, would be there, and seated as far away from the dais as possible.

We hear from a reliable source that Mr. Klayman wandered close to the dais, close enough for him and Mr. Clinton to make eye contact.

Clinton apparently cocked his head and began staring at Klayman. Mr. Klayman stared back. The Chief Executive was said to have lost his smile for the moment.

Interestingly, after the encounter, a bevy of Secret Service suddenly appeared around the table at which Mr. Klayman was sitting.

Seeing Presidential Press Secretary Joe Lockhart later that evening, Klayman told Big Joe that he was wrong in one of his recent rants when he complained Judicial Watch had sued the President 40 times. Judicial Watch has sued Clinton 58 times.

Message: WHO'S WATCHING DARIUS? - XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUNDAY APRIL 30 2000 13:03:00 ET XXXXX
WASHINGTON -- "Do you have any champagne?" CNN60MINUTES all-star Christiane Amanpour asked the bartender at the BLOOMBERG after-party as she giggled with her husband Jamie Rubin who wore no black-tie even though the invitation required it. ~~~ "All the rebels have become conformists," I later said to Amanpour as we sat and talked about the sell out. ~~~ With Jamie rolling his eyes, I accused Amanpour of blindly supporting The State, as I donned a T-shirt of an ironed-on Elian Gonzalez at gunpoint [copyright Alan Diaz, ASSOCIATED PRESS]. ~~~ "That's just horrible you're wearing thaaaat," Amanpour said in between sips in an accent that spans the continents. ~~~ "All you rebels have become conformists," I repeated. "HE did this to you!" ~~~ For a moment in the BLOOMBERG bathroom I had a panic attack. It hit me hard. HE will soon be gone. ~~~Not just Jamie, not just Lockhart, not just Janet, not just Madeleine, not just Sidney, and not just Amanpour, who clearly timed her pollination to his leaving. ~~~ HE is their center. ~~~ And, Christiane, who's watching baby Darius? ~~~ HE seduced them. HE loved them. HE gave them good copy. HE was their friend. USA TODAY all-star Susan Page presented him with an Oscar. A few weeks ago in Beverly Hills Jay Leno presented him with a check. ~~~ "They'll never indict him," Sam Donaldson screamed, with a voice nearly recovered from yelling at Reagan. ~~~ TIME editor Isaacson was laughing so hard, sitting next to Madeleine, please forgive if the magazine is tear-stained Monday. ~~~ Because HE is leaving. And HE corrupted them. ~~~ Lord of the Baby Boom. ~~~ Baron of the Blisters. ~~~ [He would cancel when he was flared up, Lewinsky told Tripp back

Message: I have a common sense gun law! Everyone that has never been convicted of a crime, nor had history of mental illness, MUST carry a conceled fire arm at all times. This would drop violent crime rates right off the bat, and would drop criminal population. You would see less people die when criminals and crazies do go on rampages because someone will kill them before they can shoot 5 or 6 people. It's beautiful.

Message: WHO'S WATCHING DARIUS? - DRUDGE REPORT - SUNDAY APRIL 30 2000 13:03:00 ET
[He would cancel when he was flared up, Lewinsky told Tripp back in our 1990's.] ~~~ What will we all do without him? ~~~ "We're going to miss you, Mr. President," I said leaning over the velvet rope flashing my Elian T with him, looking up and down, glaring at me. ~~~ "How did he get in here," press maestro Joe Lockhart whispered into the ear of a reporter while chewing a mouth full of spicy greens, mango and lo mein noodles served with warm sesame crusted salmon, grilled lamb chop and sliced tenderloin of beef, sauce cabernet, potato dauphinoise rondelle, baby carrots and asparagus, french rolls, flat breads, pumpernickel, raisin rolls, marble mousse torte, chocolate crust-filled with white chocolate and semi-sweet chocolate mousse, fresh fruit garnish and coffee. ~~~ Janet stared in horror as I stood in front of her -- Elian, with his look of horror, staring her straight back in her face. ~~~ "You're my homepage. I read you all the time. I love it when you put up a siren. You made me a star, honey. I have to get a picture with you," said Smear Queen Diva and campaign manager to Al Gore, Donna Brazile as we hugged and talked about what a fun summer we're going to have. ~~~ But HE will never be replaced. ~~~ Dean of the Degenerates. Prince of the Parties. ~~~ Leno, who presented him with a check a few weeks ago in BH, showed a video of a dog dry humping a woman's leg -- then quickly flashed a pic of the Commander in Chief. ~~~ The crowd cheers. So does his wife. And so does HE. ~~~ As does Lockhart, while chewing a mouthful of Rivercrest Chardonnay, Rivercrest Cabernet Sauvignon. ~~~ Impeached. Stained. Accused. Standing ovation. ~~~ The highlight of the night, this his final formal

WHO'S WATCHING DARIUS? - DRUDGE REPORT - SUNDAY APRIL 30 2000 13:03:00 ET
The highlight of the night, this his final formal night with family at the WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENTS DINNER, was a video of "Ken Starr" smoking a cigar, dressed in drag, flashing his underwear, harboring an apparent erection. ~~~ As the crowd roared and Wolf howled and Janet clapped her wings. ~~~ Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder would later tell me after the lights came on and the crowd began dispersing and the HILTON staff began sweeping up all the wet Kleenex: "It was in good humor." ~~~ "You have the impeached president and the gentleman assigned, by Justice, who proved the case now depicted in drag, in his underwear, obviously aroused, as presidential staffers who spread Starr gay rumors celebrate?! And that's good taste? Good humor?" I press Holder, flashing my Elian. ~~~ "Do you have any champagne?" Amanpour asked the bartender at BLOOMBERG. ~~~ "Darling, here it's flowing in the streets."

I HAVE READ SEVERAL ARTICLES ON THE SATURDAY NIGHT BLOW-OUT AT THE ANNUAL WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENTS DINNER. I AM STUNNED THAT CLINTON, WHO FOR A FEW SHORT DAYS WALKED WITH HIS HEAD DOWN LIKE A WHIPPED PUPPY AFTER FINALLY HAVING TO HALF-HEARTEDLY APPOLIGIZE FOR LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IS NOW MAKING A JOKE OF THE WHOLE SORRID MESS.

I AM STUNNED, AND ASHAMED. I AM ASHAMED OF THE MAN WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF MY COUNTRY. I AM ASHAMED OF THE SENATORS WHO SHOULD HAVE IMPEACHED HIM AND DEMANDED HE LEAVE OFFICE, BUT INSTEAD GAVE A GRAND AND JOYOUS RECEPTION IN THE ROSE GARDEN AFTER THE FINAL VERDICT. HE IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE, AS AL GORE SAID, "ONE OF OUR GREATEST PRESIDENTS."

HE WILL ALWAYS BE THE PRESIDENT WHO LACKED ETHICS AND MORAL CHARACTER. HE WILL ALWAYS BE THE PRESIDENT WHO COMMITTED PERJURY AND IN DOING SO TRAMPLED OUR CONSTITUTION.

Hey, terminator, are you one of those people from one of those other forums that love bea so much? I'd like to know where these forums are.

Message: http://www2.ncn.com/~corgi/beadog.html WOW! Bea really is loved there! "The Queen of all she surveys"

Message: sorry i got on smedleys ass last forum, but he pissed me off. he started off the forum stating that only he and other lawyers care about procedure (pompous) and then proceeded to rail against the justice department (a bunch of lawyers) for not following them (twit). i hope he doesn't take it personally, i did for awhile, but i'm over it. i should have handled it better. i didn't because i'm shallow and bitter. more so when it comes to child custody issues and the business lawyers get by fostering disharmony. hell, i was the one on the grassy knoll who killed JFK as well. anyway, i apologize to smedley for my attack.

Message: yeah, i saw that a&e series, they've even got a tape of it in the parish library, seemed a little convenient of an explanation. the dizinformatsiya in this case has come from the left & the right, here & overseas, & the leftist dissemblers from overseas have always tried to lump the disgruntled algerian french rightists in w/the other usual suspects. the french 'shooters' interviewed had a long history that put them all over the politixcal map but i think that the main goal of this line of investigation was to distract attention back to old conflicts that cast the bogeymen as rightist fascists. A LOT OF MAE BRUSSELS CONSPIRACY STUFF IS PURE EAST BLOC PROPAGANDA FEED; all the 'permindex' cant works toward that end. some of it looks bonafide & a lot of it looks like partisan conspiracy mulch.

the urls for the sites i mentioned are: fair play: http: //home.rmi.net/~jkelin/fp.html (check their on-site archives of back issues)

weberman: //www.weberman.com/nodules (the front end of the site, accesed by the url before '/nodules' is cute but doesn't seem to run well consistently; the nodules are the substance; ajw has some good material but his caboose seems to be trying to run the train)

Message: Yes, the Amazing Fudd has done it again. A couple forums ago I was ranting about tobacco and the FDA's failed attempt at taking it over. In that post, as you probably all remember, I typed something about the government not being able to stop people from sleeping with the local bar whore. Well, they will try. They are using gonoriah (sp?) as an excuse for raising the tax on beer. They say that it will reduce drunken, risky sexual activity. Enough is enough, WTF has happened to America that a LEGALLY producing company can be held responsible for the misuse by consumers. When does it stop?

Message: A LOT OF MAE BRUSSELS CONSPIRACY STUFF IS PURE EAST BLOC PROPAGANDA FEED; all the 'permindex' cant works toward that end. some of it looks bonafide & a lot of it looks like partisan conspiracy mulch.

Wha??? You lost me there, amigo. Thanks for the URLs, I'll be checking them out this evening.

magpie on the grassy knoll? I am not surprised. Frankly, I've had my suspicions for quite some time that magpie was the shooter.

I'm just remembering one of the tortured explanations that the conspiracy "debunkers" offer : that JFK's sudden lurch "back and to the left" with the fatal headshot was a neural reflex - so powerful and instantaneous, in fact, that it more than compennsated for the force (mass X velocity) of the bullet fired from the sixth floor Book Depository window behind him.

Message: i don't know about preventing VD, but less drinking in my youth would have stopped me from having relations with chicks that are asthetically challenged. you know the old saying. the more you have, the better looking they get.

Well, my entire point for the last ten forums devoted to Elian was that the Clinton admin has not followed the appropriate single procedures and you have NEVER, NEVER, NEVER even bothered to care. Instead, you solution has to date been "Give the boy to dad". That is not procedure. As to the Justice dept, that is a politicized organization that seeming could give a shit about your rights and the constitution. I will agree with you in that point.

i did for awhile, but i'm over it. i should have handled it better. i didn't because i'm shallow and bitter.

more so when it comes to child custody issues and the business lawyers get by fostering disharmony.

My friend, you would be surprised at how often it is the lawyers telling the emotionally heated client to cool it. The only family law stuff I do is for poor women who only want out of the marriage with their skin and their children. However, I had a friend of mine willing to sacrifice ten thousand dollars to not give his cheating slut-harpie wife two thousand from a joint account. My advice to him -- "make alot of noise over a single conference -- argue why she doesn't deserve it -- have her look you in the eye as she tries to defend herself -- but if you have to -- give her the two grand. While it'll sting like hell, it beats the emotional wear and tear of dragging it out."

hell, i was the one on the grassy knoll who killed JFK as well. anyway, i apologize to smedley for my attack.

If they really wanted to reduce risky sexual activity, they'd castrate Bill Clinton.

Message: thank you-you are alright in my book. i'll try to look at things in a more logical and antiseptic way in the future. i will be the emotionless mr. spock.

Message: i don't know about preventing VD, but less drinking in my youth would have stopped me from having relations with chicks that are asthetically challenged.

While I would hate to promote drunken sexual activity, fugly people (men and women) got to get laid too! Hey, even for generally handsome men, a few drinks sometimes helps them nail the most stunning of women. Overlooking your occasional drunken mercy-f**k, I'm sure your dating resume has otherwise been improved though the use of alcohol.

Message: It's good to see that a "war" doesn't have to go on for a 150 forums like some others we know. No offense to those others, but gees, go back and see how long they were fighting. You think that castration would help? Smed, if Hillary hasn't castrated him yet....

Yes, I am a Liberal and very proud of it. And now, after years of contributions I look at my new Medicare Card with the security that no matter what happens to me I will not have to die in the street.

That's what Liberalism means to me: that when I'm young I can contribute to a government that will not let me die in the street when I'm old.

Oh, yes, you can say. I could have saved the money, or invested it. Sure, I could even be financially better off than I am now. But I could be sued tomorrow, or get some catastrophic disease that would wipe it all out in a couple of years or less. Medicare guarantees that I will never have to die in the street. p> Thanks to the Liberal philosophy. Liberalism lifts us from suffering unnecessarily. It lifts us out of third world status. Long live the Liberals.

Message: thank you-you are alright in my book. i'll try to look at things in a more logical and antiseptic way in the future. i will be the emotionless mr. spock.

Actually, there is alot to be said for passion. It is spice and character to human interaction. Emotionless people are dull. One thing I like about the smeditors . . . and even Witch Hazel. . . is their passion. They are passionate about their causes. My critique of them is that I feel they sometimes let their passions overrule their otherwise good judgement (that double edged sword of passion).

Of course, I am also not innocent of crossing the line and don't pretend to be. However, for all the dumb-shit I've done in my life in the name of passion, since I cannot undo it, my goal is to temper my passion with self-control.

There are issues that I today still go frothing-at-the-mouth ballistic about. I'd rather not say what they are as these hot buttons are H-O-T and I don't want anyone pressing them. Had the issue been one of my HOT buttons, I'd probably be apologizing to you.

Message: Thanks to the Liberal philosophy. Liberalism lifts us from suffering unnecessarily. It lifts us out of third world status. Long live the Liberals.

Well, while I agree that there are social nets that are good and we as a society should be compassionate, my problem with some (not all) liberals is that they sometimes do not consider the flip side to social programs that are too generous -- social dependancy.

I would also argue that socialist programs generally aligned with classical liberal agendas has drastically lowered standards of living, medicine...

Message: passion!!!!!the only great thing about being a human being. enthusiam-i believe that is greek for 'from the gods' or something. passion about politics, woman/men, rock and roll, kids, work etc. it's a thing that most of us have in common. even the small minded liberal dorks who are scared of their own shadow. global warming is a myth. so is the JFK conspiracy. but if you want to be passionate about it, no one will stop you from pissing your time away.

Message: WASHINGTON (ClintonNationalizedNews) -- President Bill Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton on Tuesday announced several new initiatives aimed at helping parents (like the way the IRS helps working people) raise healthy teen-agers.

Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare complained she didn't want any prayer in our government schools, and we said OK. Then someone said, in government schools, you better not talk about such things as thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor yourself. And we said, OK, we won't.

Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem. And we said, an expert should know what he's talking about so we won't spank them anymore.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. And the school administration said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued. And we accepted their reasoning.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said, that's a grand idea. In fact, government schools can council teens to get abortions without telling the parents. And that is OK too.

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said, that's another great idea.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. And agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.

And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. And let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, and nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.

Therefore, now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with... "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Message: Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with... "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

trite generalities like these are myths in themselves. global warming is a complex, ongoing process. The climate rcords we have give us the barest tools for forecasting. We really just don't know if man-made chemicals, two hundreed years of increasing industrial activity, and the intense use of fossil fuels for the generation of power are going to change the equations that much. its worth looking into. the sierra-club version is way off base but there is some real science in there. you're just fooling yourself to think there is not a credible possibility of mankind's actions not being able to affect long-term processes. The building of levees to stop floodwaters of the big rivers is the major culprit behind most wetlands erosion, yet the easy, publicized scapegoat - oil field canals in marshy estuarines - is only responsible for a fraction of the damage. i don't mind people getting passionate about these issues cuase it reflects the meaning and value that things like rain and wetlands have for the quality of our lives. it helps if people are willing to accept their own responsibility and have a broad enough view not to use easy scapegoats. you don't change people's minds by being snotty and highhanded , over time they'll just leave you pawning your gook ears for a lil more adulation. you can always get more where you got those.

people do piss their lives away on conspiracies just like they do w/ber. but it remains a historical puzzle of considerable interest. if you want to cariacture the researchers and then try to take a pee at them, that may be your passion, but its chickenshit to dis someone for studying something that doesn't hold your interest or that you don't understand.

so double nyah nyahh & all that, you old male-lesbian rad-feminist lawyer-hugging multicultal clinton-lover. anyway, we had the first weekend of this year's fest, yer boy mr. mac reennack did as fine a set as i've seen him do in years, much less the history lesson & new orleans story book & much more the meters/nightripper dr. john. he was red hot. & followed by the allmans who i hadn't seen in about 4 years; last time it was w/the govt. mule guys in the band. have you ssen them w/ oteil, the bass player from aquarium rescue unit,and derek trucks, the drummers nephew. the kid took a while to get going but he has great tone. there was also a thrird percussionist. they rocked. greg concentrated on the keyboards not on the dripping lounge singer persona, dickie ran the show and made sure everybody had room to shine. great long 'elizabeth reed' &'no one to run around with'. gatemouth brown opened the aft. and was good but not his top form.

i skipped sat but went back sunday: continental drifters, one of these bands that the tabloids and cog-no-scent-ees love and who are always supposed to be about to set the greater world afire except they get out there and break up and limp back into town for these perennial 'reunion' scams;i bet atlanta has a few acts like these, cf. drivin & cryin, nola and austin have plenty. anyway tyhe drifters, who have dbs, bangles people & have sounded not bad before , absolutely sucked the king zuchini. dr. john , veteran of a million proms, cyo's, american legions, psychedelic dungeon boxes off the interstate, was pretty good -he's carved out chicago blues style niche that he can do much justice to. the galactic, a new band that tours nationally, was not bad either; they are like maybe the new generation'radiators', soul funk w/some rock/metal & sounds for the haid, not bad at all, twin baritones, b3, a real r&b black vocalist,but still just kinda yeah-yeah, you'll live if you don't see them. also the old wailers reggae band, bob's band, who were pretty good if ya like dat, mon, ; i see them while bailing out of the overcrowded 'sting' concert, he sounded okay, just like the records, very professional, fifteen minutes was way plenty. also saw some of boozoo chavis & magic sounds, one of the best zydeco acts.

sorry to digress & give you the whole slide show, basically i was curious about if you'd seen the new gneration allmans & all. actually i will admit there's some validity to your original grousing about the futility involved in tracking down global warming or the killers of jfk ( the local history aspect of jfk can be fascinating, for sure) but i just felt like giving you shit for being so ornery. i know you have thick hide because you said that colonel harland sanders' invective didn't faze you. that proves you cant be a pointy head!

Message: i fucked up: in the second part of the music portio above, i referred to 'dr.john' veteran countless shows'. that was a bi goof. i meant 'DEACON JOHN'. i still had the doctor on the brain, but deacon john deserves his own recognition esp. in the worldwideworld of virtual music appreciation

Message: Thanks, pal. Yes, passionate I am. I feel passionately for those less fortunate than I, I feel passionately for children and their education, I feel passionately for every American's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I also feel passionately against people who choose constant hate as a mental habit, who use insults and put-downs to pump themselves up or outshout those who disagree with them, and those who can't think for themselves.

NOTE: Smedley and Magpie are NOT included in the above descriptions. Neither is the editor. Everyone else is fair game.

Message: Tee hee hee. Read the last paragraph in Hazel's letter, then read the second. Sounds like her prejudice is her passion. Tee hee hee.

WHILE IT IS SUGGESTED THAT WE WATCH WHAT OUR CHILDREN DO, WHERE THEY GO, AND WHO THEY CULTIVATE AS FRIENDS--AND WE ARE TOLD TO SIMPLY TURN OFF OBJECTIONABLE MUSIC OR PROGRAMS ON THE RADIO OR TV, AND MONITOR OR CONTROL OUR CHILD'S INTERNET CONTACTS ON THE WEB--WE ACTUALLY HAVE LITTLE CONTROL OF OUR CHILDREN AT ALL.

DOES IT SURPRISE YOU THAT YOUR 15 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER CAN'T DROP OUT OF SCHOOL, OR GET HER BELLY BUTTON PIERCED, OR GET A TATTOO, OR GET A CUT FINGER STITCHED WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION, YET IN MANY STATES SHE CAN UNDERGO A MEDICAL PROCEDURE CALLED AN ABORTION?

Message: I also feel passionately against people who choose constant hate as a mental habit, who use insults and put-downs to pump themselves up or outshout those who disagree with them, and those who can't think for themselves.

For example, I do hate certain individuals based on their individual actions that I can clearly enumerate, but I do not hate classes of people. Throwing insults and outshouting is common to all groups as I see it. While the both of us have been guilty of hurling insults, (sometimes buried in the rhetoric, sometimes more overt), I usually tie my insult to a specific action or statement made by my debate opponent in the context of the underlying circumstances. For example, if someone states something to me that I can easily disprove, I can go the light route and ask one to be more careful with the facts (a better approach when the facts are/were at issue/uncertain or old/forgotten) or I can go the heavy route and call them a $%&*@# liar, which I should only use sparingly. I confess that, in the past, I have used the L-word too liberally (no pun intended). However, I do make a constant effort to improve on my selection of modifiers.

Honestly, Witchster, I think Libs and Cons both have the betterment of mankind as their primary goal. However, we approach the subject with conflicting/inopposite solutions which can and should be resolved through debate and experimentation. Unfortunately, certain individuals have equated the other side's view as "hate" per se and while certain people on both sides do come to mind, I believe it was the left that started this practice. I'd rail on the Dems for their "sound bite" politics, but sound bite politics was around from the beginning of time and used by anyone as a tool to manipulate those too lazy or apathetic to do the homework!

Message: Is it okay to hate Geraldo? I need to know because I really hate that guy! I hate him more than I hate all politicians (including Maxine Waters), dishonest journalist, taxes and brussel sprouts combined.

I also feel passionately against people who choose constant hate as a mental habit, who use insults and put-downs to pump themselves up or outshout those who disagree with them, and those who can't think for themselves.

Hey, terminator, are you one of those people from one of those other forums that love bea so much? I'd like to know where these forums are.

Why? So you can track her down and lambaste her with unwarranted insults and name-calling? I don't think so. She's quite happy ruling roosts where she is without any interference from the nitwits on this list.

Well, I should really be going. I have no comment on politics because I find it boring today. (This forum was a real snorer, guys, surely you can do better.) But I will inform you that the gospel group "Mary, Mary" has finally released their new album "Thankful" -- in stores today.

They be jam'un, mon. Sum rat guud music on yur rah-dio, daddio. "Take the shackles off my feet so I can dance!" The bass line is standard but groovy, and of course, the vocals are the zenith.

Message: Dearest Mrs. Clinton, well, now I've really classified myself!- this was pretty easy to do, I just drank a six-pack, got way on line, and then left a message on the official White House site for the Office of the First Lady pertaining to the fact that I was alone, in my own home, drooling over her luscious heavenly body- ! well, that'll quo me as someone crazy. took a six pack though. Don't worry, I wandered over to the local AA meeting tonight, stayed five minutes and then wandered away, when will it ever end? I've been to the churches in town to grovel over my fate- I pray and pray- will there ever be a miracle for me?- I am yet young. Sorry for the sorry message over there, like this forum more, it is informal. well, have a good night, don't let the bed bugs bite, luv, David H. Levesque.

Message: In fact, if anyone else likes the new contemporary gospel, Kirk Franklin is another good one. Among a few other popular gospel songs, he's had Stomp and Revolution. You have to PUMP UP THE BASS on these two. Sounds great.

Message: Hey, terminator, are you one of those people from one of those other forums that love bea so much? I'd like to know where these forums are.

Question #1 : If Bea is so happy at all those other places, why does she still infest the HRC forum?

Question #2 : Who believes that there is a forum populated so totally by retards that Bea is the ruling thinker?

Question #3 : Considering the tremendous amount of time QB spent here, where did she get the time to infest other forums, much less work and sleep?

Message: "Oh, I wanted to send a shout-out to ControlGirl's step-son Josh. Hi JOSH!"

Message: "Tee hee hee. Read the last paragraph in Hazel's letter, then read the second. Sounds like her prejudice is her passion. Tee hee hee."

Message: Queen Bea is pretty much around for a banished person who spends her time dominating all those other forums

This reminded me of a quote. Not that it has anything to do with your post which I agreed with, but a fine piece of wisdom none the less.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

CINCINNATI (AP) - Ohio's state motto, taken from a Bible passage, expresses ``a uniquely Christian thought'' and therefore is unconstitutional, a federal appeals court has ruled.

A panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decided 2-1 Tuesday to reverse a lower court's decision permitting Ohio's use of the motto, ``With God, all things are possible.''

Isn't this ruling unconstitutional?? And you wonder why we have a morally bankrupt society.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

     Prospects dimmed yesterday for congressional hearings on the armed seizure of Elian Gonzalez as Republican leaders dampened their early enthusiasm for a high-profile inquiry.
     House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, who voiced the most strident call for hearings the day after federal agents stormed the Miami house to seize the Cuban boy, sounded a far more cautious tone yesterday.
     "We've got to wait and see what we can get" before calling hearings, the Texas Republican said, hurrying away from a House leadership meeting.
     The day after the April 22 raid, Mr. DeLay said, "You bet there will be congressional hearings. . . . I was outraged. I was sickened, and afterwards I was ashamed."

The White House yielded yesterday to a sharply worded congressional protest and produced a thick stack of e-mail correspondence dealing with former White House intern Monica S. Lewinsky along with several documents President Clinton's lawyers originally contended might be privileged.
Facing a third round of hearings on subpoenaed e-mail that the White House says was lost because of computer glitches, White House counsel Beth Nolan said she wanted to make it clear that "the White House is fully cooperating" with the House Government Reform Committee's investigation. The inquiry has already churned up a variety of records, including one showing that a large volume of e-mail for White House aide Sidney Blumenthal was deleted from his personal computer in December 1998 at the height of the impeachment crisis. According to a Jan. 6, 1999, memo by White House computer specialist Daniel "Tony" Barry, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post, White House officials were talking about deleting the messages to Blumenthal from their automated, permanent archives as well. No reason was mentioned, nor was the final decision.

Message: Yes Mr. Lewis, you are the latest winner of the blacked out van grand prize. One will be sent to your home immediately*. *while supplies last

Message: (1) I could not reach a site with any permutation of
fair play: http: //home.rmi.net/~jkelin/fp.html (check their on-site archives of back issues)

(2) It was "Veroben" for me to enter the following
weberman: //www.weberman.com/nodules (the front end of the site, accesed by the url before '/nodules' is cute but doesn't seem to run well consistently; the nodules are the substance; ajw has some good material but his caboose seems to be trying to run the train) . Thanks anyway. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: sorry that didn't work. I had copied those URLs from the location window of the netscape toobar. If you want, try using the search terms 'fair play jfk' for the first site & 'coup d'etat in america' for the other site. 'mae brussel archives' should yield the link to her site, ehich has extensive info, some of it more useful than other parts, still worth a look. i think she was used as a conduit for certain overseas elements w/their own agendas & that she passed along some disinformation data w/out question. sorry the urls didn't work.

Year Of The Cat

On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they turn back time
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime
She comes out of the sun in a silk dress running
Like a watercolour in the rain
Don't bother asking for explanations
She'll just tell you that she came
In the year of the cat.

She doesn't give you time for questions
As she locks up your arm in hers
And you follow 'till your sense of which direction
Completely disappears
By the blue tiled walls near the market stalls
There's a hidden door she leads you to
These days, she says, I feel my life
Just like a river running through
The year of the cat.

She looks at you so cooly
And her eyes shine like the moon in the sea
She comes in incense and patchouli
So you take her, to find what's waiting inside
The year of the cat.

Well morning comes and you're still with her
And the bus and the tourists are gone
And you've thrown away the choice and lost your ticket
So you have to stay on
But the drum-beat strains of the night remain
In the rhythm of the new-born day
You know sometime you're bound to leave her
BUt for now you're going to stay
In the year of the cat.

Message: reference to magpie as 'rad-feminist lawyer-hugging multicultural clinton-lover' made only in jest. he is actually a georgia spotted bullfrog, as well as being , of course, magpie, a variant of the coyote/utgard-loki/trickster archtype that appears in pan-global myth science, and in this case, indigenous to the gulf coastal plain of the south east united states. unlike its neighbor, the crusty tree frog, the magpie spotted georgia bullfrog is liertate, capable of resonant booming growls signaling political opinions based on comprehensive personal observation and documented facts. the frogs in the budweiser commercial were based on the magpie phenomenon, tho they are to him as, in the words of auric goldfinger, "a catapult is to a spandau".

Disco Duck

Went to a party the other night
All the ladies were treating me right
Moving my feet to the disco beat
How in the world could I keep my seat

All of a sudden I began to change
I was on the dance floor acting strange
Flapping my arms I began to cluck
Look at me..I'm the disco duck

[dd] Ah get down mama, I've got to have me a woman, ha ha ha ha ha
[bs] Disco, disco duck
[dd] Got to have me a woman
[bs] Disco, disco duck
[dd] Oh get down mama
[bs] Try your luck, don't be a cluck, disco
[dd] Disco
[bs] Disco
[dd] Disco
[bs] Disco
[dd+bs] Disco
[bs] Disco disco duck
[dd] All right
[bs] Disco disco duck
[dd] Ah get down mama, oh mama shake your tail feather, ha ha ha ha ha

When the music stopped I returned to my seat
But there's no stoppin' a duck and his beat
So I got back up to try my luck
Why look

[dd] Everybody's doin' the
[dd+bs] Disco, disco duck
[dd+bs] Disco, disco duck
[bs] Try your luck
[dd] Wave to me
[bs] Don't be a cluck
[dd] I'm so happy to be here
[bs] Disco
[ep] Thank you duck
[bs] Disco
[ep] For gettin' down
[bs] Disco disco disco
[ep] Thank you so very much
[bs] Disco duck
[dd] You're welcome
[bs] Disco Disco Duck
[bs] Try your luck, don't be a cluck, disco, disco, disco..

Message: you had it right the first time. i really am snotty and highhanded. it's because i've been tied to the whipping post all my life except the last 10 years. that gives me the thick skin as well. the allmans are here sunday night at music midtown festival. my wife is taking me as it is my birthday (the big 50). my daughter is going but asked me to act like i don't know her if i see her there. wonder why? i like the allmans, but never had much of an affinity for greg allman as he dropped a dime on all those people for heroin. i think cher made him do it.

mike-remember one thing. jarheaqds are badasses. even the stupid ones. when i here of conspiracy buffs saying the oswald was a nobody who had to have had help to do the deed, i have to laugh. jarheads are programmed to adapt and overcome just about any situation. man it's getting warm today! do you think it could be global warming?

Message: congratulations on your half century, you jarheads are built to last,i still have two point two years to survive to make that number but even if algore wins,i plan on trying to get a long long duration in on this world. poor oswald was probably trying to do the same but they changed his orders w/out letting him in on the news. maybe it was just global warming for him too. i think youll enjoy the allmans, greg plays good, doesn't sing too much, seems to be an entirely different person - a successful recovery from cher and other negativities.

Message: I am a Liberal woman and very proud of it! With out the social safety nets that so many d

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Year Of The Cat

Disco Duck