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President Clinton lectured Americans over the weekend again on the subject of tolerance. It's time, he said, for all of us to deal with "the fear of the other" that motivates irrational acts of hatred.

Of course, Clinton was talking to his friends -- not his enemies. His message of tolerance was delivered to homosexual activists expected to raise $850,000 for more friends of his in the Democratic Party.

In fact, this group, ANGLE, or Access Now for Gay and Lesbian Equality, was the first homosexual activist organization to endorse Clinton's candidacy for president. They stuck with him even when he disappointed members with his "don't ask, don't tell" policy for homosexuals in the military and his 1996 decision to sign a law denying federal recognition of same-sex marriages.

"Here you are out here, all you think about is the new millennium," Clinton said. "Isn't it ironic that the thing that's holding us back most ... is our inability to form a community around our common humanity because of our vulnerability to mankind's most ancient fear, the fear of the other? I think we need to deal with that," he continued. "I believe my party is on the right side of all those issues."

Clinton said he has devoted much of his time in office to dealing with "the emotional and practical and national security demands" of international conflicts spurred by hatreds.

"I see people in this so-called modern world, where we're celebrating all of your modern ideas and your modern achievements, and what is the biggest problem in the world in America? We are dragged down by the most primitive of hatreds," Clinton said. "It's bizarre."

I'll tell you what's bizarre -- that Clinton can make such comments with a straight face and be taken seriously by any educated audience in the world.

It's easy to be tolerant of friends and political allies. That's the ONLY kind of tolerance Clinton and his crowd have ever demonstrated. What's not so easy is accepting the fact that other people disagree with you -- sometimes passionately -- and tolerating that, even when you have the power to make them pay.

Clinton has demonstrated over and over again that he is intolerant of dissent. That's why he began making enemies lists in the White House by 1994 at the latest. That's why he has pursued his political enemies "like a cancer," as he put it, attempting to "cut them out" of American life. He has used all the power of the federal government to enforce his will against his enemies, to punish them, to intimidate them, to coerce them, to silence them.

He tolerates it in China. He tolerates it from Puerto Rican terrorists. He tolerates it from trigger-happy federal arsonists in Waco. He even excuses it, condones it and practices it personally -- as in the case of Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, et al.

Tolerance of evil is no virtue. And intolerance of evil is certainly no vice. But, you see, President Clinton doesn't like to talk about right and wrong. He would prefer to redefine it on his terms. Tolerance sounds nice. And he can sound nice talking about how tolerant he is and how nasty other Americans are for being intolerant. The trouble is that it's all meaningless drivel.

Imagine Bill Clinton lecturing others about the importance of tolerance on the international stage! The mad bomber of Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, Sudan, etc. dares to moralize about the way he has dealt so effectively with ancient hatreds? What he has consistently demonstrated is his ability and willingness to drag America and all its military resources into taking sides in those kinds of squabbles.

The day Bill Clinton demonstrates the slightest bit of tolerance for those he doesn't like and for those who don't like him is the day he may have the moral authority to lecture the nation -- but I doubt it. I doubt we'll ever see it. And I doubt the word "moral" will ever be associated with him in any event.

If you ask me, America has demonstrated its extremely high level of tolerance by permitting this criminal to remain free and in power.

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``Now when my dog poops in the street I don't need to clean it up, because I can say it is art!'' said Grace Scala, a real estate agent who came to protest.

Grace, you are a moron! Are you so overtly obsessed with fecal matter that you cannot see the difference between a natural bodily function and art?? Exactly where do YOU find your morning inspiration? In the form of Fiber-All or Grape Nuts? Grow up!

``They have reduced art to dung and puke,'' he said. ``There is no better time for public officials to stop funding of all the arts.''

Stopping funding for ALL of the arts, including those that do not cater to puke and dung, qualifies as discrimination. But I do see a disturbing facet to fecal-splattered canvases that I did not see initially....they border on the pornographic.

Does anyone know what "Golden Girls" are? (Hint: I don't mean Betty, Estelle, Rue & Bea.) If anyone has noticed, there is a market out there, unbelieveably, for people who want to watch other people relieve themselves (eg., hidden toilet cams). And Golden Girls do it up front and honest for the camera. Apply this to fecal matter. Sadly, the dregs of our society have incorporated fecal matter, urine, blood, etc., into the sexual act. Hence, while the elephant dung and The Virgin Mary may be innocent alone, their combination may have resulted in a painting with ironic sexual connotations.

The Virgin Mary was unsoiled by sex. Given that some people consider dung erotic,the artist may have played an insidious joke on us. So in essence, the soiling and "dessicration" wasn't as obvious as everyone presumed it to be.

Bernice,the meaning of the cutouts from pornographic pictures that are scattered throughout this piece of "art",it seems to me,is fairly obvious,even if the meaning of the excrement isn't.

This same kind of "art",if it were to feature a Star of David (for example), would cause wails of protest from Die Schlickfrau that would be heard from here to Beijing...and back.

But then,it's always open season on cigarette smokers,law abiding gun owners and Catholics. Name:

ALGORE IS DAN QUAYLE WITHOUT THE CHARISMA

A small group of animal rights activists gathered outside, upset about works using dead and dismembered animals...A dead cow, cut in cross sections, showed the insides of the animal, looking like something from a page in a biology book. A pig was sliced down the middle in a similar fashion.

There is a difference between "art" and slaughtered animals. Symbolism is no longer an excuse when you use the carcasses and the images of creatures that were living, breathing entities. Even more hideous is imagining how and why these animal were killed. I certainly hope not for art's sake! And once again, you have a sick segment of the population who actually view this as having sexual connotations. I don't have any problem withdrawing my taxpayer money for something intended to be pornographic.

If Dahmer was still around, we could get his roadkill-obsessed opinion whether or not animal's blood and guts make for "art." .

Message: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Faced with new statistics that showed about one in six Americans lacked health insurance in 1998, President Clinton Monday expressed little surprise saying, ''what has happened is exactly what we said would happen.'' Read the full story.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House Thursday easily passed a bill that would make it a crime to harm or kill an ``unborn child'' during a violent crime, creating a new battleground over abortion rights.

The ``Unborn Victim of Violence Act'' treats an unborn child as a separate victim, with rights apart from the pregnant woman. It would apply when a federal crime is committed at any stage of a pregnancy.

The bill does not outlaw legal abortions, but opponents argued that granting the fetus separate rights would undermine abortion rights.

They backed an alternative measure that would give criminals harsher penalties for an assault that ``interrupted or terminated'' a pregnancy but would not recognize the fetus as a full-fledged separate human being.

It passed 254-172, with 56 Democrats joining 198 Republicans. The Senate has not taken up any companion legislation.

Florida Republican Charles Canady, a prominent anti-abortion rights lawmaker, said, ``The opponents of the bill are unwilling to acknowledge the real harm and loss that occurs when a crime results in the death or injury of an unborn child.''

Under current federal law, someone who commits a violent crime against a pregnant woman does not receive an additional punishment for damaging or killing a fetus, although some states have enacted such laws.

Canady argued that using the phrase ``unborn child'' does not undermine abortion rights as set out by the Supreme Court in Roe versus Wade in 1973.

``There is a fantasy here that the whole structure of abortion rights will come crumbling down because of this bill,'' he said.

But abortion rights groups said defining the fetus as a separate person would undermine abortion rights. Rep. Nita Lowey, a New York Democrat, called t

But abortion rights groups said defining the fetus as a separate person would undermine abortion rights. Rep. Nita Lowey, a New York Democrat, called the bill an ``ideological marker for the anti-choice special interests.''

``The loss or harm to a woman and her fetus is absolutely devastating to the woman and her family,'' said Lowey. She added that the alternative measure would give tough punishments and ''gets us to the same ends without overtly political means.''

Rep. Jim McDermott, a Washington Democrat, said the measure could be unworkable. If a woman is pushed, and later has a miscarriage -- which is fairly common in early pregnancy --''how are you going to prove it was caused by this action?''

``You can be the most pro-choice person in this body and vote in favor of this bill with enthusiasm. It's not about the unwanted pregnancies, it's about the wanted ones,'' said New Mexico Republican Heather Wilson.

``If someone deprives us of our choice to bring that child into the world, it's wrong and it should be a crime to do so,'' she said.

Message: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential front runner George W. Bush told the Christian Coalition Friday every unborn child ought to be protected by law against abortion.

``Every child, born and unborn, must be protected by law and welcomed to life,'' said the Texas governor, who has built an overwhelming money advantage and huge lead in polls in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. Read on

Message: Glad to see Bush is finally taking a stand on abortion. Now why doesn't he just come out of the closet and admit the pre-determined abortion views of those 2 or more Supreme Ct. appointees he may have to decide??

The very fact that Bush is "seeking the support of the Christian coalition" is scaaaaary!

Even Jesse V's def of religion offended my sensibilities, and I waffle between "There is a God" and "Are you kiddin' me??"

E. Dole - give it up! Less than a million and anti-choice. Going to resort to bilking hurricane victims next?? A woman who will never get this woman's vote.

Minnesotans' regard for Gov. Jesse Ventura in the immediate aftermath of his Playboy magazine interview has dropped sharply, the latest Star Tribune Minnesota Poll shows.

Fifty-four percent of Minnesotans approve of Ventura's overall job performance, according to a survey of 624 adults interviewed Friday evening to Sunday evening. While that's a slim majority, it's also a drop of 19 percentage points from a record-high 73 percent approval in a July poll.Click here for more on Jesse's downward spiral.I knew it! I knew it!

Message: your whining about pigs and antelopes while decrying about the right to rip a fetus out of the womb at will is odd and contradictory. Are you in the fetal tissue business? While I agree that the federal government should have no right to infringe on a womans choice, I just find it odd that someones brain doesn't consider a fetus the same way they consider a antelope. I can attribute it to nothing but selfishness. Maybe I'm wrong-enlighten me oh queen.

Message: anyone who says he likes to smoke a joint and listen to some hendrix is ok with me. I don't mind if he wants to rent woman if the woman don't mind being rented.

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUNDAY, OCTOBER 03, 1999 22:48:55 ET XXXXX

HILLARY'S NEW 'RAINBOW TOUR' TO COST TAXPAYERS MILLIONS

First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton is set to begin a new international tour that will take her to Poland, Slovakia, Italy and Iceland -- at a cost of more than three million dollars!

The trip [set for Oct. 5 to Oct. 10] will bring the number of countries Hillary has visited to 74, during 25 solo trips abroad since her husband took office in 1993.

The globetrotting has broken all travel records for U.S. first ladies.

Past solo destinations for Mrs. Clinton have included Russia and China, Egypt and Brazil, El Salvador and Sri Lanka.

Hillary staffer jokingly call the First Lady's travels "The Rainbow Tour," a reference to political trips taken by Argentinean First Lady Eva Peron.

The First Lady's press secretary [Hillary's, not Evita's] announced over the weekend: "Throughout the trip, the First Lady will underscore the importance -- as we approach the new millennium -- of working with non-governmental organizations on issues of civic participation, human rights and social investment; encouraging the economic empowerment of women; and preserving the world's cultural heritage for future generations."

Hillary's schedule takes her to 4 nations in 4 days, with an itinerary, obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT, that runs 16 printed pages!

The First Lady will be in non-stop motion from the moment her plane touches down shortly after midnight on Tuesday at the Okecie Airport in Warsaw, Poland.

[The First Lady will be in Warsaw, Poland October 5; in Bratislava on Oct. 6; in Florence, Italy, on Oct. 7; and in Reykjavik, Iceland, from Oct. 8-10.]

Day #1, Mrs. Clinton will have an audience with the President and Prime Minister of Poland; later, and she will deliver a "major address on encouraging the development of civil society and democracy."

Press secretary Marsha Berry continues, "The First Lady will visit a newly established school to serve Polish Jewish children, and participate in a roundtable discussion with small business owners at a local textile factory to highlight the economic empowerment of women and microenterprise development...

But it's the high cost of this week's trip that has become a point of concern for Hillary enthusiasts.

The escalating costs of protecting the First Lady and her staff while they are abroad has pushed the price tag of these adventures through the millions.

One State Department source estimates that the total cost to U.S. taxpayers for this week's trip will reach $3 to $7 million.

The White House refuses to reveal exact costs, citing security concerns.

The First Lady will travel on her own plane, an Air Force Boeing 707, and will bring along her own press aides and other staffers.

Staff members have been sent in advance to make arrangements for events.

The highlight of the trip could come in Florence, when the First Lady will address the "Conference on Financing, Resources, and the Economics of Cultural and Sustainable Development," sponsored by the World Bank.

[To ease the burden on the U.S. Treasury, could someone at least get the World Bank to comp the rooms?]

How many antelope die each day from predators, disease, and starvation!!! SOMETHING should be done. Death to all predators � Death to all people that do not do something to stop antelopes from dying of disease and hunger � KILL THEM ALL, except for the furry little animals of course � unless they are lions �cuse they are furry but they kill antelopes so they MUST DIE!!!!!!! Kill EVERYTHING and I will be happy with my beanie babies.

The Foreign Office is trying to prevent Tony Blair following his instinct to endorse publicly US vice president Al Gore's presidential campaign.

According to senior UK officials, the prime minister is keen to support Mr Gore to maintain the close ties between the US Democrats and the Labour party.

Diplomats are pressing for a more even-handed approach, especially since the current favourite in the race for the White House is George Bush Jnr, the Republican challenger and Texas governor.

"We cannot repeat the mistake Major made with Clinton," said an official, referring to the frosty relations between John Major and President Bill Clinton, after Mr Major appeared to be too close to George Bush in the 1992 presidential campaign.

"If Blair backs Gore and Bush (Jnr) wins, it would be a disaster," said another. "But the more Gore appears to be in trouble, the more the prime minister seems to want to help him."

� A Dallas lawyer who alleges she had a lengthy sexual affair with President Clinton said Monday night that she heard Clinton repeatedly refer to a Little Rock black leader as a "G - d-d - - n - - - - r."

Dolly Kyle Browning made the charge to Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" in response to the account of Arkansas State Trooper Larry Patterson, who says he also heard Clinton used the "N" word to refer to the same black leader, Robert "Say" McIntosh.

Patterson, who was Clinton's bodyguard from 1986 to 1992, first revealed the President's tendency to use anti-black invective in an exclusive interview last month with NewsMax.com's executive editor, Christopher Ruddy.

Browning made her charge after host Sean Hannity introduced a video clip from Friday's "Hannity & Colmes" broadcast, where Trooper Patterson covered the allegation for the first time on national television

Gee,I guess there's a lot of use of that ugly racial slur When the name "Craig Livingstone" first came to national attention,I remember having read that he had once had a traffic accident with a black man.Craig, among other things,called this black man a n****er.

What Craig obviously didn't know that the black man in question was one Floyd Flake...a democrat Congressman from the State of NY.

As Queen, I see fit to self-impose a status of "black-balled" from communication with me upon all those who vilify Maude and all things maudlin.

I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN, WHAT'S HER NAME! BUT I INTEND TO NOW THAT HILLARY'S GONE!

UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- The United States must pay $550 million of the $1.7 billion it owes in back dues to the United Nations by the end of 1999 to avoid losing its vote in the General Assembly, a senior U.N. official said Tuesday.

Of that amount, $200 million has already been appropriated by Congress but not received yet by the United Nations. The U.N. undersecretary for management, Joseph Connor, said legislation is needed to approve the additional $350 million in arrears in addition to actually sending the $200 million already approved.

"There's no check in the mail because there's no law on the books," Connor said. "We are running a global organization without the predictable support of its members."

The U.S. share of the amount of money owed by U.N. members amounts to about 65 percent of the U.N. budget.

Some members of Congress, led by Rep. Chris Smith (R-New Jersey), want to include restrictive language on aid to private family planning organizations in any bill authorizing payment of the back dues.

Of all the U.N. operations, the budget shortfall has most acutely affected peacekeeping operations. The United Nations had allotted $900 million for peacekeeping in 1999, but it had to reduce that amount to $650 million when members did not come up with adequate funds for the missions.

"While new missions mean increased peacekeeping activity, they don't necessarily translate into higher levels of cash," Connor said.

Earlier, Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the U.N. budget committee that with $2.15 billion in total unpaid dues by member states, "We cannot rationally manage the United Nations."

"This is an unacceptable burden on countries, often developing nations," that have contributed to peacekeeping operations around the world, Annan said.

Message: your whining about pigs and antelopes while decrying about the right to rip a fetus out of the womb at will is odd and contradictory.I just find it odd that someones brain doesn't consider a fetus the same way they consider a antelope. If you have already eaten breakfast, look at this DISGUSTING PICTURE and tell me this torture is the equivalent of removing an unborn, undeveloped mass of tissue from the womb. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON!!

Perhaps the mental block that prevents you from realizing the difference is your "human superiority complex." "How terrible it is to remove fetal tissue and snuff out the life of one animal, and how less than terrible it is to do what was done to another fully developed, born and feeling animal" - like what we see in this picture. This attitude is the paragon of SELFISH.

Message: Human Superiority Complex is exactly what I have. Don't blame me, blame God. Someone musta put a worldwide hoodoo on your brain because you think like an ignorant animal. Dr. Doolittle ain't real just like amos and andy ain't real. humans have been eating and wearing animals since they learned to club them to death. Got a problem with that? Sometimes a bear or a shark turns the tables. so freakin what. Are you in the fetal tissue business? you get hungry enough and you'll eat me. you'd even eat maude donner.

Message: Human Superiority Complex is exactly what I have. Don't blame me, blame God. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. humans have been eating and wearing animals since they learned to club them to death. Got a problem with that?

Humans have been murdering each other since they learned how and even after there were laws created against it. Got a problem with that? Blame God. If God is responsible for the miracles, he's got to be responsible for the suffering. He is the "alpha" and the "omega," right Pat? Anyway, Mags, since you think abortion is murder, you should have no problem with it. According to your logic and my calculations, I'd say your believe murder is God's way of saying humans are superior. What a strange world we live in! Dr. Doolittle ain't real just like amos and andy ain't real. Next time you talk to God, get his opinion on the matter.

Message: you still insist on experiencing and living life from a norman lear sitcom. you poor innocent uninformed child. abortion is murder-just like when abel killed cain-it was murder too. look up "fetal tissue" on your search engine and find me a spinal cord. they are there-undeveloped piece of tissue my ass. you madam should go to a cooking class so that you may fullfill your true roll as a woman. I doubt you can follow a recipe though.

Message: WASHINGTON (AP) - Attorney General Janet Reno, the daughter of two journalists, chided reporters Thursday for stories suggesting she and FBI Director Louis J. Freeh have serious disagreements.Read full story

Message: I just recieved a message from God and he said not to beat me over the head with the rib I gave up so that you may exist.

TORONTO The ruckus over the Brooklyn Museum of Art exhibit is not the only art controversy dogging first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton.

A towering bronze sculpture outside a new U.S. Embassy in Canada's capital, which she dedicated last week, has been compared by Ottawa's leading newspaper to the "hideous blasphemies" of the Brooklyn show.

And now the embassy itself -- which President Clinton will inaugurate on Friday -- has also come under fire from newspapers and citizens who fear the glass-fronted building will be a target for terrorists and a menace to its neighbors. -- Continued from Front Page --

There is nothing actually obscene about Joel Shapiro's abstract sculpture, "Conjunction." It is just that many Canadians don't know what to make of the eight-piece collection of flying girders.

Like it or not, it is inescapable. The sculpture, located in the center of the city across from the stately Parliament building, is visible anywhere within a four-mile radius.

Mrs. Clinton dedicated the sculpture on Thursday, saying, "I hope that those who walk by it or view it out a window . . . or have any occasion to chance upon it will perhaps just spend a minute or two thinking about the importance of art in our lives."

She may have considered the occasion a respite from the political fight over an art show in New York, where she hopes to run for a Senate seat. Mrs. Clinton supports municipal funding for the Brooklyn show, while her likely senatorial opponent, New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, does not.

But in an editorial that declared "Conjunction" to be "ugly," the Ottawa Citizen compared it to items in the Brooklyn show, which includes an elephant-dung-encrusted painting of the Virgin Mary, a rendering of the Last Supper with a naked woman presiding, and half a pig suspended in formaldehyde, among other things.

To Karen Spierkel, a spokeswoman for Canada's National Gallery, whose glass-facade tower sits across from the new U.S. mission, "Conjunction" is "stunning and beautiful."

Mrs. Spierkel described the sculpture as "the most significant piece" of public art to grace the city in decades, and a reflection of the many cultural, political and economic ties between the two countries.

"I'm a Johnny Q. Six-pack. I'm not an art historian. I'm just an average Joe, and I like it. I know there are other average Joes out there who don't like it, but that's why we have art -- to react to it," she said.

Aside from Mr. Shapiro's work, the architecture of the embassy itself has provoked its share of tongue-wagging. As the first new mission built in Ottawa since the French inaugurated theirs in 1938, the U.S. Embassy tries hard to be a good architectural neighbor.

In design, it acts like a Canadian constitutional compromise, blending elements of all its surroundings. A faux dome caps the fortresslike building in a stylistic salute to the rounded spires of the neo-Gothic Parliamentary Library and the National Gallery.

Its low-slung, wide girth is meant as a bow to Ottawa's historic district, while a lighthouse evoking Parliament's Peace Flame will act as a beacon during ceremonial parades.

Despite the efforts to fit into the neighborhood, the Canadian media generally sneered.

"There goes the neighborhood," sniffed the Toronto Globe and Mail in an article that suggested that those in glass houses, such as the nearby National Gallery, shouldn't live a stone's throw -- or bomb blast -- away from the U.S. mission.

Since the end of the Vietnam War, more U.S. foreign officers have been killed than have American soldiers. As a result, some Ottawa residents have asked whether their glass structures should be coated with bombproof plastic.

America has had a mission in Canada since 1827, 40 years before Canada attained nationhood in 1867. As Canada gained independence in foreign affairs from Britain, it opened its first embassy in Washington in 1927.

Canada's new embassy, on Pennsylvania Avenue between the Capitol Building and National Gallery, opened in 1989 and now is considered an architectural landmark. But it too was at first greeted with some discomfort.

The New York Times described the building when it opened as "grandly ambitious [but] oddly vapid."

"The embassy has some spectacular elements to it, but none of them quite fit, and it adds up to much less than the sum of its parts," the newspaper said in July 1989.

GRESHAM, Ore. (APBnews.com) -- Radio talk shows in the Portland area were buzzing this morning about the news that a local woman who fired a warning shot into the air as several men were trying to steal her 1967 Mustang was charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm.

"I understand we're being accused of being mean and awful," Gresham police Lt. Carla Piluso said today. "But you need to know that [the thieves] weren't posing any physical threat."

The story began Monday just before midnight when Kassandra Bossert's son awoke to strange noises coming from outside their Gresham home. A police report says those noises sounded like someone trying to start -- or hot-wire -- a car. When Bossert looked out the window to investigate, she and her family members saw several suspects pushing their classic car down the street.

Its engine was not running, but the thieves may have been trying to roll the car to where it could be started.

According to police, Bossert told her husband to get a gun and fire on the suspects. But the husband refused. During this time, the Bosserts' son was calling 911, and police were coming to the scene.

"The husband said, 'I'm not going to shoot anybody over stealing a car,'" Piluso said.

As police were arriving on the scene, however, Bossert allegedly decided to fire a warning shot. According to police, she pointed a handgun out the window and shot in the air in a westerly direction.

"The concern from a law enforcement standpoint is that you have to be accountable for where the bullets are flying," Piluso said. "We're not talking out in the country. We're talking in a populated area."

Ironically, Piluso said, police cannot rule out the possibility that Bossert's warning shot scared off the thieves. When police arrived on the scene minutes after the 911 call, they found the abandoned car just a block away from the Bossert's Southwest Mawcrest home. Police sent a K-9 unit to the scene to track the suspects, but they were not found, Piluso said.

Cops were also on the scene when a dispatcher told them that other residents in the area were reporting gunshots had been fired.

The maximum penalty Bossert faces for unlawful discharge of a firearm -- a class B misdemeanor -- is a $2,000 fine or six months in jail.

Message: Mrs. Clinton: I a have a message for you and President Clinton. I have a solution to the gun control debates. The answer is Jesus. What the world needs to get back to God. Gun control will not make America safer. What we need to do is get back to God. Guns do not kill people. People kill people and the only way for it to stop is when we all turn our lives over to God. I am a Christian and if the whole country were there would not be any problems. You can say that Christianity is not the only way to be but I say it is. That is our problem. We are living in a Godless nation and our children are paying and suffering for it. Thank you.

Message: According to police, she pointed a handgun out the window and shot in the air in a westerly direction. "The concern from a law enforcement standpoint is that you have to be accountable for where the bullets are flying," Piluso said. "We're not talking out in the country. We're talking in a populated area." Before conservative posters prostrate themselves and wail: "But we have the right to bear arms...2nd ammendment!" remember: she could have legally fired this warning shot had she lived out in the country. Even then, however, she would have had to have been a safe distance from other houses and residents. Bullets can rickochet (sp?).

Message: they didn't get the car though-cause she scared the bejeezus out of them. good for her. I wish she lived in my neighborhood.

Message: they didn't get the car though-cause she scared the bejeezus out of them. good for her. I wish she lived in my neighborhood. This brings up an interesting point...I've often wondered where conservatives really stand on the issues of gun ownership and responsibility.

Conservatives on this list often promulgate their right to bear arms. When Columbine exploded on the scene, government blamed the gun; conservatives blamed the individual.

And yet most any conservative will be the first group to tout the "family" as "sacrosanct" and "ideal." They urge a 2 parent household, with a mother and father, and incessantly seem to cling to Ozzie and Harriet fantasies that are unrealistic for the times. They blame the lack of the 2 parent, mother/father, household for the violence being perpetrate as if to say, "It's not the guns, it's the omission of the family."

So if a young latch-key child with a single parent commits a crime, it's not the indivdiual's fault - it's the lack of the family. So that really isn't blaming the individual, is it? If it's not the gun, and it's not the individual, then it must be the family. They use one argument to keep their guns, and another argument to shove their religion (and all that entails) down everyone's throat. They've got each corner covered to get what they want.

And conservatives call Hillary Clinton a liar for blaming her husband's philanderings on his parent and grandparent. Hey, but isn't it all about the family?

Message: Miz Clinton has got it pretty sweet this week with the government paying for her expensive publicity junket, and her stooges in the media giving her lots of free TV spots and press stories. They certainly take her dumbed down and tricked up propaganda at face value and that's worth a lot of money for an aspirant candidate . She doesn't seem to be doing anything for her friend Algore whose campaign help actually did quite a bit to get her in a position where she gets free air travel, lodging, and media exposure -- I guess share the wealth is not a concept she's comforatble with. It will be interesting to see if the media follows up on her photo-op partners to see if "the economic empowerment of women" does anything for employees or to see if she has any more constructive purpose, besides pushing big-ticket government social intervention programs, in using children as photo props. Miz Clinton is very fortunate to have such complicit and obeisant lacleys as the US government and the media establishment as her lackeys.

Who benefits from this medicine show in which never a questioning word is heard? Not the taxpayer, not the children, not the women, not the new audiences -- this free ride only benefits the scammers who can glom on to her largesse. I hear that she wants to make a lot of contact with NGO's this time, but I suspect that it will only be those NGO's who are in the government's pocket. Similarly, it has to be asked what is behind her sudden interest in democracy and whether she would push for democratic participation when it expresses a popular will opposed to her agenda. Remember her first pick for an appointive nominee -- Lani Guinier, whose super-majoritan schemes were designed to specifically obstruct democratic processes. Most politicians Are cheesy but some are real cheese; from some amorphous, generic, semi-organic corn derived, preservative and poymer laden artificially flavored and colored sludge, Miz Clinton is extruded, shaped, wrapped, and marketed as though she were the real cheese.

But even with the nice digital cameras and adoring word-pictures of her media accomplices, it is obvious that she is about as real as the cheese in your average arena nachos and for sure even less palatable or, save us, digestable.

Message: wow-the rantings are incoherent. could you be a little clearer? you sound confused-there was never a sitcom episode about it. I wouldn't want to shove anything down your throat-even if you wanted me to. seems as if your beloved hillary and billy bob try shoving their socialist crap down everyones throat. don't forget that the liberals religion is government and they constantly sove it down our throats. I can see that your are a believer.

At the same time as China�s second largest telecommunications provider is dumping its foreign investors, President Jiang Zemin is attempting to attract further foreign capital. While the motivations for these two apparently contradictory actions remain unclear, they indicate a new Chinese emphasis on investment on its own terms.

On Aug. 30, the Chinese government ordered Unicom to buy out its foreign partners, which include giants such as Sprint, Bell Canada and France Telecom. It is estimated that over $1.4 billion in foreign capital had been invested in Unicom, and the company is now embroiled in negotiations over details of the buyout. The order is based on a year-old decision by the Ministry of Information Industries that such ventures, called China-China Foreign (CCF) partnerships, were "improper" in the telecommunications industry.

While the telecom decision was taking place, President Jiang Zemin presided over the Fortune Global Forum in Shanghai Sept. 27-29. Potential foreign investors were wooed with promises of current and future reform efforts that would enhance the investment environment, such as reduced taxes and simplified investment approvals. Sectors such as banking, retail and wholesale sales, insurance, and yes, even telecommunications, were held up as sectors that would be increasingly open to foreign capital.

This apparently schizophrenic disparity is puzzling. China is sending out increasingly mixed signals as to its intentions regarding foreign investment. This confusion could be either the result of struggles between factions within the Chinese government or an elaborate strategy to encourage foreign capital while maintaining control of its industries. Either way, China benefits.

There is no doubt that Chinese opinions differ on the value of foreign investment and reform versus the necessity of internal control. The past few months have seen a shift to the conservative side as China has emphasized the state-owned sector and the World Trade Organization (WTO) talks with the United States have floundered.

Information Industry Minister Wu Jichuan, whose department presided over the original telecom ruling last year, is a noted conservative. One possibility is that the decision to enforce that ruling is due to a confluence of interest between the military, which desires the reclamation of a strategic industry, and conservatives, who wish to run all media of communication as a means of social control.

Within this scenario, other elements could still be attempting to continue the flow of outside funds. While Jiang is nowhere near as liberal as reform figures like Prime Minister Zhu Rongji, he knows his country needs foreign capital. While the struggle between reformers and conservatives is real enough, it is unclear how much control Jiang has over the two groups, raising the question of who is controlling whom.

At the other extreme, what appears to be "struggle" could actually be orchestrated � or at least emphasized � to allow China to break contracts, restrict industries and clamp down on sectors at any time, then reverse itself and attract more investment at the drop of a hat. Western investors are all too ready to write off inconsistency as a result of the swings between two "competing camps." The lure of a billion potential customers is enough to keep foreign companies interested in China, despite unpredictably shifting attitudes.

The reality is most likely somewhere between the two scenarios. Different factions have different interests and make alliances according to those interests. Jiang has a great deal of influence but is not all-powerful. Either way, this ideological free-for-all makes for a convenient bargaining tool.

Both scenarios are consistent with a continuing trend of emphasis on stability, centralization of power and resources, and the emergence of state-owned enterprises. The reform enthusiasts had their day, and it appears to be drawing to a close. The telecom deal was a great boon, as foreign investors provided the physical infrastructure at little cost to China. The Unicom buyout was a loud, clear signal that if investment continues, it will be on China�s terms � and to China�s benefit.

Message: that's why your the best!! if hillary is cheese, she's limburger or bleu-something with the odor of mold

Message: What a fabulous Art soiree! After watching a fabulous television rerun because we had nothing better to do, we got to go see "Sensations" and we were so happy to go and stand in line which was of course the principle of the whole thing, Some parts, well, we paid more attention to than others, but it was a fabulous principle and we don't like the mayor anyway since he took our fun away. The only thing that would have been even more fabulous and which would have made evn more important a statement about the important principle would have been to have the exhibit at the UNited Nations, because those English, well they just wrote the book on showing offr fabulous art, and aren't the British in the United Nations, too, well they ought to be, they just about invented the whole thing anyway, they know all about fabulous art. It's so multi-cultural like the African thing, I simply must agree with that artist, "elephant dung is a very beautiful material", do you think Tommy could make us a lamp, no, a Sofa!, out of elephant dung? Well, the fabulous multicultural elephant dung helped show that you can fight censorship and promote multiculturalism and have a lot of strange people stand in line together for hours for the principle of censorship , because if you just give these principled fabulous, multicultural, important artists a lot of government money, maybe they won't look down their noses at his country and make us think we are against art. Actually, they will keep looking down their noses and being snide after hey get their fabulous government payoff, but they won't be so grouchy and might even show us how they actually, you know, "do it" with the elphant dung and formaldehyde. But they simply must do it at the United Nations next time, because they at the UN love important principles,they love standing in line and do so much to promote that around the world, they simply love multi-culturalism especially when it doesn't look any different or looks like crap, and they just have this thing about how important and fabulous US governemnt money is. Maybe Hillary could set it up because we know that she doesn't like the mayor or brooklyn much either.

MOSCOW (AP) � The Russian government plans to change its policy toward the news media and stifle "aggression'' by the press, the head of the country's recently established media ministry said Wednesday.

With parliamentary and presidential elections looming, Russian liberals have been worried that the government would curb media freedom. The worries grew this summer after the creation of the ministry to oversee the press.

"The information policy of the state as regards the mass media should be changed,'' Media Minister Mikhail Lesin said Wednesday, according to the ITAR-Tass news agency. "There is much aggression in the activities of the mass media now. This is the result of ill-considered policy toward the mass media.''

President Boris Yeltsin, who established the ministry, has been a firm supporter of media freedom in the past. But he hasn't commented on the work of the new ministry, despite appeals to him by prominent journalists.

Russian news media tend to be owned by powerful business leaders who have a strong interest in gaining political influence. The Kremlin has an equally strong interest in seeing that some of these forces do not gain power in the new elections, and in bolstering others more favorable to the presidential entourage.

News media have been publishing accusations against their owners' political foes, and Lesin's reference to "aggression'' appeared to refer to the Kremlin being exposed to the mudslinging.

He didn't specify what the new policy would be, but indicated there were too many media outlets. He invited a meeting of regional governors to "set the ball rolling'' on dealing with the problem.

Since it was formed in July, the new ministry � formally called the Ministry for Press, Broadcast and Mass Media � has made ominous statements about the need to protect the state from the press.

Last month, the ministry suspended the license of a major television network for its critical coverage of a political group. The St. Petersburg Television and Radio Company was allowed to go back on the air the next day, after it apologized and promised to avoid future "violations'' of government media rules.

When the government develops a new policy on the media, it will be sent to parliament to be possibly codified in new laws, Lesin said, without further elaboration.

Message: What's this?? Indian Mike doing his faaaaaabulous impression of the Queen of England? Simply devine, sweeties! Why, if I had known I was going to be treated with this most absolutely resplendid rendition of a snob's perspective, I would have cancelled my 1 o'clock colonic irrigation. Damn! I just loathe catching posts after others have read them! Second hand posts are like....well,,.wire hangers, and they totally besmirch a Valentino creation, daaaahhhhling.

The Christian Coalition, a most anti-Christian group of racists, bigots, homophobes, and all around human pieces of living shit are holding their annual meeting to jerk each other off and to pay homage to their leader the repugnant CON ARTIST, Pat ( I have diamonds for sale) Robertson.

Robertson, looking very old, almost like a person in the last days of aids, much like Robert Bork, address his audience of living shit heads proclaiming that the democrates have lost the moral authority to lead. Pat forgot that he himself has lost all moral authority to lead due to his numerous cons and scams that he has fostered over the years, thanks to his loyal moronic supporters--the SCUM of white, racist, bigoted, Christian America.

Also at this meeting of religious nuts, woman abusers, child molesters and other such ilk were the U. S. Senate leader, Trent the racist Lott and a host of psuedo U. S. Presidential hopefuls all eager to take the stage so they could spread their rather well used political assholes and take in enormous amounts of Christian coalition sperm- howling in delight at every shot of bigoted political sperm that they received. And, of course, they repaid the sexually repressed Christian Coalition audience by talking very dirty to them, telling the collection of mostly middle to senior age white men and woman exactly what they wanted to hear. What a love feast of sexual perverts, morons, bigots, hate mongers, homophobes, and anti-christians.

Also attending were lesser right-wing political scum-suckers such as America's greatest traitor: So-called Colonel, Oliver North.

However, like I said, the best thing for me was to see Pat who really looks like he is aging very fast. He is probably at that stage of life where his greatest daily acomplishment is a bowel movement without chemical ai

Message: Are you calling me the lowest form of life on earth? Do you think I am a pig that has spent my life hawking Christ for my own gain? Do you think I have set up my good for nothing capitalist pig son, in a number of businesses, all with Christ seed money, of course? I just wonder why the fools actually give to the whore I mean me. But maybe God has the answer.

Please forgive that bit of introspective digression. Now, what size karat were you looking for?

Message: i was afraid the 'arthur beatrice' piece would be too much for the devine 'beatrice bernie-dawn arthur' to even contemplate. you see what damage art can do, its just a bad influence, its almost as bad as those trendy old norman lear sitcoms!

Message: Well, I've enjoyed the banter as always, but I've got to go for now. I sincerely wish everyone a happy evening. Sit back, take a load off, watch some reruns. Contemplate Al Gore, the paragon of selfish.

Message: I just can't appreciate Pat Robertson; he is as damaging a poster-child for the right as Hillary is for the left, and about as indefensible. I don't know what he did to get back in the news but I wish he hadn't done it, whatever it is. Why can't they give us a little update instead on, Dom Da Dom Dom, Garner Ted Armstrong, Jr. Now that Armstrong gang were out there; I used to like to hear 'The World Tomorrow" ( especially the old style radio spots sponsored by HLHunt's HLH foods -- they made the Ed's fave dart-target, Paul Harvey, sound like a cross between Larry KIng, Geraldo, and Rosie O.D.!)

All I want to do just right now is to push my luck by recommending some new audio treasures ( most all reissues)I have glommed onto: Robert Johnson: KIng of the Delta Blues Singers, in one disc, inexpensive format, on Columbia/Sony Legacy, as is Leadbelly:King of the 12-string guitar, also on Columbia, Blind Willie Johnson, cheap two-disc set, hadn't heard it yet,(also what about Blind Willie McTell --and I don't mean the Prez- any reviews?), also Aristocrat of the Blues (Chess) a two disc set of early work by the Mud, Sunnyland Slim, etc. for the label that was the progenitor of Chess, the light of Chicago ( and subtle but positive influence on the existence of this forum's namesake), Milt Jackson:Sunflower, know anything about this?, and most little known ( kids, never, never major in English), "Lots More Blues, Rags, and Hollers " by Koerner, Ray, and Glover, 1963, reissued with extras, and boy this is great, I finally found this and other K, R,&G legendary wonders (including a 96 reunion with raving-fave notes by Dylan and Raitt) at the Tower and Virgin stores -- very mightily entertaining, real deal, fun, cool, true to their roots, one of the best live acosutic white boy blues records ever on the order of the 'Turning Point' by Mayall or 'Hot Tuna', the first one.

Apologies to our friend "B" aka ?, who likes the seventies tv shows, because this line of discussion may be as abhorrent to her sensibilities as that $&^@* show is to some of us. Also, I wondered if HRC could please get Brittany Spears to be her stand-in from now on, it would be better for society as a whole, because Brittany has a strong message and Society needs to hear Her.

It seems like the Fondas have been cultivated and preserved as a socialist media reesource for over half a century, they're the closest species Hollywood has to Kennedys

Message: so brittany already has another job as forum editor, bring HRC back anyway, and roate between alannis, tori, and liz phair for international US goodwill spokesperson!

Message: Hitler was a vegetarian but he didn't take no shit from anybody,either, and he loved animals.

Message: Pat Robertson is a fool. Watched his program 10years ago and he had some self ordained economy expert saying the DOW would never reach 3000-hahahaha. Scare tactics are closer to the liberal way than conservative. Latter day presbyterian mystic-very pict like. His old man was a big wig senator too. Virginia Beach is a strange place with all the jesus nuts and swabbies. A bar, porno store, massage parlor and a church on every street(at least it used to be that way) he should stick to scammin old people out of their money as I don't think it'll fly for the general public. Pat Buchanan has been slandered lately for his book-another tidewater son of Scottish extraction.

Message: I too am a card-carrying presbyterian mystic,a renegade calvinist pict, and although many of my teachers and elders got pretty scary they were not as bad as Pat; I remember some of his brood from Chattanooga and some of them, whew, they almost make one think there is some merit to the reactionary tag 'far-right christian' slung with such disdain by fascist-syncophants like michael moore. Hey, John Milton's ghost, want to read my version of'Paradise Lost'... I'm just glad to have my cherokee, swamp-dweller, and cro-magnon blood, and to have spent more time off the pew and out in the woods. Just because God is real and the religion started off okay doesn't mean humans can't come along and screw anything up. Take those little "Darwin" (lungfish with sneakers) bumper-stickers -- next to 'rainbow pride' stickers, those have to be the most bucket-headed, sub-myopic visions of human potential yet,. Now if we could just get all those people with Pat's people together in the Mojave desrt, the rest of the country might could get something done. The smirk of the secular is its own punitive fate

Wake up people - Pat Robertson is in no way connected to the Republican Party except he may be registered Republican.

Yes, I was there for the coin toss. It was "heads" Democrats, "tails" Republicans. Pat lost.

Message: Is "bridge of sighs" the band or album title? Is it also Procol inspired? I will keep mine eyes pealed for its release.

magpie may have been off-line this aft., after his discussion of paul butterfiel the other day, I thought that the koerner, ray, & glover mention migt draw a response --oh well, I am going to score all their records i hope this week and will get back on that topic, along with, I promise,a long essay about Tampa Red, and his legacy as a world leader. Anyway, you are both right in disclaiming PR as a real republican or real anything. TO THE HRC-PHILES< A sTORY IN MON> OCT 4 NYT, (p.A25)ANALYZES HRC SENATE CAMPOAIGN ACTIVITY AND KINDA SHOWS THE DEMO PARTY WONDERING IF SHE"S GONNA START PLAYING ANYTIME SOON OR LIKE WHAT IS SHE DOING?

Yes, I was there for the coin toss. It was "heads" Democrats, "tails" Republicans. Pat lost.

I guess you are trying to be witty - but it makes no sense to me. Dawn you are the only person I have ever seen that Cyber-stutters. Does the above statement make sense to anybody else?

"Bridge of Sighs" is the band name (release is yet to be titled) It was inspired by the Robin Trower album and song (post Procol Harum). Our Guitarist is a big fan of Robin and has met him a couple of times. BTW our guirtarist is one of the most amazing guitarists I have seen - a real master.

Message: Dawn keeps posting that stupid statement about GW Bush and drug use.
You are a liar. Dawn is not even interested in that topic anymore. She did not post that picture. (I know Dawn personally so I can speak for her.) She would never give you an excuse to repeat yourself with the same defense over and over on the Bush cocaine issue.

it is OK to kill a human baby (even by sucking it�s brains out moments before birth) but it is bad to kill animals to eat or to make clothing.
You are lying again. I never stated that I approve of abortion "moments before birth." As for animals, you're hardly original in your line of logic. If parents wouldn't feed their children meat and get them hooked, we might be eating more healthy foods as a nation instead of becoming increasingly obese and dying of heart diease

Dawn is not even interested in that topic anymore. She did not post that picture. (I know Dawn personally so I can speak for her.) She would never give you an excuse to repeat yourself with the same defense over and over on the Bush cocaine issue.

I will on repeat the defense when you make the silly accusation. Dawn, can't you figure out how to post without cyber-stuttering - once is enough with your messages.

Really � can you prove this statement � from what I remember you have never opposed any form of abortion and you even believe that making a law that says someone can be charged for the murder of a baby if they kill a pregnant women (including moments before birth) is an insidious plot to deny a women right to kill a human life. Sorry, your actions speak louder than you neo-words � you have never meant an abortion or baby death that you did not like or defend (at least from my memory). Is this is your way of turning over a new leaf and changing your mind? NOTE: I find that the people that throw the term �liar� around � willy nilly � usually have serious problems with the truth.

If parents wouldn't feed their children meat and get them hooked, we might be eating more healthy foods as a nation instead of becoming increasingly obese and dying of heart diease

Man ate meat from the beginning � this is proven by archaeology � this statement is fantasyland lunacy. India is a very vegetarian nation � guess what, they are not healthier. Vegetarians have to supplement their diets or they will suffer from deficiencies � that tells it all. I also find it funny when vegetarians try to simulate meat �what is that all about. Sorry, studies show that vegetarians ARE NOT healthier and some believe a vegetarian lifestyle is LESS HEATHY. Moderation is the problem, not meat � American�s have problems with moderation in MANY different categories. But, I don�t want to get a frail vegetarian work up that could be fatal.

Message: just got home from work and i'm not familiar with koerner-ray-glover. were the a white boy chi town blues band ala butterfield? I think koerner may have been a keyboard dude as i think i've seen his name as a session player on other peoples stuff.

the other pat has been dogged unfairly re his book. you know anti-semite/isolationist etc. I read the book and got the impression that he thinks the way britain/us/france fooled with germany in a unfair way that had much to do with the advent of facism/stalinism. His anti-semite name came from his defense of John Demanyuk(the auto worker from cleveland who was accused of being a concentration camp guard) pat thought his rights as an american citizen were being trampled on. anyway-he was extridited to israel and aquitted by the isreali supreme court to prove pat right. Hell I'm for the palistinians. the Middle east is a good example of leftist idiots trying to impose their will and not giving a crap about sovreinty(sp?) Balfour et al, while I'm sure in their little benevolent, leftist, guilty minds-thought they were doing good, created a nightmare. Shit-Britain and Germany are still fighting for total control of Europe, only now their in a union. Blair is as vain as Clinton.

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GORE'S NEW CAMPAIGN MANAGER WAS FIRED BY DUKAKIS FOR BUSH BASHING!

Will she do to the son, what she did to the father?

That is the question Bush campaign officials were asking on Wednesday after Vice President Al Gore named Donna Brazile his new campaign manager for race 2000.

"Wear your boots!" one W. Bush official said after Gore's announcement. "She's back!"

Why are Bush: Next Generation suporters reacting so strongly to the Gore announcement?

As a top campaign aide to Michael Dukakis during his run, Brazile hit total controversy when she fed reporters rumors linking [then vice president] George Bush with another woman!

In 1988, Brazile told reporters during a bus trip to New York that Bush "owes it to the American people to fess up."

"The American people have every right to know if Barbara Bush will share that bed with him in the White House," Gore's new campaign manager, Brazile, charged during the final weeks of Campaign '88, Dukakis vs. Bush.

More Brazile: "Is George going to the White House with somebody other than Barbara? It's important, we're not just voting for a man. We're voting for a family. The first family is very important."

Brazile added: "Hey, I'm talking about George Bush and somebody with the initials J.F. or whatever the names are."

Brazile was immediately fired for her media outburst.

Dukakis '88 campaign manager Susan Estrich gave Brazile her walking papers.

"I love Donna, but we had a rule in our campaign that no one was supposed to attack our opponents personally," Estrich said last week on FOX NEWS CHANNEL's DRUDGE.

"That was the rule in the campaign... I sat down with her, I said, 'Donna, why?' She said it just like jumped out, the words just sort of escaped from her lips... But, you know, the dirty tricks campaign in 1988 was run by the Bush campaign. We were the naive, little innocents who were firing people for making comments that would have, you know, in the Bush campaign, gotten them, you know, gold stars."

Let the 2000 games begin!

Message: Donna is back-Willie Horton too. Gore has a problem with chick voters and that why his campaign is going south and pandering to the volvo/minivan soccer mom vote. i think tipper is a babe. i'd trot her out in something tight fitting-then the chicks would know he's a stud-how come there ain't a tipper website?

Message: Babe ala lemon looks better than the skinny veal I ate. is it a luau thing?give me the poi and a grog and you got some good eatin'. maybe maude can show up and do a little dancin in a grass skirt-i like tall babes. hula maude. forget it-she'd have too many mai tais and want to shit in betty whites dressing room. that would be a real pig pickin.

Message: I was dissapointed with the tipper website-not even a tight sweater-and robot man was with her in almost every picture-lose the kids, loose doofus-and put on something tight-and you got a moneymaker that should be shaked. bradley and ernestine wouldn't have a chance. little advise al-debate him but don't go one on one.

Message:
I hear that invitations are in the mail for a Hillary Rodham Clinton ``birthday celebration'' that is expected to raise at least $1 million for her Senate campaign.

Those who raise at least $10,000 for the event get to join Mrs. Clinton at a private reception before the show. Those who raise at least $25,000 will join her afterward for dinner at the Russian Tea Room.

Message: Saw the picture-if it's wednesday it must be Slovakia..Are you sure that ain't Dallas? That dude looks alot like jerry jones. the cowgirls are 3-0.

Message: billy bob be from arkansas-the real melting pot that is rocknroll right across the river from memphis. Where showtune from the riverboats, jazz from newoleaans, blues from the delta, and shitkicking music from the hills merged.we could get into the celtic and african debate, but who cares? we got it and it's the best thing that US have-besides the people. louis jordan is the man. calidonia-why did you give us the neo-calvinist pat robertson? if calvin had satellites-watch out. am i sounding like levon helm? robbie robertson is cool. pat robertson ain't

I should be dead. That's what doctors recently told me after completing extensive medical tests at the University of Southern California's School of Medicine. According to Dr. Vincent DeQuattro, a USC professor and world authority on adrenal cancer, my blood shows lethal levels of adrenaline. That's really not surprising, since everyone who has ever had my disease has died within a few years. Except for me. Thanks to medical marijuana, I'm now entering my 23rd year of survival, something DeQuattro considers a "medical miracle."

Dr. DeQuattro even wrote a letter advising that I could suffer a heart attack or stroke if deprived of marijuana and that no other form of therapy is available.

Unfortunately, none of this seems to matter in Placer County, Calif., where 20 armed officers from four different agencies stormed our Squaw Valley home four months ago. Armed with laser guided automatic weapons, body armor and a battering ram, a SWAT team blocked off our street, raided our home and confiscated almost everything of value we own.

Besides taking my plants, gardening equipment and medicine, they seized all of our electronic publishing equipment. That action effectively killed our on-line magazine, Alpine World, which had been rated as the 25th top electronic magazine in the world. This raid destroyed our primary source of income, forcing us out of our home and into bankruptcy.

All of these officers believed that medical marijuana is a hoax and that we deserved to be destroyed. None of the officers had read or been briefed on the new medical marijuana law.

The Task Force confiscated our passports and social security cards. They stole our company's petty cash and then went through our safe deposit box. They even took the cash out of our wallets. Then they arrested us, handcuffed us, and took us away to jail for three days. After taking everything we own, they arbitrarily set bail at $200,000. Fortunately, our attorneys were able to persuade a judge to drop all bail and release us on our own recognizance.

Although both my wife and I are legal patients with doctor recommendations we face a 19-count criminal indictment, just for the crime of using a medicine which is not government-approved. Absolutely none of our medical marijuana was ever sold or illegally distributed.

The City of Oakland is the only jurisdiction in California that has set guidelines since the passage of Proposition 215 -- a statewide initiative that legalized marijuana for medical purposes -- in 1996. We carefully kept our home-grown medicine within the parameters set by The Oakland Guidelines -- which also happens to be lower than the 7.1 pounds of marijuana our federal government currently sends to each of the eight patients on the Compassionate IND program each year.

Those eight federal medical marijuana patients are doing very well, thank you. They work, travel and even drive while using their medication and there are no problems. In fact, each of the federal patients is doing much better than their counterparts on conventional drugs, enjoying a productive and reasonably comfortable life.

Unfortunately, the Compassionate IND program was suspended years ago and no one, no matter how desperately ill can qualify. The program has become such an embarrassment to the Clinton administration that they refuse to acknowledge that these federal standards for medical marijuana already exist.

While the feds love to argue that federal law supersedes state law, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals recently disagreed. In a unanimous decision, a three member panel of judges found that seriously ill patients should be exempt from federal laws regarding marijuana. The federal court has sent the case back to District Court where the case is scheduled to be heard on Oct. 29 in Oakland.

No one can dispute that there are basic legal, medical and human rights issues at stake here. Sick, disabled and dying people are being dragged out of their beds, frightened, threatened, arrested, jailed and exposed to deadly opportunistic infections. Innocent, law abiding sick people are being vilified and persecuted simply because they rely upon a politically incorrect medication. Worst of all, the police we pay to protect us against violent criminals are out raiding sick and dying people instead.

We hope our case will achieve in the jury box what we were supposed to have won at the ballot box -- the right for medical patients to not be treated as criminals. Medical marijuana is not a hoax. It's time to stop arresting sick and dying people. --

Message: I got invited tot he HRC birthday shindig. I can't wait. I'll bring you all back a doggie bag.

Message: Magpie I so appreciate you writing the horrific encounter you had with our insane jackboot Federal agents. I think it's criminal that California has set guidelines since the passage of Proposition 215 yet they still act like nazis. The people of California voted OVERWHELMINGLY for Proposition 215. An amazing 76% of San Franciscans voted in favor of 215.

The evidence in favor of Medicinal Marijuana would fill whole encyclopedias, and secretely most people know it's true. By now many people have had cancer or have had a friend or loved one suffer from cancer and they absolutely know how much Medicinal Marijuana helped them.

The truth is out there.... millions of people use marijuana. Marijuana has been on this planet for thousands of years. So why did the Task Force treat you WORSE than ordinary criminals? If you had murdered half a dozen people they would have treated you better.

Which industry has the most to lose if marijuana were legal? -- The ALCOHOL industry for starts. The alcohol industry knows darn well that people who smoke marijuana drink less alcohol. There is a direct relationship. Let's look around: who else opposes the decriminalization of marijuana? Ah... the dealers, of course. They don't want to go out of business. They pay huge sums of money to politicians to keep marijuana illegal.... Who else? Oh yes, many organized religions... why? Because we can connect with God or the Source or the Divine Center (whatever you call it) without any help from their priests. Marijuana gives us INDEPENDENCE from their b**sht. We connect into the Universal Forces and understand things beyond our normal abilities to comprehend. They can't fool us anymore. Ha, ha... We get messages they cannot control. This really scares them. People who smoke marijuana have that centered look about them, and this threatens them. They know we know something they don't.

And what they really hate is sex is g-r-e-a-t with marijuana! They can't have it and they don't want us to have it either.

Then there's the prison system. If we did not arrest people for marijuana the prison population would see a large decrease. That would definitely not be in the best interest of the people that are making their livelihood from the prison system -- the unions, the wardens, the service industry, etc. These people also pay huge sums of money to politicians to oppose Medicinal Marijuana.

Now some of those federal nazis do know that marijuana is beneficial and don't have any conscience about bashing you around, taking your possessions, and then going home to have a smoke. Remember J. Edgar Hoover who punished homosexuals and turned out to be one himself? Well, there are people like him, unfortunately.

I wish you the best of everything in your struggle. The marijuana laws have destroyed millions of lives. I'm happy that we have this anonymous forum where you can express yourself without the federal nazis kicking down your door again.

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Message: Conservative talkmeister Rush Limbaugh recently blasted away at George W. Bush with both barrels today, stoking a possible clash between grass-roots conservatives and the front-running candidate who is already pursuing a centerist general election strategy.

"He's really wandered off the reservation here lately folks," Limbaugh intoned, before making the case against the recent Bush positioning. "In my mind," he told his listeners, "no conservative running for president would make the kind of statements that he's made. No conservative running for president would leave his philosophical brothers and sisters dying on the congressional battlefield the way Bush did with that EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) thing. And now he's done it again with the speech at the Manhattan Institute. He's done it twice in seven or eight days time."

"This obviously is a carefully crafted strategy." Limbaugh continued. What it means is that solid conservatives from Tom DeLay to Dick Armey, who are doing all they can to eke out small majorities and beat back Clinton and all his Big Government schemes-issue after issue-end up being emasculated by Bush's comments."

"Who wants a Republican moderate as president?" Limbaugh asked, a question the Bush camp must hope that other conservatives don't begin asking.

Why does the Federal government want to expand an existing bio-warfare research lab right off the coast of NYC, the most populated area in the U.S.? Have 8 million New Yorkers been chosen as the lab rats in an ongoing bio-medical research project? Is Mayor Giuliani�s bizarre mass daily spraying of toxic pesticides on NYC part of an experiment or a response to a virus that already escaped from the lab? Is the mosquito epidemic merely an excuse to get people used to being sprayed with chemicals from the air? Is the timing of today�s NY Times and yesterday�s Daily News articles on this lab setting us up for some bad news about what is really behind the encephalitis scare?

Please note: birds are a major part of the experimenting that goes on at the lab right now. Birds are also exactly where mosquitoes get the encephalitis virus. While a mosquito may not easily fly from Plum Island to Queens a bird can do it without any problem. Do the people of NY deserve answers before any more spraying is undertaken? The NYC Dept. of Health, the Dept. of Environmental Protection and the Mayor�s Emergency Management Services team are unable to explain their total lack of air sampling on the distribution of Malathion and the other two poison gasses being used. They claim they are using three ounces of Malathion per acre yet the planes make repeated passes over the same area meaning they have no idea how much of the chemical is being dropped per City block. Last Saturday my home in Park Slope was sprayed nine times by the same helicopter. Is Mayor Giuliani bravely trying to protect public health or is he the Mengele for the New World Or Hillary Clinton Forum 129 - October1999

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