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| Name: | DonkeyRider |
| To: | Both Halves And the Middle |
| Re: | The hacker is a bad nuisance, but that's really all he is. |
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We all should consider the fact that we are all under more pressure today than in times previous. Events of the last few days have been especially disturbing for very sane person, Left or Right, and for those who have family members in the military on Middle Eastern duty, these must be especially stressful days.
EDITOR: Thank you for your consideration
| Name: | WWYT |
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Like the United Nations, maybe?
| Name: | Editor |
| To: | WWYT |
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Exactly! That's why I opposed the UN, and Kerry's notion of turning it over to the UN - You know that if you have been paying attention.
| Name: | Disgusted |
The true face of our enemy
This is the video
of the sub-humans slaughtering Nick Berg in Iraq. DO NOT under any circumstances
let your young children see or hear any part of this. Watch it the first time
with the sound turned off. If you can stomach it, watch it again with the sound
turned on.
| Name: | Tussy Mudflapper @ Port 80 |
| To: | BooHoos, Screechers, Defeatists, Haters, and Poussyfarts |
| Re: | The sactimony of the censorious... |
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Posted by Lord of Flies on May 13, 2004 at 01:06:21:
Once again, demand censorship of American brutality in Iraq.
Looks like we Americans can't handle the truth (that are disgusting scum and that War Crimes in Iraq must be punished as Tomoyuki Yamaa was punished).
| Name: | Tussy Mudflapper @ Port 80 II |
| To: | BooHoos, Screechers, Defeatists, Haters, and Poussyfarts |
| Re: | The sanctimony of the censorious... |
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Posted by Lord of Flies on May 13, 2004 at 01:06:21:
Once again, repigs demand censorship of American brutality in Iraq.
Looks like we Americans can't handle the truth (that repigs are disgusting scum and that War Crimes in Iraq must be punished as Tomoyuki Yamaa was punished).
| Name: | Serious Question |
| To: | ET |
| Name: | Warrppeed Figure |
| To: | Rental Light |
| Name: | It's...A NEW DARK AGE (bring matches) |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Moral Relativism |
When a former klansman has the gall to speak about degrading others
YES IT IS A NEW DARK AGE...
| Name: | !! |
| Name: | !! |
| Name: | ...and John F'n Kerry keeps flipping and flopping |
"I think it leaves a terrible taste throughout the military . . . I think it's sort of a panicked move to try to display to the Arab world and others that we're going to do things immediately," Kerry told WFAN's Don Imus.
That's a reversal from Kerry's charge last week that Bush was too "slow" in response to the scandal.
Kerry also floated the idea that Republican Sen. John McCain might be his defense secretary, but McCain quickly nixed that, just as he's nixed being Kerry's running mate. "No - end of discussion," McCain told Fox News. Deborah Orin
| Name: | . |
| Name: | !! |
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Air America has shut its sales offices in Los Angeles and Chicago and is recasting its business plan, the network's president said on Wednesday as troubles beset the liberal talk show network.
With Air America not broadcasting in those two cities after a financial dispute in April, network president Jon Sinton said, "There's not much sense in having sales offices in cities where you don't control a station."
About 15 to 20 people were laid off in the closing of the sales offices, the latest sign of problems for Air America, launched on March 31 as a liberal alternative to the country's predominantly conservative talk show culture led by right-wing icons like Rush Limbaugh.
Since it started, Chairman Evan Cohen, Vice Chairman Rex Sorensen and Head of Programing David Logan have left while co-founder Mark Walsh has stepped down as chief executive to take a smaller role in the organization.
Sinton said Air America was in "high-level affiliate discussions in Chicago and Los Angeles" and other cities.
Sinton said the company had moved away from its original business model, which was to lease and totally control the radio stations in which its programing ran.
Rather, Sinton said Air America has found success with traditional affiliate relationships, under which it provides about 20 hours of programing per day in many cases in exchange for the ability to sell a certain number of minutes per hour of advertising.
"The business model has changed with our on-air success. The fact that we are moving the needle so quickly with affiliates has surprised us and negated the need for us to control our own stations," Sinton said.
After its launch, a dispute with business partner Multicultural Radio Broadcasting led to its programing being yanked from the air in Chicago and Los Angeles.
Air America, which is said to have more than $30 million in financing, is operating in about nine markets, and on satellite radio and the Internet. Its Web site said that 15 more stations will be coming in May.
"We're always looking for new financing, but the investors we have are committed and we would we like to raise more money," said Sinton, who said that certain people on the board with long-term radio experience have recently taken over key decision-making roles in a departure from the past.
Serious errors in business judgment account for Air America's problems, rather than its slate of programing, say various radio industry insiders.
"It makes you wonder why everybody is leaving the company," said Michael Harrison, editor for Talkers, a magazine about Talk Shows.
"I think the concept of liberal radio is great, but they went about it wrong. They first insisted that stations take an entire line-up. The odds of getting enough stations to take a whole line-up are so impossible."
| Name: | Right Wing Pirahna #3 |
John Forbes Kerry, presidential prospect is ignoring his day job.
Kerry says he supports extending emergency federal unemployment benefits. Whether that's a sound is another matter, but it is Kerry's position.
Tuesday, the U.S. Senate voted 59-40 in favor of the extension.
But that meant the bill died: it needed 60 votes because it violated a budget agreement reached last year.
And who might have provided that missing 60th vote?
The junior senator from Massachusetts, of course - JFK Lite.
But he was campaigning in Kentucky.
Missing votes is nothing new for Kerry: He's been MIA for nearly 70 percent of the Senater votes since the begining of the 108th congress, in January 2003.
The citizens of Massachusetts have a new "taxation with out representation" beef, we'd say.
IN contrast former Sen. Robert Dole saw to it that his constituents got their full measure when he ran for president from Kansas in 1996.
He quit the Senate.
Maybe Kerry should do the same.
After all, Mr. Gazillionaire sure doesn't have to worry about his unemployment package.
8^)
| Name: | Chubb Ford Chubb |
| To: | Nation of Victims |
| Re: | Weather sexually assaults Kansas |
Message:
Global Cooling has slammed into the American Midwest! Temperatures are plummeting even as gas prices rocket out of sight! Humdreds of credentialed Unionized professional counselors are being rushed to Colorado, Wyoming, The Dakotas, and Montana to give emergency counseling and psychotherapeutic outreach and medication to hundreds of thousands of large migratory birds who have alreadly flown north for the summer only to find plunging temperatures and SNOW! Many of the birds are considering a lawsuit! BUSH HAS RUINED EVERYTHING!!
| Name: | Radio Madness |
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HAHAHAHAHA~~!!!!
These delusional liberals just KILL me! Just like when you talk with a leftist about Socialism... they say that it just hasn't been done right yet!
The Soviets went about it all wrong. The Chinese have the wrong idea. North Koreans didn't do it the right way. The East Germans weren't faithful to the concepts of Marx... etc.
Everywhere in the world where countries ran by leftists shared a border where countries were run by the right the contrast was palpable. North Korea vs. South Korea, East Germany vs. West Germany, and even in the same country, the catastrophe in Chile under Allende, and the prosperity delivered by the right wing Pinochet. The list goes on.
Now we are treated to the same thing in Liberal Radio. What a joke! The left is so delusional, they imagine that people will actually pay to hear that crap?? Oh, and Al Franken. What a bloody fucking asshole!
Failure after failure - the fast crash of LIEberal Radio.
| Name: | Michael Moore |
| To: | Larry Flynt |
Message:
As was I!
Party on my brother!
| Name: | Democrats in Free-Fall |
The News media blows it on the Nick Berg story
John Ziegler
Jewish World Review
http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com | Like millions of other Americans, over the past few years I have become increasing cynical about the nature of this country's news media. However, up until yesterday, I never thought that our fourth estate was actively (though I still believe, perhaps naively, unconsciously) working on behalf of our enemies.
That all changed with the disgraceful coverage (or lack thereof) of the slaughter of Nick Berg, the American civilian whose horrific murder was carried out by elements of Al Qaeda and videotaped for dissemination on a website.
When I first heard the news of how the same forces that killed 3,000 of our citizens on 9/11 had brutally butchered an innocent American on tape in Iraq as retaliation for the alleged abuses of Iraqi prisoners, I was sure that this was a story that would spark universal outrage against our enemy. I fully expected this story to dominate the news cycle and the Iraqi prisoner scandal to finally be put into its proper perspective. I was not only wrong, I wasn't even close.
While the Berg story was certainly treated as the top news item (though several news websites, including those of the LA Times and CNN, did not have it as their most prominent story by the end of the day), it was treated by most outlets as just another factoid. In fact, not only was the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal coverage not diminished by the revelations of Berg's murder, but instead it seemed to actually augment it.
In a media era in which everything gets reported in some fashion, it is what gets REPEATED that has become important. While the TV networks all led with the murder of Nick Berg, they provided only extremely abbreviated "hit and run" coverage that ignored several vital elements to the story and provided almost no context or even the remotely appropriate sense of outrage. It appeared that they viewed the Berg story only through the dangerously distorted prism of how a man died a horrible death because our enemies were justifiably upset about the naked pictures they had seen of Iraqi prisoners.
ABC was the only network that even briefly touched on the concept that maybe Berg's death showed that the abuse scandal was not being seen by the media elites in its proper context, and their mention of that aspect of the story was insulting at best. After their reporter characterized (and marginalized) those who felt this way as "conservatives" on "talk radio," Peter Jennings, with the kind of condescension only he can muster, dismissed this school of thought as being politically motivated. As if the only reason an American might think that the brutal beheading of one of our civilians is worse than an American reservist mocking an Iraqi prisoner's small genitalia, was because they are a mindless supporter of President Bush!!
The most astonishing moment that I saw on TV "news" came from Paula Zahn on CNN. Zahn actually had the gall to speak on behalf of the American people when stated (without any factual foundation) that many of us must be looking at these photos and thinking that enough is enough, this isn't worth it any more and we should withdraw from Iraq. What???!!!!!
Of course, the vast majority of the American people had not seen the video in question because the TV networks made the outrageous decision to not show ANY of Berg's execution. While I realize we live in a world where everything we do and say is predicated on the concept that some child might be scarred for life if they were inadvertently exposed to it, I do not believe that there is ANY justification for this decision that treated all of us as if we are children ourselves.
I have seen the video and, while it is unquestionably horrible to look at, because of the grainy and fairly distant nature of it I strongly believe that, with proper warning, the entire clip could have and should have been shown on television. At the very least, after being bombarded with stills of naked Iraqi prisoners for over a week, the American people should have been given enough credit to able to endure still photos of Berg's severed head being shown off to the camera.
Would this have made for pleasant viewing? Obviously not. However, who ever said that democracy would always be pleasant? I fervently believe that it was an insult to Berg's sacrifice to not at least allow the American people to fully understand the evil against which we are fighting in a manner that they would not soon (if ever) forget. To not allow the majority of our citizens that option was a HUGE favor to Al Qaeda.
TV not only didn't trust you to see ANY of the relevant parts of the video, they didn't even play the chilling audio either. That was left to talk radio. What was the possible justification of that inexplicable decision? It is not as if Americans have never before been exposed to the SOUND of someone screaming in agony! Why did the TV networks seemingly go out of their way to shield the enemy from the wrath of our people? I honestly have no idea.
Not only did the news media blow it by "protecting" us from the truth, they completely ignored several other important elements of the story as well. For instance, how often was it reported that it is believed that the murder took place in Fallujah, where four other American civilians also had their murders and mutilations edited for our comfort by the media? Why did no one question whether our soft response to that event (for which Berg's murders claimed victory before they sawed his head off) might have led to the killing?
What about the simple fact that, like magic, we suddenly have Osama bin Laden offering rewards in "support" of the Iraqi people and major Al Qaeda actions taking place there? Why no examination of what this says about, the very least, the potential alliance between Saddam and Al Qaeda at which the mainstream media has always scoffed?
Why was there hardly any examination of the incredibly weak response of the Arab world to this event? Why no hard look at what it is about the Arab mind that makes an act this despicable seemingly acceptable to so many? Why so little mention that Berg, like Daniel Pearl before him, just happened to be a Jew?
These are just some of the questions that should have provided the news media with numerous angles of the Berg story to pursue, should they have had the desire to do so. I have no doubt that had they been able to captivate the soccer moms with Berg's plight while he was a hostage and BEFORE he was slaughtered, that commercial considerations (especially during a sweeps month) would have dictated a far more vigorous pursuit of this story. The fact that he was already dead before we got to know him evidently rendered his tale of little long-term economic value. This sad reality speaks volumes about the pathetic state of our news media and our culture.
After watching how the world has largely failed to react to the murder of Nick Berg, it is difficult for me to envision how we can possible win this war on terror. After all, those who control the information we receive seem to be rooting for the enemy.
| Name: | Wall Streeter |
| To: | E.T. |
| Re: | "SHUT DOWN" |
Don't let them wear you down;
Your the finest..."
8^)
| Name: | .... |
Message:
It is...A NEW DARK AGE...
| Name: | It's...A New Dark Age (bring a flashlight) |
| Re: | Sometimes, a War Saves People |
BY JOSE RAMOS-HORTA Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT
The new Socialist government in Spain has caved in to the terrorist threats and withdrawn its troops from Iraq. So have Honduras and the Dominican Republic. They are unlikely to be the last. With the security situation expected to worsen before it improves, we have to accept that a few more countries--which do not appreciate how much the world has at stake in building a free Iraq--will also cut and run.
No matter how the retreating governments try to spin it, every time a country pulls out of Iraq it is al Qaeda and other extremists who win. They draw the conclusion that the coalition of the willing is weak and that the more terrorist outrages, the more countries will withdraw.
As a Nobel Peace laureate, I, like most people, agonize over the use of force. But when it comes to rescuing an innocent people from tyranny or genocide, I've never questioned the justification for resorting to force. That's why I supported Vietnam's 1978 invasion of Cambodia, which ended Pol Pot's regime, and Tanzania's invasion of Uganda in 1979, to oust Idi Amin. In both cases, those countries acted without U.N. or international approval--and in both cases they were right to do so.
Perhaps the French have forgotten how they, too, toppled one of the worst human-rights violators without U.N. approval. I applauded in the early '80s when French paratroopers landed in the dilapidated capital of the then Central African Empire and deposed "Emperor" Jean Bedel Bokassa, renowned for cannibalism. Almost two decades later, I applauded again as NATO intervened--without a U.N. mandate--to end ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and liberate an oppressed European Muslim community from Serbian tyranny. And I rejoiced once more in 2001 after the U.S.-led overthrow of the Taliban liberated Afghanistan from one of the world's most barbaric regimes.
So why do some think Iraq should be any different? Only a year after his overthrow, they seem to have forgotten how hundreds of thousands perished during Saddam Hussein's tyranny, under a regime whose hallmark was terror, summary execution, torture and rape. Forgotten too is how the Kurds and Iraq's neighbors lived each day in fear, so long as Saddam remained in power. Those who oppose the use of force at any cost may question why overthrowing Saddam was such a priority. Why not instead tackle Robert Mugabe, the junta in Myanmar, or Syria? But while Mugabe is a ruthless despot, he is hardly in the same league as Saddam--a tyrant who used chemical weapons on his own people, unleashed two catastrophic wars against his Muslim neighbors, and defied the U.N.
Saddam's overthrow offers a chance to build a new Iraq that is peaceful, tolerant and prosperous. That's why the stakes are so high, and why extremists from across the Muslim world are fighting to prevent it. They know that a free Iraq would fatally undermine their goal of purging all Western influence from the Muslim world, overthrowing the secular regimes in the region, and imposing Stone Age rule. They know that forcing Western countries to withdraw from Iraq would be a major step toward that goal, imperiling the existence of moderate regimes--from the Middle East to the Magreb and Southeast Asia.
If those regimes were to fall, hundreds of thousands of Muslims who today denounce the "evils" of Western imperialism would flock to Europe, the U.S., Canada and Australia, seeking refuge. As in Iran, Muslims might have to experience the reality of rule by ayatollahs before they realize how foolish they were not to oppose these religious zealots more vigorously.
Fortunately that remains a remote scenario. If we look beyond the TV coverage, there is hope that Washington's vision of transforming Iraq might still be realized. Credible opinion polls show that a large majority of Iraqis feel better off than a year ago. There is real freedom of the press with newspapers and radio stations mushrooming in the new Iraq. There is unhindered Internet access. NGOs covering everything from human rights to women's advocacy have emerged. In short, Iraq is experiencing real freedom for the first time in its history. And that is exactly what the religious fanatics fear.
Iraq's Shiite majority has acted with restraint in the face of provocation by extremist elements in the Sunni minority, Saddam loyalists and al Qaeda and other foreign mercenaries. The coalition authorities would be wise to cultivate responsible Shiite clerics more closely and ensure that their legitimate concerns are met. While a Shiite-dominated regime might not meet America's goal of a Western-style democracy, it is still far preferable to risking the return of Saddam's thugs. The U.S. must reiterate that building democracy will not marginalize Islam. Democracy and Islam coexist in Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh, while Israel offers an example of a state built on a single religion. That could be the case in Iraq, too, as long as it is led by wise clerics who are able to deliver freedom and good governance. The most probable contender to fill this role is Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who has emerged as the national leader the country needs to keep it together. He may not be a democrat in the Western mold, but the U.S. needs to cultivate him, and provide whatever support is required to ensure that he emerges as ruler of the new Iraq.
The U.S. also needs to repair the damage done by the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners. While it's important to remember that those involved only represent a tiny fraction of U.S. servicemen in Iraq, the fact remains that the abuse was allowed to continue for many months after organizations such as the normally secretive Red Cross sounded alarm bells. Only thorough investigation, including action against those responsible, can restore U.S. standing in Iraq.
Now is the time for Washington to show leadership by ensuring that the U.N. plays the central role in building a new Iraq. As an East Timorese, I am well aware of the international body's limits, having seen first hand its impotence in the face of Indonesia's invasion of my country in 1975. The U.N. is the sum of our qualities and weaknesses, our selfish national interests and personal vanities. For all its shortcomings, it is the only international organization we all feel part of; it should be cherished rather than further weakened. While the U.S. will continue to play a critical role in ensuring security in Iraq, a U.N.-led peacekeeping force would enable many Arab and Muslim nations to join in and help isolate the extremists.
In almost 30 years of political life, I have supported the use of force on several occasions and sometimes wonder whether I am a worthy recipient of the Nobel Peace prize. Certainly I am not in the same category as Mother Teresa, the Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu or Nelson Mandela. But Mr. Mandela, too, recognized the need to resort to violence in the struggle against white oppression. The consequences of doing nothing in the face of evil were demonstrated when the world did not stop the Rwandan genocide that killed almost a million people in 1994. Where were the peace protesters then? They were just as silent as they are today in the face of the barbaric behavior of religious fanatics. Some may accuse me of being more of a warmonger than a Nobel laureate, but I stand ready to face my critics. It is always easier to say no to war, even at the price of appeasement. But being politically correct means leaving the innocent to suffer the world over, from Phnom Penh to Baghdad. And that is what those who would cut and run from Iraq risk doing.
Mr. Ramos-Horta, the Nobel Peace Prize winner in 1996, is East Timor's senior minister for foreign affairs and cooperation.
| Name: | Moe Rall (Ted's Cousin) |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Sideways Elevators (and Morals) |
| Name: | Last Visible Dog |
The Current Perspective of somebody that has been around this forum for something like 8 years.
I think this country is in big trouble. The left wing media no longer even tries to hide its extreme left wing bias. The left wing media did not even cover the group of 70+ Vietnam Vets that served with John Kerry who had a press conference to say all of them thought John Kerry was not fit to be president. It was a complete media blackout. Rumors about President Bush’s National Guard record dominated the new cycles for nearly three years but 70 Vietnam Vets that served with Kerry and think he is unfit to be president is not even newsworthy. We don’t have a main stream media anymore. All we have is a left wing propaganda operation.
The most horrible atrocity of the left wing media is the near black out of the Berg murder. The left wing propaganda operation (formally called the main stream media) barely covered it and usually in the context of “Berg was murder by Arabs who were rightfully outraged by pictures of prisoners being humiliated” After the near black out of the story the left wing propaganda operation has now suddenly found the story because they have a new spin. The murder victim’s father, a rabid left wing extremist and member of the anti-American group ANSWER, is now trying to blame President Bush for the murder of his son. Not that the facts matter but the US told his son to leave and even offered him a free flight home but he did not take them up on the offer. Now that there is a bash-Bush angle to the story, the left wing propaganda operation will cover the story.
Today John Kerry met with the murder victims father to see if he can make some political hay out of the story to bluster his failing campaign.
The Democrats and the left wing propaganda operation are supporting our enemies because they think it might help them win the election. The Democrats seem willing to destroy our country in an attempt to elect a Democrat. God forbid John Kerry actually wins this fall, we will surrender the war on terrorism on all fronts (Kerry has pretty much promised this because he thinks the war on terror is a legal matter to be addressed by the courts), the paper tiger US of the Clinton era will be back and the terrorists will be emboldened and we will be in deep sh!t. Maybe it will then be time for this country’s second Civil War.
This is not like Vietnam. In Vietnam the left wingers were able to stymie our war effort which meant many more American had to die. When the left wing extremists were successful in getting us to surrender in a war in which we won every battle, the Vietnamese did not come after us. The matter was settled. This war is different.
We have been dealing with Islamic terrorism for over 30 years, this is nothing new. Over the years the Islamic terrorists have become more and more bold. After Islamic terrorists fought back in direct battle with the US in Somalia, the US under Bill Clinton proved we were just a paper tiger when we tucked our tails under and ran home. The lack of resolve of Bill Clinton started the war of open aggression from Islamic terrorists toward the US. Osama said after watching Bill Clinton actions he knew the US was a paper tiger and started his plans to attack us on our ground. After that we were attacked in 1996 Saudi attack, 1998 US embassies bombed in Africa, 2000 US Cole attacked, and finally 2001 911 attacks. The first three attacks happened under Democrat Bill Clinton and he did nothing. 911 happened under a new administration with quit a different approach. Immediately the US attacked the terrorists were they live; striking hard at there power base. Then President Bush made one of the most decisive moves in US history; he took action in the Middle East to try and change the region where the Islamic terrorist originates. It was a bold move and there were no guarantees of our victory. At first it looked like we were winning. But then an election cycle started and the Democrats realized they might be able to win if they root for our enemies because if the war fails maybe the public will blame Bush and elect a Democrat. One big problem: this ain’t Vietnam. If we lose, the terrorists will become even more emboldened and they will continue to attack us. 911 will just be the first of many attacks. The goal of these people is our destruction. Think about that when you cheer on our enemies because you think it might help a Democrat get elected.
| Name: | Republican Trash at Work |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | For all the World |
Yeah real classy... YOU have the nerve to lay charges that people were hired to go against this place? No way...people get sick of one sided diatribes from you about "evil rightwingers" whilst you let Bordertex, LoF and Merci Moi spill out every cockamamie, crackpipe conspiracy they can come up with.
You praise them as fierce forum warriors even as you tell others to quote "go back to Free Republic" or Edit them in spite of Documentation, supporting evidence and photographs.
You've whined for over a year about registration...DO IT.(WRONG!!! - PAY ATTENTION)
You crowed about Dateline featuring this place...NEVER HAPPENED (HILLARY SUCKED UP ALL THE OWYGEN - NOTHING LEFT FOR ME)
You bragged about suing a talk-show host....YEAH RIGHT (MAYBE I WILL ZAP www.stophillaryPAC.com if i get the time and the money)
Now Name "Your" FBI Agent (NO APPROPRIATE)
| Name: | Last Visible Dog |
| To: | The Editor and the Forum |
Editor: I cleaned up this forum in an attempt to allow the debate to continue. If you really want the old forum, I saved a copy.
I only asked that everybody say what they need to say but please don't attack the forum, post porn, or any other nonsense. These are troubled times and many have very deep emotions - express your emotions in your words – tell us what you feel. We don't need to agree but we also don't need to insult each other or attack the forum and F--- it up so nobody can express their feelings. Let us not over inflate our egos – none of us run the country and attacking and/or defeating (whatever that means) another forum member personally will accomplish nothing.
Work with me people.
| Name: | Last Visible Dog |
| Name: | Wax Myrtle |
| To: | All |
Message:
The behavior of the Left-wing media has been despicable, both in commission and omission. If these pissants would respect their profession and do their job, Rush Limbaugh would be out of business before long. It's bad enough when the media root for a John F. Kennedy or even a Jimmy Carter, and it's worse yet when they root for a tinhorn pissant like John Kohn Kerry in times like these. Kerry is not really the Democratic candidate. HE IS THE LEFT-WING PISSANT MEDIA'S CANDIDATE! They deserve him. America deserves much better!
| Name: | Wax Myrtle |
Message:
It is becoming evident that there is more to the Berg story than we have been told.
| Name: | Matilda Lane |
| To: | Nattering Nebbishes |
| Re: | I am shocked! SHOCKED, I TELL YOU!!!!! |
Message:
Posted by HILLARY SUPPORTER on May 13, 2004 at 10:25:18:(MadKane.com)
In Reply to: Re: Please order while supplies are available posted by Frank on May 13, 2004 at 10:21:23:
Screw you!!
| Name: | Purvis Taunton-Blevins III |
| To: | J.F. K. Kerry |
| Re: | Bald Knob, Massachussettessssssssssssssss |
Message:
O! Mr. Kerry! That hair you got there! O! That HAIR!! It looks like it came from a big bear's bottom, it does!
| Name: | Mr. Ed |
| To: | Purvis Taunton Blevins III |
| Re: | Bushy, bushy "do"... |
Message:
I believe he's got hold of my dentures, too!
| Name: | Editor |
| To: | LVD |
| Re: | LVD Rescues the Forum |
Message:
Thank you, LVD. I never wanted to come back to this forum ever again. The thought just depressed me so deeply that I came back here tonight to put the forum up for sale.
To my surprise somebody cleaned up the forum. I scrolled down and read the following few lines from a most wonderful person, LVD:
"I am trying to clean up this forum and allow the debate to continue so if you attack this forum you are not attacking the left wing California liberal Editor - you are attacking an East-coast political-conservative, me."You saved the day and lifted my spirits LVD. I love you for this.
| Name: | The U.N. |
| To: | John Kerry |
| Re: | When you retake control of our North American interests... |
Message:
We must revive the U.N Oil For The U.N. Programme at once!
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Wall Streeter |
8^)
Message:
So good to see the good people on this forum. Gives me hope that we will get through these dark days.
My love and thanks to you...
For seeing me through.
| Name: | Mummy |
| Re: | No point to a monochrome forum. |
Message:
Seems to me that most of that stuff emanates from Lord of Flies, not ET.
| Name: | ET |
| Re: | communism and socialism |
Message:
It puzzles me when I see the numerous posts by fearful conservatives who are still fighting the war against communism and socialism. They fear liberals so much I can't help laughing and being very puzzled. They seem to think our only goal is socialism or communism, and that we all would all revert to communism or socialism if they did not maintain a strong fight against it.
I live in a world where 76% of the adult population are liberals. I never hear any of them say they want communism or socialism. The liberals here are wealthy and well educated, and got their wealth through capitalism. I am the exception :( ... The last thing they want is socialism. So it always puzzles me when the conservatives come in here and slam us with their deluded notions that we are trying to make everybody a member of the communist party or something.
I guess if you go into a poor area they would gravitate toward socialism as an equalizer, much like if you go into a wealthy conservative area they would gravitate toward a plutocracy or oligarchy.
Just a little humorous observation for today.
| Name: | Terminator |
| Name: | Korten Brothers Company |
| Re: | Socialism/Communism/Progressivism |
Message:
Yet they continue to VOTE for it, and to PROMOTE it, including through school and college curricula, and they frequently resort to court action to IMPOSE it by blocking legislation or referendums they don't like.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Mummy |
| Re: | Registration |
Message:
My ideal situation would be that we had a mixture of registration and a 100% anonymous forum as we have now. I have never, repeat, never wanted this forum to be a 100% strictly registered forum. If that were true I could get some free software and it would be done long ago.
But I also know that registration would prevent the free flow of ideas. I, for one, would be very careful what I said because everyone on a registered forum can be traced.
If I had the funds, or if some miracle techie had the time to build it for free, I would like to offer everyone the chance to register and also the opportunity to be anonymous. Both at the same time. Registration allows you to control your moniker and it allows me to control the forum. So one day in the future, if I am lucky, you will come here and see some registered posters and some anonymous. When the forum gets attacked the registered members can switch the forum to registered members only until the attacker goes away, and then the members can switch it back to anonymous when he is gone. This is my ideal.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | LVD |
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Kennedy and Johnson were the presidents during the Vietnam era. Those opposing the war were young men who did not want to come home in body bags. I do believe that those young men were as much on the right as the left. We lost 58,000 soldiers in that war.
How many soldiers do you think we should have lost before we ended the war?
| Name: | Dr. Dentist |
| Name: | KLZXNIU |
| To: | ET |
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We could have ended the war with a victory by 1968 or 69 with far less loss of life on both sides. The bloodbath that follwed the war would have been avoided, too, not to mention the Communist regime that also followed.
| Name: | JHFV |
| To: | ET |
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WHY ARE YOU AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY HONESTLY?
| Name: | confused |
| Name: | WoKKER WEbberRZ |
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Attention All Activists!
...A BUNCH of QUICK reminders and IMPORTANT updates, including info on national and international letter-writing campaigns that the entire net can participate in! (DON'T FORGET: it was the nearly 1,000,000 LETTERS to Mitsubishi that saved Laguna San Ignacio for the GRAY WHALES!!!):
-June 10, SF: BIG GAP RALLY: WE NEED YOU at Union Square at 11AM!!! -Ongoing, Mendo: GAP TREE-SIT Update & Call for Volunteers!!! -Ongoing, Humboldt: Earth First! Delays Hole-in-Headwaters Logging!!! -Ongoing, Internat'l: Anti-Cameroon Pipeline/WB Letter-Writing Campaign!!! -This Month, CA: Contact Your State Senator to vote AYE on AB 717!!! -June 10, Sacramento: Gap Action: Return Your Clothes to the Gap! -June 13&14, East Bay: TWO BIG LABOR RALLIES Against Lawless Corporations! -June 13, Nat'l: Restore the Rio Grande: Public Comment Needed by June 13! -Ongoing, Nat'l: Anti-Monsanto/GMO Letter-Writing Campaign! -Ongoing, Internat'l: Pro-South African Workers Letter-Writing Campaign! -June 24, SF: Screening of HAVC's TIMBER GAP at Patagonia! -Institute for Deep Ecology's Summer Program
Jun 10, SF: BIG COALITION GAP RALLY!!! *************************************************
BAY AREA Forest Defenders, the TREES NEED YOU ...to be at Union Square (Geary side) at 11 AM to march for the redwoods and workers rights at this GRAND PROTEST of GAP SWEATSHOP LABOR and GAP FISHER DEFORESTATION!!! HUNDREDS of Human Rights, Social Justice, and Labor activists will be there--won't you be there, too, for OUR RAVAGED REDWOOD FORESTS????? (Call me for more info: 415-731-7924). BRING A DRUM or NOISEMAKER!!!! "Kaisen Gulch" Tree Sit Update and Call for Volunteers!! ************************************************************** YES, ACTIVISTS are still IN THE TREES, trying to protect this patch of healthy forest from the GAP FISHERS' AX! ...A special entreaty from Red Cloud Thunder: Join us in the defense of residual old growth redwood on Mendocino Redwood Company (Gap Fisher) lands near Kaisen Gulch along the Albion River. For 11 years local neighbors have succeeded in defending this patch of rare older forest from becoming a clearcut. The situation is escalating!!! Call Bamboo at 707-937-2248 for more info. Contact MRC's Sandy Dean and tell him to back off in Kaisen Gulch! 707-485-8731, FAX 707-485-7918 http://www.mendocinoredwoodco.com/Contact.html
Hole In Headwaters: Logging Has Been Temporarily Delayed!!!! ********************************************************************** From NCEF!: North Coast Earth First! Blocks Road Access To The Hole! Due to the awesome EPIC/Sierra Club lawsuit and the threat of large scale civil disobedience by Earth First!, Maxxam/Pacific Lumber has volunteered to temporarily hold off logging the Hole In Headwater, THP 520. Though unconfirmed, this moratorium could last for several weeks. The EPIC/Sierra Club legal team will hopefully obtain a long term court ordered injunction on logging late next week in Humboldt Superior Court.
Meanwhile, an NCEF! backwoods Affinity Group has blockaded Pacific Lumber's only road access to THP 520 with a bi-pod, cargo net and maze of support lines,and road ditches. Located on the logging road, about a mile up from Elk River road, this group has stopped the company for three days from conducting further flagging, marking of trees and helicopter landing preparations in THP 520. The blockade was visited yesterday by Humboldt County Sheriffs and Pacific Lumber Security. One earth-bound activist was arrested but the complexity of the blockade and the two suspended forest defenders where abit overwhelming for law enforcement's resources. They took photo's and promised to return at a later date. This blockade could use your support and involvement, call NCEF! at (707)-825-6598.
| Name: | Lloyd |
| Re: | Look what the hippies did |
| Name: | Che Mung |
Post Vietnam War Photo
| Name: | King Boogerz |
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Cloud Thunder: Join us in the defense of residual old growth redwood on
Mendocino Redwood Company (Gap Fisher) lands near Kaisen Gulch along the
Albion River. For 11 years local neighbors have succeeded in defending this
patch of rare older forest from becoming a clearcut. The situation is
escalating!!! Call Bamboo at 707-937-2248 for more info. Contact MRC's Sandy
Dean and tell him to back off in Kaisen Gulch! 707-485-8731, FAX
707-485-7918 http://www.mendocinoredwoodco.com/Contact.html
Hole In Headwaters: Logging Has Been Temporarily Delayed!!!! ********************************************************************** From NCEF!: North Coast Earth First! Blocks Road Access To The Hole! Due to the awesome EPIC/Sierra Club lawsuit and the threat of large scale civil disobedience by Earth First!, Maxxam/Pacific Lumber has volunteered to temporarily hold off logging the Hole In Headwater, THP 520. Though unconfirmed, this moratorium could last for several weeks. The EPIC/Sierra Club legal team will hopefully obtain a long term court ordered injunction on logging late next week in Humboldt Superior Court.
Meanwhile, an NCEF! backwoods Affinity Group has blockaded Pacific Lumber's only road access to THP 520 with a bi-pod, cargo net and maze of support lines,and road ditches. Located on the logging road, about a mile up from Elk River road, this group has stopped the company for three days from conducting further flagging, marking of trees and helicopter landing preparations in THP 520. The blockade was visited yesterday by Humboldt County Sheriffs and Pacific Lumber Security. One earth-bound activist was arrested but the complexity of the blockade and the two suspended forest defenders where abit overwhelming for law enforcement's resources. They took photo's and promised to return at a later date. This blockade could use your support and involvement, call NCEF! at (707)-825-6598.
Keep givin Gray Davis and Dianne Feinstein an earful, but we're also asking folks to cal Pacific Lumber directly at (707)-764-2222. Ask to speak with PL President John Campbell, and politely remind him (or the receptionist) that hundreds of citizens are prepared to use non-violent direct action to prevent the company from logging THP 520, the Hole In Headwaters. We cannot let Maxxam/Pacific Lumber forget that this area is Headwaters Forest and until they give up the entire watershed and add it to the Headwaters Preserve there will be no peace in the forest. For The Coho-!
Anti-Cameroon Pipeline/World Bank Letter-Writing Campaign!!! ********************************************************************** From Rosalyn Fay, Fair Trade Network: Despite enormous international opposition to this project, the World Bank overwhelmingly approved the African oil pipeline that will cut through hundreds of miles of rainforest- further endangering threatened species, displace up to thousands of indigenous people and line the pockets of Exxon, Chevron and the corrupt governments of Chad and Cameroon. The World Bank needs to hear from us!! Letters can be mailed to: >The World Bank >President James Wolfenson >1818 H Street N.W. >Washington D.C. 20433 ASK FOR A REPLY!
Ask Your State Legislator to Vote Aye on AB 717 (Keeley)! ****************************************************************** If you live in California, please contact your state Senator and gently ask her or him to vote Aye on a very important forestry reform bill: AB 717 authored by Assemblymember Keeley. It will be up for a vote in very soon. Check out http://www.senate.ca.gov to find out who your reps are and how to email, phone, or snail-mail them. Check http://www.forestsforever.org for more info on this bill--or take my word for it: It will help save our overlogged forests!!!
June 10, Sacramento: Gap Action: Return Your Clothes to the Gap! *************************************************************************** From Paulette in Sacto: There will be a 'TAKE THAT CRAP BACK TO GAP' demo in Sacramento - this Saturday, June 10, 2000 - outside the downtown plaza on 7th St, starting at 12 noon. If you have items purchased from GAP, please return them on Saturday. Otherwise, you may want to go shopping at the GAP - and then have a change of heart - and decide to return your purchases.... GO SACTO GAPTIVISTS!!!
TWO BIG LABOR RALLIES Against Lawless Corporate Employers! *************************************************************************** -TUESDAY, JUNE 13, 2000 AT 4:30 PM Berkeley Marina Radisson Hotel Berkeley Marina in Berkeley, CA. Workers, primarily immigrants and women, for the last nine months have fought and decided to join HERE Local 2850. They have braved harassment, threats, and intimidation. The Radisson will be facing federal charges in court on August 1st that they have run an illegal anti-union campaign. We will also have updates on the Janitors Strike, Homecare Workers, and other major organizing announcements.
-WEDNESDAY, JUNE 14, 2000 AT 12:00 NOON Laidlaw Paratransit, Corner of Clawiter and Depot in Hayward, CA. Workers, 80-85% immigrant, overwhelmingly voted almost 5 to 1 for the Teamsters Local 78 to represent them at Laidlaw in an NLRB election upheld by the Federal NLRB. The company refuses to recognize the election and the union. We will also have updates on the Basic Vegetable Boycott and other major organizing announcements.
Bring banners from your organizations for these major Bay-area labor and community mobilizations! Elected officials will be in attendance. To confirm your organizations participation or for information or directions, call Robert Dhondrup, Central Labor Council of Alameda County AFL-CIO, at (510) 632-4242 or alamedaclc@aol.com.
Restore the Rio Grande: Public Comment Needed by June 13! ********************************************************************* The proposed El Paso-Las Cruces Regional Water Project is a $350 million project to provide El Paso, Las Cruces, and other communities with a year-round supply of drinking water from the Rio Grande. This project will have detrimental effects on the Rio Grande. (For more information about the project and the Rio Grande, listed as one of the Most Endangered Rivers of 2000, visit http://www.amrivers.org/00endangered.html .) The public has one last opportunity to turn this project around. The International Boundary and Water Commission has released a draft environmental impact statement (DEIS). PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE DEIS ARE DUE BY JUNE 13, 2000. Please help by urging members of the International Boundary and Water Commission to select a water plan that is sustainable for people and the legendary Rio Grande: Doug Echlin, Environmental Protection Specialist U.S. Section—International Boundary and Water Commission 4171 North Mesa Street, C-310, El Paso, TX 79902
Anti-Monsanto/GMO Letter-Writing Campaign! **************************************************** From Jen Barkin (jennifer@coopamerica.org (202)872-5312): The Shareholder Action Network would like to invite you to our web site to get involved in the controversial debate over genetically modified foods. Monsanto, a global purveyor of GE technologies, is having its annual shareholders' meeting on June 23rd, so act quickly for bigger impact! We've created action tools that are quick and easy. Just visit the site at www.shareholderaction.org, and send a shareholder letter to Robert Shapiro, Monsanto's CEO. Or send a Citizen Action letter. Better yet, forward these to friends and colleagues to triple Shapiro's mail pile! And don't forget to read the fact sheets, resolution and web resources on GMOs.
Pro-South African Workers Union Letter-Writing Campaign! ***************************************************************** From Lucien van der Walt <029walt@cosmos.wits.ac.za>: On February 25, 2000, the Council of the University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, South Africa, decided to retrench more than 620 workers - a quarter of the entire workforce - and outsource their jobs to private contractors. The retrenchments will be completed by 30 June 2000. The decision was based on a highly controversial review by management consultants, which opponents charge was shoddy and biases against labour. The University of the Witwatersrand decision is one in a series of attacks on workers jobs and unions in post-apartheid South Africa, the victims being mainly thousands of black workers and their independent unions. Tertiary Education and public sector workers are the most hardest hit. The National Education, Health and Allied Workers Union (Nehawu), the main campus union, appeals to its brothers and sisters in the international labour and progressive movement to come to its aid in the fight against the spectre of job loss. Please send faxes and e-mail to Colin Bundy, the Vice Chancellor of the University, denouncing the retrenchments >>Phone: +27+11 716-3200/2955 >>Fax: +27+11 339 8215 >>Email: 160CJB@atlas.wits.ac.sa Don't forget to send us a copy of your message: kgaugelo@nehawu.org.sa, tebogo@nehawu.org.sa, resist@africamail.com
June 24, SF: Screening of HAVC's TIMBER GAP at Patagonia! ********************************************************************* Saturday, JUNE 24, 7 pm to 9 pm. The PATAGONIA Store, 770 North Point, San Francisco. Sliding scale donation at the door: $5.00 - $15.00. Benefit for HEADWATERS ACTION VIDEO COLLECTIVE. Light refreshments. More INFO: Patagonia: (415) 771-2050
At this show, Headwaters Action Video Collective (producers of the award-winning LUNA video which documented Julia Butterfly Hill’s historic tree-sit) will screen their documentary “Timber GAP.” This 18-minute video explores both the unsustainable logging practices of the Mendocino Redwood Company (financed with profits from The GAP clothing company) and the sweatshop labor exploitation which has defined GAP’s profit margin.
Institute for Deep Ecology's Summer Program *************************************************** Native American storyteller Darryl Babe Wilson, teacher Mutombo Mpanya, corporate critic David Korten, tree-sitter Julia Butterfly Hill, Global Exchange's Medea Benjamin and Kevin Danaher, deep ecologist Joanna Macy, and Cathrine Sneed of the Garden Project... These inspiring leaders are joined by still others for summer programs of the Institute for Deep Ecology which includes evening conversations, workshops, a field trip, and a conference - all in the Bay Area - from June through August. Joining IDE as co-sponsors of the program are California Institute of Integral Studies, Cultural Conservancy, Global Exchange, New College of California, and Youth for Environmental Sanity.
Julia Butterfly Hill and Joanna Macy will appear together in an evening conversation at Fort Mason Center on June 29 at 7 p.m. The celebrated Luna tree-sitter joins the renowned Buddhist deep ecologist in sharing stories about our awakening as Earth.
A three-day conference, July 14-16 (also at Fort Mason Center), is the centerpiece of the summer program; the themes for the three days are: Earth Wisdom and Globalization, Justice and Globalization, and Local and Bioregional Alternatives. Each day of the conference will feature a council-dialogue that includes a Native American, a young person, and speakers who bring knowledge of globalization and deep ecology, with ample opportunity for audience interaction built in. Afternoons will offer in-depth three-hour workshops on the topic of the day. Daily ceremony will be led by Native Americans indigenous to the Bay Area.
For more information about Globalization or Earth Wisdom? Creating Just and Sustainable Communities, call the Institute for Deep Ecology at 707-874-2347 or visit http://www.deep-ecology.org. ______________________________ Lot's Happening--Please be part of it!
Mary Bull Save the Redwoods/Boycott the Gap Campaign 252 Frederick Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 chalicenew@earthlink.net 415-731-7924 www.gapsucks.org _________________________________________
Other Contacts/Information Sources: ---------------------------- Mary Pjerrou, Redwood Coast Watersheds Alliance 707-877-3405 pirohuck@mcn.org www.elksoft.com/gwa ----------------------------
Mark Hilovsky, Builders Action Network 415-550-6850 mhilo@aol.com ----------------------------
| Name: | 76% of the adult population |
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PRESS RELEASES 101
Here's an example of a press release. Give them a photo and a page or less of copy. It's good to have a quote from someone involved. Choose what the juicy part of your agenda is, and put quotes around it, attributing it to someone. Don't forget to put your or our Web address in the release somewhere.
Here's our list of press contacts. Send your press release to all, or as many as you wish.
Also, be sure to send a copy of the press release, with photos and reports, to the Baring Witness webmaster at web @ baringwitness.org (no spaces). (Sorry not to provide a clickable link, but we were getting deluged with robot-generated spam. So you'll have to type in the address manually.)
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Date Here
CONTACT: YOUR NAME HERE IN CAPITAL LETTERS
Telephone number here
E-mail address here
(These contacts NOT for publication, please).
[Papers will not print your contact as a rule. One local weekly made a mistake and put our phone number in their article. We were deluged with calls (some of them crank calls) AT DINNER TIME!!! Definitely not good form. So we usually put in this reminder, just in case.]
[Traditionally, there should be a space here for editorial comments and directions. With e-mail it's not as necessary].
Photo: Donald Winslow
BARING WITNESS STANDS FOR PEACE
On January 18, Baring Witness staged a pro-peace demonstration at the National Peace March in San Francisco. The organization, which has become famous worldwide for spelling out the word PEACE with naked bodies, this time chose a different means to communicate their message.
Figures shrouded in black body bags and veils stood motionless for twenty minutes before falling to the ground in piles of bodies. It was a stylized representation of the needless deaths the US government seeks to inflict upon its military, the people of Iraq and the future victims of terrorism spawned by the pending war.
Most onlookers expected Baring Witness to take off their clothes again. But Donna Sheehan, the creator of the international movement, decided that the mystery of Baring Witness should be preserved. "We like our actions to appear unexpectedly and with dignity. There has been a lot of excitement in anticipation of a naked action today. The march organizers and the City were uneasy about it. But stripping on demand is not what we do. I’m sorry if anyone feels deceived, but it is nothing compared with the deception of our government’s cynical marketing strategy for the war."
"Our naked events express the beauty of the human body. Today, we wanted to express the horror of war. The perception abroad is that Americans don’t think about peaceful solutions until the bodybags start coming home. Our government is about to commit us to what may become a nuclear Third World War. We hope to make them hesitate just long enough to think about what they’re doing. We would like their wives to say, "Honey, we need to talk. If that means we must uncover our own secret weapon of mass distraction, it’s a small price to pay. Peace must have a future, or we will not."
Baring Witness has plans for more pro-peace actions and is actively encouraging many organizers in the US and Europe. The group’s website http://www.baringwitness.org/ has more information and photographs of its own and similar events.
Here's another example. Normally, we wouldn't send more than one or two photos, but we wanted them to get the message, even if they didn't print all the images.
Date here
CONTACT: YOUR NAME HERE IN CAPITALS
(Telephone number here)
your e-mail address here
(These contacts NOT for publication, please)
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
PEACE SPELLING BEE PREPARES FOR
NATIONAL MARCH
Photo: Sean Smuda
96 women form a Pro-Peace message on December 29th, 2002
Photo: Christopher Springmann
24 men form a peace symbol on December 29th, 2002
Camera courtesy of Dewey Livingston
40 women posed clothed and......
Camera courtesy of Dewey Livingston
.......naked on a hillside on a
California ranch to protest America's nakedly aggressive policies.
On Saturday January 4th forty women gathered at a ranch in West Marin County, CA, to spell the words "NO WAR" with their bodies. The women, part of a group called Unreasonable Women of West Marin Baring Witness, were filmed and photographed both naked and clothed while forming the words.
This is the third pro-peace demonstration that Baring Witness has staged since November 12th, last year. On that date, 46 women posed naked in the word PEACE, as did 96 women in their second event on December 29th, when 24 men also staged a pro-peace protest by forming a peace symbol with their naked bodies.
This startling form of protest has inspired women (and men) to stage similar protests against war. From Florida to Montana, California to New York - and also in the UK - the ‘international spelling bee’ is spelling out the Pro-Peace message with their bodies. Baring Witness is preparing for the January 18th National Peace March in San Francisco and Washington DC, but will not reveal their plans for that day's event.
Baring Witness organizer, Donna Sheehan, has been interviewed by radio shows and newspapers nationwide, as well as the BBC. The first question is usually "Why?" Sheehan replies, "Naked Peace is better than Naked Aggression." From the e-mail she has received, Sheehan has found that women are feeling voiceless in the predominantly male push towards war. She thinks it is time for women to have as great an influence in running the country as they do in running their homes.
"If our homes operated on the same principles as the country," said Sheehan, "we’d all be permanently bankrupt, we’d be fighting with our neighbors and we’d have to pay people to be our friends. If our children acted the way our Administration acts, they’d be called schoolyard bullies, beating up smaller kids who might maybe try to do something to them some day. My beautiful country is becoming the most hated in the world. It’s time that the formidable talents the US and its corporations possess be directed to making the world better, not deadlier."
Baring Witness has posted a "How-To" for organizers on its website, http://www.baringwitness.org/.
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| Name: | Olive Branch |
ET, I've seen your photo. It's not too late to sign-up for this year!
| Name: | @~@ |
| Name: | ET |
| To: | LVD |
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I didn't know this was a leftist conspiracy. I saw and heard the beheading of Nick Berg from a link on the HRC forum. I must agree with the writers who are criticizing the media for trying to soften the beheading. This was definitely not right. They were not doing it to help our enemies, I think they were doing it because they are naive. They were trying to protect us from something so awful that we would have nightmares from it.
I absolutely believe that the media should have let us see it because, from my own perspective, when I first saw the picture of Nick Berg when he was still chubby and alive in America, and then read what happened, it felt just another horrible killing in the Middle East. But a little later I found the link on the forum and clicked on it. That hit me so hard in my gut, like nothing has ever hit me in my life before. The sounds were the worst. I'll hear them to the end of my days.
I knew exactly what to put on the masthead of Forum 1156 the next day.
So they've succeeded in making the American abuses--for which the president has apologized, and which is being investigated, and courts-martial convened--small by comparison.
YES! Major media was wrong. We needed to hear the sounds and see the murder. We needed to know what we are up against. We needed to put it all in perspective. Nick Berg died to put the prison abuses into perspective.
While the prison abuses embarassed and humiliated us, and robbed us of our moral authority, the civilized world was immediately brought right back to their senses.
Every adult in the civilized world needs to see and hear Nick's beheading. They need to know that we are engaged in a war on terrorism, and they also need to know how evil and cruel it is.
These are troubled times. I'm very sad that this country is so divided, like never before. It's very dangerous for us to be like this because it makes us vulnerable. Our enemies can exploit this vulnerability. I saw how they were exploiting us at the so called "Peace Rally" here in San Francisco, where they would not allow Jews to speak, but Arabs were most welcome. There wasn't a single American flag, and a red-white-and-blue anything. That's when I knew I was not a left-winger anymore. I was not a right-winger either. I'm just a centrist without a party.
We need a Centrist Party. This should be a party that has only one qualification for membership, and that is that their members are neither left nor right. Sometimes left, sometimes right and sometimes "a pox on both their houses."
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Olive Branch |
Message:
Oh thank you :)
| Name: | Olive Branch |
I just needed to see a picture of a family who is decent. Enjoy.
| Name: | Scroll Mouse |
| To: | Editor |
Message:
Welcome back to your forum ET
| Name: | Straight Shooters |
| Name: | Actual Straight Shooter |
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| To: | .. |
| Re: | ... |
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| Name: | HILLARY SUPPORTER |
| Re: | Hillary still saying no to VP |
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says she has no interest in being Sen. John Kerry’s running mate this year. (AP Photo) Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
| Name: | Church Lady |
Message:
Well now... Isn't that special
| Name: | Old Hippie |
| Re: | blood is in the water and we're energized |
Foreign policy is social work
| Name: | A Half-Century In Media America |
| To: | Esteemed Editor |
| Re: | LEFT-WING ANTI-AMERICAN MEDIA HACKS!! |
Message:
Not so. Nightmares are what they are all about. The prolific and imaginative Hollywood/CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN/MSNBC/Time-Warner/Turner/Miramax/Disney, et al, complex manufactures *and sells for enormous profits* all manner of nightmares and horrors to the American People.
When they are not doing that, they are manufacturing horrors such as "Global Warming", starving schoolchildren, utterly EEEEVIILL Presidents-for-Oil, various deadly corporate plots, poisonous tap water, attack-SUVs, exploding tires, Alar apples, poisonous grocery items, deadly beef, old people eating dog food, and on and on ad nauseum with which to be-devil the American people!!
| Name: | American |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Communists? You'd better believe it! |
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We will have compulsory Communism in America as long as the travesties of "Social Security" and the "sixteenth amendment" are allowed to fester.
| Name: | change the tone |
| Name: | Anal Receptive WeenieFart |
| To: | Change The Tone! |
| Re: | STRICT DISCIPLINE AND UNIVERSAL SURVEILANCE! |
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America is an ugly, phallocentric, commerical, and frighteningly disorderly society. There are just too many choices. Too many people are doing too many things with far too little supervision! It's very stressful! People are eating too much and their vehicles are much too comfortable and servicable. We need a strong Queen and a supportive king, and The Clintons are perfect!
| Name: | Just Wondering... |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Nightmares? |
Message:
What "nightmares" were elements of the Leftist Media protecting Americans from when they vilified American Serviceman Patrick Tillman upon the occasion of his combat death in Afghanistan last April??
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Olive Branch |
Message:
Thank you. I did enjoy. Nice touch.
| Name: | American |
| Re: | Hillary Clinton |
Message:
She is not such a fool that she would board a sinking ship! She will never seek the Vice-Presidency, either, not if Karl Marx himself was heading the ticket!
| Name: | W.C. Luge |
| To: | Old Hippie |
| Re: | WAR |
Message:
Of course it is pointless. We should have surrendered to Hitler. In time, with proper counseling and therapy, we Americans could have overcome our irrational fears of Chancellor Hitler's efficient new methods of managing societal problems and made a satisfactory adjustment to the new ways.
| Name: | Moral Highground |
| Name: | Curious |
| Name: | ET |
"Following the disgrace suffered by the occupiers for torturing Iraqi prisoners, Western media have broadcast pictures concerning the killing of an American national so as to create news propaganda," the Tehran Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran said Thursday. The Iranian report did not mention that Berg had been beheaded, according to the Foreign Broadcast Information Service, an office of the CIA that monitors media around the world. link
| Name: | RCA Radiola |
| To: | Actual Straight Shooter |
Message:
Mr. Savage makes some good points, and he sure isn't fearful of controversy. But he does go over the top from time to time.
I doubt if he enlightens many of the Beguiled, because his style frightens most of them away, and those who do listen will probably soon hear something from him to confirm their preconception that he is just a dangerous nut.
I think he would be a lot more effective if he would tone it down a little. He is a Right-wing Bernie Ward, aggressively abrasive and in-your-face. They are both California-style foaming-at-the-mouth preachers-to-the-choir. I doubt if either one of them change many opposition minds.
| Name: | Back at You |
| To: | Curious |
Message:
Because "Hillarys phoney altruism" is hate speech.
| Name: | Editor |
| To: | Arab News Gets It Right |
"At a stroke, all the international good will and sympathy for the Iraqis and anger with the Americans that followed the prison photos has been dispelled. Washington has been delivered from its shame by ignorant, malevolent hands, acting with as little principle or morality as the Americans who took the prison photos."
| Name: | Editor |
| To: | Beirut Really Gets It |
The Daily Star in Beirut Really Get It:
The
| Name: | Forum Fan |
| To: | Forum Left Wingers |
Message:
Bill Clinton repeatedly publicly humiliated his family by both repeatedly cheating on his wife and publicly lying about it.
Can you Left Winger can this CRAP!!!!!!
You are trying to bait somebody into a reaction. You know damn well the Clinton's are far from a "decent" family; they are a prime example of the dysfunctional family. Ok, maybe the comment is too harsh; they may be a decent dysfunctional family.
You Left Wingers constantly try to pick fights and then you act surprised when the forum turns into a food fight. Why don't you work with LVD to try and make this forum less of a cesspool!
| Name: | magpie |
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so has the DNC.
| Name: | Zeke |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | A glimmer of hope, no more than that. At least they aren't celebrating! |
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Not quite. Notice that they blythly equate the premeditated beheading of an innocent man, evidently a man of good will toward Iraqis, with the (alleged) humiliating abuse of prisoners who may well be killers of innocents themselves.
There is NO equivalency whatsoever. The fact is, the Western Media has made far too little of the Berg slaughter and numerous other such atrocities perpetrated upon both Americans and native residents of the region, and far, far too much of the prison abuses.
| Name: | American |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Reactions |
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Please note that this IS NOT AN AMERICAN REACTION, and, as an American myself, I do not believe that many Americans share this reaction. The prison abuses were not justified, and I don't hear many Americans trying to justify them. We repudiate them and those who perpetrated them, and we mean to punish them.
I do not want to punish Iraq for Berg's slaughter, and I do not believe that most Iraqis support the actions of these several men. I want to punish the actual perpetrators of his torture-murder, not Iraq, and I want the actual perpetrators of the prison abuses punished for their acts, not America.
| Name: | American |
| To: | Hand-wringers |
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I have not forgotten the gassing of the Kurds by Saddam Hussein and the executions at the soccer field in Kabul, even if the media has. The brutal butchery in Iraq and Afghanistan did not begin with Mr. Berg's horrible end, and the overwhelming majority of the victims are NOT Americans or other Westerners, but the men, women, and children native to that region.
| Name: | Forum Left Winger |
| To: | Forum Fan |
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You are a very nasty person. Go Away.
We like the Clintons. Don't come here and condemn us for liking the Clintons. They're good people. Good Americans. Leave us alone. Go to your conservative forums where you can smear the Clintons all day long, but don't come here and piss on us.
| Name: | FRW |
| To: | FLW |
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Why?
| Name: | ET |
| To: | American |
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Punishing the actual perpetrators of Berg's torture-murder does not go far enough. We must also expose those who support the perpetrators. Keep your eye on the countries that do not condemn Berg's decapitation.
| Name: | Last Visible Dog |
| To: | ET |
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First, the war protests started in earnest after the 1968 Tet Offensive which happened in LBJ’s last year. Nearly all of the Vietnam protests happened while Nixon was president and trying to deal with the mess LBJ had created. Once a Republican was president the Democrats and Leftists totally forgot the war was created by a Democrat and they went about trying to blame it all on Nixon – one again, in hopes that a war defeat and dead Americans might help get a Democrat elected.
Not that the facts matter but the Tet Offensive was a serious military defeat for the North Vietnamese but the Left Wing Media spun it into a US defeat (just like they are trying to do in Iraq). The protests broke the will of the politicians on both side of the aisle. At that point we stopped fighting a war and started playing games. All this accomplished was the death of tens of thousands of American soldiers. The war protesters and the weak politicians have blood on there hands.
Let me break it down (it use hip rap jargon)
Once we put an American in harms way it BETTER BE A FRICKEN WAR or we may be killing Americans for the heck of it. Once we were in we needed to fight an all-out war. Either don’t go to war at all or we go balls to the wall and kill them all (and convert them the Christianity)(that last statement is figurative not literal). Left Wingers have good hearts but weak minds; often they are clueless of the consequences of their actions. The War Protestors were no heroes but the blame lies more on the politicians (on both sides) that actually made the calls.
Vietnam was a good war and there was good reason to fight it. After we surrendered despite winning every battle - Vietnam fell into a real Dark Age. Tens of thousands were murdered by the new Left Wing extremist government. My next door neighbor is an extended family from Vietnam – the father was in a leftist reeducation torture camp for five years. Thousands and thousands of people suffered and died when we turned tail and ran home.
Everybody knows we could have easily won the war but people like John Kerry broke our will. The war was handled poorly from the start. Both democrats and republicans are to blame as well as the left wing media and the short-sighted protesters and the liars like John Kerry. NOTE: the leader of North Vietnam credited the actions of John Kerry’s group and others for their “victory” over the US.
It is pretty simple. Either fight a war or go home. Kill them all until they stop fighting or don’t bother going to war at all. Make the prisoners of war wear women’s underwear on their heads if might help stop one American from dying.
Either don’t go to war at all or KILL THEM ALL and convert them to Christianity (figuratively speaking). War is not meant to be pretty.
| Name: | Forum Fan |
| To: | Forum Left Winger |
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I am nasty because I want you left wingers to stop picking fights. Whatever
It is just dandy that you worship the Clinton's but you know damn well you are just trying to pick a fight when you claim a family headed by a serial adulterer is the model of a "decent" family.
Seems the right is trying to keep the forum open and debating and left wingers are trying to turn it into a food fight cesspool.
So far it is Right Wingers that are trying to turn this forum around so I think it is time for you to shut your antagonistic pie hole.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | LVD |
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You got that one right!
| Name: | Olive Branch |
It's hot out.... Lets go tube the river!
| Name: | Last Visible Dog |
| To: | ET |
I didn't know this was a leftist conspiracy.
Did I use the word conspiracy? No.
They were not doing it to help our enemies, I think they were doing it because they are naive. They were trying to protect us from something so awful that we would have nightmares from it.
I believe they are doing it because the Iraqi prison sandal might make Bush look bad and the Left Wing propaganda operation is trying to get Kerry elected. The story of the Berg murder all but invalidates the uproar about the Iraqi prison scandal and that will not help elect Kerry.
But a little later I found the link on the forum and clicked on it. That hit me so hard in my gut, like nothing has ever hit me in my life before. The sounds were the worst. I'll hear them to the end of my days.
And it explains why we are using less than pretty tactics with the Iraqi prisoners of war. These prisoners with women’s underwear on the heads are the same type of people that sawed this American’s head off. By getting these prisoners to talk we might be able to stop other people from having their heads sawed off by these animals. I am tired of the PC crap – if getting Iraqi prisoners of war to talk will save one American life then I say make all of them run around naked with women’s underwear on their heads. The major crime here is the Left Wing propaganda operation and the Democrats have turned the Iraqi prison scandal into a John Kerry for President political ad/media circus with a total disregard for the people their actions will kill. There is a one-to-one relationship between the Left Wing propaganda operations coverage of the Iraqi prison scandal/paid political ad for John Kerry and the death of an American.
| Name: | Last Visible Dog |
| To: | ET |
While the prison abuses embarassed and humiliated us, and robbed us of our moral authority, the civilized world was immediately brought right back to their senses.
What? Let’s view the facts:
Our Side: humiliated Iraqi prisoners of war in an effort to get information that might same the lives of Americans and others. The POW’s were sexually humiliated and psychologically harassed.
Their Side: Sawed a completely innocent noncombatant American’s head off while shouting the praises to their “god”
Who lost the moral authority?