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Hillary,please tell the voters of New york what Vince Foster discussed with the lawyer he consulted a week before he blew his brains out.

And don't lie by saying you have no idea.you know damn well what caused him to pull the trigger! It was the same thing that caused Webb Hubbell to "roll over one more time" for you!

Message: TOLERANCE: We need to instill tolerance in the next generation. This should start in public schools in the first grade. The Federal Govt. should mandate tolerance and diversity training for all students, regardless of intolerant right-wing parents objections. Those right-wing fanatics and their "Leave it to Beaver" type family fantasies have got to go. These right-wing dogma priorities are bad for a heterogeneous society like ours. Different strokes for different folks so get used to it. At least Hillary and Bill are good examples of diversity and tolerance.
HEALTHCARE: We all know we can't trust the marketplace to provide health care. The govt. should be in the business of providing healthcare for all. Again, Hillary is right on when it comes to the control and deployment of health care in this country.
CAMPAIGN REFORM: Again, we need the govt. to control the campaign process. We can't have wealthy, oppressive right-wingers like Steve Forbes and George W. BUYING elections. We need the govt. to keep people honest in campaigns and let people like Hillary have the same advantages as the wealthy. Hillary has to fight off the Vast Right Wing conspiracy in addition to being first lady and campaigning. This just isn't fair that the intolerant right-wing hatemongers can accuse her of all sorts of evil things when they are the ones who are evil and intolerant of others.
POPULATION CONTROL: Here again we need govt. help because the homophobes that is the Republican party is bent on overpopulating Mother Earth. We NEED Planned Parenthood leading health classes in every public school and every child should be warned about the dangers of heterosexism. Alternatives to heterosexism should be encouraged and abortion kept legal. Hillary is our girl. Go Girl!

"Again, we need the govt. to control the campaign process."

FOR NOW there is a balance of power — or a consensus for inaction — in the House. Suburban Republicans from California and the Northeast join with most Democrats to support more stringent gun regulation. But they are offset by rural and Dixie Democrats who oppose gun-control measures. Looking beyond the legislative stalemate, Democratic strategists see the gun issue as perhaps their best tool for taking back the control of the House, which they lost in 1995. They will run television ads blaming the Republican majority in Congress for inaction on measures to require background checks on purchasers at gun shows. MORE...

Message: Wow!!! There are still Vince Foster conspiracy theorists out there? Really old!! Sort of like telling Calvin Coolidge jokes. LOL

Second, taking one hate filled post by a "supposed" liberal (I have my doubts) and using that to paint all liberals is "spinning" and "generalizing," in my opinion.

You are correct Dawn - I was over-generalizing - it happens a lot on this forum but no matter who does, it is wrong. You are correct Dawn - I shouldn't do that.

How many republicans have been on this list calling Hillary a b**ch, wh**e, and a slew of other hate-filled names?

Almost never - I haven't. Nowhere near the amount of times that bigot Jon posts.

People on either side that engage in name-calling should simply be ignored because they have nothing of substance to say.

Right on Dawn - I take back everything bad I said about you (not that I actually said anything bad).

The poster you call the "hate-filled liberal" was transparently sarcastic, TO ME. That's just MY opinion. The talk about Hillary and the spaceship....a totally transparent BS post.

I don't think Jon is sarcastic - I think he is simply an intolerant bigot. (IMHO).

Jon Tampico - you are an intolerant bigot. You are for diversity as long as everybody is a homosexual socialist atheist. You are a bigot toward conservative thinking, spirituality, heterosexual (normal) sexuality and anything that does not look just like you. You are a phony hypocrite and you are no different than the KKK. True diversity MUST include EVERYTHING including the things you hate - such as heterosexuality and the constitution and other conservative ideals. If you hate any group of people (blacks, republicans, religious people) you are in deed a prejudice bigot. You - my friend - are the worst kind of bigot - the hypocrite bigot that actually thinks your hate-filled statements somehow support diversity (pathetic)

Message: Isn't it interesting that the Clintons are going to Martha's Vineyard for their fifth annual vacation? I think the Clintons are so fixated on the Kennedys that they are trying to find one to marry Chelsea. It is a shame that John is dead, he was probably the only truly good Kennedy male. The other K males are just as deviant and bereft of conscience, class and style as is Bill "wannabe Kennedy" Clinton. If Clinton wants to get Chelsea married he better front a HUGE DOWERY as there won't be many takers whose families want their sons to marry the daughter of a pervert and have to worry about grandpa performing magic with a cigar on their little granddaughters.

Message: Sure LVD, more of your judgmental right wing rantings. There are people in this country other than your Jerry Falwell's and their SUPERIOR "Leave it to Beaver" family fantasy dogma. You right wingers tried to use morality to bring down our duly elected President and you lost. It just BUGS you that you can't have things your way anymore. Hillary had her "Women's Conference" in Beijing and someday she will have her "Family Values/Village" conference in San Francisco. Maybe I will be one of the board members at her next conference - setting the cultural agenda for families in America.

Message: Quit picking on Jon Tampico. He is entitled to his opinion. After all we listen your baloney all the time. LoL LVD there is a discusion about who is gonna be the first people to be in the New Millieum January 01, 2000. Ooops sorry computer, I havent fixed your old Word Perfect files yet with my new Fix 2000 Pro Program. Just think if LVD's computer isn't fixed, we may never have to hear him again talk about how Liberal or is it Commies now or Leftists.

History Lesson: It was President Harry Truman and his Truman Doctrine that stood up to the Russians when they were the USSR. Then IKE, I liked Ike. Then JFK and on and on MOre Democratic Presidents said hey you with the sickle and hammer "How come everyone is fleeing your Communistic Country and coming to the USA. PS The Cubans are still fleeing Cuba.

Message: This is my land and everyone elses who lives here. BE nice and forgiving to all you meet and if you should see a real homely lady wink.

Message: Yo, Jon! You liberals are going to have a real hard time keeping me on your side if you keep writing smut like the government diatribe on campaign reform, health care, population control and tolerance. Please tell me you were speaking tongue in cheek. No one, not even the most hard-core liberal is THAT stupid...right? Please tell me you are smarter than that Jon. I'm really worried about you here. I am such a freak about control, I can't imagine giving that much control to anyone in my life except the bank. God forbid, the government, in their infinite ability to create more hoops for me to jump through, should have one iota more control than they absolutely NEED. (Which, by the way, in an ideal world, would be a hell of a lot less than they have now.)

Hillary seems OK to us Norwegians, even if that may not be very interresting for the NY voters.

I'm sure Hillary is just as good as the other candidates. They are all "business people" in the end.

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Hey,David...you speak of Vince Foster conspiracy theorists being a little crazy. Well,pal,let's cover a few facts about Ole Vince and how he was connected to Die Schlickfrau and America's first Trailer Park President,both while alive and after his death.

Fact:Vince Foster is known to have been working on Travelgate and Whitewatergate for the Felonious Couple during the last few months of his life.

Fact:Vince Foster somehow felt the need to consult a lawyer some time in late June or early July 1993.

Fact:Foster blew his brains out in July 1993,just a week or so after having consulted said lawyer.

Fact:in the summer of 1995,a Secret Service officer assigned to Motel 1600 tesitified (UNDER OATH!) that he saw Die Schlickfrau's Chief of Staff,Maggie Williams, leave Foster's office a few hours after his death was discovered carrying an armful of papers.

Fact:Another of Die Schlickfrau's good buddies,Bernie Nussbaum,denied the FBI access to Foster's office for several days after his death.This was considered to be so unusual and suspicious that Deputy Attorney General Phillip Heymann felt the need to angrily ask Nussbaum "Bernie,are you hiding something?".As a side note, Mr Heymann,a long time DOJ official,reseigned form the DOJ shortly after this exchange with Nussbaum!

Fact:last summer,Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr attempted,as part of his investigation,to obtain the notes of the lawyer that Mr Foster consulted just before he blew his brains out.Die Schlickfrau and America's first Trailer Park President fought tooth and nail to keep these notes away from Judge Starr.This is particularly interesting because if Foster were alive,he could have sought to force him to testify by granting him full immunity,thereby eliminating the danger of self-incrimination.

Are you at all curious,David,as to why The Felonious Couple were so anxious to keep these notes away from Judge Starr?

No,I didn't think so!,But then,being a democrat means never having to say you're sorry...or obeying the rules that apply to the "common folk"!

"BERNIE,ARE YOU HIDING SOMETHING?"

Message: There are still Vince Foster conspiracy theorists out there? Really old!! Sort of like telling Calvin Coolidge jokes.

No, David, there is a serious and sad difference here in that Calvin Coolidge is no longer President, alive or substantially relevant to current events. This country is still very much in the grips of the Clinton Crime Machine, I believe Calvin Coolidge is just a rotted pile of bones somewhere six feet under the ground. Do you understand the difference? See? Clinton-still President, recently impeached. Coolidge-dead. Get the difference? I can explain it further if you need any further assistance with this simple biology lesson.

Could this be because you know that you have a 75% rip off rate and don't care about a piddley 10% in view of the monstrous amount of rip-off money that is to be had? But, alas, NO even for thieves and con artists such as yourself, I do not support government sanctions. The world can not save itself from itself. Survival of the fittest would dictate that the idiots need to be poor and, hopefully, dead soon. Hey, David! Do you think you could somehow involve the welfare system in your gambling scheme to hasten along its demise? Congress won't do anything to help out us poor working schmucks who are being eaten alive by the Harlems of this country. I was thinking maybe you could help us out?

For all those who profess to love this great country of ours and continue to perpetuate and bat around numerous conspiracies (this being the key word), even after Hillary Clinton has testified 6 separate times on one investigation alone to Kenneth Starr (and still he proved nothing), remember that people in this great country are supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty." So wadda u wanna do? Sing God Bless America or go burn the flag?

It is healthy to speculate and analyze, but not to the pt. of obsession. Has anyone just thought that being caught in the middle of two scandals at once was just too much for Vince? Did anybody do HIS psychobio like they did Hill's? Maybe this man just COULD NOT TAKE the stress. He was in a BIG MESS.Who is to say exactly why or how or whose to blame...he was just there in it!

But the fact that Hillary testified six times does not mean she testify truthfully? Given that she was less than truthfull regarding the disposition of the records taken from his office I find her credibility to be rather suspect.

Perhaps Dr. Who put her billing records in the book room? It would account for their two year disapearence.

Message: Hillary Clinton Accorded a Rare Honor at King Hassan's Funeral
Hillary Clinton was accorded a rare honor for a woman -- an audience with the new Moroccan ruler, Hassan's 36-year-old son, King Mohammed Ibn Al Hassan. She also paid a condolence call on the king's widow and other female members of the family.

In Muslim societies, women are strictly segregated from men at religious observances, particularly at funerals.

Message: OK, it's time to discuss real issues. Real estate in this country is too expensive. People pay too much for housing. We need to increase supply of housing to drive prices down. How to increase supply of housing? We have millions of people on welfare. It's time to put them to work. Education? What education? Houses were built before Jesus was born. Without high-school diploma. How much education they need to make bricks? To lay bricks? To build houses and child care centers? If anyone really cares about the poor, s/he should find a solution to the housing crisis. Yes, if we have rent control in New York, - this is a crisis. --Michael Vilkin.

Message: While it may have been an honor for Mrs Clinton to accept an invitation that would not be offered any other woman in muslim countries. Wouldn't it also evidence an elitist disrespect to the plight of all Moroccan women who are denied equal rights? Shouldn't Mrs. Clinton be supporting equal rights for all women? I think if Mrs. Clinton were to respectfully decline the invitation it might send a better message, while also evidencing a fundemental principal, that regardless of gender all people should be afforded the same rights? Oh well, such is life.

The Federal Government should pass a law that converts all golf courses to housing projects.

The Federal Government should pass a law that converts all cemeteries to housing projects.

The Federal Government can use the budget surplus to pay for more housing and education of the homeless.

Then the Federal Government can use that great, existing department to manage the project, HUD.

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Jon Tampico your "get used to it" message reeks of bigotry and you are too childishly blind to even realize it..

After all we listen your baloney all the time. LoL LVD there is a discusion about who is gonna be the first people to be in the New Millieum January 01, 2000. Ooops sorry computer, I havent fixed your old Word Perfect files yet with my new Fix 2000 Pro Program. Just think if LVD's computer isn't fixed, we may never have to hear him again talk about how Liberal or is it Commies now or Leftists.

Judging by the incoherent rambling nature of this message - I get the feeling Daphne may be David using a different moniker. So Daphne - are you saying you want to fix my old Word Perfect files? Thanks for the jesture but I have not used Word Perfect in about 7 years (before you were born?). Are you saying that liberals are going to disappear in the year 2000? (your message is very confusing).

What are you talking about - please re-post when the medication wears off. BTW - I believe Harry Truman was one of the causes of the cold war (by allowing Russia to take more then their share after WWII). As for the overall meaning of the statement - I have no clue. What is the "Cubans are fleeing Cuba" statement all about? They are fleeing because socialist dictatorships suck - when will the Democrats learn socialism just doesn't really work?

So watch it buster Don't think you can pull a Joe McCarthy on us compassionate Democrats.

What are you talking about - are liberal that unoriginal? So you want to imitate GW and steal his slogan - how bloody original!

And if Pat Robertson wants to run for President let him start his own Party and leave the Republican Party alone.

That is his choice - he is currently not running for president and when he did run in 1988 he lost big time so it is obvious the Republican didn't want him

I liked the old Republican Pary of Ike and Nixon. They were great guys but the Religious Right with all their money from Religious Groups doesn't wash.

Could you be specific - sounds like more liberal guano. What "Religious Groups" are supposed to be giving the Republican all their money - you seem to live a liberal propaganda delusion.

That is a bit silly - the constitution specifically says the government "…will not in prohibiting the free exercise thereof…" - telling people they must become religiously neutered to get into politics in VERY unconstitutional. True believers live their lives based on their Religion (they don't just turn it off and on Sunday or religious holidays) so it would be impossible for Religion and Politics not to mix unless you live in old Russia where they outlawed religion. Sorry I do not agree with you unconstitutional statements.

Where did you get the bonehead idea that I was not tolerant - you must not be able to read very well? I am tolerant of nearly everything that does not directly effect me or is lawful. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I am not tolerant. Intolerant is when someone calls a group of people EVIL (something I have NEVER down). Intolerance is when someone calls someone else a pig (something I have never done). If you would have be around for a while you would know I have said many times that I would love to party with Bill Clinton - he looks to be a fun guy, but just a bad president. I am tolerant of all ideas but I will challenge views or statement thats I think are faulty - this has nothing to do with tolerance. If you want to understand intolerance - read Jon Tampico messages.

This is my land and everyone elses who lives here. BE nice and forgiving to all you meet and if you should see a real homely lady wink.

Message: "I think if Mrs. Clinton were to respectfully decline the invitation it might send a better message, while also evidencing a fundemental principal, that regardless of gender all people should be afforded the same rights? "

Your point is well taken. I would be the first to support your position in most cases. However, before making a stand for equality, one should take into consideration the manner in which it is done, when it is done and how it is done. TIMING is everything in my book. "There is a time for war and a time for peace." Challenging another country's culture at a popular monarch's funeral would be inappropriate. On the contrary it would, in fact, have the reverse effect. Instead of making a point she would be hated. She would be held up as an example of what happens when you give women equality - in other words their message would be that women are incapable of knowing when to honor their leader and when to oppose him, because "women are just emotional creatures after all with no sense of direction or propriety."

On the other hand, Hillary being honored and given privileges no other women has ever had, opens the door, just a crack, for all women: an ancient threshold was crossed at a deeply religious funeral. It will have an impact.

"I think if Mrs. Clinton were to respectfully decline the invitation it might send a better message...."

Also, a respectful decline might also have sent the message that Hillary was deferring to tradition. By accepting the honor, she was also confirming that she, not only as important figurehead but also as a woman, deserved the honor.

Name: Last Visible Dog to Dawn (go away I'm no good for you....sorry, can't resist)

Dawn baby - are you starting a NEW conspiracy? Hillary was never that target of any of Ken Starr's investigations.

remember that people in this great country are supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty."

OK - So you will say publicly that Richard Nixon was innocent - come on, say it! (and while you are at it say Al Capone was as innocent as the wind driven snow - except for income tax issues).

The Federal Government should pass a law that converts all cemeteries to housing projects.

...that I would love to party with Bill Clinton - he looks to be a fun guy, but just a bad president."

Substituting the word "good" for "fun" - I think for most Americans, the converse is true.

I don't keep up on Al Bore, so I don't know what he did in Indonesia. What'd he do?

Speaking of horror movies - Have you all gotten into the hype for "The Blair Witch Project"? I haven't seen it yet (general release is Friday) but it sounds like fun. Anyway, I live about 7 miles away from Burkettsville, Maryland (where the move was shoot and where the Blair Witch is supposed to live, ooOooOooO!). Not to mention - the people in the movie where students at Montgomery College and I went to Montgomery College for a few semesters. Is that cool or what. Relevance to this forum - ZERO.

...that I would love to party with Bill Clinton - he looks to be a fun guy, but just a bad president."

Substituting the word "good" for "fun" - I think for most Americans, the converse is true.

Not based on the polls - Bill Clinton has the lowest personal rating of any president EVER and his job approval is currently VERY week (early 50's). When do you base your statement on? (Not mention the Clinton backlash that is turning Aldorf, I mean Algore's campaign into a joke).

I'm definitely going to see that this weekend! It's supposed to be the scariest film this summer. I think it's great when independent films hit it big. I love the premise: a film gets to make it on the merit of talent alone & you can score one for the underdog in the process.

Message: Albore was invited to an Economic conference in Jakarta. When it was his turn to adress the Nations attending the conference he chose to speak about civil rights in Indonesia. The attending Nations were furious because it violated acxcepted diplomatic protocals.

(Bill Clinton would be fun to party with? Give his prediliction toward sexual assault I'd be rather careful. Plus,a drug bust would end a Wall Street career.)

Actually - after getting my head out of my work (hey, no jokes!) - Dawn, I think I actually agree with your statement (bad person, good president). Oh well "a nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat" - think about it.

" Bill Clinton has the lowest personal rating of any president EVER...." Yes, most Americans feel he's a good president, bad guy.

Back during the threat of impeachment, the media couldn't even interview the slew of people who felt Clinton was a "good president" just sufferring from "personal character flaws." There were too many! I thought I was the ONLY ONE on the planet that thought he deserved to get impeached and subsequently removed asap. Then of course, he was impeached, but according to the polls, his ratings were in outer space they were so high and NO ONE and HIS BROTHER wanted to see him removed. If the polls have changed, I haven't kept up. He's there now, he's not going anywhere, who cares because we are, quite frankly, stuck, ratings or no.

his ratings were in outer space they were so high and NO ONE and HIS BROTHER wanted to see him removed

But they were never as high as President Bush's highest rating - BTW Clinton ratings are down because of Kosovo.

He's there now, he's not going anywhere, who cares because we are, quite frankly, stuck, ratings or no.

Message: Finally -- A TRUTHFUL NEWS COMMENTATOR has the guts to say what we are all thinking. RIGHT ON. We are sick of paying for Hillary and Chelsea. Hillary is an fat, ugly battleax, the photos show it. Message: ``Just moments ago the first lady rolled in,'' WFTV anchor Steve Rondinaro said Wednesday night. ``There she comes, the old battle ax. There she is with Chelsea in tow.'' Well, a little honesty and candor from someone in the media. Sure beats the heck out of ol' Dan Blather and the other bend-over-grab-my-ankles-democrat stooges in the media. How many more tax-payer financed photo-opps is Queen Hillary going to subject us to?

"When it was his turn to adress the Nations attending the conference he chose to speak about civil rights in Indonesia."

I don't really know how to explain this, but I don't believe his situation is comparable to Hillary's. You're mixing the contexts. Hillary was more or less given permission (of which she was still in control of via a refusal or acceptance) to break with the tradition, while Al took it upon himself, without any prior knowledge or ok, to speak about civil rights at a economic conference - which seems rather untraditional.

"Dawn baby - it was more the a threat - he was impeached and remains impeached."

Make sure you read my entire posts, LVD, baby, I believe I confessed knowledge of the impeachment....if I can't recall however, please keep Ken Starr away from me!

OH NO, the stars must have aligned with Jupiter and Earth is now on a crash collision course with Uranus! EVERYBODY, TAKE COVER!!!!

Message: Gee...Hillary wants New Yorkers to think of her as one of them,yet she chooses to vacation in Massachusetts....again! I guess it's because there aren't enough beautiful people in the Hamptons these days.

Message: EXCERPT from Reuters: "The Clintons led a U.S. delegation that included former President George Bush and former Secretaries of State James Baker and Warren Christopher. The Clintons' daughter Chelsea and Mrs. Clinton's mother Dorothy Rodham also attended. They were to return to Washington late Sunday." Since when did the U.S. include the wife of the president's mother as an OFFICIAL MOURNER at the funeral of the King of Morrocco? Was Mrs. Clinton's mother acquainted with the King except when the U.S. taxpayers SUBSIDIZED Grandma's two trips to Morrocco with Chelsea and Hillary at a purported cost to taxpayers of between $6-9 million? Congress has to make some changes in travel expenditures at taxpayers' expense. Mrs. Clinton's mother has become a world traveler, accompanying the Clintons on many trips including the trip to China last year which cost the U.S. taxpayers $50 million dollars. The high cost included expenses for flying plane loads of vehicles for the president's entourage and a plane load filled with BOTTLED DRINKING WATER. Talk about the AMERICAN TAXPAYER BEING SOAKED!!!!!

Message: The reason Mrs. Clinton was afforded the uncommon opportunity to meet with the new king after the funeral is that THERE WAS A QUESTION of WHETHER HILLARY WAS MALE OF FEMALE and to cover the bases they invited her. Question could have arisen particularly if she wore that dumpy little black suit with "the collar splayed just so to show just the right amount of skin" that you like so much. She looks like Charlie Chaplin in drag in that get up.

"Gee...Hillary wants New Yorkers to think of her as one of them,yet she chooses to vacation in Massachusetts....again!"

Does it really matter where she vacations?? When/if she resides in NY, must she vacation in NY, too, or will this just be another issue that will be placed on the table for scrutiny??

Message: If she resides in New York,Dawn? Is this to suggest that Die Schlickfrau intends to drop all pretenses of actually being a New Yorker? Talk about chutzpah!!!!

LOL Margo. But you don't like the black suit....jus' a widdle...c'mon, tell the truth!

To which I aserted that Mrs. Clinton was, in some fashion, insulting all the women of Morocco. On the one hand she is violating one of the tenets of their Muslim religion. While on the other hand the tenets of the Muslim religion violates the equal rights, civil rights, of all women. You were implying the diplomaticly she had to attend because she was Bill Clinton's wife which, in some fashion, I think insults all women in general.

But I think you knew that. In Wall Street parlance I think you were "going short against the box."

Bottom line, I think both Mrs, Clinton's and Albore's actions send the wrong message. Neither should have atended either diplomatic event because the violation of anyone civil rights is the violation of everyone's civil rights.

Message: "Dawn baby - are you starting a NEW conspiracy? Hillary was never that target of any of Ken Starr's investigations. "

Hillary was indeed the target of Ken Starr's investigations, but the Arkansas Grand Jury found that there was not enough evidence to indict her.

Message: Ken Starr never filed for an incdictment of Mrs. Clinton before the grand jury. Therefore the grand jury never had to make a decision in hert case. I beleive that LVD was refering to the six time she hhad to give testimony in other matters.

Hillary was indeed the target of Ken Starr's investigations, but the Arkansas Grand Jury found that there was not enough evidence to indict her.

Are you claiming Ken tried to indict Hillary - Sorry that just did not happen (liberal mythology)(Liberal wet-dreams?…Hillary beats Ken Starr[but he likes it!]…Sorry, more liberal fantasyland).

Hillary was a peripheral character in many of Ken Starr's cases but she was never the target and Ken Starr NEVER tried to indict Hillary - at least not yet. Using my Dragnet voice: "Stick to the facts ma'am"

"If she resides in New York,Dawn? Is this to suggest that Die Schlickfrau intends to drop all pretenses of actually being a New Yorker? Talk about chutzpah!!!!"

Well brace yourself because I've got more chutzpah where that came from. I don't feel Hillary Clinton should feel obligated to or commit herself to residing in NY if she loses the election (assuming she will run). If the people of NY reject her, she shouldn't have to move into hostile territory and twiddle her thumbs. Losing the election does change things. Unfortunately, this whole carpetbagger issue has brought us to this pathetic pt.

Hillary may like NY and the people, but maybe political opportunities will arise elsewhere after the election. If she loses, do you expect her to forgo them because she has to prove to everyone that she loves the big apple? Silly and petty.

You know what it all reminds me of? A bunch of screaming children who want to make mommy prove she really loves them. And then there is Hillary, co-dependent, wearing the Yankees cap or whatever team it was, saying, "See how much I love you! I love you THHHISSS MUCH!!!" (Hillary, that was not a good idea. Consult me from now on, ok? Let's do lunch.)

I hope the above propaganda graphic is not expected to be some sort of evidence!

Message: With the exception of the "Hillary for President" which we added, the image comes from MSNBC in early May of 1998. I don't have the time right now, but I will look up the article to prove, as I always do, that you are completely wrong, as you always are!

Not enough evidence to indict Die Schlickfrau,eh? That just proves two things. One:Hillary and Bernie Nussbaum learned well about how to successfully cover up a series of crimes from the time they spent as lawyers working to remove President Nixon from office in 1973-1974.Two:it proves just how useful a few days can be in destroying evidence in a criminal matter,as was the case during the several day period after Vince Foster's death in which Hillary and Nussbaum denied the FBI access to his office.

Always remember one thing...the two best places to learn how to be a successful criminal are prison....and law school! Of all the things that can be said about Clinton,Inc,one thing they can't be called is stupid.Amoral...YES!....but stupid?... NO WAY,JOSE!

Message: Hillary's sure gonna have a whole lotta trouble listening to the people of New York while she's vacationing in the People's Republic of Chappaquidik!

Oooohhhh...this is just too good to be true! Did I read that the editor of this page is a woman who home schools her kid????????? Gee,yet another leftist democrat who thinks that public schools are just the greatest,but won't send her own kid to one! ROTFLMAO!

Let's see now...on the one hand,Amy Carter (for example) attended the DC public schools,but neither Algore,his kids,nor Chelsea did so!

Message: I would have to say that "Daphne Duck" is actually "Bugs" having a (sexual?) identity crisis.

The verdict,according to NBC News,on the JFK,Jr crash:absolutely no evidence of any kind of mechanical failure,therefore,PILOT ERROR!

Beware,women of America,when getting within a 10 mile radius of a Kennedy male. You're unlikely to emerge from such a situation unscathed!

But the story goes:
Webster Hubbell has been a close friend of the Clintons since the mid-1970s
a golfing buddy of Bill's
and was Hillary Rodham Clinton's partner at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock (so was Vice Foster).
After Clinton became president in 1993 he appointed Hubbell associate attorney general.
In 1995 Hubbell pleaded guilty to two felonies for bilking his partners at Rose and was sentenced to 21 months in prison.
On July 1st, 1999, Hubbell pleaded guilty to two charges arising from the Whitewater controversy and was quickly sentenced to one year's probation.

From the L.A. Times: "The proceeding closed a painful episode for the Clintons, particularly for First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. Preparing to kick off her campaign for the U.S. Senate, she had faced the embarrassing prospect of having to testify in August at Hubbell's trial about legal work she and her former law partner did on what investigators maintain was a sham land deal."

At that time, July 1st, Starr said the matter was no closed and the Grand Jury was looking into other matter concerning Hillary Clinton.

Message: "Oooohhhh...this is just too good to be true! Did I read that the editor of this page is a woman who home schools her kid????????? "

This is complete nonsense. Where on earth did you dig this up??????? ROTFLMAO! I do NOT think public schools are the greatest. ROTFLMAO! Where on earth did you dig this crazy stuff up?????? ROTFLMAO! Nobody thinks our public schools are the greatest ROTFLMAO! Obviously you have not been paying attention -- I support vouchers ROTFLMAO! ROTFLMAO! ROTFLMAO!

Message: If Hillary had the dimmest vestige of the character or integrity that she is given credit for, she would run for office in her adopted home of Arkansas, keeping up her splendid record of accomplishment in the state ranked at the bottom of the vast majority of measured norms. Apparently Hillary needs New York more than Arkansas needs Hillary

"Some Republicans have likened Mrs. Clinton to a carpet-bagger - a criticism that Giuliani said he'd steer clear of, calling it 'an issue that voters have to decide for themselves.' 'That's not an issue that I would raise personally with regard to her or anybody else,' Giuliani said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition."

MSNBC reports today that Rudy Giuliani will be headin' down to Ar-kansas to earn some money from the good ol' boy republikins for his Senate campaign 'ginst Hillary.

HA Ha ha. I assume this stunt is supposed to be good for something, like maybe a laugh, only it isn't.

I've been waiting for the first sign of Rudy showing his true campaign colors. Snide tricks, petty stunts and little jabs of hypocricy aimed at Hillary here and there. What did Rudy say a while ago? Why, I believe I posted it. "Some Republicans have likened Mrs. Clinton to a carpet-bagger - a criticism that Giuliani said he'd steer clear of, calling it 'an issue that voters have to decide for themselves.' 'That's not an issue that I would raise personally with regard to her or anybody else,' Giuliani said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition."

You've got a loud mouth, Rudy, and you sure have learned to talk out of both sides of it.

With the exception of the "Hillary for President" which we added, the image comes from MSNBC in early May of 1998. I don't have the time right now, but I will look up the article to prove, as I always do, that you are completely wrong, as you always are!

Once again you are wrong and your hero worship and Ken Starr phobia is BLINDING YOU. Ken Starr NEVER TRIED to indict Hillary - NEVER. The best that propaganda piece could be is somebody's speculation (some liberal reading Ken Starr's mind). Get it through your head - Ken Starr was NEVER tasked with investigating Hillary directly and Ken Starr NEVER TRIED to indict Hillary. You are completely wrong - case closed. Ken Starr may still indict Hillary - but as of yet she has never the primary target, just a peripheral coconspirator - she is just a paranoid person that invented the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Pathetic.

Dawn, your ":RUDY'S ROTTEN STARS AND STRIPES FOREVER" makes absolutely no sense. You showed that he will not use the carpetbagger issue against Hillary and that is bad in your mind because you what him to show his "rotten stars and stripes" which he has yet to do. Dawn, have you been getting into Bugs' pharmaceuticals? That doesn't come close to making sense. Summery - Rudy has not done anything dirty, rotten, or hypocritical yet and that pisses you off. Guess what Dawn - Rudy is not even announced he is running for the Senate and he may not. Boy your Republican-phobia is blinding you.

To clarify what should be obvious - the "Rudy Giuliani will be headin' down to Ar-kansas to earn some money from the good ol' boy republikins for his Senate campaign 'ginst Hillary" was addressing the fact that Hillary is funding her campaign from outside the state of New York (which should be illegal) and this has nothing directly to do with the "carpetbagger" issue (check the history of the term "carpetbagger").

Message: You've got a loud mouth, Rudy, and you sure have learned to talk out of both sides of it.

My, my, my, ... is Hillary worthy of such an emotional response? Ya, that Rudy guy is a regular harasser, groper, rapist enabler. We really have to get disturbed over a menace to society like Rudy. Maybe someday Rudy will help bring down a Savings & Loan or his business partners-friends-clients will be convicted felons.

Once again, DO YOU READ ANY ENTIRE POST BEFORE YOU RESPOND? In case I didn't make myself clear, here is the direct quote from MSNBC. Take it up with John Gibson if you still firmly believe the carpet bagging issue is not involved...

"NY Mayor, his honor, Rudy Giuliani, is heading down to Little Rock, Arkansas and other pts. south to raise a little money for his likely senate campaign against First Lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Ms. Clinton has been fighting charges she is a carpet bagger for running for the senate from NY, where she has never worked or lived. Giuliani says the Arkansas republicans have invited him down to 'talk a spell" and figures he'll have the last laugh on the carpet bag issue so long as the one he carries home from Little Rock is stuffed with campaign cash.%2

Message: Message: EXCERPT from Reuters: "The Clintons led a U.S. delegation that included former President George Bush and former Secretaries of State James Baker and Warren Christopher. The Clintons' daughter Chelsea and Mrs. Clinton's mother Dorothy Rodham also attended. They were to return to Washington late Sunday." Since when did the U.S. include the wife of the president's mother as an OFFICIAL MOURNER at the funeral of the King of Morrocco? Was Mrs. Clinton's mother acquainted with the King except when the U.S. taxpayers SUBSIDIZED Grandma's two trips to Morrocco with Chelsea and Hillary at a purported cost to taxpayers of between $6-9 million? Congress has to make some changes in travel expenditures at taxpayers' expense. Mrs. Clinton's mother has become a world traveler, accompanying the Clintons on many trips including the trip to China last year which cost the U.S. taxpayers $50 million dollars. The high cost included expenses for flying plane loads of vehicles for the president's entourage and a plane load filled with BOTTLED DRINKING WATER. Talk about the AMERICAN TAXPAYER BEING SOAKED!!!!!

Now, let's flashback to what he said earlier: ""Some Republicans have likened Mrs. Clinton to a carpet-bagger - a criticism that Giuliani said he'd steer clear of, calling it 'an issue that voters have to decide for themselves.' 'That's not an issue that I would raise personally with regard to her or anybody else,' Giuliani said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition."

Does Hillary deserve an emotional response? EVERY post you post, Dear LVD, sounds like you are about one razor blade away from suicide. Talk about emotional! Calm down, little visible dog.

Margo, is someone paying you to post the same negative posts over and over again? I'm just curious. You're sort of like the internet's version of a commercial.

I respectfully submit that for the good of Dawn and everyone on the forum that we limit the number of times per day Dawn is allowed to post and require her to attend weekly sessions of HillaryForumAholics Annoynonmous!

LOL, Control Girl. Tell me, when you type "LOL," do you find yourself saying it aloud and then thinking, "Gee, that sounds so stupid, am I sure I want to type it?" But then you do anyway because it's a better way of getting your pt. across than that dopey little smiley face? I struggle with LOL, but eventually I succumb. LOL

I have never been so lucky that it is my bedtime! Keep a night vigil on LVD for me. He was giving me compliments today, saying he agreed with me, and well, you know they say giving away stuff is the first sign of the coming of Vince Foster.

Getting money from outside the state and calling her a carpetbagger are two different issues - SORRY (check the historic meaning of the term carpetbagger - PLEASE!!!!)

Dawn you are desperately trying to connect unrelated issues - that dog won't hunt!

EVERY post you post, Dear LVD, sounds like you are about one razor blade away from suicide. Talk about emotional! Calm down, little visible dog.

Like all liberal mind readers - you are not very good at it. BTW - emotional is in the eyes of the beholder. If I get any calmer or cooler - ALGORE will start screaming about global cooling. Take my advice liberals - stop trying to read other people's minds and spend a little more time thinking about what you are saying (your rant about Rudy still makes no sense).

you know they say giving away stuff is the first sign of the coming of Vince Foster.

Rudy is indirectly addressing the carpetbag issue - whether he gets money or whether he calsl Hillary one to her face- he is still doing something the said he would not do. Getting money from outside is still addressing carpetbagging and this is intended towards the First lady. Rudy said he would not "raise the issue" well he is in his own way

Message: Hillary is a short, frumpy looking carpetbagger (I just committed a grievous sin in liberal la-la-land).

Message: LVD, did you work for a rock & Roll recording studio? Because, all you ever say is an echo of something that was said by someone else. CG who died and made you the editor. Leave Dawn alone, I can't be here all the time to say some kind words for the Democrats. Finally, Margo, you run for office and I'll call you frumpy looking. You are just jealous that she is 1.Intelligent, 2.Famous 3. Forgiving

Message: If you are trying to be like LVD, you are succeeding. Daphne sticks out a :-P to a nony mouse.

LVD, did you work for a rock & Roll recording studio? Because, all you ever say is an echo of something that was said by someone else.

Really Daphne, give me one example! Bet you can't (you liberals constantly make statement you can not back up - quoting the Talking Heads "Same as it every was, same as it ever was…")

Message: Hillary will never actually run for senate. she has no intention of it. she's just going about doing what she does best: sucking up other people's money. Cattle futures anyone?

If you are trying to be like LVD, you are succeeding. Daphne sticks out a :-P to a nony mouse.

Jeepers Daphne, I thought :-P was computer symbol for taking a toke off the crack pipe. Maybe I am wrong...

Message: Hillary Clinton is a lesbian, socialist, dyke, pig; insanely jealous of anyone with more money than her. Which includes just about everyone. The poor bitch doesn't even own a home. If she could just get that worthless horney dog excuse for a husband she has to stop sniffing Monicas fat ass long enough to earn some money. Problem is, the poor bastard has never earned a dime on his own, all he knows to do is suck the government tit.

Message: Mrs.First Lady: Yous got my VOTE! Keep up the good work! God Bless You!

YOU'RE A SLIMEY FELON!

Message: I have read an awful lot of dribble on this web site over the last few weeks. Personal attacks on Hillary, on other politicians, and on others writing to this web site. Frankly, while free speech is the greatest, nonsence is not really the greatest. However, I finally saw something of really great value to us. The nomination and election of Barbara Bush as senator from New York State would be a great tribute to the State of New York. Finally, someone with a truely down-to-earth understanding of the problems facing us and someone with an understanding of what can be done to solve these problems without bankrupting the nation financially and morally. I strongly support and second the nomination of Barbara Bush as sdnator from New York State.

EXCERPT from Reuters: "The Clintons led a U.S. delegation which cost the U.S. taxpayers $50 million dollars. The high cost included expenses for flying plane loads of vehicles for the president's entourage and a plane load filled with BOTTLED DRINKING WATER. Talk about the AMERICAN TAXPAYER BEING SOAKED!!!!!

Ah, who gives a rat's ass Margo? Tell the whole story you sensationalist PIG. Jesus H. Christ, don't get into that media thing of telling the tiniest fraction of the story that will piss off the most people. Act like you are a notch above those primates known as reporters. It costs a lot of money to keep people from shooting other people when they already have their weapons aimed as must be assumed with the President of the most powerful nation in the world, no matter how green the slimey color of his skin.

Now leave me alone. I'm going back to bed. And don't you people let me wake up and find out that more idiots have been here! For God's sake, someone guard the damned door!

Message: Name: Kansas City Louie email: Message: I have read an awful lot of dribble on this web site over the last few weeks. Personal attacks on Hillary, on other politicians, and on others writing to this web site. Frankly, while free speech is the greatest, nonsence is not really the greatest. However, I finally saw something of really great value to us. The nomination and election of Barbara Bush as senator from New York State would be a great tribute to the State of New York. Finally, someone with a truely down-to-earth understanding of the problems facing us and someone with an understanding of what can be done to solve these problems without bankrupting the nation financially and morally. I strongly support and second the nomination of Barbara Bush as senator (sorry for the typo) from New

"Hello. I'm Barbara Bush. Some of the most rewarding experiences of my life have come from working with children. As parents and grandparents, George and I have learned first hand the joys and challenges of raising a family in today's world. That is why I would like to speak with you about an issue of great concern to us both. Over the past several years, there has been a dangerous trend of drug use by young people in our country. More and more are experimenting with illegal drugs and more are using drugs on a regular basis. That is why we are concerned about efforts to legalize marijuana and other illegal substances. Now is not the time to send a message to our young people that marijuana is medicine. It is not. It is a dangerous, illegal drug.''

I appreciate the former First Lady's drug crusade efforts, but disagree. I will support legalizing a drug STRICTLY FOR MEDICINAL PURPOSES. Doesn't elderly Barbara Bush have sympathy for people with arthritis, whom mary jane helps?

Well,Mrs Bush is no less a citizen of New York than is Hillary,and none of her good buddies have ever been heard to speak of a need to "roll over one more time" for her,let alone felt the need to put a bullet in their head while doing legal work for her.

Message: What any politician might say about the legalization of marijuana is irrelivant. I can get it anytime, day or night, for a reasonable price. I've been getting wasted for 20 years and I still buy weed from the same guy that I was buying it from in High School. The law, in this case, is a joke.

When they make guns illegal, same deal. All they make are a bunch more "criminals" that they will never catch and waste a bunch of money trying. Pointless stupidity (the one thing we can count on from politicians!). Hell, I hope it stays illegal. I hate giving the Feds any tax money I don't have to!

1)Marry a guy who becomes Attorney General,and then Govenor,of a small hillbilly State

2)Get yourself a partnership in said hillybilly State's largest law firm on the day said Govenor is sworn in.

5)When suspicions are raised and hillbilly pals start pleading guilty/getting convicted,employ every method available to obstruct the investigations... as taught to you at Yale Law School.

Message: Can somebody post instructions for posting gifs and jpgs to this site? I've done it on similar websites in the past,but that method doesn't work here.Thanks.

"There she comes, the old battle ax. There she is with Chelsea in tow."

I remember seeing Babs Bush on a Christmas(?) special once. She was hanging decorations on a tree, and all I could think was how rudely she was treating her black female maid/slave.

We don't need an octogenarian for Senator. Hillary is younger, smarter, and virile. We need someone with mental STAMINA.

I am asking for your support in our effort to make equal access to information for all adult adopted persons become a reality in this country.

Kansas has had original birth records opened to adult adoptees since 1951, without any problems! Alaska, also, has opened their records. And Tennessee has passed an open records bill which has not yet been implemented.

Several other states are in the process of drafting open records bills, including Texas.

Mrs. Bush, I am a 59 year old adopted woman in IL, and I am still denied access to my original birth records. Can you believe that? Not only am I completely in the dark about my identity, my medical history, my ethnicity and my ancestors, but my two adult children, ages 27 and 31, are also being denied all of this information

I believe that government should not interfere in the management of adult citizens' personal lives. Why would anyone want a government agency managing such an important issue as learning one's own identity? This is a human right, and should be enjoyed by all.

You and Pres. Bush are very influential persons. I ask you both to help us in our quest for open records for all adult adopted persons. Since Texas is considering such a bill right now, I would beg you to discuss this matter with your son, Governor Bush.

Member of Illinois Coalition for Truth in Adoption, American Adoption Congress, Bastard Nation

Message:

MAMMY, YOU DESTROYED MY TREE!!!

That's 30 lashes for you! You in the Big House now, girl!

Control Girl. Tell me, when you type "LOL," do you find yourself saying it aloud and then thinking, "Gee, that sounds so stupid, am I sure I want to type it?"

No, I don't usually type that. My adding LOL is often a ploy to keep from getting lambasted for smart-ass remarks. We all do it. I try to mix it up with *smile*, LOL, LMAO and the ever popular ROTFLMAO. When I am really feeling mean, it might even be ROTFFLMFAO. (Two of the three F's stand for FUCKing).

BTW, didn't I ask that the dumbasses be kept out of here while I napped. I vote we kick Kansas City Louie in the ass, tar and feather him and string him up by his *****.

Also, BTW, I see you have not made your ForumAholics meeting today. Baaaad Dawn! This shit is addictive. You've got it bad! Seek help before you start having pup maggots crawl out of your ears! (Get it, LVDog, pup...never mind. Guess you had to be there.)

LVD likes to beat up on me. I haven't given him any ammo in a couple of weeks. Come on LVD! Gimme your best shot. Hit me right in the X.

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(Hint for Dawn: You gotta leave a big targets for those pups or they miss. They still squat to pee. ROTFFLMFAO)
It's a joke son! A joke ah said! ~Foghorn Leghorn

Message: Never been polled but want to add my name to the "supporters" list. I am born and raised in NYS and reside in Albany, the capital of our state. The First Lady cares for PEOPLE - not bankers, corporate fat cats, or special interests. We are very lucky to have her interest.

Message: I hope that someday you write a book about your life in the as First Lady. I believe the people of the United States are tired of hearing about scandals involving your husband's administration and would like to hear about your everyday life in the White House, such as what has it been like to be the first lady of the land. Also what modifications and changes have been made to the White House itself while your husband has been in office. I am not interested in scandals. We have heard enough of that. It is true that you and your family live in a glass bowl, but instead of being shown the bad things, please show what the good things are when living in the White House. Thank you.

Message: Oh, I guess she just vacations with them. It must be so difficult to choose, Hilton Head or Martha's Vineyard. LOL

Dawn you do not keep up with the subject - the first shops that sold medical marijuana where quickly busted as fronts for selling marijuana to the general public - mostly young people. I was out in San Francisco when the started busting this shops. Barbara was on top the issue and her comments were right on - Dawn your comment reflects strong idealism that is disconnected with reality. BTW is elderly Hillary in support of medical marijuana - I don't think so (but I am not positive).

What is this Dawn - anything to bash the other side? BTW - the "elderly" comment was a low blow and shows a prejudice toward people of age (ageism).

Medical marijuana is not a bad idea - the problem is as some as it is allow people us the loop hole as a distribution channel to the general public.

I remember seeing Babs Bush on a Christmas(?) special once. She was hanging decorations on a tree, and all I could think was how rudely she was treating her black female maid/slave.

Speaking of anything to defect pathetic Hillary - this statement is shameful and - dare I say - hateful. The black female maid/slave thing smack of bigotry - how do you know the job of the person or did you just assume all black women are slaves or maids. Dawn, you can do a lot better then this.

What is this? Guilt by innuendo? Guilt by guess. If you do not know if BB responded what the heck is your point (not counting the one on the top of your head).

LVD likes to beat up on me. I haven't given him any ammo in a couple of weeks. Come on LVD! Gimme your best shot. Hit me right in the X.

CC you are obviously starting another manic swing - for a couple of weeks you were calm and rational and now you are calling people names, telling people they should not be allow to express there appointions, and worst of all - saying bad things about everybody's friend, the Last Visible Dog (me). Your mood swings are at least entertaining.

Naw LVD, I am not having a mood swing. I am sick. I have a virus. I'm drugged out of my mind. I'm tired. I have a sore throat. I currently thrive on whining and am bored out of my skull. I'll spare you any details about excess body fluids, but I'm glad you find my soliloquies on boredom entertaining. I do try.

And that was a really lousy shot. I know you are worthy of better. Come on! Pretend I am Hillary! Do I have to draw you an even bigger X? I'm bored. Help me out here!

Let's just keep things like they are right now. I can get it right now anytime day or night in good quality at a decent price, from nice people. I'd hate to see what kind of taxes the feds would put on it.

It is pressing the "C" key instead of the "G" - I liked it so much I did it twice.

I don't take shots - I am just a lovable lap dog. (Not to be confused with a lap dance, unless I really like you)

The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy seems to have changed a word in my message (really I use a spellchecker so I don't believe I did it). It was opinions! Second answer, CG you silly uneducated person - appointions is a Latin word meaning "to express one's self in the form of bodily gases".

Wow you must be hard up - if all you can do is make fun of misspelling (that is irony). I find it funny that I always rag on people for poorly constructed message when I am the worst offender - I have been wondering when somebody is going to "return fire". I guess most people are so overwhelming by my superior intellectual ability that they find it impossible to retort in any way.

Don't forget the Blair Witch lives only a few miles from me - so watch you step.

Message: P.S. How's Gwen? Is she walking yet? On table food? Saying anything cute? Interested in the potty? Applying to Harvard? We gotta get that 2050 President in shape early you know? Fill us in!

P.P.S. Does Gwen like Sesame Street, Winnie the Pooh, Blue's Clues or Teletubbies best?

Message: Well we got a witch down our way too: The Bell Witch! So I ain't a' skeered o' you!

P.S. I am silly, but not uneducated. I haven't had any Latin since 6th grade, so I guess it fell out of my head! (Come on that's an easy open! Take it!)

Message: I recently met a guy from South Africa that tells me that Esme is a STRONG, GOOD female name in their country! He He. I forgot his name. It was some name that reminds me of Pablo Escobar. LOL

Message: I was just looking at Barbara Bush's chocolate chip cookie recipe. Day-am! 74 fat grams per serving. No wonder Babs is a bit on the chunky side! I bet she even used them really big chocolate chips.
Gawd, I'm bored!

P.S. How's Gwen? Is she walking yet? On table food? Saying anything cute? Interested in the potty? Applying to Harvard? We gotta get that 2050 President in shape early you know? Fill us in!

P.P.S. Does Gwen like Sesame Street, Winnie the Pooh, Blue's Clues or Teletubbies best?

Well, for those of you keeping score - Guinevere is 5 months old and while she does watch the TV, she does not seem all that interested in what is actually on. Dylan is in the middle - he is 22 months old and he is known to do tubbies (visually speaking)- among other things. Rhiannon, the oldest at 3.5 years old does the spectrum - Pooh, Blue's, Tubbies, Street (Alice in Wonderland when she is feeling freaky "one pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small…") - you name it! That is correct - we had three children within about 3 years - 3 rug rats from .5 to 3.5 and in the words of Sam Kinison: If you see me out in my front yard could you please SHOOT ME!

Message: Animal rights activists vow to dog Gore campaign Updated 1:02 PM ET July 27, 1999 By Alan Elsner, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As if he did not have enough troubles, Vice President Al Gore has gained a new opponent -- animal rights activists who say he is condemning millions of animals to die in cruel and unnecessary tests.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the largest animal rights group in the United States, launched a television campaign against Gore Tuesday, accusing him of sponsoring a program to test the toxicity of some 2,000 chemicals on animals.

"Approximately one million animals are to be killed in this program, which is based on sloppy science," said Jessica Sandler, a former government safety official who works for PETA.

The group already has purchased advertisements in the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, as well as newspapers in Gore's home state of Tennessee and in New Hampshire, which next February will stage the first primary of the presidential campaign.

It also unveiled a television spot featuring actress Bea Arthur, ridiculing Gore for past missteps and accusing him of condemning millions of innocent creatures to death.

"He actually wants to poison and kill millions of them, just to prove things like turpentine and rat poison are dangerous. Didn't we already know that?" Arthur says in the commercial.

The group also has taken to following Gore around on the campaign trail with an activist dressed up as a six-foot tall "Gorey bunny."

Gore spokesman Chris Lehane said Gore was supporting a program devised by the Environmental Protection Agency that aimed to discover the effect that some 2,000 different chemicals had on humans, especially children.

"We just don't know how dangerous these chemicals are and we need to find out so that we can protect our citizens and our children," Lehane said.

"We respect the activists for their beliefs but we think we are acting for the greater good," he said.

The PETA campaign is the latest example of how even a relatively small group of activists devoted to a single cause can embarrass political candidates and impact campaigns.

In June Gore's formal speech announcing his presidential candidacy was marred by a small group of heckling AIDS activists who accused him of conspiring with the pharmaceutical industry to deny affordable drugs to South Africans infected with HIV.

Gore, seeking the 2000 Democratic nomination, trails George W. Bush, the front-runner for the Republican nomination, by 15-20 percentage points in polls. Gore also faces a serious challenge for the Democratic nomination from former New Jersey Sen. Bill Bradley.

His campaign has been dogged by a series of minor missteps, not all of them his responsibility, such as his paddling expedition last week on the Connecticut River.

It turned into an embarrassment after it was revealed that authorities had released thousands of gallons of water to ensure that the vice presidential canoe did not run aground.

In the 1996 campaign, Republican candidate Bob Dole was followed for months by "Butt Man," who appeared at his rallies dressed as a giant cigarette. "Butt Man," sponsored by the Democratic Party, was supposed to highlight Dole's alleged opposition to anti-smoking legislation. It proved a major embarrassment to Dole and kept the smoking issue in the forefront of the campaign.

PETA said many of the chemicals on the list of those to be tested had been identified as toxic for decades and did not require further animal testing.

The group also argued that animal tests cannot predict what would happen to humans exposed to the chemicals and that the tests even may enable chemical companies to manipulate the data in order to keep highly toxic materials in the marketplace.

Message: LOL @ LVD...you poor thing. I thought about Rhiannon if mine was a girl. Elizabeth Rhiannon was my choice for a long time, but then settled on Elizabeth Jenna because of the witch thing with Rhiannon and nutty Christian parents. Anyway, it was a boy, so it's a moot point.

Message: P.S. to LVD Is she preggers again yet? LOL Maybe this time it'll be twins.

Message: The democrats are about to nominate Mike Dukakis...again...in 2000.And once again, a man named Bush will be there to pick up the challenge!

Message: Isn't it amazing how Right Wingers think polls are B.S. whenever they show that Americans did not want Clinton impeached, and whenever they show how popular Bill Clinton is?...yet they keep quoting polls about Rudeman Giulliani leading Hillary! They are the ultimate Hypocrites!!!!! LOLOLOL

Elizabeth Rhiannon was my choice for a long time, but then settled on Elizabeth Jenna because of the witch thing with Rhiannon and nutty Christian parents.

Rhiannon is a common name in Wales and I have a feeling they are not all witches - hey, if our Rhiannon could be a witch like Sam in Bewitched - that would be cool. "Rhiannon, I want a Porche"

Nope - the baby factory had been shut down and dismantled - if we have another baby it will be the foundation of a new religion (can you say Immaculate Conception?)

Message: There is a Federal law that forces us to buy and use new low-flow toilets, and they are intended to save water. But some lawmakers complain that you have to flush again - and maybe again - to rinse all waste out of the bowl and thereby you use more water than before.
Dozens of complaints from consumers were written on toilet paper. Their message is clear and straightforward: Get the federal government out of my bathroom.

On another subject:
The EPA forced us to consume a gasoline additive used to improve air quality, and now it has been shown to be contaminating our water supplies. It causes cancer and it smells really, really bad.

Why does anyone think the government can do any better with my retirement money?

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sn't it amazing how Right Wingers think polls are B.S. whenever they show that Americans did not want Clinton impeached, and whenever they show how popular Bill Clinton is?...yet they keep quoting polls about Rudeman Giulliani leading Hillary! They are the ultimate Hypocrites!!!!! LOLOLOL

Our little buddy David is back - with more erroneous statements. Davie, Right Winger don't think polls are BS and I challenge you to produce a quote or any other evidence to support your silly statement. Right Wingers think it is BS to base you political career on the polls - like Bill "weasel boy" Clinton. Clinton has no morals or principles, he just flaps in the wind of the public opinion polls, whatever way the polls go - weasel boy follows. That is what Right Wingers think is BS. BTW - you still don't understand that LOLOLOL would be "laughing out laughing our laughing out laughing" or "laughing out loud out laughing out loud" or some other nonsense - JEEPERS Davie, you can't even get newsgroup shorthand right! (not to mention that much "laughing out loud" makes you sound like a lunatic).

Party on David - BUT STAY AWAY FROM THE CRACK (you know what it did to you last time!)

HEY, David - take the sex talk elsewhere, this is a political forum (heaven knows you could not mean "lick" as in "beat", nobody is that naïve).

God, what did I do to deserve having LVD on my tail every time I post? Please tell me. I promise to be better.

All I said was that I would support legalizing certain drugs for medicinal purposes. Where you have to have them prescribed to you by a doctor. End of story.

"BTW - the "elderly" comment was a low blow and shows a prejudice toward people of age (ageism)." I know very well what ageism is, and still think we need younger blood than the thinning blood Barbara has to contend with. She's too old for my taste. I don't trust Grandma to represent me.

"Speaking of anything to defect pathetic Hillary - this statement is shameful and - dare I say - hateful. The black female maid/slave thing smack of bigotry" I called her a "slave" in sarcasm, you know, "jest," because this is how shameless Barbara was treating her. It was a jab at Babs, but you tried, unsuccessfully, to spin it into a display of racism. I don't believe the color of one's skin says anything more about them than just that.

Message: Hey big fat buddy, LOLOL You may not believe this but I really am laughing at you when I type LOL. I guess one should not assume that Rudeman Giulliani will win based on polls either!!!! My goodness right wingers are really mixed up aren't they!!!!! Remember, BVD.....Hillary Bashing is a curable neurosis!!!!! There is hope for you!!! Maybe you should try getting a life first, and then quite your job in Rudeman Giulliani's campaign office!!!!! Time for me to go, and have a wonderful mean spirited, right winger day!!!

It seems that the southern republicans who invited Fooliani down to sit and "talk a spell" were actually hoping to bend his ear a little on the issue of (dare I say?) the "a" word.

Yes indeed, the gov of Ark said he has future hopes to try to influence Rudy away from his current pro-choice stance. Hmmmm....how do pro-choice New Yorkers feel about this conspicous attempt at political swaying? Especially when the swayer is a staunch republican governor from Arkansas who wants to whisper sweet nothings while simultaneously contributing to Rudy's likely-maybe-hopefully NOT Senate run?

LOLOL You may not believe this but I really am laughing at you when I type LOL.

Really, and what are you doing when you type "LOLOL" - does it involved long sessions in the bathroom with the door locked - on second thought, we don't want to know.

I guess one should not assume that Rudeman Giulliani will win based on polls either!!!!

You are free to believe whatever you want - the Democrat Socialists have not turned this country in to old Russia - yet.

I have no idea what you are taking about - maybe you should spend more time formulating statements and less time holding down the exclamation mark key. Just some advice.

Who is bashing Hillary, Exclamation Mark Boy? It is not me. (unless you consider the word pathetic in close proximity to the name Hillary - bashing)

More brain-dead Liberal psychic friends network. Exclamation Mark Boy - how the heck do you know anything about my life. Here is a quiz: Where do I live (this is easy, I have posted the answer on the forum before). What are my kids names (even easier!), Where did I go to college? What famous bands have I been in? What Bass Guitar manufacturer did I do endorsements for? What is my wife's name? What month and year was she in Playboy? Let's see if you really know me…

Why would you want to go and have a "mean spirited day"? Are you that mean spirited? Let me guess - you did not exactly want that sentence to say what it does, you were just too lazy to properly construct the sentence.

So, you think that assuming that any African American women in the White House is either a maid or a slave is a "funny" statement? Where did you get your humor - KKK rallies. Do you still assume the women with Barbara Bush must be a maid or slave because she is Africa American? She may (likely) have been a friend or a diplomat - you just assumed - Black=maid/slave. BTW - Slavery has been outlawed in this country for something like 130 years - sounds like you are pining for the good ole days of the pre-Civil War South. I am surprised at you Dawn, I thought that Democrat were not supposed to be racists (guess it is more hype). BTW - Dawn, when did you stop beating your wife?

Dawn - you better learn to go easy on your Barbara Bush bashing because it can backfire and expose you as racist even if that was not you intention or predisposition.

Dawn, you are not the best attack dog - better leave that to professionals like James Carville.

Now that Rudy has given his tat for Hillary's, well, you know, I think he has OFFICIALLY lost his right to ever berate, chide, chastize, castigate, vilify or otherwise rag her about the carpet bagger issue EVER AGAIN. Now that he has, in HIS eyes, lowered himself to her level, he should forfeit any and all future pretenses of being "above" his likely opponent.

NY, how do you feel about your mayor making the carpet-bagger issue, of which he said he would leave solely up to you, his main issue? Would you prefer he discuss education, crime, drugs, healthcare, taxes...or do you encourage his continued beating of a dead horse because it's, of course, more important to get some "really good jabs in" at your opponent?

You are UNBELIEVABLE. YOU are the only one that wants to hype this up into a "statement," LVD. You're milking this for all it's worth. Don't you have any compunctions? I utter the word "slave" and you see the opportunity to attack me by taking it OUT of context. You have a vicious habit of taking things OUT OF CONTEXT. Example: you accuse me of being racist. Then you proceed to link me to all Democrats when guess what? I've never conceded to which party I am affiliated. So you are not as perceptive as you like to think. Furthermore, I believe we had this discussion before about speaking for ALL people of any group. You apologized and said you shouldn't do it. Short memory. Also, in line with the short memory, I believe you were the one who said liberals couldn't take a joke. Seems you can't either.

Also, are you honestly that dense??!! I said slave because that was the I perceived Barbara as treating her. Does that in any way to you, in your twisted, warped mind, say that I said that I personally believe that all black women are maids or slaves because they are black? The woman was a White House Maid. I'm sorry if this pt. upsets you. If you don't think black women should have the choice to work as maids if they choose but don't deserve to be treated rudely by the white women they serve, you should discuss this with Barbara.

I honestly don't understand your mindset. You show a predilection of simply NOT GETTING IT. You still don't understand what I meant by the "coming of Vince Foster," do you? Are you slow or what?

I don't frankly care if YOU think I'm the best attack dog or not. What makes you think I or anybody else on this forum care so much about YOUR opinion? You need to watch that head of yours before it gets any bigger. You attack every one who doesn't post to your liking, and then make the utterly ridiculous statements of being of "superior intelligence."

Gee LVD, let's see, now how can I take this statement you made out of "jest" or "sarcasm" to get a pt across in a previous post severely OUT OF CONTEXT? Why, I know, I can just post the one sentence and then make something up about what you really meant. You do it all the time. Listen and learn.

Are you making "fun" or "jesting" about domestic violence, LVD? I assume you think joking about domestic violence is a "funny statement." I guess you are pining for the good ol' days when women were property. Good ol days when the man could beat his wife with a stick no bigger than his thumb. I'm shocked at you, LVD. You better go easy on bashing me

So you think because I espouse feminist principles, I must be gay. I may likely be straight OR gay - but you just assumed - feminist=gay. You must be a misogynist and a bigot because you assume that all feminists are homosexual. I guess you were pining for the days when gay people had to live their lives in the closet and were persecuted more than today. LVD, you better go easy on bashing me because it can expose your love of hate crimes even if this was not your intention or predisposition.

Wow, that was easy. I see now why 90 percent of your posts are written so expeditiously.

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Message: Why do you keep reminding us that Hillary is a carpetbagger? (lets make that a frumpy carpetbagger)

Gosh, another hysterical tantrum from some lefty against LVD. Further proof that the greatest sin in Liberal la-la-land is to offend a liberal (such humility these libs' have).

A tantrum? That's an extreme characterization given I've been the victim of his stunts recently. Also, some of his postings result in the deconstruction of forum discussion as opposed to construction. We can't participate in a valid discussion of the issues if we have to defend our statements that have been severely taken out of context.

And hey, lay off the Hill! She's not frumpy. She's just a middle-aged woman and that is what happens. (OOPS. I guess now I will be accused of ageism by LVD. See if I care.) Gravity takes over. And hey, she's not even that much out of shape.

I actually still like the black suit. But I would like to see her in a navy - gray combo. Pink - been there; red - done that. But a navy-gray color scheme would still afford her some power and yet the gray could soften her up a bit. Not too feminine here, but that's not really what she needs to be wearing now. NO MORE PINK HILLARY!

Message: Hillary's answer to: 1) CRIME 2) EDUCATION 3) MEDICARE 4) SOCIAL SECURITY 5) DRUGS 6) VIOLENCE Two Words: BIG GOVERNMENT

Message: I think Hillary would look good in a black and white striped number-with a number across the back (I couldn't resist).

Message: Queen Hillary is a royal bitch that would not cross the street to spit on most of her 'supporters'. If the supporters of the Felon's would pay the higher taxes they imposed, and left mine alone, I would stop blocking her reign in New York. You fucking Sheep! Go back to Mexico and Africa! Your American's! Does Oprah do all your thinking for you now?

Message: HILLARY STALLS AT 10 POINTS BACK: JUNE 1999 HILL 40.2, RUDY 50.4 JULY 1999 HILL 39.4, RUDY 49.1 POLL OF LIKELY VOTERS RELEASED TODAY

LOL, but you forgot to mention the ball and chain. Oh wait, she's already got Bill! What am I saying??!

Message: Home AP - Giuliani May Net $200,000 in South It is good to see that the press coverage is fair! The fact that you waste our tax resources not to mention your hubbies time which is suppose to be spent on "we the people" is terrible, but I guess he has spent most of is time in office focused on things other than we the people...like saving his hide from trouble! http://www/V3/newsfeed/stories/g/print/giulianiarkansas.htm

I've discovered what might be the root cause of many of the nation's problems. It hurts me to my heart to own up to it; but a large percentage of Americans are either misinformed, stupid or both.

You say, "Whoa there, Williams. This time you've gone too far!" Let's look at it. Fox News Opinion Dynamics conducted a survey. On July 16, the results were reported on its website by Fox News reporter Dana Blanton. One question asked, "Some people say the government has plenty of money of its own and it should be spent on programs. Other people say that the government has no money except that which it takes from citizens in taxes. Which do you believe?"

Thirty-nine percent of the respondents said the government has no money except what it takes from citizens in taxes. Eleven percent said neither or they weren't sure. But get this: 50 percent said the government has plenty of money of its own.

*Choice for Senator*	*Jan. '99*	*March '99*	*May' 99*	*June '99*	*July '99*
Hillary	39.2%	36.9%	43.7%	40.2%	39.4%
Rudy	46.6%	48.4%	49.3%	50.4%	49.1%

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"Again, we need the govt. to control the campaign process."

"BERNIE,ARE YOU HIDING SOMETHING?"

YOU'RE A SLIMEY FELON!

"There she comes, the old battle ax. There she is with Chelsea in tow."