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Message: Hi,
Just wanted to congratulate a fellow South African on your amazing achievement. We saw an extensive report on the 8 PM news bulletin about your website. Also best wishes to Hillary for her forthcoming campaign. I think she'll do a good job.
best regards
Anthony Krijger

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My compliments on Forum 100. Nice work. It's been a long year or so hasn't it? Let's just hope we get to enjoy and agonize our way through another one...

In a recent speech to the NAACP, Vice President Gore said his father lost his Senate seat because he supported civil rights legislation. Fellow black Americans, let me set history straight. Al Gore, Sr., together with the rest of the southern Democrats, voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In addition, his father voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 along with fellow southern Democrats, and he also sent Al Gore Jr. to an elite private school to keep his son from attending school with blacks. Congressional Quarterly reported that, in the House of Representatives, 61% of Democrats (152 for, 96 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act as opposed to 80% of Republicans (138 for, 38 against). In the Senate, 69% of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) voted for the Act while 82% of Republicans did (27 for, 6 against). All southern Democrats voted against the Act.

Message: This campaign has started way to soon. We need some speaches. I can't wait to hear about Hillary's plans to turn America into the Ricky Lake Nation. It should go something like this "I am proud to be running for the chance to serve the great state of New Hampsh...I mean New Yor... Where the hell am I??? Oh yes New York. My issue is that of equality. There are way too many intelligent conservatives scheming to get me and my husband. So if elected I will help ensure that all Americans get a sixth grade education. The tax dollars saved by eliminating grades 7 thru 12 could be used to build statues in my honor as well as to give free homes and cars and medical insurence and clothing and food and entertainment and paychecks to every American regardless of their race, religion or social background. Then when all americans have an equal 6th grade education everyone will buy into my ridiculous policies and cheer for me".

Message: Thank you for the 48 seconds of flying info. It was very educational. I have 44 hours flying a Cessna 72. I never even flew on a bright sunny day if I saw too many clouds in the sky, and I never dreamed of flying at night without instrument training. Kennedy only had 46 hours of flying experience and no instrument training. From personal experience I consider that almost nothing and am stunned that he attempted to fly at night.

During my flying days I became aware of the fact that too many of the pilots who crashed were doctors. My manuals informed me that my observations were indeed true. There was some controversy as to why this was so. Some said that it was because doctors have a tight schedule and push the limits of their plane in an attempt to beat the elements. Trying to beat the elements seemed to be the main reason why they crashed. Others said that doctors have a "God complex" and believed they could do what other more conservative humans could not.

I'm wondering if this "God complex" was a factor with JFK? I'm very saddened by this tragic accident. JFK Jr was a good person, full of promise. I feel robbed.

Wow. One of my posts made into the archives. And I didn't even sign my name. Oh bittersweet irony!!

Zippy, I don't think one should be quick to call John Jr. an "arrogant fool." The characterization seems undeserved. He may have made a very bad judgment call. We all do. Luckily, none on this scale (yet). But we have no proof that he didn't honestly believe it was safe to fly. If this is true, then it's a bad judgment call, but not arrogance.

I'm not so sure I understand your hostility. Of all the Kennedy's, he seemed to be the most down-to-earth. He NEVER impressed me as arrogant.

By the way, did anyone see Hillary, Chelsea and Bill strolling hand in hand today before Bill gave his speech on John Jr.? Hillary looked like a wet rat. Did she just jump out of the pool or what??

That's actually more like "Broken News". Clinton did NOTHING to lower the crime rate. The Republican Majority, which has an actual history of being tough on crime, are the ones with the hands on ability to change crime rates. Congressmen, Governers, Mayors and Police Chiefs make the difference, not some blow hard (pardon the pun) who runs around claiming victory for "his ideas" after stealing them from the Republicans. Try again. (And I'll scold you again for lying again like your criminal hero again...)

I appreciate your caution against making snap judgements, however... I've spoken with several pilots and they are absolutely unanimous in their assertion that every pilot is warned about the utter foolishness of flying blind without extensive Instrument Training. They all know it's suicide if their instructor is even half decent. I'm sure Kennedy had a first rate instructor. I can only assume he was warned, repeatedly. He chose to ignore the warning and he and two others died. He committed manslaughter at least through his total disregard for his training and common sense. He did not have the right to kill those people any more than a drunk driver has a right to kill you. It was utterly stupid, tragic and preventable. Read the 48 seconds post above...

I just don't know why they would let someone without proven instrument training in a plane to begin with. I think he just found himself in a situation that he wasn't comfortable with and simply panicked. Nonetheless, the media onslaught of coverage has begun and, no disrespect for the dead, but we'll hear about this for quite a while.

Mr. Gore, who famously credited himself with invention of the Internet and later said he grew up behind a team of farm mules, recently told National Public Radio's Bob Edwards: "I certainly learned a great deal from 3,000 town hall meetings across my home state of Tennessee over a 16-year period."

The Competitive Enterprise Institute's monthly newsletter, CEI UpDate, remarks in its July edition: "Do the math. That's 187 town hall meetings per year, or a meeting in Tennessee every other day for 16 years, including weekends, holidays, vacations, and time spent running for president in 1988 and for vice president in 1992. Don't forget the amount of time he had to spend in Washington as a member of Congress, which is a full-time job, or the hours spent burning the midnight oil writing 'Earth in the Balance.' Makes you wonder where he found the time to invent the Internet."

I just don't know why they would let someone without proven instrument training in a plane to begin with.

I'm willing to bet he broke at least a few laws in doing so but the press will never report that a member of the Kennedy Aristocracy actually did something wrong. If they had the balls to do that Ted would still be in jail!

Does anyone know if Jon-Jon broke any laws Killing his Wife and Sister-in-law? (I'd bet you could almost make a case for Suicide and that's definitely against the law.)

In all of my posts about Kennedy I have made the assumption that pilot error (lack of training) caused the accident. If this turns out not to be the case (assuming there is no real evidence of a cover up, which I'll bet they're working on as we speak) I will take back everything. Just trying to be fair...

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GOP congressman defects to Democrats
Forbes blasts party leaders

REP. MICHAEL FORBES, who represents the eastern tip of New York�s Long Island, told reporters at his home that the Republican Party �has become an angry, narrow-minded, intolerant and uncaring majority, incapable of governing at all, much less from the center, and tone-deaf to the concerns of a vast majority of Americans.�MORE...

So young, so beautiful, and so much promise
John & Carolyn - Farewell - We hardly knew ye

Message: ".....but the press will never report that a member of the Kennedy Aristocracy actually did something wrong."

We are listening to different news broadcasts -- I am hearing a LOT of broadcasts from commercial pilots telling us that was a risk to fly over the water in a single engine plane, and an even bigger risk to fly at night without instrument training.

The British press blasts and trashes John F. Kennedy Jr. in front page headlines on Monday!

"Insanity" screeches THE MIRROR. "Tragic John F Kennedy Jr was a rookie pilot with just 46 hours flying time, it was revealed last night..."

"Kennedy 'Had A Death Wish'" blares the DAILY MAIL. "All hope faded for John F. Kennedy Jnr last night as a picture emerged of the blend of recklessness and arrogance which led to his death..."

While THE EXPRESS slams Kennedy with "Last Fatal Risk of a Daredevil". "John F Kennedy Jnr died as he lived, pursuing a passion with a reckless disregard for his safety..."

Allow me to rephrase:
The press will never report that a member of the Kennedy Aristocracy actually did something illegal. Stupid, yes, but then that's the worst they would call Perjury when Clinton did it...

Message: To no name and no email; hey, did you here the latest? It's true! Bill Clinton pounded the last spike through Jesus Christ's palm. Really! He was the cause of last year's killer hurricane also! Oh man, we've got to get this guy before he kills all of us!

Message: To Zippy the whatever; Man, you simply have no credibility because your blatant hatred blinds your better judgement. It's people like you that got President Clinton re-elected in the first place. The American people are afraid of the hatred you people spew towards a fellow American citizen. Regardless of the fact you may disagree with another persons viewpoints. Your blind hatred simply paints your views into a corner from which you will never escape. You have made a mockery of yourself.

The newscaster just proclaimed John Jr.'s death as the official "end of Camelot."

"The magazine's Jonathan Alter reports that Kennedy might well have run for the U.S. Senate from New York in 2000 if First Lady Hillary Clinton had not begun a campaign. "A close friend" tells Alter that Kennedy "was very quietly exploring a campaign before Mrs. Clinton expressed interest" and it was "only a matter of time before he ran for something."

Gee, now the people who keep posting the list of FOB's that have died have a yet another mystery death to add to their conspiracy list.

...you simply have no credibility because your blatant hatred blinds your better judgement.

Would you care to support that baseless, personal attack with some evidence or are you just another Mindless Liberal spewing personal attacks when confronted with factual data. Credibility? Please. The only thing I hate is ignorance, especially willing ignorance. If you can't give me any examples of what you label "hate" then you're the one with no credibility. (A Clinton Supporter accusing me of having a credibility problem?! Talk about irony!)

I wonder what excuse Clinton will make for doing nothing when his Communist Chinese buds invade Taiwan? After the failed action in the Balkans we don't even have enough muscle left to make a good show of it...

Message: So many Ass Kissers on this site. Bottom line Hillary dose not have a rats ass ass of a chance of becoming Senator of New York. The press is just building her up so they can completly destroy her. You poor Liberals, stop dreaming and get a life and a real job. Fools!

Message: Dear Mrs. First Lady:We love you! I live in the upper West side of New York City. Its hot today! I hope you gots my other messages. You gots to reform the welfare system. Gots 5 babies and its hard to make ends meet. You got my vote and my Brothers and Sisters! Good luck Mrs. First Lady...God bless you!

Message: "This family continues to bury its young and bright... Perhaps in part it is a false sense of invulnerability, the kind of feeling Princess Diana must also have had.... It is always, always a tragedy to lose anyone with the ability to make a difference in this world." -- Suzanne Core, July 18, 1999

No, Zippy, it's evern worse that that! We're getting porno-spammed by something named "Boomer"!!!

Message: One thing that upsets me about JFK jr ordeal is the hugh press the Kennedy family is now receiving. For a moment think about the Bissett family who lost two daughters. TWO DAUGHTERS because of the incompetence and poor judgement of one JFK jr! That should be the real story.

"One thing that upsets me about JFK jr ordeal is the hugh press the Kennedy family is now receiving. ...think about the Bissett family who lost TWO DAUGHTERS because of the incompetence and poor judgement of one JFK jr! That should be the real story."

The media vultures are feasting on John-John for now. They'll get around to the other lives that were lost once they have completely sucked the life out of this story.

Message: "The media vultures are feasting on John-John for now. They'll get around to the other lives that were lost once they have completely sucked the life out of this story."

Yes, but I was talking about the story as it should be, not as it is i.e. if the press had an honest bone anywhere. Is the real story "another Kennedy dies" or should it be "two sisters die as the result of an incompetent Kennedy with a God complex taking stupid risks"

Personally, I think the press should be concentrating on the other issues surfacing as a direct result of this tragedy.

ThuBULLY opined/dictated: "So many Ass Kissers on this site.....get a life and a real job."

I OBJECT!! You don't think kissing Hillary's ass IS a full-time job!? With all the bashers that glom on to this site like a swarm of fruit flies, people who do support Hillary have to work 24/7 - with no reprieve!!!

(Washington, D.C.) On July 19, 1999, it will be 30 years since the death of Mary Jo Kopechne at Chappaquidick, Massachusetts in a car accident involving Senator Ted Kennedy. In response to Monday's announcement that the White House and Senator Ted Kennedy plan a "Hate Crimes Summit", the political theater group called the "Ted Kennedy Swim Team"visited Senate and news media offices in Washington.

On Tuesday, men in black scuba outfits hand-delivered announcements promoting the return of the Ted Kennedy Swim Team on Monday, July 19, 11 a.m. on the Southwest corner at the Upper Senate Park at Delaware and Constitution Avenues, Northwest.

On Tuesday, July 13th, wearing scuba suits, goggles and with snorkels affixed to their heads, the mock undersea squad visited the political desks of the Washington Post, the Associated Press and the Los Angeles Times, and the Washington Times. Visits to ABC 's Nightline, CNN and C-span have been logged in. The TKST visited radio station WJFK's G.Gordon Liddy, too.

Public Advocate spokesman Michael Neal said "The White House plans for a Hate Crimes Summit are a sham. Ted Kennedy should be on the list of hateful killers . We are memorializing the 30th anniversary of the death of Mary Jo Kopechne by hosting the return of the Ted Kennedy Swim Team, a mock political theatre troupe. We have not forgotten Ted Kennedy's reckless, and hateful,behavior in the death of Mary Jo, and the cover up that followed. We believe the Kennedy claim to lobby for the interests of women and hate crime victims is bogus.."

Your point is well taken but badly stated. Your points can be made without vulgarity (well, much vulgarity) and Porno. The Clinton Administration is pornographic enough...

HEY ASSWIPES, WHY DOES YOUR EDITOR OF THIS FORUM SPEND SO MUCH TIME KISSING ZIPPY'S ASS?!!! HAVE YOU NOTICED? THANNK YOU ZIPPY, WHY i COULDN'T HAVE MUDDLED THRU LAST YR WITHOUT YOU ZIPPY, OH ZIPPY THANKS FOOR THE POSTS, THEY ARE SO EDUCATIONAL, OH ZIPPY i"M MEZMERIZED BY YOUR BRAIN POWER, OH KEEP THE FACTUAL DATA COMING I HAVE NEVER WITNESSED SUCH A THING ZIPPY YOU ARE THE THIRD COMING OF CHRIST, ZIPPY ZIPPY ZIPPY!

Hey Mrs. First Lady, you mights has heard of my cousins, Ida, well I'm her third cousin Ore.

Mrs. First Lady Rodham Clinton maam, I gots bebies to feeds too! My bebies is hongry RITE NOW. I looks for food in the gutter, Mrs Hillary maam, but the rats done beats me to it. Everyday those rats git what little tiny morsels I tries to gets for my chilrens....HELP ME, MRS. HILLARY! Please, I beg you to increase the food stamps so Is can feeds my bebies. I knows you do the rite thang Mrs. Hillary cuz it show looks like you be feedin Chelsea and stuff.

Don't fugets MRs. Rodham, Hillary maam, it takes a whole village to raise a child. As a member of your village, Is asking for help. Please don't turn my bebbies into GUTTER BEBIES, Mr.s Hillary!! I will vote for you if you help!

Message: She hasn't done anything but ride on the coat-tails of her husband all of her life. All her ideas for social engineering have been a failure, especially her clandestine attempt to turn health care into socialized medicine. When the Clintons were in office in Arkansas, they took their standing as 48th in education to 50th. I'm sure the NYers want that in their state! Do us all a favor and fade out like every other SELF RESPECTING FIRST LADY, NOT CO-PRESIDENT!.

Message: I believe the best thing that can be done for Hillary is ask her to fess up and tell the truth about: * her involvement in the illegal FBI file fiasco and why she wontadmit to being the one who hired Craig Livingstone, the ex-bouncer who illegally collected over 1000 raw data files of Republicans; * her obvious obstruction of justice in hiding supoened Rose Law Firm documents; * her perjury before an Arkansas Grand Jury; * her involvement in the incredibly vicious framing of Billy Dale and others in the WH Travel Office (which ALONE should be enough for anyone with a shread of conscience to oppose Hillary's candidacy to ANYTHING). * what she was doing removing documents from Vince Foster's office after his death; * her receipt of bribes from the Tyson clan; her involvement in the receipt of illegal campaign money from representatives of the Chinese Communist secret service; * the bribery deal that has become known as "cattle futures"; * her knowledge of the payoffs to Web Hubble; * her involvement in the "Castle Grand" real estate/banking scam; * etc * etc * etc. And while we're at it, we might also ask her why in the world she would choose to stay with a husband who is a rapist.

Message: Dawn, look at the whole picture -- dah --- JFK, jr. had planned to fly during daylight and told friends that he was uneasy flying at night because he was inexperienced, BUT -- his wife convinced him to fly her sister to Martha's Vineyard and it was LAUREN who WAS LATE, work was more important to her and she left work late, got involved in traffic and THAT IS WHY THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE DEAD, because LAUREN PUT HER WORK FIRST. JFK was only doing what his wife wanted.

Yes, that's right folks, another benefit of being patient and supporting your assertions with evidence is that you impress the wise (on both sides) and piss off the morons (on the other side). Life is good...

Ore, girl where you been? YOu better come on over to my house and gits your son. He's a MESS!!!! I can't evens watch my soaps and eat my chitlins in peace!! Girl, better listen what I tell you!

Message: Mrs. Clinton, Now that Bill Gates is worth $90 billion dollars, he has enough cash on hand to purchase the beautiful country of Iceland. If Bill Gates does buy Iceland, will you support statehood for Iceland? I hope so.

Message: Zip, It seems that maybe you suffer from delusions of grandeur since you think that anyone who disagrees with your right winger philosophy is a moron. Step down from your golden alter, and get real!!!!

Message: Mrs. Clinton, Would you support statehood for Switzerland? It is a great country and would be a great asset to the rest of the United States. I hope so.

Message: As a former UPSTATE New Yorker from Saratoga Springs I don't find it surprising that Mrs. Clinton might run for the US Senate. This woman BANKRUPTED, and DESTROYED a law firm, she's prime for this job! Downstate New Yorkers' (Yonkers and below) will give her the election. It is a shame, an honest, liberal principled man like Senator Moynihan would endorse Hillary. Well, Reagan also said a lot of strange things at the end of Presidency too.......... I love New York, and I miss UPSTATE, and my home. I guess my parents will have to continue to pay for New York City, as they should....they should feel guilty for being white, BORROWING $120,000 to send me to college, and TOO PROUD to ask for social assistance that they wouldn't have qualified for anyway. Mrs. Clinton should remember what Mario Cuomo said in 1982 concerning a "Republican" who at that time tried to "carpetbag" the govenors mansion in Albany. It was "different" then, and besides it was all the fault of "the twelve years of Reagan/Bush neglect." MRS. CLINTON WILL NOT WIN SARATOGA COUNTY!

...since you think that anyone who disagrees with your right winger philosophy is a moron.

Again you are incorrect. I class people who make assertions and, when challenged, fail to provide any substantive proof of those assertions as Morons.

I assume my "Zip this buddy" post prompted your post. Here is my proof that you cannot read and comprehend even the most simple post: I quote my previous post

I very specifically use the phrase "the wise (on both sides)". This phrase can only be interpreted to mean that I believe there are wise people on both sides of our debates thus proving you incorrect in your assertion that I "think that anyone who disagrees with [my] right winger philosophy is a moron".

You, however, have proven that you either can not read or can not think. In either case you appear to be in, or leaning toward, the Moron classification (using the term loosely as I am often inclined to do). I suggest you concentrate on educating yourself and gathering evidence to support your points of view rather than making broad generalizations that are easily proven false. There are many very bright Liberals who are actually able to support their views with objective facts. Sadly, few of them post here. I wish more of them did as it invariably causes me to reexamine my points of view (and occasionally even modify them as any rational being would when confronted with facts contrary to their current views).

I then replied to that post as I was addressed directly. Then you posted I'll state things the way I want to and you don't gotta fuckin read it! (pure prose if I ever saw any!)

If you don't want me to read your posts then don't address me directly Porno Boy!

Do you always show your ass this much in public? You must be the life of the party....

Message: Wow Zipper, Are you the other Right Winger LVD? LOL You both try to make people think your smart through language and intimidation! Are you one of those guys that no one likes yet still hangs around???? You are not wanted here!!! Why don't you go hang out in a Right Winger chat and make up new conspiracy theories, like Clinton having a love child??OOOPPPSSS!!! Matt Sludge already made an ass out of himself with that one!!! LOLOL You'll have to make up a new one for this week!!!

Message: TO THE EDITOR, , OF THE 100TH FORUM http://www.hillary.org/hc/Hillary_Clinton_Forum_100_chat1.cgi Thanks for a great job on FORUM 100. You kept the spirit and the fun of the forum and showcased some intelligent and insightful posts along with the funny and often brilliant graphics. Your work is truly appreciated by the fans of this forum.

Message: There once was a tough guy named Rudy Whose first name rhymed with the name Julie But Julie's a girls name and he like the name Anni So he combined them both and came up with Giulianni

Message: There once was a tough guy named Rudy.....Whose first name rhymed with the name Julie.....But Julie's a girls name......and he like the name Anni.....So he combined them both....and up came Giulianni

Message: There they go again!!!!!.........Come on Wally!!!! LOLOL I guess you are a Vince Foster conspiracy lunatic too!!! LOLOL

Message: Wally, Why does Matt Sludge wear that stupid hat all the time? Is he hiding lobotomy scars? Since you appear to be a fellow Matt Sludge conspiracist...Do you also believe that Bush is a racist? I suspect you are very selective about which conspiracy theories you believe in. In YOUR world there are "Untrue" Conspiracy Theories about Republicans, and Democrat "Anything Goes" Conspiracy Theories. When are the Rush Limbaugh types going to realize that Bill Clinton will finish his term, and no matter how many times Rush, Sludge, and the rest have tried to bring him down, he has kicked their ass!! Face it!! Bill, Hillary, Chelsea, Buddy and Socks are all more intelligent than the Scaife/Rutherford Institute clan!!

Message: Your point is well taken but badly stated. Your points can be made without vulgarity (well, much vulgarity) and Porno. The Clinton Administration is pornographic enough.....................YOU WROTE THIS MESSAGE? HAVE YOU READ THE STARR REPORT? I HEARD THERE IS A COPY OF THE STARR REPORT STUCK TO THE BATHROOM STALL IN THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL LAVATORY!

Message: If we had more gun control laws, JFK Jr. would still be alive today. We need Hillary in the Senate or as President for the sake of the children. I like being pro-choice because then I can choose to take away a life time of choices for my child.

Message: Thank you from the Forum 100 Editor. I tried to keep it light, while still showing both sides of most of the major arguments. Many of the best points, I found while editing, were made most succintly with humor. Thank you for your compliments.

Message: Whoa! Is that really Dawn? I may have to reconsider my sexual preference. LOL

Message: Yo Matt! Here's a clue dude! It is not news that the British press is blasting Kennedy! Where do you think they learned that trick from? Hello? Have you checked the American Press lately? Damn dude, some of that shit is word for word from some of the more popular American reports! Here's an idea Sludgey! If you don't have anything intelligent to say (read liberal) then why don't you just shut your pie hole chubby?

Ida, Ore here girl....is that Boomer been messin witchu girl?? I KNOW is gots to be Boomer. He thank he da bomb, girl. Bout time to send him on his way to Jerry Springer. He dont even like Hillary neither. Be posting stuff. Girl I thank we need just needs to get up on out of dis forum and move on! Like the Good lord say, whereever ye shall go, So I shall go. I think Ruth said that. anyways, take care girl and Is let you know when we goin make our break from Boomer.

Message: Gee, I come back from a camping trip and another member of a "royal family" dies in an accident. When Princess Di' died I thought - "that will make an interesting trivia game question in about 20 years." But then we had media hysteria for a year or so (I didn't participate). I lost a brother in an auto accident and I hope the media will let the survivors live in peace.

Well slick, I tried to be intelligent and patient with you hoping you might actually have something to say but it seems to have been a waste of time. Thank God people like you are usually asking people like me "You want fries with that?". You'd be dangerous if you ever got hold of any real money or power. (Dangerous to yourself that is.)

Have a nice life. (Just don't expect the next President, House or Senate to help you much as they will all be Republican and we believe people ought to help themselves if they can...)

One last thing before I start ignoring you; If you decide you want to actually debate an issue in an intelligent and cordial manner I'd be happy to participate.

Message: Zippy, Oh Zippy! I can see you are a graduate of the school of limbaugh. You see, when confronted with an argument, all you should do is cry and whine and say anyones disagreement with you ia a personal attack. Also you should challenge any argument with a call to back it up with facts. The catch-22 being that in the mind of a limbaugh devotee, the only things that are facts are things that you say are facts. In other words, if I say it or think it, then it is fact. If another person who disagrees with you says anything to the contrary, then they are misinformed. Also, if a wing-nutter repeats any groundless accusation or rumor pertaining to the Clintons often enough, it becomes irrefutable fact. And who is this Drudge character? Probably another blow-hard, no-nothing, doesn't have the balls to run for office right wing guru-type loser like the ROTUND ONE himself, limbaugh. I sent my $1000.00 campaign contribution to Hillary's campaign fund just yesterday!

Message: "Also, if a wing-nutter repeats any groundless accusation or rumor pertaining to the Clintons often enough, it becomes irrefutable fact." Let me see where have I heard groundless acusations or rumors before? Oh yes, "There is a vast right wing conspiracy that has been out to get my husband since he was elected" I believe that was said by Hillary in response to the Monica affair. I think we can seperate fact from rumor in this case. I also believe Bill Clinton was impeached for lying to a federal grand jury and obstruction of justice, not to mention he was held in contempt of court for lying under oath. He was also found guilty in the Paula Jones affair to which Hillary brang out the checkbook to save his but again. Or are these just more groundless accusations and rumors?

I must say I was knocked over by your $1000.00 donation to Queen Hillary. I thought you liberals just took money from hard working peoples pockets in the form of higher taxes to fund your "progressive" policies. But then again when it comes to Hillary the loonies come out of the woodwork. Please come back to the forum if Hillary keeps your money then doesn't run for office. I will be most interested in seeing your post.

And who is this Drudge character? Probably another blow-hard, no-nothing, doesn't have the balls to run for office right wing guru-type loser like the ROTUND ONE himself, limbaugh.

Matt Drudge has a web site that reports news and provides links to dozens of other news sites. He broke the Monica story. His site averages 20 million hits per month. He recently got a radio show on ABC.

Rush Limbaugh has a radio show that has a loyal following of about 20 million listeners, more than any other talk radio show. He's lost over 80 pounds so the "rotund" remark is no longer valid (as if it ever was). His secret of success is that he merely says what his listeners already know and he has a wonderful sense of humor.

Both of these people are successful in the extreme and your baseless personal attacks on them only shows your envy. Rather than tear someone else down why not try to build yourself up?

Message: Why not send your money to me instead of the Hillary campaign? She's going to lose. JFK, Jr. is going to run for the Democrat Senate nomination too and even from his watery grave will beat her worthless, corrupt ass.

Here is a list of what I will do with your money:
1. Spend it on myself.
2. Buy stuff I want.
3. Make myself happy with it.
4. Get my hair cut with it.
5. Rub it all over my body.

Probably not real different than Hillary's list! But I'll even say thank-you instead of acting like I deserve it because I would put a bullet between you eyes if you didn't send (unlike either half of the corrupt Clinton crime machine).

Message: Public Service Message: Boomie (listed above) is the identical twin of the evil Boomer that posted yesterday. Boomer has an extra X chromosome and cannot help himself.

Message: Can someone tell me if this extra chromosome is worth any government money? I'm a Democrat, if that makes me any more likely to be eligible.

Message: I was wondering if anyone had any infromation on volunteering for Hilary Clinton in New York City. I am a native New Yorker and a democrate who feels strongly we need to keep Guiliani out of the Senate. If anyone has any information how I can volunteer for the Hilary campaign, please send me an e-mail. Thank You.

Message: Good news Boomer! You are eligible for many different kinds of government money as a poor fellow that can not help himself!
P.S. If you have committed any crimes as a result of your unfortunate condition, then you are eligible for any more. So here's a hint, if you could off a couple of people before you come in to apply, you would get more.

Message: Boy! You better not be listening to that Government Worker! If you off anyone this week, I'm gonna kick your psychopathic ass all the way around the block! Now get back to work before I hurt you!

Message: Make me nerd boy! (Gimme the directions to your place Mr. Government Worker.)

It�s been several days now since we got the word from the Justice Department that rates for violent crimes are down another seven percent. It�s the biggest drop since 1973.

Some news agencies did give credit to the fact that we have locked up more of the violent criminals. Remember 30 percent of the murders in this country are committed by a group that makes up only one percent of our population, young black males.

One thing we haven�t heard. Credit given to the fact that more and more law-abiding Americans are owning and using guns for self defense. Criminals fear a victim with a gun more than they do the police. There�s a reason for that.

The National Association of Chiefs of Police conducted their 12th annual survey of all local law enforcement agencies recently. Here are some interesting results from questions asked rank and file police officers:

Message: I AM A THRU LIBERAL! ITS NOT IN MY GENES TO WORK SO HARD. IN THIS WORLD YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WORK MORE THEN 40 HOURS PER WEEK. THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE HOW HAVE SO MUCH MORE. THEY SHOULD SHARE IT WITH THE LESS UNFORTUNATE. HILLARY RAISE TAXES! SHARE THE WEALTH!

One of Hillary Rodham Clinton's first big tests of trying to work both sides of the room as First Lady and putative Democratic Senate candidate from New York came Sunday night, with the White House banquet for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak.

I understand that Hillary, whose staff decides whom to invite to state dinners, wanted to have her most fervent backer, New Jersey Sen. Robert Torricelli, there. Trouble is, Toricelli dates Patricia Duff, the warring ex-wife of Ronald Perelman.

Hillary's people, I'm told, explained they had to invite Perelman, New York's richest man and one of America's most dedicated supporters of Israel. But it would be bad form to have Duff - who only communicates with him through her lawyer du jour - at the same banquet.

So Duff and the ambitious senator from across the Hudson missed out on a glittering occasion heavily larded with movers nad shakers from the tri-state area. Perelman proudly brought along his actress-squeeze, Ellen Barkin, whose huge ring impressed everyone, even if it still isn't being worn on her engagement finger.

Message: For years, feminist organizations have been grousing about the inequity of pay between men and women.

Bet Nealz Nuze doesn't have a very eclectic following. I had to stop at the negative implications of the word "grousing". Neal may want to take a lesson in writing if he wants people from both sides of a given argument to read his story. I may have missed something really good to the sewer depository of poor writing. Poor misguided (undoubtedly severely conservative) Neal.

Women do not "grouse" about unequal pay. They are equal human beings in the work force who have shown they are just as capable of doing any job as well as a man. Equal pay ought to be a given as we approach the year 2000. (I won't even go off on the tangent about old, white, male, conservatives keeping it on an uneven keel with the "Good Ole Boys Club".)

Message: I am interested in volunteering on Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign. I also wished to share some thoughts with her regarding the arts and education.

If anyone knows her campaign address or e-mail site please contact me with this information. Thank You!
DAVID KOPPEL

Message: I have never heard of Hillary whats-her-name. Of course, I can't read or write either and have never had sex with a woman. My mom types my messages for me and tells me what my opinion will be on any given day. I am a pathetic, doughboy-looking loser in my late 40's who has never been out of BumFucked, Texas in my whole life, and would die if I had to leave here. Just keep my government checks coming and I'll be happy.

ALBANY - First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday scrapped a three-day upstate campaign swing planned for this week because of John F. Kennedy Jr.'s fatal plane crash.

Clinton, who is considering a run for the U.S. Senate next year, was scheduled to take her summerlong "listening tour" to Elmira and Ithaca, in the state's Southern Tier, today through Thursday.

"At this point, it's postponed because of the Kennedy tragedy," said spokesman Howard Wolfson.

At a White House ceremony honoring the U.S. women's World Cup soccer champs, the First Lady said, "I want to join the president, and I know all of you, in expressing how much our thoughts and prayers are with the Kennedy and Bessette families at this extraordinarily painful time."

Message: Someone please send me Hillary's e-mail for her campaign. I am too stupid to look it up and find it myself. I am sure I will be of endless use in her campaign. I have had my IQ tested. It is definitely in the two digit range!

"I don't expect to be a player on the national scene, whatever that means. I don't even allow people around me to discuss any other possible office because I think it's a terrible mistake to run for one public office and think about another." MAYOR GIULIANI

WILLIAM POWERS Source of "fabrication?" Mayor Giuliani yesterday fingered state Republican Chairman William Powers as the source of a "fabrication" that Giuliani is looking to run for higher office.

The Post reported yesterday that Giuliani is eyeing a possible run for U.S. Senate in the year 2000 - one year before his expected second mayoral term would end.

The story said the mayor recently told major Republican fund-raisers that he expects to be a "national player" after his likely reelection in November.

"The reports that I talked to anyone are total fabrications," the mayor said. "I imagine they come from Bill Powers.

Lindsay's career took a sharp dive when he ran unsuccessfully for president in 1972, in the middle of his second term as mayor.

Despite his strong refutation, Giuliani refused to commit to serving through the year 2001 if he's re-elected.

It looks like Rudy Giulliani and Hillary Clinton have something in common: NEITHER ONE WANTED TO SEE BILLY BOB IMPEACHED!!!!

H0T TEMPERS, C0LD SH0ULDER F0R MAY0R By Angela C. Allen, Douglas Montero, David Seifman, Ikimulisa Sockwell, Murray Weiss and Tracy Connor.

Hecklers taunted Mayor Giuliani yesterday at funeral services for Amadou Diallo - and the young man's family repeatedly snubbed him.

"Get out of here!" some in the crowd outside the Islamic Center of New York shouted at the mayor and Police Commissioner Howard Safir after their 15-minute appearance near the end of the service for the 22-year-old Diallo, gunned down by cops Feb. 4.

The mayor has been rebuffed at least twice by Diallo's parents, who refuse to meet with him until the four cops who killed their unarmed son in a hail of 41 bullets are arrested.

Giuliani was scheduled to meet with Kadiadou and Saikou Diallo on Thursday night, but was told they were too tired to keep the appointment.

He went to the Rihga Royal Hotel yesterday morning for a rescheduled meeting with the Diallos, but was turned away after an extended wait.

"The mayor, after waiting about an hour, was told the family had difficulty making the meeting," Giuliani spokeswoman Colleen Roche said.

Privately, the mayor's people suggest that the Rev. Al Sharpton, the Diallo family adviser, may be behind the freeze-out.

A worker for the mayor's Community Assistance Unit told officials he overheard a member of the Diallo entourage say that "the reverend" doesn't want a meeting with Giuliani.

Sources close to the parents say they scrubbed the meeting after watching TV footage of the four cops walking free.

"It's not a matter of me stopping anybody. They did it on their own," Sharpton said.

Several hours after the visit to the hotel, Giuliani went to the prayer service for Diallo - where he again was unable to meet with the parents.

He and Safir were dogged by hecklers, a few of whom followed them inside the mosque.

"Why do you treat a black man like a dog?" one man shouted toward the mayor and Safir while dozens more chanted, "We want justice!"

Two other men pelted them with insults: "You coward. You are the devil. Murderer. Blood-sucker."

Mosque security chief Hassan Abdul Rahim said that "there were some jeers" toward Giuliani, but he also noted that "some people came and addressed him and thanked him for coming."

Mayoral aides said Giuliani was told to arrive at the mosque at 1:45 p.m., but when he showed up, the prayer service and speeches were already under way.

The imam - the mosque's religious leader - called him to the front of the mosque, where they spoke briefly.

"He was sensitive to the feeling of the people," Rahim said. "He wasn't particularly eager to speak. He looked tense, but he was very dignified and expressed concern for the family."

The mayor's people insist he didn't expect a meeting with the family at the mosque, but a security worker claims Giuliani tried to follow Rep. Charles Rangel (D-Manhattan) into a small downstairs office where Mrs. Diallo was resting.

"I just asked him, 'Who are you?'" said Saana Malik Newton, who coordinated security

"I just asked him, 'Who are you?'" said Saana Malik Newton, who coordinated security for Mrs. Diallo.

"He wasn't disrespectful, he just turned around and left," said Newton, who added that the mother "made it perfectly clear that she did not want to meet with him."

City Hall tried to downplay the snubs. "We're disappointed the meeting didn't happen," spokeswoman Cristyne Lategano said. "We're also very understanding that this family is going through a tremendous amount of pain and suffering.

Message: I am seeking information on "Millenium Communities", a project that was supposedly developed by Hiliary Clinton. Can you provide me with any information on this project, i.e., web-site, telephone number, etc. Thank you.

Message: July 14 � An opinion poll released Wednesday has Hillary Rodham Clinton trailing New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani in the New York Senate race for the first time in six surveys this year. But pollsters said the potential race is still �very competitive� and that both need to work on �issues� they have with New Yorkers. OF THE 515 New York voters surveyed earlier this week by the independent Marist Poll, 47 percent favored Giuliani in next year�s race, 41 percent backed Clinton and 12 percent were undecided. In the previous poll, in April, Clinton was ahead with 43.5 percent while Guiliani had 42.8 percent. Clinton�s lead was greatest in the first poll, last January, when it was 52 percent vs. 42 percent. While not the first time a poll has had Clinton trailing � a Zogby International survey had Giuliani ahead by 9 percentage points last March � it reflects a Marist Poll trend showing steadily eroding support for the first lady. Who would make a better U.S. senator for New York? * 18985 responses Hillary Clinton 18% Rudolph Giuliani 82%

If anyone believes the polls at this stage in the game, they're obviously not too bright.

During an interview on ABC's "This Week," Giuliani said there would be nothing to be gained politically from using the president's impeachment woes against the First Lady. "It will be a year-and-a-half later, virtually, so it would make no sense to be spending time on that," said Giuliani.

I agree. But would Giuliani be willing to step up to the bat and issue that same challenge to his voters? A whole year and a half later. Is that all? Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is still hearing about Gennifer Flowers circa 12 eons ago.

Maybe Giuliani doesn't want to use the impeachment issue because he was against it and most of those who will be casting votes for him were for it.

Please example how the lying Clinton's lowered the crime rate? (this should be good!). Most people that actually study the issue say the crime rate in down because we built more prisons and currently we have more people incarcerated (as a percentage of the population) then EVER before. BTW - building new prisons and putting more people in jail was a Republican idea and the Democrats and the lying Clintons tried desperately to stop (isn't it pathetic that now they are trying to take create for it - they are shameless).

The second reason for the lower crime rate in the economy. We are currently living through the longest non-wartime recovery in the history of our country. Good economies lower crime rates. BTW - this recovery started nearly two years before Clinton was president - basically he inherited the best economy of this century and he actually had the nerve to say while running (lying) for president that it was the worst economy in 30 years. The Clinton's are shameless liars that do nothing but expel hot air and take credit for the hard work of other people. It seems you need a spell-checker, you obviously meant "the Clinton wieners".

That's a shame, the article on MSNBC is accurate and further proof that "Feminist" organizations are, for the most part, just another "tool" of the Left. Sadly, they don't care. True Feminists are far more conservative and far more successful than these Organizations would have us believe. Why let one word that you think is inaccurate stop you from looking at the evidence. (By the way, Neal bills his show as "The Neal Boortz Show - America's Rude Awakening!". It's part of his schtick(sp?). He's rude but he's right...)

In Giuliani's second year, the police stopped releasing the annual, 50-or-so-page firearms assault discharge report with details on every police firing. Instead, when incidents like the Diallo killing occur, the administration conjures up its own selective stats, all designed to create the impression that the NYPD is the nation's most "restrained" police force. The truth requires a bit more perspective than the mayor's sound bites and charts.

For two decades prior to Giuliani's taking office in 1994, the number of people killed by the NYPD "mirrored fairly closely the number of 'civilians' killing each other," according to John Jay College criminologist Andrew Karmen.

The correlation came apart in Giuliani's first year. The murder rate plummeted by 379, yet the number of police killings rose to 29. Indeed, while murders continued to drop dramatically in 1995 and 1996, police killings inched upward from 26 in 1995 to 30 in 1996. Cop killings were the only acts of violence rising in the first three years of the Giuliani era� up by 36 percent.

In Los Angeles, police killings dove by 42 percent over the same three years, San Diego 44 percent, Philadelphia 54.5 percent, Houston

In Los Angeles, police killings dove by 42 percent over the same three years, San Diego 44 percent, Philadelphia 54.5 percent, Houston 53.8 percent. Nationally, "justifiable homicides by police" fell 24 percent between 1993 and 1996.

Giuliani prefers to concentrate, however, on the last two years, when NYPD gun killings dropped to 20 in 1997 and 19 in 1998. A mayor who routinely contrasts the city before and after his own inaugural has suddenly changed parameters. He's limiting his police killing comparison to 1995 so he can show numbers that are down from the 1996 level of 30. He's comparing his own high with his own low.

Had Giuliani instead measured Dinkins's final total against the 1998 tally, it would have revealed a mere 13.6 percent decline in police killings, compared with a 59 percent drop in the murder rate. That would've raised a provoking question: with so many fewer people killing one another, why are police killing at almost the same rate?

Indeed, since the mayor's data were limited to police shootings (meaning they would not include, for example, the choke-hold slaying of Anthony Baez), the most relevant comparison would be with the number of civilian handgun murders. They fell an astounding 81 percent, from 1436 to 271. It's as if Wyatt Earp were the only guy firing away at the O.K. Corral.

Message: Actually, in regard to your Boortz...or whatever... article, I would need to see the source of the statistics he quotes. Statistics can be made to say anything and I would seriously question them. White, male, Conservatives in this country would like nothing more than to have us all believe that females are to blame for their own problems, blacks are to...etc. Do you really think a woman interviewing for a job who is not a part of the good ole boy network can say to a prospective employer? "No, I will not take this job for $75,000 a year. If you pay me $90,000 then I will work for you." After the interviewer laughs his ass off, he sends word down to personnal that the woman was a total nut! (He then hires cousin Billy Bob at $95,000 a year.) That article is not set in the real world, it is set in the white, male, conservative world, which is not the totality of the Universe we live in. Many of us do not have a key to the Clubhouse door!

CLEVELAND (Reuters) - Ohio Democratic party officials are considering asking TV talk show host Jerry Springer to run against Republican Sen. Mike DeWine for the U.S. Senate next year, the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper said Tuesday.

It said Hamilton County Democratic Party Chairman Tim Burke said he had spoken with Springer and Ohio Democratic Party Chairman David Leland about a possible Springer candidacy.

It said Leland was bouncing the idea off some party stalwarts, but he declined to comment publicly.

Despite the talks, the newspaper said the most likely Democratic candidate appeared to be Columbus attorney Richard Corday, who ran unsuccessfully for Ohio state attorney general in November 1998.

Springer was a member of the Cincinnati City Council in 1971 but resigned after police found him with a prostitute. He returned to the City Council a few years later and entered the Democratic primary race for governor in 1982 in which he finished last.

Springer began his television career in the mid-1980s. "The Jerry Springer Show" has been noted for the controversy it creates as guests often break into fist fights.

Had you finished reading the post you'd have seen that he gave U.S. News & World Report and "senior editor of Working Woman magazine" as sources. Also, follow the link to the MSNBC article I posted for the rest of the story. (On Neal's main page he insists that one should Always check multiple sources! He's rude, but he's usually right.)

After the interviewer laughs his ass off, he sends word down to personnal that the woman was a total nut! (He then hires cousin Billy Bob at $95,000 a year.)

And existing law would allow her to sue and win BIG in that case unless cousin Billy Bob was far more qualified. Try again.

1. Why didn't JFK, Jr. take a shower before he left for the Vineyard?
He said he'd wash up on shore!

3. Why was JFK,Jr. flying to the Vineyard?
He wanted to crash his cousin's wedding.

4. What will they name the movie about JFK, Jr.?
"Eyes Wide Shut" or "Three funerals and a wedding".

Message: I have only one question for Ms. Clinton before voting for her in New York. 'How do you feel about running for office in a state where it is illegal to celebrate American Holidays such as the 4th of July and New Years, by using fireworks?'

The following is an excerpt from an article found on the internet:
The Summer Fireworks Festival was held, or at least was attempted to be held, from July 27 to 31, 1998 in Weedsport, New York. This is a perfectly legal, permit-covered even that had been held twice before, successfully, in the same town. But the 1998 festival was doomed by Rudolph Giuliani before it even started. It seems that New York state troopers got wind of a "fireworks convention," set up roadblocks, and stopped cars coming and going to the festival, and confiscated fireworks from quite a few people. These roadblocks, interrogations, and confiscations will be challenged in court. At least eight people were arrested. Bob Kellner's entire truckload of fireworks, worth many thousands of dollars, was seized and destroyed. Many convention attendees immediately left for home.

The Holiday Inn is upset because many people checked out sooner than they had planned. It's not the local police that caused the problems - it's primarily the New York state police and New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's goon squad called the "Fireworks Task Force." The Summer Fireworks Festival has been held twice before, in 1994 and 1996, at the same location, without any such incidents.

Apparently this year, NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani read about the upcoming event and planned in April to sabotage it, even though Weedsport and Auburn are nowhere near his jurisdiciton, and even thought the Summer Fireworks Festival is a completely legal event, covered by permits which were granted in advance. The right vote for the right answer. I like to be patriotic, I like fireworks.
Chris Anderson, Huntington.

Andersen also claims that the First Lady screamed at Clinton: "You stupid, stupid, stupid bastard. My God, Bill, how could you risk everything for that."

The argument on Aug. 13, 1998, staged in her bedroom and overheard by both agents and White House staffers, is said to have continued until Hillary Clinton sank down on the bed, saying, "How are we going to tell Chelsea?"

"When President Clinton finally confessed to his wife the true nature of his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, the First Lady belted him, a new book reveals. Hillary Rodham Clinton slapped her husband so hard she left a red mark...."

Now THIS is good stuff. I always frown upon domestic violence, but I'd make an exception for Bubba's wife.

Message: Various feminists proclaim that women are 'under siege', that a monstrous social bias against them, if not a virtual war, is going on, that women have little respect or power (Steinem, Faludi, Tavris, etc.) Yet the notion of the American woman as a powerless "victim" is one of the most absurd notions ever foisted upon anyone.

American women live, on average, seven years longer than men. They control 86 % of all personal wealth [PARADE Magazine, May 27, 1990], and make up 55% of current college graduates. Women cast 54% of the votes in Presidential elections, so they can hardly claim to be left out of the political decision-making process! They win almost automatically in child custody disputes. Women suffer only 6% of the work-related fatalities (the other 94% are suffered by men).

Women are the victim of only about 35% of violent crimes, and only about 25% of all murders, yet because of our society's exaggerated concern and respect for them, special legislation has been passed to punish "violence against women" as if it were a more heinous crime than "violence against men". (Feminists claim to want "equality", and this is an example of what "equality" means to them, i.e., preferential treatment to address their concerns). Two out of every three dollars spent on health care is spent on women, and even if you don't count pregnancy-related care, women still receive more medical care than men - yet feminists still holler that womens health is being "neglected", and far too many of us credulously believe them. Of the 25 worst jobs, as ranked by the Jobs Related Almanac based on a combination of salary, stress, security, and physical demands, 24 of them are predominantly, if not almost entirely, male, which might explain why men commit over 80% of all suicides. (Most of these statistics come from The Myth of Male Power.)

question: What is the difference between JFK Jr.'s tragic death and the Titanic?

What will they name the remake to the 1971 Daryl Duke film about the disappearance of Air Force One with the president on board?

Message: Those Kennedys aren't very good drivers. Maybe we should ask MADD to look in on this....He could be a drunk like the rest of the Kennedys.

BBBBLLLLLTTTTTTTTTT!!! Sorry, but I can't spend ALL my time dreaming up jokes about JFK Jr., aka "The Waterboy."

A man and his wife started out in the car after a quarrel. She sat in the back seat and continued to berate him for his faults. In her excitement she pounded on the car door and it flew open. Several blocks later one of their neighbors flagged the man down.

The man looked over at the back seat. "Thank goodness!" he said "I thought I had lost my hearing!"

Message:
Are Hostess Cupcakes, Twinkies and Frosted Doughnuts defective? Apparently one consumer group and their attorneys thinks so. Yesterday, a class-action lawsuit, seeking billions of dollars in damages was filed against the pastry industry giant, Hostess. Max Dinero, lead attorney for Pastry Watch USA, the consumer group who filed the suit, told BNN, "Hostess has known for years that they have been producing and selling defective products. These are products, which if used as Hostess intended, can lead to obesity, clogged arteries, and heart attacks. This makes the pastry industry as murderous as the tobacco industry. Our suit is designed to bring the pastry industry to justice."

On hearing of the law suit, Republicans in Congress have moved to draft legislation that would protect the pastry industry from these types of lawsuits. Democrats blasted the Republicans for their efforts. Said Democratic Congresswoman, Sheila Jackson-Lee, "This just proves that the Republicans are in the pockets of 'Big Pastry' lobbyists."

Hostess has refused to publicly comment on the pending suit. One Hostess executive, speaking off the record, quipped, "These maniacs won't stop until they have stolen the profits from every dessert maker in the U.S. If they take us down then no company is safe. Next to go will be Dolly Madison. After that, they will obviously move on to ice cream producers like Baskin-Robbins, Hagen-Daz and Ben & Jerry."

Max Dinero denied that the suit was an attempt to steal corporate profits and assured BNN, "Our intentions are pure. We are only concerned about the innocent victims of the pastry industry."

Message: "When President Clinton finally confessed to his wife the true nature of his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, the First Lady belted him, a new book reveals. Hillary Rodham Clinton slapped her husband so hard she left a red mark "clearly visible to Secret Service agents when he left the room," according to Christopher Andersen, author of "Hillary and Bill: A Marriage."

Andersen also claims that the First Lady screamed at Clinton: "You stupid, stupid, stupid bastard. My God, Bill, how could you risk everything for that."

Andersen, author of several previous tell-alls, including "The Day Diana Died" and "Jackie After Jack: Portrait of a Lady," writes that Chelsea suffered both physically and emotionally through the Lewinsky scandal.

He reports that on May 19, the freshman at Stanford University was admitted to the campus hospital after she collapsed with severe stomach pains that the doctors attributed to stress. In time, she made three more trips to the hospital suffering from the same complaint, he reports.

Nor did her father ever apologize to her, as he told the American public he had in a pivotal speech that summer. A Stanford associate of Chelsea told the author that neither the President nor the First Lady could bring themselves to discuss Lewinsky with Chelsea as events were unfolding, and so she was "more or less left to fend for herself," getting her news from television."

Message: Health Care PART II Preamble of the United States Constitution. We the people of the United States, in order to form a more prefect union.... promote the general welfare. Health care is general welfare. We need to insure the right of the patient being able to pick his own doctor not a insurance company's one. We also have the right to sue an insurance commpany if a patient is seriously hurt because of some lame brain rule by an insurance company which cause the fully insured patient to die or becomes disabled. WE don't like the idea of the Government calling this a patient's bill of rights using words synomous with our own Bill of Rights.

Message: John F Kennedy Jr died a tragic death. Why is it so tragic. Because he was the son of President John F. Kennedy. President Kennedy was the first president to free the Black People of this country of their separate but equal status. and give them their civil rights. And for this he paid the supreme sacrifice , his life. The Kennedy are a good American Family.

They are unselfish and are truly compassionate people. They stand for everything we hold dear. John F. Kennedy was a hero who saved his buddies in World War II. He got the Russians to halt their testing of ATomic weapons when he was President. He was a young president. And his son John Jr. reminded us that someday another Kennedy could be President. He inspired us all all. They the Kennedy's don't serve the rich or the demagouges but all of th e people, all of the time. God Bless Them All.

Message: Why didn't Hillary want Bill impeached? It would have meant the loss of her luxurious lifestyle. Gone would be the use of one of two jets (at $8,723/hour) to take her anywhere her heart desires. Gone would be the suites at the Plaza, fancy dinners, clothes, travel. She would have had to cancel her $6 - $9 million trip with Chelsea, her annual two-week getaway during Chelsea's spring break to Egypt and Morocco. Gone would be all the gifts and goodies that are bestowed upon her. When the Clinton's leave the WH their standard of living will drop drammatically. They have no home to go to. They don't even own cars. They will have to assume responsibilities just like all the taxpayers that have been supporting them. Gone will be 24-hour maids, cooks, drivers, planes, food, their own movie studio. They will have to assume car payments, insurance, housing, utilities, pay for vacations for the first time in 8 years. And, they still have uncovered legal expenses from Bill's dalliances that have not been covered by their legal defense fund (the public finally wised up and stopped donating). Two of their insurance policies one with State Farm Insurance and the other with Chubb Insurance each doled out $1 million in payments to their attorneys and for partial reimbursement to Paula Jones. And, you all wonder why your insurance premiums are so high. The Clintons are leeches and have duped the American public and taken them all for one 8-year VERY EXPENSIVE RIDE!

To the idiot Bugs Bunny

Message: John F Kennedy Jr died a tragic death. Why is it so tragic. Because he was the son of President John F. Kennedy.

Perhaps because he was a human just like the rest of us is reason for tradegy. Certainly not because of his father. Moron!

President Kennedy was the first president to free the Black People of this country of their separate but equal status. and give them their civil rights.

Kennedy Died because a LEFT-WING, COMMIE, ASSHOLE shot him. not because Kennedy "Freed the slaves" MORON

The Kennedy are a good American Family. They are unselfish and are truly compassionate people. They stand for everything we hold dear.

Just ask Mary Jo Kopeckne. Oh, yes, didn't Joe Kennedy get caught passing information to the Germans while he was ambassador to Ireland! Let's not forget that the Kennedys made a fortune breaking the law during prohibition. MORON

He got the Russians to halt their testing of ATomic weapons when he was President.

And his son John Jr. reminded us that someday another Kennedy could be President. He inspired us all.

JFK Jr inspired us all? MORON! Here's a man who needed every family coinnection to get into law school. Who had to take the bar exam three times. Who had every advantage in the world. And who because of his negligenge killed his wife and sister in law. MORON

They the Kennedy's don't serve the rich or the demagouges but all of the people, all of the time. God Bless Them All.

Message: JFK wouldn't have had to save his buddies in WW II if he hadn't let a Japanese destroyer run over his PT boat.

Message: You ask the question: "Are Hostess Cupcakes, Twinkies and Frosted Doughnuts defective?"

Do you think this is funny? This is no laughing matter!
Pastry Watch USA is a very evil organization. They want to restrict, nay, remove our constitution right to choose the pastry of our choice.

The NPA will fight for our rights.
First its Twinkies
Then its potato chips
Then its cheeseburgers
When will it stop!

Message: NO comment on my Healthcare Part II Post. How come? Are all the kooks still asleep?

Message: Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves in the South their freedom, but it took 100 years before President John F. Kennedy gave them their civil rights. Strom Thrumond that old bad Southern politician stopped Harry S. Truman from making the Blacks in this country truly free. Must we fight the Civil War again?

Intelligence = Sexy. By this measure, Hillary may be the sexiest woman who EVER lived. After all, anybody who can turn a $5K investment into $100K is no chump.

Power = Sexy. Hillary wields her influence in a graceful, controlled way. But she knows she wasn't elected, and she recognizes the limits of her dominion.

Fame = Sexy. There's a life-sized Hillary cardboard cutout that I've got my eye on. As soon as they come out with the leather dominatrix dress-up accessories, I'm buyin' that sucker.

Looks = Sexy. Hey, she ain't chopped liver... and when she juts out her chin in that smoldering expression of defiance, doesn't it make you MOIST?!

Message: "And who do the Republicans of late serve but the rich and powerful."
So they are serving the Clinton's according to your idiotic one size fits all charactorization of the Republican party. Bugs do you not think before you write your posts? Gearge W. Bush won the Govornership by taking the majority of the Hispanic vote. So now the Hispanics in Texas are rich and powerful?

I am a Republican as are Brother's and sister's families. My brother is an elevator mechanic, my brother-in-law is a vending machine owner, my other brother-in-law is an agent with the FBI. Yup, these are all get rich and powerful occupations if ever I have seen any. I do not expect you to respond as your history proves that when confronted with common sense and facts you turn into a moron.

Hey, let's face it. Cupcakes cause obesity which leads to heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other ailments that lead to the early extermination of life as we know it and increases in health insurance premiums for us all!

Message: Sorry I got upset, and I know you are a little upset because of the Media's obsession with JFK Jr but hey they got to make a living so they can stay in business to protect us against the government. And all the idiots who are calling me one go eat a Hostess twinkie. Lol, right Control Girl lol.

A lot of Republicans are nice people don't get me wrong. Its just the bunch in the US Government who have sided with the Religious Right I am leary of. I originally come Vermont and they most of the people there are hard working Republicans. I just dont like the ones in the Congress of United States. period. Tom Delay Henry Hyde or is it Dr. Jekyll and Livingston or Newt Grinwich, self rightoues hypocrites who I hope get the heave ho when they run again.

Message: I live in Florida, but I wish you lots of luck with your campaign in New York. If you ever decided to relocate, Orlando would welcome you with open arms. Again, good luck.

Message: OK now we have the beginings of a conversation. FYI - I also do not approve of the religious right. As a moderate Republican I believe that religion has no place in govornment. I believe in the separation of church and state as our forefathers did. I will tell you what really irks me is we have a trillion dollar tax surplus and Bill Clinton acts as if it is his own money.

I am over taxed, probably in the 50% bracket as I am not married, have no children and choose to rent so there are no deductions for me. In, addition to my payroll taxes I pay fees and after tax taxes for many things like gas, local taxes, meal taxes, sales taxes, recreation taxes to park in the White Mountains, etc, etc.

I feel that I am being bled to death by the Democrats and by the way the same ones that pay for nothing and ask for more as in the case of the Clinton's. It irks me that Bill Clinton tries to scare old people by telling them the Republicans want to bankrupt social security on the one hand then he takes billions from the same trust fund to finance the Kosovo war.

As I am sure there are decent and honest Democrats I feel that they are being led by ones who are neither. I do not personally hate Bill and Hillary Clinton, I am just so weary of the scandals and postering. I think it is time for the Clinton's to fade into the sunset as their presence in politics is dividing this country as never before and it is time for it to stop and it is time for America to heal.

This Pastry Watch USA thing is a vast conspiracy. Now President Clinton is asking Congress to stop buckling under the pressure of the NPA. He has told the press that the NPA has no regard for the health and wellbeing of the American public. He says the NPA is only interested in those Sweet Profits.

At a recent "listening tour" luncheon, Hillary refused to eat her dessert because she saw a Hostess label on the cakes in the kitchen. "This is an outrage," she said. "They thought I couldn't listen and eat sweets at the same time."

"Those who admire and idolize Hillary Rodham, particularly the feminists, have unveiled their hypocrisy. Hillary is the opposite of what an emotionally and mentally healthy woman aspires to be. She is the classic, self-absorbed female martyr who has organized her life around her husband's affliction, and basks in the adulation of those who admire her ability to absorb humiliation without flinching."

"A strong woman would not put up with an adulterous, philandering husband. An honest woman would not pretend she didn't know anything about his abuse and misuse of other women. And an independent woman would not shamelessly ride her husband's coattails. The Clintons have brought us face to face with the worst that is within us, exposing the deep flaws we all have and with which we struggle. The question remains what it has always been: Will we rebuke our demons, or embrace them?"

Hey, has anyone seen John-John Gibson (MSNBC) smile since the other John-John went 20,000 leagues under the sea????Poor guy. I can't bear to watch him. He appears to be in agony and oh my, but the sour puss expression! I get the feeling he dislikes having to cover this story over and over and over and over.....

But that didn't stop him when he wanted to carp on Hillary every day. So now he gets to feel just as weary and fatigued as we did when we had to listen to him say "Hillary's magical listening tour" for the umpteenth time.

Message: Once again the taxpayers funded a fundraising party for Hillary. The lovefest of Jews from NY to honor Barak was straight in your face WRONG. Since she has decided to become a NYer, she has taken 14 trips to NY at our expense and now she holds a formal (one step below a state dinner) for Barak and invites all the rich and hopefully generous donor from Israel to court votes in NY. One has to wonder how many campaign contributions will flow from the dinner guests present.

Also, who paid for the Love Fest between Hillary and the Women's Soccer Team to fly to Florida to view the aborted space flight. I expect we taxpayers are on the hook again.

Message: WASHINGTON (AP) - The premiums that drivers pay for federally subsidized auto insurance would drop sharply under legislation approved by a House panel Wednesday to entice more drivers to buy the coverage.

The lower premiums, together with some other changes intended to make the insurance more attractive, would double the cost of the program for taxpayers to about $3 billion a year.

"The whole intent ... is to do what we can to increase participation,'' said Rep. Larry Combest, R-Texas, chairman of the House Auto Insurance Committee.

With the auto economy mired in recession, Congress is grappling with ways to provide drivers more protection from price drops and bad weather without rewriting the 1996 auto law that did away with a Depression-era system of price supports.

Many drivers have traditionally declined to buy auto insurance because they felt the premiums were too high for the coverage they got. About 65 percent of eligible drivers is now covered.

Drivers pay 45 percent to 87 percent of the cost of their insurance, with the government picking up the rest. Under the House bill, the drivers' share would range from 35 percent to 65 percent, depending on the level of coverage.

The legislation also would improve coverage for drivers who have had one or two major auto losses in recent years.

It was approved on a voice vote by the House Auto Insurance risk management subcommittee.

The full Auto Insurance Committee is to debate the legislation next week, with a vote in the House to come in early August. The Senate has yet to take up the issue.

Rather than reduce premiums, the chairman of the Senate Auto Insurance Committee, Sen. Dick Lugar, R-Ind., wants to give direct payments to drivers to spend as they choose.

Critics fear that cutting insurance premiums will increase production of accidents that are already in surplus and encourage drivers to drive crazy in areas that don't get enough rainfall or where the driving season is too short.

But "it's the worst possible time to express concerns like that, because these people so desperately need help,'' said Ken Cook, president of the Environmental Working Group, a research and advocacy organization.

Lawmakers are still looking at ways to keep drivers from cheating the insurance system. The House committee is to consider a proposal next week to offer special premium discounts to drivers who turn in their neighbors.

A report released in March by AUTO's inspector general said the insurance system was prone to abuse because taxpayers, not the private companies selling and servicing the policies, bear most of the risk of losses.

Message: JP, Where have you been an intelligent person to talk to. All these months I've had that dimwit LVD to contend with. He always attacked me cause he is so mixed up. Don't leave this forum. Unfortunately the tax code favors people who own rather than rent their personal residence. The closing costs on a house now are outrageous.The charges by banks, title companies and mortgage companies should be investigated. Tell us more of your wisdom. I like the way you talk. LVD never did have an original thought in in his pea brain. All he ever did was attack something you said that had a liberal feel to it. You do deserve a tax break. and pronto.

Message: Dear Minglewood, I hear you are one of oldest writers on this forum. Is this Hostess twinkee thing a tongue and cheek thing with you. lol

Minglewood: I too must join the NPA (National Pastry Association). Different pastry's for different folks. FREE THE PASTRY'S FREE THE PASTRY'S!

Message: I did my part to free the pastries when I went to Kentucky Fried Chicken awhile ago. I did not buy any dessert because I heard they used Hostess as a subcontractor!

Name: Kluge Boy, Jr. (9 y.o. operating on the forum with liberal parental permission)

Message: You guys are getting me confused. FREE THE PASTRIES! to me means I want my MTV ... er, I mean PASTRIES!

My favorites in college were the Hostess Fruit Pies in this order:
Cherry
Blueberry
Apple
Chocolate
Then there was the snowballs.

Message: that should be: Then there were the snowballs. Lack of Hostess pastries causes grammar disfunction.

Message: OH NO, 'snowballs' my one weakness! I'd thought I'd kicked the habit till 'she that must be obeyed' tempted me with those two pliant round pink mounds! Sadly, I could not resist. Knowing that, 'she' now plys me with the 'green' versions on St. Patricks day and the orange ones on that other holiday.

Message: Jeff where is Mutt. Can't you see we are discussing our favoourite junk food. What is yours?

I personally can't stand snowballs. They look so pretty, but I abhor the cocconut flakes they slather on the cake. How about snowballs without cocconut!!?!

The orange ones are sooooo cute. Little balls of sunshine. Throw one up into the sunset one evening and watch it disappear. How about a tribute to John Denver..."Snowballs on my shoulder makes me happy..." (Remember John Denver? You probably forgot. He died in a plane crash too, but he wasn't "royalty"...)

The white ones are so pristine and virginal. You get the feeling just eating one would make you feel pure. Instead of throwing white rice at weddings, throw white snowballs!! (and don't throw rice anyway, it's bad for the birds)

The pink ones remind me of a little bunny rabbit's fluffy cotton tail. I know their tails are white, but the pink color just reminds me of them. I love bunny rabbits. Remember the chocolate bunnies at Easter? Why not one made of pink and white snowballs?

How about trying to fool your friends at the ski lodge next time with one of those white cocconut flaked beauties! Tuck a white snowball pastry in your coat pocket and, when your friend initiates a snowball fight, launch it straight for their piehole. Imagine his or her surprise! Yum, snow cream never tasted this good!

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I hate to break it to your tiny little mind but I believe most people would say that abolishing badges of slavery is giving civil rights. While it has taken more than a hundred years for the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to mature in our society this didn't happen all of a sudden because of JFK. The civil rights movement had been going on continuously. To say that JFK "gave them their civil rights" is a total insult and mischaracterization. Those civil rights were won inch by inch over the dacades by people in the trenches like Rosa Parks and Thurgood Marshal. You are an idiot.

Message: Bill Clinton "As the House prepared to vote on the GOP proposal, the president said in a lengthy East Room news conference that he supports tax cuts but only those that save money for other priorities. Americans want "tax cuts in the national interest, not special interests," he said. Tax cuts in the National Interest, not special interests???. What the hell does that mean? So now the American people are "Special Interests"???? Bill when was the last time you and Hillary actually had to pay for something (Housing, medical care, food, transportation, entertainment, child care)??? The tax surplus is not yours to keep no matter how much you want it to be. It belongs to the American people and all your postuering will not change that fact. And besides, who do you think you are to speak for what all Americans want??? I am an American and I want a significant TAX CUT, everyone I know is American and they also want tax cuts so who are these "Americans" you are talking about that you claim to know what they want? I think you are playing political games at the expense of the American people. If you are really concerned about what "Americans" want then why don't you and Hillary just leave public office, that's what the majority of Americans really want. :

Message: Dear Mrs.& Mr. Clinton; Thank you for supporting the recovery of JFK.Jr. his wife and sister-in-law. The Nation must be proud of your efforts. I know my family is. Anyone who doubts the awesome technology of our great country is surely silenced due to the heroic recovery of the son of Camelot. Thank you Mrs. Patricia McKeown 698 Union Street East Bridgewater. Ma. 02333

The U.S. House of Representatives approved a $792 billion tax cut
It's about freggin' time!

A family with taxable income of $55,700 would get a tax break of about $1,000. A single person earning $25,000 would get $380 back.
This should be really good news to people. Its not enough, but it is good news.

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan told a congressional committee that tax cuts could prove ``very useful'' in future if the economy loses some of its momentum.
We all respect his opinion. This makes good sense.

President Clinton pledged to veto the measure.
Why would he do such a nasty thing?

Clinton said: ``It will not do anything to add to the life of Social Security and Medicare. It will require huge cuts in our other investments."
What investments? All I see is government waste. We are suppose to believe what he says? Over Greenspan? I think not!

Message: OK, it's time to start discussing real issues. Hillary should present her own 10-point plan. Smooth talk will not win this race. Our most important problem is that real estate is too expensive. People pay too much for housing. High cost of real estate is passed on to the consumer. When a welfare mother buys a carton of milk, high price of real estate is included in price of milk. The point is this. Drive price of real estate down, - and price of almost everything will go down. We should increase supply of real estate and drive prices down. How to increase supply of real estate? We have millions of people on welfare. It's time to put them to work. Houses were built before Jesus was born. Without high school diploma. No college is necessary. Just vocational training. The real problem is how to finance it. The banking system should lend less money to buy existing houses, but more money to build new ones. Jobs will be created. For example, if I borrow $100,000 to build a new house, the construction company will hire workers to build the house. If I buy existing house, I don't create jobs. Republicans would not touch this issue because it would require to put the Fed under government control. I believe it would be good for this country. If the Fed does not know how to finance construction, it should be put under strict government control. The Fed is a monopoly, and as any monopoly it must be under government control. -- Michael Vilkin.

Message: New Hampshire able to float Gore's boat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Bill Sammon and Laura R. Vanderkam THE WASHINGTON TIMES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- early 4 billion gallons of water were unleashed from a massive dam Thursday to raise the level of the Connecticut River in Cornish, N.H., so that Vice President Al Gore's canoe would not get stuck during an environmental photo opportunity. The action irritated John Kassel, director of the Vermont Department of Natural Resources, who accompanied Mr. Gore on the canoe trip. "They won't release the water for the fish when we ask them to, but somehow they find themselves able to release it for a politician," Mr. Kassel groused as he clambered up the riverbank after the four-mile canoe trip. "The only reason they did this was to make sure the vice president's canoe didn't get stuck."

Message: Now we have no replacements left. JFK, Jr. was our last great hope. Socialism is dead in this country. Now we are lost......

Message: This morning I heard that a Japanese citizen killed an airline pilot with a knife in an attempted hijack. I am calling for the immediate banning of all assault knives worldwide. Email me, and I will send you an address. I will for Knife Contol, Inc. Send me millions..... If we only save one life, it will be worth it! Remember, the second ammendment does not pertain to edged weapons...... We can win this one.

Message: Think of our last great hope, John Kennedy, and what he might have been. Perhaps Senator from NY. I heard he was considering running until you announced.... Maybe he could have been President. Now, sadly, he can't be anything. This is a tremendous loss for America. What will we ever do now? We look to you for guidance..... and you offer nothing.

Message: I feel so cheated that nothing major happened in my lifetime. I did't get to go to Vietnam and kill the hated Vietnamese, and help stop the dominoe effect. I didn't go to Germany when the wall came down. I missed meeting JFK, Jr. and now I can't. But I can still read his magazine, and mourn the most important thing to happen in this century......

Message: how about a 100% tax cut? Simply eliminate the IRS and abolish the 16th amendment. Government revenue should be raised by a consumption tax. Hard to do with all the socialist kleptocrats in DC. Democrats are a sad lot who want to spend the money of producing people on low lifes, chicks, and drug addicts to ease their guilt and to stay in power. Republicans are only slightly better. Time for the American people to realize that the Libertarian party is the only alternative we really have. Save yourself from tyranny and socialism. Vote Libertarian.

Message: From a Utilitarian perspective, there may be an argument for income taxes that even a libertarian might appreciate. That is that our society might benefit from taxes as a whole at a given level. By this I mean that if taxes are to high, our society suffers from the lost incentives and lost capital from the free market that is not made up by government's use of the money. On the other hand, if taxes are too low, insufficient revenue required by the government might create burdens that are not offset by the incentives and available free market capital.

Personally, I thiunk we are taxed too high so that poverty pimps like Ted Kennedy and Maxine Waters and create and maintain economic hostages i.e. slaves of the welfare state all beholden to polititians who will gladly suck the life's blood from the productive to give to their constituients.

Join me in my future quest for the presidency! My first official act will be to enact my "Kennedys across America" act whereby I will line up all the Kennedys in the U.S., have them hold hands and rejoice, then I'll make them each give a million dollars to the IRS. This should be an equitable act seeing how much the Kennedys have increased the taxes on the average man

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