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the November 3rd Elections. Discussions on abortion.
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recommend impeaching President Clinton. Straight party line of 21-16, setting up historic political showdown.
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Hillary Clinton Forum in Newsweek .
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Name: SFLiberals to Stoner
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"Did she [Libby] indeed propose a law regarding this? Or are you persecuting her for speaking out about her Christian beliefs? Surely you'd never do that!"Come on Stoner, we are not into persecuting anyone for their Christian beliefs, or any other religious beliefs. We heard this discussion on a talk show. People were not too happy about Scripture readings in Congress. Church is the right place for that.
"I just think you guys are way too paranoid about this stuff."No way, Stoner, we still have vivid memories of being forced into prayers and rituals of the dominant religion.
"If you ever actually hear of a bill that would codify favoritism toward a particular religion or church then let me know. I'll be the first one in line to protest and have it struck down by the Supreme Court! "Well.....you have clearly earned our respect for that position.
"But if your aim is to eliminate religious beliefs in the halls of Congress"Stoner, nobody wants to eliminate religious beliefs, and if their beliefs are deeply held, nobody can.
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Message: Hillary Doubles Aid to Honduras!
Hillary Rodham Clinton announced a doubling of U.S. aid yesterday to the hurricane-ravaged countries of Central America during a rapid tour of the region.
Calling Hurricane Mitch "the worst natural disaster in this hemisphere that we have record of," Clinton said the new U.S. total is now more than $250 million.
Speaking in the Honduran capital, Tegucigalpa, Clinton detailed the latest aid plans - adding 16 new helicopters to the 39 already in the region and boosting U.S. troop strength in the area to 5,600 from 1,300.
She announced $55 million in additional military-based aid, such as road-building, medical detachments and water purification, and $51 million more in food aid.
The United States also will cancel two years of debt payments owed by Honduran and Nicaragua - about $54 million worth, she said.
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Message: What religion are you SFLiberals?
Name: Stewart
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Message: Did hearing the voices of Monica and Linda change anything in your mind about them? Was it within the realm of what you expected? Would look forward to your responses. I have not heard them yet.
Name: Stoner® to "SFLiberals"
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"People were not too happy about Scripture readings in Congress. Church is the right place for that. "
With all due respect, who are you to decide where speaking out about your beliefs does or does not belong? Free speech means exactly that, whether it makes people happy or not! I still maintain that until someone tries to legislate something there is simply no grounds for complaint. You have no right to censor what people say. It's a First Amendment issue plain and simple. If we begin censoring speech in Congress where else can we begin to censor certain kinds of speech? What kinds of speech should be censored? Do you really want to open up that can of worms?
Name: SFLiberals to Stoner®
email: We are not censuring speech in Congress
Message: If some member of Congress wants to get up and read from the Scriptures that's his/her right. We would be the first in line to defend that principle. However if Congress decided that they start each session with prayers we would be upset because it would mean that we would be forced to participate in the dominant religion's prayers, and that would not be right.
Name: SFLiberals to poster
email: What religion are we?
Message: We are not of one but of many
Belonging everywhere and nowhere
Our temple without walls
Directly connected we strive to maintain
Spiritual Paths that have no name
Name: Stoner®
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Now I think we finally hit a point of agreement; If the Congress put it in the "House Rules" that they read scripture I'd put that on basically the same level as legislation and would object. Glad to hear we actually agree on some points (as scary as that may be).
On another subject; Has hearing the Lewinsky/Tripp tapes changed your opinions
of either of them? Also, being male I'm just curious, do women in general
really go on and on about shopping and the people in the office like
that? I've never had the opportunity to hear this kind of conversation before.
(Sub-thought: If the President had been female and had been cheating she'd
never have gotten caught. No "stains", no gossipy telephone conversations of
the guy and his best friend to tape and probably no cigars. Hmmm...)
Also, I think Monica should write a nice big "thank you" note to Linda and Ken for making her a millionaire! Oh, to be rich and famous at 25(?)! By the time she's 30 no one will even remember how she got that way.
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However if Congress decided that they start each session with prayers we would be upset because it would mean that we would be forced to participate in the dominant religion's prayers, and that would not be right.
I thought liberals were out of touch/clueless but this takes the cake! This may come as a shock to you, SFLiberals, but Congress has always started each session with a prayer!!!! Maybe you should watch CSPAN once and in while - each session of congress starts with a prayer and - heaven forbid - congress has a paid chaplain on staff.
-LVDName: Minglewood
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Message: Did you know that the night before the last election, Clinton gave a speech, inside a church, after the sermon, urging folks to vote and vote Democratic. Where do you draw the line?
Name: SF Liberals to LVD
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Message: Thanks for the info. Yes, I do remember hearing some of the prayers on notable occasions. I guess it's something we must endure to appease the dominant religion. But if we continue to let them get away with their brand of "morality" next thing we know the dominant religion will be demanding prime time in Congress for their morals which are centered primarily on sex. They will demand that lying about blowjobs takes priority over issues like social security, health care, environment, etc., and will drag us all into spending billions of dollars looking for sexual sin by any means, legal or illegal, to the detriment of all other issues vital to our needs.
That's the price you pay when you allow one religious culture to dominate.
Name: Lilcat
email: KEEP YOUR HEAD UP
Message: HI HILLARY YOUR ARE A VERY STRONG WOMEN AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I ADMIRE
YOU ALL THE TIME ,PLEASE DO NOT LET ANYONE TAKE YOUR STRENGTH . STICK WITH
YOUR HUSBAND AND GOD WILL PREVEIL
IF, WHICH I DOUBT, YOU GET THIS E-MAIL I
WOULD LOVE TO SHARE AN IDEA I HAVE FOR OUR YOUTH IN AMERICA TODAY JUST
SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TAKE CARE OF FUTURE AND PUT PRIDE BACK IN OUR
YOUTH'S HEARTS . I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT YOU AND BILL .
JUST A FRIEND FROM COMPTON ,CA
Name: SFLiberals to Stoner®
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Message: "do women in general really go on and on about shopping and the people in the office like that?
Only the bimbo types and others who do not function in any important level in the company or in life. You have a wife, Stoner, and she does not behave like that.
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Stain on WHO's dress?
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Hillbilly Hunters
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Starr Hits Home Run! Democrat Propaganda machine in disarray!
Impeachment gains momentum!
Democrats forced into childish disruptions!
American awaits apology from the Hillary Clinton Forum editors for their hateful, shameless, and baseless personal smear campaign against Starr.
Rule of Law wins out over Democrat propaganda.
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Don't hold your breath dude....
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"Don't look at me, I'm not gonna kiss it..."
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From Ken Starr's opening statement to the House Judiciary Committee:
First. The evidence suggests that the president made a series of premeditated false statements under oath in his civil deposition on Jan. 17, 1998. The president had taken an oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. By making false statements under oath, the president, the chief executive of our nation, failed to adhere to that oath and to his presidential oath to faithfully execute the laws.
Second. The evidence suggests that, apart from making false statements under oath, the president engaged in a pattern of behavior during the Jones litigation to thwart the judicial process. The president reached an agreement with Ms. Lewinsky that each would make false statements under oath. He provided job assistance to Ms. Lewinsky at a time when the Jones case was proceeding and Ms. Lewinsky's truthful testimony would have been harmful. He engaged in an apparent scheme to conceal gifts that had been subpoenaed from Ms. Lewinsky. He coached a potential witness, his own secretary Betty Currie, with a false account of relevant events.
Those acts constitute a pattern of obstruction that is fundamentally inconsistent with the president's duty to faithfully execute the laws.
Third. The evidence suggests that the president participated in a scheme at his deposition in which his attorney, in his presence, deceived a United States district judge in an effort to cut off questioning about Ms. Lewinsky. The president did not correct his attorney's false statement. A false statement to a federal judge in order to prevent relevant questioning is an obstruction of the judicial process.
Fourth. The evidence suggests that on Jan. 23, 1998, after the criminal investigation had become public, the president made false statements to his Cabinet and used his Cabinet as unwitting surrogates to publicly support the president's false story.
Fifth. The evidence suggests that the president, acting in a premeditated and calculated fashion, deceived the American people on Jan. 26 and on other occasions when he denied a relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.
Sixth. The evidence suggests that the president, after the criminal investigation became public, made false statements to his aides and concocted false alibis that these government employees repeated to the grand jury. As a result, the grand jury received inaccurate information.
Seventh. Having promised the American people to cooperate with the investigation, the president refused six invitations to testify to the grand jury. Refusing to cooperate with a duly authorized federal criminal investigation is inconsistent with the general statutory duty imposed on all executive branch employees to cooperate with criminal investigations. It also is inconsistent with the president's duty to faithfully execute the laws.
Eighth. The president and his administration asserted three different governmental privileges to conceal relevant information from the federal grand jury. The privilege assertions were legally baseless in these circumstances. They were inconsistent with the actions of Presidents Carter and Reagan in similar circumstances. And they delayed and impeded the investigation.
Ninth. The president made false statements under oath to the grand jury on Aug. 17, 1998. The president again took an oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. The evidence demonstrates that the president failed to adhere to that oath and thus to his presidential oath to faithfully execute the laws.
Tenth. The evidence suggests that the president deceived the American people in his speech on Aug. 17 by stating that his testimony had been legally accurate.
In addition to those 10 points, it bears mention that well before January 1998, the president used government resources and prerogatives to pursue his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. The evidence suggests that the president used his secretary Betty Currie, a government employee, to facilitate and conceal the relationship with Monica Lewinsky. The president used White House aides and the United States ambassador to the United Nations in his effort to find Ms. Lewinsky a job at a time when it was foreseeable – even likely – that she would be a witness in the Jones case. And the president used a government attorney – Bruce Lindsey – to assist his personal legal defense during the Jones case.
In short, the evidence suggests that the president repeatedly used the machinery of government and the powers of his office to conceal his relationship with Monica Lewinsky from the American people, from the judicial process in the Jones case, and from the grand jury.
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email: Starr finally admits there is no evidence of impeachable offenses.
Message: Case Closed on Filegate and Travelgate Starr admits for the first time that his investigations into the gathering of FBI files inside the White House and the firing of White House travel office workers resulted in no evidence of impeachable offenses by the president.
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Message: Starr is still investigating the involvement of a person "not in the administration" with regard to Filegate.
Who might THAT be? Maybe some person with the initials HRC?
Name: Wipfler
email: Sylvia@rz.uni-wuerzburg.de
Message: Listening to Starr´s investigative tactics causes headache and a stomach ache. Next time when there is a launch into the space don´t forget to reserve Starr an oneway ticket to receive a cleaner air back home. His behavoir is ashame for the United States. God bless you, your true friends
Name: Slap in the face for Starr
email: MSNBC
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Starr ethics adviser quits in protest
Dash resigns after Starr testifies in impeachment hearings
WASHINGTON, Nov. 20 — While Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr’s marathon impeachment hearing session did not appear to have dramatically altered the political landscape, it did trigger the resignation on Friday of his ethics adviser, who said Starr had “unlawfully intruded on the power of impeachment” by becoming an advocate. MORE...
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And for the rest of the story:
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FROM JAY LENO
"If Ted Turner and Jane Fonda become president and first lady, it will be very different from the Clinton Administration... At least you'd have someone in the White House who had been to Vietnam."
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Something stinks on Democrat side of the House. /
Democrat Sam Dash in what looks like a pre-planned action resigned the day after Starr made the Democrats look foolish. Many believe that Democrat Dash’s resignation was planned by the Democrat propaganda machine in an attempt to divert attention from Democrat failures and the childish and foolish way they are handling the impeachment hearings. Dash stated his reason for resigning was that Starr testified before the House Impeachment hearings. Dash’s action looks phony and pre-planned because Starr’s appearance was planned weeks ago yet Dash remained silent. Democrat Dash’s action is that much more phony when you realized that Starr appeared on the request of the Democrats! The Democrats were obviously trying to setup Starr but the light of truth has found its way to their scheme. The Democrats actions make the United States government look more like a banana republic than the superpower that is supposed to be.
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By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr Thursday left open the possibility of criminal charges against first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in at least two investigations by his office into the Whitewater affair.
Name: Stoner®
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"Many believe that Democrat Dash’s resignation was planned by the Democrat propaganda machine"
Perhaps I'm just less suspicious but even Ken Starr had kind words and great respect for Sam Dash. IMHO Sam just thought Ken should have refused to testify on anything but the bare facts and not on his convictions (pardon the pun). But then, Ken Starr is not known for being critical of anyone on a personal level, just the legal level...
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug - Where are You?
email: Zippy is FAMOUS!
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Name: SFLiberals
email: A great moment in history.
Message: This is a great moment in history and we are torn between a great moment in our business as well, hence our silence. We figured history will go on without us but business opportunities sometimes come only once. We have not seen anything on TV, a little news on the radio and most of the news on the Internet and in the papers. So we are a little out of touch.
But we did manage to catch one suggestion by Arlen Specter that we liked, and which many conservatives will probably like too. So in the interest of good relations here it is:
We would go along with the concept that we end this whole impeachment mess now. Leave our president alone to run this country until the end of his term and then, when he leaves office, to continue with the perjury charge in an ordinary court of law.
This suggestion seems to solve a lot of problems for us.
1. Punishing Clinton during his term of office is also punishing us, and the rest of the world. Republicans have punished us enough, to the detriment of too many issues and crises that are far more important that lying over blowjobs.
2. We always had a problem with justifying perjury. It is clear that Starr trapped Clinton into a Catch-22 situation. He was damned if he did not tell the truth, and was damned if he did. What to do? We were asked that question early August and responded that we would have refused to answer that question on that basis that it was an invasion of our privacy and unconstitutional. No doubt the judge would have thrown us into jail, but that's the route we would have taken.
We would have admired Clinton if he had done the same thing. The judge would have been hard put to throw him into jail. His lawyers could have made a test case out of it and established that prosecutors cannot force us to reveal our private sexual natures.
Name: By Pete Yost - Washington Post
email: Associated Press Writer
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The Rest of the Rest of the story.....
Name: Times of London Article
email: November 19, 1998
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The Sexiest Woman Alive
The evolution of Hillary Clinton as stylish First Lady is complete-
at long last she seems to have settled comfortably
and unapologetically into a style that siuts her.
Name: Witch Hazel
email: From News Showdown
Message: Ken Starr provides the Proof
Ken Starr has done the world an enormous favor. Ken Starr has proven once and for all, when he claims that he is vindicating the rule of law, he is seeking to make the world safe for hypocrisy. Ken Starr has proven once and for all, that corrupt authorities who suborn perjury are guilty of obstructing justice. Ken Starr has proven once and for all, that corrupt, career Justice Department officials are still paying tribute to the felonious legacy of J. Edgar Hoover.
Ken Starr has proven once and for all, that the capacity to manipulate the court system is responsible for covering up, rather than exposing the truth.
Ken Starr has proven once and for all, how easy it is to fill our prisons with innocent people. Ken Starr has proven once and for all, that bragging about the capacity to win in court is like being thankful that Jim McDougal is dead and is consequently denied the right to every appeal. Ken Starr has proven once and for all, that "the facts" are a figment of his vast, hitherto unfathomable capacity to pervert justice.
Ken Starr has proven once and for all, that it is simply not possible to have an Independent Special Prosecutor as long as Grand Inquisitors exploit the Courts. Ken Starr has proven once and for all, that he would rather defend Paula Jones and Linda Tripp, rather than the duties and obligations of the President of the United States. Ken Starr has proven once and for all, that he can hide behind the practise and policy of legal manoeuvres, but he cannot find an independent jury to support a grand plot to topple a President.
Name: One of the Most Glamorous First Ladies Ever
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Next week Hillary Clinton will realize the dream
of thousands of twentysomething models by appearing
on the cover of American Vogue.
Not bad for a once-bespectacled feminist who recently
turned 51. But it comes not a moment too soon; to judge
by a swelling chorus of Hillarymania, her new role as
cover girl is merely belated proof of her transformation
into one of the most revered and glamorous First Ladies Ever.
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Message: Starr plans to quit office in new year
No indication his testimony rekindled enthusiasm for inquiry
WASHINGTON, Nov. 20 — Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr intends to leave his office in January or February, NBC News’ Lisa Myers reported Friday evening. News of the prosecutors’ plans came the same day his ethics adviser, Sam Dash, resigned and a day after Starr testified for 12 hours before the House Judiciary Committee defending his impeachment inquiry of President Bill Clinton.
MORE....
email: by Giles Whittell
Hillary Clinton Forum Famous in England!
TIMES of London Feature: The Sexiest Woman Alive? Hillary Clinton
..."You can find anything on the Internet, of course, but given its popularity with misogynists and conspiracy theorists from the far Right, Hillary's rave reviews here are remarkable. And nowhere are they more gushing than in the Hillary Clinton Defence Forum, which bleeds on to your screen very slowly because it is so vast. Gradually, under a gently waving American flag, its idol appears, beaming regally into thousands of homes and offices. Her red jacket matches lips that frame film-star teeth. A black turtleneck offsets her neat blonde bob. It's all very flattering - and is aimed, ultimately, at putting Hillary in the Oval Office.
Name: Dan De Vries
email: San Francisco
Message: It's too bad we can't impeach independent counsel for lying under oath. Thursday, Ken Starr said that he never wanted anything to do with this affair (then what exactly is his connection to Richard Mellon Scaife?) that his staff are the finest professionals available anywhere (federal prosecutors and FBI agents?) and that his fine professional staff never asked Monica Lewinsky to wear a wire (although the FBI report of that bust would appear to contradict him).
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Message: Hillary Clinton is one of a kind. Her grace under pressure is unmatched. I for one will be a lifelong fan of hers. She makes me proud to be a woman.
Name: jimscott@kansascity.com
email: Future President
Message: I realize I'm probably an "hour late and a dollar short," but I just happened on your web site. I'll cut to the chase. I have $10,000 that I'm willing to put up, that says Hillary will never be president. We can put it in some time of escrow, with a reasonable time period. What's more I'll even be willing to put a little extra in ( if the odds are right) that says one of the two is indicted by ....say 2003. We might as well have a little fun with our money , hmmmmmmm???
Your call.
Jim
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Message: He can't spell or type either one...no way he has $10 G's to blow.
Name: JESSE (THE BRAIN )
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Message: WHAT A BUNCH OF HOLCUM. U BEEN LISTENING TOO MUCH TO THAT RAY FELLA TOO MUCH. GET A LIFE. POP A MENTOS .
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Message: Hillary for President? That's a spoof, right?
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Message: Pop A Mentos....ha ha ha....that's funny!!
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Message: My heart aches because a pig sit in the whitehouse. His name is Bill Clinton. OH GOD how long must we endure Bill Clinton as President of these United States. Can't a building fall on him or can't he come up with HIV, AIDS or some misfortune.?
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Message: Monica walks into her dry cleaning store and tells the guy,
"I've got another dress for you to clean."
Slightly hard of hearing, the clerk replies,
"Come again?"
"No," says Monica. "Mustard."
Name: Turkey
email: Giving@thanks.com
Message: Dear Lord, Goddess, Buddha, Mohammad, Jesus, Isis, Zeus, Tao, Assorted Deities et al:
We are thankful for Newt resigning as Speaker of the House and leaving the House (poor sport!). We are thankful for Starr's being unable to find ANY impeachable offense by the President or his beautiful wife despite his tactics and his hidden agenda.
We are thankful for the Republican losses in Congress. We are thankful for Democrats standing up for themselves and their issues all over the country.
We are thankful that the small-minded witch hunters did not win this round, although we suspect they will be back. We are grateful to Sam Dash for quitting and thereby reinforcing the majority opinion that Ken Starr really does have it in for Clinton. We are grateful that a small and warped radical Christian Right has not imposed its sense of morality and sin upon our land.
And finally we are thankful for this Forum, where we can all express our opinions freely in the great ol' USA! We are grateful for the editors of this forum who have the good sense to kick the foul-mouthed, hate-filled message posters to this forum. Keep up the good work! Amen.
PS. I am not so thankful for the way some people express their opinions. I like logic, I like to debate, but by the rules. Hurling epithets and calling people ugly names only reflects upon the writers.
Name: Turkey
email: Giving@thanks.com
Message: Dear Lord, Goddess, Buddha, Mohammad, Jesus, Isis, Zeus, Tao, Assorted Deities et al:
We are thankful for Newt resigning as Speaker of the House and leaving the House (poor sport!). We are thankful for Starr's being unable to find ANY impeachable offense by the President or his beautiful wife despite his tactics and his hidden agenda.
We are thankful for the Republican losses in Congress. We are thankful for Democrats standing up for themselves and their issues all over the country.
We are thankful that the small-minded witch hunters did not win this round, although we suspect they will be back. We are grateful to Sam Dash for quitting and thereby reinforcing the majority opinion that Ken Starr really does have it in for Clinton. We are grateful that a small and warped radical Christian Right has not imposed its sense of morality and sin upon our land.
And finally we are thankful for this Forum, where we can all express our opinions freely in the great ol' USA! We are grateful for the editors of this forum who have the good sense to kick out the foul-mouthed, hate-filled message posters to this forum. Keep up the good work! Amen.
PS. I am not so thankful for the way some people express their opinions. I like logic, I like to debate, but by the rules. Hurling epithets and calling people ugly names only reflects upon the writers.
Name: Stoner® signing off
email:
Message:
It appears that things have returned to normal here on the forum. Hillary (the smartest woman in America, the woman who made $100,000.00 on a $1000.00 "investment", the woman who remains with her "man" after several, if not several dozen, "affairs") is lauded as a hero. The traffic has dropped to near zero (despite the claim of "2000 visitors a day"). The messages have deteriorated into Christian Bashing and derision of those who still hold the Constitution and Rule of Law dear. I only hope that the end comes swiftly and clearly so that those who pretend to love this nation are shown for what they are: shallow, immoral, weak posers who can excuse any weakness in their leaders so that they might themselves be "great" like them. Time will indeed tell....
Name: SFLiberals to Stoner®
email: Factor Hillary Out and the Democrats may not have won!!!
Message: We're back from an extented thanksgiving vacation. Hope yours went well. About the traffic. While it has dropped it is not anywhere near zero. Hundreds of people come into this forum but do not write. We don't know the reason for this. By comparison, the New York Times gets millions of visitors every day but if you go to their forums the participants are few, and much less in proportion to the smaller number of visitors that come in here, so we're doing OK.
"The messages have deteriorated into Christian Bashing and derision of those who still hold the Constitution and Rule of Law dear."Oh, come on Stoner... you see Christian bashing, and we see a lot of Clinton bashing, HC forum bashing, Editors of the HC forum bashing, etc. We ALL hold the Constitution and Rule of Law dear. You don't have a copyright on that. Why do you look at us through such prejudiced eyes? The main difference I can see between Conservatives and Liberals is that Conservatives tend to be self-righteous and believe they are superior to us. The Liberals perspective is that we are all one family with different views. We usually consider the Liberal position more valid, more progressive and more visionary, of course, but we are also aware that there should be a balance and all opinions should be taken into consideration, which is why all of your messages remain on these forums.
Regarding Hillary Clinton's tremendous rise in popularity, you will note that some very flattering statements have been printed in THE TIMES of London. This is a right-wing publication owned by Rupert Murdoch. Stoner, you should give credit where credit is due: Hillary should be admired for her fortitude during Lewinskygate. Most people would have gone into therapy or hiding after what Hillary suffered this year. She tore up the campaign trail instead, and she delivered -- big time! If you factor Hillary Clinton out of the November 3rd elections the Republicans would have won. Yes, Stoner, it's hard to believe that ONE PERSON made all the difference, but it's true. If Hillary had a nervous breakdown, filed for divorce, badmouthed Clinton or got into the fray it would have been a vastly different story. Hillary was the difference between a Republican win and a Democratic landslide! Give credit where credit is due -- that's the Christian thing to do.
Name: Don R. West
email: Sam Dash's Resignation
Message: Sam Dash resigned because Judge Starr proved beyond a doubt that he was an advocate for impeachment of the president all along, not the fact-finder as his duties and the laws of the land directed. The independent counsel is not to go before the house committee to recommend any action. This he did and for that reason Mr. Starr exceeded his authority and the referral should be disregarded altogether as a one-sided partisan political statement.
Name: Lillian Bergstedt
email:
Message: One cannot read the newspaper or turn on television without being subjected to the mean-spirited posturing and smarmy snottiness of that dimpled-darling Kenneth Starr, or the purely partisan pontifications of portly Henry Hyde, ad nauseam. Since these two are not interested in justice, spare me the details, just wake me when it's over.
Name: PREDICTION
email: Nostradamus
Message: I predict that George Bush Jr will announce his intention to run for president, with Libby Dole as vice president. This ticket will be very attractive - Too attractive!
To compensate for this exciting ticket Hillary Clinton will be forced into the race. She will be pitted against Al Gore in the primaries and will win by a landslide. There will be a Clinton-Gore ticket again, only this time with Hillary as president.
Since the economy will be in very good shape in 2000, people will vote Democrat to preserve the status quo.
Hillary Clinton will be president of the USA in 2000.
Hillary & Barbara Boxer - Hillary & Tom Vilsack
Hillary & Tammy Baldwin - Hillary & Charles Schumer
GIVE 'EM HILLARY
Jubilant campaign rallies showed she could win sympathy.
Results showed she can also win elections
And she delivered. Of course, not every candidate she stumped for won-but well over half did, many in squeakers. " Her impact was electric," says Hank Morris, a consultant who helped Democrat Charles Schumer beat Alfonse DAmato in New York. "We trended up every time she was here." Hillary roped in $1 million for Schumer and $1.6 million for Barbara Boxer, who won a close Senate race in California. She played a key role in Tom Vilsack last-minute shocker over former G.O.P. Congressman Jim Lightfoot in the Iowa Govemor's race. The Vilsack campaign crested when Hillary was there. "The polls were showing a dead heat, and then she brought this burst of enthusiasm," says David Axelrod, a Vilsack operative.
She helped in part because her almost evangelical rallies made great TV. In Illinois, "she got more free media than both Senate candidates," marvels Tony Podesta, campaign manager for Senator Carol Moseley-Braun. Some folks came out of loyalty; others exhibited a daytime-talk-show curiosity about the Hillary Calvary. In any event, her speeches were crammed. In San Francisco two weeks ago, Boxer's people booked a room for 600 for Hillary. Double that number showed up (and they paid toee her). A Rhode Island group tarried four to hear and cheer her. In California, Hillary's phone message startled many of the women who got home from work to hear (the Boxer campaign targeted 775,000 men with phone banks). Some who then to see her at public events would "I got a message from you at home!" Nationally, Hillary's approval ratings never been so high-up to 70%, double level they reached after the health-care fiasco and the reports of her cosmic communing with Eleanor Roosevelt. So how did suddenly become the most powerful in America? For one thing, she turned out to be right on some key issues.
Republicans and reporters mocked her she began the year charging that the President was the victim of "a vast right wing conspiracy." But as the plotters crawled out onto the stage, the phrase started to ring true to some. Later, as paperback versions of the Starr report described the precise topography of her husband's infidelity, she focused not on the humiliation but on how to get out from under it. Privately she fueled a fight-back strategy against Kenneth Starr. Publicly, she defined poise. Politics, she told crowd after crowd, remains a noble pursuit. Her silence about inner life reinforced a public-private boundary the public was beginning to feel had frayed too much.
email: MSNBC
Hillary bounces back from scandal
First lady rides nation’s distaste for impeachment to new heights of popularity
Out of the crucible of Washington scandal and the minefields of partisan politics, Hillary Rodham
Clinton has emerged — not only as a survivor but as a potent new political force for a Democratic Party riding a national wave of distaste toward the impeachment of her husband.
Hillary Clinton has given no public indication of what she plans to do after her husband’s term expires in two years, assuming that the impeachment proceedings against him fail. A number of Democratic consultants believe she could win the Illinois Senate seat if she decided to run, but she has told friends that after her experience in Washington, she has no appetite to become a candidate. These observers say she is more likely to remain active within the administration on issues like education, health care and international women’s rights and play a central roll as a campaigner in the run-up to the 2000 elections. “She’ll be very much in demand,” says Schrum. “I think she’s going to have a very big impact in the next couple of years." MORE....
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message:
DRUDGE REPORT
These are the people you are proud Hillary helped
keep power?! Respect for the Rule of Law my a**. Please...
SUN NOV 29 1998 23:58:09 UTC
REPORTER WITH DOCUMENTS CRAZED ABOUT LEAK
**Exclusive**
WASHINGTON -- The Clinton administration is facing the most massive leak of classified foreign policy documents since the publication of the Pentagon papers more than two decades ago during the Vietnam war. The documents, totaling more than 20,000 pages, have been obtained by reporter Murray Waas, the DRUDGE REPORT first revealed last week.
Waas on Sunday night was said to be "bitterly angry" over the leak regarding the leak.
"He is furious that word got out," a close friend to Waas explained late Sunday night in Washington. "He has been holding the documents close after showing them to two Washington newspaper editors."
The leaked documents include a history of the secret negotiations between the U.S. and North Korea, according to sources who have read them, describing the failed policy of trying to buy off North Korea to forego its nuclear weapons policy. They describe in great detail the intelligence and policy failures that led to the detonations of nuclear weapons by India and Pakistan this year.
Most embarrassing, the papers appear to corroborate, according to sources who have read them, allegations by a former U.N. arms inspector that the Clinton administration concealed from Congress and the public details regarding Saddam Hussein's ambitious program to develop nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.
The papers also reveal new details on the Clinton policy towards China in which the White House allowed ballistic missile technology exports to China at the behest of wealthy Democratic campaign contributors.
The massive leak of classified foreign policy documents caught senior White House officials by surprise.
"The impeachment proceedings are going to have seemed like a picnic, before we get though with this," one White House official said.
During the 1992 presidential campaign, both Clinton and Gore often praised Waas exclusives exposing the Bush administration's Iraq policy, which involved the leaks of thousands of pages of classified papers regarding the Gulf war.
It is not clear when Waas will begin to unload on Clinton. Some in Washington speculate that left-wing Waas does not want to write a major expose about the Clinton administration in the midst of the impeachment hearings, fueling the flames for conservatives.
"He's bitterly angry," says a close associate. "Conservatives have been spreading rumors to pressure him to do it. And now his White House contacts are now extremely angry and have stopped talking to him because he is doing it!"
Developing...
FOOTNOTE: Earlier this year, Murray Waas began reporting on the China tech transfers for SALON [ http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/1998/05/29newsa.html ] -- in news stories that closely tracked with information also revealed by NEW YORK TIMES reporter Jeff Gerth and WASHINGTON TIMES veteran Bill Gertz.
______________________________________
Reports are moved when circumstances warrant
(c)DRUDGE REPORT 1998
Not for reproduction without permission of the author
Name: Mortimer Von Hootenstien to "Nostradamus"
email:
Message: ...and pigs will fly...
Name: SF Liberals to Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message: Welcome back Zippy! Thanks for the Drudge info - we love ya. Zippy did you see your name in THE TIMES of London article? You are famous!
Name: SF Liberals to Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message: Welcome back Zippy! Thanks for the Drudge info - we love ya. Zippy did you see your name in THE TIMES of London article? You are famous!
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message: Glad to be back. As for being famous, I don't remember making the "wide but lovely ass" statement. Really. I don't even remember seeing Hillary from behind. You got any pictures of this reportedly "wide but lovely ass"? We should post one. I'm sure Hillary would approve (off the record of course)!
Name: SFLiberals to Zippy the Wonder Slug
email: csj was the one but you got the credit!
Message: Zippy,
I found the forum where that "wide but lovely ass" statement was made:
http://www.kwik-link.com/cgi/Hillary_Clinton_33_chat1.cgi#Hillary
You are right, you did not make that statement, someone with the moniker "csj" made it. You got the credit because your message was directly beneath the picture.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message: Whew! Thanks, I thought it may have been one of those "blackouts" I've been having lately. Anybody seen my medication?...
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message:
WASHINGTON, Nov. 30 (UPI S) _ Democratic fund-raiser Nathan Landow (Monday) refused to answer questions from
the House Judiciary Committee, citing his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination. Committee
Republicans had subpoenaed Landow for a closed-door deposition, accusing him of trying to intimidate Kathleen
Willey after she accused President Clinton of groping her.
Another "Friend Of Bill" takes the Fifth. Funny, I don't believe
I've heard anything about Richard Mellon Scaife taking the Fifth. Or Ken Starr.
Or Henry Hyde. Or....
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message:
A link for those who want to see the Times article about Hillary's derriere. But remember, "csj" is was mistaken for me. Pretty funny reading...
Name: Editors to Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message: Zippy, thanks for posting a link to the Times article, but most people will not be able to access it, which is why we re-created a link on our site: www.hillary.org/hillary/times.html
People got a little skittish about filling in the long form The Times required.
Name: Lies of Ommission
email:
Message: Kenneth Starr witheld the truth. It is a Lie of Ommission to withold the truth. And the truth was that Starr's investigations into the gathering of FBI files inside the White House and the firing of White House travel office workers resulted in no evidence of impeachable offenses by the president.
Starr witheld that information until AFTER the election. Starr attempted to manipulate the election. Dirty politics by a judge who is anything but impartial. The Independent Counsel is not independent -- he is a zealot and a liar.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Lies of Ommission"
email:
Message:
I'm sorry, I just can't let that one go...
"Kenneth Starr witheld the truth."
Whereas the president lied outright.
"It is a Lie of Ommission to withold the truth. And the truth was that Starr's investigations into the gathering of FBI files
inside the White House and the firing of White House travel office workers resulted in no evidence of impeachable offenses by
the president."
Nothing that would hold up in court anyway. And I'm
sure anyone would have collected classified material from the FBI to
blackmail their enemies and use the FBI and IRS to ruin Billy Dale's
life just because he was in the way of Clintons Arkansas cronies.
"Starr witheld that information until AFTER the election."
Whereas Clinton was unable to do so due to DNA evidence.
"Starr attempted to manipulate the election."
As did Bill Clinton with the finger wagging lies and perjury in two
courts of law.
"Dirty politics by a judge who is anything but impartial. The
Independent Counsel is not independent -- he is a zealot and a liar."
Whereas the president is just a liar... Well, he's also an
adulterer, a perjurer, a draft dodger, a pot head (and according to his own
brother, a cocaine user: "nose like a vacuum cleaner"), a traitor (see the Murray Waas article above for
evidence he sold political favors to the Communist Chinese for campaign
contributions), a backer of Partial Birth Abortions (essentailly the murder
of a full term baby), and a really, really lame musician. Yup, he's
much nicer than Ken Starr...
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "Editors"
email:
Message:
True, the form is a bit much, but I usually make a game of it; those guys think I'm a 53 year old lesbian midget named Gretchen Werbassistein from Austria. God knows what I've done to their statistical data base! Nosey lamers. It's amazing how much fun you can have creating a totally false image of yourself... (Ask Bill!)
Name: Editors to Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message: That's funny! - The Times encounter. You are a real survivor.
Name: You've got to be kidding....
email:
Message: Just heard that the House Judiciary Committee, not being able to get Clinton on Filegate, Watergate, Travelgate, Sex, etc., are now looking into illegal fundraising. Well....now they are really stepping into the sh** Republicans have much to hide in that department too. This could open up a nice can of worms.
Name: Editora to Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message: That's funny! - The Times encounter. You are a real survivor.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "You've got to be kidding...."
email:
Message:
"This could open up a nice can of worms."
Lets go fishin'! Seriously, they've been after the Clinton White House for this
stuff for a long time. You guys can't have it both ways; if lies about sex
(read: perjury in a Sexual harassment case and in front of a Federal Grand Jury)
ain't enough to impeach him on then we'll get him on a more serious crime
(there are so many to choose from!) Unfortunately, the "public" (read:
ignorant, intellectually lazy, WrestleMaina fans) yawns at more
serious crimes like missle technology transfer for cash or fraudulant land
deals as long as they're fat and happy. The public interest in the TailGate is
all that pushed it along anyway! A truly sad statement.
If it can be proven that Clinton knowingly broke current campaign finance laws
would that be serious enough to impeach? Or would you give this guy a
pass no matter what? (Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me (much) if it turned out
he personally whacked Vince Foster for his affair with Hillary. Would Murder
be enough?!) Those of us who look at the overall picture of this president (the
multitude of dirty dealings, half truth's, outright lies and skirting of
the law over the last decade) see a very scary picture of a totally corrupt
yet charismatic politician. The most effective asassin is the one you never
suspect.
Name: Representative Rick Boucher
email: Quotes
Message: "So we're going to dive into campaign finance now? The process gets stranger and stranger."
Name: E. J. Dionne
email:
Message: Republicans thought they had Clinton on the Lewinsky case and are now forced to try to hang their impeachment hat on campaign fund-raising by broadening the investigation at the last minute.
Name: Barbara Olson
email: Former Federal Prosecutor
Message: Committee members have a long road to go if they intend to get to the bottom of campaign fund-raising allegations.
Name:
email:
Message:
Name: SFLiberals
email:
Message: The Republican Party has been hijacked by extremists. They are so obsessed with getting Clinton by any means, fair or foul, that they have forgotten about us. They don't care about the people. Even though we sent them a strong message November 3rd, that they need to focus on the issues WE care about, they still don't get it.
However, unlike earlier months, we are not upset but are celebrating their insanity: "Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves in 2000." Republicans, you will lose control of the Senate AND the House in 2000 because you do not care about us. Worse still you may also lose the Presidency to Hillary Clinton, because it is in your karma so to speak. Your punishment for not serving the people who elected you.
Name: KeiKo
email:
Message: If You think Hillary is one hot chick who is going to run for President, then you better make sure the dogcatcher is her running mate.
Name: J. Reno
email:
Message: Come on Hillie, baby! Let's do it tonight!~ It will be a consenting act between two private adults...and I will make sure the FBI, Secret Service, and 7 government-paid lawyers will afford us privacy.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "SFLiberals"
email:
Message:
"The Republican Party has been hijacked by extremists."
If an extremist is one who believes that the law and their sworn duty
to uphold the law take precedence over public opinion then, yes, the
Republicans are extremists. Thank God someone is.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message:
Ever wonder why the Democrats and Janet Reno have worked so hard to keep
the campaign fund-raising issue from being investigated? If there was nothing
there (as they asserted adamantly for seven months in TailGate) then why
not open it up and clear the air? Exonerate the President if no laws were
broken! Even a moron knows that when you ask a child "What do have behind
your back?" and he immediately answers "Nothing!" he's lying through his teeth. Bill Clinton
is a proven (if not admitted) liar. He lied before. He's lying now. He'll
lie again tomorrow. That's the only thing you count on with this guy.
How can you people be so bright and so blind at the same time?
Name: Last Visible Dog
email:
Message:
Hillary Clinton has never held elected office. Her fame is based only on the fact that she hitched onto a powerful man's coattails and went along for the ride. Hillary Clinton could not even be elected dogcatcher. Somebody is using serious sedatives if they think she could run for president. What is her claim to fame?...she has been Bill "weasel boy" Clinton's doormat - he repeat lied to her – she believed him – numerous times he has promised not to violate her trust and EVERY time he again violates her trust – he has made a fool out of Hillary in front of the world but Hillary “doormat” Clinton stands by her man (like Tammy Wynette) and why...Power, Hillary is nothing unless she is attached to weasel boy. Hillary is the antithesis of the feminist movement. If Hillary had any self-respect she would dump weasel boy and forge a life of her on. Get real people! (I guess this is what you should expect from a forum that still thinks the Democrat won the 98 election (when they lost in EVERY national category – it must freak out the editors that the Speaker of the House and the Leader of the Senate are still going to be Republicans (not to mention, in the last election vastly more people voted for Republicans over Democrats)). The Clinton/Orwellian realm of propaganda is now in place and many people have been convinced that day is night and wrong is right...it is kinda scary (what should you expect from a forum that thinks the Nazis were right wing – The German Socialist Workers Union is right wing – yeah, right…tell it to my wife, Morgan Fairchild (whom I’ve seen naked), yeah, that’s the ticket). Time to move...to Mars.
-LVDName: SFLiberals to LVD
email: Hillary Rodham Clinton will be President in 2000
Message: Great to connect with you again LVD even though you still think the Republicans won the November 3rd election. They lost 100% of all contested races here in California from dogcatcher on up. I don't know how they could do better than that?
Hillary is going to be president in 2000 because she is enormously popular and won the November 3 election for the Democrats. Without her the November 3rd elections would have been totally different. Call her any name you want, insult her attributes all you want, but the fact remains: HILLARY WINS ELECTIONS. Hillary is electable. When Hillary speaks the audience goes WILD!!! I was there and saw it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears.
They will have to force Hillary to run for president because, as I am sure you will understand, she has gone through hell, but she will be forced and will eventually give in. When Hillary appears crowds will go crazy. Hillary will outshine all her opponents who will be forced to wait endlessly for the crowds to stop cheering for her. Hillary is a WINNER! Hillary has been tried and tested. The Republican Party put her through the meat grinder and instead of going down she went UP, UP, UP!!! Get used to it, Hillary Rodham Clinton will be president in 2000. Nobody else will be able to generate the audiences, the ratings and the fundraising capabilities she has. Hillary Rodham Clinton will win the Democratic primary against Gore and anyone else by a LANDSLIDE.
Name: SFLiberals to Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message:
"How can you people be so bright and so blind at the same time?"Zippy, we have our eyes open. We knew who Clinton was when we elected him out of a bunch of other imperfect beings. Since the beginning of this forum it always intrigued me that the right-wing believes that we can't see Clinton, and if they could just force us to "accept the truth" we would immediately impeach him and put another imperfect, less charismatic, less competent person in his place. Life is not perfect, Zippy, life is a TRADE-OFF. You trade one thing or person for another thing or person. You weigh your options and decide which trade-off would be in the best interest of the country. So stop trying to bang Clinton's crimes into our heads as though we are blinded to them. We have our eyes wide open.
Two factors are in this push-pull situation, Zippy, the first is that we elected Clinton flaws and all and we want him to serve out his term, BUT the second is EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, which the right-wing have a LOT of trouble comprehending. I have not met a single right-winger that can see it from our point of view, and that is: If we gave in and impeached Clinton that would set a precedent for the future. It would REWARD those who INVADED OUR PRIVACY! Hundreds of District Attorneys and Special Prosecutors would COPY CAT Starr's excesses and violate our personal privacy even worse than Starr, if that is possible. They would have the green light to violate, not only Democrats, but Republicans too, like you Zippy. Isn't your right to privacy more important than your obsession with getting Clinton? Clinton is only one man. When he is long gone from this planet, our right to privacy will still be intact, but if Starr prevailed then we would lose our right to privacy forever. You, your children and the
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "SFLiberals"
email: Phyllis Schlafly disagrees...
Message:
Media Spin Is Covering Up The Facts
Phyllis Schlafly
Dec 2, 1998
Media spin is disguising and distorting the facts that Americans need to know. Let's puncture some of the spin.
Spin: The Republicans lost the 1998 Congressional elections. Fact: The Republicans won the 1998 Congressional elections by electing a majority in both Houses of Congress for the third straight time, the first time this has happened in our lifetime.
In the 435 House races, 500,000 more people voted for Republican candidates than for Democratic candidates. In the gubernatorial races, 4.5 million more people voted for Republicans than for Democrats, keeping the majority of Governors' mansions in Republican hands.
Spin: The 1998 elections were a victory for "moderate," "centrist" candidates. It was "the year of the moderate" as candidates "rushed to the center." Fact: The spectacular Senate winners were pro-life conservatives Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL), Jim Bunning (R-KY) and Mike Crapo (R-ID), plus pro-abortion liberals Charles Schumer (D-NY), Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Patty Murray (D-WA), all ideological partisans, not a "moderate" among them.
When Peter Fitzgerald won the Illinois Republican primary in March, defeating "moderate" pro-abortion Loleta Didrickson who had been anointed by the Party establishment and Bob Dole, the liberal media shed copious crocodile tears that the Republicans had kicked away their best chance to defeat Carol Moseley-Braun. Typical of the reaction of all the pundits was William Schneider's comment that Didrickson was "the perfect candidate, a moderate woman who supports gun control and abortion rights." The voters disagreed.
Spin: Republican adherence to the pro-life cause is a loser. Fact: Smart Democrats are starting to run pro-life candidates because they know it is a winner.
Three new Democratic Congressmen ran as pro-life conservatives: Ken Lucas in Kentucky, Ronnie Shows in Mississippi, and David Phelps in Illinois. Other pro-life Democrats came close to winning by running more pro-life than their pro-life Republican opponents: Marjorie McKeithen in Louisiana (who almost unseated Rep. Richard Baker) and Glenn Poshard (who ran a tight race for Governor of Illinois against George Ryan).
Ken Lucas's campaign material, mailed out by the Kentucky Democratic Party, described him as "a pro-life, pro-family Christian. . . . No matter how small -- no matter what stage of life -- Ken will fight to make sure life is respected and our children -- born and unborn -- are protected."
Spin: The Democratic gains in the House are a gain for the liberals. Fact: The Democratic Leadership Council claims that more than half of the 23 newly elected Democrats are DLC's "New Democrats" who want to move their Party's ideology away from liberalism, and some of them ran on agendas that are pro-business, fiscally responsible, anti-abortion, and pro-school prayer.
Spin: The gender gap bodes a bleak future for Republicans because women vote for liberal, pro-abortion Democrats. Fact: The gender differential depends on variables other than ideology.
In Illinois, Peter Fitzgerald got 57 percent of the women's vote over Carol Moseley-Braun; in Texas, Governor George W. Bush got 75 percent of the women's vote. Women employed outside the home voted 55-42 percent Democratic, while women who are not employed outside the home voted 52-42 percent Republican.
Spin: Clinton's harangues about Social Security were a big reason why Republicans lost seats in Congress. Fact: Voters age 60 and over weren't fooled; they voted 55-45 percent for Republican candidates.
However, the middle-age voters (aged 45 to 59, who are paying high Social Security taxes and worrying they will never get back what they pay in) voted Democratic, 52-48 percent. That should send a message to Republicans because this age group had previously voted 53-47 percent for Republicans.
Spin: After the election, the Republicans sank into "chaos" and engaged in "bloodletting" in their contest for new leaders. Fact: Newt Gingrich's prompt and graceful exit paved the way for the orderly and harmonious election of new leaders, including the unanimous election of the new Speaker.
Spin: The 1998 elections prove that the people want Congress to abandon its plans for impeachment. Fact: Clinton was not on the ballot, and there is no evidence that his behavior was the reason why any Republican or Democratic candidate was elected or defeated.
Spin: Impeachment is too drastic a punishment for Clinton's admittedly shameful behavior. Fact: Impeachment is exactly the proper and constitutional remedy because impeachment is merely a formal resolution by the House that Clinton's behavior is unacceptable (which it is).
Impeachment doesn't convict him, doesn't remove him from office, and doesn't send him to jail. After impeachment, it becomes the Senate's task to decide whether removal from office is the punishment that fits the crime.
The clearest message of the recent election is that Republicans must stand for something in order to win. Any ambivalence by Republicans about impeaching a President who has obstructed justice will only cause a repeat of the disappointments of the last election.
Name: SFLiberals to Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message:
"How can you people be so bright and so blind at the same time?"Zippy, we have our eyes open. We knew who Clinton was when we elected him our of a bunch of other imperfect beings. Since the beginning of this forum it always intrigued me that the right-wing believes that we can't see Clinton, and if they could just force us to "accept the truth" we would immediately impeach him and put another imperfect, less charismatic, less competent person in his place. Life is not perfect, Zippy, life is a TRADE-OFF. You trade one thing or person for another thing or person. You weigh your options and decide which trade-off would be in the best interest of the country. So stop trying to bang Clinton's crimes into our heads as though we are blinded to them. We have our eyes wide open.
Two factors are in this push-pull situation, Zippy, the first is that we elected Clinton flaws and all and we want him to serve out his term, BUT the second is EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, which the right-wing have a LOT of trouble comprehending. I have not met a single right-winger that can see it from our point of view, and that is: If we gave in and impeached Clinton that would set a precedent for the future. It would REWARD those who INVADED OUR PRIVACY! Hundreds of District Attorneys and Special Prosecutors would COPY CAT Starr's excesses and violate our personal privacy even worse than Starr, if that is possible. They would have the green light to violate, not only Democrats, but Republicans too, like you Zippy. Isn't your right to privacy more important than your obsession with getting Clinton? Clinton is only one man. When he is long gone from this planet, our right to privacy will still be intact, but if Starr prevailed then we would lose our right to privacy forever. You, your children and the
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug to "SFLiberals"
email:
Message:
"If we gave in and impeached Clinton that would set a precedent for the future.
It would REWARD those who INVADED OUR PRIVACY!"
So instead we give a green light to any of our elected officials to break
whatever laws they wish and then lie under oath about it? And it's the
Right Wing that doesn't get it?! Please....
Name: J. Reno
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Message: Come on Hillie, baby! Let's do it tonight!~ It will be a consenting act between two private adults...and I will make sure the FBI, Secret Service, and 7 government-paid lawyers will afford us privacy.
Name: Last Visible Dog to SFLiberals
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Message:
Two Questions:
1. What has Hillary Clinton ever done on her own?
2. Are serious about you views on 2000?
2.b. (if answer to 2 is yes) Are you using recreational drugs?
(at least you seem happy - that at least is good)
Party on dudes (and dudettes)...
-LVDName: SFLiberals to LVD
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Message: No, we are not on drugs, and we are not the only ones who think Hillary will be president in 2000. Get this month's Vogue where Hillary is on the cover and go to page 231 where her article is. They also think Hillary should run for vice-president, but we know she will beat Gore if she runs against him in the primaries. We have seen the wild crowds going crazy with applause which Vogue has not seen yet. Also did you read the fantastic write up Hillary got in The Times of London and MSNBC? Get used to it LVD Hillary is our next president.
Name: SFLiberals to LVD
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Message: We are happy to learn that we "seem happy." Yes, we are happy. Life has been good to us. It is good to know that you can see it too.
Name: SFLiberals to Zippy the Wonder Slug
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Message:
"So instead we give a green light to any of our elected officials to break whatever laws they wish and then lie under oath about it? And it's the Right Wing that doesn't get it?! Please.... "No, no, no.... you still don't get it. Let's roll the camera back and start again... Clinton lies under oath. Starr behaves honorably and proves that Clinton lied. Starr does that without illegally taping conversations, torturing innocent witnesses, manipulating elections, subpoenaing the credit cards, books, bank accounts of innocent people, lying to witnesses to force confessions, and having no financial or emotional ties to the right-wing. In other words if the Republican Party had found themselves an impartial Independent Counsel who behaved in a sane and rational manner, like Sam Dash, Clinton would be in big trouble. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ZIPPY -- We cannot set a precedent by rewarding Starr's excesses. Clinton is not above the law, but by the same token he is not BELOW the law either. Any low-life criminal who proves to the court that the evidence was obtained by illegal means goes free, so why are you making an exception with our president?
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Message: My, my -- J. Reno, you sure are horny tonight babe. You keep asking the same question over and over.
Name: SFLiberals to Zippy the Wonder Slug
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Message: Zippy, thanks for the Phyllis Schlafly article. I hope she keeps putting that anti-spin on the facts because it will assure another Democratic win in 2000. We keep wondering when Republicans will get the message, but with people like Phyllis Schlafly convincing you that losing is actually winning we Democrats will not have to do much to take control of the House and the Senate in 2000.
Dear Phyllis, keep up the good work for another two years, girl. Don't stop. You are going in the right direction to further convince the people in 2000 that two more years will have gone by and soon we will be in 2000 and Republicans still won't get it. Very few will vote for a party to run this country that doesn't get the message. We keep thinking that any minute the light will go on but you keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourselves.
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
email: In (edited) repost mode as requested
Message:
DRUDGE REPORT
DECEMBER 04, 1998 02:59:08 UTC
JUDGE FINDS STARR'S AIDES DID NOT ABUSE
Friday's NEW YORK TIMES is set to report in late editions that Kenneth Starr's prosecutors did not forbid Monica Lewinsky
to call her lawyer when they first confronted her at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel on Jan. 16, and in fact they gave her several
opportunities to call anyone she chose, a federal district judge concluded.
"Contrary to that finding, issued last April but kept sealed until now, President Clinton's lawyers and House Democrats
have argued that prosecutors mistreated Ms. Lewinsky by repeatedly refusing her the opportunity to call her lawyer,"
reports the paper's Don Van Natta, in a story to be posted on NEWYORKTIMES.COM shortly after 5:00 UTC.
"They maintain that the incident illustrates Starr's overzealousness, perhaps even misconduct... But Judge Johnson said
lawyers and agents from Starr's office had not barred Ms. Lewinsky from calling her lawyer and had 'acted within the
ethical rules in questioning Ms. Lewinsky without her attorney present.'"
At no point in his testimony did Starr mention the ruling -- subsequently upheld by an appellate court -- that had
exonerated his office.
Starr's spokesman Charles Bakaly tells the paper: "This is an example where our prosecutors did not discuss rulings that
would have helped us to respond to attacks against the office. We were prohibited from discussing it, because it was under
seal, and we adhered to that."
The ruling by Judge Norma Holloway Johnson is part of a ream of documents ordered released this week by a federal appeals
court.
James Kennedy, a White House spokesman, said late Thursday that lawyers had not reviewed the newly unsealed papers and
would have no immediate comment.
Developing...
As so many of us have tried to point out before, Starr was never free to correct
the torrent of outright lies comming from the White House and Clinton's Defenders.
In time it will be proven just how wrong you are about Ken Starr. He's ten
times more professional than those spin-meisters in the White House. He has
to be in his line of work or people like Reno will shut him down toot-sweet!
Name: Zippy the Wonder Slug
email:
Message:
So, I heard Dan Rather said Hillary should run in 2000, right on TV, where everyone
could hear?
"See, you have to watch Dan Rather, every night, because one day, he's
just going to go totally nuts, on TV, and you don't want to miss it."
Dang, I missed it!
- Sam Donaldson
Name: Henry Hyde the Hypocrite
email: Lying is OK if the means justifies the end.
Message: Lying under oath by Casper Weinberger and Oliver North is OK if we are fighting communists. Now I said a lot in defense of lying in 1987 but I have changed my mind in 1998. I've matured....especially since I want to get the president. I believe lying is wrong now. Lying about sex is absolutely wrong, but it definitely OK to save us from the Communists. Lying is OK if the means justifies the end.
So I had affairs in my "indiscriminate youth" when I was 43, so what? I even broke up a family, but families are as not as important as getting the president.
Name: Gene Eplett
email: Kangaroo Court ! Starr Chamber!
Message: A person accused of perjury including the president, has a right to a fair trial before being found guilty. Futhermore, under the American judicial system, such a person is innocent of the charges unless he is tried for the crime, and convicted. Yet the Republican members of the House Judiciary Committee have declared the president guilty of perjury time and time again, based solely on Kenneth Starr's allegations.
For Representatives Tom DeLay and Lindsey Graham to assert, as they did on Sunday, that the president "is an unrepentant perjurer who should lose his job unless he changes his tone" is to prejudge the case. As Judiciary Committee members they should know better than that. Perhaps the House should impeach them as well?
Name: Controlgirl
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Message: I hope Hillary runs for President in 2000. That will assure us a Republican president. It would be about like Clinton's election based on Perot's assertion of himself into the 1996 election.
Name: ...
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Message: I wonder how much Clinton had to pay a man as rich as Perot for the 1996 election fiasco....
Name: Controlgirl
email:
Message: Hillary for President in 2000!
Name: SFLiberals to Controlgirl
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Message: Welcome Back Controlgirl!
Name: Last Visible Dog to Gene Eplett
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Message:
You do not understand the constitutional duties of the congress nor do you understand the legal system – you do parrot the James Carville propaganda line that is targeted at naive people that simply do not understand. First, the president is a branch of government therefore he DOES NOT have the same rights or obligations of an individual citizen. The president CAN NOT be indicted because it would be one branch of government going against another (this issue is often debated but so far the presiding belief is the President must be impeached and removed from office before he can be indicted (or after his term is over) BTW - We have three branches of government: Executive, Legislative, and Judicial. If the president was indicted it would pit the Executive branch against the Judicial – that is why the constitution spells out impeachment. As for your silly kangaroo court statement – that is complete BS and you are either ignorant or deliberately spreading propaganda. In an impeachment the House indicts for a trial in the Senate (please look up the meaning of the word indict). The House functions as a grand jury and their job is to see if a trail is warranted by seeing if there is any evidence. With Clinton the evidence is overwhelming that is why at least one article of impeachment is inevitable (5 Democrats have already defected from the Democrat propaganda machine and are going to vote for impeachment – that means impeachment is a forgone conclusion). After article(s) of impeachment are passed – THEN!!!!!!!!! the trial begins in the SENATE (see how STUPID your statement is!). Once the trail begins the president will be given the right to a fair trail (like you stated). My only question is are you ignorant of how the government works or are you deliberately spreading mistruth and propaganda. This is scary stuff when citizens actively participate in propaganda (read “The Rise and fall of the Third Reich” if you want better understanding of what propaganda leads to). If you are ignorant of how the government works – why do you flaunt you ignorance? Only in American do people believe that they can speak loudly of a subject they don’t understand. This has been a very bad year - a 7 month stonewall Clinton/White House campaign of lies – followed by the President being exposed as a cheap liar to the world – followed by the Democrat Propaganda machine declaring work on our legal system (James Carville: “It’s a Wahr, It’s a Wahr!!!!”) and the Democrat minions seem more then willing to participate in the propaganda machine. These are VERY scary times.
Hope in on the horizon – he is riding a white horse and has the initials. GWB carved on his saddle – I can almost here the cries of good honest Americans “GW Bush is coming, GW Bush is coming, flush the White House and make way for GW Bush”.
The scandal, dishonesty, and propaganda gets the darkest before the light (you can quote me)
-LVDName: WE THE PEOPLE
email: TPI135TPI
Message: In the defence of or president Bill Clinton: Two things to not : 1) This whole chain of events tageted to bring down the President can be discribed as a compleate power of words game devised and producted by some of the most (sad to say) inteligent minds of the world today . In doing so , our Presidents has had no choice in dodging the cleaver words agaist him (an waiting for anymistake to prob.) but to used cleaver defencesive responces back to the distructive evils trying to bring him down , "our President" If the president is gulty of anything , it would be on a count of trying to use cleaver words to contain anti-bodys agiast the political germs which are trying so hard to devor him . 2) If the government officails involved in the empeachment proceedings were a "Jury of peers" ,the way the jury is seperated could only bring a conclusion of dissmissel of charges agaist our president .Thanks for your time WTP
Name: WE THE PEOPLE
email: TPI135TPI
Message: This power of words game agaist our president must stop.He needs to run our country not play games where the board has been pre-set by the Republicans that only believe in the "WE" part of "WE THE PEOPLE". This impeachment committee is not a jury of peers ,but in fact a jury of some of our Presidents political enemies after all our president did shut down the government to achieve goals that prosper us as the "people . The Clinton administration is an army "so to speak" in route to bring the country "back" to the people . The "We" republicains and associates don'tt like what is happeing because they have to work and shar the dreams in which our country has been set equally on , and they dont like sharin the cookies in the cookie jar. The president is not a lier and didnt perg himself ..He only is guilty on word games because he couldnt use The 5 th amendment ....Thans for your time.WTP
Name: WE THE PEOPLE
email: TPI135TPI
Message: Ken Starr and his carnival of cronies has without doubt been politicaly motivated in destroying "OUR" President Bill Clinton . They have and continue to do anything they can to take his power away . This my friends is in all aspects of law , a ploy to damage our countriy's leader .. This being that "WE THE PEOPLE" voted him into office . But several rich and intelligant peoples , don't want what we want Bill Clinton as president ..and they are trying to ambush our system... This my friends is treason in the hightest degree and is a warning sign to an aprouching attempt to gain dictatorship for these few power hungry "Starr' s People" Thanks again for your time . WTP
Name: WE THE people
email: TPI135TPI
Message: One last thing that is rather amusing that I'd like to share , is that I have shared my opinions with many Republicans and they never seem to say I am wrong. All they ever say is "learn to spell" LOL you don't have to know how to spell in order to think Maybe that's why I can look and judge these situations from an unbiased perspective .WTP I was
Name: The Last Democrat
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Bill Clinton must be thrown out of office! Not for the laws he broke. We all know laws must be broken for the good of the Ignorant Masses. He must must be impeached because he betrayed his party! After the elections of 1994 he turned hard right in direct betrayal of his party! He is a traitor to the Liberal Ideals we all hold dear. Welfare Reform?! Don't Ask Don't Tell?! Tax Decreases<\i>?! Has he lost his mind?! We must support ALL those who cannot support themselves! We cannot allow persecution of the Gay Military! We must make the Rich pay for their Sins Against the Common Man! Destroy this Traitor as an example to our future Democratic Leaders! We must never move to the Center just to appease the Ignorant Masses! We must lead the way into the 21st century with the guiding light of Socialism! Long live the True Left!
Name: Democrat
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Message: Impeach the PROPAGANDIST !!!!! Throw Hanoi Hillary out in the street......
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email: ramona_parsani@hotmail.com
Message: If the message go across to Hillary, I just want her to know that she is one person I hold in high esteem. Many have said that she tolerates Bill's many escapades as she wants the power that goes with being the First Lady. But what the hell why not!! In the face of adversity she has shown just how to hold your head high and is an example to be followed. This does not mean putting up with mans infedelities, rather going about it in a dignified manner. Kudos to you Hillary, no one could have done any better given your unique postion.
Name: monazakka
email: monazakka@mindspring.com
Message: You are one heck of a lady and extremely capable. Don't let anybody convince you otherwise. You also have one heck of a husband. He is smart, has done a lot for the country and he loves you. Stick to him, he is your husband and he will still emerge in a big position somewhere. You are a great family and great people - don't let anything or anybody tear you apart. Good luck on your book, you deserve it. Welcome to New York!
Name: Laura
email: sweetbaby_girl420@hotmail.com
Message: i doubt you will get this but i just wanted to let you know that you are a strong person and i admire how you stuck by your husband even after he cheated on you but a question that me and my global studies class was wondering was if you are going to stay married to him after all he has put you throught? just wondering i doubt you will even get this just wondering thanks for the time friend from michigan
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