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Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 28 Video Tapes Released! Big surprise - Clinton's ratings go up!
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 29 Right-Wing extremists attack on forum. Hacked, disabled, sexual abuse. Forum shut down for three days.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 30 Hillary Clinton in San Francisco. Very popular and very presidential. Fundraising Dinner for Barbara Boxer sold out! Editors of Hillary Clinton Forum invited to attend.
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Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 32 It's not sex, or even perjury, it's a Right-Wing COUP! Dysfunctional Democracy - The Triumph of Theocracy.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 33 Bad News for the GOP - Significant loss in polls after release of the videos on the Internet.
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 34 Peace Accord in the Middle East. H.RES.545 - SPONSOR: Rep Hastings, Alcee A resolution impeaching Kenneth W. Starr,
Click here to review PAST MESSAGES on FORUM 35 Halloween. HUGE Voter turnout expected in California. Judge orders Starr investigation.
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November 3rd, 1998
Historic Day for Democrats
Farewell to Persecutors
Goodbye the Inquisition
Happy days are here again!

Name: Harold Arnaut

email: harnaut@earthlink.net

Message: The Republicans sustained heavy losses because they did not focus on the issues. They were obsessed with Monica Lewinsky. Worse, as somebody said: "They fell in love with Monica." That's all they could talk about. They didn't care about our issues; they didn't care about us. All they wanted was to bash Clinton, every day, all day. Even when we begged them to stop; even when we told them how sick we were of the whole thing they just kept right on shoving Monica, Monica, Monica in our faces. I hope, by now, they have learned that it's the issues stupid.

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Message: Happy News from Wall Street - The DOW IS UP!!

Name: Alice Pemberton to Republicans

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Message: I am a Republican who voted against my own party, as many Americans obviously did. The message we are sending to the Republican party is to focus on the issues the people want and not your get-the-president-at-all-costs vendetta. Your "at all costs" campaign has blown up in your face, and has become extremely costly from every direction and for all of us used-to-be-proud Republicans. You are coming across as a party that has lost its direction and has only a singular focus, ignoring everything else that is happening in the world and in our country.

The message is clear: get rid of your leaders and more importantly, get rid of the Christian Coalition. They have taken you so far from center that you may not get rid of your extreme right wing image fast enough for the 2000 elections. People can't tell the difference between Conservatives and the Religious Right anymore. You are too extreme. You will lose both the Senate and the House in 2000 if you don't do something about it fast. Take a strong stand and kick them out. Good Luck

: Tom Whittel

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Message: Democrats defied expectations yesterday by holding their ground in the Senate and picking up seats in the House. This is the first time since 1934 that the party in control of the White House has gained seats during mid-term elections. Americans have made it very clear that they want the impeachment matter ended quickly and decisively. Will the Republicans get the message? My personal opinion is that the Republican Party is so heavily owned by the religious right that it's hopeless. You cannot dialogue with the radical right.

Oh to be the fly on the wall as Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, Dick Armey and other right-wingers watched the elections results roll in.

Name: San Francisco Examiner

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Message: Republicans suffered their stunning setback in mid-term congressional elections because voters shrugged off the Monica Lewinsky scandal and blamed the GOP for mishandling its impeachment probe of President Clinton, exit polls show.

In results that startled both parties, voters Tuesday flatly refused to punish congressional Democrats for Clinton's transgressions.

Instead they administered a rebuttal of historic proportions to the Republicans, denying them new seats in the U.S. Senate and stripping them of five seats in the House.

After a campaign in which Republicans outspent Democrats by more than $100 million, the Republicans will still control Congress: with a 55-45 margin in the Senate, and an estimated 223-211 in the House.

Before the election, House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-GA., had boasted the GOP would pick up as many as 40 House seats as a result of the scandal - enough to give Republicans nearly a 2-to-1 voting edge.

In the Senate, Republicans had dreamed of gaining five seats, enough to give them the 60 votes needed to end any Democratic filibuster aimed at blocking favored legislation.

The GOP setback was unmatched in modern times, said Robert Hogan, director of the University of Southern California's Citizens Research Foundation.

Tuesday marked the only time since the Depression than in incumbent president's party actually picked up strength in a midterm election, he said. On average, the opposition party has gained 27 seats in the House and two in the Senate.

The out come is "very historic, especially in light of what was going on six weeks ago," Hogan said.

Two thirds of voters disapproved of the way Congress is handling the Lewinsky matter.

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Message: I would just like to say, that Mrs. Clinton has shown great integrity throughout this entire ordeal. Yes, President Clinton was wrong, and yes he should not have lied, but these were indeed extreme circumstances. I also realize that he is the President, but he is not exactly the first president to commit adultery, he is merely the first to have it broadcasted worldwide. Could anyone be expected to admit to such an act to his own wife and daughter, let alone the world via television? He is also not soley at fault, he did not engage in such affairs alone. It takes two... Clinton is a wonderful president and his personal life she be just that, personal.

Name: Editors to Fellow Californians

email: editors@hillary.org

Message: Californians, you make us so proud. You rose to the occasion in record numbers; went to your polling booths and promptly handed the Republicans their heads.

Through the purest most honorable system of all, democracy, you delivered a strong message. The ball is now in the Republican court. Will they be fair, honorable, mean-spirited, moral, or will they just choose to throw more stones and accumulate more sins? It's entirely up to you, Republicans. We Demos have done our part and passed the test with honors while you face the biggest challenge of your Republican lives.

Have you seen the light, yet? Do you get the message? Or do we Liberals have to spell-it-out one more time?

Californians, in a year when "low voter turnout" was predicted, you defied the projections and surprised us all. You went right out and voted "straight Democratic" and won every single statewide contest! You scored 100% Wow! It may be 100 years before this record is broken.

It is the Democrats, not the Republicans, who lead our country into next century. You've made politics fun again.

We are so happy to find ourselves living in this wonderful state, and are wondering how we got to be so lucky, and what we did right? We earnestly pray that Californians will strive to walk in the light and learn past mistakes.

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Name: Dave Abston

email: Voter's Message

Message: The message of the '98 elections:

"Dear vast right-wing conspiracy, drop dead, very truly yours, the voting public."

Are you listening, Newt Gingrich?

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email: The Voters Speak:

Message: Focus on the issues we care about.
We don't care about Monica.
Legislate don't investigate.
PRIVACY IS VERY IMPORTANT
If we have an abortion it's none of your business.
If we want to smoke pot, it's none of your business.
If we are homosexuals, it's none of your business.
Consensual sex between adults behind closed doors, is none of your business
What we buy with our credit cards is none of your business.
What books adults read is none of your business.
No more "putzheads"
No more inquisition.
No more world wide persecution of our president.
No more Paula Jones.
School prayer is out
We can worship whom we please.
A woman may bare her breast in public in Maine.
Gingrich is mean-spirited and out of touch.
The GOP squandered their golden opportunity - their 1994 landslide.
The GOP has gone too far to the right.
The GOP is in trouble and may lose everything in 2000
American voters are paying attention.

Name: Sick of Criminal Leaders

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Message: I can hardly wait for the "Big One" to drop the entire Left Coast into the ocean and end this madness. Wouldn't that be ironic; God striking back for the Right in person. Not bloody likely but we all need our dreams...

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Message: Oh please! The left simply has more sheep in it than the right at this particular point in time. The right still won the elections though no matter how badly you would like to believe otherwise. Wise up...the Republicans won in EVERY category. Get a grip...you lose...we win...again! What you did win, was not especially important.

Name: The Unknown Poster

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From the DRUDGE REPORT:

OUTRAGED?

People were fed up! Outrage and disgust drove the Election of 1998. Voters sent a message to leaders: delivered loud and clear!

Whatever.

Along comes the study by the Committee for the Study of the American Electorate. The findings: Fewer eligible Americans -- 36 percent -- voted on Tuesday than in any election since 1942.

Turnout was down substantially in New York and California, says the report.

In all, an estimated 72.5 million Americans voted on Tuesday, down more than 2.5 million from 1994. And the largest number of eligible Americans in history opted not to vote, estimated at 119.45 million.

NEW YORK TIMES political whiz Richard Berke notes on Friday that the highest turnout of any state -- 59.5 percent of eligible voters -- was recorded in Minnesota, where Jesse Ventura pinned them to the mat.

Name: Laughing at "Republican-Speak"

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Message: Poor Republicans are trying to make a win out of the worst slap in their face this century! Gingrich predicted a gain of 40 new seats in the House and they ended up with LOSING FIVE!!

Poor deluded souls, they are trying to tell us that there was a low voter turnout in New York and California - ha, ha, ha. If there was a low turnout the Republicans should have won, but they didn't. In California the Republicans lost every single contested race from dogcatcher on up. What are we to conclude from that? Maybe only the Democrats came out to vote in California and Republicans, out of disgust for their own party, stayed at home?

Name: The Unknown Poster

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Real Republicans are disgusted with their politically correct leaders. We should have plastered the airwaves with that disgusting punk, Bill "Cigar Boy" Clinton, wagging that finger and lying to our faces. We should have had the backbone to call the Democrats what they are: immoral, lying, dirty little socialists. Had our leadership had the guts to call a spade a spade and give the American People a clear choice, the Party of Law and Morality, we'd have kicked ass. As it stands, we got what we deserved. Time to kick our leaders out and look for men who can truly lead us out of this dark time...

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Name: The Man from Minnesota

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Name: To: Unknown Poster (LVD)

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Message: You have a great idea: Yes, tell your leaders to plaster videos of our president holding a cigar and wagging his finger with Monica popping up behind him every now and then. Plaster this EVERYWHERE!

You are right - the Christian Coalition did not get their message across. Night and day they should play that video on TV and in all the papers. Send the entire Religious Right out to march. March up mainstreet in every city. Carry a banner reading: "We are the Party of Law and Morality." March, march, march all day everywhere.

Redouble your efforts to make sure EVERY American knows what an evil person he is. You pounded into every American head for ten months day in and day out but that is not enough because they obviously did not get the message. You need to do it for another ten months, at least. There are no other issues as important as getting Bill. Forget every other issue and focus entirely on Monica and Bill. You are guaranteed to get a very interesting reaction from the country.

Send your suggestion to Gingrich immediately. He really needs to know what he did wrong.

Name: SF Liberals

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Message: Everybody loves Hulk Hogan.

Name: Stoner to "Breaking News....."

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The only breaking news is that you have no idea what "deposed" means. Newt quit. He quit because he knew that doing so would help his party and his country. He showed honor Bill Clinton will never even understand (much less achieve). Newt just proved that he is not the evil, power hungry partisan the Press and the Left claim he is. Newt saw that the Liberals used him effectively as a whipping boy and decided to do what was best for the Republican Party, the only Party that can ever help this country climb out of the moral sewer it is in. The real question is; will the Republicans do what they normally do when an opportunity presents itself and form a circular firing squad? If they do, this country may well be doomed to decades more decadence and the former Soviets may be proven correct in their claim that they would destroy us from within. I can only hope that they see the only choice is to resort to the racist politics of the Left and elect J. C. Watts as Speaker. The Left would have a very hard time persecuting a black man without appearing to be the racists that they are (they never miss an opportunity to divide the races for their political benefit, perhaps it's time we did the same?) Gloat while you can. It won't last.

Name: Auriceye

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Message: It's about time the Democratic voter hand the Republicans their heads. It's only ashame the Republicans still don't get the message ! It must be to difficult for them to figure out the obvious ! I for one am overjoyed to hear newt (what a name) gingrich is stepping down, I think I would slap my parents for giving me a name like newt! I hope the Democrats hang in there for the next presidential election, this country does not need another "Read my lips Bush" or any other republican as a president. Congratulations also to Jesse "The Body" up there in Minnesota, actual proof that the politician can be handed his head by an average citizen. lets keep it going! Hulk Hogan in 2000

Name: Editors @ hillary.org

email: Gingrich is the Casualty of War

Message: The message from the voters was not aimed at Gingrich per se, it was aimed at the Religious Right which S-C-A-R-E-D them. Gingrich is a casualty of war. He is the leader and must resign because he totally lost touch with the people. He predicted 40 forty new seats in the House the day before the elections and ended up losing five! That's the definition of somebody who has lost touch.

The Republican Party, however, will not recover unless they oust the Religious Right that has a death grip on the Party. To survive the Republican Party must become the Party of Business again, and not the Party of Morality. Morality is subjective, each of us has our own sense of morality, and we don't want someone else shoving theirs down our throats - it's unconstitutional.

If the GOP has the courage to dump the Religious Right they will eventually return to the party we once respected. The Religious Right has often threatened to walk out of the GOP and start their own party. That's a great idea -- get rid of them. Of course, the Republican Party will be weakened for a while, but eventually many Democrats will move over and fill the void.

What threatens the GOP most at this time is that the people now SEE the threat from the Religious Right, which they were not aware of before. They were not paying attention. They thought the Religious Right was just a small extremist group, but we don't see it that way anymore. Had the elections been held three months ago the Religious Right would have had a death grip on us too, and that's what's scared the Democrats into their polling booths.

The Republicans should take back the Party of Business and focus on issues that move our country forward. Throw out the anti-abortion issue and other issues that will anger the Religious Right and force them to resign en masse.

Name: Stoner to "Editors @ hillary.org"

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Now, wait a minute, let me get this straight. All through the 70's and 80's the Republicans were the "Party of Business" and we got lambasted for caring more about money than people (even thought we understood that prosperity was good for everyone!). Now we take on moral issues (in a country rapidly decending into a moral sewer) and you want us to return to our old "money grubbing" ways?!?! Are you kidding?!?! The instant we do that you'll say "There, see! All they care about is Power and (The source of all evil!) Money! They're turning their backs on the poor again!" and go right back to the old set of lies that worked for so many years. Please, we're not great politicians (because we have principles) but we're not stupid! Our only failing was playing fair. Time to get really dirty! Play the Race Card! Play the Feminist Card! Use all the dirty tactics of the Left against them! Lie incessantly! ("Those nasty Democrats want to throw your Granny into the street and take away her retirement money with this Social Security Reform!" Yeah, that'll work if we just keep chanting it long enough!) Sorry, the last people we need giving us advice is the Left!

Name: Stoner to "Editors @ hillary.org"

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And another thing: Did you notice that the only people S-C-A-R-E-D were the ones to weak and gutless to follow a S-A-C-R-E-D path?!

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email: The Republican Social Agenda must go

Message: The American people voted against the Republicans because they repudiated the Social Agenda of the Republican Party.

Republicans must create a social agenda that the people want. The majority of people in this country do not want to force 13-year old girls to have babies. The majority of people in this country believe the government does NOT have ownership of a woman's womb. The people do not want school prayer. The people want Republicans to care about the environment. They want the Republicans to respect their privacy. The majority of the people in this country want gun control. And on and on.... But the Republican Party does not listen.

Yes, we will agree with Stoner that the the Republican Party should not only be the Party of Business, but they should be the Party of the People and must address the needs of Americans and not the demands of extremists on the Right Wing. The Republicans cannot continue to be the Party of Extremists. If the Republican Party does not heal itself and get in touch with what the people want they will lose control of Congress in 2000. This much is guaranteed.

With the Gingrich resignation the Republicans have an opportunity to do some radical housekeeping. Get rid of the extremists and become moderate again. Pull together a social agenda that CARES about the people and our environment.An agenda that is FOR something wholesome, not AGAINST gun control, AGAINST abortion, AGAINST our president, AGAINST the environment, AGAINST freedom of religion, AGAINST... AGAINST.. AGAINST.

Republicans must bring honor and dignity back to their party, and not behave like self-righteous, religious, fanatics pointing fingers at the immorality in everybody else except themselves. Behaving more like religious zealots than politicians they attempt to instill fear and paranoia in the people.

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Message: Hilary is right. It takes a village to service her Billy.

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Message: Hillary was right - there was a vast right wing conspiracy.

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email: Rep. Steve Largent

Message: It is abundantly clear that on November 3 the Republican Party hit an iceberg.

Name: David M. Shribman

email: Gingrich: Instinct for power without a plan to use it.

Message: Thus ends one of the most flamboyant Washington runs ever. He gained power as an insurgent and lost it in an insurrection. His career flourished in an oppressed congressional minority and was extinguished in an equally oppressive congressional majority.

Newt Gingrich was a rebel consumed by a rebellion within his own forces, a strategist with an instinct for gaining power but none for retaining it, a visionary with a blind spot.

He is the speaker who won power for the Republicans after 40 years in the wilderness and then was thrust into exile after only four years in power.

By force of will, by countless acts of persuasion, with a canny and sometimes cruel guile, Gingrich won that majority four Novembers ago. But the man who dared to ask why the Republicans could not hold the majority never dared to answer what the Republicans would do with that majority once they won it.

That, more than his personal eccentricities, more than his ethical lapses, more than his sense of vengeance, more than his disastrous decision to transform this week's midterm congressional elections into a referendum on a tainted president, accounted for his downfall.

His majority was elected on the strength of a radical document, his famous Contract with America, buy beyond the promises in that tract he was able to win no consensus for a GOP agenda for the century's end. Moreover, he offered no legislative road map himself.

So when the bottom fell out this week -- once Republicans realized that a leader who boasted of his sense of history had made a historic miscalculation-- Gingrich had nothing to fall back on: no record of achievement, no compelling agenda for the 106th Congress, no sense that the man who had found the route to the Speaker's Rooms had any rationale for remaining there.

Gingrich h

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Name: Irony

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Message: The irony of it all... Clinton survived the Monica scandal but Newt did not!

Name: Newt's last words:

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Message: "A handful of member have blackmailed the conference. They're hateful and they're cannibals."

Nice guy -- goodbye!

Name: Stoner to "The Republican Social Agenda must go"

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Your post is only evidence of how utterly effective the Liberal Liars in the Media and the Whore House have been. You know nothing of the true nature of Conservatism.

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Message: Please, dear Stoner, here is your opportunity to tell us about the "true nature of Conservatism." The Republican Party need to know, they have lost their way. Over to you Stoner.

Name: Republican

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Message: I'm thrilled that Gingrich has resigned. His obsession with partisanship and getting Clinton vaporized us. I only hope our new leaders will pull us back to the middle with a social agenda that serves the people.

Name: Senator John McCain, R-Arizona

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Message: "I'm saddened by our failures throughout the country, and I think we're going to have to go back to the messages of Ronald Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt. We're going to have to start talking about what we're for and not what we're against."

Name: Jason Goddard

email: jgoddard@kansas.com

Message: Who said the "Monica Strategy" didn't work? It was one of the most successful political strategies ever -- for the Democrats.

Name: SF Liberals

email: More unsolicited advice for the GOP

Message: 1. FEMALE VOTE: First and foremost you must win the female vote, and here's how you can do it:
(a)Dump the anti-abortion issue.
(b)Run Libby Dole either as president or vice-president.

2. MORALITY: Stop trying to force your brand of morality down our throats.
(a) Stop gay-bashing. Dump Trent Lott and other homophobes.
(b) Forget School Prayer

3. RESPECT OUR PRIVACY:
(a) What happens between consenting adults behind closed doors is none of your business.
(b) What adults read behind closed doores is none of your business.
(c) What adults buy with their credit cards is none of your business.

4. SCHOOL VOUCHERS - KEEP THIS!!!
(a) Keep school vouchers. Although this concept is vigorously opposed by the NEA and others, IT IS THE FUTURE! Schools should be competitive just like business. Schools Vouchers coupled with National Tests are the future. Those teachers who pass their students through the National Tests stay in business and those that can't don't. It's just that simple.

5. CHRISTIAN COALITION: Dumpt the Christian Coalition. Stop looking like religious fanatics and start looking like politicians.

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Name: Another yahoo down....

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Message: I understand that Fob James down in Alabama also got the boot. Wasn't he the guy who had the ten commandments on the wall in his court room and refused to take them down? Another holier then thou yahoo that we're well rid of...

Name: Another Disgruntled Republican

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Message: The answer to the question is, yes, Newt had to go. He was too polarizing an influence, and any message he had got lost in the mess he created.

This lifelong Republican thinks the party had better turn more centrist, away from the religious right, away from the gun nuts, and toward a more compassionate view of the world. Honestly, some Democrats are starting to sound more in tune with my thinking than the GOP. If Bill Bradley were to run for President, even against Bush, I'd consider him very carefully. This is the GOP's last chance. If they don't put out a message the country can identify with, the 2000 election will be a bloodbath.

Name: Stoner

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Explaining Conservative Ideals to Liberals would be like explaining Relativity Theory to my goldfish. You guys haven't gotten it yet, why should any more time be wasted trying to? Go smoke another joint, murder another baby, incite another race riot for votes, put another lumberjack out of work to save a spotted owl, whatever. This country is far more conservative today than it was 30 years ago, partly due to Liberal Legislation proving to be an utter failure (can you say "Welfare") and partly due to People like Bill Clinton showing just what kind of slime believes this Liberal crap. Delete away, it was "liberating" just getting this off my chest...

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Message: Stoner, we have lost all respect for you. If you can only describe the Conservative agenda by hateful insults against Liberals you have a serious problem.

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Message: Don't worry Stoner, we won't delete your message. We plan on leaving it there for others to understand what a hateful person you are. Hopefully I don't think you will find many Conservatives who will identify with you, but maybe we are wrong. If we are wrong then we have discovered what is wrong with the right-wing by your example. You need to learn to love yourself, your goldfish, the trees, people, and even Liberals. Life is much happier that way. You will live longer too, trust me.

Name: Stoner

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Make no mistake Libs, I do not want to be your friend and having the respect of people I view as incredibly evil is not important in the least! In the words of James Car-vile, "This is Waw!". In my view the Liberal Movement in this country is the most harmful kind of hate crime! Hate crimes committed with a smile for the good of the victims! You are evil. You and your movement must be destroyed. You are a cancer on this society and left untreated will destroy it. Conflict is the nature of the universe! The destruction of the unfit is in the best interest of those that remain. Your basic philosophy and assumptions are utterly flawed. Like Communism, Liberalism does not work when applied to a world where actual people live. I will dance with glee on the cold dead body of Liberalism if and when I get the chance. I make no apology for seeing Liberalism for what it is and despising it! Your day will come, either at the hands of the Conservatives or when your system collapses under the weight of it's own evil. I will be waiting.

Name: Stoner

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Here is another example of the idiocy of Liberalism (right in your own back yard).

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Message: Clinton will be impeached! Please don't send him or Hillary back to Arkansas. He has disgraced Arkansas and this great nation. Hopefully their is enough decent people to elect a Republican President next election. But the motor voter law that Clinton passed will allow the Democrats to use every dog, cat and everyone in the cemeteries in the USA to vote Democrat. How can anyone say that he shouldn't be impeached? A female pilot in the USAF was kicked out of the service because she had sex with an enlisted man's husband. If there was any CEO guilty of the same thing that Clinton is guilty of they would have been fired MONTHS ago. Get real Democrats, be decent just one time!

Name: Last Visible Dog

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Back from the dead (literally, one of my kids gave me a nasty virus (organic, not computer) and I have been dead to the world for the last week)

First, the “unknown poster” is not the Last Visible Dog. Second, only in the Orwellian Clinton years, where history is re-written daily and the mind-numbed masses are blindly following the Clinton/Carville propaganda machine, would last weeks election be considered a defeat for the Republicans. The Republicans won EVERY national contest. More Americans voted for Republicans over Democrats. 98% of incumbents were returned. Republicans remain the majority party. Republicans defied history by holding the House for three election cycles – the first time in 70 years! Just because Republicans wanted to win by 40 – winning by 6 is still a WIN. What I find amazing about the mind-numbed Democrats is their complete lack of memory – four years ago the Democrats LOST 52 house seats and they think they are the winners because they gained back 5 seats (oh boy, only 47 more to go before you break even!). Let’s not even mention the Governors – the Democrats are so far behind it may be more than ten years before they are even competitive.

As for Newt – the Democrat sponsored multi million dollar campaign worked (is that something to be proud of?) While Newt is a great political mind – most of the mind-numbed masses can’t see beyond the multi million dollar hateful attack campaign waged by the Democrats (Remember, Democrats threw 70 ethics charges against Newt and all but one were thrown out as baseless – and you think they are after Clinton...amazing!). So be it. Newt understood the situation and did the honorable thing – something that would be inconceivable on the Democrat side. What is the Anti-Newt party (the Democrats) going to do now – they have no message? Who will James Carville and the well-funded White House hate machine turn their attention to?

”Join the Democrat part where day is night, history is re-written daily, and there is now absolute rule of law (all the matter is: did you get away with it?

Overty puzzled and concerned about the future of the country…

Name: Last Visible Dog to Editors

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It is the Democrats, not the Republicans, who lead our country into next century.

What have you cats been smoking? It is the Republicans that will lead us into the next century. Republicans control the House, Senate, and the vast majority of states. WAKE UP – the Democrat FAILED to win control of any national category. The Democrat continue to be the minority party. Join us in reality.

Name: SF Liberals to LVD

email: Welcome Back

Message: Welcome back LVD. We are glad you are over the virus. Kids do that to you.

You are interesting to study LVD, because you are a lot like Gingrich who was so out of touch that he believed black was white and a stunning loss was a record-breaking win.

I think you may be typical of a lot of people on the right-wing and those in Congress. You are in denial. Gingrich did not resign and leave Congress because of the Republicans stunning success in the November 3rd elections. Gingrich resigned because he lost touch with reality. He totally miscalculated the will of the people. You are doing the same thing.

Instead of denying reality, we suggest that you have the courage to face reality and decide what to keep and what to throw out of your social agenda if you are going to survive in 2000. Many pundits are seeing that the Republicans will not be able turn this disaster into a win because a lot of them think just like you.

I mean this with all sincerity because we want a strong two-party system, but we can also see that if you continue to deny the message behind the November 3rd results you will get another serious blow in 2000. I will even go further and predict that more members in the Reform Party are going to take away your seats in 2000. So stop insulting us and start working with us. Gingrich was the divisive force that destroyed your party. Don't continue along that track.

Name: to Stoner

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Message: Stoner -- are you trying to tell us that all bad cops are Liberals and all good cops are Conservatives. Or are you trying to tell us that when a cop is bad it's the Liberal's fault and when they are good the credit goes to Conservatives. No... you can't be that crazy!

Name: Last Visible Dog to Hallucinating Editors

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Nice bit of tap dancing – but you did not address a single issues I brought up. More American voted for Republicans so it looks like you should take your own advice. Newt did not resign because of a great loss – (BTW: Republicans won in every national category). Newt resigned because it was a small win and Republicans what a big win is 2000 (BTW: GW Bush leads Gore by over 20% in the polls). Based on the big loss by Democrats in 1994 (52 seat – Mamma Mia ! ) and the fact Gore is showing so poorly in the polls and the Democrats just lost their favorite whipping boy (Newt) – it is the Democrats that need to do some soul-searching before 2000 (it seems the best the Democrats can hope for is losing the White House and gaining the House). Face reality – the Democrats FAILED to gain control of any national category. Every seat in the House was up and the American people spoke – they said “We want the Republicans to control it all”. Sorry, the left may be good at spin – but spin all you want – in January, after the swearing in, the Democrats will remain the loser/minority party.

Name: Stoner

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"A California ex-cop now in jail on burglary charges has been awarded early retirement and a $27,000-per-year pension because his addiction to gambling has left him officially "disabled"."

What I'm saying is that only the twisted logic of the Liberal Mind could call gambling the result of a "disability". The guy is a scumbag thief (I can only assume he turned to theft to pay his gambling debts). He was too stupid and/or weak to run his own life. He not only belongs in jail, he ought to have his pension taken away (or at least forfeited to his wife and kids, assuming he ever had any). This is just one more example of people not being held responsible for their choices. There are too many alcoholics out there who just quit (Yes, they can be "taught" by friends and professionals to stop self destructing if they want to learn but that's not being "cured", it's being educated!). This idiotic definition means that any behavior can be dismissed and excused as a "disability". Dammit, he wasn't busted for limping because he had a deformed leg, he was busted because he chose to throw his (and his family's) money away gambling and then resorted to theft to pay his debts! A cop for God's sake! What a total Loser! He deserves nothing but a hard way to go from this society. If his family wants to be more understanding, fine, but by giving this punk a pass we condone the behavior! (Can you say "Presidential Perjury"?)

What's so funny about this is that you weren't even able to identify what I thought was so outrageous about the story. That's why I don't bother to try to explain what makes Conservatives tick to you Liberals anymore. I've become convinced you just can't get it. Perhaps it's a disability...

Name: Stoner

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P.S. You have no idea how crazy I can be! But I still know right from wrong! Gambling your kids lunch money away is wrong!

Name: Denial, denial, denial......

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Message: O.K. LVD. Just to make you happy. Newt resigned because the Republicans stunning success November 3rd was not stunning enough for the Republicans who believe they can vaporize the Democrats in 2000 because the Democrats poor showing at the polling booth this November. The Democrats were especially bad in California where there was an extremely low turnout. The Republicans won everything all the big events in every national category.

You are right the message the people sent to congress at this election was that – they said “We want the Republicans to control it all”. The Democrats were the big losers this election.

Name:

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Message: "You have no idea how crazy I can be!"
RESPONSE: There's no doubt in my mind how crazy you can be, Stoner. You are right -- I don't think that you would gamble your kids money away because you eat your young for lunch!

"Gambling your kids lunch money away is wrong!"
RESPONSE: Better than eating your kids for lunch!

Well, Stoner, I hate to leave you now but I must get back to murdering a few more babies and smoking joints with my degenerate kids who are gambling my welfare check on the street corner. See you later.

Name:

email:

Message: "You have no idea how crazy I can be!"
RESPONSE: There's no doubt in my mind how crazy you can be, Stoner. You are right -- I don't think that you would gamble your kids money away because you eat your young for lunch!

"Gambling your kids lunch money away is wrong!"
RESPONSE: Better than eating your kids for lunch!

Well, Stoner, I hate to leave you now but I must get back to murdering a few more babies and smoking joints with my degenerate kids who are gambling my welfare check on the street corner. See you later.

Name: Point of Reference

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Name: Stoner

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Message:

I find it sadly predictable that I would be personally attacked but my facts (or even my opinions) would not be disputed. I just thank God that Clinton is so gutless that when we were put into the majority by the American People in '94 he turned hard Right and never looked back. He had to claim the agenda of the Right just to remain popular! And that is what's important, isn't it? (For a sociopath I mean.) Now if the Republicans can quit acting like a "herd of cats" and get their act together perhaps we can save this great nation...

And now for something completely different:
Here is the WebSite of an artist who appears to be even crazier than me. I just stumbled upon his work recently (and could care less about his politics) but his art is just astounding. Ta ta...

Name: Stoner

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There are some that feel that an ignorant army of uninformed voters is responsible for this so-called Democratic victory. I tend to agree...

Name: To Stoner

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Message: We have to agree with you on one thing: You have very good taste in art. Thank you for referring us to this talented artist.

Name: Stoner the Art Critic

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I saw a special on this artist (Dale Chihuly) on PBS (yes, I do watch PBS from time to time, just to keep up with what the Enemy is doing!) It showed the whole process behind the Chanedlier Project. Catch it if you get the time...

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Impeachment Inquiry May Be Expanded

Name: PREDICTION

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Message: The Republicans will drag out the impeachment hearings for months and enrage their constituents so much that the Reform Party will mobilize and take a large number of their seats.

That will be the beginning of the end of the Republican party as we know it. The Reform Party will become the third party for moderates and the Republican party will eventually become the party for the Religions Right.

Name: Stoner

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Message:

What the Hell are you talking about? I haven't even turned on my computer since 4PM yesterday. Why are you persecuting me without any evidence? Besides, your shrill assertion that "hacking" is illegal would only be true if your definition of "hacking" were accurate, which it is not. You see, it depends on the meaning of "hacking" (Thanks Bill!). Quit making accusations without any evidence. Perhaps you could call Ken Starr and have him gather some evidence. You people live in such a twisted universe...

Name: Editors to Stoner

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Message: Anytime a service on the Internet is deliberately rendered inoperable it is hacking. Yesterday we found the hackers handiwork and his taunt in your message, so we assumed it was you. So, now we have two scenarios: either it was you or you have an imposter. We'll keep a closer watch to see if we can isolate the approximate time the hacking was done.

Name: Stoner (Not the "Hacker")

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Message:

Let me get this straight, you think I would try to disable this page and then sign my handiwork?! Please. If I were going to hack your server I'd do it in the traditional sense and attempt to gain sysop privileges, proceed to steal all your data before disabling your system and leaving a backdoor for further mischief. I figure I could do it in a few days with luck. However, I do not have any motivation to silence you since you make fools of yourselves so often. I could never do as much damage to Liberals as they do themselves every time they open their mouths (make a post, whatever). In all sincerity, I get too big a kick irritating you with posts like this to try to shut you down. Not to mention the fact that as a Conservative I support a) your right to run your business as you like, b) your right to free speech even when I disagree vehemently with your opinions and c) Law and Order. Hell I wouldn't even commit perjury in front of a Grand Jury about sex and that's officially OK now! Hope you catch the hacker (I'd love to see how much luck you have persecu... uh, prosecuting him).

By the way, there are 115 people serving time right now for commiting perjury in civil suits. Three of them only "lied about sex". Do you think these three people should serve the rest of their sentences or be set free? What about the others? Just what things should be designated as OK to lie in court about?

Name:

Lying about Sex

email: Respect for Privacy

Message: A gentleman should ALWAYS protect the privacy of women with whom he has sexual relationships.

If forced into a catch-22 situation he not only has a right to lie, but should lie to continue to protect the women. A man who does not respect the privacy of his relationships with women is not a gentleman.

Name: Stoner to the poster above

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Message:

Rather than making a general statement that lying is a virtue please answer the questions posed:

There are 115 people serving time right now for commiting perjury in civil suits. Three of them only "lied about sex".

• Do you think these three people should serve the rest of their sentences or be set free?
• What about the others?
• Just what things should be designated as OK to lie about in court? (Please provide an exhaustive list if possible.)

Name: Stoner

email:

Message:

The revised oath:

"Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth unless it would cause you or someone else to be embarassed for behavior that was itself not necessarily unlawful under certain circumstances so help you (insert name of your chosen diety if you have one here)?"

Name: Stoner

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Now that it's official that we can lie about sex under oath I guess that means that prostitutes can file false tax returns! It's just lies about sex! Heck, it depends on your definition of "sex" anyway! There's just no end to the fun I can have with this one...

Name: Setouq

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I mean to live my life an obedient man, but obedient to God, subservient to the wisdom of my ancestors; never to the authority of political truths arrived at yesterday at the voting booth.
  William F. Buckley Jr.

Name: Stoner to "Lying about Sex"

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Message:

"A man who does not respect the privacy of his relationships with women is not a gentleman. "

But a "man" who cheats on his wife repeatedly while promising never to do it again (on national TV) while professing to be a "Christian" is a gentleman? Hmmmm.....

Name: Stoner

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If Bill Clinton is an example of the Christian Left then I must say they scare me worse than the Christian Right!

Name: The difference between left-wing and right-wing Christians.

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Message: All Christians are human and have weaknesses, that includes left-wing Christians and right-wing Christians. Both types of Christians have made promises to their wives and broken them. Neither side has a copyright on human weaknesses. The only difference between the two is that the right-wing deny their weaknesses which makes them self-righteous. The more they are in the clutches of denial the more they must point fingers at others, which is a mental phenomenon you can read up in psychology books. It is clear, even on this board, that the right-wing have more "denial genes" in them than the left-wing. The right-wing still believes that the November 3rd election was a stunning success for the Republican Party!

Name: Stoner to "The difference between left-wing and right-wing Christians"

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Message:

"But I want to say one thing to the American people,I want you to listen to me. I want you to listen, again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. These allegations are false and I need to go back to work for the American people."

As far as I can tell you guys are absolutely full of *^%$%#. Hyde admitted it as soon as that Left Wing CyberRag published the allegations. Try again losers...

Name: Stoner

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Message:

I'll agree that we are all human (DUH!) but Conservatives at least claim to have morals. Liberals claim that morals are defined by each individual as he sees fit at the moment. Pathetic. Weak. Gutless. Moronic. Evil. Sad. Disgusting. Simple minded. Ignorant. For each of these in the dictionary is says "See Liberal". I wish I could find words sufficient to express my disgust with your hypocritical bulls**t excuses for Clinton and your kind but, alas, I'm only human...

Name: Stoner

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Message:

"The right-wing still believes that the November 3rd election was a stunning success for the Republican Party!"

Question: Who still has the majority in both houses and in the Governorships?

I rest my case...

Name: Stoner

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Message:

Control By Party	pre-election		post-election
	GOP	DEM	GOP	DEM
Senate 100 seats, 34 up	55	45	55	45
Governor 50 seats, 36 up	32	17	31	17
House 435 seats, all up	228	206	223	211

Name: Emily Cole

email: emilymcole@yahoo.com

Message: Hello Mrs. First Lady, My name is Emily Cole and I am a senior at Eaton High School (Eaton, Ohio). In my Current Event's class, I have chosen to write my research paper on you and what your duties are as the first lady. If you could give me any information on what you do from a day to day basis, I would appreciate it VERY MUCH!!! Thank you for your time! Have a Nice Day, Emily Cole, 17

Name: Stoner

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Message:

Will it never end? Yet another example of an idiot with a lawyer using a stupid Federal Law to commit a fraud on a public utility for personal gain! And again in your backyard. This moron, is suing the Metropolitan Transportation Commission because he can't use their website to access the schedules. He's freaking blind! Maybe he should consider suing GM because he can't use their cars to drive too! This is exactly the kind of thing that comes with Federal Laws (in this case The Americans With Disabilities Act) that makes the whole idea a failure! No law is better than a law that encourages this kind of stupidity! Billions of dollars are lost to fraud due to Liberal backed programs and laws every year. This is exactly the kind of thing that turned me against government in general and Liberal Policy (as implemented by laws) in particular.

Anyone care to place a bet that this moron is a registered Democrat?

Name:

email: Chelle8480@aol.com

Message: Dear Hillary fans and followers, I just wanted to let everyone know that Hillary recently made once again another false statement in a speech she made at a University. She claimed that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, the man that reached the top of Mt. Everest on May 29, 1953. Well if anyone knows when Hillary Clinton was born it was in 1946 which was obviously before Sir Edmund Hillary ever even thougjht of climbing Mt. Everest. So even though that is a pretty lame thing to lie about she said it not I!!! Just wanted everyone to know! Thanks for listening, KMS...sad to admit the first lady lies just like her husband......

Name: Stoner the Feminist

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Message:

Just found this letter on the Neil Boortz website (changes every day). I can't imagine why I haden't heard about this before...

Are you aware that electoral history was made last week? Probably not, since the mainstream media treated it as a non-event. For the first time in the history of any of these United States, a state (Oklahoma) has elected women to each of its five top statewide constitutional offices, ranging from Governor to State School Superintendent. Funny how the media are not making much of this story. Even odder that those organizations which list electing women to public office as part (or all) of their stated purpose for existence (NOW, Emily's List, etc.) aren't out crowing from the rooftops about this triumph for women. You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that all five of these women are Republicans, do you?
    -Philip Sasse

Name: Editors at Hillary.org

email: To: Stoner the Feminist

Message: Stoner - we didn't know you cared about the feminist movement or the fact that Oklahoma elected women to each of its five top statewide constitutional offices. This is very good news and we celebrate that fact. We hope this trend continues because the more women we have in politics the better. Personally I don't think it had anything to do with the fact that they are Republican. It's does not matter what party, what color or what religion, it's good that women are getting into politics. I think this wonderful event got lost because they were all minor races that unfortunately got buried in all the surprising national election excitement and the fallout from this historic election.

Thank you for pointing this out to us. You will probably read some articles about this as the events surrounding the national election begin to fade.

Name: Stoner to Editors

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Message:

Perhaps I'm merely more suspicious of the Media and organizations like NOW (especially after their deafening silence on Clinton's Sexual Abuse of Power) when it comes to giving those eeeeeeevilll Republicans any good press. Newsweek put a big picture of Newt on the cover this week and in big, bold letters (bigger than the "Newsweek" banner!) "The Loser". Funny, I don't seem to remember them plastering Clintons face on the cover and putting a big banner over him reading "The Liar". Anyone who says there is no bias is either very biased themselves, blind or stupid. Say what you will about Newt but at least he did what was best for the Party and the Country when the time came.

As for being a Feminist; I love women. I married one of the best. Each sex has it's strong and weak points. I figure women can't do any worse running the country then the men have! I say it's about time we gave 'em a shot! (Especially the Conservative ones!)

Name: SF Liberals

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Message: We were in favor of Libby Dole too, and even stated in this forum some time ago that we would vote for her. Recently however we heard that she announced publicly that the Scriptures should be read in Congress. That blew it! Not that we are against religion, we are endlessly facinated with religion, but we don't want to see any specific religion attempting to impose itself on us - that is unconstitutional. I don't know why Libby said that because we really liked her and regret that she made such a dumb comment.

Name: Joseph Atkin

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Message: What is the identity of this all knowing allways correct moniker known as "SF Liberals" ? They have the answer/soloution for everything. I would like to join and work with them.

Name: Stoner to Editors

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Message:

Explain to me again how reading scriptures in congress imposes a particular religion on you.

You guys, like most of the Left, are so paranoid. Until someone proposes a law that is based solely on a particular religious belief I just don't see how anything has been imposed on anyone! I suppose because one of the Ten Commandments says "Thou shalt not kill" we should repeal all the laws that prohibit murder?!?! Please guys, get a grip. Christians are not a bunch of evil hate mongers. They don't want to handcuff you to a pew and apply Nazi "re-education" techniques until you snap. The only real problem the Christians have with you is the abortion issue (which they view as the murder of an innocent person, for which there is at least as valid a philosophical argument as yours). They don't want to outlaw cursing, adultery, homosexual sex, sleeping late on Sundays or anything else. They don't want to make slavery legal again. They don't (contrary to what you might believe) want to impeach Clinton for adultery or lying. They want him out for perjury (a legal matter). They do despise him for promoting social legislation they believe is morally wrong but that is the right of every citizen of this great nation. We cannot outlaw opinions! Are you guys really ready to say that a politician cannot have religious beliefs? Are you ready to demand that they leave those beliefs at the door as they enter Congress? Isn't secularism just another religion? Frankly, the last thing I want is a bunch of politicians with no religious beliefs running this country. Talk about "Hell on Earth"...

Name: Stoner

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Message: The Associated Press reported last week that Starr had won the cooperation of former Lippo Group executive John Huang in exchange for a grant of immunity. Huang, according to sources, told Starr that a $100,000 payment Hubbell received in summer 1994 from a Lippo entity was designed to help the presidential friend and he was unaware that Hubbell did any substantial work to earn it, AP reported.

And today a federal grand jury in Washington charged Hubbell with 15 felony counts, accusing the former presidential golfing buddy of fraud, perjury and "corruptly impeding" federal banking regulators' investigation of many of the original Whitewater allegations.

I know it's too much to hope for but do you suppose Whitewater could finally be coming home to roost? ....Nah!

By the way, is lying about land deals on the OK-to-lie-about list (yet)?

Name:

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Message:

Starr Sends Additional Evidence

Name: The Prophet

email: Scripture for Congress

Message: Is not religion all deeds and all reflection,
And that which is neither deed nor reflection,
but a wonder and a surprise ever springing in the soul,
even while the hands hew the stone or tend the loom?

Who can separate his faith from his actions,
or his belief from his occupations?
Who can spread his hours before him, saying,
"This is for God and this for myself;
This for my soul, and this other for my body?"

He who wears his morality but as his best garment were better naked.
And he who defines his conduct by ethics imprisons his song-bird in a cage.
The freest song comes not through bars and wires.
And he to whom worshipping is a window, to open but also to shut,
has not yet visited the house of his soul whose windows are from dawn to dawn.
Your daily life is your temple and your religion.
Whenever you enter into it take with you your all.
Take the plough and the forge and the mallet and the lute,
The things you have fashioned in necessity or for delight.
And take with you all men:
And if you would know God be not therefore a solver of riddles.
Rather look about you and you shall see Him playing with your children.
And look into space; you shall see Him walking in the cloud,
outstretching His arms in in the lightning and descending in the rain.
You shall see Him smiling in flowers,
then rising and waving His hands in trees.

Name: SF Liberals

email: We are Free Spirits

Message: Free Spirits that we are
In peace we have lived forever
The cage we escaped long ago
Our spirit everywhere and nowhere
We are a fantasy
Recreating Ourselves
With each movement of information
Love is our guide
And reason our passion
Welcome to the Forum

Name: SF Liberals to NY Liberals

email: Entrepreneurs not Communists

Message: We live in the land of passionate entrepreneuring. We love surfing the challenging waves of economic change. The be on the cutting edge free of onerous restraints; To breathe into our capitalistic lungs the thrill of entrepreneurship and potential freedom every day. What a luxury.

Planning a dream and making it happen, or not happen. Even in failure there are lessons from which to profit, steps to be taken, and another chance to fly with the eagles again. We're addicted to the thrill. So the moral of the story is that, "You can never keem 'em down on the farm after they've seen Paree."

We are true, blue, hardend capitalists for peace.

Name: SF Liberals

email: For Joseph Atkin

Message:

"What is the identity of this all knowing always correct moniker known as "SF Liberals" ? They have the answer/soloution for everything. I would like to join and work with them. "

Welcome aboard, Joseph, we look forward to getting to know you better. May your messages and contributions live in our Archives forever.

Name: for NY Liberals

email:

Message: This is an anonymous forum. No one need identify themselves. Let the issues speak for themselves without egos or $$$$$ driving them. We are all here to enlighten each other; not to get pinned to some mean-spirited, dysfunctional, egotists' wall.

Name: Stoner to Very Stubborn "SF Liberals"

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Message:

Once again you have either missed or chosen to ignore the entire point of my post. Read it again, this time more slowly perhaps. I shall reiterate: "Until someone proposes a law that is based solely on a particular religious belief I just don't see how anything has been imposed on anyone!"

Certainly there must be people of many religious backgrounds in our Congress. I would encourage all of them to read bits of their sacred writings when they felt a need to. After all, religion is far older than government and often far wiser. The purpose of all scripture (IMHO) is to teach, to help young men and women profit from the wisdom of the ages, to guide them to a better, more moral, just and prosperous life. Of course there are morons and evil people that will twist any teachings to achieve their immoral goals in every religion. These people are the true enemy. (I may never fully understand how a grown man could look anyone in the face and declare that the Bible says that oral sex with someone other than your wife is not adultery. How incredibly sad.) But turning our backs on all religion and pretending it does not exist is not only impossible but foolish even to attempt. Again, whether you like it or not, this nation was founded on Christian principles by Christian people. Principle that are not so different from many other religions. Principles that people like Bill Clinton (and so many others) could have profited greatly from.

Question: Do you really believe we should eliminate all religion from government? And if so, what then defines right and wrong? Since you have not demonstrated the ability so far to address this subject honestly I do not expect you will do so now but I had to ask...

In my first philosophy course the professor was easily able to prove that murdering ones enemies was not only not a bad thing but actually the moral thing to do! By simply choosing the preface you desire (that which must be taken on faith as it can never be proved) you can achieve any outcome you desire. This is all Philosophy 101 stuff. If there is no God to grant life then there is no reason not to take life as one wishes. If there is a God then the gift of life is sacred, hence, murder is wrong and therefore should be illegal.

If you believe, as the Framers of the Constitution surely did, that all our rights come from our Creator how then can we abandon Him and not lose our rights, our nation and our liberty?

Name: Stoner

email:

Message:

And another thing:

"Besides, you need to broaden your mind a little and learn to love others besides your own kind."

I love everyone, even Liberals. But when you love someone and you see that they are doing things destructive to themselves and to those around them you are obligated to try and set them straight. We now have a "man" in the White House who has lied, cheated and stolen all his life to get there. And sadly some are still proud of this man because he says things that sound good and wise. We have exchanged our desire for personal morality for the much less demanding "public morality". As long as you say the right things it matters not what you do in your "personal life". Well, I submit to you that, much like respect, without personal morals the public morals are meaningless, empty words.

Name: SF Liberals

email: Our names

Message: We don't have our real names on this board for the same reason you don't have your real names on this board. At least we have a real email address and you don't, so we are one up on you when it comes to identity.

Furthermore do you really think that would be smart to give you our names? Come on use your common sense. We would get threatening phone calls from the rabid right. Our names and those of our families would be smeared in the Weekly Standard. Little Kenny Starr would have our phone lines tapped, our friends questioned, our credit cards subpoenaed; everything we ever bought listed. We don't want Kenny peeping through our keyholes.

We used this argument many times and the right wing always respond that if we did not have anything to hide we would not mind Kenny doing these things to us. We lead a very clean and moral life and are held in high esteem in our community, but we would like to remain private citizens. We don't want everything we do made public. You see we went through that years ago and it gets ugly. There's always somebody out there that wants to get you and will twist everything you do into sh*t. We like to walk in the street alone without fear that we will be accosted or watched. We like to sit in the coffee shops and chat with folks; blend into the crowd just like everybody else. We enjoy the security of just being nobody.

Why don't you just accept us as a fantasy. We accept you.

Name: SF Liberals to Amey Evans

email: SFLiberals@hillary.org

Message: Amey, go tell you Daddy not to teach you to shame people. He is trying to shame us, or trick us, through you and that is not a good thing to teach a child. Neither you nor your Daddy have given us your email addresses, but we have given you ours. So now go back and tell your Daddy that before he tries to shame us, or trick us again we will need his real email address. If he does not have the courage to do that then tell him to forever hold his peace and not to find evil where there is no evil.

Name: SF Liberals to Stoner

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Message: Stoner, would you please read what we say:

"Love is our guide and reason our passion."

Is this not good enough for you, Stoner, or do you believe that God is not love?

"But turning our backs on all religion and pretending it does not exist is not only impossible but foolish even to attempt."

Stoner, you have a love-hate relationship with Liberals. In one sentence you "love everyone, even Liberals," and next message you tell us how evil we are. OK we can handle it.

Our spiritual direction DOES come from our Creator. But how we define the origin of our creation and the purpose of our creation is what separates us, and herein lies the danger. If we could rise above our need to believe in our superiority over other religions and accept that while the origin of our creation is the same there is a reason why we travel on different spiritual paths, we could have peace. But it is in our nature to win over others.

"In my first philosophy course the professor was easily able to prove that murdering ones enemies was not only not a bad thing but actually the moral thing to do! By simply choosing the preface you desire (that which must be taken on faith as it can never be proved) you can achieve any outcome you desire. This is all Philosophy 101 stuff. "

But our objective is to reach a level of civilization where we do not have to take life in order to survive. We are not there yet, but we are further along than the Eskimos.

Name: SF Liberals to Stoner

email: Life is Sacred

Message: If you believe abortion is murder, and that all life is sacred, I hope you are not like the rest of the right-wingers who believe ONLY unborn life is sacred. They don't think it's sacred when it relates to the death penalty, or to the number of guns people can freely buy to kill each other. They think it's OK for Trent Lott to rail against homosexuals as evil, thus inspiring their extremists to go out and kill them. It seems to me that right-wingers think all unborn life is sacred, but after the unborn are born and begin to define themselves, right-wingers become most intolerant of the sacred lives of these people who differ from them. What if science found a way to tell beforehand that one of the unborn was destined to be a homosexual. Would you still consider that life sacred?

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Name: Stoner to "SF Liberals"

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"It is moral for the Eskimos to kill their firstborn if it is a girl because she cannot hunt enough food for the family to survive."

Gee Wiz did you ever read me wrong on that one! I'm sorry I was not clear that the professor's example was meant to show that any outcome can be achieved if the preface is flawed enough. That was his whole point. It is never moral to kill anyone. It may be the only practical solution but it is never moral. Assuming that you believe in a Creator that gives us life you must logically regard that life as the most sacred of gifts. Killing anything is a slap in the face to God but killing a person is the ultimate insult! This is why even suicide is considered immoral by Christians. They believe, in a way, that your life is not yours to throw away. It is a sacred gift not to be carelessly wasted. I don't know if you guys are Christians or share these views but they are all quite logical conclusions given the premises of Christian Doctrine.

Perhaps I can clear up the Abortion/Capitol Punishment thing for you. An unborn child has a) not committed any offence and b) never had a chance to live, a great waste of potential. A convicted murderer on the other hand has a) committed the ultimate offence and b) had many years to live, and squandered that potential. There is simply no comparison. Perhaps female Eskimo babies must, by the harshest necessity, be sacrificed for the survival of the tribe (though there are those who might even disagree in this most extreme of cases). Perhaps it is necessary to end a murderers life when no one is safe while he lives (and there are those who would disagree here as well). But it is never moral and rarely necessary to kill an unborn child in a nation where so many would be happy to raise it as their own. This is where most of my Christian friends are coming from. I am not Christian but I share the vast bulk of my moral and ethical views with them.

And lastly, I hate to be so stubborn, but you have continued to ignore my earlier point :
"Until someone proposes a law that is based solely on a particular religious belief I just don't see how anything has been imposed on anyone!"
Will you please address this. I'm really curious how you could possibly respond to this (and I'm sure Libby Dole would be as well!).

Name: Democracy - Love it or Leave it

email: If you love it you"ll defend it - and our rights too

Message: Life is imperfect
Democracy more so - but...
our lifeboat it provides
-into the next century

Democracy - Love it or Leave it
We, the Democratic Party
elected a man as our president
We picked him from millions
imperfect beings all
He represents our feelings
our weaknesses
our need for comfort and security
He's family in spirit
We praise his strengths
But his ability to endure
Endless Persecution
Exhausts us entirely
Where does he get the wherewithal
to forge Peace in the Middle East
when we are struggling to overcome
a media overload of his petty sins
And he does his job well
Not many countries enjoy
our economic boom
The good times are here
Celebrate - don't investigate
We have a right as Democrats
to have our president
finish his term
In Peace, Honor and Dignity

That is our Right
as Democrats
as Americans
as everyone yearning to be free
We speak to you
Not through
Bill Clinton
But to you
YOU

We elected this man for eight years. Everybody who believes in Democracy should defend our right to have our candidate serve out his eight year term. It was a fair election in THREE electi

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Message: Everybody who believes in Democracy should defend our right to have our candidate serve out his eight year term. It was a fair election in THREE elections! Three times we sent our message to you - "we want Bill Clinton to finish his term." And you deny us that right. Well, three strikes and you're out - leave our duly elected president in peace.

We urge you to support our efforts to get this thing behind us. Hillary and Bill won the Election, 1998, 1996 & 1992 Gingrich's head rolled. You lost - we won, so drop your ridiculous impeachment foolishness. 1+1=2 It's just as simple as that. Let's all go back to discussing more important matters and enjoy our wonderful lives. Live what your believe Jesse "the body" Ventura advises. Follow the winner. We, as Democrats and Americans have the right to enjoy, and to benefit from what our elected president has to offer, flaws and all.

True Americans will Defend this sacred principle of Democracy: "Don't ever try to reverse a popular election." Never, never, never....

Name: SF Liberals to Stoner

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Message: Change:
"All live is sacred."

TO:
All life is sacred until it is born, and then it must qualify according to (____?)'s morality.

We prefer our logic neat and orderly, and that you own your words.

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Message: Everybody who believes in Democracy should defend our right to have our candidate serve out his eight year term. It was a fair election in THREE elections! Three times we sent our message to you - "we want Bill Clinton to finish his term." And you deny us that right. Well, three strikes and you're out - leave our duly elected president in peace.

We urge you to support our efforts to get this thing behind us. Hillary and Bill won the Election, 1998, 1996 & 1992 Gingrich's head rolled. You lost - we won, so drop your ridiculous impeachment foolishness. 1+1=2 It's just as simple as that. Let's all go back to discussing more important matters and enjoy our wonderful lives. Live what your believe Jesse "the body" Ventura advises. Follow the winner. We, as Democrats and Americans have the right to enjoy, and to benefit from what our elected president has to offer, flaws and all.

True Americans will Defend this sacred principle of Democracy: "Don't ever try to reverse a popular election." Never, never, never....

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Name: Stoner to Intellectually Lazy SF Liberals

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"All life is sacred until it is born, and then it must qualify according to (____?)'s morality."

Once again I spend valuable time to explain my points very clearly and you blow me off with a non sequitur. Typical. Sad, but typical. I suppose you're just not up to the challenge. Logic is the domain of the Conservative and Emotion is the domain of the Liberal. This is why Clinton is so inclined to think with his penis...

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email: to SF Liberals

Message: How dare you speak for the rest of the people. Your words "DEMOCRACY"& "DEFENSE" are as if spoken by those absorbed in thier own self deceit. This filthy, perverted, deceptive, piece of excrement, called 'Clinton', was deceptively placed in the White House by a crazed mass of his own kind. The Excrement in Chief is a Dictator waiting to be released to preform his evil upon the good and just people of this country. The President is a monster being held in check by a Constitution created by the good and just to keep such freaks in thier cages in the event the 'Stupid' allow such to a position of power. The President has no more respect for the Constitution than a Queer has respect for the children of the good and honest people of america. The Freak in Chief should be hauled out in a straight jacket and thrown in with the other Charles Mansons.

Name: Tom Bentley

email: to SF Liberals

Message: How dare you speak for the rest of the people. Your words "DEMOCRACY"& "DEFENSE" are as if spoken by those absorbed in thier own self deceit. This filthy, perverted, deceptive, piece of excrement, called 'Clinton', was deceptively placed in the White House by a crazed mass of his own kind. The Excrement in Chief is a Dictator waiting to be released to preform his evil upon the good and just people of this country. The President is a monster being held in check by a Constitution created by the good and just to keep such freaks in thier cages in the event the 'Stupid' allow such to a position of power. The President has no more respect for the Constitution than a Queer has respect for the children of the good and honest people of america. The Freak in Chief should be hauled out in a straight jacket and thrown in with the other Charles Mansons.

Name: Tom Bentley

email: to SF Liberals

Message: How dare you speak for the rest of the people. Your words "DEMOCRACY"& "DEFENSE" are as if spoken by those absorbed in thier own self deceit. This filthy, perverted, deceptive, piece of excrement, called 'Clinton', was deceptively placed in the White House by a crazed mass of his own kind. The Excrement in Chief is a Dictator waiting to be released to preform his evil upon the good and just people of this country. The President is a monster being held in check by a Constitution created by the good and just to keep such freaks in thier cages in the event the 'Stupid' allow such to a position of power. The President has no more respect for the Constitution than a Queer has respect for the children of the good and honest people of America. The Freak in Chief should be hauled out in a straight jacket and thrown in with the other Charles Mansons.

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Name: SFLiberals to Stoner

email: What are the Rules

Message: We asked you a simple question and were surprised to find you emotional and insulting response. We will re-phrase:

QUESTIONS:
1. Is ALL life sacred or just that of the unborn?
2. If some lives are not sacred after they are born, then who makes that decision? What are the rules?
3. I assume your life is sacred, but would we pass your test?

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Name: SFLiberals to Stoner

email: To answer your question

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"Until someone proposes a law that is based solely on a particular religious belief I just don't see how anything has been imposed on anyone!"

Name: SFLibs to Stoner

email: On Religion and Revelation

Message: Religion comes to us in many ways. It can be handed down to us by our ancestors, but it also comes to us directly through Revelation, which updates our understanding of the Universe and makes us different from each other.

Many people are guided in their unique Spiritual Paths through personal revelations, which differ somewhat from those of the mainstream. The mainstream, unfortunately, tend to believe that more is better and are intolerant of unique Spriritual Paths. They fail to understand that in so doing they are slapping the face of God.

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Name: Alan Dershowitz

email: On the Impeachment Inquiry Against President Clinton

Message: "I think that there will be a deal, in fact. The deal will be very hard to strike, and it may in the end be unconstitutional."

Name: Compassionate Liberal

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Message: I wonder if Hillary could have some influence regarding Honduras. I would much rather see our helicopters saving lives in Honduras than killing Iraquis. I am embarrassed that there are more Mexican helicopters in Honduras than American. Why? Hillary, you are going to Honduras, when you come back please change these priorities. < P>

Name: SF Liberals to Drudge Report Reader

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Message: We are not all-knowing - We are nobody!

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Name: Bystander

email: beengel@earthlink.net

Message: This forum has more to offer than the Drudge Report lately. When I go there Drudge just links me to other news media which I have already read. Big deal! At least we can get some original discussion here. I am a moderate and have learned a lot about the abortion issue watching the debate coming from both extremes. Where on the internet can you get this? If you know a better place where I can observe *both* extremes debate without screaming at each other like hateful, irrational zealots, please let me know. If you can direct me to a forum where there are amusing cartoons and artistic expressions like what you see here, please give me the URL.

Name: Stoner to "SFLiberals"

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QUESTIONS:
1. Is ALL life sacred or just that of the unborn?
If you would pay a bit more attention you would have the answer. Quote: "Assuming that you believe in a Creator that gives us life you must logically regard that life as the most sacred of gifts. Killing anything is a slap in the face to God but killing a person is the ultimate insult!" This very clearly states that all life is sacred (to those of us who believe it is a gift from the Creator).

2. If some lives are not sacred after they are born, then who makes that decision? What are the rules?
All life is sacred. On occasion, as you have pointed out, extreme conditions can call for death.

3. I assume your life is sacred, but would we pass your test?
All life is sacred. But if you take a life purposely and without reason (self defense, survival of the tribe, etc.) it is arguable that you "owe" society your own life.

On another point:
"When a government allows religion to be expressed in a public domain, the dominant religion will prevail and impose itself on us. Surely you know that. "

Am I to understand you are now for the repeal of the First Amendment?! As Mr. Spock would say: "Most puzzling".

Name: Stoner to "SFLiberals"

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"Stoner, you have a love-hate relationship with Liberals."

A Christian friend pointed out to me just how right you are, I hate the sin but I love the sinner. I was rather pleased that this came so naturally to me.

Ta ta...

Name: SF Liberals to Stoner

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"Am I to understand you are now for the repeal of the First Amendment?! As Mr. Spock would say: "Most puzzling".

Gee whiz - it's a little difficult for us to communicate, but we're definitely getting better at it!

Name: Stoner to "SF Liberals"

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"No, no, no ...You asked me what would be wrong with Libby wanting the Scriptures to be read in Congress."

So then you're saying you only want to repeal the First Amendment for members of Congress? Shouldn't they have the same right to free speech at work as the rest of us?

I still contend that until a bill is drafted that attempts to establish a particular religion as the Official State Religion you got no case.

To review, your quote was : "Recently however we heard that she announced publicly that the Scriptures should be read in Congress."

If Libby Dole wanted to make it a law that the Scriptures be read in Congress then I'd be right there with you (but I feel confident that she would never promote that idea as it is so clearly unconstitutional), but if she (or anyone else for that matter) wanted to read them because they felt like it I'd be right there with them! In reading the post I never got the impression anyone wanted to legislate anything. Did I misunderstand? Did she indeed propose a law regarding this? Or are you persecuting her for speaking out about her Christian beliefs? Surely you'd never do that!

As I pointed out before : "Thou shalt not kill" is in the bible and we outlawed murder. ALL law is based on religious belief and/or philosophy. The Framers understood that. Close inspection of the Constitution and the Framers other writings shows plainly that they wanted to prevent the legalized persecution of religions by any Official State Church or laws that favored one religion over the others as had been the case in England (which was a big part of what caused the mass exodus from England). They had no intention of eliminating religious beliefs in Congress or anywhere else. Furthermore, They plainly understood how important having a high moral standard would be to the survival of this delicate republic. Maybe I'm just a bit more of a history buff than the average American but in the reading I've done these things are painfully clear.

I just think you guys are way to paranoid about this stuff. If you ever actually hear of a bill that would codify favoritism toward a particular religion or church then let me know. I'll be the first one in line to protest and have it struck down by the Supreme Court! But if your aim is to eliminate religious beliefs in the halls of Congress I can only hope that you fail miserably.

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All...this is not a game, this is not a joke, THIS IS A REAL SUGGESTION.

Are you concerned about how the Y2K situation will affect you? How will you know how you'll be affected? How CAN you know? Will there be widespread power black-outs? Will phones work? How about the Air Traffic Control system? Other systems?

Well, there is a way to get a pretty good idea how you'll be affected. Everyone can know. You can pretty much know how Government will be impacted. You can know how Financial institutions will be impacted. Communications. Transportation. Food, water, fuel, social, others...

One small challenge. In order to find out, we need to pool our efforts. We all need to cooperate.

How do we find out? Fairly simple. Let's have a small dress rehersal. On Thursday, December 31, 1998, EVERYONE sets their computer (and other applicable) clocks to December 31, 1999. Military. Water treatment plants. TV. Banks. You. EVERYONE! All leave their systems "mis-set" for one week. Evaluate the results and see exactly what issues arise and need to be addressed.

We've got a month and a half to get ready for the test. Actually, come to think of it, accomplishing just the test will tell us a lot about ourselves.

Thurs December 31, 1998 change clocks to December 31, 1999. Friday January 8, change 'em back.

The result? Everyone will get an idea what Y2K will bring and have 1 year to address and prepare for what's found.

Could this test create problems? Of course! That's why you do the test. I don't know about you, but I'd rather do a small test under controllable circumstances and know what's ahead than be surprised Jan. 1, 2000 with no clue and no time left to work on the surprises!

Government, do you want to demonstrate that you're out to do what's best for people? Get behind this. It's one week. Just one week. You will have ABSOLUTELY and UNDENYABLY demonstrated that you're taking the reigns here. (If you don't like this idea, propose your own and run with it. Lead!)

Media, do you want to show that you're out to benefit the public? Here's a BIG chance.

Email this to everyone you know. EVERYONE. Make this small, but VERY IMPORTANT test happen.

Again, simply, here's the plan. On December 31, 1998, everyone turn all clocks (mainframe, pc, embeded systems, etc.) forward one year. A week later, change them back. Evaluate the results.

Downside - we generate problems for 1 week that wouldn't have happened otherwise. How big? WE DON'T KNOW!!!

Upside - we get pretty good insite into what Y2K will bring...1 year in advance. The 1 week of problems are temporary, but everyone will know what to expect and what to work on.

If you think this is a good idea and want to tell someone you want better idea what's comming down the road, besides emailing everyone you know, here are a few email addresses you might want to send to:

president@whitehouse.gov

first.lady@whitehouse.gov

vice.president@whitehouse.gov

We can wait around and let the experts tell us what they guess the Y2K future will bring...or we can bring the future to us and KNOW.

Got a question for you. If we can't handle a 1 week test, how are we going to handle Y2K itself?

Name: Stoner (the real one)

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SF Liberals, be advised: some gutless, brainless, talentless, homophobic loser is using my moniker (again?). Apologies.

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Message: Are you concerned about how the Y2K situation will affect you? Is there any way to know how you'll be affected? Yes. Let's have a small dress rehearsal. On Thursday, December 31, 1998, EVERYONE sets their computer (and other applicable) clocks to December 31, 1999. EVERYONE! All leave their systems "mis-set" for one week. Evaluate the results and see exactly what issues arise and need to be addressed. Email this to everyone you know. EVERYONE. Here are a few email addresses you might want to send to also to let them know what you think:

president@whitehouse.gov

first.lady@whitehouse.gov

vice.president@whitehouse.gov

We can wait around and let the experts tell us what they guess the Y2K future will bring...or we can bring the future to us and KNOW.

Name: Last Visible Dog

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A dress rehearsal of the Y2K problem would not work very well. For example, I am a software engineer and I write software for the finical community that uses interrelated date oriented data (stock pricing, dividends, transactions,etc). If everybody faked the year 2000 – that would work OK but giant problems would arise when we tried to switch back to the correct date. We would have a weeks worth of exponentially interrelated erroneous data that would be nearly impossible to reconcile. My company has been doing test runs (faking the year 2000) for over a year now (like most companies) and that works OK – but IMHO the nation-wide test run ain’t never gonna happen because it would cause more problems then it would solve.

Name: Stoner to LVD

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Hitting the reload button after posting can cause re-posting. Watch the "Location" bar in the browser. If you see a bunch of stuff after the URL don't hit reload.

Name: Stoner®

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Actually, I do. So you better cease and desist before I sick my lawyers on you! I suggest a change to "Lamer" as it would be more accurate.

Seriously, I got here first so if you wanna use "Stoner" add some trademark to your posts so I don't get accused of being a moron and you don't get accused of being right...

Name: Stoner®

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Message: Actually, I do. So you better cease and desist before I sick my lawyers on you! I suggest a change to "Lamer" as it would be more accurate. Seriously, I got here first so if you wanna use "Stoner" add some trademark to your posts so I don't get accused of being a moron and you don't get accused of being right... P>

Name: SFLiberals to the Real Stoner

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Message: Stoner, have no fear that we will mistake your immitator for you. You are a worthy adversary and your immitator is just a low-life homophobe. He could not come up to your intellectual level if his life depended on it!

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Message: To: LVD

I believe the nationwide test would create problems. Is it better to wait till Jan. 2000 and see what we're dealt? Do we already know that Y2K will bring us less problems than the 1 week test? Your company is testing its part, and that's great, but what about the impact of your vendors and suppliers? What about infrastructure? Is there any validity to what the doom-sayers tell us about power, water, transportation, communications? Is there any possibility that doing a 1 week test would be more insitefull and motivational than just waiting around to see what Jan 2000 brings?

Is there any widespread cross organizational test that you could see occuring?

I'd rather do something than wait to be done to.

Name: Editors@hillary.org

email: How to avoid duplicate messages

Message: If you make a message and then hit the "refresh" button your message will duplicate itself. The way to avoid this is:
1. Don't hit the "refresh" button if you have made a message. Bookmark this page first and then make your message. If at some later stage if you want to refresh hit the bookmarked page instead. This will clear your previous message.

2. As Stoner said, if you see+your+message+looking+like+this+in+the+location+bar DO NOT hit "refresh."

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Name: Raoul

email: doctordeming@hotmail.com

Message: Hillary 2000, Hillary 2000, that all I heard about today. So I looked it up on the internet. Guess what I found out. It turns out that that little puppy takes eight, count 'em, eight "D" cells. Wow, what a woman...........

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Name: Stoner® to "Raoul"

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You, sir, are a very sick man. Keep up the good work!

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Name: Janice Wigley (yellow dog)

email: cole@spis.net

Message: the news media and Republicans had little concern for the country in trying to weaken the presidency but I'm writing to ask you to try to make insurance affordable for wives of retirees who are no longer insured under husband's insurance when he is eligble for medicare and she is not.--Janice Wigley .

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Name: Vince Foster

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I loved Hillary too. See where it got me?

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Message: What a bunch of dumbf#cks you libs are. you deserve that slut hillary and all her baggage.

Name: Last Visible Dog

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Group Complains Over Clinton Speech

BALTIMORE (AP) -- An election-eve church speech by President Clinton has provoked a complaint to the Internal Revenue Service, claiming the church violated its tax-exempt status.

Americans United for the Separation of Church and State said the Nov. 1 service at New Psalmist Baptist Church amounted to a Democratic rally, The (Baltimore) Sun reported today.

Knowing how important the separation of church and state is to the editors - I assume the editors will be publicly speaking out against Bill "weasel boy" Clinton's obvious violation of the separation of church and state.

Name: Stoner®

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LVD brings up an interesting point. Should we allow our politicians to use the pulpit to further their political interests? Certainly if you have reservations about scripture being read in Congress (by members of that house) you must have similar reservations about political speeches made (by the politicians themselves) in church. Or am I missing something here?

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Name: A LOYAL AMERICAN AND MOTHER

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Message: I JUST WANTED TO SAY, THAT AFTER WATCHING THE HEARINGS TODAY, I AM VERY MUCH CONVINCED THAT THIS MATTER IS A VERY EXSPENSIVE, POLITICALLY CONCOCTED WITCH HUNT. AFTER NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND ANY CONCRETE EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, UP POPS LINDA TRIPP, ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN LACKEYS KNOWING, OR SUSPECTING THAT OUR PRESIDENT WOULD SUCCUMB TO THE ADVANCES OF A YOUNG, FRESH-FACED,INNOCENT APPEARING INTERN OF THE FEMININE PERSUATION, CAREFULLY MANIPULATED THIS SCENARIO, AND MADE SURE IT WAS ON TAPE. MR. CLINTON TRYING TO PRESERVE MARRIAGE AND HIS PRIDE,LIED. THIS IS NOT AS BAD AS THE NIXON FIASCO, WHICH CONGRESS DECIDED TO VOTE AGAINST IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. TO MAKE A LONG STORY LONGER, JUST THINK NIXON WAS A REPUBLICAN !#Hillary

Name: Ramzy Marcell

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Message: Hi Hillary, I love you like everybody else and do think that you are a fine looking lady. but, bill should take care of you. He is a handsome man and has a good wife, so what else to care for. Love Tamzy

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Message: Hi Hillary, I love you like everybody else and do think that you are a fine looking lady. but, bill should take care of you. He is a handsome man and has a good wife, so what else to care for. Love Tamzy

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Name: Jack McKinney

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Message: There is always one straw that will break the camels back. Bill had "sex" in the oval office with an intern on numerous occasions. That appareantly is not enough to destroy your marriage. I truly wonder what is. You are a poor role model for women in this country. Bill's conduct should have been that straw for you.

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Message: EVA BRAUN WAS ON THE COVER OF VOGUE MAGAZINE, MAY 1937. SHE WON OUT OVER SONJA HENNY FOR THE PHOTO PRESENTATION. HILLARY IS NOW ON THE COVER OF VOGUE. WHAT IS THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE EXTERMINATION OF THE MASSES, TO COME. THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT SAID THEY WILL TAKE PROPER ACTION WITH ANY WHO OPPOSE. THE I.C.C. IS EXPERIMENTING WITH THE PEOPLE (AIDS & FLU) OF SOUTH AFRICA AND VARIOUS NATIONS OF EUROPE AND ASIA. THE I.C.C. HAS ALSO DECIDED THAT THE EARTH NEEDS TO HAVE A POPULATION OF 1,000,000 SO THAT THE ENVIRONMENT CAN RETURN TO AS IT WAS AT THE DAWN OF THE HUMAN RACE. WHY NOT TALK OF THIS ? WHY HAS IT NOT BEEN IN THE NEWS ? MILLIONS HAVE ALREADY DIED WORLD WIDE. NOTHING HAS BEEN SAID OF THIS.....

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Message: Do not worry, Zippy the Wounder Slug, Ragnarok, Last Visible Dog, Yellow Dog, & SF Libels have everything under control, even though they are all the same person.

Name: Boner

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Message: I got one for you.

Name: Boner

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Message: I got one for you.

Name: Dickweed

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Message: SF Lib you are a repressed, pathetic little gay lover who hates conservative American values.

Name: Turkey

email: Giving@thanks

Message: We are thankful for Newt resigning as Speaker of the House and even leaving the House. We are thankful for Starr's being unable to find ANY impeachable offense by the President or his beautiful wife. We are thankful for the Republican losses in Congress. We are thankful for Democrats standing up for themselves and their issues all over the country. We are thankful that the small minded witch hunters did not win this round, although we suspect they will be back. And finally we are thankful for this Forum, where we can all express our opinions freely in the great ol' USA!

Name: Turkey

email: Giving@thanks

Message: Now!!!!!! We are set free to hunt down all who are too clean and pure to exist under the new totalitarian regime of terror. All must be marked with an equal degree of defilement. CRYSTAL NACHT!!! CRYSTAL NACHT!!!

Name: Turkey

email: Giving@thanks

Message: Now!!!!!! We are set free to hunt down all who are too clean and pure to exist under the new totalitarian regime of terror. All must be marked with an equal degree of defilement. CRYSTAL NACHT!!! CRYSTAL NACHT!!!

Name: Barney

email: Barney @erols.com

Message: Bill and Hilary often remind me of another couple Barney Frank and Patricia Ireland. Each is stunning in their own special way. What a lovely world of contrast and diversity. By the way Hilary looked stunning on the cover of Vogue. However, I suggest some liposuction if they decide to show below the shoulders.

Name: Fred

email:

Message: Barney Frank will do the lippo/suction with a straw.

Name: LIPPO GROUP

email:

Message: YEAH !! AND WE WILL POP HIM WHEN HE IS FULL OF HILLARY'S FAT.

Name: Edward

email:

Message: Sounds yummy to me. Can we baste our Thanksgiving turkey with exploded Barney & Hillary lard ? What a democratic flavor. By the way, is the Whitehouse going to have another pornographic Christmas tree this year? We have used condoms that are left over from our Gay gangbang get together last month that we can donate for the tree.

Name: Pope John

email: Global.Liberal@Vatican.com

Message: Surrender. Throw down your arms. You all belong to me now.

Name:

email:

Message: How's your privacy? Check this out!

http://www.fdic.gov/lawsregs/fedr/ua4449.htm

(FDIC)Abstract: This rulemaking proposes to issue a regulations requiring insured nonmember banks to adopt and maintain "Know Your Customer" programs. As proposed, the regulation would require each institution to develop a program designed to determine the identity of its customers; determine its customers' sources of funds; determine the normal and expected transactions of its customers; monitor account activity for transactions that are inconsistent with those normal and expected transactions; and report any transactions of its customers that are determined to be suspicious, in accordance with the FDIC's existing suspicious activity reporting regulations.

Name: Bud

email: to above

Message: I didn't vote for Al Gore. Did you ? Al has more than a dozen new government programs ment to disolve the privacy of the individual for the aggrandizement of the State.

Name: Bugs Bunny

email:

Message: You Conservatives are so stupid its pathetic, 1. The Economy is great. 2.This country was founded on Religous Freedom 3. Henry Hyde Cheated a good man out of his wife Henry Hyde is a hypocrite and the American public now know that all this talk about our president is garbage, and political in nature because they dont have a clue how to make things better. All they is their high ideals and rhetoric which turns out to be baloney. 4. Impeachment was made for appointed Judges not for a President elected by the people. 5. And if they keep it up the Republican Fruitcakes will lose the house and Senate in the year 2000. Because the conversatives are so damn stupid Thats why. And Kluge Boy are you still here. 6.The American public including a lot of republicans are just fed up with it all.

Name: Bugs Bunny

email:

Message: You Conservatives are so stupid its pathetic, 1. The Economy is great. 2.This country was founded on Religous Freedom 3. Henry Hyde Cheated a good man out of his wife Henry Hyde is a hypocrite and the American public now know that all this talk about our president is garbage, and political in nature because they dont have a clue how to make things better. All they is their high ideals and rhetoric which turns out to be baloney. 4. Impeachment was made for appointed Judges not for a President elected by the peop