Name:	Terminator
To:	ET

Message:
I'm glad you like them. I messed up some links. Here goes again:

Name:	Hyram Kukendahl
To:	Slaves
Re:	Slavery!

In response to:
Slavery to be reinstated in U.S. on limited basis.

Message:
Congressional twin bills S. 89 and HR 163 together is called the Universal National Service Act of 2003. The Act is "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons ages 18 through 26 in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." The active bills are currently sitting in the committee on armed services.

Name:	Smedley
To:	khobar

Message:
In America, perhaps as a result of the evangelical tradition, almost everything tends to be seen as a matter of choice. Overwhelming likelihood is ignored if even a handful manage to escape.

The poor choose to be poor.
Far too often, the poor made choices that made them poor -- dropping out of school, having kids while teenagers themselves, blaming whitey for everything wrong in their lives, dealing drugs etc.

The pregnant choose to be pregnant.
In an age where birth control is 99.99% effective, they are to blame.

The overweight choose to be fat.
Yeah, right -- it's McDonald's fault for forcing all those super-sized meals down the gullets of an unsuspecting public.

The sick have chosen an unhealthy diet.
Again, let's blame the fadt-food giants, because individual responsibility is but a mirage.

How often do we hear that poor nations have chosen not to be like the United States?

Free markets and low taxes just tend to lift people from poverty.

How often do we hear that the ill-educated have chosen to be ignorant?

Not often enough, but thanks to Bill cosby, we're hearing it more often.

How often do we hear that the poor choose to live in slums?

Sometimes. Bad choice tend to have bad consequences.

How often do we hear that single mothers have chosen to bear children, often from the lips of the same people who oppose abortion and comprehensive sex education?

Here's a clue. Far too often teenage pregnancy is a choice made by teenagers, not for lack of education or condoms, but because they wanted kids.

Name:	khobar
To:	Smedley

Message:
In an age where birth control is 99.99% effective, they are to blame.

Why does the Bush administration oblige schools that wish to obtain funding for sex education to teach that condoms are not effective as contraceptives or as prophylactics?

How often do we hear that poor nations have chosen not to be like the United States?

Free markets and low taxes just tend to lift people from poverty.

Tell that to the Russians. Robber capitalism has deprived most of them of a tolerable standard of living. Fukuyama concedes this point in today's Observer.

How often do we hear that the ill-educated have chosen to be ignorant?

Not often enough, but thanks to Bill cosby, we're hearing it more often..

That may make it more respectable to say it, but it does not make it true.

How often do we hear that the poor choose to live in slums?

Sometimes. Bad choice tend to have bad consequences.

I congratulate you on your ante-natal choice of parents.

How often do we hear that single mothers have chosen to bear children, often from the lips of the same people who oppose abortion and comprehensive sex education?

Here's a clue. Far too often teenage pregnancy is a choice made by teenagers, not for lack of education or condoms, but because they wanted kids.

And how often would "far too often" be? Are we to take it that there is solid research to support such a statement? Or is this just a prejudice?

Name:	Joel MacLendon
To:	Khobar
Re:	Crime and Capitalism are two distinctly different things!

In response to:
Robber capitalism has deprived most of them of a tolerable standard of living

Message:
Ah, I knew ye was a Commie, lad!

Name:	Max Candor
To:	Khobar
Re:	Rosie O'Donnel's mama caught her from a gas station toilet seat!

In response to:
And how often would "far too often" be? Are we to take it that there is solid research to support such a statement? Or is this just a prejudice?

Message:
Do you suddenly and unexpectedly fallen pregnant often, Khobar?

Name:	khobar
To:	Smedley

Message:
Tell that to the Russians. Robber capitalism has deprived most of them of a tolerable standard of living. Fukuyama concedes this point in today's Observer.

Name:	khobar
To:	Max, Joel

Message:
Conjoined at ther hip, are ye?

Name:	Max Candor
To:	Khobar
Re:	Brutal wage taxes inhibit upward economic mobility. Reform is urgently needed!

In response to:
I congratulate you on your ante-natal choice of parents.

Message:
No matter how lousey your parents are, you have opportunity in America to better yourself. A great many children born into hellish circumstances grow up and do just that.

Name:	We
To:	You

In response to:
Conjoined at ther hip, are ye?

Message:
One and the same, actually. What of it?

Name:	Max Candor
To:	Khobar
Re:	Red Chinese Prisons Are Cool!

In response to:
Tell that to the Russians. Robber capitalism has deprived most of them of a tolerable standard of living. Fukuyama concedes this point in today's Observer.

Message:
Crime is a serious problem in Russia. It ought to be dealt with. What the hell does that have to do with Capitalism? Nothing.

Name:

khobar

Message:
One and the same, actually. What of it?

Multiple personality disorder, then?

Name:	khobar
To:	Max, Joel

Message:
When an adult gets home, have them give me a ring up?

Name:	Max Candor
To:	Khobar
Re:	Humans are simply animals. No self-control whatsoever!

In response to:
Why does the Bush administration oblige schools that wish to obtain funding for sex education to teach that condoms are not effective as contraceptives or as prophylactics?

Message:
Does the Bush administration oblige them, or does the congress?

Name:	Moniker C
To:	Khobar

In response to:
When an adult gets home, have them give me a ring up?

Message:
Is that a statement or a question?

Name:	Moniker D
To:	Khobar

In response to:
Multiple personality disorder, then?

Message:
Nope.

Name:	Moniker E
To:	Khobar

In response to:
When an adult gets home, have them give me a ring up?

Message:
Intellectual spoiled meat.

Name:	Max Candor
To:	Khobar

In response to:
That may make it more respectable to say it, but it does not make it true.

Message:
It damned sure doesn't make it false, Khobar.

Name:	Max Candor
Re:	Collectivism's ever-turgid organ...

In response to:
The Guardian

Message:
Ah! the good olde GUARDIAN !

Name:	Joel
To:	Max
Re:	Khobar

In response to:
Pouf!

Message:
Where'd that little Commie feller go?

Name:	Max Candor
To:	Joel MacLendon
Re:	Khobar

In response to:
Where'd that little Commie feller go?

Message:
I think he went looking for the Red Army.

Name:	Max Candor
To:	Khobar

In response to:
In America, perhaps as a result of the evangelical tradition, almost everything tends to be seen as a matter of choice. Overwhelming likelihood is ignored if even a handful manage to escape.

Message:
Is there solid research to support this conjecture and these statements, or do they simply reflect predjudices of yours?

Name:	Max Candor
To:	Khobar
Re:	All hail Dear Leader! www.korea-dpr.com

In response to:
Don't go away mad, Khobar.

Message:
Here is a wonderful website that you will surely enjoy: www.korea-dpr.com.

This is the official website of Democratic People's Republic of Korea! It is absolutely wonderful, and I highly recommend it. Be sure to click the "Friendship and Activities" icon and enjoy the rousing "Song of National Defense". There are other musical and video selections in the People's Media Gallery. The poster art, statuary and cultural presentations are nothing less than astounding. Enjoy it, and tell your friends about it! There is nothing else quite like it in today's world.

Name:

Miss Behave

Message:
My husband is sleeping on his side, clutching the pillow almost violently, as if he had just stalked and killed it. I place my hand under the sheets, then nonchalantly onto his hip. This used to be enough to start the game. He's wearing pajama bottoms, and I have to press my fingers under the elastic waist and move steadily toward his penis. The elastic is tight, and my movements seem jerky, obvious, sad. I wend my way down the shaft to the head. Is there anything better than the head of a pe-nis? If men had any idea how adorable women found it, advertising would change overnight. I'm talking here about American . Circumcised American . Leave the natural to the Euros. American women prefer the sportier version. No impediments, no trips to the sink, no waste of time.

It strikes me, as I'm massaging my cheating husband's torpid pe-nis, that I'm perhaps redefining loneliness for generations. Lane remains mordantly passive, and I decide not to address my obvious self-esteem issues at just that moment, and pull down his pajama bottoms. He does his "sleeping" thing and I continue the game. No response. My husband is simply refusing to have an erection. Is this even physiologically possible? I tell myself it isn't, and go down on his phlegmatic member in the tiest manner possible. I feel the slightest flux of flesh under my tongue, the almost imperceptible, but cursively familiar ascendant locomotion of . I feel the urge to plant a tiny flag or yell, "Take that, motherfu-cker!"

It was usually about this time, I'd roll over and wait for him to begin my turn. Instead, I chase the erection, rubbing and licking like some fat chick at a frat party. When I achieve the necessary perpendicularity, I consider getting out of bed and leaving him like that. Ha, ha. But it's only a fleeting notion of cruelty, and I'm feeling so completely turned on I lift myself up and over his chest and sit squarely on his face. I haven't done this in years. How did I forget about this? I grab his hair, I stay there on top of him, squeezing his head between my thighs, knocking the headboard into the wall again and again, not caring whether or not he might be suffocating. I'm purposeful, insistent, there's no mistaking my meaning. We both know why I'm here. He's just missing.

"What do you need, a fu-cking road map? How hard can this be?"

Maybe another time, my husband would have answered, "Like you know!" and we would have laughed, but not now.

He's still slightly off, then way off.

"Oh, fu-ck you, Lane. Come on."

He hits it. Jesus.

"Don't move, don't move." I say, and he doesn't. I hear myself moaning a back of throat moan, the real deal. I shudder into an org-asm, and continue to rub myself into his face. He doesn't move. He says nothing. I move.

Name:

Miss Behave

Message:
Afterwards, over a cigarette and a tall rum and coke, Lane let me in on a guarded secret. The mnemonic for the five families of salmon as they relate to the fingers of the hand chub (thumb), sockeye (index), king (middle,) silver (ring), and pink (pinkie finger).

Name:	Adult
To:	Little Miss Behave

In response to:
Crap for Flies

Message:
I know your game, pissant.

Name:	Max Candor
To:	All
Re:	The sky is NOT falling.

In response to:
July 4, 1776

Message:
Celebrate Independence Day. Question Leftist dogma!

Name:

** test

Message:

Name:	Hocus Pocus Dominocus
To:	The Future We Doth Seek
Re:	Eenie Meanie Chili Beanie

In response to:
The Spirits Begin to Speak

In swirling mists of heavy fog, within this crystal ball,

I see a vision of the future, which awaits us all.

Message:
The fractured nation of Iraq, recuperating from our USA attack, will finally rid itself of our puppet strings, & reassert its independence.

The person of Saddam Hussein, who was their elected & popular leader, (despite our propaganda to the contrary, created for Bush war purposes), will be put on mock trial, & eventually be set free. He could be again appointed or elected President of Iraq.

The Bush Administration will gladly leave Iraq, in any condition whatsoever, to get that albatross off their back before the November election. Deaths of Iraquis number in the thousands, due to faulty intelligence saying there existed WMD's which do not exist, & which Saddam told us in interview with Dan Rather 2 weeks before Shock & Awe began. He also told us that the Iraqui people would fight to get rid of any invader or occupying army, which should have been a "clue" to George Bush, but he usually ignores any true advisors, or credible sources, to listen to his grossly incompetent Staff and Cabinet.

If we expect the scattered & ill trained forces of Iraq to defend itself after our departure, we are even more foolish than we were to go in, in the first place. Chaos & civil war will follow, & slaughter of both factions, with more upheaval & destruction of the oil reserves, which is the only hope of paying for rebuilding the war-torn nation back to normal.

Saddam himself is the only glue, the cement that held that fractionalized nation together, & even if he could reclaim his leadership role, I don't know why he would want to ally himself with the United States, which destroyed his nation, murdered his two sons, & tried to kill him, for NO GOOD REASON. He was a big fan (& ally) of the USA for many years, while Don Rumsfeld & the Reagan Admin sucked up to him, & sold (or gave) him all of OUR weapons of mass destruction --- If we want to know the contents of any of them, just look for the Union label, "these weapons proudly made in the USA", Biochemical labs. We probably still have the invoices telling all the chemical contents of them all, unless they were put into the GOP shredding machine. One reason the Bush administration wants to blow up the entire nation of Iraq is to destroy the massive paper "evidence" of its illegal arms deals with Saddam during the Afghan & Iran Wars. showing our involvement in war crimes.

Since the religion of Islam is paramount in both the conflict of Iraq (& now Iran) and also the whole Palestinian-Israeli crisis, these 2 events will spill into each other, feeding off each other. Hordes of the Islamic Jihad will continue attacks until we have some sensible solution to enforce, which may involve getting rid of Ariel Sharon. A compassionate form of compromise is essential, to heal old wounds, & to demonstrate we are not overly biased in the age-old conflict between Islamic & Jewish nations. We are to be the Peace Maker, the Healer, the true leader of the Free World.

By truly setting free the Iraqui nation, & letting loose the puppet strings, to convince the Islamic factions that we do not intend on occupying & manipulating that nation any longer, which is their greatest fear. (Why they hate us so much). They have said repeatedly they will continue to fight till the last breath against any invader or occupier, & DUH, we act like we are too dumb to "get the message"?

Somebody has to seriously knock Sharon off his high horse, thinking he can bulldoze down a nation & attempt assassinations of their leader, Arafat, just because he thinks the US will sanction him, no matter what crazy actions he takes. Our role is to convince him that he CANNOT rely upon the US to back him, if he continues this suicidal & confrontational madness of his. Peace is only through Compromise, not doing the endless retaliations & aggressions that have been done in the past. OR we should threaten him that we will abandon him, (which means annihilation in a few days or hours), unless he shapes up his actions. We do hold the best cards in the deck, to convince him.

The Muslim (Islamic) religion has a strange and fascinating origin, which I will resume later on, in next email. It is basically a counterfeit religion which copies itself after Christianity in many ways. I am not sure the Muslims will ever accept that idea, unless they are very enlightened & educated, and very open-minded, but that only applies to a very few. So we must try to understand the mind set of that group, & reach forms of mutual understanding. An evolution of world religion, (similar to the outreach of the Pope, in apologizing to the Jews & other religions for the excesses & Crusades & the Inquisition) may be the answer. Learning about the commonalities of all religions, & how they fit into the gigantic puzzle of the cosmos, the spiritual identity of mankind, & the purposes that religions serve in all societies, --- it could be a fascinating journey. Some day in the future, we could all see ourselves as one gigantic family, with one common over-riding goal, the survival of mankind on this planet, overcoming all other obstacles, to find world Peace. The one great hope of mankind since the world began. -- MM

Name:	Nostradamnus
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	21st Century Communists

In response to:
The person of Saddam Hussein, who was their elected & popular leader, (despite our propaganda to the contrary, created for Bush war purposes), will be put on mock trial, & eventually be set free. He could be again appointed or elected President of Iraq

Message:
Screw you, MOO. You and "Individual" need to get yourselves to CUBA and cut some cane with the Workers! As far as I am concerned, you can take the rest of the NEA with you!

Name:	Saddam Hussein, President Forever
To:	Merci Moi and Individual
Re:	Job security and popular respect will be yours in delerious new Hussein Regime!

In response to:
Lord of Flies is an obnoxious jerk. I put him in nice paper shredder!

Message:
Salaam, Merci Moi! I make you with Individual co-Ministers of Information in glorious new Hussein restoration! You get Iraqi TV crew with nice green room, water fountain, and paper shredder for pesky big jobs.

Name:	Comptroller
To:	All

In response to:
Jabba The Nut

Message:
Merci Moi = Bordertex. There cannot be TWO of these creatures!

Name:	Moctar al Sadr
Re:	Merci Moi

In response to:
The Muslim (Islamic) religion has a strange and fascinating origin, which I will resume later on, in next email

Message:
Behold! The Prophet!

Name:

Origins of Muslim Religion

In response to:
The Muslim religion began 600 years after the birth of Christianity. The prophet Mohammed had of course heard of Christianity, & he believed in the existence of Abraham, Jesus, & John the Baptist & Moses.

Message:
In the beginning was Paganism, Mythology & many deities (polytheism) -- like the Greek Gods. Other societies believed in the Sun God, the Rain God, the Volcano God, the Gods of human sacrifice.

Then the Jewish religion began, & somewhere in this time frame, the ancient Chinese, Hindu, Buddhist religions appeared in other countries. (The time reference here is deliberately vague, -- look it up).

Jesus birth (to Jewish parents) marked a new form of religion as an offshoot to the Jewish religion, but the first 5 books of the Christian Bible are from the Jewish Torah, showing our direct descent from that tradition. (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy). For those who seem to still be rather clueless to this fact, JESUS WAS A JEW.

Jesus sent his disciples out to spread the gospel to all the world. The Bible tells how flames of fire appeared on their heads. (sign of the Holy Spirit). (Strangely enough, (coincidence?) the Buddha was said to have flames of fire on his head, as he spoke to the people in his day). And one source I read, says that early Buddhists put candle wax in their hairdo, to contain actual flames of fire. It surely would be fascinating to find out how this all began, & why the early Christian disciples had apparitions of fire, that were just like the Buddhists.

Then we Fast Forward 600 years. A guy was born in the Middle East, & his parents (wishful thinking) gave him a name that meant leader or prophet. All of his youth, they reminded him that he was "expected" to have a vision, and come up with some great new idea or movement. But by the age of 35 or 40, he still had not fulfilled his purpose, & much pressure was put upon him, so he retreated, until the big idea hit him. I cannot speak as one who has read the entire Koran, (Quran), but I do know that Mohammed did believe in Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses, etc & he had 600 yrs of Christianity to study & copy from.

Thus, it is not surprising that centuries later, we find accounts of Mohammed's birth as being from a woman riding a donkey, seeing a great light in the sky, to signal his divine birth. Right from the old Bible of Christianity. I am sure that his tradition from his tribal village were built into the scripture which may have preached of revenge, penance, & forms of enforcement for legal & spiritual violations. It is endemic to all religions to Punish the Sinful.

I think it would be wise for all of us to read the Koran (Quran) as much as possible to try to see if this was a counterfeit religion, written by a man who was desperate to fulfill his expected mission of being a prophet & leader. A man who was disgraced if he did not achieve this purpose in his lifetime since his family publicly extolled his expected role, & this put enormous pressure on him. It would be the same as if your parents told the whole city that you were expected to be a championship figure skater, or an olympic athlete, from the day you were born, & all the citizens questioned you daily about how many gold medals did you have. You would be forced to perform.

Poor Mohammed. He did the best he could, with what he had to work with. His biography would be a great thing to read, for all of us. If my memory is correct, I think he had trouble getting followers at first. It was a rather tragic life, in some ways. If we can fish out & discover the Commonalities in the Koran, & the Bible, & discard the obvious parts that are purloined, or exaggerated, or made up, it would possibly lead to some kind of unification of all world religions. To see how long ago, things like religion were not totally scientifically accurate, & got distorted & fictionalized & lost in translation.

The original Catholic Bible, has been edited in great part by the priest, Martin Luther, who left the Catholic church, when he discovered certain illegal irregularities, where the church was asking payment for the forgiveness of sins. He denounced this kind of behavior, & thus was excommunicated. Actually they put a bounty on his head, that anyone could kill him and get an official Vatican reward. Needless to say, nobody killed him, he married, & the religion that he founded is still flourishing today. Lutheran Church. This began the whole Protestant movement, which led to all Protestant religions we see today. What seeds he sowed, in his little Protest-ant ideas.

I only mention this, to point out that we have many examples in the past, of religion containing some non-pure dogma. False doctrine, that somehow got included in the original texts. Luther noticed that the priests had added some books that gave them the right & authority to demand payment for forgiveness of sin, (something Christ freely granted to all believers who were repentant of their sins) so Luther discarded several books of the Bible, that he found to be counterfeit, , & unChristian ideas.

What if many parts of the Koran were simply an edited & added-to account of the Bible? With more mythology added & unique traditions of the Middle East to update it and localize its impact? Created by a poor man, haunted by his enforced image that was created by his misguided parents? Would we ever be able to re-edit it back to its real origins? Put it back into context, making us less enemies, and more like our ancient family? Re-unite the historical tribes cast asunder in days of the Tower of Babel? The great tower built in the ancient days of IRAQ.

Name:	Hocus Pocus
To:	unidentified objector

In response to:
My, you are up so early, to dispense your negative hatreds and insults. I guess you do not observe the 4th of July or Sunday, like most American Christians do, but I will only wish you a nice Holiday & a true spirit of Americanism, which you do not now possess.

Message:
Anybody who has read my hundreds of posts, knows by now that I am a liberal Democrat, a patriotic American, & a Christian. I have never been inclined to any form of socialism, or Communism, & actually have fought against Communism all my life. It is very fortunate that I have never seen one face-to-face, since I probably would have killed it. Since you know nothing but the usual right wing distortions of facts and Limbaugh lobotomy logic, you have no standing to come here & criticize fellow Americans who are only expressing their opinion, which is a right that is Constitutionally guaranteed. Except by those who do not believe in the Constitution, like the Communist right wing lunatics in the GOP party currently on the throne. By the way, Rush Limbaugh, (loveable little fuzzball of fuzzy logic) said a few days ago that Hillary & Kerry were Communists that sowed the seeds of Communism left over from the Soviet Union after it fell. But it is the Right Wing who engages in more propaganda than Goebbels entire army of specialists on Werewolf Radio (well known in Nazi Germany).

No true American & patriotic people would need to heavily brain-wash our American citizens to vote for them, by Limbaugh clones reigning the airwaves for 18 years, non-stop. A continuous campaign for the GOP that does nothing else but praise the Republicans & bash the Democrats on every broadcast, with the most vile lies, distortions & illogical horse manure to ever be spoken. Fortunately it is obvious to the casual listener, that the call-in listeners of Rush (ditto heads) are of such low mentality, that they cannot find their way easily to a voting booth & fill out the ballot, without an attendant to help them make an X. We can only pray that most never vote, due to mental incompetence, to say the least.

Also on that same broadcast, Rush said that he never speaks about the Bible or mentions the word of Jesus or Christianity, (for obvious reasons, that he would condemn himself to Hell for so doing, as it is the most massive hypocrisy of all). BUT then he went on to say that Jesus NEVER advocated that the rich should give away their huge incomes (that he says that they "earned"), & give it to the poor, (who he says did NOT earn it). IF THIS DOES NOT WAKE UP YOU DUMB REPUBLICANS, nothing ever will. Rush Limbaugh just expressed the most massive ignorance of the most majority religion in America, which his President is supposed to be communing directly with their God) HA, & directly indicated the OPPOSITE of Christianity, as if he never even heard of it at all. I suppose if you are a Communist atheist subversive propaganda agent like Rush, you would say something that dumb, but it should wake up the radical right wing of those who at least PRETEND to be Christians, that Rush does not know what he is talking about, (as usual). And to all you ditto heads, -- may the Wizard of Oz find you & give you a brain, before it is too late.

When Rush says he is talking with "half his brains tied behind his back", he is not kidding. He could not POSSIBLY be THAT dumb, & have that job. He is deliberately lying & misleading you, which is a high crime, to deceive voters in a democracy. It is just as bad, or worse than treason. But we have had this propaganda going on for 18 years, which violates all known campaign laws & fairness doctrines. And it is time that either we get EQUAL TIME & ACCESS, or else we shut down the right wing manipulations. It is anathema, evil & subversive sabotage, to continue it.

I ask you, would any TRUE Patriotic American be doing rotten evil sabotage propaganda trying to brain wash & manipulate Americans, into voting for the worst and most dangerous Administration in history? Just because Rush gets paid millions $$ to sell his country (deliberately) down the river? Do you think any TRUE patriot would sell his country out for a few lousy bucks? Just like Judas betrayed Jesus for a few pieces of silver? The analogy should be clear.

In the name of the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, who abhors war & warfare, & especially unfair hatred or invasion of other lands. He despises hypocrites & those who pretend to be godly, when they are into the dirtiest of money-making, sabotage & treacherous behaviors. May Jesus expose the false patriots and the evil saboteurs of our nation, & get rid of them. To safeguard the future of Liberty on this planet. On this, the 228th year of our Independence. Amen.

Name:	Scroll Mouse
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	more than one world view is allowed on this forum

In response to:
"...I ask you, would any TRUE Patriotic American be doing rotten evil sabotage propaganda trying to brain wash & manipulate Americans, into voting for the worst and most dangerous Administration in history? Just because (Fill in the blank)______________ gets paid millions $$ to sell his country (deliberately) down the river? Do you think any TRUE patriot would sell his country out for a few lousy bucks? Just like Judas betrayed Jesus for a few pieces of silver? The analogy should be clear...."

Message:
Very clear to me. His name is Michael Moore

Name:	Smedley
To:	khobar

Message:
Why does the Bush administration oblige schools that wish to obtain funding for sex education to teach that condoms are not effective as contraceptives or as prophylactics?

Maybe because ABSTANCE is more appropriate for children -- plus the only 100% effective way to avoid pregnancy and STDs.

Duh!

Tell that to the Russians. Robber capitalism has deprived most of them of a tolerable standard of living. Fukuyama concedes this point in today's Observer.

Fukuyama is not Russian and is blatantly leftist as is the Observer.

Instead of relying on Fukuyama's say-so I would suggest that you rely on some REAL information. FYI, by the end of communism, the USSR was a sh!thole of decayed infrastructure, declining economy and vast corruption and there was no "tolerable standard of living" for any but the political elite. In contrast, Russia's economic growth was better than 6% last year (http://www.russiajournal.com/news/cnewswire.shtml?nw=41369#n41369) so apparently those "robber capitalists" are doing a bang-up job.

That may make it more respectable to say it, but it does not make it true.

Ah, but it is true. The bad choices some people make can and do have consequences.

I congratulate you on your ante-natal choice of parents.

Which has NOTHING to do with the fact that bad choices can have bad consequences, does it?

And how often would "far too often" be? ... Are we to take it that there is solid research to support such a statement? Or is this just a prejudice? Living in DC for over 15 years and getting to know over 100 single black mothers -- and talking to them -- I can honestly say that half of them made a choice to be single parents (what is known in the venacular as a " trophy")with the majority of the remainder knowing they could get pregnant but not taking active steps to prevent pregnancy (even knowing that they could get contraception). I remember during the welfare reform debates where black single women having two or three kids were ing about how unfair it was for the government to not subsidize welfare moms having more children -- and being called a 'racist' for advocating personal responsibility.

But that is one primary difference b/t conservitives and liberals -- what to do about personal responsibility.

Oh, yes, while I do admit that there are many very young girls forced to have sex, my solution is simple -- castration and jail time for all rapists -- exceptions in statutory consensual situations where there are 15yo girls who look and act 20.

Name:	Smedley
To:	Max, khobar

In response to:
No matter how lousey your parents are, you have opportunity in America to better yourself. A great many children born into hellish circumstances grow up and do just that.

Message:
Take, for example, Richard Nixon, Ron Reagan and Bill Clinton. All born into poor families with Reagan and Clinton having abusive alcoholic fathers.

Name:	Smedley
Re:	http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NADER?SITE=CODER&SECTION=POLITICS

Message:

Nader: Democrats Are Afraid of Democracy

He also had some choice words for the Congressional Black Caucus, an all-Democratic group whose members urged Nader to drop out of the race during a testy meeting at the Capitol nearly two weeks ago.

"What these people are all afraid of, the Democrats, is democracy. That's what they're afraid of," Nader said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "They're afraid of competition. They're afraid of the tradition of third parties in the 19th and early 20th centuries pushing the two parties to pay attention to the needs of the people, instead of their own careerism."

Nader said it was "fairly outrageous" to listen to some CBC members in the closed-door meeting when they should be discussing why the Democratic Party isn't doing more to register black voters, as the Rev. Jesse Jackson has urged. Nader said doing so would help Democrats win back the White House more than him leaving the race would.

The longtime consumer activist said the Democratic-Republican party lock on the electoral system hurts the country.

"We either believe in democracy, more voices, more choices, more subject matter, more engaging young voters, more engaging people to come out and vote, or we don't," Nader said. "This country does not belong to two parties."

Democratic Party chief Terry McAuliffe again called on Nader to quit lest he become known as the man who gave the country another four years of President Bush.

"All the issues that Ralph Nader has spent his entire life working on are on the table this year," McAuliffe told CBS's "Face the Nation." "We can't afford four more years of George Bush." Democrats blame Nader's third-party candidacy in 2000 for Bush's narrow margin of victory over Al Gore.

Seeing as how Nader refuses to quit, McAuliffe said Democrats will focus on getting their message out. "And when we get our message out there, these folks are going to come and vote for John Kerry because he's right for America."

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Kerry is at no loss for advice on who his running mate should be, and Patrick Leahy of Vermont, one of Kerry's colleagues in the Senate, said the spot should go to another member of their exclusive club: Sen. John Edwards.

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Name:	Scroll Mouse
Re:	Nader '04

In response to:
"..."What these people are all afraid of, the Democrats, is democracy. That's what they're afraid of," Nader said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "They're afraid of competition. They're afraid of the tradition of third parties in the 19th and early 20th centuries pushing the two parties to pay attention to the needs of the people, instead of their own careerism...."

Message:
GO RALPH GO!

Name:	Architect Of The Grand Milleneum
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	Peace, bunnies, and Koolaide for all

In response to:
The Tower of Babel

Message:
We shall rebuild the Tower of Babel and enthrone Nostradamnus atop it with his pants on fire. John Lennon will return to lead the masses in singing "We Are the World". The Holy Rollers will put down their vipers and take up kittens instead. The Muslims will open day care centers for American Soldiers. The Palestinians will all become anger management counselors, and Michael Jackson will get a new face. He will look exactly like Elizabeth Taylor did in Giant. All will be well with the world. Fidel Castro will become America's first Minister of Healthcare And Social Adjustment.

Name:	Cheswicke Hardwick-Polliner IV
To:	Merci Moo
Re:	Babel

In response to:
May Jesus expose the false patriots and the evil saboteurs of our nation, & get rid of them. To safeguard the future of Liberty on this planet. On this, the 228th year of our Independence. Amen.

Message:
You ARE the Tower of Babel, madam.

Name:	Yvette Balladette
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	Deranged Rantings

In response to:
And it is time that either we get EQUAL TIME & ACCESS, or else we shut down the right wing manipulations. It is anathema, evil & subversive sabotage, to continue it.

Message:
You are a dangerous fool, Merci Moi. At least Tom Harkin knows he is Communist.

Name:	Little Beaver
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	Babelian Gurgles, Gobbles, and Squeaks

In response to:
You need help, MOO.

Message:
Here is a source of material that may help you bring order to your fractired existence:

www.CattleMax.com

Name:	Chief Nachitoches
To:	Department Heads

In response to:
The Blancs

Message:
Yep. It's the fourth day of the seventh moon, and the white folks are going crazy again. Same damned thing every year!

Name:	Dear Leader
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	Escape Birchist mind-rapers! Step into intense sunshine of glorious NKDPR!!1

In response to:
Here is a source of material that may help you bring order to your fractured existence:

Message:
Ms. Komrade Moo:

Find yourself at www.korea-dpr.com! Accept warm embrace of Dear Leader on behalf of Democratic People's Collective! Come march with us into twenty first century!

Name:

Mercy Moi

In response to:
Hi, I am Ba-a-a-ck !!! Hope you all survived this 4th of July without sunburn from minor explosives being set off by amateurs & untrained kids in your own neighborhoods. I had to endure several thousand of these miniature warheads for 2 hours last night. It is definitely over-kill. A person can get a thrill from 25 of them, but 2,000? Just too far over-blown.

Message:
But giving massive bursts of gunpowder & explosives to Americans, to pollute the air, and to make our kids immune to suggestions that warfare isn't fun. They think this mimic of war, with flares & rockets & explosives are great fun, instead of replicating the killing fields in Viet Nam & Korea, & 2 Gulf Wars.

But yet another thought. Who gets the Profit from all this fireworks industry? Are these made in the nation of China, for instance? Where they were really invented centuries ago? If so, then are the Chinese really gaining from this trend to legalize fireworks everywhere? The Communist Chinese, who do not give human rights to their own citizens, & who killed the student protesters in Tianamen Square?

But now, they will profit from patriotic displays of fireworks on our USA holiday of Independence. This would be another "trade balance" disaster, just like the outsourcing of all our jobs. Check the labels on any fireworks you buy. Where are they from?

Name:	Jock Splendid
To:	Merci MOO!
Re:	Sour ruminations from addled old cow

In response to:
But giving massive bursts of gunpowder & explosives to Americans, to pollute the air, and to make our kids immune to suggestions that warfare isn't fun. They think this mimic of war, with flares & rockets & explosives are great fun, instead of replicating the killing fields in Viet Nam & Korea, & 2 Gulf Wars

Message:
Go sit on a Baby Giant, then light it and spin around, MOO!

PS: Global Cooling is poised to strike the Upper Midwest!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name:	Dear Leader
To:	Merci Moi

In response to:
Hi, I am Ba-a-a-ck !!! Hope you all survived this 4th of July without sunburn from minor explosives being set off by amateurs & untrained kids in your own neighborhoods. I had to endure several thousand of these miniature warheads for 2 hours last night.

Message:
Come to NKDPR, Ms. MOO! You like! No Birchies, no Black Cat. No SUV. No damn cheeseburger every corner!!

Name:	Talbot Lago III
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	MEOW!

In response to:
They think this mimic of war, with flares & rockets & explosives are great fun, instead of replicating the killing fields in Viet Nam & Korea, & 2 Gulf Wars

Message:
I hope it all gave you a splitting headache. I hope it lasts several days. You certainly deserve it!

Name:	Overseer
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	The Littlepeople

In response to:
The Communist Chinese, who do not give human rights to their own citizens, & who killed the student protesters in Tianamen Square?

Message:
Look, lady, if they OWN them, they can do as they please with them, see? They can stuff them into shredding machines, run tanks over them, gas them, whatever.

Name:	Chica
To:	Merci Moo

In response to:
Hope you all survived this 4th of July without sunburn from minor explosives being set off by amateurs & untrained kids in your own neighborhoods. I had to endure several thousand of these miniature warheads for 2 hours last night. It is definitely over-kill. A person can get a thrill from 25 of them, but 2,000? Just too far over-blown.

Message:
Not only did we survive Independence Day, but we reveled in it. A couple of our neighbors spent thousands of dollars on fireworks that we all enjoyed from the comfort of our backyard in front of the chiminea. We also had a lovely view of neighboring cities' fireworks. It was an awesome display.

You, however, are a killjoy.

OOOH, a two whole hours of people enjoying themselves! Are your apartment walls so thin that the noise wasn't muted enough for ya? I'm frankly surprised that you're not beotching about the smoke from your neighbors' BBQs.

Name:	Chica
To:	Merci Moo
Re:	fireworks for INDEPENDENCE DAY

Message:
BTW, we had those amateurs setting off those VERY loud M80s or whatever. My infant son slept through the whole thing. Sounds like you're a bigger baby than he is.

Name:

Mercy Moi

Message:
Such wonderful ideas come from Birchers. While they obviously do not mind polluting the entire air over huge cities with gunpowder for hours on end, so you cannot even see to drive down the road. The smoke from thousands upon thousands of fireworks going on for several hours, is over-kill. Nobody on this earth can possibly say (with honesty) that they NEED to see 2,000 to 5,000 such displays simultaneously in order to enjoy the 4th of July. That is absurd. I said that I can enjoy 20 or 30 of them, but 2,000 plus is just way too much. The entire neighborhood had a $500 arsenal of fireworks going on, (for each house) & I noticed the kids at my pool party did not even bother to look up after the first couple dozen, as they were more absorbed in watching the simple fireflies, frogs & bunnies that hopped by in the yard.

No, thanks for your concern, but I do not get any headaches, but I do always marvel at the way people think they have to spend hundreds of dollars to enjoy the holiday, when a few simple sparklers & some flags & balloons, & a nice picnic by the pool should be even more enjoyable. I like to see the kids wearing their red, white & blue bathing suits, splashing in the warm evening air, with flags flying in the wind, & enjoying the sounds of nature. I can enjoy the 4th without the sights & sounds of a major air attack going on above me, as thousands of rockets are aimed at the Sheriff's helicopter circling above us. It is just massive consumerism, each house trying to see who can spend the most for the most extravagant display of gunpowder & phosphorous, which the kids don't even care about. I watched as a neighbor man was forcing his reluctant son to light several loud rockets, that spun into the air & dropped casings of some kind upon my car. The kid hated it, but the Dad felt it was his masculine duty to teach his kid all about minor explosives, at age 4 or 5. I would hope his kid would be lucky enough to survive until the age of 7 without losing any fingers or setting a house on fire. Somehow my whole generation grew up & flourished without the need to demolish the universe with simulated weapons of mass destruction. We had our town displays in one location, & we all took a picnic to that park & watched a few fireworks being done professionally, (a couple dozen or so) & then we all went home. It was free, no pollution & fires all over the city, & we were just as happy & fulfilled as if we personally blew up $500 worth of bottle rockets & blowtorch stars. What I am saying that this is just too much excess. The thrill is gone after the first 20 or 30 of them, & after that it is all repetition. You've seen one, then you've seen them all. No point in going on for hours and hours to pollute the air so bad, your kids will all have lung cancer by the age of 30. I'm sure that they will thank you, while they are sucking oxygen from a tube, for giving them those huge unnecessary gunpowder displays. Think about it.

You can celebrate the good old American way, which includes picnics, parades, flags flying, getting out your red white & blue banners & T-shirts, & making lavish picnic lunches. Pool parties, & trips to the zoo. Playing patriotic music, -- the whole bit, -- that does not pollute or create a huge mess in the street of exploded cartridges & crap. It was like driving through Fallujah to try to navigate the streets last night. Heavy intense smoke & fog looked like the Shock & Awe campaign. That is not my idea of celebration. That borders on insanity. Any fool can go out & buy hundreds of fireworks, & say while he is drunk on a keg of beer, WOW I am really celebrating!

But you can have just as much fun, without half of that noise & pollution. And not as much expense either. Patriotism does not consist in blowing up the neighborhood, or competing to see who can buy the most aggressive explosives in town. That misses the whole point. Celebration is having FUN, & that can be done in 100's of ways that do not include gunpowder.

P.S. Wouldn't it be possible for a terrorist to put some REAL explosives into some fireworks they sell to the USA? Or a bacteriological agent of some kind, that will be released when the dumb thing goes up in smoke? Now put THAT into your pipe & smoke it.

Name:	HILLARY for Vice President
Re:	was the prediction of Charles Rangell on TV today.

Message:
He noted that after this announcement is made, that Vice President Cheney would have to be carried out from the floor of Congress, and a rag stuffed in his mouth, in order to stifle his bleeped response.

It would be wonderful if Hillary could indeed be the running mate for Kerry. I would love to see it.

But my own prediction, which is only a hazy image in the crystal ball, (not totally clear), is that we might see HOWARD DEAN's name on the ticket. This would be a great choice, also. The announcement is due tomorrow, July 6th. I can hardly wait.

July 5, (Mon) 11:25 PM (PDT)

Name:	Mother Gaia In Tears
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	You have destroyed the Black Ferret forever!!!!!! MONSTER!!

In response to:
Such wonderful ideas come from Birchers. While they obviously do not mind polluting the entire air over huge cities with gunpowder for hours on end, so you cannot even see to drive down the road.

Message:
HOW DARE YOU OPERATE AN AUTOMOBILE! YOU VICIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL RAPIST!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU?????

Name:	Speedex
To:	Hapless Hillary Supporter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re:	Documentarian Michael Moore, a leader for the milleneum!

In response to:
It would be wonderful if Hillary could indeed be the running mate for Kerry. I would love to see it.

Message:
You can forget Hillary. She's just a woman, after all. The correct choice for Vice President in these troubled, corporate media dominated times is MICHAEL MOORE. I am confident that President Kerry will make the correct choice.

Name:	Telstar
To:	MOO
Re:	NEA

In response to:
I noticed the kids at my pool party did not even bother to look up after the first couple dozen, as they were more absorbed in watching the simple fireflies, frogs & bunnies that hopped by in the yard.

Message:
Have you chemically castrated them with Ritalin?

Name:	Angry Gaia
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	Too good for the community pool?

In response to:
POOL??!

Message:
Did you say POOL, as in "swimming pool"???? HOW DARE YOU POSSESS ONE OF THOSE CHLORINE-EMITTING WATER-WASTING HORRORS!!! THAT DAMNED THING WASTES MORE WATER THAN A THIRD WORLD FAMILY WILL EVER USE IN A LIFETIME!!! YOU VICIOUS OLD ENVIRO-RAPIST! YOU SELFISH OLD COW! A SWIMMING POOL!!! I'M THINKING SERIOUSLY OF UNLEASHING AN EARTHQUACK UPON YOU AND YOUR PERSONAL BACKYARD CHLORINE SWAMP! WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO HAVE SUCH AN EXTRAVAGANCE??????

Name:	UBL
To:	Merci Moi

In response to:
P.S. Wouldn't it be possible for a terrorist to put some REAL explosives into some fireworks they sell to the USA? Or a bacteriological agent of some kind, that will be released when the dumb thing goes up in smoke? Now put THAT into your pipe & smoke it.

Message:
Very few terrorists have a mind as sick as yours, Ms. Moo. But thank you for for the suggestion.

Allah Akbar

Usama bin Laden

Name:	Vice President Edwards
To:	All
Re:	White Lawyer's Club

In response to:
VEEP

Message:
I'm white, you know. 'Nuff said.

Name:	Smedley
To:	Merci Mao

In response to:
Such wonderful ideas come from Birchers. While they obviously do not mind polluting the entire air over huge cities with gunpowder for hours on end ...

Message:
Seriously, why are you lefties so enthralled with the John Birch society. Your obsession with it is on par with your obsession with Clinton's sex life. You KEEP bringing it up when everyone else could care less.

Name:	Safety Is Everyone's Job
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	DEATHTRAP!

In response to:
I noticed the kids at my pool party did not even bother to look up after the first couple dozen, as they were more absorbed in watching the simple fireflies, frogs & bunnies that hopped by in the yard.

Message:
SO-CALLED SWIMMING POOLS ARE DEATHTRAPS FOR SIMPLE FIREFLIES, FROGS, CHILDREN, AND BUNNIES! THEY ARE CHLORINE-SOAKED -VIOLET MELANOMA DEATHTRAPS FOR ALL PERSONS!

Name:	President Kerry
To:	Speedex
Re:	Old Blubberbutt

In response to:
You can forget Hillary. She's just a woman, after all. The correct choice for Vice President in these troubled, corporate media dominated times is MICHAEL MOORE. I am confident that President Kerry will make the correct choice.

Message:
Moore is a good Communist, but he's just too damned FAT! I will not have the littlepeople making Laurel & Hardy jokes!

Name:	Paula Jones Reappears
To:	The Sad Cinderella Saga continues ----

In response to:
One can only imagine how much money it would take to get Paula Jones to once again attack Clinton, since she so quickly went through her blood money from the last episode. With new bottle blonde hair, she is now polishing her image for an encore TV performance..

Message:

But LET US REVIEW HER PATHETIC PAST: As a nude model posing for Penthouse, (to put kids in college):

In Penthouse magazine, (Dec 2000) there was an article (p.41) about Paula Jones and her lawsuit against President Clinton.

Author of the article is Joe Conason, a brilliant writer, well known on the TV talk show circuit. Paula Jones says that she was "used" by the President's enemies in order to get him. She is angry that she did not ever get an apology, and out of the $850,000 settlement paid by Clinton, 80% of it went to pay her lawyers. Then the IRS took a lot of what was left, for delinquent taxes.

Her marriage to Stephen Jones ended in divorce and a custody dispute. She did not ever get the book & movie deals that she expected, and she finds herself now a divorced single mother of 2, unemployed, and living in Arkansas. She posed nude for Penthouse to get the money, she says, to "put her children thru college". She now states that she was manipulated by the far right into rejecting Clinton's first attempt to settle in 1997. They told her she could get much more money, and a sense of vindication by going to trial.

And she appears to have been oblivious to any motives (or political agenda) of her legal representatives, or fund raisers at the time. However, powerful Republican forces had been trying to ruin Clinton even before he ran for President, as it is set forth in the book: "The Hunting of the President", by Joe Conason & Gene Lyons (published in 2000, by St Martins Press). However, Paula & her husband appeared in an anti-Clinton videotape, "Circle of Power", that was instigated by Pat Matrisciana. (Jeremiah Films, GOP propagandists).

Right wing activists across the nation began spreading every kind of false and scurrilous personal accusation against Clinton, including Jerry Falwell, who distributed hundreds of thousands of videotapes accusing the President of drug smuggling, & a murder conspiracy, (Vince Foster). Several Republican lawyers tried to find evidence that Clinton had fathered a baby with a prostitute. Amidst all this furor, Paula was told by her advisors NOT to accept a 1997 settlement offered by Clinton.

Thus, she sealed her fate and that of the Nation, which now had to endure depositions from the President, & the (Ken) Starr Report, & the Monica Lewinsky affair, leading to impeachment.   A landmark decision from the Supreme Court (which we now know for sure their political agenda in the Bush election vs Gore) had allowed Paula Jones to proceed with a lawsuit against a sitting President.

One advisor to Paula, the anti- abortionist Susan Carpenter-McMillan, insisted that they not settle, but carry it all the way to trial. Jones refusal to accept the settlement infuriated her original two lawyers, Gil Davis & Joe Cammarata, who had negotiated with the President's lawyer Bob Bennett. After several weeks, her 2 lawyers resigned, as the case "had suddenly been transformed from a civil complaint into an unethical political vendetta". (p.76) Also, they offered to give Paula their shares of the settlement in order to end it, because otherwise it would "run up much larger bills than she would ever be able to pay, sharply reducing any net proceeds." It was later proved that they were correct, as out of the $850,000 Bill Clinton paid her, she only got $151,000. (p.76) Thus began a new association with more lawyers, who had a much different Agenda in mind..

Seeking new lawyers, Paula spoke with Ann Coulter (conservative atty & commentator), who had been in contact with the "elves" (group of attys who were conservatives, that had been assisting Davis & Cammarata all along). A new legal team was assembled for Paula by the Rutherford Institute, a religious right legal foundation, based in Charlottesville, VA. Its leader was former Jerry Falwell aide, John Whitehead. He set up attorneys from the Dallas law firm of Rader, Campbell, Fisher & Pyke ---- and Donovan Campbell, (#1 atty on the case) just happened to sit on Rutherford Institute's Board of Directors, & he was also the foundation's Treasurer.

These new attys quickly raised their settlement demand to 2.3 million dollars (triple what they had previously asked). (p. 100) The Dallas attys were "adamant about their investigation of Clinton's private life". It was a long list of depositions that they wanted to obtain, (of alleged Clinton lovers and victims) including: Jennifer Flowers, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, & Monica Lewinsky, + the President himself.

Paula says that Don Campbell (atty) told her "if we take this case, we're in it for the long haul, to take it to trial, and not to settle it out of court". (p.100) In 1994, she set up the Paula Jones Legal 'Fund to raise donations for her expenses. This led to bitterness from the Rutherford Institute, who hoped to exert their own control over funds raised in her behalf. It was a blow that they now had to compete for these donations with her own group. Whitehead had expected a big financial bonanza from championing her cause, and so did others, like the Rev. Patrick Mahoney, who ran Operation Rescue (anti-abortion group) and he set up the first "legal defense' fund for Jones. (p. 114)

But when Penthouse published several nude & semi-nude photos of Paula taken by her boyfriend (Jan., 1995), the minister's support quickly vanished. He called her up and used some "harsh words" and "dumped us real quick", she said. Also, her strict fundamentalist atty Don Campbell began imposing his own ideas of "proper female appearance' on Paula's wardrobe. She argued with him about makeup also, as he said "you know, you don't want to look too cheap" and he told her not to wear bright lipstick or any short skirts anymore. "They wanted to make me into somebody that I really wasn't", she said.

Meanwhile, Whitehead found out that his donations were slim due to fundraising efforts by Bruce W. Eberle, a conservative fundraiser hired by Paula's family, for the Paula Jones Legal Fund. The Fund was originally run by Cindy Hays, a GOP fundraiser and friend of Gil Davis, (her first atty). (p.116)   Paula was told by Cindy that she could legitimately spend lots of this money for personal use, like hairstyles, travel, hotel costs, etc, ---- but later, lawsuits & IRS audits forced her to pay back $20,000.

Nobody seems to be able to recollect when Bruce Eberle entered this effort, & documents are being held in confidence by his attys. Paula says she does not remember how she & Eberle got connected. But some documents suggest that the Jones camp "had ties to orgn's & individuals connected with Richard Mellon Scaife, the notorious Clinton-hating Pittsburgh billionaire".   For instance, there are 2 photocopies of checks sent to the PJones Legal Fund in Oct & Nov 1995, by FLAG, (Fund for Living American Govt) a "charity" group in Wash DC, that is run by William J. Lehrfeld, (a Scaife atty). The amt of the check was $50,000, along with a note to PJ's atty that FLAG expected to be furnished with "suitable acctg of the fund's fees, expenses, & costs".

Also, in this file was a letter from the SouthEastern Legal Foundation, (conservative legal group) that is funded by Scaife. The note praised Eberle for his work for SELF, and its star client, Gary Aldrich. (who was an FBI agent that wrote a book about his service in the Clinton White House (that was mostly fiction). Eberle donated $100,000 to the PJ Fund himself, and promised to raise over $300,000 later. But all the money is gone now, and Paula owes the IRS $20,000 - plus pending lawsuits against her from the state of VA & CO, related to the PJ Fund.

But, "regardless of the cost, she says she doesn't regret suing the President." (p. 116) She says,   "I'm glad it's over with, and I wish it could have been over with a lot sooner. I'm not looking for fame or fortune, or anything like that." -------

Thus the rags to riches story of Paula Jones, an ordinary bar slut who tries to involve herself with the Governor of her state, & then sues him for NOT having sex with her, (an all time most oxymoronic concept). Her boyfriend who took the nude photos, said she frequented many bars, looking for a "boyfriend" who was rich, & she would dress & act in a manner of a prostitute, trying to entice all the men in the place. Not a shy virgin by any means, she already had a child. So then why do you suppose this aggressive wench finagled her way up into Clinton's hotel room? Most probably not to get his autograph. The security guy who led her to this room, was probably a sleazy type who asked sex for the favor of giving her an introduction to the Governor. He was most likely the one who had a zipper problem that day.

Paula was obviously not too bright, and thought that NOT having sex with someone would "ruin her reputation", as she was usually more successful in her endeavors to seduce the local males. It then came as a thought between the 2 of them, Paula & the security guy, that if they made insinuations with sexual overtones, they could get money to shut their mouth. Thus, the sleazeball was set in motion.

As we have seen, the right wing could not wait to jump upon any possible rumor to attack Clinton. Their well-oiled army of attorneys were chomping at the bit to get major lawsuits in motion, for this nothing case. None of them would allow any kind of settlement, (which was very generously offered early on), because their TRUE agenda was to destroy Bill Clinton & his political career.

Yes, even the famous evangelist & preacher (& director of Liberty University) Jerry Falwell, making huge profits from selling anti-Clinton propaganda tapes on his website, (breaking all rules of separation of church & state), & breaking all laws of ethics & moral decency, since he KNEW the charges against Clinton on those tapes were completely FALSE. He continues selling them today, even after Ken Starr's Report completely proves that Clinton was NOT GUILTY of any of those allegations & false charges. Thus goes the morality of the right wing in America.

But the real God smiled down on Bill Clinton, & not only kept his career going as a Governor, but brought him to the White House as President of the United States, (for TWO terms). And even with the phoney trumped up impeachment that went on, using every dirty trick in the GOP official handbook, the popularity of Bill Clinton continues, & Hillary became the Senator from New York. Yes, there is a divine Justice. Amazing, isn't it?

Name:	Larry flynt, Friend of Bill
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	MOO on a roll!

In response to:
In Penthouse magazine, (Dec 2000) there was an article (p.41) about Paula Jones and her lawsuit against President Clinton.

Message:
Of course, you just read Penthouse for the articles, eh, MOO?

Name:	Gimlet
Re:	Crackpots Rampant

In response to:
But the real God smiled down on Bill Clinton, & not only kept his career going as a Governor, but brought him to the White House as President of the United States, (for TWO terms). And even with the phoney trumped up impeachment that went on, using every dirty trick in the GOP official handbook, the popularity of Bill Clinton continues, & Hillary became the Senator from New York. Yes, there is a divine Justice. Amazing, isn't it

Message:
Merci Moi = Bordertex.

Name:	M & M
To:	Merci Moi

In response to:
Bill Clinton continues, & Hillary became the Senator from New York. Yes, there is a divine Justice. Amazing, isn't it

Message:
It's nothing less than astounding, MOO, when one considers that Ms. Clinton could have at any moment suddenly and unexpectedly fallen pregnant!

Name:	Seriously
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	Venom

In response to:
said she frequented many bars, looking for a "boyfriend" who was rich, & she would dress & act in a manner of a prostitute, trying to entice all the men in the place. Not a shy virgin by any means, she already had a child. So then why do you suppose this aggressive wench finagled her way up into Clinton's hotel room? Most probably not to get his autograph. The security guy who led her to this room, was probably a sleazy type who asked sex for the favor of giving her an introduction to the Governor.

Message:
You are not only stupid, but hateful as well.

Name:

the old buzzard

Message:
they say kerry is picking edwards and what does that mean for hillaery if kerry wins and edwards runs after him then its another 16 years before she can run and shell be to old and so maybe edwqards will be taking a ride to fort marsie park at least you know that behind the seens bill and hillary ane terrie macalluff will be working against kerry and edwards

Name:

Noire

In response to:
kerry is picking edwards and what does that mean for hillaery if kerry wins and edwards runs after him then its another 16 years before she can run and shell be to old and so maybe edwqards will be taking a ride to fort marsie park at least you know that behind the seens bill and hillary ane terrie macalluff will

Message:
Edwards will deliver what Kerry can't do without.

Name:

Pardons For Sale !!!!

Message:

Rumor has it that The Gay State Gigolo has it narrowed down to The Most Ethical Twelfth Lady In History or Jacques Chirac.

My money's on Chirac! It's a much better fit.

Name:	Smedley
To:	Merci Mao

In response to:
said she frequented many bars, looking for a "boyfriend" who was rich, & she would dress & act in a manner of a prostitute, trying to entice all the men in the place. Not a shy virgin by any means, she already had a child. So then why ...

Message:
Gee, isn't is AMAZING how those on the left are now blaming the VICTIMS os sexual predation whenever the consequences might diminish their POWER.

Name:	John Birch
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	your side can do no wrong

Message: