ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the argument attacks the person who made the assertion. (such as calling someone a liar.).
EXAMPLE: You may argue that Kerry is a war hero, but you are just a liberal & a liar. (ad hominem abusive)

ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion, the author points to the relationship between the person making the assertion and the person's circumstances.
EXAMPLE: We should discount what Premier Klein says about taxation because he is too rich to care about the increase. (ad hominem circumstantial)

ad hominem (tu quoque): this form of attack on the person notes that a person does not practice what he preaches
EXAMPLE: You say I shouldn't drink, but you haven't been sober for more than a year. (ad hominem tu quoque) - (pronounced "too quo kwee")

Name:	Yeah WE'RE The Bad Guys
Re:	UN Missions Bring New Meaning To Piece Keeper

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NEW YORK -- A book by three current and former U.N. employees about peacekeeping operations portrays wild parties with alcohol and drugs, and convicts and mental-asylum inmates passing as soldiers.

Embarrassed U.N. officials have threatened firing or other disciplinary action against two of the authors, Heidi Postlewait and Andrew Thomson. U.N. rules bar employees from writing about their work without approval, which had been denied in this case.

The third author, former U.N. employee Kenneth Cain, works full time as a writer.

The book, "Emergency Sex and Other Desperate Matters," covers the authors' experiences during the mid-1990s in Cambodia, Somalia and Haiti and paints unflattering pictures of the operations and the peacekeepers. It is due out on June 1. The U.N. peacekeepers sent to Cambodia in 1993 to restore normalcy and supervise open elections, resembled "the international jet set on vacation," writes Mr. Cain, a Harvard law-school graduate. The writers describe sex parties in "a villa" in the Cambodian capital, Phnom Penh, that was "well-known for its Friday night parties," where alcohol and drugs were commonly used.

A favorite drink among the U.N. personnel at the parties was the "Space Shuttle." It was made "by distilling a pound of marijuana over a six-week period with increasingly good quality spirits. It is a work of love, and the final product is an amber-colored liquid that tastes like cognac. We drink it with rounds of Coke."

In another section, the authors say the "peacekeeping troops" sent to Cambodia by Bulgaria were not really soldiers. They write that the Bulgarian government, starved for hard currency, actually cut a deal with inmates, offering them pardons if they accepted the U.N. assignment. Bulgaria, in turn, received financial compensation from the United Nations for its troops.

"The Bulgarians wanted the money, but didn't want to send their best-trained troops. So ... they offered inmates in the prisons and psychiatric wards a deal: Put on a uniform and go to Cambodia for six months, you're free on return," the book says.

Scores of criminals accepted the offer, were given uniforms and became U.N. peacekeepers, the authors say. Mr. Cain describes the Bulgarians as "a battalion of criminal lunatics [who] arrive in a lawless land. They're drunk as sailors, rape vulnerable Cambodian women and crash their U.N. Land Cruisers with remarkable frequency." The Bulgarian Embassy yesterday denied all accusations of wrongdoing in connection with its dispatch of peacekeepers to Cambodia.

"It is totally untrue that the mission was made up of prisoners. Its members were reservists, and they were led by military commanders. Our regular army units were forbidden by law from undertaking foreign assignments at that time," Ambassador Elena Poptodorova said. On the charge that Bulgaria undertook the job because it needed hard currency, she said, "U.N. compensation for our expenses came much later." She acknowledged that there were incidents involving the peacekeepers, but maintained that they were "the exception rather than the rule."

Without going into the merits of the accusations in the book, U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard conceded that the United Nations does not have a system to "verify" the credentials of troops offered for peacekeeping. "When it comes to formed military units, we rely on the donor country to give us professional soldiers. ... There is not a quality-control test, and units vary in the degree of their training from country to country, even from unit to unit," he said.

Dr. Thomson, a U.N. physician, says in the book that he was sent to Haiti in mid-1993 to investigate human rights violations by the junta of Gen. Raoul Cedras. In the country just a month, Dr. Thomson complained: "I'm already enraged, not by the work, but being unable to work. My patients are all either headless and rotting or alive and rotting, out of reach behind prison walls." As conditions worsened, the United Nations decided on a pullout and sent Dr. Thomson to the nearby Dominican Republic.

"The U.N. yanked us out against our will into this catatonic tropical suburbia, this retirement home for failed humanitarians, leaving us sidelined with no way back in," he wrote.

Mr. Eckhard said a decision on whether to discipline the authors is "a political decision, but the authors have violated staff rules."

But he acknowledged that the world organization has no legal recourse to stop the publication of the book. A spokesman for the publisher, Miramax Books, said the company is not bound by obligations between the United Nations and the authors.

Name:	Da Nuze
Re:	New evidence of a link between Iraq and al Qaeda.

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Saddam's Files

Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:01 a.m.

One thing we've learned about Iraq since the fall of Saddam Hussein is that the former dictator was a diligent record keeper. Coalition forces have found--literally--millions of documents. These papers are still being sorted, translated and absorbed, but they are already turning up new facts about Saddam's links to terrorism.

We realize that even raising this subject now is politically incorrect. It is an article of faith among war opponents that there were no links whatsoever--that "secular" Saddam and fundamentalist Islamic terrorists didn't mix. But John Ashcroft's press conference yesterday reminds us that the terror threat remains, and it seems especially irresponsible for journalists not to be open to new evidence. If the CIA was wrong about WMD, couldn't it have also missed Saddam's terror links?

One striking bit of new evidence is that the name Ahmed Hikmat Shakir appears on three captured rosters of officers in Saddam Fedayeen, the elite paramilitary group run by Saddam's son Uday and entrusted with doing much of the regime's dirty work. Our government sources, who have seen translations of the documents, say Shakir is listed with the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel.

This matters because if Shakir was an officer in the Fedayeen, it would establish a direct link between Iraq and the al Qaeda operatives who planned 9/11. Shakir was present at the January 2000 al Qaeda "summit" in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, at which the 9/11 attacks were planned. The U.S. has never been sure whether he was there on behalf of the Iraqi regime or whether he was an Iraqi Islamicist who hooked up with al Qaeda on his own.

It is possible that the Ahmed Hikmat Shakir listed on the Fedayeen rosters is a different man from the Iraqi of the same name with the proven al Qaeda connections. His identity awaits confirmation by al Qaeda operatives in U.S. custody or perhaps by other captured documents. But our sources tell us there is no questioning the authenticity of the three Fedayeen rosters. The chain of control is impeccable. The documents were captured by the U.S. military and have been in U.S. hands ever since.

As others have reported, at the time of the summit Shakir was working at the Kuala Lumpur airport, having obtained the job through an Iraqi intelligence agent at the Iraqi embassy. The four-day al Qaeda meeting was attended by Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi, who were at the controls of American Airlines Flight 77 when it crashed into the Pentagon. Also on hand were Ramzi bin al Shibh, the operational planner of the 9/11 attacks, and Tawfiz al Atash, a high-ranking Osama bin Laden lieutenant and mastermind of the USS Cole bombing. Shakir left Malaysia on January 13, four days after the summit concluded.

That's not the only connection between Shakir and al Qaeda. The Iraqi next turned up in Qatar, where he was arrested on September 17, 2001, six days after the attacks in the U.S. A search of his pockets and apartment uncovered such information as the phone numbers of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers' safe houses and contacts. Also found was information pertaining to a 1995 al Qaeda plot to blow up a dozen commercial airliners over the Pacific.

After a brief detention, our friends the Qataris inexplicably released Shakir, and on October 21 he flew to Amman, Jordan. The Jordanians promptly arrested him, but under pressure from the Iraqis (and Amnesty International, which questioned his detention) and with the acquiescence of the CIA, they let him go after three months. He was last seen heading home to Baghdad.

One of the mysteries of postwar Iraq is why the Bush Administration and our $40-billion-a-year intelligence services haven't devoted more resources to probing the links between Saddam's regime and al Qaeda. In his new book, "The Connection," Stephen Hayes of The Weekly Standard puts together all of the many strands of intriguing evidence that the two did do business together. There's no single "smoking gun," but there sure is a lot of smoke.

The reason to care goes beyond the prewar justification for toppling Saddam and relates directly to our current security. U.S. officials believe that American civilian Nicholas Berg was beheaded in Iraq recently by Abu Musab al-Zarkawi, who is closely linked to al Qaeda and was given high-level medical treatment and sanctuary by Saddam's government. The Baathists killing U.S. soldiers are clearly working with al Qaeda now; Saddam's files might show us how they linked up in the first place.

Name:	Hal Lindsey
Re:	'And a man's foes shall be ... of his own household'

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According to Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, President Bush "has on his shoulders the deaths of many more troops, because he would not heed the advice of his own State Department of what to expect after May 1 when he ... declared that major combat is over." The Islamic media was tickled to find a quote from an American political leader saying the American president has blood on his hands. They couldn't have said it better themselves.

John Kerry slammed the administration in an article in Agence France-Presse and quoted in Islam Online:

With deaths mounting and American sacrifice increasing, it's time he offered a specific plan that secures real international involvement, gets the target off the backs of our troops, and starts to share the burden in Iraq. The president made it clear that he intends to stubbornly cling to the same policy that has led to a greater risk to American troops and a steadily higher cost to the American taxpayer.

You just can't buy propaganda quotes like that. Islam Online was delighted.

On NBC's "Nightly News" in May, correspondent Fred Francis told America that:

In Cairo, anti-U.S. sentiment is so strong many here see no difference here between the actions of Saddam Hussein and George Bush ... One Arab businessman [said], "That is not Jeffersonian democracy. It's more like a lesson from Hitler's book, 'Mein Kampf.'"

(One wonders where NBC had to go to find an Arab businessmen that familiar with Jeffersonian democracy and "Mein Kampf.")

CNN's Bruce Morton found it necessary to remind Americans that we aren't the good guys, even though we like to think we are.

The pictures of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib are hard to look at. They will make it easier for foreigners to hate America, but they will also make us take a hard look at ourselves. We like to think that we're the good guys, but we're not. Not always. We learned this lesson last in Vietnam, in a village called My Lai. In March of 1968, Charlie Company of the 11th Light Infantry Brigade, came to My Lai and killed many unarmed men, women and children. The plaque in the My Lai Museum lists 504.

– May 4, "Inside Politics"

According to Newsweek's Fareed Zakaria, "whether he wins or loses in November, George W. Bush's legacy is now clear: the creation of a poisonous atmosphere of anti-Americanism around the globe." Zakaria doesn't say how George Bush "created the poisonous atmosphere of anti-Americanism around the globe," but it seems pretty obvious his column won't do much to suck much of the poison out of the air.

It is almost like a witnessing the incitement of a lynch mob – except that the ones inciting the mob are the ones who will eventually be the guests of honor at the necktie party. It isn't like al-Qaida's operatives are planning to separate Republicans from Democrats in their next attack.

There are two Americas right now, at a time when America desperately needs to stand united against a common foe. As in Vietnam, America can only be defeated from within. And our enemy knows that. That is what he is counting on. It isn't a new tactic. "Divide and conquer" has been in the military handbook since the first soldiers picked up their first spears and faced each other across the battlefield.

And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided

against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided

against itself shall not stand ...

– Matthew 12:25

Somebody ought to point that out to the "other" America – before it is too late.

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Black Sands

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The U.S. Postal Service created a stamp earlier this year with a picture of President Bush to honor his achievements while in office. However, it was found that in daily use the stamp was not sticking to envelopes at all.

So the President established a blue ribbon commission to determine the reason for such a defect.

After a month's testing (and $5 million later) the commission made the following findings:

1. The stamp was found to be in perfect order.

2. There was nothing wrong with the consistency of the applied adhesive.

3. People were just spitting on the wrong side.

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Print a text version of this article Iranian official threatens U.S. Submitted By:Jack Click for Source Article An official of Iran's Revolutionary Guards has threatened the United States and other Western nations with suicide and missile attacks aimed at 29 sensitive sites. "Our missiles are now ready to strike at their civilization, and as soon as the instructions arrive from leader ['Ali Khamenei], we will launch our missiles at their cities and installations," the Revolutionary Guard adviser said in a speech reported by the London Arabic-language daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, according to Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI. He also threatened to "take over" Britian. The paper reported "an Iranian intelligence unit has established a center called The Brigades of the Shahids of the Global Islamic Awakening to replace the Iranian Revolutionary Guards' Department of Liberation and Revolutionary Movements, which had been in charge of helping and training revolutionary forces across the world." A source close to the Revolutionary Guards intelligence confirmed confirmed the establishment of a new office that has begun registering the names of suicide volunteers to be sent to Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon, the London paper said. In a tape of the speech obtained by the paper, the official spoke of Tehran's "secret strategy" aimed at taking over the Arab and Muslim countries by means of helping revolutionary forces and organizations." The official, identified only with the initials H.A., has published a number of works on exporting the Islamic revolution and struggling against the U.S. "In his speech at a secret conference attended by students who are members of the Ansar Hizbullah movement at Al-Hussein University, the official harshly criticized reformist President Muhammad Khatami and his "dubious idea" of dialogue between civilizations. "We do not want to take over the British Embassy, since [the British] have already cleared the embassy of documents; we must take over Britain [itself]," he said. "The West sees us as terrorists, and depicts our strategy as terrorism and repression," the officials continued. "Had our youth agreed to Khatami's teachings and interpretations, it would never have fought the arrogance [U.S.], and would never have defended the holy places -- because Khatami speaks always of being conciliatory, of patience, and of rejecting terrorism, while we defend [the line of] toughness and war against the enemies of revolutionary Islam. I take pride in my actions that cause anxiety and fear to the Americans." He continued: "'Haven't the Jews and the Christians achieved their progress by means of toughness and repression? We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization and for the uprooting of the Americans and the English. "Our missiles are now ready to strike at their civilization, and as soon as the instructions arrive from leader ['Ali Khamenei], we will launch our missiles at their cities and installations. "Our motto during the war [in Iraq] was: Karbala, we are coming, Jerusalem, we are coming. And because of Khatami's policies and dialogue between the civilizations, we have been compelled to freeze our plan to liberate the Islamic cities. And now we are [again] about to carry out the program. Later in his speech, the official declared "the global infidel front is a front against Allah and the Muslims, and we must make use of everything we have at hand to strike at this front, by means of our suicide operations or by means of our missiles. There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them." He emphasized, "If Israel dares attack the [nuclear] installations at Bushehr, our losses will be very low, because [only] one structure will be destroyed -- while we have means of attacking Israel's nuclear facilities and arsenals such that no trace of Israel will remain." The previous day, according to MEMRI, Iranian sources had statements on the same issue. At a ceremony marking the four-year anniversary of Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon, Ali Akbar Makhatashemi-Pour, reformist MP and secretary-general of the International Committee for the Support of the Palestinian Intifada, called on Muslim countries to open their borders with Iraq to troops of Muslim martyrdom bombers. "We, the Muslim countries, must create a storm front against the U.S. and Israel," he said. "The half-million member organization that was created in Beirut [Hezbollah] is not sufficient. Many young Muslims are willing to carry out martyrdom operations against the American Crusaders." According to the Iranian reformist paper Sharq, the Persian-language Ruydad website cited Hezbollah-Iran activist Forouz Rajaii-Far saying "martyrdom operations are the only option to expel the Americans and British from Iraq." Rajaii-Far said a Basij activist from Elm Vasonaat University in Iran acknowledged a group calling itself the "To Karbala Battalion" was sent Thursday to Karbala to fight the coalition forces. Name:    Julian Schvindlerman Re:    When Hitler became Abu Ali Message: Forty years ago last week, SS-Oberstumbannfuehrer Adolf Eichmann was executed in Israel. He had been arrested at the end of World War II and confined to an American internment camp, but he managed to escape to Argentina. He lived there for 10 years under the name Ricardo Klement until Israeli secret agents abducted him in 1960 and spirited him to Israel. Eight months after his trial opened in Jerusalem, Eichmann was found guilty of crimes against humanity and the Jewish people and was sentenced to death. He was executed on May 31, 1962; his remains were cremated and the ashes scattered over the Mediterranean Sea -- outside Israeli waters. This is the only case in which the death penalty has been carried out in Israel. Eichmann's record is notorious. He was the head of the Department for Jewish Affairs in the Gestapo from 1941 to 1945 and was chief of operations in sending three million Jews to the extermination camps. After the war, he became one of the most sought-out Nazi fugitives. The international community condemned Israel's kidnapping of Eichmann, but it was nonetheless able to see the justice in, and legitimacy of, Israel's action. The trial itself, marked by strict adherence to legal procedure, elicited worldwide admiration, and the Nazi's execution was seen everywhere as a crucial vindication in the post-Holocaust era. Everywhere, that is, but in the Arab world. There, Eichmann's capture, trial and execution were condemned, and Eichmann was venerated as a ''martyr.'' The Jordanian daily A-Ra' ai praised him for exterminating ''members of the race of dogs and monkeys.'' The Saudi periodical Al-Bilar saluted him for his courage. The Lebanese newspaper Al-Anwar published a cartoon lamenting the fact that the Nazi officer had not killed more Jews. But let us view this Arab beatification of Eichmann in its proper historical context. When Hitler took power in 1933, telegrams of congratulations were dispatched from Arab capitals. In 1937, Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels praised the Arabs' ''national and racial conscience,'' noting that ''Nazi flags fly in Palestine and they adorn their houses with Swastikas and portraits of Hitler.'' In 1943, Heinrich Himmler, the head of the SS, spoke highly of the ``natural alliance that exists between the National-Socialism of Great Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the world.'' HISTORICAL INVERSION Pro-German parties and youth movements attuned to the trappings of National-Socialism sprouted in Syria, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt. Even Nazi slogans were translated into Arabic. A Mideast song popular in the late 1930s crooned: ''No more Monsieur, no more Mister. In Heaven Allah, on Earth Hitler.'' The Füehrer himself was even Islamicized under the new name of Abu Ali. Love of Nazism spread like wildfire in the region. Among the many Nazi sympathizers at the time were Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and president of the Arab Higher Committee; Ahmed Shukairi, first chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization; Gamal Abdel Nasser and Anwar Sadat, who became presidents of Egypt; Islamic fundamentalist leaders; and the founders of the Pan-Arab socialist Ba'ath party, currently ruling Syria and Iraq. (One Ba'ath leader proudly recounted: ``We were racists, admiring Nazism, reading their books and sources of their thought. We were the first who thought of translating Mein Kampf.''). Praise for Hitler among Arabs did not vanish after the war. In 1965, a Moroccan commentator on Middle East affairs wrote this in the French magazine Les Temps Modernes: ``A Hitlerian myth is being cultivated on a popular level. Hitler's massacre of the Jews is eulogized. It is even believed that Hitler did not die. His arrival is longed for.'' In mid-2001, an Egyptian columnist wrote in the government-sponsored Al-Akhbar: ''Thank you, Hitler, of blessed memory, who on behalf of the Palestinians avenged in advance against the most vile criminals on Earth.'' Two months later, Egypt's Press Syndicate awarded this writer its highest distinction. Since Hitler's ascent to power in 1933, the Arabs have been adulating Nazism. It seems that some things never change -- or perhaps some things do. Now the Arabs accuse the Jews of being Nazis. In this way, Hitler's loyal fans are equating the primary victims of his genocide with the Nazi executioners themselves. The defining expression of chutzpah is a man who murders his parents and then begs the jury for pity on the grounds that he is an orphan. But the Arabs' perverse historical and moral inversion requires a new definition for the term. For chutzpah cannot sufficiently represent this incredible gall. Julián Schvindlerman is a political analyst and journalist in Washington, D.C.

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satan

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And what sort of moron, other than a Democrat, fails out of DIVINITY school?

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Well, once you got into "divinity" and saw what a crock it was, failure is the only option.

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"has on his shoulders the deaths of many more troops, because he would not heed the advice of his own State Department of what to expect after May 1 when he ... declared that major combat is over."

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Bush looks like a bungler, sounds like a bungler, and walks like a bungler. Ergo, he must be a duck.... However, the democrats have a rather checkered history as regards deaths of troops. Under a democratic administration, WWII and the reconstruction in Europe and Japan was an amazing success. Under a democratic administration (and Eisenhower), the result in Korea was a good one. Under a democratic administration (and Nixon) in Vietnam, the result was disastrous. As an aside, in all three "wars", the troops excelled. It isn't their fault for bungling administrations, democratic or republican.

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The paper reported "an Iranian intelligence unit has established a center called The Brigades of the Shahids of the Global Islamic Awakening to replace the Iranian Revolutionary Guards' Department of Liberation and Revolutionary Movements, which had been in charge of helping and training revolutionary forces across the world."

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In the not too distant future, this will read: "an Iraqi intelligence ..."

Name:	Da Nuze
To:	Scroll Mouse

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I can’t for the life of me understand the reasoning behind using Merci Moi’s definitions of “ad hominem” as a masthead when below it is an article by Hal Lindsey which is much more appropriate to the current issues we ALL are facing. What happened to the new tone? We are all responsible, left and right for the new tone.

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That's why I posted it. And why I come here less and less.

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Terminator

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Just learned that Col. Robert K. Morgan, pilot of the famed WWII B-17 Bomber "Memphis Belle" has passed away at age 85 following complications from a fall.

On a personal note, I shook his hand a few weeks back after he signed a copy of his book The Man Who Flew the Memphis Belle for me. I was struck by how frail he was at the time.

Name:	Ewesage
To:	Individual, the contentious HACK
Re:	Blah Blah

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Really. I thought the articles of confederation were replaced by the constitution back in the late 1700s. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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So they were. So what? As you well know, HACK, the confederation of states that came to comprise the United States survived the Articles of Confederation. The aformentioned confederation endures to this day, considerably expanded in territory and membership.

Name:	Walter Brennan
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	The Art, Equippage, and History of War

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Divide and conquer" has been in the military handbook since the first soldiers picked up their first spears and faced each other across the battlefield.

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There were no handbooks in those antideluvian times, and it was the jawbone of an ass, not a spear. There were no politics involved. They just waded in amongst one another and bashed each other's heads in.

Soon, jawbones of asses proliferated, and that took a lot of the fun out of the melees, and so some Republican came upwith the spear, or pig-sticker. Well, they proliferated pretty good, too, and then another Republican, probably a Texan, came up with the atltl, and things really got going good. You could punch holes in people who were almost too far away to see. But those atltls proliferated too, of course.

Before too long, some John Bircher was twanging his buttsack, or some such thing, (he might have been a Tennessean) and suddenly he hit upon the idea of using the string of the buttsack (or whatever) to fling a mini-spear at the big dude who had been banging some of his old ladies. He whittled up some nice mini-spears and tried them out on some goats that improvidently wandered into view. It worked far better than he had dared to hope it would, and he proceeded to punch holes in the big dude, and indeed, in all of his enemies and less-favorite relatives and then he slew the dreaded catamount besides, and all without breaking a sweat. He could out-hunt any ten men of the tribe, too.

So he was made King by popular acclaim and everyone started to wear their hair and sideburns like he did. Many of the younger fellows took to spending long hours in the forest twanging their buttsacks (or whatever), but none of them ever had quite the success of The King.

Name:	Ad Hominem Watch International
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	Furthering your education...

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Ad hominem attacks can be directed towards a third party...

Name:	Da Nuze
To:	FORUM
Re:	Changing the tone

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For example instead of attacking Bush's or Hillary's policy's or ideas the adhominista picks a "personal" trait or tangential idea then hyperbolizes the point with skewed opinion pieces and presents them as "facts".

There is nothing wrong with advocating your candidate...DO IT WITHOUT THE HATE

To both wings...ELECTION 2000 is OVER...to quote Monty Python "the parrot is dead, deceased...kaput"

IF this forum is to grow and attract more open minded people, the mutual p!ssing contests HAVE TO QUIT

Stepping off my soapbox...

Name:	Right Wing Pirahna #3
To:	Smedley

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"...the 440 girls had the best legs..."

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Well, you have your opinion.
Me, I helped coach the girls 'High Jump' H.S. team...
(No, never!)

8^)

Name:	Da Nuze
Re:	Good News From Iraq

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Soldiers get wheelchair for Iraqi girl with Cerebral Palsy

From Lt. Col. Drew Ryan: In July we visited the town of Albu Hassan. Just outside of the Balad, Iraq Airfield, the villagers had suffered tremendously under the Hussain Regime. Their farm fields were taken from them for the airfield, with no compensation, and no jobs forthcoming from the base. The results were evident when we arrived -- rundown, ramshackle structures, inadequate electric, no plumbing, sewer, etc. We took interest in the school, which was likewise rundown and lacked basic necessities such as electric fans (to cool the sweltering 130 degree temperatures during the summer) or heaters to warm the cold mornings in winter, no running water, and virtually no school supplies. And all of this in a mud walled building with a palm thatched roof which birds often nested in. Not a place for education to prosper, and often the children left school after 5th grade because of the conditions, and lack of hope.

We found the money to rebuild the primary school and to build a completely new secondary school, complete with ceiling fans in each room, windows with glass and screens, lights, and new roofing. We watched as the construction progressed throughout the summer and into the fall, and began to deliver small gifts of soccer balls, pens, pencils, notebooks, maps, etc from individuals and groups back at home who would donate small (and some not so small) gifts for the students and the community. We became the "Hope" that Albu Hassan had lacked for so many years... and the teachers looked to us for small things, and we did what we could.

One afternoon we set a small medical evaluation station at the school for the students and local community members. The headmaster, Saghban Farhand Mohammed, asked me if one of the teachers could speak to me. Ms. Imman Habbeb A'acka introduced herself and explained that she is a single mother of two children, and her older child, Saffa, has Cerebral Palsy. Although Saffa was not a student at the school, she wondered if the doctor could evaluate her anyway. Our doctor did and although there was nothing he could do for Saffa, he later suggested that a wheelchair would allow Imman to take her daughter out of the house much more easily. Then the search was on.

Lt. Col. Drew Ryan (left) and Maj. Tony Davis (right) with Saffa and her mother

I contacted many friends back at home but nobody could find a used wheelchair. I then read an article in the Marin (county, CA) Independent Journal, about 3 doctors who were travelling to Baghdad to help re-establish the medical community. I contacted the author of the article who forwarded my note and request for a wheelchair to Dr. Ira Sharlip, one of the doctors who was scheduled to visit. Ira and I began regular email communication, and he was able to obtain a wheelchair from California Pacific Medical Center, through the help of Dr. Martin Brotman, President of the board of directors, and Jack Bailey, the Vice President of Operations.

I have since returned home from Iraq, but they are continuing the great spirit of service to the communities that we established during our year there.

Source... http://www.operationiraqichildren.org/

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Re:	The War That Ruined Our Innocence

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Finally... condolences to all the wounded hearts, shattered souls and families who have lost loved ones or have people in harm's way.

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When Diane and Mark Cadigan passed away within 16 days of each other, the couple left behind eight children, ages 12 to 23, to make their own way in the world. To help ease some of this Livermore, California family's grief and relieve the stress of living in a deteriorating house, the design team will rip up and tear down practically everything to make way for a beautiful, dramatically different house, courtesy of Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, on the season finale episode.

Name:	Da Nuze
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On July 29, 1967 the USS Forrestal was operating off the coast of Vietnam conducting combat operations. This was the fifth such day of operations and at 10:52am the crew was starting the second launch cycle of the day, when suddenly a zuni rocket accidentally fired from an F-4 Phantom into a parked and armed A-4 Skyhawk. The accidental launch and subsequent impact caused the belly fuel tank and a 1,000 pound bomb on the Skyhawk to fall off, the tank broke open spilling JP5 (jet fuel) onto the flight deck and ignited a fire. Within a minute and a half the bomb was the first to cook-off and explode, this caused a massive chain reaction of explosions that engulfed half the airwings aircraft, and blew huge holes in the steel flight deck. Fed by fuel and bombs from other aircraft that were armed and ready for the coming strike, the fire spread quickly, many pilots and support personnel were trapped and burned alive.

Fuel and bombs spilled into the holes in the flight deck igniting fires on decks further into the bowels of the ship. The crew heroically fought the fire and carried armed bombs to the side of the ship to throw them overboard for 13 hours. Once the fires were under control, the extent of the devistation was apparent. Most tragic was the loss to the crew, 134 had lost their lives, while an additional 64 were injured, this was and still remains the single worst loss of life on a navy vessel since the USS Franklin (CV-13) was bombed in WWII. Forrestal limped into Cubi Point in the Phillipines for temporary repairs.

In only eight days enough repairs were made that she could start the long trip back to her home port of Norfolk, Virginia for permanent repairs. On her way home she was capable of operating aircraft if needed. Forrestal would spend seven months in the yards being repaired, she was re-built from the hanger up and forward to elevator number four, this accounts for about 1/5 the ships length and 5 decks. On April 8, 1968 Forrestal was once again ready to take her place in the fleet, she was never to return to Vietnam.

List of those who lost their lives onboard USS Forrestal - 29 July 1967 (As listed on panel 24E at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (the wall) in Washington, D.C.)

Marvin J. Adkins * Everettt A. Allen * Gary J. Ardeneaux Tony A. Barnett * Dennis M. Barton * Robert L. Bennett

Mark R. Bishop * James L. Blaskis * William V. Brindle

Bobby J. Brown * Jerry D. Byars * Marvin F. Campeau

Jack M. Carlan * Daniel G. Cavazos * Ray A. Chatelain

Richard D. Clendenen * William D. Collins * Robert B. Cotton

James L. Crenshaw * Mario C. Crugnola, Jr. * Robert J. Davies

Thomas J. Dawson, Jr. * Jerold V. Despard * Edward R. Dorsey

Joseph G. Dugas * Paul A. Dupere * John S. Duplaga

Walter T. Eads * James A. Earick * John T. Edwards

Gerald W. Farrier * Kenneth L. Fasth * John J. Fiedler

Russell L. Fike * Harold Fontenot * Johnnie L. Frazier

Gerald G. Fredrickson * Herbert A. Frye * Ramon Garza

Robert E. Geller * Richard H. Gibson * Laurence J. Gilbert

William T. Gilroy * Larry E. Grace * Russell A. Grazier

Charles C. Gregory * William C. Hartgen * Robert L. Hasz

Richard A. Hatcher * William K. Hinckley * Stephen L. Hock

Larry D. Holley * Calvin D. Howison * Philip L. Hudson

Julius B. Hughes * Donald N. Hugo * Ralph W. Jacobs

Donald W. Jedlicka * William B. Justin * Thomas M. Kane

Charles D. Kieser * Joseph Kosik III * Edward L. La Barr

Wade A. Lannom, Jr. * William Lee * Robert C. Leonberg

John T. Lilla * Arnold E. H. Lohse * Charles E. Long

William E. Lowe * Kenneth W. Lozier * James S. MacVickar, Jr.

Ralph E. Manning * Earle E. McAuliffe, Jr. * Brian D. McConahay

George C. McDonald * Frank C. McNelis, Jr. * William V. McQuaide

Allan R. Metz * George D. Miller * Edward A. Mindyas

Hubert H. Morgan, Jr. * Leroy Moser * James E. Neumeyer

Gary E. Newby * James E. Newkirk * Ronald R. Ogring

Thomas D. Ott II * Wayne H. Ott * Richard L. Owens

Richard T. Pinta * Raymond N. Plesh * John C. Pody

Ernest E. Polston * Douglas A. Post * Robert M. Priviech

John M. Pruner * Robert A. Rhuda * Charles R. Rich

Jerry P. Rodgers * Dale R. Ross * James M. Runnels

Harvey D. Scofield * Joseph C. Shartzer * William J. Shields

Richard M. Sietz * David W. Smith * Richard T. Smith

John F. Snow * John C. Spiess * Nelson E. Spitler

Johnny W. Spivey * Gerry L. Stark * Walter E. Steele

Wendell W. Stewart * Robert A. Stickler * Kenneth D. Strain

Robert H. Swain * Delton E. Terry * Norman A. Thomas

William F. Thompson * Richard J. Vallone * Robert J. Velasquez

Juan A. Velez * George E. Wall * Harold D. Watkins

Gregory L. Webb * Gerald A. Wehde * Judson A. Wells, Jr.

Richard L. Wescott * Edward J. Wessells * Fred D. White

Kerry D. Wisdom * Robert L. Zwerlein

Not to be forgotten...

Name:

Updraft

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Big Trouble

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A massive tornado outbreak is currently underway across several Midwestern states.

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Coonan

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The ONLY reason to vote for Bush over Kerry is that Bush will not subjugate the soveregnty of the US to the UN, but Kerry promised he will.

Name:	Da Nuze
To:	Dominus Vobiscum

In response to:
You are correct, however, this website is not simply a general political discussion forum. There is an AGENDA here. A controversial agenda that seeks to put government in possession and control of even more of the American people's lives and finances than it already is. It is a pro Hillary Clinton, anti Republican/Conservative, anti-Constitutional, Socialist/Progressive agenda. Some of the Leftist correspondents take care to be not only calculatingly inaccurate, but provocative in more overt ways as well.

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Then don't get sidetracked into schoolyard scuffles. Go after the main points, disprove the fallacies and highlight the hyperbole without stooping to it yourself.

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The Siver Slipper Town

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Bush bashers- These are all liberals that are still foaming at the mouth from 2000 election, these guys just can’t get over anything, they hate bush because well he is actually a EFFECTIVE president. They hate bush for going to war in Iraq but truth is they are just selfish little bastards who care nothing about other human beings because if they did they would have supported this war and the liberation of these people, but they wont you know why? Because they still have a hard-on from 2000 election. Let's look at some of the arguments the liberals have.....

"The war is turning into a quagmire" We have been there for some 6 months only, we were in Japan for some 10 years

"The war is for oil" God I’m getting sick of this one, someone tell me for the love of god

"Bush is a liar there no WMD's" Did it really matter to you liberals? i mean if he found them you would just say he planted them...(they will be found)

"Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11 and administration led the people to believe they did..." No they didn’t show me where Bush ever said Iraq was directly involved in 911, you can’t he never did, he did say al-qaeda agents were in northern Iraq, which is TRUE not a single intelligence agency in the world has ever denied this, of course to save you the email they were in the part of Iraq not controlled by Saddam (or was it?)

"Look at all the money they are spending on war...." You are such a scumbag if you say this, you put a price on the freedom of a enslaved people and our national security, your the type of scumbag that would cut the CIA budget (cough*Clinton).

"How are we protecting our nation from terrorist if we attack Iraq..." Simple, they are attack us overseas and coming out in Iraq to frontlines where we can destroy them in the open, which in turn prevents them from attacking us here

These are just a few.

The reason why Americans believe in this man is because WE trust him, after 8 years with that criminal and rapist in office Bill Clinton, we needed government we can trust especially with our security. Liberals will never get this, because they are just to stupid and look at the world thru utopia glasses. Liberals believe that we deserve everything we are getting because we are powerful and drive SUVs. Also liberals have a nasty habit of creating facts and changing history. They just will never get it and people like me (neo-conservative) just grow tired of making you look stupid and like the crazy wackados you are.

Also why man neo-cons like me don’t really care what you say is because well, history is on our side. Example, when it comes down to it we go down in history as liberation of Iraq....

HAHAH, that’s all I have to say, wait one more time, HAHA, that felt good.

How does it feel to be a liberal and on the wrong side of history again?

How does it feel to constantly fight and imaginary conspiracy that doesn’t exist?

All I can say is that your principles can be black and white, but international politics can not, its different shades of black and white. That is probably why lefty’s will never get it they think everything can be accomplished by waiving a magic wand. Their idea of national security is slashing our military budget and being a pacifist. These ideals are dangerous because they will cost American lives in the down road (see 9-11, Clinton years). United States can not afford to be a nation which returns to its pre-911 false sense of security (see Clinton years).

Right now as we speak there are brave men and women are fighting and dying for our nation, so stand back sissy boy and we will fight…

Let us do our job of protecting this nation and preserving our freedoms for future generations.

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Da Nuze

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"A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." --George Bernard Shaw

Name:	Ad Hominem Watch International
To:	Scotty
Re:	Wow!... one whole poll! what will we do?

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They're too in' god damn patriotic! Don't think yourselfs as a complete victim of 9/11! We know you're a victim of terrorism,but there has to be a reason the terrorists chose America! Even in this poll I saw on the Internet,it showed that many Europeans thought that it's a little bit of America's fault that they had the 9/11 attacks! See! How come you in' s get involved with war many times and don't learn from the god damn mistakes! WW1,WW2,Vietnam war,Gulf war and now this in' situation is happening because you in' bastards didn't get rid of Saddam ar ...

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ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the argument attacks the person who made the assertion. (such as calling someone a liar.).

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Socialism is Spoof

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"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." --Winston Churchill

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magpie

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WW1,

went to do to what the french were incapable of.

WW2,

did i mention that the french are wusses?

Vietnam war,

frogs at war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gulf war and now this in' situation is happening because you in' bastards didn't get rid of Saddam around the Gulf war!

ah. we went to the french the first time and chirac was a wuss. bush has to gonads to tell the french to screw each others faces.

Name:	kylie minogue
To:	magpie
Re:	American flag is fashionable

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Please tell magpie, you are a closed minded fool. Do you honestly think that these people... the ones who like to be unique and to have their own style... or even just a different style, are a problem in our society? Myself I'm pretty average.. I don't understand Republicans. It seems to me that everything the Republicans believe in is ridiculously stupid and selfish and even contradictory to istelf.

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Da Nuze

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"Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries." --Douglas Casey, Classmate of W. J. Clinton at Georgetown U. (1992)

Name:	Ad Hominem Watch International
To:	kylie minogue
Re:	Changing the Tone

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Please tell magpie, you are a closed minded fool. Do you honestly think that these people... the ones who like to be unique and to have their own style... or even just a different style, are a problem in our society? Myself I'm pretty average.. I don't understand Republicans. It seems to me that everything the Republicans believe in is *ridiculously stupid* and *selfish*and even contradictory to istelf.

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ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion, the author points to the relationship between the person making the assertion and the person's circumstances.

Name:	Scotty
To:	Magpie

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your self-loathing LEAPS off the page...seek help --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Religion is another thing that's big with Repsublicans. Except the only religion that Republicans seem to be in line with is Christianity, and extremely conservatice Christianity at that. How can an agent of the government aline itself so directly with a religion when the separation of church and state is the main tenet that this country was founded on?

Other examples include government spending, abortion, drug policy, repeat offender laws and a myriad of other things that are played out in politics. The short story is that Republicans support ideas that favor rich people and trickle down economics as well as trying to act as the moral backbone of society when that's the last thing that most people are looking for. It's the last thing I'm looking for anyway.

But like I say, the point of this little diatribe isn't to bash Republicans. The thing that leaves me in a quandary is the fact that any intelligent person could choose to be a Republican. Yet there are many intelligent people across the country who are indeed Republicans. There are people who believe as strongly in the party as I disbelieve in it. I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea that any person with moderate intelligence would choose to fervently suuport these clowns. And the politicians. They get on TV and say the stupidest things ever. But they clearly believe in them. How? Why? What am I missing?

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Da Nuze

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"The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools."--Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)

Name:	kylie minogue
To:	forum

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Someone please help me. I need to know what there is to believe in. What is it that attracts middle America and other intelligent people across the country to this mindset that makes absolutely no sense to me? Why can't I at least see the opposite side of the arguments against Republicans. What is it that makes this such a mystery to me? What is is that's making me so closed-minded and prejudiced against these otherwise normal people?

Anyone who can offer any interpretation of the Republicans that makes moral, ethical, and social sense to me would truly be a hero in my eyes. I'm quite frankly upset at myself for my inablitity to offer leniency to the other half of Americans. So please, someone write me, let me know what it is that makes the Republican party the one. I don't want you to change my mind, I doubt that you could, but I just want to understand. Please help me.

Name:	Politicans Say The Darndest Things
To:	Scotty

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They get on TV and say the stupidest things ever.

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You never heard of selective editing? With the competition in today's newsfield and the short attention span of the viewers all an editor wants is a pithy 10 second quote. Couple that with a personal animus for or against that politician or his/her party and you get the sorry state of today's "news"

Name:	Da Nuze
To:	kylie

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Anyone who can offer any interpretation of the Republicans that makes moral, ethical, and social sense to me would truly be a hero in my eyes. I'm quite frankly upset at myself for my inablitity to offer leniency to the other half of Americans. So please, someone write me, let me know what it is that makes the Republican party the one. I don't want you to change my mind, I doubt that you could, but I just want to understand. Please help me.

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Incredibly vague...and no party is THE answer. therein lies your first problem.

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Ritzo

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Fuel and bombs spilled into the holes in the flight deck igniting fires on decks further into the bowels of the ship. The crew heroically fought the fire and carried armed bombs to the side of the ship to throw them overboard for 13 hours. Once the fires were under control, the extent of the devastation was apparent. Most tragic was the loss to the crew, 134 had lost their lives, while an additional 64 were injured, this was and still remains the single worst loss of life on a navy vessel since the USS Franklin (CV-13) was bombed in WWII. Forrestal limped into Cubi Point in the Phillipines for ...

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The story of the USS Franklin (WWII) is indeed similar, except that the Franklin was attacked by the enemy instead of suffering an accident.

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'Toon Time

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Name:	Ad Hominem Watch International
To:	'Toon Time

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uncalled for...besides that let's concentrate on remembering the sacrifices of our veterans and their families this weekend...OK?

Name:	'TT
To:	AHWI

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besides that let's concentrate on remembering the sacrifices of our veterans and their families this weekend.

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Hey, babe, some of us do that 24/7.

Name:	AHWI
To:	TT
Re:	Dedication, Duty, Honor

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What veteran most influenced your life and why?

Name:	Changing the Tone
To:	Liverpool Hardy

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Rightwing Trash mouth

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ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the argument attacks the person who made the assertion. (such as calling someone a liar.).

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Don't Make Me Have Ta Bring Fluffy In Here

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Name:	Free will is hard to master
To:	Fool

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really think this should be the dems new mantra.

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Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.

The attribute of the human psyche characterized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

Do not bare this thought lightly, and do not deflect the finger of blame. We in one sense or another are all narcissistic hedons. It is that which relieves us most from this dreadful fate that we must surrender to.

Name:	Bot Taster
To:	Free will is hard to master magpie
Re:	Gay school choice

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I am sure I am not the only one thinking this, but how many times has George Bush and his associates been caught in a lie, completely contradicting their words? If you lie in a court room about running a red traffic light you can be jailed. These people, leaders of the world, lie to our faces and have convinced us now that we need to wage war with the rest of the world. Why dont they clear up their own situation first rather than use the deaths of thousands of people as some excuse to attack other countries, george bush said, Of course you need to advocate violence in order to bring peace! isnt this like the schoolboy mentality, he hit me so i will hit him. On a smaller scale when we are teaching our children we understand this, but we dont seem to understand this simple fact on a grand scale, we just attack!

Name:	Im a Socialist
To:	RightWing

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if that ain't some hillapoo socialist guilt pushing demo crapopppola.....

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What I don't get is the death penalty because the government is comitting the same crime as the guy that's getting killed for killing a bunch of people. think about that one. and then the govenment says that gambling is an addiction and that you shouldn't gamble. well then why do they have to collect tax on it wouldn't that be the govenment being addicted. make sense? i think not. and what's this thing with President Bush saying o don't do drugs they're bad!! he should look in the mirror. wasn't he a druggie back in the day too? yeah thought so. The government says that they want to make peace with everyone but then why are we going to war? can't we all just hate in peace. becuase they're will never be world peace liek those stupid miss america people talk about. blah blah. well i'm out. I need blood baby!!!!

Name:	A friend of the pie man
To:	magpie trick
Re:	Fools

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Bush is a liar there no WMD's" Did it really matter to you liberals? i mean if he found them you would just say he planted them...(they will be found) "Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11 and administration led the people to believe they

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Everything we are doing now that would make a person stop and think. hey this isnt right. we have been doing for a long long time. WAR. if there is anything we as a species can learn from history classes, it is that war is a mistake. people who come in the name of peace usually dont have guns. we have been repeating the mistakes of the past throughout all our history. war after war and the world still sucks. the only thing different is the names and that now people have more efficient ways of killing each other. I need me some cock to suck on.

Name:	You're boring
To:	Im an adhominista

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*What I don't get is the death penalty because the government is comitting the same crime as the guy that's getting killed for killing a bunch of people.* think about that one. and *then the govenment says that gambling is an addiction and that you shouldn't gamble. well then why do they have to collect tax on it wouldn't that be the govenment being addicted*. make sense? i think not. and what's this thing with *President Bush saying o don't do drugs they're bad!! he should look in the mirror. wasn't he a druggie back in the day too? yeah thought so*. The government says that they want to make ...

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ad hominem (tu quoque): this form of attack on the person notes that a person does not practice what he preaches EXAMPLE: You say I shouldn't drink, but you haven't been sober for more than a year. (ad hominem tu quoque) - (pronounced "too quo kwee")

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History

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Everything we are doing now that would make a person stop and think. hey this isnt right. we have been doing for a long long time. WAR. if there is anything we as a species can learn from history classes, it is that war is a mistake.

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Except for ending slavery, liberating Europe and establishing basic human rights you're right...War has never solved anything.

Name:	Juice filled boy
To:	magpie

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Modern Man's greatest problem is that his technology is advancing at a faster pace than his moral conscience.

The best way to achieve peace is not with a knife. MY GOD! What has happened to North America? I don't think I've gone one damned day without seeing one of these self-described thugs since 1997, and it's getting worse by the day. There are just too many things to list in my busy days so I'll just state my main pet-peeves.

Ghetto?

Why do people claim they, or other's for that matter come from the Ghetto? With the exception on Jewish people from the 1940's. Don't know what I'm talking about? Look it up jackass.

Name:	Me You Guy
To:	Phantom of the Opera

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Except for ending slavery, liberating Europe and establishing basic human rights you're right...War has never solved anything

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I'm sick and tired of the word "Socialist". I know I'm a Socialist so use my name for fuck sakes."Dawg", just what the hell are you implying? If I could offer just one piece of advice to you "homies", it would be not to call women Bitches. Trust me, you'll get a much better response if you say something good...trust me.

Your stories about how your unlawful acts are so "hardcore" are not immasculating. They make you look like a doofus and will more than most likely screw you over later on in life. I've seen some thugs being talked to by cops and you know what, there was more finger pointing going on than a nude Superman sighting over Beijing.

Name:	The Real Scotty
To:	magpie

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Now, before you push me attempt to push me off my high horse thinking that I'm some overweight middle-aged fool I'll correct you. I'm 36, not fat, play rugby, have a good job, and have plenty of boy friends.

So in conclusion, do something about yourself because you look like a bunch of asses. I would defenestrate every single one of you if it took my whole life. I give my apologies to all those whom I've streotyped, you're just in the wrong group dudes.

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magpie

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I get mad when I see hippies selling parts of the rainforest. For 10 pounds you can own a section of the rainforest, a little bigger then your thumb, that you’ll never see, visit, or even be able to make sure that some farmer hasn’t clear-cutted it already. That way no-one can cut it down. Im gona buy one and when I save up enough cash, me and my chainsaw are taking a little vacation. only hippies like the rainforest And hippies suck. A tree should be hollowed out, one for each hippie, the hippie placed inside, and the tree should be sealed up with concrete. Then there’d be no-one to complain about the rainforest! And our world would finally be rid of that wasteful menace

Name:	The Juice
To:	magpie
Re:	Hillary o4

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get mad when I see hippies selling parts of the rainforest. For 10 pounds you can own a section of the rainforest, a little bigger then your thumb, that you’ll never see, visit, or even be able to make sure that some farmer hasn’t clear-cutted it already. That way no-one can cut it down. Im gona buy one and when I save up enough cash, me and my chainsaw are taking

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People who complain about how stupid others are and don't take the time and effort to at least make their complaints coherent. Hello! I am talking to half the people on this site. Ok, I like this site and those who have posted rants make some very good points. But,

if you are going to make a point, you had better be smarter than the idiot you are complaining about. Get your chair-shaped butts off the internet and back into grammar school, learn how to write effectively, and then come back and complain about idiots. There is nothing more annoying to me than a half-witted tyrade. "Um, like, I totaly hate those peeple who are always tellin me to not do stuff that i want to do and its so dum for peeple to like get in other peepls bizness and stuff. why don't every-1 just mind yer bizness and shut up."

See what I mean? Now, if you don't see what I mean by that example, then I am talking to you. I swear by my own head, if I hear another rightwing tyrade that has more "likes" and "you knows" in it then it has correctly spelled words, I am going to have a major allergic reaction to stupidity. It is not cute, it is not cool, it is stupid. P Diddy (or whatever he's calling himself these days) does not sound cool when he does it, and niether do you. And the real stink of it is that I had hoped as I that the rightwingers would eventually grow out of it, but they haven't. So, it seems that moron is now a condition in our society. What fun. Escape the cycle of stupidity while you still have a few brain cells left.

Name:

X

Message:
Living through the Next Gilbert Perreault- Whether you know it or not it is painfully obvious that when y'all come to me with stories about how your little Gilbert Perreault is a "natural goal scorer" or is a "playmaker" or is getting screwed by the coach that your sad cracker ass is living through your kid's youth hockey experience because your own life is so devoid of meaning. Not that you know this either, but for a black man a blade is something to avoid and ice is merely a consideration when having a Hennessy. Next time y'all go and get little Gilbert some new skates you might just as well pick'em up a guitar while you're at it, he's going to need it.

Although this list is certainly not a complete catalog of all of the reasons white people suck, it does, however, address certain overriding issues that make it possible to draw some general conclusions. So, to summarize: Y'all white people are a bunch of tractor riding, tone deaf, hyper-sensitive, Coke drinkin, flat ass lovin losers whose lives are devoid of meaning. Nevertheless, I'll continue to go round and round these points in my News columns and will continue to work for tolerance and understanding so all of us may succeed in living together in a peaceful profitable way despite y'all being a bunch of white hooded racist bastards who suck.

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Name:	Edmund Lundy
To:	Hillary for President

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We love you hillary and ready to sing songs of piece.

Name:

.

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http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/HomeAgain/Video-1018-01-0.html

Name:	Fools
To:	Smedley

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Its like racisim NO PURPOSE FOR IT so all of you s just shut the up !

Name:

jimmy

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Organized groups- I realize that everyone has the right to free speech and to voice their own opinions, but when you start bombing abortion clinics because you don't like what they do, then you are no better than they are.

Name:	Marry
To:	Hillary

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We are one of the only species on Earth that would kill for recreation. We think that we are the best just because we have scientific knowledge and .

We kill animals just so we can chop off their heads, stuff them, and display them in our living rooms. We kill animals for "scientific progress." That's all a load of BS. An animal's life is no less valuable than human's. We are blinded by greed. Most humans would do anything for bits of green cloth (money).

Most humans are incapable of searching for the truth. Those same ones believe whatever they are told. (Religion, fashion, etc.)

Most humans are so concieted. They think that humans are smart. They're wrong. So we can make tools. Big deal. It doesn't even matter if we can't use them right. Why the hell were guns created? So we can watch someone's head get blown off because two country's presidents don't like each other? A Load of BS.

Name:	Allen
To:	forum
Re:	what a site

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I work in the field of information technology. I have been using computers since I was 8 years old. Back in the early 90's, the internet was the domain of us geeks. Pretty much the only sites out there on the web were geeks' homepages.

Now, I used to dream about the day when the web would truly come into power. Presently, that day is upon us, and now I wish it wasn't.You see, while I love the fact that you can now accomplish almost anything online.

Name:	Mary
To:	downtrodden dems

In response to:
And what sort of moron, other than a Democrat, fails out of DIVINITY school? The Vanderbilt Divinity school (the one gore failed from) was a COMPLETE JOKE.

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What's the deal with everyone trying to bash Kerry and the Democrats? For most people, this is where their Kerry experience starts.I think the problem arises because kerry doesn't really feel the need to back himself up from all this him bashing.

Name:	Jimmy
To:	The Prisoner of Chillon

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Nobody wants you. Nobody. Nobody gives a damn what you do, either. So just keep on feeding your sick hate and pulling your wank, you sad, sick little pervert

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First off, I hate idiots. The bad thing is that there are just too many of them. First off you have the damn over nationalistic people who think that whatever their government does is right. Does you government burn babies and shoot women? "Gee, it must be right because my government is doing it." That is when I smack the heck out of those simple minded fools. Don't try to reason with them because they are too stupid. Just waste em.

Name:	Mary
To:	rightwing zealot

In response to:
Nobody wants you. Nobody. Nobody gives a damn what you do, either. So just keep on feeding your sick hate and pulling your wank, you sad, sick little pervert

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You are ignorant, arrogant, prick who wouldn't consider what anyone else thoughts for their life. I'm sick of your type always telling people what to do. I don't want to be a catagory so just back off you slime. I hate Republicans. They live in their own sick little twisted christain world that will never be, yet they force their veiws on people. Just waste em. I hate christains who try to push their god on us .

Name:	American Pie
To:	Communist

In response to:
You are ignorant, arrogant, prick who wouldn't consider what anyone else thoughts for their life. I'm sick of your type always telling people what to do. I don't want to be a catagory so just back off you slime. I hate Republicans. They live in their own sick little twisted christain world that will never be, yet they force their veiws on people. Just waste em. I hate christains who try to push their god on us .

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Oh yes, politically correct people, cultural revisionists, feel good self-esteemers, and special intrest groups who want to! force their ways on me can go f*** themselves. I am an individual and I want to stay that way. Remember, if there was no pearl harbor, there would be no atomic bombs droped, the founding fathers were white christians, and I am proud to be a white male. NO, I'm not racist, but you can't make me ashamed of my color or religion. If there is black pride month there should be a white pride month. Period. I don't care if anyone is offended because if they are, they are most likely the people on my idiot list.

Name:

mary

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the founding fathers were white christians, and I am proud to be a white male. N

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I hate gun people. They are ignorant idiots who know nothing about guns but promote them anyway at the publics risk.

Name:	mary
To:	taste it

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Name:

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Snoflake is mad because there are white people in the world. I must say, this is one of the dumber people on the forum. .

Name:	jimmy
To:	moron

In response to:
Kerry is a Socialist control-freak. He is a lot like you, like bird on a park bench that gets up and crawls around rubbing itself on everyone. He wants to stick his ugly nose into everyone's life and get his boney paws on everyone's income. To hell with him. I am an American. I don't want that creepy, psychotic bastard in my life.

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You Rightwingers are so pathetic. I mean, crying over someone who said something bad about your precious George Bush? Puhleez that's just showing you have nothing better to do with your life, and you have too much time on your hands. And some of your replies were just SOOO pathetic!

Name:	mary
To:	Idiot

In response to:
Kerry is a Socialist control-freak. He is a lot like you, like bird on a park bench that gets up and crawls around rubbing itself on everyone. He wants to stick his ugly nose into everyone's life and get his boney paws on everyone's income. To hell with him. I am an American. I don't want that creepy, psychotic bastard in my life.

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Why dont you keep your mouth shut! So just shut up with your replies about how mean someone is, cause it's their opinion, whether you like it or not! They can say what they want to, when they want to, thanks to the first amendment rights. So if you're goin to plan on replying to a message... at least make some sense in it. I had it and im out of it.

Name:	Scotty
To:	Just Magpie

In response to:
Kerry is a Socialist control-freak. He is a lot like you, like bird on a park bench that gets up and crawls around rubbing itself on everyone. He wants to stick his ugly nose into everyone's life and get his boney paws on everyone's income. To hell with him. I am an American. I don't want that creepy, psychotic bastard in my life.

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What are you doing saying things like that about john kerry, right ok his face is not nice anymore but theres no need to go showing off on the net saying shot like that about some one fuck you. I would love to see your face on the net and see what people have to say about you. Get a life mate and a better job up yours ass hole !

Name:	Forum Member
To:	magpie

Message:
You know, your website sucks. John Kerry is a nice man. Who the hell are you to write all those bad things about him. Leave the man alone, idiot rightwinger.

I already told John in person the last time I saw him, at the ski resort. I held a banner saying, "Burn All Tabloids", and I listed on a sheet of paper all the websites against him, and yours was one of them. John Kerry has your website address, and he is pissed off at you. I am dead serious.

Name:	Hillary Supporter
To:	Author of hate

In response to:
Kerry is a Socialist control-freak. He is a lot like you, like bird on a park bench that gets up and crawls around rubbing itself on everyone. He wants to stick his ugly nose into everyone's life and get his boney paws on everyone's income. To hell with him. I am an American. I don't want that creepy, psychotic bastard in my life.

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YOU JERK! Why do you care if John Kerry changed. For one thing he doesn't look bad. Great body for one thing (something you're probably jealous of) gorgeous eyes ect!!!! And he is not scary!!! What he did to himself is called art. Of course you don't understand what that is by the looks of it. He has the money to change himself. So what? Let him change himself. It's his life and not yours. YOu shouldn't care. Okay so he hangs out with a kennedy?

Name:	.
To:	Nazi

In response to:
Kerry is a Socialist control-freak. He is a lot like you, like bird on a park bench that gets up and crawls around rubbing itself on everyone. He wants to stick his ugly nose into everyone's life and get his boney paws on everyone's income.

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Excuse me dumb ass, get a clue! You need to keep your mouth shut about Senator John Kerry. He is the sweetest, coolest ,talented ,and most wonderful person in the world. And served in Vietnam you coward. Like you could do even half of what he's done. I agree with everyone who has dissed you. Go get a brain and leave John Kerry alone. I hope he sees your site and cuts you down to size . As far as him being scary looking he is the most beautiful person ever, you must be talking aboutyour own incredibly fucked up face . So if u can't say nothing nice then keep your mouth sealed shut!

Name:	Scotty
To:	magpie

In response to:
That old man is hideous, and he has the eyes of a madman

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WELL I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT YOU AFTER READING ALL THE BULL THAT YOU SAID ABOUT MR.KERRY.HOW COULD YOU BE SOO DAM CRUEL AND DISRESPECTABLE?

Name:	Sane
To:	Loonies

In response to:
Very bad editing

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Isn't that just precious!

Name:	Concerned Progressive
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	We must take back our democracy

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The CIA And African American Ops

UFO parallel time-lines

The whole Kennedy Thing (they had to get him out of the way)

How much did Hoffa know, and when did he know it?

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Yes it's just like today under Bush. 9-11 never happened. Once you understand this, it all comes into sharp focus. The WTC was an elaborate Hoax to manage the masses through sheer panic. "Windows on the World" was a real restaurant that actually existed in an old theater in the Bronx. They used the old Hollywood blue-screen tricks. Thefood was OK, but never were any windows. The WTC elevators went nowhere. Disney stuff, all of it. Like the movie rides at Disneyworlds.

There is a Reason why WTC access was below ground! The exteriors were paper-mache and chicken wire boxes loaded with tons of talcum powder. The whole thing was a thirty year hoax to destroy our democracy and get the oil for Hallibrton!

It started down in TEXAS, as anyone would expect, with LYNDON JOHNSON, the first JOHN BIRCH DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT !!!!!!!!! Check the timelines! WHO WAS IN THE CIA? WHOSE "CAREER" COINCIDED EXACTLY WITH THE "CONSTRUCTION" OF THE "WORLD TRADE CENTER"??? NOW DO YOU SEE????? It explains the UFO peaks, too. the Public had to be distracted. The '67 War was just another element in the bigger picture.

Name:	Delilah Cornbread
To:	Tableaux de Monde Socialiste

In response to:
POOF.

Message:
Very good. We have retained the witless trash and the Communist poster art. Very good indeed.

Name:	Jimmy Hoffa
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	The Rock Hydrax

In response to:
Best Cookie under the Sun?

Message:
You must come over and see my etchings sometime, Moi. A well-rounded person such as yourself, person of your intellectual depth and experience, would keenly appreciate them, I'm sure.

Name:

..

In response to:
You need to keep your mouth shut about Senator John Kerry. He is the sweetest, coolest ,talented ,and most wonderful person in the world. And served in vietnam you coward. Like you could do even half of what he's done. I agree with everyone who has dissed you , mother er ! Go get a brain and leave John Kerry alone. I hope he sees your site and cuts you down to size . As far as him being scary looking he is the most beautiful person ever, you must be talking aboutyour own incredibly ed up face . So if u can't say nothing nice then keep your mouth seale ...

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Anonymous AD HOMINEM and a prime example of a leftist wanting to take away the rights of others :)

Name:

Mr.D

Message:
Us Democrats need to get a grip if we are to win in 2004.

Name:	Mr. D
To:	Go Hillary

Message:
I support Senator Clinton in whatever she might do.Senator Clinton you're the best America has to offer......... T'

Name:	Bob
To:	Lord of Flies

In response to:
http://www.lolita-news.info/ls-land.html

Message:
What a big groovy Socialist web site. Check out how Hillary leeds the pack in pic #33. You really think that Sen.Tom Daschle owns that arabian horse?

Name:	Mercy Moi
To:	To the Gang: (even Jimmy Hoffa)
Re:	his etchings? (on his tombstone?)

In response to:
I would LOVE to see your etchings, you wicked devil. I am an ART lover from way back. Any good ones by Escher?

Did Jimmy Hoffa have a tombstone? Or was it ANOTHER GodFather that started Tombstone Pizza?

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Hi Gang: Thought i would stop by & see what's shaking and baking? I guess this Memorial Day slowed down traffic in here. The kids are outside in the pool, making a racket.

HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY. Hope everybody's Veterans are safe and well, & especially to ET, whose family is in Iraq.

Beautiful monument they built for the WWII veterans, most of whom are too rickety to go visit there but at least they can see it up close on TV. A gorgeous thing.

I hope a few of you (especially males who have been in combat near Iraq) got to read that long article about the use of depleted uranium. That was a scarey article. I have not gotten over some of the info in that article & I feel so bad for all the guys over in Iraq during Gulf War I & II. My own cousin was in Qatar. Hillary was over in that region for a few days, too. The dust itself is a killer.

Can anyone tell me what a Black Flag is? I mean is it a real flag of a nation, or a group? (I know what the bug spray is, but I am wondering about another useage).

Thanks for answering my question the other day about the movie Session 9. I have not yet managed to find it, but will keep on looking. I like a good psychological thriller. (My first stories ever written were mysteries, as a teen).

I think it is wonderful that our best troops over in Iraq have done humanitarian work, such as bldg schools and getting wheelchair for that little girl. But the pessimist in me says "How nice,", until an RPG blows up the kid and the wheelchair and the school. Because the POINT is, that we can't stop the violence, or cure the situation until we PULL OUT. The Iraqui culture HATES invaders & will fight to the death until they leave. Saddam told that to Dan Rather just 2-3 wks before Shock & Awe, He said the Iraqi people are proud & brave, & will fight to the death to preserve their homeland, against "invaders & occupiers". HOW more specific can you get? What words does Bush not understand, -- or the Chiefs of staff, for that matter?

Saddam said his people are not enemies of the American people, and only want peace, and they would do whatever is necessary to keep Peace among us, & we could negotiate and work out things in a civilized manner. Bush took that as a laughing matter, & decides to Bomb them all to death, or whatever was intended by the nuclear Shock & Awe attack.

So now here we are (OVER ONE YEAR & 2 mos) BEING AN INVADER AND OCCUPIER, which Saddam told us that the Iraqui people would not ever allow, but would fight until their dying breath. Does anyone but me, see how senseless this is? It does not any longer make sense. We go to build up bldgs for them to blow up? How many times must the US tax payer Pay to build those stupid bldgs, just so the people or al quaeda can blow them up again? We have serious things here that need taking care of. And MONEY. We are blowing our whole Treasury, supposed to be used to educate our own children, & keep safe our Social Security funds for all the old people who paid into it, their whole lives.

Now, our schools crumble, & we must let out convicted criminals OUT OF PRISON HERE, because we do not HAVE ENOUGH JAILS TO PUT THEM IN. So what are we doing? We are going to tear down a perfectly good prison in Iraq, (that survived all the bombs) and then spend millions more $$$ to build another (replacement) prison in Iraq.-- How crazy is that?

The only sensible, ethical, strategic & acceptable thing to do in the Iraq war is to GET OUT IMMEDIATELY. The Iraquis have shown they will kill anybody, (UN or ALLY OF USA) who tries to stay there. They just want to be left alone, & work out their own destiny -- as free, "liberated" people. So why the heck, we can't LET THEM DO IT?

Name:	StarFleet Journal
To:	Memo: to Captain Kirk
Re:	StarLog: 30 May, 2004

In response to:

To Go where no human being has ever gone, into the hyper-galactic cosmos, the universal void -- the abyss. The realm of black holes, quasars, & ever revolving planetoids in endless silent motion. As red dwarfs explode & new worlds collide, somewhere among the constellations, there is life.

Our Mission: To seek out that life, to determine if it is intelligent, is evolved into groups, & if it can speak.

Enterprise Intercom: Capt Kirk speaking. Yes, Spock we have found a new breed of intelligent life on Mercurius Latex Sigma One. Now we must activate our Omega software to estab ...

Message:

Beeps, whistle, static: A RADIO SIGNAL FROM THIS NEW CIVILIZATION !!

Bee-bopp-a-lula, she's my baby ---- Bee-bopp-a-lula, she's my girl ---- Bee-bopp-a-lula, she's the one for me.

Capt Kirk: No, i guess there is not much intelligent life down on that planet. But i will keep scanning.

BEEEEP, SCree-ee-eech !! t-t-t-t-t- (static) and THEN ANOTHER RADIO SIGNAL, from the new planet:

Wen I wuz a gull in butcher holler, tryed to find a man who had a doller, wuz in the barz all fulla booze, had a hard time tryin' to grab a snooze, since we wuz poor as hell in butcher holler. Nuthin' to lose, in butcher holler.

Capt Kirk; No, I guess not too much intelligent life down there yet. Certainly an un-evolved planet. Is there another signal Scotty, coming from that planet?

Scotty: Yes, Captain, there is one more low frequency signal, coming from that unpromising planet.

Bongo Bongo Bongo, I don't wanna leave the Congo - No no no, no sirree. Mam-mee, how I luv-ya, How I luv-ya, My dear old mammy, -- down beside that Swannee Shore. Kapuhh FFFFTTT -- Jabba the hut, Muhammed Allee, they's just white folks to me. >

Name:	Star Fleet Journal (cont'd)
To:	Memoirs of Capt Kirk --- stardate: 2099

In response to:
Scotty: Capt Kirk, I think i can get this signal in more clearly, -- wait a minute, please.

Message:

Spock (on intercom): Captain, any luck yet? I am afraid if we stay in this region much longer, the Klingons will find us. InterFederation Law prohibits this expedition.

Scotty: Here, I THINK I have got the signal in again.

t-t-t- (static) OOO-oo-OOOO-oo EEE-oo-t-t-t-t, ---- Jumbalaya, Tutti Fruitti, Watermelon EAtin cannibal, we's a gonna get them Crispy Crips, mutha-fukka-shit-bird HottDaddy, Que Gacho, hi-rollin Ho, nappy dugout, get some gone, geekie ghost, doin'that happy stick, Moola, blessed by a disciple, bent banger base freak, acid head, loco weed

--- Sa-a-ay Wha-a-at? Axe me again, you skanky ho, Boom-ta Boom-ta, BUM-to, BUM-ta, THTHTHT- (static) say, man, wuz you LOOKIN' at me? -- cuz I (vomit) don' wanna nobuddy lookin' at me, (pukes),Afro-Muhammed Ali, nation of Islam, from the "hood, scarey dude, ain't no prob bro', sig heil, white power, , Peace Now, Nuke 'em all, witch hunt, ever-lasting war, END IS NEAR, We Are the World, the ozone layer, Global warming, pedophile priests, bestiality in high places. 666, micro-chips, Shrek, findin' NEMO, --

Spock: Captain, have you heard enough? We MUST LEAVE this area immediately, before Klingon sensors find us, and we are forced to de-cloak. The shield force is weakening.

Capt Kirk: Oh, don't worry about it Spock. This was just an echo from sonar signals of the past, bouncing off a sonic reflector. Sound travels forever through space, until it reaches an absorber or a reflector. These were sounds being reflected from the extinct Planet Earth, shortly before it destroyed itself, in the early 21st century.

Capt Kirk: To my secretary, Mercy Moi, Please make a memo of this. The Federation should re-play this tape on every Memorial Day, in remembrance of that beautiful blue planet, that held such promise, -- so very long ago.

Name:	Conservative
To:	Liberals
Re:	A Message You Might Understand !!!

Message:
THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER OLD VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!

MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, "It's Not Easy Being Green."

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, "We shall overcome." Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Tom Daschle & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Peter Jennings that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share."

Finally, the EEOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act," retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients.

The ant loses the case.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Vote Republican

Name:

Garry M.

In response to:
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"Recently I was honored to be selected as an outstanding Famous celebrity in Texas, to be a judge at a chili cook-off, because no one else wanted to do it. Also the original person called in sick at the last moment, and I happened to be standing there at the judge's table asking directions to the beer wagon when the call came. I was assured by the other two judges (Native Texans) that the chili wouldn't be all that spicy, and besides they told me I could have free beer during the tasting, so I accepted. Here are the scorecards from the event:

Name:

Egis 1

Message:

Name:	Liberal
To:	Conservative

In response to:
THE REAL ANT AND GRASSHOPPER STORY:

Message:

In the real world, now, the workers are the ants, and they do all the digging, plowing, & manufacturing for the big corporate CEO's (the locusts). After the ants get done working 40 hrs a week, for a pittance, they are supposed to pay 25% of their meager pay in taxes, which then goes to support the federal govt. Which they don't mind.

Meanwhile, the locusts sit in their offices smoking big cigars & planning corporate lunches, flying in jets to some meeting, usually in Miami or someplace with a great climate & beautiful golf course. They get paid such huge salaries that they can buy up most 3rd world countries, & then get stock options & bonuses besides. CEO's are always in some big "conference" where they figure new ways to screw the workers, cheat the govt out of taxes, & get the most profit from the consumer, -- mainly by overpricing for the product and underpaying their employees. A few illegal stock buys and under-cover swindles, and then its time to shaft any of their employees still working, by out-sourcing their jobs to an even cheaper labor base overseas.

Now the locusts have made even BIGGER profits, by a lowered production cost, (pay 2 cents per hour to foreign workers) so they have yachts, private jets, several huge mansions all over the globe, a couple of Trump Towers, & a squadron of servants. They have a whole team of lawyers to guarantee they never pay a single penny of taxes, thru a variety of shifting "-holes", & cooking the books.

The ants, who by their sweat & labor, have created this whole system of wealth, have been paid minimum wages, and then after a lifetime of work, barely able to pay for their tiny shabby little house, their jobs and insurance & all benefits are taken away.

The crafty locust, by basing his new business offshore, pays NO taxes, or benefits, or pension funds to his loyal ex-employees. He basks on some seashore getting a suntan before his next luncheon, and thinks about his huge bank accts, scattered all over Switzerland & the Cayman Islands.

The locust has stripped every "green" (money) thing he can find. Looting the pension funds, the stock market, and ripping off the consumers. And cheating the govt out of his duly owed taxes. A virtual crook & criminal, he laughs to himself how clever he is. Not caring if his employees are poor, starving, or losing their homes, in the economic crisis he has created, with job out-sourcing.

THE MORAL of the STORY: Vote Democratic. Go Kerry.

Name:	Slimmerson 2M's
To:	Mr. 2 dots

In response to:
Excuse me dumb ass, get a clue! You need to keep your mouth shut about Senator John Kerry. He is the sweetest, coolest ,talented ,and most wonderful person in the world. And served in vietnam you coward. Like you could do even half of what he's done. I agree with everyone who has dissed you , mother er ! Go get a brain and leave John Kerry alone. I hope he sees your site and cuts you down to size . As far as him being scary looking he is the most beautiful person ever, you must be talking aboutyour own incredibly ed up face . So if u can't say nothing nice then keep your mouth seale ...

Message:
This is the sort of blind love hate talk that can sink America. You need to slow down and listen to what you are saying.

Mr. Kerry may be all you said about the "sweetest, coolest" and all that other tripe, however you might bear in mind that he attempts to be on both sides of ever issue. Sweetheart, this will not run a cou