Gore calls for resignations in Bush administration Former veep blasts 'utter incompetence'

Gore calls for resignations in Bush administration

Former veep blasts 'utter incompetence'

Wednesday, May 26, 2004 Posted: 5:50 PM EDT (2150 GMT)

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Vice President Al Gore speaks before an audience at New York University on Wednesday.

NEW YORK (CNN) --


Remarks by Al Gore
May 26, 2004
As Prepared

George W. Bush promised us a foreign policy with humility. Instead, he has brought us humiliation in the eyes of the world.

He promised to "restore honor and integrity to the White House." Instead, he has brought deep dishonor to our country and built a durable reputation as the most dishonest President since Richard Nixon.

Honor? He decided not to honor the Geneva Convention. Just as he would not honor the United Nations, international treaties, the opinions of our allies, the role of Congress and the courts, or what Jefferson described as "a decent respect for the opinion of mankind." He did not honor the advice, experience and judgment of our military leaders in designing his invasion of Iraq. And now he will not honor our fallen dead by attending any funerals or even by permitting photos of their flag-draped coffins.

How did we get from September 12th , 2001, when a leading French newspaper ran a giant headline with the words "We Are All Americans Now" and when we had the good will and empathy of all the world -- to the horror that we all felt in witnessing the pictures of torture in Abu Ghraib.

To begin with, from its earliest days in power, this administration sought to radically destroy the foreign policy consensus that had guided America since the end of World War II. The long successful strategy of containment was abandoned in favor of the new strategy of "preemption." And what they meant by preemption was not the inherent right of any nation to act preemptively against an imminent threat to its national security, but rather an exotic new approach that asserted a unique and unilateral U.S. right to ignore international law wherever it wished to do so and take military action against any nation, even in circumstances where there was no imminent threat. All that is required, in the view of Bush's team is the mere assertion of a possible, future threat - and the assertion need be made by only one person, the President.

More disturbing still was their frequent use of the word "dominance" to describe their strategic goal, because an American policy of dominance is as to the rest of the world as the ugly dominance of the helpless, naked Iraqi prisoners has been to the American people. Dominance is as dominance does.

Dominance is not really a strategic policy or political philosophy at all. It is a seductive illusion that tempts the powerful to satiate their hunger for more power still by striking a Faustian bargain. And as always happens - sooner or later - to those who shake hands with the devil, they find out too late that what they have given up in the bargain is their soul.

One of the clearest indications of the impending loss of intimacy with one's soul is the failure to recognize the existence of a soul in those over whom power is exercised, especially if the helpless come to be treated as animals, and degraded. We also know - and not just from De Sade and Freud - the psychological proximity between sexual depravity and other people's pain. It has been especially shocking and awful to see these paired evils perpetrated so crudely and cruelly in the name of America.

Those pictures of torture and sexual abuse came to us embedded in a wave of news about escalating casualties and growing chaos enveloping our entire policy in Iraq. But in order understand the failure of our overall policy, it is important to focus specifically on what happened in the Abu Ghraib prison, and ask whether or not those actions were representative of who we are as Americans? Obviously the quick answer is no, but unfortunately it's more complicated than that.

There is good and evil in every person. And what makes the United States special in the history of nations is our commitment to the rule of law and our carefully constructed system of checks and balances. Our natural distrust of concentrated power and our devotion to openness and democracy are what have lead us as a people to consistently choose good over evil in our collective aspirations more than the people any other nation.

Our founders were insightful students of human nature. They feared the abuse of power because they understood that every human being has not only "better angels" in his nature, but also an innate vulnerability to temptation - especially the temptation to abuse power over others.

Our founders understood full well that a system of checks and balances is needed in our constitution because every human being lives with an internal system of checks and balances that cannot be relied upon to produce virtue if they are allowed to attain an unhealthy degree of power over their fellow citizens.

Listen then to the balance of internal impulses described by specialist Charles Graner when confronted by one of his colleagues, Specialist Joseph M. Darby, who later became a courageous whistleblower. When Darby asked him to explain his actions documented in the photos, Graner replied: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the Corrections Officer says, 'I love to make a groan man piss on himself."

What happened at the prison, it is now clear, was not the result of random acts by "a few bad apples," it was the natural consequence of the Bush Administration policy that has dismantled those wise constraints and has made war on America's checks and balances.

The abuse of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib flowed directly from the abuse of the truth that characterized the Administration's march to war and the abuse of the trust that had been placed in President Bush by the American people in the aftermath of September 11th.

There was then, there is now and there would have been regardless of what Bush did, a threat of terrorism that we would have to deal with. But instead of making it better, he has made it infinitely worse. We are less safe because of his policies. He has created more anger and righteous indignation against us as Americans than any leader of our country in the 228 years of our existence as a nation -- because of his attitude of contempt for any person, institution or nation who disagrees with him.

He has exposed Americans abroad and Americans in every U.S. town and city to a greater danger of attack by terrorists because of his arrogance, willfulness, and bungling at stirring up hornet's nests that pose no threat whatsoever to us. And by then insulting the religion and culture and tradition of people in other countries. And by pursuing policies that have resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent men, women and children, all of it done in our name.

President Bush said in his speech Monday night that the war in Iraq is "the central front in the war on terror." It's not the central front in the war on terror, but it has unfortunately become the central recruiting office for terrorists. [ Cheney said, "This war may last the rest of our lives.] The unpleasant truth is that President Bush's utter incompetence has made the world a far more dangerous place and dramatically increased the threat of terrorism against the United States. Just yesterday, the International Institute of Strategic Studies reported that the Iraq conflict " has arguable focused the energies and resources of Al Qaeda and its followers while diluting those of the global counterterrorism coalition." The ISS said that in the wake of the war in Iraq Al Qaeda now has more than 18,000 potential terrorists scattered around the world and the war in Iraq is swelling its ranks.

The war plan was incompetent in its rejection of the advice from military professionals and the analysis of the intelligence was incompetent in its conclusion that our soldiers would be welcomed with garlands of flowers and cheering crowds. Thus we would not need to respect the so-called Powell doctrine of overwhelming force.

There was also in Rumsfeld's planning a failure to provide security for nuclear materials, and to prevent widespread lawlessness and looting.

Luckily, there was a high level of competence on the part of our soldiers even though they were denied the tools and the numbers they needed for their mission. What a disgrace that their families have to hold bake sales to buy discarded Kevlar vests to stuff into the floorboards of the Humvees! Bake sales for body armor.

And the worst still lies ahead. General Joseph Hoar, the former head of the Marine Corps, said "I believe we are absolutely on the brink of failure. We are looking into the abyss."

When a senior, respected military leader like Joe Hoar uses the word "abyss", then the rest of us damn well better listen. Here is what he means: more American soldiers dying, Iraq slipping into worse chaos and violence, no end in sight, with our influence and moral authority seriously damaged.

Retired Marine Corps General Anthony Zinni, who headed Central Command before becoming President Bush's personal emissary to the Middle East, said recently that our nation's current course is "headed over Niagara Falls."

The Commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, Army Major General Charles H. Swannack, Jr., asked by the Washington Post whether he believes the United States is losing the war in Iraq, replied, "I think strategically, we are." Army Colonel Paul Hughes, who directed strategic planning for the US occupation authority in Baghdad, compared what he sees in Iraq to the Vietnam War, in which he lost his brother: "I promised myself when I came on active duty that I would do everything in my power to prevent that ... from happening again. " Noting that Vietnam featured a pattern of winning battles while losing the war, Hughes added "unless we ensure that we have coherence in our policy, we will lose strategically."

The White House spokesman, Dan Bartlett was asked on live television about these scathing condemnations by Generals involved in the highest levels of Pentagon planning and he replied, "Well they're retired, and we take our advice from active duty officers."

But amazingly, even active duty military officers are speaking out against President Bush. For example, the Washington Post quoted an unnamed senior General at the Pentagon as saying, " the current OSD (Office of the Secretary of Defense) refused to listen or adhere to military advice." Rarely if ever in American history have uniformed commanders felt compelled to challenge their commander in chief in public.

The Post also quoted an unnamed general as saying, "Like a lot of senior Army guys I'm quite angry" with Rumsfeld and the rest of the Bush Administration. He listed two reasons. "I think they are going to break the Army," he said, adding that what really incites him is "I don't think they care."

In his upcoming book, Zinni blames the current catastrophe on the Bush team's incompetence early on. "In the lead-up to the Iraq war, and its later conduct," he writes, "I saw at a minimum, true dereliction, negligence and irresponsibility, at worst, lying, incompetence and corruption."

Zinni's book will join a growing library of volumes by former advisors to Bush -- including his principal advisor on terrorism, Richard Clarke; his principal economic policy advisor, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who was honored by Bush's father for his service in Iraq, and his former Domestic Adviser on faith-based organizations, John Dilulio, who said, "There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus. What you've got is everything, and I mean everything, run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."

Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki told Congress in February that the occupation could require "several hundred thousand troops." But because Rumsfeld and Bush did not want to hear disagreement with their view that Iraq could be invaded at a much lower cost, Shinseki was hushed and then forced out.

And as a direct result of this incompetent plan and inadequate troop strength, young soldiers were put in an untenable position. For example, young reservists assigned to the Iraqi prisons were called up without training or adequate supervision, and were instructed by their superiors to "break down" prisoners in order to prepare them for interrogation.

To make matters worse, they were placed in a confusing situation where the chain of command was criss-crossed between intelligence gathering and prison administration, and further confused by an unprecedented mixing of military and civilian contractor authority.

The soldiers who are accused of committing these atrocities are, of course, responsible for their own actions and if found guilty, must be severely and appropriately punished. But they are not the ones primarily responsible for the disgrace that has been brought upon the United States of America.

Private Lynndie England did not make the decision that the United States would not observe the Geneva Convention. Specialist Charles Graner was not the one who approved a policy of establishing an American Gulag of dark rooms with naked prisoners to be "stressed" and even - we must use the word - tortured - to force them to say things that legal procedures might not induce them to say.

These policies were designed and insisted upon by the Bush White House. Indeed, the President's own legal counsel advised him specifically on the subject. His secretary of defense and his assistants pushed these cruel departures from historic American standards over the objections of the uniformed military, just as the Judge Advocates General within the Defense Department were so upset and opposed that they took the unprecedented step of seeking help from a private lawyer in this city who specializes in human rights and said to him, "There is a calculated effort to create an atmosphere of legal ambiguity" where the mistreatment of prisoners is concerned."

Indeed, the secrecy of the program indicates an understanding that the regular military culture and mores would not support these activities and neither would the American public or the world community. Another implicit acknowledgement of violations of accepted standards of behavior is the process of farming out prisoners to countries less averse to torture and giving assignments to private contractors

President Bush set the tone for our attitude for suspects in his State of the Union address. He noted that more than 3,000 "suspected terrorists" had been arrested in many countries and then he added, "and many others have met a different fate. Let's put it this way: they are no longer a problem to the United States and our allies."

George Bush promised to change the tone in Washington. And indeed he did. As many as 37 prisoners may have been murdered while in captivity, though the numbers are difficult to rely upon because in many cases involving violent death, there were no autopsies.

How dare they blame their misdeeds on enlisted personnel from a Reserve unit in upstate New York. President Bush owes more than one apology. On the list of those he let down are the young soldiers who are themselves apparently culpable, but who were clearly put into a moral cesspool. The perpetrators as well as the victims were both placed in their relationship to one another by the policies of George W. Bush.

How dare the incompetent and willful members of this Bush/Cheney Administration humiliate our nation and our people in the eyes of the world and in the conscience of our own people. How dare they subject us to such dishonor and disgrace. How dare they drag the good name of the United States of America through the mud of Saddam Hussein's torture prison.

David Kay concluded his search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq with the famous verdict: "we were all wrong." And for many Americans, Kay's statement seemed to symbolize the awful collision between Reality and all of the false and fading impressions President Bush had ed in building support for his policy of going to war.

Now the White House has informed the American people that they were also "all wrong" about their decision to place their faith in Ahmed Chalabi, even though they have paid him 340,000 dollars per month. 33 million dollars (CHECK) and placed him adjacent to Laura Bush at the State of the Union address. Chalabi had been convicted of fraud and embezzling 70 million dollars in public funds from a Jordanian bank, and escaped prison by fleeing the country. But in spite of that record, he had become one of key advisors to the Bush Administration on planning and promoting the War against Iraq.

And they repeatedly cited him as an authority, perhaps even a future president of Iraq. Incredibly, they even ferried him and his private army into Baghdad in advance of anyone else, and allowed him to seize control over Saddam's secret papers.

Now they are telling the American people that he is a spy for Iran who has been duping the President of the United States for all these years.

One of the Generals in charge of this war policy went on a speaking tour in his spare time to declare before evangelical groups that the US is in a holy war as "Christian Nation battling Satan." This same General Boykin was the person who ordered the officer who was in charge of the detainees in Guantanamo Bay to extend his methods to Iraq detainees, prisoners. ... The testimony from the prisoners is that they were forced to curse their religion Bush used the word "crusade" early on in the war against Iraq, and then commentators pointed out that it was singularly inappropriate because of the history and sensitivity of the Muslim world and then a few weeks later he used it again.

"We are now being viewed as the modern Crusaders, as the modern colonial power in this part of the world," Zinni said.

What a terrible irony that our country, which was founded by refugees seeking religious freedom - coming to America to escape domineering leaders who tried to get them to renounce their religion - would now be responsible for this kind of abuse..

Ameen Saeed al-Sheikh told the Washington Post that he was tortured and ordered to denounce Islam and after his leg was broken one of his torturers started hitting it while ordering him to curse Islam and then, " they ordered me to thank Jesus that I'm alive." Others reported that they were forced to eat pork and drink alcohol.

In my religious tradition, I have been taught that "ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit... Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

The President convinced a majority of the country that Saddam Hussein was responsible for attacking us on September 11th. But in truth he had nothing whatsoever to do with it. The President convinced the country with a mixture of forged documents and blatantly false assertions that Saddam was in league with Al Qaeda, and that he was "indistinguishable" from Osama bin Laden.

He asked the nation , in his State of the Union address, to "imagine" how terrified we should be that Saddam was about to give nuclear weapons to terrorists and stated repeatedly that Iraq posed a grave and gathering threat to our nation. He planted the seeds of war, and harvested a whirlwind. And now, the "corrupt tree" of a war waged on false premises has brought us the "evil fruit" of Americans torturing and humiliating prisoners.

In my opinion, John Kerry is dealing with this unfolding tragedy in an impressive and extremely responsible way. Our nation's best interest lies in having a new president who can turn a new page, sweep clean with a new broom, and take office on January 20th of next year with the ability to make a fresh assessment of exactly what our nation's strategic position is as of the time the reigns of power are finally wrested from the group of incompetents that created this catastrophe.

Kerry should not tie his own hands by offering overly specific, detailed proposals concerning a situation that is rapidly changing and unfortunately, rapidly deteriorating, but should rather preserve his, and our country's, options, to retrieve our national honor as soon as this long national nightmare is over.

Eisenhower did not propose a five-point plan for changing America's approach to the Korean War when he was running for president in 1952.

When a business enterprise finds itself in deep trouble that is linked to the failed policies of the current CEO the board of directors and stockholders usually say to the failed CEO, "Thank you very much, but we're going to replace you now with a new CEO -- one less vested in a stubborn insistence on staying the course, even if that course is, in the words of General Zinni, "Headed over Niagara Falls."

One of the strengths of democracy is the ability of the people to regularly demand changes in leadership and to fire a failing leader and hire a new one with the promise of hopeful change. That is the real solution to America's quagmire in Iraq. But, I am keenly aware that we have seven months and twenty five days remaining in this president's current term of office and that represents a time of dangerous vulnerability for our country because of the demonstrated incompetence and recklessness of the current administration.

It is therefore essential that even as we focus on the fateful choice, the voters must make this November that we simultaneously search for ways to sharply reduce the extraordinary danger that we face with the current leadership team in place. It is for that reason that I am calling today for Republicans as well as Democrats to join me in asking for the immediate resignations of those immediately below George Bush and Cheney who are most responsible for creating the catastrophe that we are facing in Iraq.

We desperately need a national security team with at least minimal competence because the current team is making things worse with each passing day. They are endangering the lives of our soldiers, and sharply increasing the danger faced by American citizens everywhere in the world, including here at home. They are enraging hundreds of millions of people and embittering an entire generation of anti-Americans whose rage is already near the boiling point.

We simply cannot afford to further increase the risk to our country with more blunders by this team. Donald Rumsfeld, as the chief architect of the war plan, should resign today. His deputies Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and his intelligence chief Stephen Cambone should also resign. The nation is especially at risk every single day that Rumsfeld remains as Secretary of Defense.

Condoleeza Rice, who has badly mishandled the coordination of national security policy, should also resign immediately.

George Tenet should also resign. I want to offer a special word about George Tenet, because he is a personal friend and I know him to be a good and decent man. It is especially painful to call for his resignation, but I have regretfully concluded that it is extremely important that our country have new leadership at the CIA immediately.

As a nation, our greatest export has always been hope: hope that through the rule of law people can be free to pursue their dreams, that democracy can supplant repression and that justice, not power, will be the guiding force in society. Our moral authority in the world derived from the hope anchored in the rule of law. With this blatant failure of the rule of law from the very agents of our government, we face a great challenge in restoring our moral authority in the world and demonstrating our commitment to bringing a better life to our global neighbors.

During Ronald Reagan's Presidency, Secretary of Labor Ray Donovan was accused of corruption, but eventually, after a lot of publicity, the indictment was thrown out by the Judge. Donovan asked the question, "Where do I go to get my reputation back?" President Bush has now placed the United States of America in the same situation. Where do we go to get our good name back?

The answer is, we go where we always go when a dramatic change is needed. We go to the ballot box, and we make it clear to the rest of the world that what's been happening in America for the last four years, and what America has been doing in Iraq for the last two years, really is not who we are. We, as a people, at least the overwhelming majority of us, do not endorse the decision to dishonor the Geneva Convention and the Bill of Rights....

Make no mistake, the damage done at Abu Ghraib is not only to America's reputation and America's strategic interests, but also to America's spirit. It is also crucial for our nation to recognize - and to recognize quickly - that the damage our nation has suffered in the world is far, far more serious than President Bush's belated and tepid response would lead people to believe. Remember how shocked each of us, individually, was when we first saw those hideous images. The natural tendency was to first recoil from the images, and then to assume that they represented a strange and rare aberration that resulted from a few twisted minds or, as the Pentagon assured us, "a few bad apples."

But as today's shocking news reaffirms yet again, this was not rare. It was not an aberration. Today's New York Times reports that an Army survey of prisoner deaths and mistreatment in Iraq and Afghanisatan "show a widespread pattern of abuse involving more military units than previously known.'

Nor did these abuses spring from a few twisted minds at the lowest ranks of our military enlisted personnel. No, it came from twisted values and atrocious policies at the highest levels of our government. This was done in our name, by our leaders.

These horrors were the predictable consequence of policy choices that flowed directly from this administration's contempt for the rule of law. And the dominance they have been seeking is truly not simply unworthy of America - it is also an illusory goal in its own right.

Our world is unconquerable because the human spirit is unconquerable, and any national strategy based on pursuing the goal of domination is doomed to fail because it generates its own opposition, and in the process, creates enemies for the would-be dominator.

A policy based on domination of the rest of the world not only creates enemies for the United States and creates recruits for Al Qaeda, it also undermines the international cooperation that is essential to defeating the efforts of terrorists who wish harm and intimidate Americans.

Unilateralism, as we have painfully seen in Iraq, is its own reward. Going it alone may satisfy a political instinct but it is dangerous to our military, even without their Commander in Chief taunting terrorists to "bring it on."

Our troops are stretched thin and exhausted not only because Secretary Rumsfeld contemptuously dismissed the advice of military leaders on the size of the needed force - but also because President Bush's contempt for traditional allies and international opinion left us without a real coalition to share the military and financial burden of the war and the occupation. Our future is dependent upon increasing cooperation and interdependence in a world tied ever more closely together by technologies of communications and travel. The emergence of a truly global civilization has been accompanied by the recognition of truly global challenges that require global responses that, as often as not, can only be led by the United States - and only if the United States restores and maintains its moral authority to lead.

Make no mistake, it is precisely our moral authority that is our greatest source of strength, and it is precisely our moral authority that has been recklessly put at risk by the cheap calculations and mean compromises of conscience wagered with history by this willful president.

Listen to the way Israel's highest court dealt with a similar question when, in 1999, it was asked to balance due process rights against dire threats to the security of its people:

"This is the destiny of democracy, as not all means are acceptable to it, and not all practices employed by its enemies are open before it. Although a democracy must often fight with one hand tied behind its back, it nonetheless has the upper hand. Preserving the Rule of Law and recognition of an individual's liberty constitutes an important component in its understanding of security. At the end of the day they (add to) its strength."

The last and best description of America's meaning in the world is still the definitive formulation of Lincoln's annual message to Congress on December 1, 1862:

"The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise - with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country. Fellow citizens, we cannot escape history...the fiery trial through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the latest generation...We shall nobly save, or meanly lose the last best hope of earth...The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just - a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless."

It is now clear that their obscene abuses of the truth and their unforgivable abuse of the trust placed in them after 9/11 by the American people led directly to the abuses of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison and, we are now learning, in many other similar facilities constructed as part of Bush's Gulag, in which, according to the Red Cross, 70 to 90 percent of the victims are totally innocent of any wrongdoing.

The same dark spirit of domination has led them to - for the first time in American history - imprison American citizens with no charges, no right to see a lawyer, no right to notify their family, no right to know of what they are accused, and no right to gain access to any court to present an appeal of any sort. The Bush Admistration has even acquired the power to compel librarians to tell them what any American is reading, and to compel them to keep silent about the request - or else the librarians themselves can also be imprisoned.

They have launched an unprecedented assault on civil liberties, on the right of the courts to review their actions, on the right of the Congress to have information to how they are spending the public's money and the right of the news media to have information about the policies they are pursuing.

The same pattern characterizes virtually all of their policies. They resent any constraint as an insult to their will to dominate and exercise power. Their appetite for power is astonishing. It has led them to introduce a new level of viciousness in partisan politics. It is that viciousness that led them to attack as unpatriotic, Senator Max Cleland, who lost three limbs in combat during the Vietnam War.

The president episodically poses as a healer and "uniter". If he president really has any desire to play that role, then I call upon him to condemn Rush Limbaugh - perhaps his strongest political supporter - who said that the torture in Abu Ghraib was a "brilliant maneuver" and that the photos were "good old American pornography," and that the actions portrayed were simply those of "people having a good time and needing to blow off steam."

This new political viciousness by the President and his supporters is found not only on the campaign trail, but in the daily operations of our democracy. They have insisted that the leaders of their party in the Congress deny Democrats any meaningful role whatsoever in shaping legislation, debating the choices before us as a people, or even to attend the all-important conference committees that reconcile the differences between actions by the Senate and House of Representatives.

The same meanness of spirit shows up in domestic policies as well. Under the Patriot Act, Muslims, innocent of any crime, were picked up, often physically abused, and held incommunicado indefinitely. What happened in Abu Ghraib was difference not of kind, but of degree.

Differences of degree are important when the subject is torture. The apologists for what has happened do have points that should be heard and clearly understood. It is a fact that every culture and every politics sometimes expresses itself in cruelty. It is also undeniably true that other countries have and do torture more routinely, and far more brutally, than ours has. George Orwell once characterized life in Stalin's Russia as "a boot stamping on a human face forever." That was the ultimate culture of cruelty, so ingrained, so organic, so systematic that everyone in it lived in terror, even the terrorizers. And that was the nature and degree of state cruelty in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

We all know these things, and we need not reassure ourselves and should not congratulate ourselves that our society is less cruel than some others, although it is worth noting that there are many that are less cruel than ours. And this searing revelation at Abu Ghraib should lead us to examine more thoroughly the routine horrors in our domestic prison system.

But what we do now, in reaction to Abu Ghraib will determine a great deal about who we are at the beginning of the 21st century. It is important to note that just as the abuses of the prisoners flowed directly from the policies of the Bush White House, those policies flowed not only from the instincts of the president and his advisors, but found support in shifting attitudes on the part of some in our country in response to the outrage and fear generated by the attack of September 11th.

The president exploited and fanned those fears, but some otherwise sensible and levelheaded Americans fed them as well. I remember reading genteel-sounding essays asking publicly whether or not the prohibitions against torture were any longer relevant or desirable. The same grotesque misunderstanding of what is really involved was responsible for the tone in the memo from the president's legal advisor, Alberto Gonzalez, who wrote on January 25, 2002, that 9/11 "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions."

We have seen the pictures. We have learned the news. We cannot unlearn it; it is part of us. The important question now is, what will we do now about torture. Stop it? Yes, of course. But that means demanding all of the facts, not covering them up, as some now charge the administration is now doing. One of the whistleblowers at Abu Ghraib, Sergeant Samuel Provance, told ABC News a few days ago that he was being intimidated and punished for telling the truth. "There is definitely a coverup," Provance said. "I feel like I am being punished for being honest."

The abhorrent acts in the prison were a direct consequence of the culture of impunity encouraged, authorized and instituted by Bush and Rumsfeld in their statements that the Geneva Conventions did not apply. The apparent war crimes that took place were the logical, inevitable outcome of policies and statements from the administration.

To me, as glaring as the evidence of this in the pictures themselves was the revelation that it was established practice for prisoners to be moved around during ICRC visits so that they would not be available for visits. That, no one can claim, was the act of individuals. That was policy set from above with the direct intention to violate US values it was to be upholding. It was the kind of policy we see - and criticize in places like China and Cuba.

Moreover, the administration has also set up the men and women of our own armed forces for payback the next time they are held as prisoners. And for that, this administration should pay a very high price. One of the most tragic consequences of these official crimes is that it will be very hard for any of us as Americans - at least for a very long time - to effectively stand up for human rights elsewhere and criticize other governments, when our policies have resulted in our soldiers behaving so monstrously. This administration has shamed America and deeply damaged the cause of freedom and human rights everywhere, thus undermining the core message of America to the world.

President Bush offered a brief and half-hearted apology to the Arab world - but he should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions. He also owes an apology to the U.S. Army for cavalierly sending them into harm's way while ignoring the best advice of their commanders. Perhaps most importantly of all, he should apologize to all those men and women throughout our world who have held the ideal of the United States of America as a shining goal, to inspire their hopeful efforts to bring about justice under a rule of law in their own lands. Of course, the problem with all these legitimate requests is that a sincere apology requires an admission of error, a willingness to accept responsibility and to hold people accountable. And President Bush is not only unwilling to acknowledge error. He has thus far been unwilling to hold anyone in his administration accountable for the worst strategic and military miscalculations and mistakes in the history of the United States of America.

He is willing only to apologize for the alleged erratic behavior of a few low-ranking enlisted people, who he is scapegoating for his policy fiasco.

In December of 2000, even though I strongly disagreed with the decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to order a halt to the counting of legally cast ballots, I saw it as my duty to reaffirm my own strong belief that we are a nation of laws and not only accept the decision, but do what I could to prevent efforts to delegitimize George Bush as he took the oath of office as president.

I did not at that moment imagine that Bush would, in the presidency that ensued, demonstrate utter contempt for the rule of law and work at every turn to frustrate accountability...

So today, I want to speak on behalf of those Americans who feel that President Bush has betrayed our nation's trust, those who are horrified at what has been done in our name, and all those who want the rest of the world to know that we Americans see the abuses that occurred in the prisons of Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo and secret locations as yet undisclosed as completely out of keeping with the character and basic nature of the American people and at odds with the principles on which America stands.

I believe we have a duty to hold President Bush accountable - and I believe we will. As Lincoln said at our time of greatest trial, "We - even we here - hold the power, and bear the responsibility."

Now for the complete picture: Lest we forget.

"Al Gore served as Vice President of this country for eight years. During that time, Osama Bin Laden declared war on the United States five times and terrorists killed US citizens on at least four different occasions including the first bombing of the World Trade Center, the attacks on Khobar Towers, our embassies in East Africa, and the USS Cole."

"Al Gore's attacks on the President today demonstrate that he either does not understand the threat of global terror, or he has amnesia."




Name:   Draft Gore 04!
To:   Progressive Comrades

Re:   WE MUST RETURN TO THE FUTURE! BUSH HAS RUINED EVERYTHING!
In response to:
DRAFT GORE 04!

Message:
Draft GORE 04! The Clinton-Gore Era is only just begun!


Name:   G-Man
To:   Crackpot Al Gore

In response to:
Hey al, remeber these guys???

Message:


Name:   Disgusted
To:   Gore Peddlers

Re:   Clinton -Gore
In response to:
I did not at that moment imagine that Bush would, in the presidency that ensued, demonstrate utter contempt for the rule of law and work at every turn to frustrate accountability...

Message:
This is comical, considering its source.


Name:   The Dragon Empire
Message:

There's a saying, which goes something like this:
"When fighting dragons one must take care
 not to become one yourself."

 I first learned this saying in 1998 from Zippy the Wonder Slug.


Name:   If Hillary won't save us....
To:   Masses Yearning To Be Taxed And Placed Under Surveilance

Re:   Gore has studied at Hillary's feet!
In response to:
DRAFT GORE 04 (think big blue font)

Message:
DRAFT GORE O4! BRING IT ON!


Name:   ET
To:   Conservatives

In response to:
"When fighting dragons one must take care not to become one yourself."

Message:
You are just making it worse by mocking Gore.

Face the truth: We fought the dragons and became little dragons ourselves. Oh, not nearly as bad as the worst of the dragons, we just belong to the mild variety of dragon, but we entered through the gates of the dragon world and lost our moral authority.

I'm so sad about all this I just want to cry.


Name:   The Truth
To:   ET

Re:   Gaga over a pissant.
In response to:
Face the truth: We fought the dragons and became little dragons ourselves. Oh, not nearly as bad as the worst of the dragons, we just belong to the mild variety of dragon, but we entered through the gates of the dragon world and lost our moral authority.

Message:
Bullsh!t. Gore has conned you. Again.


Name:   Gore SUCKS.
To:   ET

Re:   Off the deep end, AGAIN.
In response to:
I'm so sad about all this I just want to cry.

Message:
If it will help you get control of your EMOTIONS, go ahead. Gore is a tinhorn hack, and worse. Don't let him manipulate you. He and Bill Clinton had their shot at running things, and they blew it. They blew the peace. They blew it BAD. Al Gore can kiss my as in hell.


Name:   ET
To:   The Truth

In response to:
Bullsh!t. Gore has conned you. Again.

Message:
Are you telling me that everything Gore wrote is a lie?

Could you point out the lies so that I'm not conned?


Name:   ET
To:   Gore SUCKS.

In response to:
If it will help you get control of your EMOTIONS, go ahead. Gore is a tinhorn hack, and worse. Don't let him manipulate you. He and Bill Clinton had their shot at running things, and they blew it. They blew the peace. They blew it BAD. Al Gore can kiss my as in hell.

Message:
The Clintons blew it? How did they blow it? I remember it being one of the best years of the last century.


Name:   Pepe'
To:   The Forum,

Re:   Who Told Their Country That It
In response to:
YOU'S COUNTRY NO SPEAK / READ NO GOOD; WHO SAID THAT YOU'S WAS FRIENDLY.

Message:
YOU'S COUNTRY HAS REPUBKLICANS ON A T.V.

WHO'S TOLD YOU IT WAS FRIENDLY.,p.YOU'S PRINT YOU'S BILL CLINTON / YOU'S WHAT IS THIS REPUBLICAN; ?

WHO TOLD YOU- YOU'S WHAT IS LIBERIA; WHERE'S YOU'S HAS ><< WITH CIVILIANS

WHO TOLD YOU'S THAT "We," WOULD LIVE NEAR YOU'S

O.K., let's equivocate: they's Country Bothers STUFF.

O.K., NO - PEOPLE LIVE HERE-

NO PEOPLE LIVE NEAR.

2000 MILES.

LET'S GET HELP FROM THIS UN-FREINDLY NATION NOW- :

HELP.

ARABS; GOOD ARABS - n' NICE STALINISTS; "we's, NEED >>HELP!,

"i, HAD TO LIVE NEAR THEY'S - WHAT NO-CAN-READ...GOOD.

O.K., my name is David H. Levesque : "In The Future , people will be smarter than computers..." I reside IN their UN'FRIENDLY COUNTRY . my street address is : 2350McBride Ln. Apt. #A20 SANTA ROSA , CA 95403.

WHO IS GOING TO LIVE- NEAR : 2000 miles.

YOU NO READ GOOD'- SO, -Bye,


Name:   Donkey
To:   ET

Re:   Al Gore, Kerry, Dean, Daschle, Kennedy, Pelosi, McDermutt, Etc.
Message:

Bring this man back!

He can help save your party from self destruction


Name:   The Truth
To:   ET

In response to:
I'm so sad about all this I just want to cry.

Message:
The whole thing is a low-road hit piece. But you'll buy it, at least until another bus explodes in Tel Aviv


Name:   Editor
Message:

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Name:   Please don't delete this post
To:   Forum Americans

Message:

It is the DUTY of every American to do their part in protecting THEIR country.  Look at these photos.  Read about the people in the photos. Stay .  Protect your country.

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PROTECTING AMERICA FROM TERRORIST ATTACKS
Please BOLO For Us

"BOLO"--that's BuSpeak for "Be On the Look Out."

On May 26, Director Mueller and Attorney General Ashcroft held a press conference to call renewed attention to 7 individuals we believe pose a real and present danger to U.S. interests around the world--perhaps most especially this summer and fall, a time of high profile public events that may well serve as a lightening rod to terrorist attacks.

Director Mueller spoke frankly about the heightened threat to U.S. interests during these months, and equally frankly about strong FBI efforts to prevent attacks. "This summer and fall our nation will celebrate a number of events that serve as powerful symbols of our free and democratic society." he said. "Unfortunately, the same events that fill most of us with hope and pride are seen by terrorists as prime vehicles for sowing fear and chaos."

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Links: War on Terrorism


Name:   ET
To:   The Truth

Re:   
In response to:
The whole thing is a low-road hit piece. But you'll buy it, at least until another bus explodes in Tel Aviv

Message:
That's why I'm sad. Another bus will explode, and another, and another...

There was that shining moment when I thought we could end all that, but we made deals with the devil and now we are disqualified from that honor.

As the saying goes: "When one fights with dragons one must take care not to become one yourself."


Name:   Editor
To:   Please don't delete this post

Message:
I did not mean to delete your post. You make a good point. It was an accident.


Name:   Please don't delete this post
To:   Editor

In response to:
I did not mean to delete your post. You make a good point. It was an accident.

Message:
Thank you


Name:   Fact
To:   ET

In response to:
There was that shining moment when I thought we could end all that, but we made deals with the devil and now we are disqualified from that honor.

Message:
There is no devil.


Name:   Amazed
To:   ET

Re:   "A Strong Queen & Supportive King" .... a sarcastic joke.
In response to:
Exactly what we need to save this country

Message:
I really think you've lost your marbles. Your Clinton cultism has even trumped your ridiculous attachment to "democracy". Gore is a bigger dope than Kerry.


Name:   ET
To:   Fact

In response to:
There is no devil.

Message:
That's just a saying. I'm referring to the devil within all of us. We keep it in check through laws, principles, morals, and upbringing in a civilized world.

We cannot brush aside the principles of democracy to win a war that we initiated.

We cannot brush aside morals and principles in order to win the hearts and minds of the people we liberated.


Name:   ET
To:   Amazed

In response to:
I really think you've lost your marbles. Your Clinton cultism has even trumped your ridiculous attachment to "democracy". Gore is a bigger dope than Kerry.

Message:
Ad hominem attacks don't impress me. Could you please take one paragraph out of Gore's article and provide with evidence of why it is about this paragraph that proves it was written by a "dope."


Name:   The Truth
To:   ET

Re:   War is messy and confusing. Too bad there isn't a better way.
In response to:
Are you telling me that everything Gore wrote is a lie?

Message:
Yep. Why don't you do yourself a favor and see if you can find out who wrote that "speech" or contributed to it. It's a campaign speech, and a damned ugly one. I believe that it is about the ugliest campaign speech ever. Who is it for? Gore himself? Hillary? Kerry?


Name:   Truthseeker
To:   ET

Re:   It IS a NEW DARK AGE... if you believe this malarkey
In response to:
A Strong Queen & Supportive King ...yada yada yada

Message:
This is beyond the pale...you have become a caricature of your former self....


Name:   A Zell Miller Fan
Message:
We cannot brush aside morals and principles in order to win the election of 2004 regardless of what Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton will say between now and November....


Name:   Hasta Lavista Mustafakkah!
In response to:
It is the DUTY of every American to do their part in protecting THEIR country. Look at these photos. Read about the people in the photos. Stay . Protect your country.

Message:
Hey! Where's the 80 y/o Swedish Grandmother in this "Rogues Gallery?"

Funny, the all look LIKE F*CKING MUSLIN CAMEL JOCKEYS!

('Cept for the one f*ckwad in the bottom row who grew up in all-inclusive-tolerant-America-is-always-wrong Marin county...)

Get with the program people...it us agains sub human islamic untermensch sh*t!

Lets get this EXCREMENT out of our country....start with the MOSQUE in or near your home town.

Make every round count, every shot a head-shot (you priced ammo lately? It's getting expensive and there's at least 2 billion muslims...)

A pleasant and peaceful evening to all.


Name:   The Truth
To:   ET

Re:   Gore has never done one positive thing in his entire public career.
In response to:
Ad hominem attacks don't impress me. Could you please take one paragraph out of Gore's article and provide with evidence of why it is about this paragraph that proves it was written by a "dope." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
You can do it better yourself. Take any paragraph in that screed and analyze it objectively against known and verifiable fact. It's nothing but acrid, hateful BS. It's nothing but an attack piece from a blowhard pissant. That's all Gore is, and that's all he ever has been. It's all he is capable of being. He is nearly 60 years old, and he is as grown up as he ever will be.


Name:   ....
Re:   It only counts against Republicans...
In response to:
One of the strengths of democracy is the ability of the people to regularly demand changes in leadership and to fire a failing leader and hire a new one with the promise of hopeful change.

Message:
Yeah but when Clinton LIED about "death camps" in Kosovo and men died for his incompetence in Somalia and the USS Cole bombing and the FIRST WTC bombing and the WACO fires was "SCREAMIN AL" leading the charge for regime change?


Name:   HAH!
To:   ET

Re:   Gore blowing poo
In response to:
Ad hominem attacks don't impress me

Message:
Unless they come form Al Gore Junior!


Name:   Chica
To:   ET

In response to:
We fought the dragons and became little dragons ourselves. Oh, not nearly as bad as the worst of the dragons, we just belong to the mild variety of dragon, but we entered through the gates of the dragon world and lost our moral authority.

I'm so sad about all this I just want to cry.

Message:
To the forum first, if you use html, please remember to close your parens.

In fighting terrorism and defending freedom, it's not a bad thing to be a 'dragon'. We have the right, we are right, and we have the might.

We DO have the moral authority to fight terrorism and bring some kind of democracy to Iraq, and hopefully, the Middle East.

If we had been more aggresive with Bin Laden after the first WTC attacks, we probably wouldn't be where we are today. In that vein, I am confident that we are thwarting further attacks on our homeland. We haven't had an attack here since 9-11 and I believe that a lot of that has to do with the fact that we're engaging the enemy on their turf - not ours. Be grateful to our troops that are fighting for freedom, protecting the US, and liberating the Iraqi people.

I'm so sad that you buy into all this negative propoganda. The corruption of a few does not represent our government or our country. And furthermore, the abuses at the prison are at no level the moral equivalent of Hussein's atrocities. ...Atrocities that the UN, France, Germany, and Russia willingly supported in order to benefit financially from Saddam! Turns the whole "blood for oil" arguement 180 degrees, eh?

You said that conservatives whine about the media bias, or something to that effect, a few forums ago. And yet, here you are, a victim of it.

Ya know, in the occasional times that I do visit the forum, I'm gonna start posting the positive messages I find online from our soldiers and other sources. There is good news out there, ET - you just won't find it in the major networks or print media. Anything to oust President Bush - even if it means the loss of US military or innocent Iraqi lives. The evil of the Berg beheading got -what- at most two days in the major media? And how long has the prison abuse scandal been printed? One to two weeks and still counting?

The media and democrats have not learned from the bashing of Clinton - hate politics doesn't work and it will backfire in this election, too. Remember that the failure of this country is what the Democrats are banking on.


Name:   Ayl JusKeep Postin
Message:
When fighting dragons it is important to remember...they find you quite tasty...and soft in the middle.


Name:   t
Message:


Name:   t
Message:
t


Name:   ET
To:   Chica

In response to:
I'm so sad that you buy into all this negative propoganda. The corruption of a few does not represent our government or our country. And furthermore, the abuses at the prison are at no level the moral equivalent of Hussein's atrocities. ...Atrocities that the UN, France, Germany, and Russia willingly supported in order to benefit financially from Saddam! Turns the whole "blood for oil" arguement 180 degrees, eh?

Message:
I'm not buying ALL the negative propaganda, but you can't tell me the ALL of it is lies?

I'm intelligent and well read. I scan publications around the world, on the right as well as the left. The Bush Administration has made a hell of a lot of mistakes in Iraq, just too many to keep making excuses for them.

I have a son-in-law in Iraq. It's one thing to go down fighting to protect the freedom of your country, but it's quite another to get blown to bits because of the Bush Administration's many mistakes.

I'm still hoping for a miracle, because a miracle is what it's going to take to get us out of this mess. But miracles do happen. This would not be the first war where we looked really bad and pulled out of it. But even if we do pull out of it, there are moral lines and democratic principles the Bush Administration brushed aside.

Nothing is worth winning if you lose your principles in the process.


Name:   ET
To:    Ayl JusKeep Postin

In response to:
When fighting dragons it is important to remember...they find you quite tasty...and soft in the middle.

Message:
When fighting dragons it is important to remember... that overwhelming force wins wars ....keeps the dragon from tasting your middle.

Rumsveld didn't listen to Powell.


Name:   ET
To:   techies

Message:
I have tried just about everything I know to make a margin on the left but there's something in the masthead coding that I can't stop? Frustrating...can't find what it is.


Name:   Pepe'
To:   S. Korea,

Re:   Mr. President John Quincy Adams
Message:
You'd all like Mr. President John Quincy Adams -- I looked him up recently. I have just a little outdated "Encarta 2000 encyclopedia.

John Adams I. was probably a running joke by : Mr. John Quincy Adams. He was probably reeal, SMART ( LIKE : Computers.) People probably wanted to know whether he was "RELATED. ?

John Quincy Adams "He, was probably >Smart; like The White House is >Smart. LIKE : Computers.

"i, think that my Yahoo.com news said something about Singapore bringing 'Gum back to The White House

That's like when it was Sooo, F*ckhing >FUNNY< and that Lady Hillary Brought 'Brocolli back>>>>to THE WHITE HOUSE!!

So, F*CKHING >FUNNY<.

They still can't figure out that even meager Presidents are People too; AND, that they have to live here too;.

I mean it is unbelievable - they actually believe that Presidents AREN't "people; or, that "we, are at odds with "GOD - or, that "GOD wasn't Mr. Washington; wherever that one IS.

and how are "we, The Meager Presidents; or, just People who live here -- How are "we, going to be Related. Doesn't make sense.

I guess They all just don't have their dialogues adequate // WHOEVER is really O'er there.

Hey, in Presidents, there is usually another one...Mr. George...WELL, instead of complaining - it's probably better not. Reather : I speculate whether ALL of Mr. Washington's LIFE including Militia/Military/Presidency etc... (He, probably had a long life.) is DONE. Perhaps HIS superior LIFE-TIME isn't all yet, done. ? who knows(?)

for most of The Presidents There Are running jokes...not a a plethora - The Jokes not on THEM; "i, think it began with Mr. Monroe. because..."He, may have found that there were "2!" LEFT!, "2." "II." "TWO." Baad' Guys, Left. "2." so, then The Joke began.

AND; believe it!, between Adams + Jefferson + Madison...it was like Another Country. NOT; WASHINGTON. but, Believe it : Theirs was NOT at all friendly to... ? A' Wide-Variety. Like, 'nother President. (ALWAYS ANOTHER ONE,)


Name:   Chica
To:   ET

In response to:
I'm not buying ALL the negative propaganda, but you can't tell me the ALL of it is lies?

I'm intelligent and well read. I scan publications around the world, on the right as well as the left. The Bush Administration has made a hell of a lot of mistakes in Iraq, just too many to keep making excuses for them.

I have a son-in-law in Iraq. It's one thing to go down fighting to protect the freedom of your country, but it's quite another to get blown to bits because of the Bush Administration's many mistakes.

I'm still hoping for a miracle, because a miracle is what it's going to ...

Message:
Hey. I didn't say that the propoganda was necessarily lies. What I did say is that the media focuses on the negatives.

I didn't mean to offend you. But focusing on the negative only IS misleading and not objective or truthful in context. In Bush's speech this week, he admitted mistakes. War is hell and we've certainly never fought an enemy like this. Regardless, mistakes by humans are inevitable - does that invalidate our right in fighting terror?

We (as a nation) had this type of discussion during the Cold War. Do you remember the party talking points from then? Kennedy was defending the Soviet communists then in the same way he blames America first now.

Yes, miracles do happen, I know. However, "getting out of this mess" implies that you take an isolationist point of view. After 9-11, this 'mess' has been thrust upon us. We now have an opportunity to actually make a positive difference.

I pray your son-in-law remains safe, as I do for all our troops. He is not fighting for Bush's mistakes, again, he's fighing for freedom and in the war against terrorism.

If you honestly believe that the UN -- who withdrew from Iraq after the embassy bombing, which took bribes from Saddam, which put Libya & Sudan on the Human Rights commission -- should be in charge of restoring Iraq, then by all means vote for Kerry. If you feel comfortable sending your son-in-law to serve under that UN umbrella, then vote for Kerry.

And, I also sincerely hope that your son-in-law does not encounter any non-existent WMDs like that sarin bomb we found this month.

Now please tell me what moral lines and democratic principles our President has brushed aside?


Name:   Pepe'
To:   The Forum,

Re:   Their Inteligence *
Message:
It actually believes that A' Pauper - and "i, am A' Pauper...(I've never had anything,)

They actually think that a pauper named David Howard Levesque is going to live in their Country...

You know; "i, did work a little in 88 - somthing; and i was just doing whatever was at hand.

BUT, i found that it wasn't Abel to do whatever was at hand -

AND; it was millenium night 2000- and, I did get to The Bible!

and then i found out -- whoevers Country "we, here in The United States of America is living >HERE; "i, take it that their Country is NOT Friendly. in anyway at all.

China, THEY probably do - undiplomatic Stuffs' ...BUT, "i, found that their Country ; The U.S.A., is completely in line with what is Undiplomatic OR, taboo. YOU would think that : say, putting A' Private person somewhere or something was taboo in Their Country ; The U.S.A.,, but, instead "We, find that they LIKE that stuff alot.

NOT a Friendly Country.

S. Korea; they probably do some weird stuff to -

so, in The United States, if You read The Bible You will get sick and die. IT is not a friendly Country. They don't even bother to keep The Borders and instead tell "Me, about all sorts of -Exclusive stuff.

"We've got it all figured out. Wherever "We, are living isn't friendly. It doesn't matter at all.

They believe that "i, factor into their stuff -No, not friendly.

it doesn't matter to "Me, at all.


Name:   Jake
Message:
Just a quick note to thank the people of Tennessee. I appreciate your wisdom in not voting for this sweathog even though he is one of yours. Hats off to you. You knew something at the time that the rest of us are learning now. He is a nutjob hack of the worst kind. Thanks again.


Name:   magpie
In response to:
Ad hominem attacks don't impress me. Could you please take one paragraph out of Gore's article and provide with evidence of why it is about this paragraph that proves it was written by a "dope."

Message:
Honor? He decided not to honor the Geneva Convention. Just as he would not honor the United Nations, international treaties, the opinions of our allies, the role of Congress and the courts, or what Jefferson described as "a decent respect for the opinion of mankind."

The dope doesn't seem to realize that terrorists are not represented by the Geneva convention. They were not signatories. That's the first one.


Name:   magpie
Re:   the dope
In response to:
Ad hominem attacks don't impress me. Could you please take one paragraph out of Gore's article and provide with evidence of why it is about this paragraph that proves it was written by a "dope."

Message:
It is now clear that their obscene abuses of the truth and their unforgivable abuse of the trust placed in them after 9/11 by the American people led directly to the abuses of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison and, we are now learning, in many other similar facilities constructed as part of Bush's Gulag, in which, according to the Red Cross, 70 to 90 percent of the victims are totally innocent of any wrongdoing.

the red cross has said no such thing. he's a dope.


Name:   magpie
Re:   the dope
In response to:
Ad hominem attacks don't impress me. Could you please take one paragraph out of Gore's article and provide with evidence of why it is about this paragraph that proves it was written by a "dope."

Message:
He has exposed Americans abroad and Americans in every U.S. town and city to a greater danger of attack by terrorists because of his arrogance, willfulness, and bungling at stirring up hornet's nests that pose no threat whatsoever to us.

If you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He's already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons. He poison-gassed his own people. He used poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors. This man has no compunction about killing lots and lots of people. (Al Gore, 1998)

he's a dope


Name:   Slimmerson 2M's
Message:
I will try again, I know the last was deleted "accidently".

What is the end game for you Liberals and socialist Hillary backers?

Seriously, what do you hope to achieve? You know as well as I that if we had not taken the fight to the terrorists their mutual feelings of hate that you seem to share would have allowed them to be here fighting and killing innocent people much like in Israel. Still you bash, hate, and throw stones.

Our economy is ramping up, Iraq is ramping down, world peace is closer than it has ever been, at least in the middle east. Yet you continue to side with the terrorists in an attempt to make us lighten up on them. As soon as this happens they will be here killing us at will.Is that your end game?


Name:   Slimmerson 2M's
Message:
Already the terrorists are planning a big one to hit before the election to show you they can do here what the did in Spain.

Whoever you choose to vote for in 2004 will have to remain strong on war, else we will be sitting ducks for an ever increasing number of terrorists that essentially have a lot of money and time and nothing else to do but hate us.

Yes we are going to be attack, and it will be big, but not as big as it will get later.

I sincerely hope that you Liberals, Democrats, and Socialist, remember who invited the next attack by showing that politics are more important to you than showing a united front against these trash of the world terrorists that kill, rape, and maim in the name of God.


Name:   Slimmerson 2M's
Message:
I don't want to sound like a radical, but the hate emitted by the terrorists seems very similar to the hate exuding from the left wing of our very own country. Nice, real nice


Name:   Bow Echo
To:   ET

Re:   Key word of the week: "BUNGLE"
In response to:
I'm intelligent and well read. I scan publications around the world, on the right as well as the left...

Message:
Yet you invariabley spout the latest shrill, desperate, election-year DNC crackpot line. You (sometimes) purport to support the effort in Iraq and elsewhere, yet you always pick up and amplify the latest negative crap that the Leftist spin machine manufactures, just as you have been doing for over a year now.

Gore (among many others of his ilk) is revolting. He is a shameful excuse for a leader, in these times or any times. Yet you hang on his every hateful, bellowed word.

There is significant positive news out of Iraq and elsewhere today, yet you choose to ignore that completely. Instead, you stuff your HRC Forum cannon with sticky vomit from Al Gore Junior (among others) and merrily fire away, directing your concentrated fire not at our common enemy, but directly at those who are doing their imperfect human best to protect and defend you and yours and your Israeli pets from those who have PROVEN that they mean to kill us one and all. At one and the same time, you very publicly give your real support to the very clowns whose actual malfeasance in office has put us into the position that we are in. Bush did NOT lose the peace. The Clinton-Gore team DID lose it.


Name:   Slimm
To:   Chica

In response to:
I'm intelligent and well read. I scan publications around the world, on the right as well as the left. The Bush Administration has made a hell of a lot of mistakes in Iraq, just too many to keep making excuses for them.

Message:
This is a standard comment made by you left wing terrorists. Do you suppose at some point you might start pointing out "all of these mistakes" made by the President. That way we could judge more readily the incompetence of those involved.

I get real tired of these generalized canned statements made by you left wingers that have little or no fact to them. Nice, real nice.


Name:   Jake
In response to:
I don't want to sound like a radical, but the hate emitted by the terrorists seems very similar to the hate exuding from the left wing of our very own country.

Message:
The dems may as well admit that they are liberals and part of Al Queda.


Name:   Slimm
Message:
If and when Hillary is elected President, this country will move neither backward nor forward as the 4 or 8 years she is in the white house she will be basking in her own glory and attemting to exalt herself much like Saddam.


Name:   Slimmerson 2M's
To:   ET

Message:
That is a lot to delete, sorry, but I would still like to give you a big hug and a kiss on the cheek, maybe work from there. Love ya Kid, have a beautiful day


Name:   Slimm
To:   Jake

Message:
You, my friend are exactly right


Name:   Slimm
To:   Bow Echo

Message:
very well put, don't forget the news media with their selective reporting and down right lies either.


Name:   Al Gore
To:   All

Message:
I like Chinese...


Name:   Smedley
To:   SET

Message:
You are just making it worse by mocking Gore.

Oh, Pleeeeeaaaazzzeeee! If anyone is BEGGING to be mocked it is Al Gore. Don't think that Gore in his little hate-fest with moveon.org is doing anything but trying to salvage his putrid political career.

Face the truth: We fought the dragons and became little dragons ourselves. Oh, not nearly as bad as the worst of the dragons....

Again: Oh, Pleeeeeaaaazzzeeee!

Personally, I'm not sure EXACTLY what you're talking about, but outside a few miscreant trying to keep control of ten thousand scumbags in an Iraqi prison, the US has acted with incredible restraint, honor and dignity. Since 9-11 we have stopped three countries from being terrorist safe havens and two more (Saudi and Pakistan) are making substantial turnarounds. It's now safer to be an American soldier in Badhdad than an al Queda puke anywhere.

I'm so sad about all this I just want to cry.

Get over it. This is war. Petend the terrorists are Republicans and you're still schilling shamelessly for Democrats and NAZI-esque organizations like moveon.org


Name:   Smedley
To:   magpie

Re:   Al Gore
In response to:
he's a dope

Message:
Fortunately, he's a dope who can't keep his own lies straight.

Unfortunately, the left in this country could give a rat's arse about the truth as long as there's anti-conservative hate-speech to be had.


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
To:   TCHF

In response to:
Ok you were lying...feel better now?

Message:
No, you were name-calling!


Name:   Smedley
To:   SET

In response to:
The Clintons blew it? How did they blow it? I remember it being one of the best years of the last century.

Message:
Bill and Al blew the peace by NOT DOING ANYTHING about terrorism even AFTER repeated attacks on US targets INCLUDING the 1993 WTC attack. In fact, during this time they Decimated US armed forces and intelligence services.

No, the clinton administration was too busy with DAMAGE CONTROL over their CONSTANT SCANDALS including those of sexual harassment, travelgate, cattlegate, disappearing files, illegAL CAMPAIGN $$$, RonBrownVinceWebHubbell ....

No, Bill Clinton was too busy diddling the interns, making ad hominem attacks against Republicans, renting the Lincoln bedroom, throwing $10,000 coffee breaks, fighting welfare reform, breaking campaign promises and staging ridiculously cheezy and obviously phoney photo ops.


Name:   Way of the Crossroads
To:   forum

Re:   We find inane things to spend money on-raise taxes
In response to:
Reminds me of old "Bought myself a wardrob that's where my money goes

My room mate walks on campus in all the latest clothes!---College life

Except it's so immigrants can communicate when they commit crimes,etc. Enabling , that's it! Just have them bring their own interpreter, dang it! We can't be paying Elbonians $20 an hour for chatter! This is America, the great melting pot. Pretend it's NYC circa 1900 when it comes to polylinguistics!

Message:
# The Virginia Supreme Court has certification programs for Spanish court interpreters and is considering certification programs in Vietnamese and Korean. In 2002, 36,625 people were served by language interpreters in Virginia criminal cases, at a cost of 2.7 million to taxpayers. These numbers have almost doubled since 2000 and are expected to keep rising. AP, Courts respond to rise of Virginia’s Spanish-speaking population, July 6, 2003 # Washington D.C. city financial officials estimate that a proposed “Language Access Bill” would cost $7.74 million to implement. The bill would require almost all city agencies to hire translators and translate official documents for any language spoken by over 500 non-English language proficient people in the city. Sylvia Moreno, Advocates for Immigrants Endorse D.C. Language Bill, Washington Post, April 9, 2003 # 21.3 million Americans are classified as “limited English proficient,” a 52 percent increase from 1990, and more than double the 1980 total. Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2000, 1990, 1980 ******We can't be paying Elbonians $20 an hour for chatter! This is America, the great melting pot. Pretend it's NYC circa 1900 when it comes to polylinguistics!#


Name:   Flop Sweat
To:   Communism PAC.org

Re:   that big towel al gore had to use
In response to:
"...No controlling legal authority...”

Message:
He should have used a friggin squeegee to wipe off that flop sweat instead of the towel


Name:   magpie
In response to:
He should have used a friggin squeegee to wipe off that flop sweat instead of the towel

Message:
that doofus preaches to us about balancing the whole freakin earth but he can't balance his own sweat glands. he's a dope.

I like having ol al bore around though. he reminds me every day how hsyterical the dems have become.


Name:   6006 words!
To:   in that MoveOn.org speech

Message:
this man is actually insane...


Name:   Change the tone
To:   Ha

In response to:
you want to rewind to this?

Message:
New Page 1

             

          The man who represented America for 8 years.

         

Slick Willie and the Glob   Her Majesty, Hillary RODHAM Clinton      

     

Need I say more, although the guy can play!           Barbra Bull*&$% Streisand            

 

  Sir Chappaquid   Lanny Davis, Clinton Brown-Nose                            Quanell X 

        

               The Revvvruuund Jessie "Rent a Riot" Jackson                         Al Sharpton

 

 Julian Epstein, Liberal Analyst     Denise Rich, Clinton Fundraiser, Gift buyer, Sex partner, etc.                      

                     

Ellen Ratner, Whiny Liberal               Sore Loserman                Cher, the biggest in town

                      

Congressman Anthony Weiner  Sen.Tom Daschle, Obstructionist   House Minority Leader Gephardt 

             

          Peter Deutsch   Leo Terrell, Civil Rights Attorney             Patricia Ireland -NOW                        

                      

 Beth Dozoretz, Clinton Fundraiser who Took the 5th     Clinton Shark James Carville

   

           Vote Manufacturer Bill Daley      Congressman Gary Condidit

                   

Roger Clinton, Party Animal & Bill's Bro   Janet El Reno       Rep. Henry "Nostrilitus" Waxman (D)        

         

Clinton Brown-Nose Paul Begala                     Sheila Jackson Lee, the biggest limousine liberal in town

     

                    Maxine Waters,  liberal congresswoman from California


Name:   Slimm
Message:
So I knew I would get no answer to what the Liberal end game is however, you should remember one thing,

"ignorance does not erase the results of your actions"

Do you need that spelled out for you?


Name:   Dakota Voter
To:   forum members

Re:   2004 election
In response to:
loud mouths that are suddenly quiet.............

Message:

Where is Tom Daschle?

Isn't he up for re-election this year?

Is he hiding out in a Starbucks somewhere with his laptop?

Does anybody have any answers to these very important questions???

 


Name:   The Noble Donkey
To:   ET

Message:

I am deeply saddened by the actions of my keepers

What happened to the John F. Kennedy Democrats

I grew up supporting?  I think I may retire along with Zell Miller

before this bunch takes me down with them to the bottom of the gutter


Name:   Paperjam
To:   Individual

In response to:
Just Who was it that let Bin Laden's Family flee America????? CLARK!!!

Message:
Former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke says he is solely responsible for allowing members of Osama bin Laden's family to flee the United States immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.


Richard Clarke

"I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again," Clarke told The Hill newspaper yesterday.

The Hill said a political controversy has been brewing over who approved the six controversial flights that carried 140 Saudi citizens.

At the time the members of the Saudi elite were allowed to leave, the Bush administration was preparing to detain Muslims in the U.S. as material witnesses to the attacks.

Democrat leaders, including Sen. Barbara Boxer of California, had been pressing members of the 9-11 Commission to find out, "Who authorized the flight[s] and why?"

A Democrat who attended a May 6 closed-d