Gore calls for resignations in Bush administrationFormer veep blasts 'utter incompetence'
Wednesday, May 26, 2004 Posted: 5:50 PM EDT (2150 GMT)
NEW YORK (CNN) --
George W. Bush promised us a foreign policy with humility. Instead, he has
brought us humiliation in the eyes of the world.
He promised to "restore honor and integrity to the White House."
Instead, he has brought deep dishonor to our country and built a durable
reputation as the most dishonest President since Richard Nixon.
Honor? He decided not to honor the Geneva Convention. Just as he would not
honor the United Nations, international treaties, the opinions of our allies,
the role of Congress and the courts, or what Jefferson described as "a
decent respect for the opinion of mankind." He did not honor the advice,
experience and judgment of our military leaders in designing his invasion of
Iraq. And now he will not honor our fallen dead by attending any funerals or
even by permitting photos of their flag-draped coffins.
How did we get from September 12th , 2001, when a leading French newspaper
ran a giant headline with the words "We Are All Americans Now" and
when we had the good will and empathy of all the world -- to the horror that
we all felt in witnessing the pictures of torture in Abu Ghraib.
To begin with, from its earliest days in power, this administration sought
to radically destroy the foreign policy consensus that had guided America
since the end of World War II. The long successful strategy of containment was
abandoned in favor of the new strategy of "preemption." And what
they meant by preemption was not the inherent right of any nation to act
preemptively against an imminent threat to its national security, but rather
an exotic new approach that asserted a unique and unilateral U.S. right to
ignore international law wherever it wished to do so and take military action
against any nation, even in circumstances where there was no imminent threat.
All that is required, in the view of Bush's team is the mere assertion of a
possible, future threat - and the assertion need be made by only one person,
the President.
More disturbing still was their frequent use of the word
"dominance" to describe their strategic goal, because an American
policy of dominance is as to the rest of the world as the ugly
dominance of the helpless, naked Iraqi prisoners has been to the American
people. Dominance is as dominance does.
Dominance is not really a strategic policy or political philosophy at all.
It is a seductive illusion that tempts the powerful to satiate their hunger
for more power still by striking a Faustian bargain. And as always happens -
sooner or later - to those who shake hands with the devil, they find out too
late that what they have given up in the bargain is their soul.
One of the clearest indications of the impending loss of intimacy with
one's soul is the failure to recognize the existence of a soul in those over
whom power is exercised, especially if the helpless come to be treated as
animals, and degraded. We also know - and not just from De Sade and Freud -
the psychological proximity between sexual depravity and other people's pain.
It has been especially shocking and awful to see these paired evils
perpetrated so crudely and cruelly in the name of America.
Those pictures of torture and sexual abuse came to us embedded in a wave of
news about escalating casualties and growing chaos enveloping our entire
policy in Iraq. But in order understand the failure of our overall policy, it
is important to focus specifically on what happened in the Abu Ghraib prison,
and ask whether or not those actions were representative of who we are as
Americans? Obviously the quick answer is no, but unfortunately it's more
complicated than that.
There is good and evil in every person. And what makes the United States
special in the history of nations is our commitment to the rule of law and our
carefully constructed system of checks and balances. Our natural distrust of
concentrated power and our devotion to openness and democracy are what have
lead us as a people to consistently choose good over evil in our collective
aspirations more than the people any other nation.
Our founders were insightful students of human nature. They feared the
abuse of power because they understood that every human being has not only
"better angels" in his nature, but also an innate vulnerability to
temptation - especially the temptation to abuse power over others.
Our founders understood full well that a system of checks and balances is
needed in our constitution because every human being lives with an internal
system of checks and balances that cannot be relied upon to produce virtue if
they are allowed to attain an unhealthy degree of power over their fellow
citizens.
Listen then to the balance of internal impulses described by specialist
Charles Graner when confronted by one of his colleagues, Specialist Joseph M.
Darby, who later became a courageous whistleblower. When Darby asked him to
explain his actions documented in the photos, Graner replied: "The
Christian in me says it's wrong, but the Corrections Officer says, 'I love to
make a groan man piss on himself."
What happened at the prison, it is now clear, was not the result of random
acts by "a few bad apples," it was the natural consequence of the
Bush Administration policy that has dismantled those wise constraints and has
made war on America's checks and balances.
The abuse of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib flowed directly from the abuse of
the truth that characterized the Administration's march to war and the abuse
of the trust that had been placed in President Bush by the American people in
the aftermath of September 11th.
There was then, there is now and there would have been regardless of what
Bush did, a threat of terrorism that we would have to deal with. But instead
of making it better, he has made it infinitely worse. We are less safe because
of his policies. He has created more anger and righteous indignation against
us as Americans than any leader of our country in the 228 years of our
existence as a nation -- because of his attitude of contempt for any person,
institution or nation who disagrees with him.
He has exposed Americans abroad and Americans in every U.S. town and city
to a greater danger of attack by terrorists because of his arrogance,
willfulness, and bungling at stirring up hornet's nests that pose no threat
whatsoever to us. And by then insulting the religion and culture and tradition
of people in other countries. And by pursuing policies that have resulted in
the deaths of thousands of innocent men, women and children, all of it done in
our name.
President Bush said in his speech Monday night that the war in Iraq is
"the central front in the war on terror." It's not the central front
in the war on terror, but it has unfortunately become the central recruiting
office for terrorists. [ Cheney said, "This war may last the rest of
our lives.] The unpleasant truth is that President Bush's utter incompetence
has made the world a far more dangerous place and dramatically increased the
threat of terrorism against the United States. Just yesterday, the
International Institute of Strategic Studies reported that the Iraq conflict
" has arguable focused the energies and resources of Al Qaeda and its
followers while diluting those of the global counterterrorism coalition."
The ISS said that in the wake of the war in Iraq Al Qaeda now has more than
18,000 potential terrorists scattered around the world and the war in Iraq is
swelling its ranks.
The war plan was incompetent in its rejection of the advice from military
professionals and the analysis of the intelligence was incompetent in its
conclusion that our soldiers would be welcomed with garlands of flowers and
cheering crowds. Thus we would not need to respect the so-called Powell
doctrine of overwhelming force.
There was also in Rumsfeld's planning a failure to provide security for
nuclear materials, and to prevent widespread lawlessness and looting.
Luckily, there was a high level of competence on the part of our soldiers
even though they were denied the tools and the numbers they needed for their
mission. What a disgrace that their families have to hold bake sales to buy
discarded Kevlar vests to stuff into the floorboards of the Humvees! Bake
sales for body armor.
And the worst still lies ahead. General Joseph Hoar, the former head of the
Marine Corps, said "I believe we are absolutely on the brink of failure.
We are looking into the abyss."
When a senior, respected military leader like Joe Hoar uses the word
"abyss", then the rest of us damn well better listen. Here is what
he means: more American soldiers dying, Iraq slipping into worse chaos and
violence, no end in sight, with our influence and moral authority seriously
damaged.
Retired Marine Corps General Anthony Zinni, who headed Central Command
before becoming President Bush's personal emissary to the Middle East, said
recently that our nation's current course is "headed over Niagara
Falls."
The Commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, Army Major General Charles H.
Swannack, Jr., asked by the Washington Post whether he believes the United
States is losing the war in Iraq, replied, "I think strategically, we
are." Army Colonel Paul Hughes, who directed strategic planning for the
US occupation authority in Baghdad, compared what he sees in Iraq to the
Vietnam War, in which he lost his brother: "I promised myself when I came
on active duty that I would do everything in my power to prevent that ... from
happening again. " Noting that Vietnam featured a pattern of winning
battles while losing the war, Hughes added "unless we ensure that we have
coherence in our policy, we will lose strategically."
The White House spokesman, Dan Bartlett was asked on live television about
these scathing condemnations by Generals involved in the highest levels of
Pentagon planning and he replied, "Well they're retired, and we take our
advice from active duty officers."
But amazingly, even active duty military officers are speaking out against
President Bush. For example, the Washington Post quoted an unnamed senior
General at the Pentagon as saying, " the current OSD (Office of the
Secretary of Defense) refused to listen or adhere to military advice."
Rarely if ever in American history have uniformed commanders felt compelled to
challenge their commander in chief in public.
The Post also quoted an unnamed general as saying, "Like a lot of
senior Army guys I'm quite angry" with Rumsfeld and the rest of the Bush
Administration. He listed two reasons. "I think they are going to break
the Army," he said, adding that what really incites him is "I don't
think they care."
In his upcoming book, Zinni blames the current catastrophe on the Bush
team's incompetence early on. "In the lead-up to the Iraq war, and its
later conduct," he writes, "I saw at a minimum, true dereliction,
negligence and irresponsibility, at worst, lying, incompetence and
corruption."
Zinni's book will join a growing library of volumes by former advisors to
Bush -- including his principal advisor on terrorism, Richard Clarke; his
principal economic policy advisor, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill,
former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who was honored by Bush's father for his service
in Iraq, and his former Domestic Adviser on faith-based organizations, John
Dilulio, who said, "There is no precedent in any modern White House for
what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus. What
you've got is everything, and I mean everything, run by the political arm.
It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."
Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki told Congress in February that
the occupation could require "several hundred thousand troops." But
because Rumsfeld and Bush did not want to hear disagreement with their view
that Iraq could be invaded at a much lower cost, Shinseki was hushed and then
forced out.
And as a direct result of this incompetent plan and inadequate troop
strength, young soldiers were put in an untenable position. For example, young
reservists assigned to the Iraqi prisons were called up without training or
adequate supervision, and were instructed by their superiors to "break
down" prisoners in order to prepare them for interrogation.
To make matters worse, they were placed in a confusing situation where the
chain of command was criss-crossed between intelligence gathering and prison
administration, and further confused by an unprecedented mixing of military
and civilian contractor authority.
The soldiers who are accused of committing these atrocities are, of course,
responsible for their own actions and if found guilty, must be severely and
appropriately punished. But they are not the ones primarily responsible for
the disgrace that has been brought upon the United States of America.
Private Lynndie England did not make the decision that the United States
would not observe the Geneva Convention. Specialist Charles Graner was not the
one who approved a policy of establishing an American Gulag of dark rooms with
naked prisoners to be "stressed" and even - we must use the word -
tortured - to force them to say things that legal procedures might not induce
them to say.
These policies were designed and insisted upon by the Bush White House.
Indeed, the President's own legal counsel advised him specifically on the
subject. His secretary of defense and his assistants pushed these cruel
departures from historic American standards over the objections of the
uniformed military, just as the Judge Advocates General within the Defense
Department were so upset and opposed that they took the unprecedented step of
seeking help from a private lawyer in this city who specializes in human
rights and said to him, "There is a calculated effort to create an
atmosphere of legal ambiguity" where the mistreatment of prisoners is
concerned."
Indeed, the secrecy of the program indicates an understanding that the
regular military culture and mores would not support these activities and
neither would the American public or the world community. Another implicit
acknowledgement of violations of accepted standards of behavior is the process
of farming out prisoners to countries less averse to torture and giving
assignments to private contractors
President Bush set the tone for our attitude for suspects in his State of
the Union address. He noted that more than 3,000 "suspected
terrorists" had been arrested in many countries and then he added,
"and many others have met a different fate. Let's put it this way: they
are no longer a problem to the United States and our allies."
George Bush promised to change the tone in Washington. And indeed he did.
As many as 37 prisoners may have been murdered while in captivity, though the
numbers are difficult to rely upon because in many cases involving violent
death, there were no autopsies.
How dare they blame their misdeeds on enlisted personnel from a Reserve
unit in upstate New York. President Bush owes more than one apology. On the
list of those he let down are the young soldiers who are themselves apparently
culpable, but who were clearly put into a moral cesspool. The perpetrators as
well as the victims were both placed in their relationship to one another by
the policies of George W. Bush.
How dare the incompetent and willful members of this Bush/Cheney
Administration humiliate our nation and our people in the eyes of the world
and in the conscience of our own people. How dare they subject us to such
dishonor and disgrace. How dare they drag the good name of the United States
of America through the mud of Saddam Hussein's torture prison.
David Kay concluded his search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq with
the famous verdict: "we were all wrong." And for many Americans,
Kay's statement seemed to symbolize the awful collision between Reality and
all of the false and fading impressions President Bush had ed in
building support for his policy of going to war.
Now the White House has informed the American people that they were also
"all wrong" about their decision to place their faith in Ahmed
Chalabi, even though they have paid him 340,000 dollars per month. 33 million
dollars (CHECK) and placed him adjacent to Laura Bush at the State of the
Union address. Chalabi had been convicted of fraud and embezzling 70 million
dollars in public funds from a Jordanian bank, and escaped prison by fleeing
the country. But in spite of that record, he had become one of key advisors to
the Bush Administration on planning and promoting the War against Iraq.
And they repeatedly cited him as an authority, perhaps even a future
president of Iraq. Incredibly, they even ferried him and his private army into
Baghdad in advance of anyone else, and allowed him to seize control over
Saddam's secret papers.
Now they are telling the American people that he is a spy for Iran who has
been duping the President of the United States for all these years.
One of the Generals in charge of this war policy went on a speaking tour in
his spare time to declare before evangelical groups that the US is in a holy
war as "Christian Nation battling Satan." This same General Boykin
was the person who ordered the officer who was in charge of the detainees in
Guantanamo Bay to extend his methods to Iraq detainees, prisoners. ... The
testimony from the prisoners is that they were forced to curse their religion
Bush used the word "crusade" early on in the war against Iraq, and
then commentators pointed out that it was singularly inappropriate because of
the history and sensitivity of the Muslim world and then a few weeks later he
used it again.
"We are now being viewed as the modern Crusaders, as the modern
colonial power in this part of the world," Zinni said.
What a terrible irony that our country, which was founded by refugees
seeking religious freedom - coming to America to escape domineering leaders
who tried to get them to renounce their religion - would now be responsible
for this kind of abuse..
Ameen Saeed al-Sheikh told the Washington Post that he was tortured and
ordered to denounce Islam and after his leg was broken one of his torturers
started hitting it while ordering him to curse Islam and then, " they
ordered me to thank Jesus that I'm alive." Others reported that they were
forced to eat pork and drink alcohol.
In my religious tradition, I have been taught that "ye shall know them
by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so,
every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth
evil fruit... Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
The President convinced a majority of the country that Saddam Hussein was
responsible for attacking us on September 11th. But in truth he had nothing
whatsoever to do with it. The President convinced the country with a mixture
of forged documents and blatantly false assertions that Saddam was in league
with Al Qaeda, and that he was "indistinguishable" from Osama bin
Laden.
He asked the nation , in his State of the Union address, to
"imagine" how terrified we should be that Saddam was about to give
nuclear weapons to terrorists and stated repeatedly that Iraq posed a grave
and gathering threat to our nation. He planted the seeds of war, and harvested
a whirlwind. And now, the "corrupt tree" of a war waged on false
premises has brought us the "evil fruit" of Americans torturing and
humiliating prisoners.
In my opinion, John Kerry is dealing with this unfolding tragedy in an
impressive and extremely responsible way. Our nation's best interest lies in
having a new president who can turn a new page, sweep clean with a new broom,
and take office on January 20th of next year with the ability to make a fresh
assessment of exactly what our nation's strategic position is as of the time
the reigns of power are finally wrested from the group of incompetents that
created this catastrophe.
Kerry should not tie his own hands by offering overly specific, detailed
proposals concerning a situation that is rapidly changing and unfortunately,
rapidly deteriorating, but should rather preserve his, and our country's,
options, to retrieve our national honor as soon as this long national
nightmare is over.
Eisenhower did not propose a five-point plan for changing America's
approach to the Korean War when he was running for president in 1952.
When a business enterprise finds itself in deep trouble that is linked to
the failed policies of the current CEO the board of directors and stockholders
usually say to the failed CEO, "Thank you very much, but we're going to
replace you now with a new CEO -- one less vested in a stubborn insistence on
staying the course, even if that course is, in the words of General Zinni,
"Headed over Niagara Falls."
One of the strengths of democracy is the ability of the people to regularly
demand changes in leadership and to fire a failing leader and hire a new one
with the promise of hopeful change. That is the real solution to America's
quagmire in Iraq. But, I am keenly aware that we have seven months and twenty
five days remaining in this president's current term of office and that
represents a time of dangerous vulnerability for our country because of the
demonstrated incompetence and recklessness of the current administration.
It is therefore essential that even as we focus on the fateful choice, the
voters must make this November that we simultaneously search for ways to
sharply reduce the extraordinary danger that we face with the current
leadership team in place. It is for that reason that I am calling today for
Republicans as well as Democrats to join me in asking for the immediate
resignations of those immediately below George Bush and Cheney who are
most responsible for creating the catastrophe that we are facing in Iraq.
We desperately need a national security team with at least minimal
competence because the current team is making things worse with each passing
day. They are endangering the lives of our soldiers, and sharply increasing
the danger faced by American citizens everywhere in the world, including here
at home. They are enraging hundreds of millions of people and embittering an
entire generation of anti-Americans whose rage is already near the boiling
point.
We simply cannot afford to further increase the risk to our country with
more blunders by this team. Donald Rumsfeld, as the chief architect of the war
plan, should resign today. His deputies Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and his
intelligence chief Stephen Cambone should also resign. The nation is
especially at risk every single day that Rumsfeld remains as Secretary of
Defense.
Condoleeza Rice, who has badly mishandled the coordination of national
security policy, should also resign immediately.
George Tenet should also resign. I want to offer a special word about
George Tenet, because he is a personal friend and I know him to be a good and
decent man. It is especially painful to call for his resignation, but I have
regretfully concluded that it is extremely important that our country have new
leadership at the CIA immediately.
As a nation, our greatest export has always been hope: hope that through
the rule of law people can be free to pursue their dreams, that democracy can
supplant repression and that justice, not power, will be the guiding force in
society. Our moral authority in the world derived from the hope anchored in
the rule of law. With this blatant failure of the rule of law from the very
agents of our government, we face a great challenge in restoring our moral
authority in the world and demonstrating our commitment to bringing a better
life to our global neighbors.
During Ronald Reagan's Presidency, Secretary of Labor Ray Donovan was
accused of corruption, but eventually, after a lot of publicity, the
indictment was thrown out by the Judge. Donovan asked the question,
"Where do I go to get my reputation back?" President Bush has now
placed the United States of America in the same situation. Where do we go to
get our good name back?
The answer is, we go where we always go when a dramatic change is needed.
We go to the ballot box, and we make it clear to the rest of the world that
what's been happening in America for the last four years, and what America has
been doing in Iraq for the last two years, really is not who we are. We, as a
people, at least the overwhelming majority of us, do not endorse the decision
to dishonor the Geneva Convention and the Bill of Rights....
Make no mistake, the damage done at Abu Ghraib is not only to America's
reputation and America's strategic interests, but also to America's spirit. It
is also crucial for our nation to recognize - and to recognize quickly - that
the damage our nation has suffered in the world is far, far more serious than
President Bush's belated and tepid response would lead people to believe.
Remember how shocked each of us, individually, was when we first saw those
hideous images. The natural tendency was to first recoil from the images, and
then to assume that they represented a strange and rare aberration that
resulted from a few twisted minds or, as the Pentagon assured us, "a few
bad apples."
But as today's shocking news reaffirms yet again, this was not rare. It was
not an aberration. Today's New York Times reports that an Army survey of
prisoner deaths and mistreatment in Iraq and Afghanisatan "show a
widespread pattern of abuse involving more military units than previously
known.'
Nor did these abuses spring from a few twisted minds at the lowest ranks of
our military enlisted personnel. No, it came from twisted values and atrocious
policies at the highest levels of our government. This was done in our name,
by our leaders.
These horrors were the predictable consequence of policy choices that
flowed directly from this administration's contempt for the rule of law. And
the dominance they have been seeking is truly not simply unworthy of America -
it is also an illusory goal in its own right.
Our world is unconquerable because the human spirit is unconquerable, and
any national strategy based on pursuing the goal of domination is doomed to
fail because it generates its own opposition, and in the process, creates
enemies for the would-be dominator.
A policy based on domination of the rest of the world not only creates
enemies for the United States and creates recruits for Al Qaeda, it also
undermines the international cooperation that is essential to defeating the
efforts of terrorists who wish harm and intimidate Americans.
Unilateralism, as we have painfully seen in Iraq, is its own reward. Going
it alone may satisfy a political instinct but it is dangerous to our military,
even without their Commander in Chief taunting terrorists to "bring it
on."
Our troops are stretched thin and exhausted not only because Secretary
Rumsfeld contemptuously dismissed the advice of military leaders on the size
of the needed force - but also because President Bush's contempt for
traditional allies and international opinion left us without a real coalition
to share the military and financial burden of the war and the occupation. Our
future is dependent upon increasing cooperation and interdependence in a world
tied ever more closely together by technologies of communications and travel.
The emergence of a truly global civilization has been accompanied by the
recognition of truly global challenges that require global responses that, as
often as not, can only be led by the United States - and only if the United
States restores and maintains its moral authority to lead.
Make no mistake, it is precisely our moral authority that is our greatest
source of strength, and it is precisely our moral authority that has been
recklessly put at risk by the cheap calculations and mean compromises of
conscience wagered with history by this willful president.
Listen to the way Israel's highest court dealt with a similar question
when, in 1999, it was asked to balance due process rights against dire threats
to the security of its people:
"This is the destiny of democracy, as not all means are acceptable to
it, and not all practices employed by its enemies are open before it. Although
a democracy must often fight with one hand tied behind its back, it
nonetheless has the upper hand. Preserving the Rule of Law and recognition of
an individual's liberty constitutes an important component in its
understanding of security. At the end of the day they (add to) its
strength."
The last and best description of America's meaning in the world is still
the definitive formulation of Lincoln's annual message to Congress on December
1, 1862:
"The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise - with
the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must
disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country. Fellow citizens, we
cannot escape history...the fiery trial through which we pass will light us
down in honor or dishonor to the latest generation...We shall nobly save, or
meanly lose the last best hope of earth...The way is plain, peaceful,
generous, just - a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and
God must forever bless."
It is now clear that their obscene abuses of the truth and their
unforgivable abuse of the trust placed in them after 9/11 by the American
people led directly to the abuses of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison and,
we are now learning, in many other similar facilities constructed as part of
Bush's Gulag, in which, according to the Red Cross, 70 to 90 percent of the
victims are totally innocent of any wrongdoing.
The same dark spirit of domination has led them to - for the first time in
American history - imprison American citizens with no charges, no right to see
a lawyer, no right to notify their family, no right to know of what they are
accused, and no right to gain access to any court to present an appeal of any
sort. The Bush Admistration has even acquired the power to compel librarians
to tell them what any American is reading, and to compel them to keep silent
about the request - or else the librarians themselves can also be imprisoned.
They have launched an unprecedented assault on civil liberties, on the
right of the courts to review their actions, on the right of the Congress to
have information to how they are spending the public's money and the right of
the news media to have information about the policies they are pursuing.
The same pattern characterizes virtually all of their policies. They resent
any constraint as an insult to their will to dominate and exercise power.
Their appetite for power is astonishing. It has led them to introduce a new
level of viciousness in partisan politics. It is that viciousness that led
them to attack as unpatriotic, Senator Max Cleland, who lost three limbs in
combat during the Vietnam War.
The president episodically poses as a healer and "uniter". If he
president really has any desire to play that role, then I call upon him to
condemn Rush Limbaugh - perhaps his strongest political supporter - who said
that the torture in Abu Ghraib was a "brilliant maneuver" and that
the photos were "good old American pornography," and that the
actions portrayed were simply those of "people having a good time and
needing to blow off steam."
This new political viciousness by the President and his supporters is found
not only on the campaign trail, but in the daily operations of our democracy.
They have insisted that the leaders of their party in the Congress deny
Democrats any meaningful role whatsoever in shaping legislation, debating the
choices before us as a people, or even to attend the all-important conference
committees that reconcile the differences between actions by the Senate and
House of Representatives.
The same meanness of spirit shows up in domestic policies as well. Under
the Patriot Act, Muslims, innocent of any crime, were picked up, often
physically abused, and held incommunicado indefinitely. What happened in Abu
Ghraib was difference not of kind, but of degree.
Differences of degree are important when the subject is torture. The
apologists for what has happened do have points that should be heard and
clearly understood. It is a fact that every culture and every politics
sometimes expresses itself in cruelty. It is also undeniably true that other
countries have and do torture more routinely, and far more brutally, than ours
has. George Orwell once characterized life in Stalin's Russia as "a boot
stamping on a human face forever." That was the ultimate culture of
cruelty, so ingrained, so organic, so systematic that everyone in it lived in
terror, even the terrorizers. And that was the nature and degree of state
cruelty in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
We all know these things, and we need not reassure ourselves and should not
congratulate ourselves that our society is less cruel than some others,
although it is worth noting that there are many that are less cruel than ours.
And this searing revelation at Abu Ghraib should lead us to examine more
thoroughly the routine horrors in our domestic prison system.
But what we do now, in reaction to Abu Ghraib will determine a great deal
about who we are at the beginning of the 21st century. It is important to note
that just as the abuses of the prisoners flowed directly from the policies of
the Bush White House, those policies flowed not only from the instincts of the
president and his advisors, but found support in shifting attitudes on the
part of some in our country in response to the outrage and fear generated by
the attack of September 11th.
The president exploited and fanned those fears, but some otherwise sensible
and levelheaded Americans fed them as well. I remember reading
genteel-sounding essays asking publicly whether or not the prohibitions
against torture were any longer relevant or desirable. The same grotesque
misunderstanding of what is really involved was responsible for the tone in
the memo from the president's legal advisor, Alberto Gonzalez, who wrote on
January 25, 2002, that 9/11 "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations
on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its
provisions."
We have seen the pictures. We have learned the news. We cannot unlearn it;
it is part of us. The important question now is, what will we do now about
torture. Stop it? Yes, of course. But that means demanding all of the facts,
not covering them up, as some now charge the administration is now doing. One
of the whistleblowers at Abu Ghraib, Sergeant Samuel Provance, told ABC News a
few days ago that he was being intimidated and punished for telling the truth.
"There is definitely a coverup," Provance said. "I feel like I
am being punished for being honest."
The abhorrent acts in the prison were a direct consequence of the culture
of impunity encouraged, authorized and instituted by Bush and Rumsfeld in
their statements that the Geneva Conventions did not apply. The apparent war
crimes that took place were the logical, inevitable outcome of policies and
statements from the administration.
To me, as glaring as the evidence of this in the pictures themselves was
the revelation that it was established practice for prisoners to be moved
around during ICRC visits so that they would not be available for visits.
That, no one can claim, was the act of individuals. That was policy set from
above with the direct intention to violate US values it was to be upholding.
It was the kind of policy we see - and criticize in places like China and
Cuba.
Moreover, the administration has also set up the men and women of our own
armed forces for payback the next time they are held as prisoners. And for
that, this administration should pay a very high price. One of the most tragic
consequences of these official crimes is that it will be very hard for any of
us as Americans - at least for a very long time - to effectively stand up for
human rights elsewhere and criticize other governments, when our policies have
resulted in our soldiers behaving so monstrously. This administration has
shamed America and deeply damaged the cause of freedom and human rights
everywhere, thus undermining the core message of America to the world.
President Bush offered a brief and half-hearted apology to the Arab world -
but he should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva
Conventions. He also owes an apology to the U.S. Army for cavalierly sending
them into harm's way while ignoring the best advice of their commanders.
Perhaps most importantly of all, he should apologize to all those men and
women throughout our world who have held the ideal of the United States of
America as a shining goal, to inspire their hopeful efforts to bring about
justice under a rule of law in their own lands. Of course, the problem with
all these legitimate requests is that a sincere apology requires an admission
of error, a willingness to accept responsibility and to hold people
accountable. And President Bush is not only unwilling to acknowledge error. He
has thus far been unwilling to hold anyone in his administration accountable
for the worst strategic and military miscalculations and mistakes in the
history of the United States of America.
He is willing only to apologize for the alleged erratic behavior of a few
low-ranking enlisted people, who he is scapegoating for his policy fiasco.
In December of 2000, even though I strongly disagreed with the decision by
the U.S. Supreme Court to order a halt to the counting of legally cast
ballots, I saw it as my duty to reaffirm my own strong belief that we are a
nation of laws and not only accept the decision, but do what I could to
prevent efforts to delegitimize George Bush as he took the oath of office as
president.
I did not at that moment imagine that Bush would, in the presidency that
ensued, demonstrate utter contempt for the rule of law and work at every turn
to frustrate accountability...
So today, I want to speak on behalf of those Americans who feel that
President Bush has betrayed our nation's trust, those who are horrified at
what has been done in our name, and all those who want the rest of the world
to know that we Americans see the abuses that occurred in the prisons of Iraq,
Afghanistan, Guantanamo and secret locations as yet undisclosed as completely
out of keeping with the character and basic nature of the American people and
at odds with the principles on which America stands.
I believe we have a duty to hold President Bush accountable - and I believe
we will. As Lincoln said at our time of greatest trial, "We - even we
here - hold the power, and bear the responsibility."
"Al Gore served as Vice President of this country for eight years. During that time, Osama Bin Laden declared war on the United States five times and terrorists killed US citizens on at least four different occasions including the first bombing of the World Trade Center, the attacks on Khobar Towers, our embassies in East Africa, and the USS Cole."
"Al Gore's attacks on the President today demonstrate that he either does not understand the threat of global terror, or he has amnesia."
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| Name: | Draft Gore 04! |
| To: | Progressive Comrades |
| Re: | WE MUST RETURN TO THE FUTURE! BUSH HAS RUINED EVERYTHING! |
Message:
Draft GORE 04! The Clinton-Gore Era is only just begun!
| Name: | G-Man |
| To: | Crackpot Al Gore |
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| Name: | Disgusted |
| To: | Gore Peddlers |
| Re: | Clinton -Gore |
Message:
This is comical, considering its source.
| Name: | The Dragon Empire |
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| Name: | If Hillary won't save us.... |
| To: | Masses Yearning To Be Taxed And Placed Under Surveilance |
| Re: | Gore has studied at Hillary's feet! |
Message:
DRAFT GORE O4! BRING IT ON!
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Conservatives |
Message:
You are just making it worse by mocking Gore.
Face the truth: We fought the dragons and became little dragons ourselves. Oh, not nearly as bad as the worst of the dragons, we just belong to the mild variety of dragon, but we entered through the gates of the dragon world and lost our moral authority.
I'm so sad about all this I just want to cry.
| Name: | The Truth |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Gaga over a pissant. |
Message:
Bullsh!t. Gore has conned you. Again.
| Name: | Gore SUCKS. |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Off the deep end, AGAIN. |
Message:
If it will help you get control of your EMOTIONS, go ahead. Gore is a tinhorn hack, and worse. Don't let him manipulate you. He and Bill Clinton had their shot at running things, and they blew it. They blew the peace. They blew it BAD. Al Gore can kiss my as in hell.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | The Truth |
Message:
Are you telling me that everything Gore wrote is a lie?
Could you point out the lies so that I'm not conned?
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Gore SUCKS. |
Message:
The Clintons blew it? How did they blow it? I remember it being one of the best years of the last century.
| Name: | Pepe' |
| To: | The Forum, |
| Re: | Who Told Their Country That It |
Message:
YOU'S COUNTRY HAS REPUBKLICANS ON A T.V.
WHO'S TOLD YOU IT WAS FRIENDLY.,p.YOU'S PRINT YOU'S BILL CLINTON / YOU'S WHAT IS THIS REPUBLICAN; ?
WHO TOLD YOU- YOU'S WHAT IS LIBERIA; WHERE'S YOU'S HAS ><< WITH CIVILIANS
WHO TOLD YOU'S THAT "We," WOULD LIVE NEAR YOU'S
O.K., let's equivocate: they's Country Bothers STUFF.
O.K., NO - PEOPLE LIVE HERE-
NO PEOPLE LIVE NEAR.
2000 MILES.
LET'S GET HELP FROM THIS UN-FREINDLY NATION NOW- :
HELP.
ARABS; GOOD ARABS - n' NICE STALINISTS; "we's, NEED >>HELP!,
"i, HAD TO LIVE NEAR THEY'S - WHAT NO-CAN-READ...GOOD.
O.K., my name is David H. Levesque : "In The Future , people will be smarter than computers..." I reside IN their UN'FRIENDLY COUNTRY . my street address is : 2350McBride Ln. Apt. #A20 SANTA ROSA , CA 95403.
WHO IS GOING TO LIVE- NEAR : 2000 miles.
| Name: | Donkey |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Al Gore, Kerry, Dean, Daschle, Kennedy, Pelosi, McDermutt, Etc. |
Bring this man back!
He can help save your party from self destruction

| Name: | The Truth |
| To: | ET |
Message:
The whole thing is a low-road hit piece. But you'll buy it, at least until another bus explodes in Tel Aviv
| Name: | Editor |
The whole thing is a low-road hit piece. But you'll buy it, at least until another bus explodes in Tel Aviv
Message: There was that shining moment when I thought we could end all that, but we made deals with the devil and now we are disqualified from that honor. As the saying goes: "When one fights with dragons one must take care not to become one yourself." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Name: | Editor |
| To: | Please don't delete this post |
| Name: | Please don't delete this post |
| To: | Editor |
Message:
Thank you
| Name: | Fact |
| To: | ET |
Message:
There is no devil.
| Name: | Amazed |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | "A Strong Queen & Supportive King" .... a sarcastic joke. |
Message:
I really think you've lost your marbles. Your Clinton cultism has even trumped your ridiculous attachment to "democracy". Gore is a bigger dope than Kerry.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Fact |
Message:
That's just a saying. I'm referring to the devil within all of us. We keep it in check through laws, principles, morals, and upbringing in a civilized world.
We cannot brush aside the principles of democracy to win a war that we initiated.
We cannot brush aside morals and principles in order to win the hearts and minds of the people we liberated.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Amazed |
Message:
Ad hominem attacks don't impress me. Could you please take one paragraph out of Gore's article and provide with evidence of why it is about this paragraph that proves it was written by a "dope."
| Name: | The Truth |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | War is messy and confusing. Too bad there isn't a better way. |
Message:
Yep. Why don't you do yourself a favor and see if you can find out who wrote that "speech" or contributed to it. It's a campaign speech, and a damned ugly one. I believe that it is about the ugliest campaign speech ever. Who is it for? Gore himself? Hillary? Kerry?
| Name: | Truthseeker |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | It IS a NEW DARK AGE... if you believe this malarkey |
Message:
This is beyond the pale...you have become a caricature of your former self....
| Name: | A Zell Miller Fan |
| Name: | Hasta Lavista Mustafakkah! |
Message:
Hey! Where's the 80 y/o Swedish Grandmother in this "Rogues Gallery?"
Funny, the all look LIKE F*CKING MUSLIN CAMEL JOCKEYS!
('Cept for the one f*ckwad in the bottom row who grew up in all-inclusive-tolerant-America-is-always-wrong Marin county...)
Get with the program people...it us agains sub human islamic untermensch sh*t!
Lets get this EXCREMENT out of our country....start with the MOSQUE in or near your home town.
Make every round count, every shot a head-shot (you priced ammo lately? It's getting expensive and there's at least 2 billion muslims...)
A pleasant and peaceful evening to all.
| Name: | The Truth |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Gore has never done one positive thing in his entire public career. |
Message:
You can do it better yourself. Take any paragraph in that screed and analyze it objectively against known and verifiable fact. It's nothing but acrid, hateful BS. It's nothing but an attack piece from a blowhard pissant. That's all Gore is, and that's all he ever has been. It's all he is capable of being. He is nearly 60 years old, and he is as grown up as he ever will be.
| Name: | .... |
| Re: | It only counts against Republicans... |
Message:
Yeah but when Clinton LIED about "death camps" in Kosovo and men died for his incompetence in Somalia and the USS Cole bombing and the FIRST WTC bombing and the WACO fires was "SCREAMIN AL" leading the charge for regime change?
| Name: | HAH! |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Gore blowing poo |
Message:
Unless they come form Al Gore Junior!
| Name: | Chica |
| To: | ET |
I'm so sad about all this I just want to cry.
Message:
To the forum first, if you use html, please remember to close your parens.
In fighting terrorism and defending freedom, it's not a bad thing to be a 'dragon'. We have the right, we are right, and we have the might.
We DO have the moral authority to fight terrorism and bring some kind of democracy to Iraq, and hopefully, the Middle East.
If we had been more aggresive with Bin Laden after the first WTC attacks, we probably wouldn't be where we are today. In that vein, I am confident that we are thwarting further attacks on our homeland. We haven't had an attack here since 9-11 and I believe that a lot of that has to do with the fact that we're engaging the enemy on their turf - not ours. Be grateful to our troops that are fighting for freedom, protecting the US, and liberating the Iraqi people.
I'm so sad that you buy into all this negative propoganda. The corruption of a few does not represent our government or our country. And furthermore, the abuses at the prison are at no level the moral equivalent of Hussein's atrocities. ...Atrocities that the UN, France, Germany, and Russia willingly supported in order to benefit financially from Saddam! Turns the whole "blood for oil" arguement 180 degrees, eh?
You said that conservatives whine about the media bias, or something to that effect, a few forums ago. And yet, here you are, a victim of it.
Ya know, in the occasional times that I do visit the forum, I'm gonna start posting the positive messages I find online from our soldiers and other sources. There is good news out there, ET - you just won't find it in the major networks or print media. Anything to oust President Bush - even if it means the loss of US military or innocent Iraqi lives. The evil of the Berg beheading got -what- at most two days in the major media? And how long has the prison abuse scandal been printed? One to two weeks and still counting?
The media and democrats have not learned from the bashing of Clinton - hate politics doesn't work and it will backfire in this election, too. Remember that the failure of this country is what the Democrats are banking on.
| Name: | Ayl JusKeep Postin |
| Name: | t |
| Name: | t |
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Chica |
Message:
I'm not buying ALL the negative propaganda, but you can't tell me the ALL of it is lies?
I'm intelligent and well read. I scan publications around the world, on the right as well as the left. The Bush Administration has made a hell of a lot of mistakes in Iraq, just too many to keep making excuses for them.
I have a son-in-law in Iraq. It's one thing to go down fighting to protect the freedom of your country, but it's quite another to get blown to bits because of the Bush Administration's many mistakes.
I'm still hoping for a miracle, because a miracle is what it's going to take to get us out of this mess. But miracles do happen. This would not be the first war where we looked really bad and pulled out of it. But even if we do pull out of it, there are moral lines and democratic principles the Bush Administration brushed aside.
Nothing is worth winning if you lose your principles in the process.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | Ayl JusKeep Postin |
Message:
When fighting dragons it is important to remember... that overwhelming force wins wars ....keeps the dragon from tasting your middle.
Rumsveld didn't listen to Powell.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | techies |
| Name: | Pepe' |
| To: | S. Korea, |
| Re: | Mr. President John Quincy Adams |
John Adams I. was probably a running joke by : Mr. John Quincy Adams. He was probably reeal, SMART ( LIKE : Computers.) People probably wanted to know whether he was "RELATED. ?
John Quincy Adams "He, was probably >Smart; like The White House is >Smart. LIKE : Computers.
"i, think that my Yahoo.com news said something about Singapore bringing 'Gum back to The White House
That's like when it was Sooo, F*ckhing >FUNNY< and that Lady Hillary Brought 'Brocolli back>>>>to THE WHITE HOUSE!!
So, F*CKHING >FUNNY<.
They still can't figure out that even meager Presidents are People too; AND, that they have to live here too;.
I mean it is unbelievable - they actually believe that Presidents AREN't "people; or, that "we, are at odds with "GOD - or, that "GOD wasn't Mr. Washington; wherever that one IS.
and how are "we, The Meager Presidents; or, just People who live here -- How are "we, going to be Related. Doesn't make sense.
I guess They all just don't have their dialogues adequate // WHOEVER is really O'er there.
Hey, in Presidents, there is usually another one...Mr. George...WELL, instead of complaining - it's probably better not. Reather : I speculate whether ALL of Mr. Washington's LIFE including Militia/Military/Presidency etc... (He, probably had a long life.) is DONE. Perhaps HIS superior LIFE-TIME isn't all yet, done. ? who knows(?)
for most of The Presidents There Are running jokes...not a a plethora - The Jokes not on THEM; "i, think it began with Mr. Monroe. because..."He, may have found that there were "2!" LEFT!, "2." "II." "TWO." Baad' Guys, Left. "2." so, then The Joke began.
AND; believe it!, between Adams + Jefferson + Madison...it was like Another Country. NOT; WASHINGTON. but, Believe it : Theirs was NOT at all friendly to... ? A' Wide-Variety. Like, 'nother President. (ALWAYS ANOTHER ONE,)
| Name: | Chica |
| To: | ET |
I'm intelligent and well read. I scan publications around the world, on the right as well as the left. The Bush Administration has made a hell of a lot of mistakes in Iraq, just too many to keep making excuses for them.
I have a son-in-law in Iraq. It's one thing to go down fighting to protect the freedom of your country, but it's quite another to get blown to bits because of the Bush Administration's many mistakes.
I'm still hoping for a miracle, because a miracle is what it's going to ...
Message:
Hey. I didn't say that the propoganda was necessarily lies. What I did say is that the media focuses on the negatives.
I didn't mean to offend you. But focusing on the negative only IS misleading and not objective or truthful in context. In Bush's speech this week, he admitted mistakes. War is hell and we've certainly never fought an enemy like this. Regardless, mistakes by humans are inevitable - does that invalidate our right in fighting terror?
We (as a nation) had this type of discussion during the Cold War. Do you remember the party talking points from then? Kennedy was defending the Soviet communists then in the same way he blames America first now.
Yes, miracles do happen, I know. However, "getting out of this mess" implies that you take an isolationist point of view. After 9-11, this 'mess' has been thrust upon us. We now have an opportunity to actually make a positive difference.
I pray your son-in-law remains safe, as I do for all our troops. He is not fighting for Bush's mistakes, again, he's fighing for freedom and in the war against terrorism.
If you honestly believe that the UN -- who withdrew from Iraq after the embassy bombing, which took bribes from Saddam, which put Libya & Sudan on the Human Rights commission -- should be in charge of restoring Iraq, then by all means vote for Kerry. If you feel comfortable sending your son-in-law to serve under that UN umbrella, then vote for Kerry.
And, I also sincerely hope that your son-in-law does not encounter any non-existent WMDs like that sarin bomb we found this month.
Now please tell me what moral lines and democratic principles our President has brushed aside?
| Name: | Pepe' |
| To: | The Forum, |
| Re: | Their Inteligence * |
They actually think that a pauper named David Howard Levesque is going to live in their Country...
You know; "i, did work a little in 88 - somthing; and i was just doing whatever was at hand.
BUT, i found that it wasn't Abel to do whatever was at hand -
AND; it was millenium night 2000- and, I did get to The Bible!
and then i found out -- whoevers Country "we, here in The United States of America is living >HERE; "i, take it that their Country is NOT Friendly. in anyway at all.
China, THEY probably do - undiplomatic Stuffs' ...BUT, "i, found that their Country ; The U.S.A., is completely in line with what is Undiplomatic OR, taboo. YOU would think that : say, putting A' Private person somewhere or something was taboo in Their Country ; The U.S.A.,, but, instead "We, find that they LIKE that stuff alot.
NOT a Friendly Country.
S. Korea; they probably do some weird stuff to -
so, in The United States, if You read The Bible You will get sick and die. IT is not a friendly Country. They don't even bother to keep The Borders and instead tell "Me, about all sorts of -Exclusive stuff.
"We've got it all figured out. Wherever "We, are living isn't friendly. It doesn't matter at all.
They believe that "i, factor into their stuff -No, not friendly.
it doesn't matter to "Me, at all.
| Name: | Jake |
| Name: | magpie |
Message:
Honor? He decided not to honor the Geneva Convention. Just as he would not honor the United Nations, international treaties, the opinions of our allies, the role of Congress and the courts, or what Jefferson described as "a decent respect for the opinion of mankind."
The dope doesn't seem to realize that terrorists are not represented by the Geneva convention. They were not signatories. That's the first one.
| Name: | magpie |
| Re: | the dope |
Message:
It is now clear that their obscene abuses of the truth and their unforgivable abuse of the trust placed in them after 9/11 by the American people led directly to the abuses of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison and, we are now learning, in many other similar facilities constructed as part of Bush's Gulag, in which, according to the Red Cross, 70 to 90 percent of the victims are totally innocent of any wrongdoing.
the red cross has said no such thing. he's a dope.
| Name: | magpie |
| Re: | the dope |
Message:
He has exposed Americans abroad and Americans in every U.S. town and city to a greater danger of attack by terrorists because of his arrogance, willfulness, and bungling at stirring up hornet's nests that pose no threat whatsoever to us.
If you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He's already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons. He poison-gassed his own people. He used poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors. This man has no compunction about killing lots and lots of people. (Al Gore, 1998)
he's a dope
| Name: | Slimmerson 2M's |
What is the end game for you Liberals and socialist Hillary backers?
Seriously, what do you hope to achieve? You know as well as I that if we had not taken the fight to the terrorists their mutual feelings of hate that you seem to share would have allowed them to be here fighting and killing innocent people much like in Israel. Still you bash, hate, and throw stones.
Our economy is ramping up, Iraq is ramping down, world peace is closer than it has ever been, at least in the middle east. Yet you continue to side with the terrorists in an attempt to make us lighten up on them. As soon as this happens they will be here killing us at will.Is that your end game?
| Name: | Slimmerson 2M's |
Whoever you choose to vote for in 2004 will have to remain strong on war, else we will be sitting ducks for an ever increasing number of terrorists that essentially have a lot of money and time and nothing else to do but hate us.
Yes we are going to be attack, and it will be big, but not as big as it will get later.
I sincerely hope that you Liberals, Democrats, and Socialist, remember who invited the next attack by showing that politics are more important to you than showing a united front against these trash of the world terrorists that kill, rape, and maim in the name of God.
| Name: | Slimmerson 2M's |
| Name: | Bow Echo |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Key word of the week: "BUNGLE" |
Message:
Yet you invariabley spout the latest shrill, desperate, election-year DNC crackpot line. You (sometimes) purport to support the effort in Iraq and elsewhere, yet you always pick up and amplify the latest negative crap that the Leftist spin machine manufactures, just as you have been doing for over a year now.
Gore (among many others of his ilk) is revolting. He is a shameful excuse for a leader, in these times or any times. Yet you hang on his every hateful, bellowed word.
There is significant positive news out of Iraq and elsewhere today, yet you choose to ignore that completely. Instead, you stuff your HRC Forum cannon with sticky vomit from Al Gore Junior (among others) and merrily fire away, directing your concentrated fire not at our common enemy, but directly at those who are doing their imperfect human best to protect and defend you and yours and your Israeli pets from those who have PROVEN that they mean to kill us one and all. At one and the same time, you very publicly give your real support to the very clowns whose actual malfeasance in office has put us into the position that we are in. Bush did NOT lose the peace. The Clinton-Gore team DID lose it.
| Name: | Slimm |
| To: | Chica |
Message:
This is a standard comment made by you left wing terrorists. Do you suppose at some point you might start pointing out "all of these mistakes" made by the President. That way we could judge more readily the incompetence of those involved.
I get real tired of these generalized canned statements made by you left wingers that have little or no fact to them. Nice, real nice.
| Name: | Jake |
Message:
The dems may as well admit that they are liberals and part of Al Queda.
| Name: | Slimm |
| Name: | Slimmerson 2M's |
| To: | ET |
| Name: | Slimm |
| To: | Jake |
| Name: | Slimm |
| To: | Bow Echo |
| Name: | Al Gore |
| To: | All |
| Name: | Smedley |
| To: | SET |
Oh, Pleeeeeaaaazzzeeee! If anyone is BEGGING to be mocked it is Al Gore. Don't think that Gore in his little hate-fest with moveon.org is doing anything but trying to salvage his putrid political career.
Face the truth: We fought the dragons and became little dragons ourselves. Oh, not nearly as bad as the worst of the dragons....
Again: Oh, Pleeeeeaaaazzzeeee!
Personally, I'm not sure EXACTLY what you're talking about, but outside a few miscreant trying to keep control of ten thousand scumbags in an Iraqi prison, the US has acted with incredible restraint, honor and dignity. Since 9-11 we have stopped three countries from being terrorist safe havens and two more (Saudi and Pakistan) are making substantial turnarounds. It's now safer to be an American soldier in Badhdad than an al Queda puke anywhere.
I'm so sad about all this I just want to cry.
Get over it. This is war. Petend the terrorists are Republicans and you're still schilling shamelessly for Democrats and NAZI-esque organizations like moveon.org
| Name: | Smedley |
| To: | magpie |
| Re: | Al Gore |
Message:
Fortunately, he's a dope who can't keep his own lies straight.
Unfortunately, the left in this country could give a rat's arse about the truth as long as there's anti-conservative hate-speech to be had.
| Name: | HILLARY SUPPORTER |
| To: | TCHF |
Message:
No, you were name-calling!
| Name: | Smedley |
| To: | SET |
Message:
Bill and Al blew the peace by NOT DOING ANYTHING about terrorism even AFTER repeated attacks on US targets INCLUDING the 1993 WTC attack.
In fact, during this time they Decimated US armed forces and intelligence services.
No, the clinton administration was too busy with DAMAGE CONTROL over their CONSTANT SCANDALS including those of sexual harassment, travelgate, cattlegate, disappearing files, illegAL CAMPAIGN $$$, RonBrownVinceWebHubbell ....
No, Bill Clinton was too busy diddling the interns, making ad hominem attacks against Republicans, renting the Lincoln bedroom, throwing $10,000 coffee breaks, fighting welfare reform, breaking campaign promises and staging ridiculously cheezy and obviously phoney photo ops.
| Name: | Way of the Crossroads |
| To: | forum |
| Re: | We find inane things to spend money on-raise taxes |
My room mate walks on campus in all the latest clothes!---College life
Except it's so immigrants can communicate when they commit crimes,etc. Enabling , that's it! Just have them bring their own interpreter, dang it! We can't be paying Elbonians $20 an hour for chatter! This is America, the great melting pot. Pretend it's NYC circa 1900 when it comes to polylinguistics!
Message:
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The Virginia Supreme Court has certification programs for Spanish court interpreters and is considering certification programs in Vietnamese and Korean. In 2002, 36,625 people were served by language interpreters in Virginia criminal cases, at a cost of 2.7 million to taxpayers. These numbers have almost doubled since 2000 and are expected to keep rising.
AP, Courts respond to rise of Virginia’s Spanish-speaking population, July 6, 2003
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Washington D.C. city financial officials estimate that a proposed “Language Access Bill” would cost $7.74 million to implement. The bill would require almost all city agencies to hire translators and translate official documents for any language spoken by over 500 non-English language proficient people in the city.
Sylvia Moreno, Advocates for Immigrants Endorse D.C. Language Bill, Washington Post, April 9, 2003
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21.3 million Americans are classified as “limited English proficient,” a 52 percent increase from 1990, and more than double the 1980 total.
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2000, 1990, 1980
******We can't be paying Elbonians $20 an hour for chatter! This is America, the great melting pot. Pretend it's NYC circa 1900 when it comes to polylinguistics!#
| Name: | Flop Sweat |
| To: | Communism PAC.org |
| Re: | that big towel al gore had to use |
Message:
He should have used a friggin squeegee to wipe off that flop sweat instead of the towel
| Name: | magpie |
Message:
that doofus preaches to us about balancing the whole freakin earth but he can't balance his own sweat glands. he's a dope.
I like having ol al bore around though. he reminds me every day how hsyterical the dems have become.
| Name: | 6006 words! |
| To: | in that MoveOn.org speech |
| Name: | Change the tone |
| To: | Ha |
Message:

The man who represented America for 8 years.
Slick Willie and the Glob Her Majesty, Hillary RODHAM Clinton


Need I say more, although the guy can play! Barbra Bull*&$% Streisand



Sir Chappaquid Lanny Davis, Clinton Brown-Nose Quanell X


The Revvvruuund Jessie "Rent a Riot" Jackson Al Sharpton

Julian Epstein, Liberal Analyst Denise Rich, Clinton Fundraiser, Gift buyer, Sex partner, etc.

Ellen Ratner, Whiny Liberal Sore Loserman Cher, the biggest in town
Congressman Anthony Weiner Sen.Tom Daschle, Obstructionist House Minority Leader Gephardt
Peter Deutsch Leo Terrell, Civil Rights Attorney Patricia Ireland -NOW

Beth Dozoretz, Clinton Fundraiser who Took the 5th Clinton Shark James Carville


Vote Manufacturer Bill Daley Congressman Gary Condidit
Roger Clinton, Party Animal & Bill's Bro Janet El Reno Rep. Henry "Nostrilitus" Waxman (D)

Clinton Brown-Nose Paul Begala Sheila Jackson Lee, the biggest limousine liberal in town


Maxine Waters, liberal congresswoman from California
| Name: | Slimm |
"ignorance does not erase the results of your actions"
Do you need that spelled out for you?
| Name: | Dakota Voter |
| To: | forum members |
| Re: | 2004 election |
Message:
Where is Tom Daschle?
Isn't he up for re-election this year?
Is he hiding out in a Starbucks somewhere with his laptop?
Does anybody have any answers to these very important questions???

| Name: | The Noble Donkey |
| To: | ET |
I am deeply saddened by the actions of my keepers

What happened to the John F. Kennedy Democrats
I grew up supporting? I think I may retire along with Zell Miller
before this bunch takes me down with them to the bottom of the gutter
| Name: | Paperjam |
| To: | Individual |
Message:
Former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke says he is solely responsible for allowing members of Osama bin Laden's family to flee the United States immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
![]() Richard Clarke |
"I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again," Clarke told The Hill newspaper yesterday.
The Hill said a political controversy has been brewing over who approved the six controversial flights that carried 140 Saudi citizens.
At the time the members of the Saudi elite were allowed to leave, the Bush administration was preparing to detain Muslims in the U.S. as material witnesses to the attacks.
Democrat leaders, including Sen. Barbara Boxer of California, had been pressing members of the 9-11 Commission to find out, "Who authorized the flight[s] and why?"
A Democrat who attended a May 6 closed-d