Senators Clinton, Graham call for larger U.S. military

Senators Clinton, Graham call for larger U.S. military

Former political foes strike an alliance

Monday, May 24, 2004 Posted: 8:10 AM EDT (1210 GMT)

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Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton and Republican Lindsey Graham agree the U.S. needs a larger military.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An unlikely pair of Senate allies called for a larger military Sunday and pledged a thorough investigation of abuse against Iraqi prisoners in Baghdad.

Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, and Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, are both members of the Senate's Armed Services Committee.

"A number of us have been sounding this alarm. We have to face the fact we need a larger active-duty military," Clinton told the television show "Fox News Sunday."

"We cannot continue to stretch our troops, both active-duty, Guard and Reserve, to the breaking point, which is what we're doing now."

Graham said the United States is "putting too much pressure on the men and women in uniform."

"We need more of them, sooner rather than later," he said.

The senators acknowledged that an increase in the size of the military would be an expensive venture.

Clinton said, "I don't think we have any alternatives." And Graham said, "If we lose Iraq -- if it fails to go from a dictatorship to a democracy -- then we've had a great setback in the Mideast."

Recently published photographs depicting U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners don't help matters, the senators said, and both said the investigation into the scandal would continue.

Graham said he believed the investigation would eventually reveal that more than the privates and sergeants currently charged were involved and that military intelligence officers directed some of the abuse.

He said he thought the investigation also would show that some soldiers did what they did on their own and that "it was the worst-run command situation I've ever seen."

"I think you're going to find a sophisticated plan that was in [place at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay,] Cuba, about how to interrogate al Qaeda people was translated to an unsophisticated group in Iraq [that] was poorly trained, understaffed, and that the result was a cocktail for disaster," said Graham, an Air Force Reserve colonel.

He predicted there would be more courts-martial involving soldiers farther up the chain of command.

Graham and Clinton both appealed for an end to partisan wrangling so that the problems that created the Abu Ghraib scandal -- too few troops, and those being poorly trained and unprepared, along with a breakdown of command -- can be fixed.

"We are the greatest nation in the history of the world," Clinton said. "We have rule of law. We have due process. We have ideals and values. And, frankly, that's what we think we're fighting for. It is imperative that we do this right and that we follow the investigations wherever they lead."

"I would ask both sides to kind of knock it down a notch, work together to find more troops. If we can work together," Graham said, referring to himself and Clinton, "that's a good sign."

The former first lady was making her first appearance on "Fox News Sunday," and host Chris Wallace pointed out that she was appearing with Graham -- who was one of the "managers" from the House of Representatives who unsuccessfully prosecuted her husband's impeachment in his Senate trial.

"I don't think that was lost on her," Graham commented wryly.

Clinton said she believes "in redemption and growth."

"People who were previously misguided can see the light," she said.

Clinton said she and Graham had found "common cause" on several issues, particularly in their drive to grant the same health care benefits to National Guard and Reserve forces now provided to active-duty military.

"We have polar opposite views on a lot of things," Graham said. "But we're not going to win this war if we focus on what divides us. We need to focus on what brings us together.

"The men and woman who serve us are not Republicans or Democrats," he said. "They're Americans."   source...




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Name:   Patriot
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The worse the war in Iraq gets the greater the attack.

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I don't see that the war in Iraq as a whole is going bad. Some bad decisions were made, some mistakes were made. I think these occur in any war, but specifically speaking, what was the expected outcome of the war and in what fashion is that not occuring? It seems to me that going into the war we were concerned that wmd would be used against our troops, Israel would be hit by missles possibly containg wmd, 100,000 bodybags were shipped to the theatre, the middle east would explode, even predictions that Jordan, and Egypt would become entangled in coup attempts by muslim extremists. Yet I find none of these has happened.

To this point Iraq is scheduled for a full soveriegn government to take over June 30th. The UN will pass a resolution soon naming the interim leaders, and will assist in setting up democratic elections in January. Schools, hospitals, etc are up and running and we have lost less soldiers then were killed in Chicago due to crime last year.

Obviously it has not been pretty but then again I can't remember a war and occupation that was ever pretty.


Name:   Smedley
To:   Patriot

Re:   WWAGD?? (what would Al Gore do)
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I don't see that the war in Iraq as a whole is going bad. Some bad decisions were made, some mistakes were made. I think these occur in any war, but specifically speaking, what was the expected outcome of the war and in what fashion is that not occuring?

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I'd say that I'm interested in how a Democrat might handle the Iraqi situation, but in all likihood a Democrat would simply ignore the situation. I'm interested in how a Democrat would have handled 9-11, but I suspect that had Al Go won the 2000 election, the Taliban and al Qaeda would still be running Afghanistan.


Name:   Good News For America, Bad News for Democrats
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LONDON (AP) - The U.S. dollar rose Monday morning against other major currencies in European trading. Gold prices fell in Europe.


Name:   Smedley
To:   Forum

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"The men and woman who serve us are not Republicans or Democrats," he said. "They're Americans."

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If only more democrats would embrace this


Name:   Why John Kerry will never be president
Message:

Given the current events, if Kerry can't pull ahead now there is NO WAY he can win this fall. Looks like the Democrats have pulled defeat from the jaws of victory.

Bush 45% Kerry 45% Election 2004 Presidential Ballot (Rasmussen) - 5/24/2004


Name:   Patriot
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This is tragic, the U.S is all bogged down in this war (quagmire of viet nam proportions) and all these Iraq people can think of is buying planes and restarting thier national airline. What are they thinking?

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Iraq, with 300-million-budget for planes, holds talks with Airbus

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Iraq plans to spend 300 million dollars on planes and hopes European giant Airbus will come up with a new offer within two weeks, more than a decade after a proposed deal was frozen, the interim transport minister said.

"We have a budget of 300 million dollars to lease or buy aircraft from Airbus and Boeing," Behnam Polis told AFP -- a budget that he hopes will kickstart Iraq's grounded national airline.

He said he had discussed the stalled deal with Airbus officials during a visit to Britain last week, but that officials in Paris had been unable to see him.

"We discussed everything. We want to cooperate with Airbus and I am expecting them to give us a proposal in two weeks," Polis said.

"There is no problem with leasing or buying aircraft," he added, despite the fact that Baghdad airport has been taken over as a US military base, with no foreseeable plans to reopen it to normal commercial traffic.

But Polis said he wanted the airport at Iraq's second city of Basra, to reopen without delay.

"Tomorrow, if it is my authority, I will take the decision directly to reopen Basra. The security is very good there," he said.

Iraq signed an agreement with Airbus before the 1991 Gulf War to buy 10 Airbus planes, for which Polis has said it paid 10 percent of the sum, more than 10 million dollars.

The deal was stalled after the United Nations slapped international sanctions on Iraq for its 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

In November, Polis said he had written to Airbus and was awaiting the company's response to reopen negotiations.


Name:   Democrats in Free-Fall
Message:
The Story the Left Wing Propaganda Operation DOES NOT what America to read:

Baghdad liable for September 11: judge

By Patricia Hurtado
May 9 2003

A United States federal judge has ruled that Iraq provided material support to Osama bin Laden and his terrorist group al-Qaeda for the September 11, 2001, attack and is liable to pay $US104 million ($163 million) in damages to two victims' families.

The ruling, by Manhattan District Judge Harold Baer, is the first court decision stemming from the September 11 terrorist attacks.

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The Democrat's house of lies is becoming hard from them to maintain.

(this ruling was upheld on appeal)


Name:   Individual
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Bush 45% Kerry 45% Election 2004. Given the current events, if Kerry can't pull ahead now there is NO WAY he can win this fall. Looks like the Democrats have pulled defeat from the jaws of victory.

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I would agree. Except if Bush keeps bungling the Iraq situation. Each time he bungles things, Kerry has an opening. Kerry hasn't been able to take advantage as of yet. But, the whole thing reminds me of the hostage situation and Carter vs Reagan. Reagan found a big opening right before the election, and took advantage of it. Hopefully, Kerry will do the same if Bush keeps bungling things. The undecideds are key, and they usually go to the challenger.


Name:   Gaia
To:   ET

Re:   Sick??
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Would anyone loose any sleep at the news of Michael Moore choking to death on a ham sandwich? Or Noam Chomsky fatally wrapping his Honda Element around a telephone pole? Message: You are sick.

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You are all annoying me to no end. I am thinking seriously of throwing another mass extinction. I'll just preturb the orbit of some little asteroid ever so slightly, and that will be that. Blessed peace!

Of course, I will keep my aquatic lizards. I'm quite fond of my crocodilians. The sharks, too. They are perhaps my best work, and my true-est reflection.


Name:   21, 17, 98.
To:   Individual Marxist

Re:   Rebuilding the Peace
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I would agree. Except if Bush keeps bungling the Iraq situation.

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Bungling? Only in your sick, lying, twisted political hack's mind, Individual. Miracle Boy Clinton is the one who squandered the peace and blew the "peace dividend" on a sorry mess of sour pottage.


Name:   La Brea
Re:   SSSCCHLUUUUPP!!!!!!!!!!
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Would anyone lose any sleep at the news of Michael Moore choking to death on a ham sandwich?

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A most unlikely scenario. The man takes whole pigs at a single gulp!


Name:   magpie
To:   conjob

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Kerry hasn't been able to take advantage as of yet. But, the whole thing reminds me of the hostage situation and Carter vs Reagan.

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you're in for a rude awakening. The leftist liberal press are aiding and abetting Kerry now by concentrating on difficulties in Iraq but NOT putting his mug on TV. he is not likable at all and even bush will cream him in debates as Kerry comes off as a patrician-aristocratic stuffed shirt. the mainstream media knows this and although they want him to win are keeping him in the basement as the more people get to know him the more the don;t like him. he's disingenuine and speaks in flip flopping sound bites with no convictions.

that's good enough for hard core brain dead dcemocrats like yourself but the average american sees the moron for what he is. Bush will whup his blooblooded ass. mark my words.


Name:   Hocus Pocus Dominocus
To:   The Future We Doth Seek

Re:   Eenie Meanie Chili Beanie
In response to:
The Spirits Begin to Speak

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In swirling mists of heavy fog, within this crystal ball, I see a vision of the future that awaits us all.

QUOTING NEWS ARTICLE: "We have a budget of 300 million dollars to lease or buy aircraft from Airbus and Boeing," Behnam Polis told AFP -- a budget that he hopes will kickstart Iraq's grounded national airline.

NEW IRAQUI COUNCIL has taken over control of Iraq on June 30, 2004. Their new leader, Mohammed Alla Bool Oney has been "elected" fair and square by designated voters.

Next day, Mohammed Alla Bool Oney has ordered several dozen Boeing and BusAir Aircraft from US and Great Britain. Late into the night, Iraqi workers toil to add a bombadier hatch into the bottom of the aircraft, & to outfit them for holding cluster bombs, A-bombs, & any other material they have managed to buy from the Soviet Union & North Korea.

July 4, 2004, the Iraqui Air Force is up and running at dawn, on their journey to fly over the United States and drop several 800 pound bombs on New York, Miami, & any huge American metropolis on the Eastern seaboard. As the bombay doors open, the Iraquis yell, "God is Great!!!"

Americans, watching their giant fireworks displays, do not immediately notice that some of the explosions are not just Chinese-imported colored light shows. But then they realize, and their eyes open in horror, knowing that once again, Bush has bungled. He let Iraquis buy our airplanes. (Anything for Republican greed). Now WHO is going to pay for all OUR cities to be rebuilt, after the bombing ??


Name:   The Truth
Message:
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the Program,

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent "Trust Fund" rather than into the General operating fund, would only therefore only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to "put away," you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent "Trust" fund and put it into the General fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically-controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the "tie-breaking" deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the U.S.

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive SSI Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and violation of the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is, uninformed citizens believe it!

Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during this 2004 election year! If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve. How many people can YOU send this to?

Keep this going clear up through the 2004 election!! The truth needs to be heard!


Name:   One World Supporter
To:   Fools

Re:    Socialism
Message:
Evil walks, but it is difficult to detect. Greed may lead us right to the culprit.

We should not have to be choosing between the two evils. What kind of choice is that? In one way or another, the Democrats and/or the Republicans want power and influence, while we most likely get the "shaft". As long as we are going around chasing shadows our governments will have their way with us. As long as we are all distracted, then they can go on securing their power & wealth. Why is it that some people(oil companies)are alowed to murder for money, and the government even taxes it so to take their cut of the blood money, while people treating themselves and at the same time saving a little money in the process, not to mention saving public health lots of money are jailed because it is ilegal to save money? But Chemical factories are more of an ally to politicians then health care workers.

This is what we are all forced to deal with. One person kills just to inherate their parent's fortune, ends up on "death Row", but oil companies can murder hundreds of thousands a year but they are not in any prisons instead they are living in their mansions, living on the blood money and their government ignores it.

Remember, we are destined to destroy eachother, based on my new Theory, based on humans urge to control other humans so far as to force ideologies upon them that would actually mess with the peoples logic and inrage the public. It will not let-up and eventually patriotism will slowly become a thing of the past. Governments always act like the people need governments but it is really a scam, and is just the other way around. Remember, they need "US".


Name:   Indivdual
Message:
The democrats have some things going for them, namely Bush's poor performance ratings, especially as regards Iraq. But that is only half the battle. The demos must pick the right VP, and then take advantage of Bush's weakness.


Name:   The Poker
To:   Indivdual

In response to:
The democrats have some things going for them, namely Bush's poor performance ratings, especially as regards Iraq. But that is only half the battle. The demos must pick the right VP, and then take advantage of Bush's weakness

Message:
Eat shit and die!


Name:   Michael Moores Personal Trainer
In response to:
Would anyone loose any sleep at the news of Michael Moore choking to death on a ham sandwich?

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I'm teaching the slob how to shave, then I'm going to work on his diet, then I'm going to roll his fat ass out of the limo for some road work. If and when he loses 100lbs, I'm sending him to Toronto for a new wardrobe.


Name:   Wax Beans
To:   Michael Moore

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I'm sending him to Toronto for a new wardrobe

Message:
I just called the fab (5)


Name:   Whiteman
To:   Merci Moi

Re:   Iraq is no threat to U.S.!!!!!! Never was, never will be.
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July 4, 2004, the Iraqui Air Force is up and running at dawn, on their journey to fly over the United States and drop several 800 pound bombs on New York, Miami, & any huge American metropolis on the Eastern seaboard. As the bombay doors open, the Iraquis yell, "God is Great!!!"

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The Iraqis are all Birchers now, MOO, and they'll only bomb your house. I'm going to be on your roof at at 0300 7-4-04 painting a huge donkey on it so the Iraqis won't miss!


Name:   John Kerry
Message:
I was married before I wasn't married!


Name:   John Kerry
Message:
My children were legitimate before I made them illegitimate!


Name:   Shakertown
In response to:
The democrats have some things going for them, namely Bush's poor performance ratings, especially as regards Iraq. But that is only half the battle. The demos must pick the right VP, and then take advantage of Bush's weakness

Message:
Yap Yap Yap Yap yap Yap Yap


Name:   magpie
Message:
BTW-did anyone see the Jeopardy Power Players week? just as I said-liberals are dumb and got their rear ends handed to them as per usual. the just ain't very smart.


Name:   Individual
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Bush will whup his blooblooded ass. mark my words.

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I tend to agree. I'm not as convinced as you because of the Iraq situation. Also, if Kerry does a good job of VP selection, that will help. Also, Kerry has a reputation of getting energized close to elections. Let's hope he gets going just when Bush is the weakest.


Name:   Alice
Message:
First I said I would and then I won't, and then I said I did and then I don't... I'm undecided now, so what am I going to do?


Name:   Johnny Kayak, Lord of The White Wolves
To:   Indisquirt

Re:   Motivating the Army of Fools
In response to:
The demos must pick the right VP, and then take advantage of

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Dump Kerry; draft Hillary, Kofi Annan for VP. Applehead McCain for SecDef. That should just about do it. Pelosi runs the Congress, Hillary runs the world, McCain runs off at the mouth.


Name:   .David Davies
To:   Forum

Message:
Change Democratic Party to Hypocritic Party! There is obviously MORE accuracy there . In the next four years or so, there are probably at least three, if not four, Supreme Court justices who will retire. And the question we all have to ask ourselves is what kind of justices do we want appointed to the Supreme Court? Do we want liberal activist judges who could, by judicial decree, rule the 2nd Amendment null and void, thereby unleashing the full force of government to forcibly confiscate our guns, some of which are family heirlooms, passed from generation to generation, to be melted down or otherwise destroyed?

How about a decree that says that every state has to allow same sex marriage? Or that the practice of religion, any religion, is outlawed? Or that newspapers can only print what the government says it can? Don't laugh, these things could come to pass...and not by a vote of the people, but by a bunch of black robed miscreants.

Personally, I would love to have the Supreme Court justices all be Constitutionlists, reading it and ruling on cases brought before the court and not having "interpretations" of the Constitution, but judgements rendered based on the Constitution. Bush is having a tough time getting his nominees out of committee to get a floor vote. The liberals, led by Tom Daschle, Patrick Leahy, Charles Schumer and Hillary Clinton are using every tactic to keep his appellate and district court nominees from being seated.

I fear that Kerry's court, assuming he wins the election, would be packed with activist liberal judges who would not rule on the letter of the law, but would continue and expand on what the supreme courts of Florida and Massachussetts, and especially the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, based in San Francisco. You know the one...taking out the "under God" in the pledge of allegiance. With Kerry's anti-gun, anti-2nd Amendment voting record, what kind of judges do you think he would appoint?

From the late 60's through the early to mid 90's, a 'liberalized' society seemed to flourish. I feel that was based on the fact that the "flower power" generation kept the line of thinking as they grew older, got jobs and had families. However, a more conservative ground swell took place in 1994, when the Republicans took control of the House of Representatives, and again four years later when 'conservatives' took control of the Senate.

Has the pendulum started to swing back to a more conservative mode of living and regard for the rule of law and social order? I hope so. As the society continues to age, it seems that they are getting more and more conservative. Wanting, no...demanding a more stringent law and order brand of politics and judicial process seems to be the norm now, but with the liberal democRATs that are still in power, they will not go easily, or quietly.

It seems to me that for too long, most of us have sat on our hands, not saying or doing too much, if anything, to correct what we see are situations that will lead, eventually, to the downfall of this great country and our way of life will be lost. It is time to quit standing on the sidelines and to stand up and do what we can to correct the situation in this country.

I write, call, fax, and email my senators at least once a month. I let them know how I feel on a lot of the legislation that they debate. I ask for their position on the legislation, but the rarely respond with anything more than a form letter that says nothing. I believe the phrase used in this forum was "their favorite color is plaid." That is no longer acceptable to me, and it shouldn't be acceptable to anyone that values their rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

It is time for each and everyone of us to get off our collective behinds and talk with our friends, family, co-workers, etc., about what we face if John Kerry is elected president, and what it means in the long-term for us, as gun owners, and for the rest of the country.

Thank you for allowing me the space to rant on...


Name:   John McCain
Re:   Keating Five
Message:
Before I ran off at the mouth I ran off with another woman!


Name:   Licensed Psychiatrist, MD
To:   Merco Moi, DMS

Re:   Gut 'em, paint 'em, pickle 'em, plant 'em!
In response to:
Remember, we are destined to destroy eachother, based on my new Theory, based on humans urge to control other humans so far as to force ideologies upon them that would actually mess with the peoples logic and inrage the public. It will not let-up and eventually patriotism will slowly become a thing of the past. Governments always act like the people need governments but it is really

Message:
You are the most whacked-out crackpot aound here, MOO. You are twice as crazy as Bordertex.


Name:   magpie
To:   spin

In response to:
Also, if Kerry does a good job of VP selection, that will help.

Message:
they have no one. the rank and file dems are so desperate that they want applehead fer christsakes. they'd have had a lot better shot if the went with lieberman. remember al 'poison' gore still has his endorsement of kerry yet to come and you can bet his numbers will plummit. your party is a joke.

it's run by crooks-huslters-queers and communists in waiting.


Name:   The Wrath of God
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In the days when the Jews were held captive, as slaves, by the Egyptian Pharoah, God sent Moses on a divine mission. He told Moses to stand before the Pharoah and demand that he "LET MY PEOPLE GO".

Message:
And when the Pharoah refused to do this, the Lord God delivered a series of "signs" and punishments, for his stubborness. He turned the river to blood, & all the fish died. The water was undrinkable. And one week later, Moses went back again & demanded "LET MY PEOPLE GO". Again the Pharoah refused, so Moses lifted up his rod, & multitudes of frogs came up out of the ponds, & came into houses and filled up the land. When the Pharoah refused again, a horde of lice, flies, & diseased cattle befell Egypt. But Moses was given the ability to stop each of these, by simply the raising of his hand. After all the cattle died, the Lord caused dust and boils to appear upon the people of Egypt, & mighty hailstorms, lightning, & many fires. The hail broke down the crops & trees of the land, & there was devastation everywhere. When Pharoah remained stubborn, Moses called down a plague of locusts that covered the whole land, & ate every green thing, even trees & fruits. Then the Lord made it grow dark, extreme darkness for 3 whole days. This again did not weaken the Pharoah's resolve. So the Lord told Moses to put blood upon their doorway, so they would not be harmed, because God would destroy every first-born in the land of Egypt, of the Pharoah, the servants & the animals.

There was not one house in Egypt that did not suffer the death of at least one member of their household, & it was usually the firstborn. At this, the Pharoah relented & let the children of Israel go out of bondage, & be free to serve the Lord in their own land. EXODUS 7: 1 to EX 12: 51.

THE POINT? God shows us certain signs & punishments when we (or our leaders) are disobedient to God's Laws. And right now, we are having locusts (cicadas), tornadoes, bad storms of all kinds, fires, hail, strange diseases, rotten crops, cow diseases, water pollution, & all manner of signs that God is angry. Considering IRAQ, I wonder why ??


Name:   Tennessee.Traveler
To:   Our System is Broken"

In response to:
fear that Kerry's court, assuming he wins the election, would be packed with activist liberal judges who would not rule on the letter of the law

Message:
Judges are supposed to be without prejudice or influence, and if they are federal judges, their appointments are for life. However, as we have all seen in the past three years, the liberals in the Senate have placed a litmus test on every Bush nomination.

They pointedly ask questions about an appointee's religion. And, being lawyers, for the most point, they also ask questions designed to elicit answers that if given, expressing a point of view, automatically disqualify them. One question asked of EVERYBush appointee is their position on Roe v. Wade, otherwise known as the 'abortion' law. Has anyone noticed that not one Catholic has made it out of committee to be voted on by the entire Senate? How about the race card being played by the liberals against Judge Pickering, who was endorsed by the NAACP for appointment? Or the tirade against the former attorney general of Alabama, not a Catholic, but a devout Christian who is personally opposed to abortion? Anyone seeing a pattern here?

It seems that the democRATs have an agenda that wants to encourage a declining birth rate among citizens, powered forward by such groups as Planned Parenthood, National Organization of Women (we know how conservative they are), and the labor unions, most specifically, the teachers union(s). All want to usurp parental authority, allowing your underage daughter to obtain an abortion without your consent or knowledge.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not preaching an anti-abortion position, merely using that as an example of what the liberals want to do, and with the appointment of more liberal activist judges, they will easily attain their agenda.


Name:   Boing Busaire
To:   Merci Moi

Re:   Boum Boum!
In response to:
God is great!

Message:
Beware the Bombay doors!!


Name:   booker
Message:
... Kerry told reporters in front of cameras, "Did the training wheels fall off?" President Bush's reply; "At least, John, I took it on the nose 'head on' instead of the @$$! 'running away'. Now, can I get a Purple Heart too?"


Name:   Democrats in Free-Fall
Message:
President Bush is suffering through the worst period for a president since the Clinton Impeachment Years and the early 1970’s yet the Democrat challenger cannot pull ahead of Bush in the polls. The most exciting pick for the Democrat challenger’s VP is a Republican. The Democrats are in deep doo doo and once their orgasm about the prison scandal wears off, they were realize it.


Name:   magpie
Message:
i heard mikey moore is working on the followup film of 'dude, where's my country?' the tentative title is 'dude, where's my ?'


Name:   Malcolm N'Boogiers
To:   Merci Moi

Re:   The Lamb of God on market day.
In response to:
Now WHO is going to pay for all OUR cities to be rebuilt, after the bombing ??

Message:
Personally, I think it's about time the Hutu paid their fair share!


Name:   Scotty
In response to:
Kerry told reporters in front of cameras, "Did the training wheels fall off?" President Bush's reply; "At least, John, I took it on the nose 'head on' instead of the @$$! 'running away'. Now, can I get a Purple Heart too?" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
Derned if GW didn't say that first" The 'silly bugger' has to learn not to make those 'high-tech' comments where Kerry can hear them, 'cause the trivial stuff really seems to really 'stick' in KERRYS' mind

What strikes me funny is that EVERYONE who has ridden a bicycle 'knows' that sooner or later everyone who rides one 'goes down'. I am a subscriber to not taunting fate; meaning, "If I bust my butt on a bicycle, I don't make fun of someone who also rides a bicycle because I 'know' one of these days I will bust MY butt and they will get the last laugh".

That hurts much more than the busted butt.


Name:   .
In response to:
i heard mikey moore is working on the followup film of 'dude, where's my country?' the tentative title is 'dude, where's my ?'

Message:
I think it is all that Exlax you are feeding us...making it 'go'


Name:   Gabriel In Shock
To:   Merci Moi

Re:   MOO must have just finished off 100 acres of loco weed.
In response to:
THE POINT? God shows us certain signs & punishments when we (or our leaders) are disobedient to God's Laws. And right now, we are having locusts (cicadas), tornadoes, bad storms of all kinds, fires, hail, strange diseases, rotten crops, cow diseases, water pollution, & all manner of signs that God is angry. Considering IRAQ, I wonder why ??

Message:
God supports John Kohn Kerry for President of the United States. If you vote for Bush, God will stop up your toilet with frogs.


Name:   Ray Davies
To:   Forum

Message:
I urge all of my readers to make copies of this report and send them to your friends and relatives. The information is too critical to be over looked in the madness of this election year. Watching and listening to the Democrat Party candidates is tantamount to enduring the Chinese water torture. The blah, blah, blah goes on and on and nothing of value comes out except the pain of listening to the same nothingness over and over again. I won't take the time or space to repeat what you have heard so many mind numbing times but what you have not heard is crucial.

President Bush and his administration spokesmen are not telling the American people what they really need to know about this "war." If they don't do that between now and November it may cost them the election. The war against terror did not begin on September 11, 2001, nor will it end with the peaceful transition to civilian authority in Iraq, whenever that may be. In fact, Iraq is but a footnote in the bigger context of this encounter, but an important one none the less.

This war is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the "Third Great Jihad." They are operating within the framework of a time line which reaches back to the very creation of Islam in the seventh century and are presently attempting to recreate the dynamics which gave rise to the religion in the first two hundred years of it's existence. No religion in history grew as fast, in its infancy, and the reasons for the initial growth of Islam are not hard to explain when you understand what the world was like at the time of Muhammed's death in 632 AD. Remember that the Western Roman Empire was in ruins and the Eastern Empire, based in Constantinople, was trying desperately to keep the power of its early grandeur while transitioning to Christianity as a de facto state religion. The costs to the average person were large as he was being required to meet the constantly rising taxes levied by the state along with the tithes coerced by the Church. What Islam offered was the "carrot or the sword". If you became a convert, your taxes were immediately eliminated, as was your tithe. If you didn't, you faced death. The choice was not hard for most to make, unless you were a very devoted martyr in the making. At the beginning, even the theology was not too hard for most to swallow, considering that both Jewry and Christianity were given their due by the Prophet. There is but one God-Allah, and Muhammed is His Prophet, as was Jesus, and the pre-Christian Jewish prophets of the Torah (Old Testament). Both were called "children of the book", the book being the Koran, which replaced both the Old and New Testaments for former Christians and Jews. With this practical approach to spreading the "word" Islam grew like wild-fire, reaching out from the Saudi Arabian Peninsula in all directions.

This early growth is what the Muslims call the "First" great Jihad and it met with little resistance until Charles Martel of France, the father of Charlemagne, stopped them in the battle of Tours in France, after they had firmly established Islam on the Iberian Peninsula. This first onslaught against the West continued in various forms and at various times until Islam was finally driven out of Spain in 1492 at the battle of Granada.

The "Second great jihad" came with the Ottoman Turks. This empire succeeded in bringing about the downfall of Constantinople as a Christian stronghold and an end to Roman hegemony in all of its forms. The Ottoman Empire was Islam's most successful expansion of territory even though the religion itself had fractured into warring sects and bitter rivalries with each claiming the ultimate truths in "the ways of the Prophet". By 1683 the Ottomans had suffered a series of defeats on both land and sea and the final, unsuccessful attempt to capture Vienna set the stage for the collapse of any further territorial ambitions and Islam shrunk into various sheikhdoms, emir dominated principalities, and roving tribes of nomads. However, by this time a growing anti-western sentiment, blaming its internal failures on anyone but themselves, was taking hold and setting the stage for a new revival known as Wahhabism, a sect which came into full bloom under the House of Saud on the Arabian Peninsula shortly before the onset of WWI. It is this Wahhabi version of Islam which has infected the religion itself, now finding adherents in almost all branches and sects, especially the Shiites. Wahhabiism calls for the complete and total rejection or destruction of anything and everything which is not based in the original teachings of The Prophet and finds its most glaring practice in the policies of the Afghani Taliban or the Shiite practices of the late Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. It’s Ali Pasha (Field Marshall) is now known as Osama bin Laden, the leader of the "Third Jihad", who is Wahhabi as were his 9/11 attack teams, 18 of which were also Saudi. The strategy for this "holy war" did not begin with the planning of the destruction of the World Trade Center. It began with the toppling of the Shah of Iran back in the late 1970's. With his plans and programs to "westernize" his country, along with his close ties to the U. S. and subdued acceptance of the State of Israel, the Shah was the soft target. Remember "America Held Hostage"? Thanks, in large part to the hypocritical and disastrous policies of the Jimmy Carter State Department, the revolution was set into motion, the Shah was deposed, his armed forces scattered or murdered and stage one was complete.

The Third Jihad now had a base of operations and the oil wealth to support its grand design or what they call the "Great Caliphate". What this design calls for is the replacement of all secular leadership in any country with Muslim majorities. This would include, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, all the Emirates, Sudan, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Malaysia, Indonesia and finally what they call the "occupied territory" Israel. As a part of this strategy, forces of the jihad will infiltrate governments and the military as a prelude to taking control, once the secular leadership is ousted or assassinated. Such was the case in Lebanon leading to the Syrian occupation and in Egypt with the murder of Anwar Sadat, along with the multiple attempts on the lives of Hussein in Jordan, Mubarak of Egypt and Musharraf in Pakistan. Pakistan is a particular prize because of its nuclear weapons. (Please note al Qaeda call for the Islamic militant overthrow of Musharraf in Pakistan on March 25, (just yesterday.) The long-range strategy of the Third Jihad counts on three strategic goals.

First, the U. S. withdrawing from the region just as it did in Southeast Asia, following Vietnam. Second, taking control of the oil wealth in the Muslim countries, which would be upwards to 75% of known reserves; third, using nuclear weapons or other WMDs to annihilate Israel. A further outcome of successfully achieving these objectives would be to place the United Nations as the sole arbiter in East/West negotiations and paralyze western resistance, leading to total withdrawal from all Islamic dominated countries. Evidence of the Bush Administration awareness of this plan is found in the events immediately following the 9/11 attack. The administration's first move was to shore up Pakistan and Egypt, believing that these two would be the next targets for al Qaeda, while Americans focused on the disaster in New York. The administration also knew that the most important objective was to send a loud and clear message that the U. S. was in the region to stay, not only to shore up our allies but to send a message to the Jihadists. The attack on Afghanistan was necessary to break-up a secure al Qaeda base of operations and put their leadership on the run or in prison. The war in Iraq also met a very strategic necessity in that no one knew how much collaboration existed between Saddam Hussein and the master planners of the Third Jihad or Hussein's willingness to hand off WMDs to terrorist groups including the PLO in Israel. What was known were serious indications of on-going collaboration as Saddam funneled money to families of suicide bombers attacking the Israelis and others in Kuwait. What the U. S. needed to establish was a significant base of operations smack dab in the middle of the Islamic world, in a location which effectively cut it in half. Iraq was the ideal target for this and a host of other strategic reasons. Leadership of various anti-American groups both here and abroad understood the vital nature of the Bush initiative and thus launched their demonstrations, world-wide, to "Stop The War". Failing this, they also laid plans to build a political campaign inside the country, with the War in Iraq as a plebiscite, using a little known politician as the thrust point-Howard Dean. This helps to explain how quickly the Radical Left moved into the Dean campaign with both people and money, creating what the clueless media called the "Dean Phenomenon". By building on the left-wing base in the Democrat party and the "Hate Bush" crowd, the campaign has already resulted in a consensus among the aspirants, minus Joe Lieberman, to withdraw the U. S. from Iraq and turn the operation over to the U. N. And, if past is prologue, i.e.: Vietnam, once the U. S. leaves it will not go back under any circumstances, possibly even the destruction of Israel. Should George W. Bush be defeated in November we could expect to see the dominoes start to fall in the secular Islamic countries and The Clash of Civilizations, predicted several years ago by Samuel Huntington, would then become a life changing event in all of our lives.

What surprised the Jihadists following the 9/11 attack was how American sentiment mobilized around the president and a profound sense of patriotism spread across the country. They were not expecting this reaction, based on what had happened in the past, nor were they expecting the determined resolve of the President himself. I also believe this is one of the reasons we have not had any further attacks within our borders. They are content to wait, just as one of their tactical mentors; V. I. Lenin admonished..."two steps forward, one step back".

A couple additional events serve as valuable footnotes to the current circumstances we face: the destruction of the human assets factor of the CIA during the Carter presidency, presided over by the late Senator Frank Church. This fact has plagued our intelligence agencies right up to this very day with consequences which are now obvious. And, Jimmy Carter himself, the one man who must bear the bulk of the responsibility for setting the stage of the Third Jihad. Americans should find little comfort in how the Democrat contenders constantly seek the "advice and counsel" of this despicable little hypocrite.

Lastly, we should not expect to see any meaningful cooperation from Western Europe, especially the French. Since failing to protect their own interests in Algeria (by turning the country over to the first of the Arab terrorists, Ammad Ben Bella), the country itself is now occupied by Islamic immigrants totaling twenty percent of the population.

We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on for many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are facing or falter in the challenge of "knowing our enemy" the results will be catastrophic. Imagine a world where al Qaeda regimes control 75% of the world's oil, have at their disposal nuclear weapons, legions of willing suicide soldiers, and our national survival is dependent on the good graces of Kofi Annan and the United Nations.

There is one final footnote which may be the scariest of all. Either none of the Democrats currently leading the drive to their party's nomination are aware of the facts of the Great Caliphate and Third Jihad or they do know and they don't care so long as their power lust is satisfied. But, I can guarantee you one thing for sure: some of their most ardent supporters are aware of this and will do anything they can to bring it about.

********************End of Report**********************

Note... this was written before John Kerry had the nomination sewed up... but recent events clearly demonstrate that Kerry is going to fulfill Abraham's prediction of the Democrats calling for the UN and the French/Germans/Spain coalition to force the US out of Iraq. Also understand that the current 9/11 hearings are a political show and Clarke's book were timed for these hearings and the campaign. And this is why Condoleeza Rice is seeking a private meeting with this commission to "tell it like it is". The national security issues involved around 9/11 cannot be an open book to the public, and I believe we have to understand that. This is scary stuff. President Bush and the Republicans are obviously extremely cautious in bringing this issue to the campaign because the left-leaning media and the Kerry Democratic left would call this "racist" against Islam and a distraction for the alleged lies of WMD and our reasons for going into Iraq. Bush correctly referred to the "axis of evil" (Iran, Libya, Iraq and North Korea) as a pointed strategy to blunt the WMD-terrorist movement and he has been very successful in thwarting al Qaeda, despite what everyone on the left says. We are far better off without the threat from Iraq and Libya all within the last 12 months. We are threatened in Pakistan and if Musharraf is assassinated (it's been tried several times in the past year), we can see how the militants will gain control of Pakistan's nuclear weapons, which have already spread to Iran (by a militant Islamic scientist) and if Musharraf is "taken out" we have both Iran and Pakistan as militant Islamic power bases armed with nuclear weapons.

And let's not overlook Abraham's issue about the potential for militant Islamic states who would control 75% of the world's oil. I strongly believe this is why Cheney, Rice, Powell, and Wolfowitz are so committed to the belief that we are in this struggle for the free world as we have known it and focused on defeating the militant Islamic-al Qaeda's global strategy. They skirt the core issues raised by Abraham in this article because of the political-correctness implications, but after reading this, you understand what is at stake here.

Kerry and the liberal Democrats want control of Washington at any price. Abraham clearly spells out what price that is: Victory for al Qaeda and the Islamic militancy.

Abraham's article brought all of these issues together and why it is important for us to gain this perspective and educate our friends and associates. And to my Democratic friends, I still love you, but... at least consider this point of view by Abraham. I have never been so deeply impressed with such a cogent and intelligent overview of the militant Islamic movement as I was with Abraham's column. Pass on Abraham's article to those who have a need to know, which is just about everybody.


Name:   Tape ran out
To:   forum

Re:   Bill Cosby has a Doctorate and it shows
In response to:
What Dr. Bill Cosby actually said verbatum.

Message:
Washington Post (5/19/04) reprinted in many newspapers across the country left out an important piece of information from Cosby's remarks at a gala in honor of the 50th anniversary of Brown V. Board of Education organized by the NAACP Legal Defense Fund in Washington, DC last Monday.

Cosby says the article in the Post failed to mention that his remarks were specifically in context to addressing the epidemic of an estimated 50% of African American males in the inner city that are dropping out of school.

Here's what Cosby is quoted as saying at the dinner:

"Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids – $500 sneakers for what? And won't spend $200 for 'Hooked on Phonics.'

He added: "They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!"

The Post article inaccurately characterized Cosby's remarks as a general criticism of the black lower economic classes the Cosby camp says.

Cosby explains that his comments were intended to be a call to action, to "turn the mirror around on ourselves."

"I think that it is time for concerned African Americans to march, galvanize and raise the awareness about this epidemic to transform our helplessness, frustration and righteous indignation into a sense of shared responsibility and action."

So what do you think of this controversy? Hit us back at: MYfeedback@eurweb.com.


Name:   The Poker
To:   kinks fans

In response to:
The Third Jihad now had a base of operations and the oil wealth to support its grand design or what they call the "Great Caliphate". What this design calls for is the replacement of all secular leadership in any country with Muslim majorities. This would include, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, all the Emirates, Sudan, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Malaysia, Indonesia and finally what they call the

Message:
A great read... Am soaking it up right now... Can't find any reason to discredit it. And, it is in line with the teachings from one of my previous pastors. His premise was that we are fighting an powerful sect that is bent on doing away with Christianity, and as such is the work of the devil. Which is not counter to the thesis above.


Name:   Individual
In response to:
activist liberal judges who would not rule on the letter of the law

Message:
Hah. Ever heard of the 10th Article of Amendment which was passed in 1791 by the founding fathers?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

If judges ruled on the letter of the law, then many state laws would be subject to review by the federal courts. The federal courts would have to decide whether the power described in the state law belonged "to the [State] respectively, or to the people." The federal courts would be involved because any case brought would be a case arising under the constitution (Article III). Moreover, since the case involves a state, the Supreme court, itself, would have original jurisdiction (Article III). That's the letter of the law.


Name:   Danny Jo
Message:


Name:   Toasted Cheese Curls
To:   Individual

In response to:
judges ruled on the letter of the law, then many state laws would be subject to review by the federal courts. The federal courts would have to decide whether the power described in the state law belonged "to the [State] respectively, or to the people." The federal courts would be involved because any case brought would be a case arising under the constitution (Article III). Moreover, since the case involves a state, the Supreme

Message:
Out of the mouths of babes...or other liars! LOL


Name:   Killer Nado
Re:   Remember When
Message:
Monday, May 17, 2004 They Said It! (Gov. Howard Dean [D-VT])

"And [Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT)] also attacked Mr. Kerry's candidacy, saying he thought the senator would be a weak contender in the general election. 'He's going to have a hard time if he's the nominee,' Dr. Dean said. 'I think electability's a real issue for him. He appears to change his mind so often.' Dr. Dean went on to assert that Mr. Kerry's 'credibility is under enormous attack, repeatedly,' citing his votes in favor of the use of force in Iraq and of President Bush's education plan. 'He has this pattern,' Dr. Dean said, 'you saw it with No Child Left Behind, you saw it with the war, you see it with special interests, which I think is terribly damaging. It appears that his word is no good.'" (Adam Nagourney, "For Kerry And Edwards, Sharp Exchanges Reflect A Crucial Day Of Voting," The New York Times, 2/3/04)


Name:   Citizen
To:   forum

In response to:
Clinton said, "I don't think we have any alternatives." And Graham said, "If we lose Iraq -- if it fails to go from a dictatorship to a democracy -- then we've had a great setback in the Mideast."

Message:
Ain't it neat..how we can invade a foreign country and kill everybody who don't subscribe to our dictates ?

A country,by the way,that NEVER HARMED A SINGLE AMERICAN CITIZEN...near as I can tell,from the garbled cacophangy that eminates from that bastion of purity and honesty,Washington,D.C. ?


Name:   Individual
In response to:
This war is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the "Third Great Jihad."

Message:
The relgious flakes are everywhere, even in the U.S. But the religious flakes here, with a few exceptions, are not violent. The religious flakes in this country just want to control our everyday behavior--be good boys and girls.

The jihadis are really bad. And not until all of the powers that be in the Arab world are in unison (or almost in unison) against targeting civilians for suicide missions will there be any hope for peace with these dips.


Name:   burst bubbles
To:   Individual

In response to:
The relgious flakes are everywhere, even in the U.S. But the religious flakes here, with a few exceptions, are not violent. The religious flakes in this country just want to control our everyday behavior--be good boys and girls

Message:
I could argue, but what is the sense when what we BELIEVE is 180 degrees out of phase?


Name:   .
In response to:
Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent to direct us to the center of Your will and to openly ask these things in the name of Your Son, the living Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen!"

Message:
"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."


Name:   Kingfisher County Albatross
Message:
this would be "prisoner abuse" ....


Name:   Lord of Flies
To:   Rightwing idiots

Message:
Et should remove all this rightwing Bs.


Name:   Lord of Flies
Message:
Im going to take this site out if the rightwing will not leave this forum!


Name:   G.I. Joe
To:   Kingfisher County Albatross

Re:   So what happened to the French looking executioner?
In response to:
"Look at these holes in my shirt! You make sweet talk with the maid while ironing! This will be a lesson to all houseboy who burn holes in favourite shirt!"

Small pistol:BLAM! Houseboy to ground: FLOP.

Message:
The other famous picture was the Buddist priest who really knew how to cook!


Name:   Sul Rost
To:   Ray

Re:   This prayer shucks right down to the cob!
In response to:
Something to Think About: For all its foibles, fau paus, and frivolity: for all its 41 shots with 19 that connect, for all that goes wrong in America: It is STILL the best country in the world!

Message:
I like the United States of America

I like the way we all live without fear

I like to vote for my choice

Speak my mind, raise my voice!

Yes. I like it here!

I am so lucky to be an American!

And I am thankful each day of the year!

Yes, I like it, I like it, I like it here!

***And may Almighty God have mercy on your soul, if you didn't get a love of country from your public schooling. By Jove, I did. And we had a George Beverly Sheaversion of "the Lord's Prayer " played over the speaker system every Monday morning and stood for the pledge of Allegence" every day. I think there was a moment of silence after the playing of the "Lord's Prayer". Later they attempted to play a different version of this record, but so many students objected that they found another copy and kept on keeping on!


Name:   iNDIVIDUAL
In response to:
Deputy U.S. Ambassador James Cunningham acknowledged there was no authority for Iraq to ask foreign troops to leave. But, quoting earlier remarks from Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites), he said, "The United States has said we will leave if there is a request by the Iraqi government to leave."

Message:
Sounds like "cut-and-run" all the way.


Name:   Individual
In response to:
And we had a George Beverly Sheaversion of "the Lord's Prayer " played over the speaker system every Monday morning

Message:
But Jesus said to go into your closet to pray--even George Beverly Shea version. Why would you do it over the loudspeaker?


Name:   BN
Message:

Howard Dean Appeals to and Aryan Nation for Votes

11/3/2003 - William Grim

Skeeter Flats, Mississippi - Democrat presidential front-runner Howard Dean raised eyebrows yesterday when he addressed the national meeting of the American White People’s Alliance and appealed to klansmen and white supremacists to return to “the Democrat Party of George Wallace, Lester Maddux and Jefferson Davis.”

“The Democrat Party is a big umbrella,” said Dean. “It’s big enough for n*****s and n*****-haters alike.”

Dean then went on to denounce President George W. Bush, who is fluent in Spanish, as a “good-fer-nuthin’ taco lover” and said that if Bush is re-elected “Mexicans will be running wild in the streets and deflowering Christian white women and them there Cubans will play their bongos on Sundays when all good folks should be at church.”

Dean also said that if he is elected he intends to replace “The Star-Spangled Banner” with “Dixie,” will make Robert E. Lee’s Birthday a national holiday and will make miscegenation a death penalty offense.


Name:   Why John Kerry will never be president
In response to:
What strikes me funny is that EVERYONE who has ridden a bicycle 'knows' that sooner or later everyone who rides one 'goes down'. I am a subscriber to not taunting fate; meaning, "If I bust my butt on a bicycle, I don't make fun of someone who also rides a bicycle because I 'know' one of these days I will bust MY butt and they will get the last laugh".

Message:
Kerry fell off his bike a few weeks ago. Bush did not make fun of him.


Name:   bn
Message:

Michael Moore Mistakes Cannes Award
for Chocolate Eclair


Name:   Democrats
Re:   Keeping the Darkies on the Democrat Plantation
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Name:   Why do Democrats
Message:

“We stand very much with what's behind the billboard,” said the Democratic Party's executive director, Jim Kottmeyer. “It has nothing to do with race.”

Source


Name:   Is Left Wing a mental illness?
Message:

"Now I am really ashamed to carry an American passport. Not even the foulest atrocities of Adolf Hitler ever shocked me so badly as these photographs[Iraqi prison hazing] did. "

-Hunter S. Thompson (drug addicted umber-left-winger)

There you have it. Put a man on a leash or forcing men to wear women's underwear on their heads in worse than the holocaust. Is Left Wing a mental illness?


Name:   Tad Jinks
In response to:
We stand very much with what's behind the billboard,” said the Democratic Party's executive director, Jim Kottmeyer. “It has nothing to do with race.”

Message:
what a screwed up thing.democrats have sunk low


Name:   Techno Pride Day
Message:

Socialism Is Truth!


Name:   Democrats
Message:

"'It's going to make a mockery out of the nomination process for the Democratic Party,' said Boston City Councilor James M. Kelly. 'People come from across the country, and the purpose of them being here is to nominate a candidate for the party.' If Kerry goes ahead with the delay, Kelly predicted 'frustration and anger' among city residents and convention delegates who find, on top of traffic jams, that their part in history has been taken from them."


Name:   Right Wing Pirahna #3
To:   Luke Sable

Re:   Mine is bigger than your's
Message:
Currently most systems run v90.

But I'll give you $100 for it.

8^)


Name:   ?
Re:   I read today, Buddism is the fourth largest religion...
Message:
Who are the first three???


Name:   Bobby Lee Tannenbaun
To:   Merci MOO

Re:   First it's planes, then it's likker, Marlboros, and pickup trucks.
In response to:
Bush has bungled. He let Iraquis buy our airplanes. (Anything for Republican greed). Now WHO is going to pay for all OUR cities to be rebuilt, after the bombing ??

Message:
Flatt & Scruggs?


Name:   The Cold Hard Facts
In response to:
Who are the first three???

Message:
Top World Religions

1. Christianity

2. Islam (we love you, now convert or die)

3. Hinduism

4. Buddhism

5. Judaism (the worship of Judy Tenuta, no wait, that is Judyism)

6. Sikhism (ask one to show you their knife)

7. Baha'i (The Bob!)

8. Confucianism

9. Jainism (got me)

10. Shintoism

11. Wicca (bubble bubble toil and trouble)

12. Zoroastrianism (thus spoke)


Name:   More Bad News for Democrats
Message:
USA Today: Employment has picked up significantly this year in a number of closely contested states that could decide the outcome of the 2004 presidential election. The latest Labor Department figures on state jobs show that 10 of the 17 states expected to be the most tightly contested this campaign season were among the fastest-growing job markets in the country in April.


Name:   Why do Left Wingers lie so much
Re:   Michael Moore, caught in a lie again.
Message:

Michael Moore and Me
From the May 31, 2004 issue: An encounter with the Cannes man.
by Fred Barnes
05/31/2004, Volume 009, Issue 36

A FEW YEARS AGO Michael Moore, who's now promoting an anti-President Bush movie entitled Fahrenheit 9/11, announced he'd gotten the goods on me, indeed hung me out to dry on my own words. It was in his first bestselling book, Stupid White Men. Moore wrote he'd once been "forced" to listen to my comments on a TV chat show, The McLaughlin Group. I had whined "on and on about the sorry state of American education," Moore said, and wound up by bellowing: "These kids don't even know what The Iliad and The Odyssey are!"

Moore's interest was piqued, so the next day he said he called me. "Fred," he quoted himself as saying, "tell me what The Iliad and The Odyssey are." I started "hemming and hawing," Moore wrote. And then I said, according to Moore: "Well, they're . . . uh . . . you know . . . uh . . . okay, fine, you got me--I don't know what they're about. Happy now?" He'd smoked me out as a fraud, or maybe worse.

The only problem is none of this is true. It never happened. Moore is a liar. He made it up. It's a fabrication on two levels. One, I've never met Moore or even talked to him on the phone. And, two, I read both The Iliad and The Odyssey in my first year at the University of Virginia. Just for the record, I'd learned what they were about even before college. Like everyone else my age, I got my classical education from the big screen. I saw the Iliad movie called Helen of Troy and while I forget the name of the Odyssey film, I think it starred Kirk Douglas as Odysseus.

So why didn't I scream bloody murder when the book came out in 2001? I didn't learn about the phony anecdote until it was brought to my attention by Alan Wolfe, who was reviewing Moore's book for the New Republic. He asked, by email, if the story were true. I said no, not a word of it, and Wolfe quoted me as saying that. That was enough, I thought. After all, who would take a shrill, lying lefty like Moore seriously?

More people than I thought. Moore's new movie attacking Bush was given a 20-minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival. Moore has described the movie as breaking new ground and revealing new facts, but the accounts by reviewers suggest it merely provides the standard left-wing, conspiratorial critique of the president. Reviewer Lou Lumenick of the New York Post, who gave Moore's previous movie Bowling for Columbine four stars, said the anti-Bush film would be news only "if you spent the last three years hiding in a cave in Afghanistan." Still, I suppose it's not surprising they loved it in France.

In publicizing the movie, Moore has been up to his old dishonest tricks. Just before the screening at Cannes, he charged that Disney had told him "officially" the day before that it would not distribute Fahrenheit 9/11. Moore said this was an attempt to kill the film. He indicated a newspaper article had the correct explanation of Disney's decision: "According to today's New York Times, it might 'endanger' millions of dollars of tax breaks Disney receives from the state of Florida because the film will 'anger' the governor of Florida, Jeb Bush."

Later, in a CNN interview, Moore admitted he'd learned nearly a year ago that Disney would not distribute the movie. By pretending he'd just gotten word of this, Moore was involved in a cheap publicity stunt. And it wasn't the New York Times that said, on its own, that Disney feared losing tax breaks. It was Moore's agent who was quoted as saying that in the Times. Disney denied its president Michael Eisner had told the agent of any such fear. "We informed both the agency that represented the film and all of our companies that we just didn't want to be in the middle of a politically oriented film during an election year," Eisner told ABC News.

Where does this leave us? I think it's time for Moore to be held accountable. In Stupid White Men, he has 18 pages of "Notes and Sources," but he offers no evidence for the sham interview with me--no date, no transcript. How could he, since the interview never happened?

I have just the person to look into Moore's lies and distortions. Al Franken has taken special interest in public liars, writing a bestseller called Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. Al, the Moore case is now in your court


Name:   magpie
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What a speech! what bush lacks in delivery he makes up in sincerity and determination. I didn;t vote for him last time but I will be voting for him this year. the good news is i now live in florida. so do my wife-kids and people i've converted since i've been here.

this was by far the best speech i've heard him give. Jeb 2008!


Name:   Patriot
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What a speech! what bush lacks in delivery he makes up in sincerity and determination

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I agree, what really gets me upset is the war is actually going well yet the press and the dems have convinced a majority of Americans that we are in trouble. The truth is that America under the steady leadership of George Bush has been slowly methodically marching towards a total victory in Iraq. Does this mean it has been easy or painless, no it means that our objectives will be realized and a nuclear bomb against terror will have been dropped. I say look back in 5 to 10 years and I think Iraq will be a huge victory in the war on terror.


Name:   Moderate
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Michael Moore, prophet, genius, regular American guy!

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I think Michael Moore should get a Cabinet position in the new Kerry administration.


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