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Sticking Up for RumsfeldPublished: May 22, 2004
But those demands strike me as unfair and premature. Frankly, I'm astonished to be speaking up for Mr. Rumsfeld. But fairness must govern our handling of American defense secretaries as well as Iraqi prisoners. The central point is that we have no proof that Mr. Rumsfeld bears direct responsibility for the torture. So far the evidence is mixed about whether there was a policy of abusing prisoners to get intelligence. It's troubling that there was similar misconduct in Afghanistan, and that some of the techniques reflect expertise in torture. On the other hand, interviews with inmates and guards alike have suggested that most of the really horrifying abuses may have been limited to the night shift at one cellblock of one particular prison. The latest revelations from The Washington Post are horrifying; guards threw inmates' food into toilets and tortured them into renouncing their religion. So we need a thorough investigation. If Mr. Rumsfeld turns out to be complicit, he must go. But if, as Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba has said in his report (deservedly praised as tough and unsparing), the problems were at much lower levels, then why make a scapegoat of the defense secretary? It's true that the torture arose in a climate of administration contempt for the Geneva Conventions, particularly reflected in those shameful Justice Department memos outlining loopholes so the U.S. could evade responsibility for war crimes. But this disregard for ethics and law arose mostly from the White House and the Justice Department. The better argument for Mr. Rumsfeld's ouster is that he led us, poorly prepared and clutching the hands of a charlatan, Ahmad Chalabi, into a quagmire. His doctrine of underwhelming force hobbled our occupation and is partly responsible for the mess. According to a poll cited in The Financial Times, 58 percent of Iraqis now support Moktada al-Sadr, one of our enemies. But remember: this is not Mr. Rumsfeld's war. It is Mr. Rumsfeld is not a neo-conservative hawk. He is an old-fashioned conservative, a realist like the first President Bush, and he did not particularly press for war with Iraq. The real culprits are the neo-con ideologues who screamed for war: people like Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Scooter Libby and the current President Bush himself. Mr. Rumsfeld did not display the wisdom of Colin Powell, who pushed back against Mr. Bush in the run-up to war. But neither was he a jingoist. According to Bob Woodward's new book, Mr. Rumsfeld spent meetings asking questions rather than taking positions. So why fire Mr. Rumsfeld for carrying out his boss's invasion? True, he has managed it poorly, and there's an argument for firing Mr. Rumsfeld for incompetence. But how do we justify retaining Mr. Cheney, who bears central responsibility for everything that has gone wrong, and George Tenet, who managed both to miss the 9/11 plot and to "find" slam-dunk evidence of Iraqi W.M.D.? Indeed, under the neo-cons the war would have been even more mishandled. Mr. Wolfowitz believed that a small number of troops could seize Iraq's southern oil fields and that Saddam's regime would then fall. What would firing Mr. Rumsfeld achieve? In its favor, it would send a message to the world that we are as appalled by our own war crimes as by Saddam's. But it would also leave a vacuum. The people immediately below Mr. Rumsfeld — Mr. Wolfowitz and Mr. Feith — are more culpable and would need to follow him out the door. Emptying the top three jobs in the Pentagon would be a nice gesture of accountability, but would also lead to paralysis and more Americans coming home in body bags. So until proof emerges that Mr. Rumsfeld was directly connected to the torture, it would be unfair to single him out. That's why only 20 percent of Americans say in an ABC poll that Mr. Rumsfeld should lose his job. Even Democrats oppose firing Mr. Rumsfeld by a ratio of two to one. The person who charted the course into Iraq and who bears ultimate responsibility is not Mr. Rumsfeld but Mr. Bush — and his bosses will get a chance to fire him in November. source...
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Washington -- House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco rejected Republican demands Thursday that she apologize for her strong condemnation of President Bush, as raw nerves over Iraq collided with raw politics on Capitol Hill.
Republican leaders accused Pelosi of taunting the troops, inspiring the enemy and putting American lives at risk by telling The Chronicle on Wednesday that Bush is an "incompetent leader'' who lacks the judgment, experience or knowledge to make good decisions.
Pelosi stood her ground, telling reporters that "the emperor has no clothes." With the violence in Iraq threatening to overshadow all other issues in the coming election season, each party claimed to possess the moral high ground in setting the rules for debate.
"She apparently is so caught up in the partisan hatred for President Bush that her words are putting American lives at risk,'' said House Majority leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas. "This nation cannot afford the luxury of her dangerous rhetoric.''
Countered one Democratic leader: "Frankly, that's McCarthyism.''
The sharp response to Pelosi's words reflected the passion and political stakes over the situation in Iraq and came as Bush made a rare visit to the Capitol to rally Republicans. GOP lawmakers, who just this week had been fighting among themselves over how to proceed in Iraq, emerged from the closed- door meeting expressing optimism, though it appeared that Pelosi's comments might have done as much to bring Republicans together as Bush's visit.
The Speaker of the House, the Republican National Committee and the Bush- Cheney re-election committee, among others, issued statements excoriating Pelosi for both the tone and the substance of her remarks in The Chronicle. By evening, the Republican Party distributed an 11-page critique of Pelosi's liberal record as a member of Congress titled, "Totally San Fran: 17 years of San Francisco Liberalism.''
Pelosi told reporters, "The time has come to speak very frankly about the lack of leadership in the White House.
"So the emperor has no clothes. When are people going to face the reality? Pull the curtain back.''
At the White House, press secretary Scott McClellan said, "I don't think that such comments are worth dignifying with any response from this podium.''
But across the Potomac at Bush-Cheney re-election headquarters, campaign chair Marc Racicot said the comments were "a reprehensible attempt to blame America for the action of terrorists and represent a fundamental misunderstanding of the war on terror.''
Apparently sensing that the tone of her remarks will turn off many voters, Racicot called on John Kerry, the party's presumptive presidential nominee, to renounce them, even as he said that Kerry had already "come dangerously close'' to advocating the "blame-America-first'' attitude that he said marked Pelosi's comments.
Kerry said in an interview with La Opinion, a Spanish language newspaper, that Pelosi had the right to speak her own opinion, but he did not say whether he shared her assessments of Bush's lack of leadership ability.
House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said Pelosi "has the right to disagree with President Bush.''
"But her comments questioning the president's competence cross the line, '' Hastert said. "Was it incompetence that put Saddam Hussein in jail? Was it incompetence that disbanded the Taliban? Was it incompetence that spurred the fastest economic growth rate in 20 years? Was it incompetence that created the highest home ownership rate in history?''
Rep. Tom Reynolds, the chair of the House Republicans re-election committee, said, "If Nancy Pelosi has nothing to offer our troops, who are living and dying thousands of miles away, besides taunting them by saying they are dying needlessly and are risking their lives on a shallow mission, then she should go back to her pastel-colored condo in San Francisco and keep her views to herself.''
Pelosi lives in a red brick home in Pacific Heights.
Pelosi told reporters at her weekly news conference that it was Bush's "activities, his decisions, the results of his actions (that) undermines his leadership, not my statements. My statements are just a statement of fact.
"Understand that when our kids are in harm's way, we are united -- it is one team, one fight. But they cannot say that anybody who criticizes their failures to be not supportive of our troops. It is the very support of the troops that provokes the candor that we must have about what's happening with this war, the cost in lives ... the cost in dollars to the taxpayer, and the cost in reputation to our country.''
No Democrat offered a public challenge to Pelosi's comments, which were the strongest yet by a Democratic leader.
"In fact, what she said is what many people are thinking,'' said Rep. Robert Matsui, D-Sacramento, who heads the House Democrats campaign committee. "I think many Democrats want our leaders to speak out on these issues.''
Matsui echoed Pelosi's critique of Bush, calling developments in Iraq a sign of the president's "either being clueless, or being incompetent.''
As for the charge that such criticisms are inappropriate during a time of war, Matsui said: "Frankly, that's McCarthyism.''
E-mail Marc Sandalow at msandalow@sfchronicle.com.
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| Name: | Black Sands |
| To: | Nancy Pelosi |
| Re: | From a doctor friend of mine to Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi |
(Presumptuous, and probably crude of me to address you on a first name basis, but I’m a long time Marina constituent and met you once at a KTVU Christmas party in the Swig suite at the Fairmont. Somehow, this letter wouldn’t feel right addressed to Congresswoman P, or Minority Leader P, or Mrs. P. Just a way of saying I feel safe doing it this way, because that’s the feeling of warmth you’ve created for your SF constituents. Forgive me.)
To the point:
I am so profoundly disturbed by President Bush and his administration, that I literally fear the destruction of America (if not already a fait accompli) at a wide range of levels. This fear pre-occupies my attention for hours on end each day. I cringe at each death in Iraq, American or foreign. I truly believe these soldiers of conscience have been sent to the slaughter in vain; only to satisfy the personal desires of a literal madman. Most of them have been deluded into believing that their cause is just by the patently dishonest justification(s) of their Commander-in-Chief and his administration. As an American, whose father served on the shores of Normandy during D-Day, I find all of this grossly immoral, if not criminal (in the sense of Nuremburg). I never thought this possible, but I am currently embarrassed to be identified as an American.
I am a licensed psychiatrist. If someone came into my office and told me he was wielding the mightiest of military powers, because “I deeply believe, and know I am right, and that I confirmed it, not from my predecessor in these matters—my father, rather I confirmed it by communicating with a “higher” father, and in spite of all the bad news coming out of Iraq, I have complete faith that we’re on the right track,” I would be forced by professional ethics to consider hospitalization, serious medication, and long-term psychotherapy. I could elaborate at length, however, my point is this: I strongly believe the lunatics are running the asylum.
As you know, I could go on—the destruction of the environment, the massive job loss, the economy, the paranoid need for secrecy, the coddling of criminals (Who outed Plame?), the total loss of prestige and credibility in the world community (which quietly treats our President with head-shaking, tittering derision), the huge deficit, the inability to be contrite—let alone admit mistakes, lying to the United States Congress about the actual cost of the new Medicare Prescription Drug Program, the blatantly personal profiteering from being in control of the government and the national treasury, the blatant use of totally untruthful strategies for staying in power, the madness…….
They succeeded in impeaching Bill Clinton for a whole lot less. (“Nobody died when Clinton lied.”)
Everything in my gut, as a dedicated and deeply patriotic American citizen, as a trying-to-be-moral human being, as a psychiatrist, and as a pragmatist, fearing that the US is about to be destroyed, whether by “terrorists” or from the very core of the engine that powers it, I think that George W. Bush ought to be impeached by the US Congress, and I think that it should happen now, before the damage continues to the frightening inevitable.
(At last ) My question is, “On what grounds could this president be legitimately charged with High Crimes and Misdemeanors, justifying impeachment proceedings by the House?
If there are no such grounds, technically, wouldn’t you say the system is kind of flawed, given the Clinton impeachment?
I realize the impracticality of my proposal, right here, right now, at the near peak of the election campaign, wherein every debatable issue is tainted with politics, especially when there are only 6 months to go. But given the way events are currently unfolding, it seems that nearly every scenario involving this administration running the war and running internal affairs ends in disaster.
Those of us who are paying attention and who are thoughtful can clearly see the madness in operation. Our Constitution gives us the mechanism to prevent the takeover of government by zealous ideologues. I see what’s happening; you see what’s happening; the bulk of the world sees what’s happening (“the whole world hears ya”)—and 50% of the American people are blind to what’s happening. There’s something profoundly wrong here. I know in my gut, millions of thinking Americans know in their guts, honest legislators know in their guts, and I know that my congressional representative knows in her gut, that this current government is in violation of the Constitution and it’s spirit. It’s abundantly clear from so many objective sources that the lunatics are running the asylum and the lunatics are attempting to run the world. Surely we are being blindly ruled by madness and in the eyes of the people within Karl Rove’s purview, the emperor does have clothes.
Everything in my gut, personal and professional, tells me that the World and the United States might be saved from destruction and chaotic madness if George W. Bush were removed from office—although I fear that the current damage might have destroyed everything. We’ve ever strived for, stood for, or have achieved a highly elevated moral status as a country, as an example, and as a righteous philosophy.
I’m not making direct comparisons here, but I wish someone had had the foresight to confront Hitler when, in their guts, they knew that there was accumulative badness, before it was too late.
This president, for innumerable reasons, ought to be impeached. Thinking people—observant people—know that. And I know that my Representative knows that. The ideologue (I say madman) leading us today is a disaster to our country and the world. The sane and the righteous of our citizenry have the power and the means to right this horrible series of wrongs (if it is not too late). Let’s display the courage of our convictions and the guts to use the powers we are endowed with by the Constitution. Let’s get rid of this madman—this criminal liar—before he destroys us and the world order.
Help me, my Representative. Why can’t it happen before it’s too late to prevent the destruction of America as we know it? Is there a legal reason and a process by which we can impeach the current president?
****** *. ********, M.D.
| Name: | Scotty |
| Name: | Harry Scott |
| To: | Go Hillary |
| Name: | Pinko Legion For Change |
| To: | Littlepeople |
| Re: | Yer wantin' a cob up your rears... |
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| Name: | American |
| To: | Crackpots ACTING UP for Socialism |
| Re: | U.S. Constitution |
Message:
Fools! This is NOT a democracy! Seventeen states will NOT decide our future!
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| Name: | Mr. UK America |
| To: | Hi cupid |
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| Name: | Me Guy |
| To: | You Guy on all fours |
N = 100 high school choral teachers
Question: From which period of music do you prefer to select your choral literature?
Null Hypothesis: There will be no significant difference between the observed and expected preferences of high school choral teachers selecting Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic, and Contemporary periods for choral literature.
| Name: | Control |
| To: | Mr. UK |
| Re: | Class 1 Biospheric Violation. Classification: Aggravated. |
Message:
Put that damned fire out at once! You are polluting our atmospheric commons! I have informed the authorities, and the officers will be in contact with you later in the day. Remain at your residence until you are contacted.
| Name: | Mother Jones |
| To: | Smarty Scotty |
| Re: | The Battle of Ardis Lane |
Message:
You are going to get a very brisk spanking, Scotty. We have very bad reports concerning you on file. Your orientation is not actionable, per se; but your actions are.
| Name: | Dunkelman |
| To: | Can you hekp me? |
| Re: | 54mm Napolianic |
| Name: | You are MADE! |
| To: | Black Sands |
Message:
You vomitous LIAR!
| Name: | kill Piccolo |
| To: | "cry-baby"raditzu's |
Message:
Gokou and Gohan(Gokou's son), are on their way to Master Roshi's for a reunion. As they go there they reminisce about past times and it switches to Piccolo on a ledge. A man comes by while Piccolo is training. He is Raditzu, and he is Gokou's brother. He has come to check on Gokou nad is angry that Kakarotto, Gokou's saiyan name, has not finished what he had been sent to do. Exterminate all lifeforms on the planet Earth. Piccolo is angry and gets ready to fightr raditzu, who is at about 1000 more levels higher than he is. Tehn raditzu is aboout to kill Piccolo, but senses Gokou somewhere else. He arrives at Master roshi's island where he recognizes Gokou. He tells gokou that he is a saiyan, nad his mission is to destroy all life on the planets he is sent ot and sell them to Planet Brokers. Gokou tells Raditzu that he is an earthling, and then Raditzu notices Gokou does not have a tail. this ticks Raditzu off that a saiyan would give up their transforming power to live on such a weak planet. He takes Gohasn and Gohan sries since he's ,only 4 yrs. old. He warns Gokou that if he dosen't exterminate 100 earthlings by tommorow he would ever give Gohan back. He flies away to a barren area where he landed and killed a farmer, and shuts the "cry-baby"raditzu's name for Gohan into his space pod.
Back at Master roshi's Gokou is going to go fight Raditzu. Piccolo then arrives saying he heard everything and doaen't want Raditzu interfereing with HIS plans. SO they agree on the treaty nad head to where they sense Raditzu. Raditzu, meanwhile can't understand why his Scouter(A communicater and power-level reader ) is reading Gohan's power level at 710!! Then he senses something else. A power level of 310 and one of 330. It's Piccolo and Gokou! They arrive and Raditzu warns them that his power level is 1200 nad that he will exterminate them easily. Then Piccolo and Gokou take off their extra weighted clothing that brings Piccolo's PL up to 440 and Gokou's up to 510!! Then Gokou and Raditzu start bickering. Piccolo notices this is a trick to get Gokou mad. Raditzu teleports behind them both and elbows them in the head. They get up and charge Raditzu. He blocks every singlke punch or kick that they throw. Gokou jumps back for a rest. He asks where Gohan is. Raditzu replies'The little brat is in my pod." Raditzu then takes tyhem both by surprise, fliews up in the air and launches a Double Hands Beam at both of them. Gokou manages to dodge it but Piccolo dosen't. His left arm gets caught in the blast and is incinerated. Piccolo says their only last hope is Piccolo's special attack he's been working on to kill Gokou. He'll need 5 minutes so gokou raises his power level to 924 and flies up to do his famous Kamehameha Wave. As he launches it, raditzu smiles, sticks a hand in front of him, and erases the whole attack before it hits hiom with a Beam of his own. He yells SHIRE (DIE in japanese) and hits Gokou on a bullseye. gokou drops, limpless. Then Raditzu notices he forgot someone. Good old piccolo! Piccolo's PL is at exactly 1330!!! Raditzu is nervous, and then Piccolo lets it ri with a big smirk on his face. He pulls out his remaining arm and yells "Makkankosappo!"(It's easy to pronounce:Mack-can-coh-sap-po) Which means Screw Beam of the Devil. A giagantic explosion occurs and Raditzu's armor is all scorched and cracks. He's REEL mad. He tells Piccolo to say his prayers, when suddenly, Gokou grabs Raditzu's tail!! If you didn't konw, that is a saiyan's only weakness. Anyway, Piccolo tells Gokou to hold him for another 5 minutes while he powers up for another Makkankosappo. raditzu, as tricky as he is, pleads to Gokou that he will leave and never come back if Gokou lets go of his tail. Yeah, and s can fly. WAit-they can. Oops...well, Piccolo is on to Raditzu's scheme and knows how gullible Gokou is. He yells, "SON GOKOU, NOO!"
| Name: | Arch Enema |
| To: | Black Liar |
Message:
I am a licensed psychiatrist. If someone came into my office and told me he was wielding the mightiest of military powers, because “I deeply believe, and know I am right, and that I confirmed it, not from my predecessor in these matters—my father, rather I confirmed it by communicating with a “higher” father, and in spite of all the bad news coming out of Iraq, I have complete faith that we’re on the right track,” I would be forced by professional ethics to consider hospitalization, serious medication, and long-term psychotherapy. I could elaborate at length, however, my point is this: I strongly believe the lunatics are running the asylum.
As you know, I could go on—the destruction of the environment, the massive job loss, the economy, the paranoid need for secrecy, the coddling of criminals (Who outed Plame?), the total loss of prestige and credibility in the world community (which quietly treats our President with head-shaking, tittering derision), the huge deficit, the inability to be contrite—let alone admit mistakes, lying to the United States Congress about the actual cost of the new Medicare Prescription Drug Program, the blatantly personal profiteering from being in control of the government and the national treasury, the blatant use of totally untruthful strategies for staying in power, the madness…….
They succeeded in impeaching Bill Clinton for a whole lot less. (“Nobody died when Clinton lied.”)
Everything in my gut, as a dedicated and deeply patriotic American citizen, as a trying-to-be-moral human being, as a psychiatrist, and as a pragmatist, fearing that the US is about to be destroyed, whether by “terrorists” or from the very core of the engine that
Everything in my gut, personal and professional, tells me that the World and the United States might be saved from destruction and chaotic madness if George W. Bush were removed from office—although I fear that the current damage might have destroyed everything. We’ve ever strived for, stood for, or have achieved a highly elevated moral status as a country, as an example, and as a righteous philosophy.
I’m not making direct comparisons here, but I wish someone had had the foresight to confront Hitler when, in their guts, they knew that there was accumulative badness, before it was too late.
This president, for innumerable reasons, ought to be impeached. Thinking people—observant people—know that. And I know that my Representative knows that. The ideologue (I say madman) leading us today is a disaster to our country and the world. The sane and the righteous of our citizenry have the power and the means to right this horrible series of wrongs (if it is not too late). Let’s display the courage of our convictions and the guts to use the powers we are endowed with by the Constitution. Let’s get rid of this madman—this criminal liar—before he destroys us and the world order.
Help me, my Representative. Why can’t it happen before it’s too late to prevent the destruction of America as we know it? Is there a legal reason and a process by which we can impeach the current president?
****** *. ********, M.D.
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| Name: | Ventura County, CA |
| To: | you |
| Re: | This nutcase has no business being law enforcement |
Message:
There are a number of valid reasons why the insane should not be part of the law enforcement hired to maintain and enforce our laws. Not the least of which is the problems associated with the insane having immediate access to firearms and police records.
When people as uneducated and superstitious as you talk about invisible aliens or Wonder Woman plotting to take over the world, they're quietly discharged as honorably as possible, being recognized as holding the potential for public harm. When they spout off popular superstitions, however, their insanity is unfortunately granted acceptance by those who are just as insane as you.
The worse historic evidence that such nuts shouldn't be involved in any way with law enforcement is the last "Satanic Panic" which included the McMartin Preschool fiasco, the Northern California "Satanists" witch hunts, and the Florida witch hunts of which Janet Reno played a huge part.
| Name: | Jack Horn |
Janet Reno believes these SRA stories (and denies utterly all scientific evaluations proving FMS) and was utterly convinced that the Branch Davidians would be the first group of "Satanists" uncovered which would prove to the world her religious occult beliefs. She did related inhuman acts against innocent parents, teachers, and religious leaders in Florida before becoming AG.
When finding no evidence for any of her occult beliefs, she wasn't in the least bit discouraged, of course. "Satanists" are rather slipery having supernatural powers, you see.
Lastly, we have a number of police detectives which travel the country feeding the ignorant population's fear of "Satanists" among their children. These nuts give lectures, promote freakishly disjointed religious books which advocate unevidenced claims and allegations (many of which are made against individuals who have been found to be entirely innocent (such as the McMartins)) and sow and sell fear and unhealthy uncritical hatred of non-Christians among the populace. (I dislike bringing up Nazi Germany but the brown shirts fomented exactly the same hatred and fear of non-Germans with particular interest to what they termed "the traditional enemy.")
It's not just a question of allowing the insane their delusions; it's allowing them to adversely impact the health and safety of the innocent populace which is at issue when nuts like Dain mouth off their rants. If they weren't in positions to do harm, they should be allowed to rant and scream about invisible demons and c. Otherwise they should be relieved of duty and, depending upon the prognosis of their problems, treated or left untreated.)
| Name: | Devo |
Message:
| Name: | Concerned |
| To: | forum |
| Name: | Individual |
There was no evidence of a wedding: no decorations, no musical instruments found, no large quantities of food or leftover servings one would expect from a wedding celebration," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said Saturday. "There may have been some kind of celebration. Bad people have celebrations, too." But video that APTN shot a day after the attack shows fragments of musical instruments, pots and p ...
Message:
It sounds like cover-up city over there. If it is true that Kimmit is trying to cover-up the screw-up, both he and Rumsfeld should go, forthwith.
| Name: | Individual |
Message:
I don't see any expected value. How can you run a Chi-Square without an expected value?
| Name: | W04 |
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Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, chief of naval operations in Vietnam, prophesied that John Kerry's career there would come back to haunt him.
The prophesy has come to pass.
On May 4, a remarkable, though underreported, press conference took place at the National Press Club in Washington announcing the formation of a new group: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Its mission: To set the record straight about Sen. John Kerry's service in Vietnam and the accusations he made against his fellow soldiers after returning to the states.
Swift boats small, mostly aluminum vessels were used to patrol Vietnam's coastal waterways. The men who served in them say they don't like to be pushed around.
From their remarks last week, it's clear they feel that's just what one of their own, presidential nominee John Kerry, has done.
John O'Neill, co-chairman of the group, says for many the final straw came with Kerry's new biography, "Tour of Duty."
In it, Kerry repeats accusations he made when he came back from Vietnam after serving as a Swift boat officer. Upon returning, Kerry led the anti-war group Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and claimed U.S. forces committed war crimes on a daily basis.
Investor's Business Daily recently spoke with O'Neill, who by coincidence took over as skipper of Kerry's boat, PCF-94, after he left.
IBD: John Kerry's entire chain of command said he is unfit to be commander in chief. Do you feel it was adequately covered by the press?
O'Neill: No. Understand that having spent so many millions and millions of dollars in advertising to portray himself as a war hero, it's very hard for people to even sit and listen to the first-party testimony that we had and realize they've been taken by him.
But the truth is the mainstream press has simply been taken, by which I mean totally duped by him.
IBD: Did The Associated Press cover the event?
O'Neill: A reporter from The Associated Press attended the news conference and then refused to write a story on it.
AP received many inquiries asking, "Why have you not run a story on it?" They simply issued a statement saying they didn't believe it added anything to the dialogue between veterans and John Kerry.
IBD: What about the Kerry camp's charge that your effort was steered and paid for by Republicans?
O'Neill: It's ironic because they've paid for all the veterans supporting them. The people are literally on salary. . . . They're typically flown around on a plane. None of us have been paid by the Republicans; none of our bills or expenses. And in fact none of us has any serious tie of any kind with any party.
I debated Kerry back in 1971 on "The Cavett Show" and I met with Nixon before that debate. I told Nixon I was a Democrat.
IBD: Why have you personally put so much time and effort into this?
O'Neill: I probably knew 15 to 20 people who were killed in Vietnam. When Kerry came forward with the war crimes charges in 1971, it just tore at the soul of all of us.
We went to such elaborate lengths to avoid injuring civilians. In our little unit we lost a number of people because we would go into canals and rivers with loudspeakers instead of shooting. . . .
When you had a guy who actually served with us condemning us en masse as war criminals the injustice of that tarnished the souls of everybody there, particularly the people in our unit.
IBD: Only one person in your group actually served under Kerry's command. The others who did have joined him. Why?
O'Neill: First, you need to understand these were little boats that operate in clusters. Of the 23 officers who were on those boats with Kerry, 17 of them have signed the letter. We're not dealing with a situation where the only ones who know about him are the five guys on his boat. His little boat operated with these other boats always in joint operations.
With respect to the nine people who are surviving who served under Kerry, one came out in opposition to him, eight were favorable to him. But when you read his book, "Tour of Duty" you learn over half of them were embittered, hated him and wanted nothing to do with him as recently as three or four years ago.
IBD: What happened?
O'Neill: He met with them, assuaged them and they reached the conclusion that whatever their personal friendship was, that overcame the resentment at his activities in the early 1970s.
I guess none of the rest of us feel that way. And we don't begrudge them feeling that way. But it's clear that those people once were also very strongly opposed to him, even off his own boat. And my source for that is his campaign biography.
IBD: Grant Hibbard, one of Kerry's commanders, went into some detail about Kerry's first Purple Heart, received for a scratch on his hand. How could Kerry get a Purple Heart for something like that without his commanding officer knowing?
O'Neill: Those are part of the records Kerry's hiding. Kerry claimed he released all records. What he won't do is execute Standard Form 180. That removes Kerry as gatekeeper and lets the Department of Defense actually show up with the records. Kerry will never execute Standard Form 180.
Among the records that are missing are anything on his first Purple Heart except the certificate itself.
We know he made a request for that Purple Heart from Commander Hibbard, who turned it down. We know he appealed that in some fashion. We know there has to be paperwork on how it was granted. All that has now disappeared.
By the way it isn't only Commander Hibbard but also the doctor. Dr. Louis Letson was the doctor who actually treated him. . . .
Letson recalled treating him for that first Purple Heart. The reason he recalled it is that when the crewman came in, they told him he was running for president.
This was in 1969.
He looked at it and said, "Why are you here?" because it was a tiny splinter, and Kerry said, "I've been wounded by hostile fire and I need medical attention."
And the people began making fun of him and they told the doctor, "Look, he just wounded himself with his own grenade." What he'd done is shoot his grenade too close to his boat and a little tiny bit of shrapnel, an infinitesimal amount, came back and hit him.
Letson got tweezers and a small Band-Aid. Pulled the splinter out. Put the Band-Aid on and patted Kerry on the fanny and sent him on his way.
Each of the purported Purple Hearts are for scratches less than a rose prick . . . Each one involves virtually no serious wound of any kind. He then used the three Purple Hearts to escape from Vietnam.
IBD: Your news conference was dramatic. How can people see it?
O'Neill: It can be downloaded at either one of two places, our Web site swiftvets.com and cspan.com. According to the Cspan records, it is the second most watched tape on Cspan in the past three years.
IBD: What effect do you think this will have on the elections?
O'Neill: First of all, my hope is he's not nominated. And my hope is it would have no effect on the election because he wouldn't be the Democratic nominee. . . .
Assuming that doesn't happen and he's nominated I don't believe his candidacy can survive the actual truth of what he did in the '70s.
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