The cutting of heads (in Arabic, <i>qata al-raas</i>) has been the favorite form of Islamist execution for more than 14 centuries.

CHOPPING HEADS
The cutting of heads (in Arabic, qata al-raas) has been the favorite form of Islamist execution for more than 14 centuries.

By AMIR TAHERI

May 14, 2004 -- THE murder of Nick Berg, a 26-year-old American businessman, by a group of Islamist terrorists in Iraq continues to send shock waves through much of the West. What has impressed most people is the fact that the terrorists cut Mr. Berg's head in the way that sheep are beheaded at the annual Feast of the Sacrifice.

Berg is, of course, not the first to be murdered in such a gruesome manner. Nor, alas, is he likely to be the last. For the cutting of heads (in Arabic, qata al-raas) has been the favorite form of Islamist execution for more than 14 centuries.

In the famous battles of early Islam, with the Prophet personally in command of the army of believers, the heads of enemy generals and soldiers were often cut off and put on sticks to be shown around villages and towns as a warning to potential adversaries.

In 680, the Prophet's favorite grandson, Hussein bin Ali, had his head chopped off in Karbala, central Iraq, by the soldiers of the Caliph Yazid. The severed head was put on a silver platter and sent to Damascus, Yazid's capital, before being sent further to Cairo for inspection by the Governor of Egypt. The Caliph's soldiers also cut off the heads of all of Hussein's 71 male companions, including the one-year-old baby boy Ali-Asghar.

Islamic history is full of chopped heads being sent around by special delivery to reassure rulers, to terrorize foes and to impress the common folk. In 1821, the Qajar king of Persia ordered a week of celebrations when he received the severed head of a Russian general who had been captured in a battle near Baku. In 1842, the Afghans massacred the British garrison in Kabul, a total of 2,000 men and their wives and children, chopping off their heads and putting them on sticks to decorate the city. (They allowed one man to leave to report to the British.)

In 1885, it was the turn of British Gen. Gordon to have his head chopped off and put on a stick in Khartoum after it had fallen to the forces of the Mahdi. Slightly later, Mullah Hassan, the Somali rebel known to the British as "the mad mullah" but to his fanatical supporters as "the Shah," made a habit of chopping Western heads in what is now Somalia. At one point he had a large collection of severed Italian and British heads.

Iran's Khomeinist mullahs also love severed heads. In April 1980, Ayatollah Sadeq Khalkhali wanted to cut off the heads of eight American soldiers who had died in a failed hostage rescue mission in the Iranian desert. He was prevented from doing so thanks to a last minute intervention by the Swiss government. In 1986, the Khomeinist mullahs cut off the head of William Buckley, the CIA's Beirut station chief who had been kidnapped by the Hezbollah and sent to Tehran for interrogation.

And in 1992, the mullahs sent a "specialist" to cut off the head of Shapour Bakhtiar, the shah's last prime minister, in a suburb of Paris. When the news broke, Hashemi Rafsanjani, then president of the Islamic Republic, publicly thanked Allah for having allowed "the severing of the head of the snake."

In 1993, Fereidun Farrokhzad, one of Iran's most famous pop stars, had his head chopped off in Germany by a Khomeinist hit squad after the mullahs issued a fatwa for his murder.

Chopping off heads was widely practiced throughout the Afghan wars of the 1980s. An estimated 3,000 Soviet soldiers, many of them Muslims, had their heads cut off by the Mujahedeen, who at the time enjoyed U.S. and other Western support. (In other cases the Mujahedeen cut off the testicles of the Soviet soldiers and fed them to other Soviet prisoners.)

Needless to say, rival Mujahedeen also chopped off each other's heads. The group led by one Haji Akbari was especially notorious in that respect. One of its members was Osama bin Laden.

Throughout the 1990s, head-chopping was routinely carried out by the Army for Islamic Salvation (AIS), the Islamic Armed Group (GIA), the Salafi Group for Preaching and Armed Jihad (GSPAJ) and other Islamist terror outfits.

One Algerian specialist in slitting throats and cutting off heads was known as Momo le Nain (Muhammad the Midget). He was a 20-plus-year-old butcher's apprentice recruited by the GIA for the purpose of cutting off people's heads. In 1996 in Ben-Talha, a suburb of the capital Algiers, Momo cut off a record 86 heads in one night, including the heads of more than a dozen children.

In recognition of his exemplary act of piety, the GIA sent him to Mecca for pilgrimage. Last time we checked, Momo was still at large somewhere in Algeria.

Four years ago, Iran was shocked by the murder of the well-known dissident leader Dariush Foruhar and his wife Parvaneh. The couple, in their 70s, had their heads chopped off and displayed on their mantelpiece. The regime blamed "rogue elements" within its Ministry for Intelligence and Security. But no one was punished.

Cutting heads is frequently practiced against clerics from non-Islamic faiths or even rival Islamic sects. At least four Christian priests and nine Sunni Muslim muftis have been murdered in that way in Iran since 2001.

In Pakistan, rival Sunni and Shiite groups have made a habit of sending cut-off heads of each other's activists by special delivery. By one estimate, over 400 heads have been chopped off and mailed since 1990.

Chopping heads is also practiced by Muslim militants on the Indonesian island of Borneo as a means of driving the Christian majority out. It has been effective in forcing nearly half of the island's Christians packing.

At one point in the 1980s, the Abu-Sayyaf Islamist group in Mindanao, The Philippines, used the tactic of severing heads as a means of terrorizing the security forces.

Americans should also remember Daniel Pearl, the Wall Street Journal reporter who was brutally murdered in the same way in Pakistan over two years ago.

Although head-chopping is now seen as a mode of communication between Islamist militants and the Western world, the overwhelming victims have been Muslims.

Mankind has a natural propensity to become used to the worst atrocities and factor in the cruelest facts of life. But the sight of a severed head will continue to shock even the most blasé of the cynics. This is why those who are defying the whole of humanity in this war on terrorism are certain to continue to employ people like Momo le Nain.

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Name:	Battista Family
To:	Viva la guerra -- los soldados & compadres

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Con mucho gusto, estamos terminando FIDEL CASTRO de mis pais de CUBA ---- desde 1960, Fidel vive en mi palacio, & performe mi occupacion de NUMERO UNO. El Rey Grande !!

TRANSLATION: Viva the War, with much pleasure we are getting rid of Fidel Castro, from my nation of Cuba, who since 1960, lives in my palace, & performs my occupational duties as Number One, --- the Grand King !

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OO-oo-OO-oo-OOPS !! What's that noise? What is that sound? It is yelling, screaming, marching of thousands of feet!! The people are marching in the street!!

Great throngs of people, Cuban people are out shouting in the street, to denounce Geo Bush and his policies that hinder the free trade of Cuba, & restrict our freedom.

Waving thousands upon thousands of banners, yelling that they Protest against Bush, and his policies there.

Well, I guess if Bush can't make Al Quaeda attack us, by screaming "Bring them on!!" --- after all, it IS a long way for them to travel just to launch another attack.

So Bush will try again, --- maybe he can screw up our relations with CUBA, which is a whole lot closer, and it is after all, a Communist nation, who should be GLAD to attack us, (if the Arabs won't). You see, if SOMEBODY attacks us, it will distract attention from the Iraq War, and guys who were humiliated/tortured in Abu Ghraib Prison, & all the other world events. Heck, Americans might even believe we NEED Geo Bush to figure out how to Fight the Endless War on Terrorism, if he can just "keep it going" somehow.

Heck, if we WON the War on Terrorism so easily, George would not have any more reason to fulfill his agenda of waging "endless war" on 56 nations, for the next 40-60 yrs.

For those of you with amnesia, that is EXACTLY what George told us was his Goal, right after 9/11.

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Re:	CUANDO CALIENTE EL SOL (song lyrics)

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Cuando caliente el sol, aqui en la playa, you quiere tus brazos acerca de mi, --- you quiero tus brazos, y tu cara, y tus piernas, y tus manos, Y tu corazon. Cuando caliente el sol. ----- (Repita)

America Adrift in Iraq

ix weeks of military and political reverses seem to have left the Bush administration doing little more in Iraq than grasping at ways to make it past November's presidential election without getting American troops caught in a civil war. The lowering of the administration's expectations might be therapeutic if it produced a realistic strategy for achieving a realistic set of goals. Unfortunately, there appears to be no such strategy, only odd lurches this way and that under the pressure of day-to-day events. That pattern heightens the danger of an eventual civil war or anarchy, the two main things that American forces are ostensibly remaining in Iraq to prevent.

At times, the only unifying theme for Washington's policies seems to be desperation. American field commanders have now signed over the city of Falluja to former officers of the same Baathist army they came to Iraq to fight a little more than a year ago. The original plan of having American marines storm Falluja to avenge the mob murders of four private contractors there was not a wise idea. Handing over the town to these politically ambitious soldiers looks even more shortsighted. Subcontracting security and territory out to rival Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish warlords can only increase the risks of an eventual civil war.

In the diplomatic arena, White House aides are now beseeching the same United Nations they once belittled to rescue the transition, hoping that its special emissary, Lakhdar Brahimi, can somehow produce a plan for an interim government after June 30 that will rescue the nation-building efforts American occupation authorities have badly botched. This could be a positive development. If President Bush is now prepared to yield real authority to the U.N. over transition arrangements, for example, it may create a sense of legitimacy that Washington itself is no longer in any position to bestow. But at this point it may be beyond the U.N.'s power to convince a skeptical world that Iraq will regain any meaningful sovereignty after June 30 if the real decisions on security and reconstruction are still made by Americans.

Members of the discredited, American-appointed Iraqi Governing Council are maneuvering to ensure a share of power for themselves after the council is dissolved next month. This is a terrible idea, linking the new interim government to the occupation regime and prejudicing future elections by giving council members an unfair inside track. Yet the administration seems to be wavering, reluctant to upset the transition timetable by antagonizing any of its few remaining Iraqi allies.

If any of the goals Americans wanted to achieve in Iraq can still be salvaged, it will take more than fumbling crisis management driven by the needs of the Bush re-election campaign. A clear and coherent new course needs to be set without further delay, beginning with aggressive policy and personnel changes to undo the damage of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The U.N. should be given clear authority over transitional political arrangements after June 30, with Washington fully backing Mr. Brahimi's efforts to assemble a caretaker government of credible Iraqis who are not associated with the occupation and are willing to put aside their own political ambitions.

Important constitutional and political decisions should be deferred until elections can be held, but the interim government should assume administrative control over oil revenues and economic reconstruction projects and exercise sovereign authority over the Iraqi police and the courts. And if, as is now generally assumed, it consents to the continued presence of American occupation forces, it will also have to work out a new relationship with these troops, who will remain accountable to Washington, not Baghdad. This will go more smoothly if the administration stops subcontracting security to former Iraqi warlords and private companies and makes sure that all American troops are properly trained for the tasks assigned to them.

In the short run, replacing these proxies will probably require sending more troops, or delaying scheduled rotations out of Iraq. But over time, if the administration is finally ready to accept international oversight and a real measure of Iraqi sovereignty, Americans may see a reduction of violence and increased peacekeeping help from other nations. With June 30 rapidly approaching, Washington will soon have to choose its course.

Hey, it's a war -- what did you expect, flowers and bunnies and hopscotch in the Baghdad streets?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just in time for your morning breakfast sausage, it's all-American rape and torture and rampant entirely condoned military sadism. Mmm, patriotism.

The pictures are worth a thousand disgusted moans. It's all flag-draped coffins and dog chains and forced masturbation and pistol whippings and miserable bloody hooded Iraqi men -- not terrorists, just men -- with wires attached to their fingers and genitals and made to stand up for hours and days on end until their feet swell and their lungs collapse and their livers fail, and you can hear our stunned death-drunk nation cry: Hey, whatever happened to our nice, clean little war? How did it get so ugly and out of hand? And isn't the "Frasier" finale on soon? Sigh.

Isn't the nation just so very outraged -- outraged! -- over the nasty rogue's gallery of photos gushing forth from the stunned media of late (with frightening promises that the worst is yet to come), all those snickering U.S. Army guards and sickeningly abused Iraqi POWs and dead U.S. soldiers and scowling generals.

And there's blaming Rumsfeld and Rumsfeld blaming the military and the military blaming miserable 21-year-old female trailer-park scapegoats and once again there stands Dubya, looking angry and baffled, like a kid who just got grounded for getting another D on a spelling test.

Did you really think war would be all light spankings and fur-lined handcuffs and afternoon tea, George? All happy giggling soldiers blasting each other with squirt guns and playing jacks in the streets of Fallujah?

Did you really believe your second war in as many years would be all neat and tidy and bloodless and gift-wrapped and lacking in gruesomeness and bile and disfiguring genital mutilation? What are you, a puppet? Oh wait.

This is the thing about wars, Dubya. They are worse than a fresh cow pie on the heel of your shiny Tony Lamas. They are bloodier and uglier and nastier and more heinous and more over budget than your worst Texas oil deal (and you had plenty of those), and that's before you even press the Start button. As the saying goes, You want to make Satan laugh? Tell him you're planning for a polite, orderly little conflict. Watch him blast oil through his nose.

But let's not be too hard on the least articulate, least intellectual, least accountable president in U.S. history. After all, Dubya's just like much of America. He is the prefect embodiment of our world-famous myopia, a selective type of dangerous tunnel vision whereby if we don't see it and don't really feel it and the media doesn't splash it all over us, it must not be true.

And, really, what Bush-votin' flag-wavin' God-numbed patriot wants to hear that the U.S. is a world-class hypocrite, committing many of the same crimes and tortures, rapes and humiliations that Saddam himself did, in the very same prison? Who wants to hear that, in many ways, we've done no better by the Iraqi (or Afghan) people than their former leadership, and in some ways have made things far worse?

And who wants to know that we have become the violent, unwanted clown on the global stage, justifiably ridiculed and thoroughly unsympathetic, as the world boos and hurls rotten foreign policies? Who wants to know that we are, in short, losing the war? Look there, isn't that Cheney, hiding behind an American coffin, fondling his Halliburton portfolio and snickering quietly? Why yes, yes it is.

The Powers That Be know one thing: This lack of perspective, of the gruesome details of war, keeps the nation stupid. It makes us compliant. It makes us all go, well sure, I know war is heck and all, but we're the good guys therefore any bloodshed is in the name of democracy and any rapes are necessary evils and all those dead Iraqi women and babies are unfortunate casualties in the quest to protect our president's corporate interests and life goes on and hey "American Idol" is down to three finalists! Woo!

Ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is also Bush. This is a man who goes on Saudi television to claim rape and torture and sadism is not the American way of conducting a war (but not, actually, to apologize -- never that), that such behavior is contrary to our God and our principles and our morals and our happily imbecilic black-and-white, good-versus-evil worldview.

Good one, George. Here's some words to stick in your craw, Dubya: Vietnam. Guantanamo Bay. Somalia. El Salvador. World War II. Show me a U.S.-led battle, Shrub, and I'll show you some nifty n' horrific American-made abuses of prisoners and detainess and innocent civilians that would makes your skin peel. Hey, it's war. You asked for it. You don't invite the Devil to the table and not expect him to spit in the mashed potatoes, you know?

By the way, Dubya, why have you never attended a single funeral service honoring any U.S. soldier who died in Iraq or Afghanistan? Why have you distanced yourself from the war dead like a snake avoids roadkill? Sorry, is that an inappropriate question right now?

Look. Everyone knows the Abu Ghraib nightmare isn't an isolated incident. These pictures merely stir that sickening, deep-down feeling that the atrocities are far worse than you can imagine and far more widespread than anyone wants to admit and they happen during every single war and Rummy and his crew not only knew it was happening but they also condoned it, promoted it, never made a move to stop it. So? Standard operating procedure, baby. It says so all over Rummy's pinched, sour face: It's an ugly, savage world, people. Now please just shut up and let us devour it in peace.

Even the Red Cross is coming forth and saying, oh man, you think those Abu Ghraib pictures are bad? You think it's just that hideous little nightmare prison where American soldiers and American-funded commandos and mercenaries are torturing and abusing and grinning for the camera? You have no idea.

Cut to a close-up of Jack Nicholson's beady eyes, boring straight into the smirking simpleton that is Bush, and then scanning over the pro-Bush American voting public, so inured and sheltered and flag waving and sucking down SUVs like baby seals. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!

And what is that truth now? What have these photos, these glorious wartime atrocities, accomplished? Why, nothing short of guaranteeing that the United States has never been so violently hated among Middle Eastern nations as it is right now.

Nothing short of massacring any last vestige of remaining 9/11 sympathy. Nothing short of supplying a whole new generation of enraged terrorists with all the proof they need that their cause is entirely valid and just.

And nothing short of proving, for the 10,000th time, that has dug us a grimy, violent, blood-soaked hole so deep we may never fully emerge.

Musings about a second Bush term typically assume four years of the same right-wing policies we've had to date. But it'd likely be far worse. So far, the Bush administration has had to govern with the expectation of facing American voters again in 2004. But suppose George W. Bush wins a second term. The constraint of a reelection contest will be gone. Knowing that voters can no longer turn them out, and this will be their last shot at remaking America, the radical conservatives will be unleashed.

A friend who specializes in foreign policy and hobnobs with subcabinet officials in the Defense and State Departments told me that the only thing that's stopped the Bushies from storming into Iran and North Korea is the upcoming election. If Bush is reelected, "() Cheney and (Donald) Rumsfeld are out of the box," he said. "They?ll take Bush's reelection as a mandate to wage the 'war of terror' everywhere and anywhere.

The second term's defense team will be even harder line than the current one. Colin Powell will go. Condeleeza Rice will take over at the State Department. Rumsfield will consolidate power as the president's national-security advisor. Paul Wolfowitz will run the Defense Department.

Domestic policy will swing further right. A reelection would strengthen the White House's hand on issues that even many congressional Republicans have had a hard time accepting, such as the assault on civil liberties. Bush will seek to push "Patriot II" through Congress, giving the Justice Department and the FBI powers to inspect mail, and examine personal medical records, insurance claims, and bank accounts.

Right-wing Evangelicals will solidify their control over the departments of Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services -- curtailing abortions, putting federal funds into the hands of private religious groups, pushing prayer in the public schools, and promoting creationism.

Economic policy, meanwhile, will be tilted even more brazenly toward the rich. Republican strategist Grover Norquist smugly predicts larger tax benefits for high earners in a second Bush administration. The goal will be to eliminate all taxes on capital gains, dividends, and other forms of unearned income and move toward a "flat tax." The plan will be for deficits to continue to balloon until Wall Street demands large spending cuts as a condition for holding down long-term interest rates. Homeowners, facing potential losses on their major nest eggs as mortgage rates move upward, might be persuaded to join the chorus.

In consequence, Bush will slash all domestic spending outside of defense. He will also argue that Social Security cannot be maintained in its present form, and will push for legislation to transform it into private accounts.

Meanwhile, the few shards of regulation still protecting the environment and the safety of American workers will be eliminated.

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor will surely step down from the Supreme Court, possibly joined by at least one other Jurist, opening the way for the White House to nominate a series of right-wing justices, a list that could easily include Charles Pickering Sr. and William Pryor Jr. After Chief Justice William Rehnquist resigns, Bush may well nominate Antonin Scalia for the top slot -- opening the way for Scalia and Clarence Thomas to dominate the Court. Such a court will curtail abortion rights, whittle down the Fourth and Fifth amendments, end all affirmative action, and eliminate much of what's left of the barrier between church and state. Karl Rove and Tom DeLay, meanwhile, will have four more years to fulfill their goal of transforming American democracy into a one-party state.

Congressional redistricting across the nation will make Texas' recent antics seem a model of democratic deliberation. Automated voting machines will be easily rigged, with no paper trails to document abuses. Changes in campaign finance laws will permit larger "hard money" donations by corporate executives and federal contractors who have benefited by Republican policies.

Finally, the Federal Communications Commission will allow three or four giant media empires -- all tightly connected by the Republican Party -- to consolidate their ownership over all television and radio broadcasting.

Nothing is more dangerous to a republic than fanatics unconstrained by democratic politics. Yet in a second term of this administration, that's exactly what we'll have.

Name:

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Message:
A-rabs. Biological proof that n!ggers butt-f*cked baboons sometime in the past

Name:

Baboon

In response to:
A-rabs. Biological proof that n!ggers butt-f*cked baboons sometime in the past

Name:

Individual

In response to:
The American president's overall job approval rating has fallen to 42 percent, down from a 49 percent rating recorded in an April 8-9 Newsweek poll.

Message:
More good news for democrats. Democrats must now define Bush as regards his leadership in the war on terrorism. The definition will be "bungler." This shouldn't be too difficult since Bush has bungled Iraq badly.

Name:

Individual

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Hey, it's a war -- what did you expect, flowers and bunnies and hopscotch in the Baghdad streets?

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I didn't expect this. But Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al, did expect it. How unrealistic can you get?

Name:	Individual
To:	Democrats

Message:
You have an ace. Somebody that everybody respects. Senator George Mitchell. Turn Mitchell loose on the middle east and see what he can do in the present context. This could definitely be part of Kerry's foreign policy.

Name:	\'/
To:	Baboon
Re:	A-rabs. Biological proof that n!ggers butt-f*cked baboons sometime in the past

In response to:
That's an insult to baboons. You should be ashamed.

Message:
I'm sorry...you're right. Baboons are intelligent, social, well-groomed primates. How I could even think those qualities exist in the A-rab sub-species is beyone me. My apologies.

Name:	Baboon
To:	\'/

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I'm sorry...you're right. Baboons are intelligent, social, well-groomed primates. How I could even think those qualities exist in the A-rab sub-species is beyone me. My apologies

But remember the next time when you have an urge to insults baboons, just remind yourself that no baboon in the whole history of boboon existence has ever cut the head of any creature on this earth.

Name:	Democrat
To:	Individual

Message:
Bush will not be re-elected, no matter what shape the economy is in. He lost a push-over war through mismanagement. And if that wasn't bad enough Bush also lost America's moral highground through lack of morality and gravitas.

We also lost 728 brave young soldiers who dies for nothing, and billions of dollars that could have been pumped into our shaky economy. America hangs its head in shame. We're not used to that.

Name:

...

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Bush will not be re-elected, no matter what shape the economy is in. He lost a push-over war through mismanagement. And if that wasn't bad enough Bush also lost America's moral highground through lack of morality and gravitas. We also lost 728 brave young soldiers who dies for nothing, and billions of dollars that could have been pumped into our shaky economy. America hangs its head in shame. We're not used to that. I guarantee you the Bushies will never get back into the White House, ever.

Name:	\'/
To:	Baboon

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But remember the next time when you have an urge to insults baboons, just remind yourself that no baboon in the whole history of boboon existence has ever cut the head of any creature on this earth.

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I promise, I shan't forget. But I must ask, how then, do we explain the "evolution" of the sub-human sub-species known as the A-rab?

Name:	Baboon
To:	\'/

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I promise, I shan't forget. But I must ask, how then, do we explain the "evolution" of the sub-human sub-species known as the A-rab?

Name:	Scroll Mouse
To:	Democrat
Re:	doom and gloom parot

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"...and billions of dollars that could have been pumped into our shaky economy. America hangs its head in shame. We're not used to that...."

Message:
and what kind of pump would be needed for these billions? Exactly where whould the pump pump these billions? Who would be in charge of the pump?

Which Americans are hanging their heads in shame? Not any of my friends. You maybe?

Name:	\'/
To:	Baboon

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Satan forces spawned this sub-human sub-species.

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Toobltzs

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Always blame the Black male! You honky ho's is all the same. You see trouble where ain't no trouble at, then you start rollin yo blue eyes around lookin for a Black man to blame it on.

IF YOU THINK YOU ARE BEATEN, YOU ARE, IF YOU THINK THAT YOU DARE NOT, YOU DON'T, IF YOU'D LIKE TO WIN, BUT YOU THINK YOU CAN'T, IT'S ALMOST CERTAIN YOU WON'T.

IF YOU THINK YOU'LL LOSE, YOU'VE LOST, FOR OUT IN THE WORLD YOU'LL FIND, SUCCESS BEGINS WITH A FELLOWS WILL, IT'S ALL IN THE STATE OF MIND.

IF YOU THINK YOU ARE OUTCLASSED, YOU ARE, YOU'VE GOT TO THINK HIGH TO RISE, YOU'VE GOT TO BE SURE OF YOURSELF BEFORE YOU CAN EVER WIN A PRIZE.

LIFE'S BATTLES DON'T ALWAYS GO TO THE STRONGER OR FASTER MAN, BUT SOONER OR LATER THE MAN WHO WINS IS THE MAN WHO THINKS HE CAN.

Name:	Boxer Rebellion
To:	Scotty Weezers
Re:	A lot of ado about nothing much at all.

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Security Code: El Raza 10 X 10

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Can't help yourself, can you? It seems evident that your sexual dysfuntion is more complex and deeply-seated than even you suspect.

Name:	Mehoa
To:	Individual
Re:	Mitchell has nowhere near the multidisciplinary versatility of Individual.

In response to:
You have an ace. Somebody that everybody respects. Senator George Mitchell. Turn Mitchell loose on the middle east and see what he can do in the present context. This could definitely be part of Kerry's foreign policy.

Why not YOU, Individual? You have the answers. All the answers, all the time. You have a much broader and deeper perspective on the whole picture than even Mitchell could ever hope to. Why don't YOU head over there and fix things up?

Name:	Laser Kutter
To:	Individual

Message:
Mitchell is, like, over and done with. Let's get a vibrant, vivacious, 21st century team in there. Let's get Clinton & Lewinsky in there!

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Bush is out in November, and Fox News goes down for good about next March. We will have a wonderful life with our needs met under the Kerry peace and Air America will rule the Peoples airwaves. The U.N. will become every American's friend in the new and better world of tomorrow. Music downloads will be free for all and Herbals will be provided free to all.

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Strange Brew

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It seems that only the tip of the Nick Berg story is visible.

Name:	starkitten
To:	forum
Re:	Another Nick, Nick Rizzuto

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Move over Blink 182

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At least some punk rockers have realized that the Right is the right way to rock, judging from the NYT article... With his mohawk, ratty fatigues, assorted chains and his menagerie of tattoos - swallows on each shoulder, a nautical star on his back and the logo of the Bouncing Souls, a New York City punk band, on his right leg - 22-year-old Nick Rizzuto is the very picture of counterculture alienation. But it's when he talks politics that Mr. Rizzuto sounds like a real radical, for a punk anyway. Mr. Rizzuto is adamantly in favor of lowering taxes and for school vouchers, and against campaign finance laws; his favorite Supreme Court justice is Clarence Thomas; he plans to vote for President Bush in November; and he's hard-core into capitalism. "Punks will tell me, `Punk and capitalism don't go together,' " Mr. Rizzuto said. "I don't understand where they're coming from. The biggest punk scenes are in capitalist countries like the U.S., Canada and Japan. I haven't heard of any new North Korean punk bands coming out. There's no scene in Iran." Mr. Rizzuto is the founder of Conservative Punk, one of a handful of Web sites and blogs that have sprung up recently as evidence of a heretofore latent political entity: Republican punks. With names like GOPunk, Anti-Anti-Flag and Punkvoter Lies, the sites are a curious blend of Karl Rove and Johnny Rotten, preaching personal responsibility and reflexive patriotism with the in-your-face zeal of a mosh pit. When he's not banging his head to the Misfits, the Vandals or the Bouncing Souls, for example, Mr. Rizzuto spends his time writing essays denouncing Michael Moore and "left-wing propaganda," and urging other conservative punks to join his cause. "Punk has been hijacked by an extreme left-wing element," Mr. Rizzuto said. "It's blame America first. Everything is America's fault, and everything is Bush's fault." Mr. Rizzuto said his goal "is rallying conservative punks and getting people to vote."

Name:	magpie
Re:	the village don't like no punk bands!

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I haven't heard of any new North Korean punk bands coming out.

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you better have an image of dysfunciontal trailer park holesomness or the village will rip your stinking guts out. hey we suck! brains out that is. .

Name:	HMMM the motorist maniquin
To:	forum

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Recall that from 6 to 10 top generals were going to quit en masse. Someone ratted them out and wet their powder. Present generals like Tuluma, know what side their bread is buttered on and will not rock the boat a la Westly Clarke who was/is in Clintons pocket.

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Somebody spotted vulnerability in January,2004. Somebody else set up this whole prisoner abuse evidence to collaborate the story and crap in someone's mess kit. Rumor has it that certain generals did not like Rumsfeld's get-tough demeanor and preferred the wussy go-along and get along of Clinton-inspired generals. Out to protect/enhance their careers, they are eager to discredit the war effort and get Rumsfeld in the bargain. That's the problem with being the nice guy, the opposition thinks they can stab you in the back and generally gets away with it.

Back to Bush's problem getting judges OKed. Many think that the miscreants under Clinton who were prosecutable should be reevaluated and offered up for prosecution UNLESS Democrats stop screwing up Bush's judicial appointments. You want your motheroos to stay out of jail? You co-operate with us or we forget to play nice and away go all the seditious scumbags of the previous administration that we pardoned with "selective overlook". We ignored their need for rehabilitation thinking you would become embittered but it made no difference.

Name:	pepe'
To:	New Jersey;: 777;
Re:	Carl ; Emilius ; Ulrich : von Donop,

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ey' 700 CLUB ! ("you's A' Dreamer !!; SH*T< guuy' ") - (I's a f*ckin Catholic..) - 777 CLUB at 3000' - (This Here's Ours,) - (CONSTIPATED MINISTERS in The Military - robertson...dream' oon :)

There are, of course, no such things as ghosts, despite what the spinners of yarns throughout the centuries have proposed. God's Word, the Bible, says: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (Heb. 9:27).

But there are spirits, and they are supernatural entities that are eternal. They are with us still, and will be until the time they are dealt with and confined in their everlasting places with the living dead. These are the angels who left their habitation and rebelled against God when Lucifer determined to be "as the Most High" (Isa. 14:14). In that sense, we are dealing with supernatural things in the ancient place called Babylon--Iraq, as it is called today.

In an eerie way , the spirits of those human beings who not long ago underwent horrendous sufferings and death seem to linger within the depressing walls of Abu Ghraib prison. Images somewhat reminiscent of what was done there by Saddam Hussein's terror regime have, like weird holographic images, come back to bedevil America. The digital still frames and video seem to somehow mirror the satanically engendered insanity that murdered and maimed Iraqis within that edifice of torture. The whole surreal week has seemed like a haunting within a Stephen King novel.

And, the results have been a more deeply divided America than ever. It's as if the chief Prince of Persia, who fought with Gabriel while that messenger from God carried the Lord's end-time prophecies to Daniel the prophet, has dispatched his demon spirits from Satan's stronghold in the land of ancient Babylon to divide the house that is America--a house that cannot long stand with such division, as Abraham Lincoln warned during the Civil War, invoking the words of Jesus.

The evil that the few military personnel took it upon themselves to commit against the prisoners is inexcusable, and each involved deserves appropriate punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. This will be done--and before the whole world. However, these terrible things don't even begin to approach the abject horrors that Saddam's sadists inflicted within that same prison barely over a year ago. The actions of those few debauched U.S. soldiers pale by comparison to the way Nicholas Berg's head was sawed from his body while he tried to struggle against the human beasts who butchered him. Yet, the demonic spirits from Persia have convinced a part of America that the acts are the same. The demons, through the American political process, have done their utmost to cleave America's head from its body -the government from the people.

The American media, in my view, is for the most part being used as the whispering tempter's voice to the American people, and to the rest of the world's people. That seductive, deceiving voice is incessantly planting the thought that those who refuse to see society, government, and religious morality the way the "loving, let's just get along and the world will love us" politicians who want no God to rule over them see things, must be removed at any price. The end justifies the means. Half-truths, outright lies, and a win-at-any-price agenda is their creed. The very same political mindset that decries the pornographic images -and the acts captured depict debased activity, not true torture-is the same mindset that has removed God from the classrooms and institutions of America. That mindset has defended as art, a crucifix immersed in urine as "art." That mindset has called homosexuality -a proven deathstyle-a "gay lifestyle." It has called killing children still in the womb "the right of choice."

Those who want the current president, the secretary of defense, and all others who don't agree with them to get on their knees and apologize for the action of a few young people who did bad things never consider apologizing for creating in the young of this nation the attitude that sex between a president and an intern isn't really sex. And, at any rate, they said time after time, we should separate job performance from our personal activities. Character, after all, doesn't really matter.

There is but one way to combat the spirit that haunts America and the world today. It is the same defense that has been effective against evil since sin came into the world. His name is Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the living Word of God (John 1:1). The wooly-minded always argue that Jesus is love, and would never condone violence. Therefore, weaponry and national defense is evil. To them, I say: Jesus is indeed love. He loved you so much He died for you. But He is also Almighty God. And, He said: "No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house" (Mk. 3:27). "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace" (Lk. 11:21).

We have been at war since 9/11. But it goes much deeper than a physical war against the Islamic fanatics who want to slit each and every American and Israeli throat, like they did to Nick Berg. It is a spiritual warfare of supernatural proportions. Let us punish the guilty soldiers for their wrongs. But, let us not be deterred.

Let us continue, through strong offensive military action, to defend ourselves against those who would slaughter those we love if we didn't have some in leadership wise enough to provide for the common defense.

Name:	Bush is an ECONOMIC MIRACLE
Re:	The Strength Of The Bush Economy

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Before George Bush came into office or immediately after depending on who you believe, we had a recession. The bursting of the tech bubble and accounting scandals dragged down the stock market. 9/11 was a devastating blow to the economy and the uncertainty caused by war certainly hasn't helped matters.

So what did George Bush do? He pushed through tax cuts in an effort to stimulate the economy and it paid off big time.

The economy is back, it's vibrant, it's strong, and it's surging right now although most people don't realize it because the press isn't doing their job and getting the information out there.

So how great is the economy doing? Let's take a look at the gross domestic product growth and number of jobs created, since those are the two factors getting the most attention.

We've now had 8 straight months of job growth and numbers have just been amazing so far this year.

So we've now have had 3 straight, significantly higher than average, quarters of GDP growth. That's superb.

Anyone who tries to tell you that the economy isn't roaring right now either doesn't know the facts or they're trying to mislead you. It's that simple.

Name:

Patriot

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FIRST of all, Patriot, I was not talking to YOU in that post, but I said that LVD was acting JUST LIKE you, in the way you insist on arguing ceaselessly, about every little word, syllable, or punctuation mark. WHICH IS OFTEN TRUE. (Although, Smedley may be a bit worse on that score).

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That is correct, you were not talking to me you were talking about me. Actually you were attempting to insult LVD by saying he was like me yet I challenge you to bring forth any evidence where I argued "every little word, syllable, or punctuation mark"

The truth is I do not argue punctuation, spelling etc. as it is definately not my strong point. I simply state my view of things and will be glad to defend my views using arguments which you always have trouble disputing. You being unable to support your views without calling me a "bircher" or coming up with conspiracy theories etc.

This of course upsets you, so when I am not even posting you choose to stab me in the back by smearing my good reputation.

As for ET's post, it was not an attempt to change her words and make it seem like she wrote she was a right winger but rather to use her words to tell you that partisan attacks on an innocent person like me are not acceptable. I guess I should have said this is what ET should say to someone who arbitrarily attacks someomne. For not clarifying and pointing out that I had modifyed words to adapt to your attack, I apologize, I just thought you would figure it out and be able to understand the implication.

Name:

Patriot

In response to:
ET said if you can't debate respectfully, then get off this forum. I notice that YOU are right back to trying to pick a fight, by stating her words BACKWARDS & UPSIDE DOWN. And to pretend that they were addressed to me.

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I guess I just find it funny that you accuse me of trying to pick a fight when I was not even posting anything when my moniker was used by you to try and insult a member of the forum. You insulted me, which means you picked a fight. Try and keep this straight will you. I was the victim, you were the vicious attacker.

Name:

Patriot

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If it is any consolation, I just ignore most posts of that nature. I don't pay any attention at all, like you learn to ignore the stench of a sewage plant, if you have to drive past it every day. I just take a breath of fresh air, smile to myself, & think of ROSES, LILACS, & TULIPS.

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Why is it that you feel a need to viciously attack the conservatives on the forum? While at the same time pretending that you are the victim. Get a clue, I was minding my own business, not at all participating in anything you had to say, not disputing, not attacking, not arguing, not "picking a fight". I was leaving alone and all I wanted was to read some debate points when I discover that you are viciously attacking me. Attack machine=Merci Mois, victim=Patriot, LVD and Smedley. You should apologize because as ET has stated in several posts, she does not want her forum to continue with unprovoked attacks on other forum members.

As for having some of your posts deleted, it happens all the time, it is up to the discretion of the editor. Which in case you haven't noticed was LVD. The question is why is LVD editing, the answer is because he was willing to answer ET's call for volunteers. You don't like the way he edits the forum yet instead of volunteering to help you attack LVD. As I recall, and maybe I am mistaken here, I think ET asked specifically for your help months ago and you asked how much she could pay for help. LVD= volunteering to help ET, LVD= keeping the forum open.

Just try saying you are sorry and we will all just go foreward ready to debate some items of interest.

Name:	Hackem Obdulijuan
To:	forum
Re:	And with unregistered assault sticks, knives, clubs

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And what were the Christians doing to so greviesly offend the "Practicioners of Peace" in Islam? Muslims with poor memory from seeing someone hacked to death also got hacked to death. And wearing French-looking clothes! Terrible offences against the faith!

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Muslims Hack Christians to Death in Nigeria By Oloche Samuel FrontPageMagazine.com | May 13, 2004 Angry young Muslim men attacked "nonbelievers" with machetes Tuesday, while others burned cars, stores and apartments. Three corpses — one charred and another badly mutilated — lay in the streets; it was unclear who killed them. There were unconfirmed reports of several others killed by young men who barricaded streets with burning tires and garbage. The violence came hours after thousands of Muslim protesters — some carrying daggers, sickles and clubs — marched from the main mosque in the northern city of Kano, traditionally a hotbed of religious tensions. Amina Usman, a 19-year-old university student, recounted seeing two mutilated bodies next to a makeshift checkpoint where young Muslim Hausa-speaking men armed with sticks, knives and clubs were searching cars for Christians and animists and asking passengers to recite Muslim prayers. An Associated Press reporter saw youths at a makeshift checkpoint of burning tires strike three young women with machetes after accusing them of being "nonbelievers" for wearing Western-style skirts and blouses. Muslim leaders in Kano earlier linked the Yelwa attacks to the U.S.-led war against terror. The Yelwa attacks follow a deadly succession of communal violence. In February, Muslim militants were blamed for the slaughter of almost 50 people there — many of them Christians who took refuge in a church.

Name:	Bells of Concordia
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	Vicious, delusional old HATER of her fellow Americans...

In response to:
SO, instead of repressing right wing hatred & venom the other day, LVD sat on his throne and Deleted every one of MY posts, when I was simply trying to tell the Truth about a big News Item, which I told him repeatedly was on the TV News, but he did not want to listen, since all he wants to hear is dirty jokes & the usual nonsense.

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You're sick, Merci Moi. You behave like a very OLD 2-year-old! It's no surprise that you are a Democrat. Now run to mommy, you big boohoo! When people tell you that your dirty old dolly is ugly, they are telling you the truth.

Name:	Swamp Tea
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	Your head is jammed full of poo, but you "feel pretty".

Message:
Yes, you are a sick, delusional old airhead who will never learn anything because you alreay (feel) that you know everything. You are comical. You are absurd. You are being a fool. Perhaps you have no choice, but I suspect your foolishness is something that you could remedy, if you could face it.

Name:	Donkey Go-kart
Re:	Merci Moi

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Obnoxious old crackpot loon

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She carries on like an old NEA Socialist schoolmarm! She's probably spent the last four decades twisting the minds of little children in grades one through four.

Name:	The Tiger's Milk
To:	John Hawkins
Re:	Lying Leftists and the lies they spew

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Anyone who tries to tell you that the economy isn't roaring right now either doesn't know the facts or they're trying to mislead you. It's that simple.

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They have a malleable pissant who can't even tell the truth to himself and a rich heiress who can't believe that she married an American that they mean to place in the White House.

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Did Freepers Kill Nick Berg? Why We're Not Ruling It Out By Tamara Baker

May 12, 2004 -- SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA (apj.us) -- By now, we've all heard the story.

A group claiming affiliation with Al Qaeda captured an American named Nick Berg, who had been looking for contract work in Iraq.

They then videotaped his beheading, claiming that it was revenge for the sickening torture of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib and other US-run prisons.

As it turns out, our military intelligence officers in Iraq have told the Red Cross that between 70 and 90 percent of the persons in Iraqi jails were arrested "by mistake", and so are being tortured "by mistake".

Furthermore, only 600 out of the 43,000 persons arrested during the US occupation (that's 1.4%) have been referred to authorities for prosecution. The vast majority of the others are condemned to wait without hope of trial (much less release), and most of them have committed no crimes whatsoever. Considering that right-wingers among us called for nuking Falluja over the deaths of four privateers a few weeks ago, I'm frankly amazed by the Iraqis' comparative restraint.

According to MaxSpeak, Nick Berg's father, Michael Berg, was placed on an "enemies list" at the web site on March 7th, 2004:

On March 7, 2004 an "enemies list" composed of signatories to an anti-war petition was posted on the Free Republic website. The introductory and subsequent comments on that list suggest that the purpose of the posting was to encourage people to harrass the individuals on the list and to circulate their names to agencies and individuals that might take action against them.

Nick Berg's father, Michael Berg was on that list and he named Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc. as an affiliation. According to his family on March 24, 2004 -- approximately two weeks after publication of the enemies list on the Free Republic website -- Nick Berg was detained by Iraqi police who handed him over to US forces, he was then held until April 6 when he was released, the day after his family had filed a lawsuit in Philadelphia federal court. Nick Berg was not heard from again after April 9.

Now, Michael Berg is already in hot water with the Freepers -- and his comments to the Associated Press, wherein he blames Bush and the right wing for his son's death, aren't going to make them any happier.

The denizens of Free Republic ferociously turned on Jessica Lynch on a dime when she dared puncture the racist garbage they had spouted about how her Iraqi doctors cared for her.

I suspect that they'll revive their enemies list and make sure that Michael Berg's name is still on it.

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PS from Tamara: A word of profuse thanks to Fintan Dunne of BreakForNews.com, who originally broke this story. And "congratulations" to 's Doug from Upland for failing to cover his cybertracks by posting an edited, falsified "enemies list" to .

Name:	Larry Don Shagbark
To:	^^ Merci Moi

In response to:
According to MaxSpeak, Nick Berg's father, Michael Berg, was placed on an "enemies list" at the web site on March 7th, 2004: On March 7, 2004 an "enemies list" composed of signatories to an anti-war petition was posted on the Free Republic website. The introductory and subsequent comments on that list suggest that the purpose of the posting was to encourage people to harrass the individuals on the list and to circulate their names to agencies and individuals that might take action against them

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The one in the picture behind Berg with the knife is Cheney. We are trying to obtain the records of Air Force One for the Dates to see where Bush was. One of the hooded figures is the exact height of George W. Bush! We are going to get the Freedom Of Information Acts to go after the telephone Logs from the Naval Observatory for the dates, too. Where was Condoleeza Rice during the time Frame?? What is the media trying to hide next??

Name:

Scotty

Message:
I'm John Kerry, and I just want to say THANK YOU to all you homosexuals who are voting for me this fall. Together we can make an America that's hate free and even friendly to homosexuals.

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There, there, Of course you are not. Did you know that I am the Easter Bunny? Bush is evil. I am Mr. Hippity Hop. The Birchers can't catch me..

Name:

Dr. Jiang Singh Hitler

Message:
It's way past your bedtime, Scotty. Take your enema and off to dreamland with you.

Name:	YMCA
To:	John Kerry
Re:	Put your butt where your mouth is, doodlebug!

In response to:
I'm John Kerry, and I just want to say THANK YOU to all you homosexuals who are voting for me this fall. Together we can make an America that's hate free and even friendly to homosexuals.

Name:

Dr. Jiang Singh

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I'm so glad liberal websites like this exist. Liberals are always bragging it up how they are open minded, tolerant, understanding, open to other viewpoints, how they honor other people's lifestyles and diversity, free from hate, and all the other utter bull you spew. The fact is liberals as proven on this very board are intolerant hate filled bigots. Please keep it up. My friends and I love to link to this website to embarass liberals on other discussion groups who claim liberals don't think like you bigots.

Name:	Jack O
To:	Scotty

Name:	Hitler
To:	Scotty Tinkles Rubber Sheets Beddy-Bye
Re:	The man in the picture is Cheney!

In response to:
I'm so glad liberal websites like this exist. Liberals are always bragging it up how they are open minded, tolerant, understanding, open to other viewpoints, how they honor other people's lifestyles and diversity, free from hate, and all the other utter bull you spew. The fact is liberals as proven on this very board are intolerant hate filled bigots. Please keep it up. My friends and I love to link to this website to embarass liberals on other discussion groups who claim liberals don't think like you bigots. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...

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You will take your enema and off to dreamland and you will like it and experience happiness in consequence of it, or People's Police will take you to modern and well equipped corrections center for intensive social adjustment sessions. We have skilled operators and the best and most modern equipment, and we will get the results that we desire!

Name:	Jerry Bonita
To:	Scotty In Flames
Re:	Canyon Grande

In response to:
Fix my forum!~!!!

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After what you've been up to, no one's going there, Scotty. You will just have to use an appliance.

Name:

Scotty Weathermen

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After what you've been up to, no one's going there, Scotty. You will just have to use an appliance

Name:	Miss Love 21
To:	Our Circle
Re:	Setting The Record Straight once and for all

In response to:
PS from Tamara: A word of profuse thanks to Fintan Dunne of BreakForNews.com, who originally broke this story. And "congratulations" to 's Doug from Upland for failing to cover his cybertracks by posting an edited, falsified "enemies list" to

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I just want to thank Jerry and Matt, and the Llwellyn sisters, and everyone at Donna Kay's Fiberoptic Cafe for all their help. We couldn't have gotten to where we are on this thing without WebMan and those kids at Ms. Larsen's computer lab, either. Thanks to all, and happy hunting! And of course, I just have to say another big thank you to Senor Cienfuegos for all his brave work!

Name:	Maestro
To:	Scotty
Re:	used tires

In response to:
Screw you pal,,,,,

Name:	Greater Swiss Mountain Cheese Bird
To:	Scotty Smoking Ruin
Re:	Can't get no ...satisfaction...

In response to:
I take it anywat I can Baby.....

Message:
You have reached the point where the Rock of Gibralter would prove inadquate.

Name:

Individual

In response to:
Anyone who tries to tell you that the economy isn't roaring right now either doesn't know the facts or they're trying to mislead you.

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We have a good economy now. No doubt. But at what cost--huge deficits and really low interest rates. The on-budget deficits are going to be in the trillions under Bush. Retired people can't get a good interest rate on their retirement funds.

When will we get back to the good old times as we had under Clinton: A good economy with declining (not accelerating) deficits; unemployment in the 4% range for 4 years in a row; a low, but not too low, interest rate; a stock market which made new all time highs on almost a weekly basis at times. Those were the good old days.

Name:	Individual
To:	Democrats

Message:
There are two bright spots for democrats. (1) Arnold of California. Maybe Arnold can break the stranglehold of right wing extremists which now control the republican party (2) democrats seem to have gotten the message that state's control the electoral process. I have seen articles where democrats say that it is absolutely necessary that they do very well in the state houses so that re-districting for the next census will be controlled by the democrats.

Name:	Family & Friends
To:	Parot

In response to:
Retired people can't get a good interest rate on their retirement funds.

Name:	Patriot
To:	Individual

In response to:
Maybe Arnold can break the stranglehold of right wing extremists which now control the republican party

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Who will break the stranglehold of left wing extremists in the democratic party?

Last night John Kasich of Fox News had both a liberal and a conservative radio talk show host on. He asked each about things which have been said over the last week on the floor of the Senate. The question to the conservative was that somebody on the senate floor had said that his nickname for Kerry was Hanoi John. The question was is this over the top? He then asked the liberal about kennedy's remarks that the abu gharaib torture facility had reopened under new management. The question again was is this over the top? Both responded it was not over the top for thier respective leanings and both were outraged about the others stance.

Kasich then lit them both up and told them this was disgusting and that they like the senators on the floor were destroying this country. So my question to you is who will reel in the left wing extremists like kennedy kerry, and carville

Name:

World Net Daily

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May's Whistleblower issue, "THE PARTY OF TREASON," will reveal with stunning clarity and detail how the Democratic Party – the party of Truman and Kennedy – has been so thoroughly transformed and corrupted in recent decades that today it is no longer the "loyal opposition," but rather, has become "the enemy within."

From an insider look at exactly how Democrats have committed fraud in election after election, to current candidates' self-serving and scandalous communications with enemy and terrorist nations, to a stunning documentation of how the Democrat Party has progressively embraced corruption in almost every form, the title of the May issue, "THE PARTY OF TREASON," says it all.

For fair play, June's edition will examine the Republican Party, which, while not embracing evil and corruption as completely as the Democrat Party, nevertheless has largely forsaken its core principles of freedom, personal responsibility and limited government.

June's issue will also include an in-depth look at third parties, first from an historical viewpoint, and then by surveying the parties in the running for November 2004, their platforms, candidates, and how their candidacies are likely to affect the outcome of the general election.

The arguments for voting for the incumbent, despite his flaws, are powerful and compelling – and will be debated thoroughly in this special issue. Likewise, the case for abandoning the two parties – which many voters today regard as disturbing similar – and voting for a third-party candidate in the strategic hope of reclaiming the nation in the long-term, will also be thoroughly debated. Whistleblower's journalistic exploration will be balanced and comprehensive, and will force readers to confront all the issues necessary to make informed, conscience-based voting decisions in what could be the most important election of this generation.

Name:

Clowns to the left of me...jokers to my right

In response to:
Who will break the stranglehold of left wing extremists in the democratic party? Last night John Kasich of Fox News had both a liberal and a conservative radio talk show host on. He asked each about things which have been said over the last week on the floor of the Senate. The question to the conservative was that somebody on the senate floor had said that his nickname for Kerry was Hanoi John. The question was is this over the top? He then asked the liberal about kennedy's remarks that the abu gharaib torture facility had reopened under new management. The question again was is this over t ...

Name:	Juurgen Tormonde
To:	ET
Re:	WND

In response to:
The arguments for voting for the incumbent, despite his flaws, are powerful and compelling – and will be debated thoroughly in this special issue. Likewise, the case for abandoning the two parties – which many voters today regard as disturbing similar – and voting for a third-party candidate in the strategic hope of reclaiming the nation in the long-term, will also be thoroughly debated.

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Best hold your nose tightly and get a copy. You need to keep current on the Hillary-bashing anyhow.

Name:

To know her is to...

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You need to keep current on the Hillary-bashing anyhow.

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Ever notice that Hillary's approval ratings are highest when she doesn't say anything?

Name:

Ann Coulter

Message:
Last week, John S. Carroll, editor of the Los Angeles Times, delivered a lecture during "Ethics Week" of the Society of Professional Journalists. The speaker has not yet been announced for "Abstinence Week" of the Society of Professional Whores.

Showing the fierce independence of the mainstream media, Carroll's speech was yet another liberal rant about the threat to freedom and democracy posed by the Fox News Channel. Carroll cited the hoax poll liberals quote every 10 minutes that purports to show people who watch Fox News are ignorant retards.

The poll was taken by the "Program on International Policy Attitudes," which specializes in polling Americans about pointless little factoids loved by liberals. One PIPA poll, for example, asked whether "so far this year, more Israelis or more Palestinians have died in the conflict, or is the number roughly equal?" To the shock and dismay of the researchers, "only 32 percent of respondents were aware that more deaths have occurred on the Palestinian side than on the Israeli side."

There was no poll question about which group was more likely to die as a result of suicide bombings against innocent civilians and which as a result of strategic strikes against known terrorists. During World War II, PIPA would have been issuing indignant press releases announcing that "only 32 percent of respondents are aware Hitler is kind to his dog."

The most famous PIPA poll claims to demonstrate that "the Fox News audience showed the highest average rate of misperceptions" about the war with Iraq -- by which they mean "misperceptions of pointless liberal factoids about the war with Iraq." You say the average American can't regurgitate liberal talking points on command? Well, I'll be darned! And the public schools are trying so hard!

The poll asked questions like this: "Is it your impression that the U.S. has or has not found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the al-Qaida terrorist organization?" Sixty-seven percent of Fox News Channel viewers said the United States had found evidence of a link. Liberals view this as a "misperception."

Admittedly the evidence may not be as "clear" as the evidence proving a link between Osama bin Laden and Halliburton, but among other evidence connecting Iraq to al-Qaida, consider just these three items.

Last year papers were found in Iraqi intelligence headquarters documenting Saddam's feverish efforts to establish a working relationship with al-Qaida. In response to Iraq's generous invitation to pay all travel and hotel expenses, a top aide to Osama bin Laden visited Iraq in 1998, bearing a message from bin Laden. The meeting went so well that bin Laden's aide stayed for a week. Iraq intelligence officers sent a message back to bin Laden, the documents note, concerning "the future of our relationship."

In addition, according to Czech intelligence, a few months before the 9-11 attacks, Mohammed Atta met with Iraqi intelligence agents in Prague.

Finally, a Clinton-appointed federal judge, U.S. District Court judge Harold Baer, has made a legal finding that Iraq was behind the 9-11 attacks -- a ruling upheld by the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals last October. When some judge discovers a right to gay marriage in a 200-year-old document written by John Adams, Americans are forced to treat the decision like the God-given truth. But when a federal judge issues a decision concluding that Iraq was behind the 9-11 attacks, it is a "misperception" being foisted on the nation by Fox New Channel.

Interestingly, liberals refuse to believe Czech intelligence on the Prague meeting ... because the CIA doesn't believe it. Apparently, this is the lone, singular assertion by the CIA that liberals wholeheartedly trust. The CIA also concluded that evidence of WMDs in Iraq was -- in the words of CIA director George Tenet -- a "slam dunk case." But liberals hysterically denounce that CIA conclusion as a "misperception" created by Fox News Channel.

Thus another question in the PIPA poll was this: "Since the war with Iraq ended, is it your impression that the U.S. has or has not found Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?" Thirty-three percent of Fox News viewers said they believed the U.S. had found WMDs, compared to only 11 percent of those smart NPR listeners. (How about asking NPR listeners which kills more children -- handguns or buckets?)

By "weapons of mass destruction," what liberals mean is: missiles pointed at Washington, D.C., with their "Ready to Fire" lights blinking ominously and their warhead payloads clearly marked "Weapons of Mass Destruction! Next Stop, The Great Satan America!" -- basically what you might see on an episode of the original Batman TV series. When we didn't find that, the "Bush lied, kids died!" screaming began.

David Kay's report said we hadn't found "stockpiles" of WMDs in Iraq, but we have found:

-- chemical and biological weapons systems, plans, "recipes" and equipment, all of which could have resumed production on a moment's notice with Saddam's approval;

-- reference strains of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents (found in the home of a prominent Iraqi biological warfare scientist);

-- new research on brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin;

-- long-range missiles (prohibited by United Nations resolutions) suitable for delivering WMDs;

-- documents showing Saddam tried to obtain long-range ballistic missiles from North Korea;

-- facilities for manufacturing fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles.

Sorry to bore Fox News viewers with these facts. I'm doing it as a favor to readers of the Los Angeles Times.

Name:	W. Poe Hartinger IV
To:	Individual Concerned Political Hack

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We have a good economy now. No doubt. But at what cost--huge deficits and really low interest rates.

As you very well know, much of the federal deficit finances non-productive consumption, such as the numerous federal "programs" subsidizing sloth. The deficit does not benefit the economy at all; it simply parasitizes and weakens it while financing the destructive programs that encourage via subsidy widespread dependency both now and into future generations. This benefits the Democratic party incumbency, but not the Democratic rank and file, and not the economy, and it certainly does grievous harm to the nation's finances, both public and private, as well as to the nation's human capital.

Keep on lying, you sorry hack. You and your ilk are finishing off the Donkey, and perhaps that is for the best since the Democratic party seems to be chronically unable to reform itself and its Socialist agenda and eject its corrupt members.

I'd rather lose the Democratic party than lose the United States of America. It seems we will have to choose one or the other, since the Democratic party seems incapable of reforming itself or its current leadership's extremist Leftwing agenda, and no other agency has the power to force reform, nor should any.

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INdividual

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Just saw Nader on CNN. Wolf Blizter showed a poll where Nader took 2% from both Kerry and Bush. Nader said that this was what would happen in November and so democrats needn't worry.

Wrong. Blitzer failed to show that in other polls, Nader draws 2 democrats for every 1 republican. Is Blitzer a right wing sympathizer or just a sh!tty journalist?

Name:	Individual
Re:	Economic Growth

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Although the SP500 has made a good recovery, it is still in a decided downturn since Bush took office. If you draw a regression line or regression channel, it still shows a trend that is down, down, down. And this despite the fact that, under Bush, we are in deficit hell. Bush is the deficit king of deficit hell.

Name:

Individual

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Maybe democrats should do a spot on deficit hell. Show money burning all around the crowned deficit king. Or maybe it would be better to show Bush as the "deficit devil" of deficit hell.

Name:	Pine Tree Shilling
To:	Individual
Re:	Ralph Nader: Forty Years a flaming Left-wing Crackpot!

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Wrong. Blitzer failed to show that in other polls, Nader draws 2 democrats for every 1 republican. Is Blitzer a right wing sympathizer or just a sh!tty journalist?

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Blitzer just isn't singing your crappy tune, that's all that's wrong with him. Zogby is singing your crappy tune nowadays, and so you suckle delightedly at his chubby buttocks.

As for whatever poll you're touting or damning now, I'm amazed that Ralph Nader "draws" ANY "Republicans" at all.

Ralph Nader is such an outr'e, dyed-in-the-wool Leftwing extremist flake that I doubt that the (presumably avowed) "Republicans" cited in the poll actually are Republicans at all. For what it's worth, Wolf Blitzer seems to me to be one of the more credible denizens of the foetid CNN pesthole.

Name:	Laser-carved Obsidian Horsehead Bookends
To:	Individual
Re:	More vile oozings from the parrot's vent

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Maybe democrats should do a spot on deficit hell. Show money burning all around the crowned deficit king. Or maybe it would be better to show Bush as the "deficit devil" of deficit hell. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Maybe you should set your hair on fire and run naked down the street, Individual.

Name:	Right Wing Pirahna #3
To:	Individual

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"...unemployment in the 4% range..."

Name:	Lettuce Prey
To:	Individual
Re:	More lies from the principle source of lies

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Although the SP500 has made a good recovery, it is still in a decided downturn since Bush took office. If you draw a regression line or sit on a greased fireplug naked except for a wide-brimmed hat stacked high with tropical fruits...

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The actual value of the S&P and NASDAQ never approached their perceived values at the peak of the Clinton-era tech bubble. You cannot recover value that NEVER existed to begin with. But you know that. What's more, though apparently you haven't noticed yet, there is a war going on.

Have in common with boats used to navigate around the oil rigs, in OFF SHORE OIL DRILLING?

This SOURCE -- http://swiftboats.net ---- The Swift Boat Sailors Association, Inc --- (official organization for Navy personnel who manned Navy PCF's (patrol craft) called Swift Boats, in Viet Nam, from 1965 - 1970).

In early June 1965, the Navy did not have any suitable patrol boats, [for COIN -- counter insurgency ops] -- they needed a fast boat (32 knots max) about 50 feet long, that could carry suitable weapons. It was then up to CDR Cab Davis to find something quick. A staff member recalled a boat builder on the Gulf of Mexico, making "water taxis",

used to service the gulf OIL RIGS. So CDR Davis went to Louisiana to visit Sewart Seacraft. On the spot the Navy bought the rights to the "swift boat." & the deal was done by mid-July 1965. (A total of 193 swift boats were made for the US Navy.)

Our Navy "Swift Boat" DESIGN was adapted from this all-metal crew boat, being used to support the OFF-SHORE OIL DRILLING RIGS in the Gulf of Mexico. (Like the ones owned by George HW Bush, named Zapata Offshore).

Name:	American
Re:	Fuck Ralph Nader. Smash Woody Owl.

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In early June 1965, the Navy did not have any suitable patrol boats, [for COIN -- counter insurgency ops] -- they needed a fast boat (32 knots max) about 50 feet long, that could carry suitable weapons. It was then up to CDR Cab Davis to find something quick. A staff member recalled a boat builder on the Gulf of Mexico, making "water taxis",

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I'd like to own one of them. Load it up with beer and girls and go raise hell on Lake Powell!

Name:	Heidi Sparkplugger
To:	Individual Moo
Re:	Maybe...

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America was a HELLHOLE in the 1950's!!!

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Did Penrod Drilling finance the John Birch Brainwashing Platoons that swept through the newly-built suburbs all across America's heartlands? Who really capitalized the Sam Walton takeover of American retailing? How deeply involved was the Mormon Church? What about Skull And Bones? What role did all-white Star-system Hollywood's TV sitcoms play in the perpetuation of the Jim Crow system? Did Desi Arnaz give Cuba to the CIA and SEATO? What happened at Fidel Castro's intitiation into Skull And Bones that turned him into a Revolutionary? How long was Che Guevara on the Bush Family payroll? What is the conection betweeen Area 54, The Bush Family, Al Gore's father, and Roswell 1947?

Name:

Individual

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What's more, though apparently you haven't noticed yet, there is a war going on.

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Remember WWII. A "little" larger than this war. When the war started, the DOW was 109. It stood at 142 just before D-Day. Regression lines show a flat trend until D-Day from about 1938. And this was the big war. Besides the fact that WWII was infinitely larger than the present war, the other big difference is that we had a democrat for president. We would expect a solid downtrend under a republican during a war. We would expect a flat to up market under a democrat during war. We get what we expect.

Name:	Disco Shoes
To:	Heidi Sparkplugger

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What is the conection betweeen Area 54, The Bush Family, Al Gore's father, and Roswell 1947?

Name:	Baba Rum Raisin
To:	Individual Hack

In response to:
DOW was 109. It stood at 142 just before D-Day. Regression lines show a flat trend until D-Day from about 1938. And this was the big war. Besides the fact that WWII was infinitely larger than the present war, the other big difference is that we had a democrat for president.

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What about FDR's wartime deficit? HMMMM? America entered WWII with a clapped-out depression economy and infrastructure and virtually without a military. The economy expanded some during the war mostly due to the frenetic production of war material, but the civilian economy practically ceased to exist.

We are using mostly already-extant war material, and a lot less of it, in the current war. We have a much larger economy to support a much less manpower and material-intensive war, too. Your WWII comparisons don't hold up at all. But you know that. You also know that over 100% of the GNP gains during WWII were war-related. The civilian economy shrank markedly during the war from its already shrunken level at the outset of the war. The civilian economy practically vanished, and a difficult "reconversion" followed the war, with numerous shortages and other dislocations persisting for years.

"We would expect a solid downtrend under a republican during a war. We would expect a flat to up market under a democrat during a war. We get what we expect"...

That is pure crap, and of course you know that. Being a liar and a hack, you present it anyway. Shrum on, pissant!

Name:	Heidi Sparkplugger
To:	Disco Shoes
Re:	Ominous Signs, a malignant aura...

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You mean area 51, my brother? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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I am not at liberty to say. The voices are very strong today, and Nostradamus himself is skittish. When he gets like that, I become apprehensive. Take care!

Name:	Sen. Nixon
To:	The Media (the REAL media)

In response to:
"...But you will get very BORED just listening to the same old tripe hashed over and re-ground over & over again. You won't hear anything original or fresh, or innovative. You won't hear much inspirational, objective, or newsworthy. So go ahead, play your games, but NOT WITH ME. Good Bye. ..."

Name:	Studio 54
To:	Area 51
Re:	X-files

Message:
Scuuuuuuuuuuuullyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!............

Name:

Individual

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Wolf Blitzer seems to me to be one of the more credible denizens of the foetid CNN pesthole.

Message:
Well then. Why didn't he point out to Nader that in the past (including the exit polls in 2000) Nader was taking 2 democratic votes for every republican vote?

Name:	Mrs. Claypool
To:	Merci Moi
Re:	MOO & cud

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This Forum might as well be Freepers Limbaugh Hdqtrs. Same old, same old, Propaganda from the right wing, that has not changed too much in the last 43 years. Too Bad.

Message:
You are ridiculed because you make yourself ridiculous. You are also insulting. Maybe you don't even realize it. Seems you are a bit on the thin-skinned side, too. Whatever. Head on over to DU, find yourself a nice shady spot, and settle in. You are sharper than 99% of the birds over there. You'll probably have them sitting on your broad back picking at nits inside a week!

Name:	The Pot
To:	The Kettle
Re:	You are Black

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Well then. Why didn't he point out to Nader that in the past (including the exit polls in 2000) Nader was taking 2 democratic votes for every republican vote?

Name:	Individual
Re:	Deficits

Message:
In WWII, the world was in danger. A war on two fronts with two well-armed foes. Hardly the same as now. Not even close. Not even one-trillionth as close.

Name:	Spooky
Re:	A true, startling story

Message:

UFOs, Implants and Aliens
The London Free Press ^ | Friday, May 14, 2004 | Ian Gillespie

Something happened to Richard Cote. And now, almost 11 years later, he wants to tell the world. And whether you believe Cote's story or not, one thing is clear: He's not alone.

Reports indicate thousands of people have told authorities they were abducted by aliens. Last year, BBC News reported four million Americans believe it has happened to them. Amazon.com sells a book titled How To Defend Yourself Against Alien Abduction. Type the words "alien abduction" into the Google search engine and you'll be rewarded with more than 85,000 hits -- including a service that offers Christian counselling to people who've been snatched by outer space visitors.

This week, the Mexican Air Force released a videotape of a recent encounter between air force pilots and 11 brightly lit unidentified flying objects whizzing through the sky and, at one point, changing direction and surrounding the Mexican aircraft, which was flying a routine anti-drug patrol.

One researcher said it was a noteworthy event because although there are hundreds of UFO videos, none before has ever been backed by a nation's military.

Cote has been investigating UFOs for almost 30 years. Since 1996, he's led a local group of UFO researchers called the Lansdowne Five.

But now, Cote has disbanded the group for reasons that can be traced back to Oct. 18, 1993, -- a night, he says, "that changed my life totally around."

Cote says he was lying in bed, asleep, when at 3:15 a.m. he awoke and found himself paralysed.

"My eyes were open, but I couldn't move," he says. "And I floated up . . . I saw the window turning into like a liquid, and then my body went through the window.

"Then I started rising up and I could see the leaves of the trees," he says. "I saw this big, bright light. And the first thing you know, I was inside the craft."

Cote says he found himself in an alien space craft manned by metre-high creatures with triangular heads, bug-type eyes and skinny limbs.

"Yeah, but they didn't open their mouths," he says. "When they had a thought, I understood it. It went into my head."

Cote says one of the aliens resembled a dark-skinned Earthling and supervised a series of tests. He says they sedated him, obtained samples of bone, skin and sperm and then shot two "implants" into his arm.

Cote says the aliens told him to start "writing things down." He says they told him not to worry because, in time, things would become clear. He says they told him to form a small group to document the many terrible things happening on Earth.

Cote says he found himself back in his bed about two hours later. The next morning, he says he awoke to find two tiny round puncture marks in his upper left arm. About a day later, he started feeling bad.

"I couldn't stand the sound of high-pitched noises," he says. "I felt confused."

After he recovered, Cote -- and later other group members -- started documenting what was going wrong in the world. He kept the information in a big white book that now holds more than 2,500 pages.

Over the years, he says, the aliens have communicated to him through the implants. The most recent message prompted him to disband the Lansdowne Five.

Cote says the aliens have told him that before the world ends, they will visit Earth and collect him and several million other individuals with implants. They will be tutored and returned to Earth to guide its future.

"This is the scary part," he says. "Maybe I'm being lied to and they're going to take me up there (into space) and not bring me back to Earth. I don't know if I should trust them."

Name:

Individual

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You are sharper than 99% of the birds over there.

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That's for sure. The left wing extremists on that DU site are something to behold. What a bunch of putzes.

Name:	Spooky
To:	Individual

In response to:
In WWII, the world was in danger. A war on two fronts with two well-armed foes. Hardly the same as now. Not even close. Not even one-trillionth as close.

Message:
This time, the enemy numbers some 1.5BILLION Muslims. Most of whom, want us dead. Our supposed "allies" in Europe and elsewhere, are apathetic at best or hostile to us even raising a soft hand to defend ourselves.

This war didn't even begin.

Name:	Turtle Excluder Device
To:	Sun Yat Sen

In response to:
Who really capitalized the Sam Walton takeover of American retailing?