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| Name: | Mr. Edification |
| To: | SPINdividual |
Message:
Please explain the connection between unrealized federal budget deficits and overall economic growth. Don't tell me you are so stupid you beleive the federal government directly funds our economy.
| Name: | Individual |
| Name: | Individual |
Message:
Are you asking for a correlation? Your question is less than clear.
| Name: | Art |
| Re: | A New Dark Age |
| Name: | The American People |
| To: | The Hate-filled Left |
Message:
What Bullsh!t!!
What the American's did was disrespectful and psychologically abusive. None of the prisoners were physically harmed. They did not physically torture anybody. How any intelligent person can compare disrespectful psychological treatment with torture, murder, and mutilation is beyond comprehension. Political agendas are driving left wingers world-wide to massive lying and pure stupidly. Can anybody stop the hate from the left?
The Left Wing Media has gone MAD!
| Name: | Meet The New Boss |
Message:
John Kerry committed the same kinds of offenses, testified to them on national television and now claims to be a "war hero"...go figure
| Name: | Mr. Edification |
| To: | SPINdividual |
| Re: | Ever-spinning |
Message:
No, your statement is prue bullsh!t.
Explain the connection between unrealized federal government deficits and US economic growth. It is a simple clearly stated question. I understand your problem; you are spewing bullsh!t and you can't possibly answer the question because there is no real connection between the federal government budget deficits and economic growth.
| Name: | Neilsen Family Values |
Message:
But show one black t!tty and BAM!!!!
| Name: | The American People |
Message:
Like the corporation that funds John F'n Kerry's u-ltra, u-ltra rich lifestyle?
| Name: | Fred Barnes |
| Re: | The Bush "Smear" Machine |
A STAPLE OF DEMOCRATIC RHETORIC these days is the charge that a "Republican attack machine" is smearing John Kerry. Is it really true that Republicans are impugning Kerry's military service in Vietnam and questioning his patriotism? Seeking an answer, my colleague at Fox News, Morton Kondracke, asked the Democratic National Committee to supply evidence of Republican mudslinging. Send me the worst of the smears by the Republican National Committee or President Bush's reelection campaign, Kondracke said.
What the DNC produced didn't come close to substantiating the charge of smears about Kerry's military record or patriotism. The Democratic committee couldn't cite anyone from the RNC or the Bush campaign--or the White House for that matter--who had criticized Kerry for his service in Vietnam or raised doubts about his patriotism. For the most part, what the DNC called smears were attacks on Kerry's antiwar activity after he left the Navy.
The DNC document bore this headline: "As Bush's Approval Rating Drops . . . the Rove-Gillespie Smear Machine Moves Into Full Gear." Karl Rove is a White House official and political adviser to Bush. Ed Gillespie is chairman of the RNC. No quotes from Rove were cited. Gillespie was blamed for allegedly spreading lies about Kerry's protest on the Mall in Washington as a member of Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Gillespie was reported to have said that Kerry claimed to have spent the night on the Mall with other veterans when he really stayed in a friend's apartment. Whether true or not, this doesn't touch on Kerry's military service or patriotism.
Karen Hughes, a Bush adviser and former communications chief at the White House, was cited in the DNC document for questioning Kerry's throwing away medals at an antiwar event in Washington. Again, this was after Kerry left active duty in the Navy. And Kerry has given different accounts over the years of exactly what he threw away, causing the incident to be a subject of Boston newspaper stories for years.
So who are the main perpetrators of smears, according to the DNC? It's "Bush's surrogates" and "Republican pundits" and Vietnam veterans. The DNC says this statement by Joe Repya, co-chairman of Veterans for Bush is a smear: "Nobody says [Kerry] wasn't brave when he was in Vietnam. But once he came home, he disavowed his oath as an officer and he gave aid and comfort to our enemy by his antiwar stance." Republicans treat Kerry's antiwar activity as fair game in the presidential race. Now the DNC is suggesting it isn't.
Another smear was attributed to a writer on an obscure conservative website who said Kerry had killed 21 innocent Vietnamese. The writer later said he made a mistake, the DNC said. Columnist Robert Novak was accused of a smear by saying on CNN that Kerry's antiwar efforts were "over the line." And the document cited a newspaper story that said Rush Limbaugh had called Kerry an "incompetent leader" in Vietnam. Whatever the case, Limbaugh isn't Rove or Gillespie, nor is he a member of a Republican machine. He's a conservative radio talk show host whose commentaries aren't the responsibility of either the Bush campaign or the RNC.
Even when Bush campaign leaders insist they have never questioned Kerry's military service, they get attacked for doing just that. On Fox News Sunday, Bush campaign chairman Marc Racicot said neither he nor other campaign officials had ever criticized Kerry for his Vietnam service, nor would they. The response of Jean Shaheen, a chair for the Kerry campaign, was that Republicans have questioned Kerry's "courage" and that this was unconscionable. She cited no examples.
| Name: | Bordertex lies EXPOSED! |
Message:
LIE!
Nobody has accused American Soldiers of rape of males in prison, you lying sack of left wing bullsh!t
| Name: | W. James Antle III |
| Re: | Competing Gotcha Politics Keep Campaign An Idea-Free Zone |
Where was George W. Bush 30 years ago when he was supposed to be serving in the National Guard in Alabama? Did John Kerry throw his medals, or his ribbons, or his medals and ribbons? Who said what when, and what did they know and when did they know it?
A plausible case can be made that each candidate was involved in activities in the early 1970s that would detract from the compelling biographies posted on their websites. Bush hasn’t satisfied everyone asking questions about his Guard service; Kerry’s explanations about his medal-tossing antics have bordered on incoherent.
Now things are really starting to heat up. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) took to the Senate floor to denounce Vice President Cheney as a “chicken hawk.” This got various hawks clucking their disapproval of a senator talking like that.
We political junkies are supposed to find all of this very exciting, but I confess that I don’t. I understand the arguments behind these lines of attack. Bush and a number of people in his administration – as well as some of the neoconservative pundits and policy wonks cheering them on from the outside – want to start wars but don’t seem to have ever been especially eager to actually fight in them. Kerry wants to cite his conduct as a soldier in Vietnam decades ago as a major qualification for the presidency, but takes umbrage at any criticism of his record or subsequent antiwar activities.
Pointing out your opponent’s hypocrisy is fine as far as it goes. It’s always illuminating to show how many school choice opponents, for example, refuse to send their own children to public schools. It’s worth noting when a politician consistently votes to raise taxes and boost spending on redistributive welfare programs but refuses to donate his own money to charity. If someone wants to inveigh against welfare queens while cashing in on any number of the federal entitlement programs that benefit that middle class and wealthy, by all means call them on it. But this isn’t the same as refuting an argument.
The trouble with political scandal-mongering is that it tends to be a diversion from actual arguments and ideas. Few of the people feigning outrage about Bush or Kerry’s Vietnam-era conduct would care if the same accusations were leveled against their preferred candidate. How many people who now insist that Kerry’s military service makes him better qualified to be commander-in-chief than Bush voted for the elder George Bush or Bob Dole over Bill Clinton? How many of those who got up and gave impassioned speeches labeling Clinton a “draft-dodger” were similarly concerned about the Bush-was-AWOL allegations?
My guess is that the answer in both cases is very few. Let’s be honest: Most people support the candidates who agree with them on the issues they find most important and don’t really give a damn about the scandals and “gotcha” revelations of the other side. A depressingly large number approaches politics the same way they do professional sports, simply rooting for their favorite team regardless of who the players are. Questions about military service, shady business deals and all but the most egregious sexual misconduct are only relevant to most of these voters insofar as it safely confirms their preconceived impression that the other side’s candidate is an all-around bad guy.
I think it is a lunatic notion to presume that we can simply reshape an entire region’s political calculus at gunpoint or use military force to implant democracy in a country with no historical or cultural prerequisites for a functioning democratic government. Maybe the people within the Bush administration who wanted to go to war with Iraq on this basis would have thought better of it if they had more military experience, but I doubt it. In any case, this would still be a lunatic notion even if Cheney had received a Bronze Star during the D-Day invasion.
The belief that the rightness of an idea or policy position is dictated by the personal peccadilloes of its most prominent adherents is, I think, bad for productive political debate. As a commentator, I cannot tell you how many times people think it is a devastating rejoinder to one of my columns to dredge up the name of some Republican elected official who defrauded his business partners, cheated on his wife or drove drunk and also happens to agree with me.
Last year, I wrote a column defending a tax-cut proposal then being debated. Didn’t I know, one reader triumphantly e-mailed, that a prominent supply-sider who had just taken the same position on a major conservative website had used cocaine? No I didn’t, although Googling around I was able to find confirmation of my correspondent’s allegation, but I also failed to see why it mattered to my argument.
The downside of what is often piously described as the “politics of personal destruction” is that we spend more time arguing about people and personalities than we do about actual policies that affect the nation and the underlying assumptions that shape them. Rather than important debates about constitutional law, the role of government, taxation, foreign policy, war and peace or immigration, we talk about Willie Horton, Anita Hill, Gennifer Flowers and the vague recollections of people we never heard of about the candidates’ actions many years ago.
None of this is to say that the character and personal conduct of elected officials absolutely doesn’t count. I supported Bill Clinton’s impeachment and believe he should have been removed from office. It is increasingly looking like Connecticut’s Republican Gov. John Rowland ought to be impeached today. Nor does this mean that questions about a candidate’s competence are invalid, although the fact is that most mainstream candidates come accompanied by a slew of advisors who you are effectively voting on as well. A vote for Bush or Kerry is just as much a vote for having the government organized by the advisors in their entourage as it is a vote for either of those two men.
But the kinds of things elected officials do or try to do to the country ultimately have a more lasting impact than the type of person they are or whatever headlines skillful opposition researchers manage to generate about them. It would be nice if for once that was the focus of campaign coverage.
| Name: | Forum Fan |
| To: | Editor |
Message:
Editor,
That is one of the worst propaganda pieces I have seen posted on this forum. It is riddled with lies. Is the Hillary forum turning into an anti-American forum in a feeble attempt to try and elect a Democrat?
-Long-time Forum Fan
| Name: | John Forbes Kerry |
| To: | Warren Buffet, Tedward Kennedy, Barney Frank, et al |
| Re: | The Cook-up on the lawn |
Message:
Heigh ho, hale and hearty fellows-well-met! Good old Jeeves has lit the fire and laid out the essentials, so what shall we have after we have put away our aperitif with the raw, earthy gusto befitting such a rough-cut gaggle of rogues as ourselves? Salmon croquettes? Perhaps a nice rack of lamb? A waitress or two?? I'm quite the regular guy, you know!
Oh! Goodness! Our smokes! Jeeves, my man, just trot yourself back up to the house, go into the music room and fetch that box of Cubans, won't you? It's sitting on that little escritoire by the grand. There's a good fellow!
| Name: | Bystander |
Message:
Raping and torturing? Please point us to accusations of American Soldiers raping and torturing.
The Left has gone mad.
| Name: | magpie |
| To: | Spin |
Message:
Well you've explained that the economy os growing because the feds are running deficits.
Since you know everything-please explain how we ended up with the clinton/gore recession when there were these supposed surpluses.
Since you made the coorelation between deficits and the upturn-how do you expain the clinton recession when there were surpluses?
| Name: | Associates with known lawyers |
| To: | forum |
| Re: | Tip of Iceberg in Immigration scandal covered up |
"Rest of Waltons is rich, I jes wanted my share!" moans the felon.
Message:
Gov't Worker Accused of Jeopardizing Security
By Kimberly Craig
Web Produced by Jenny DiDomenico
April 30, 2004
A man entrusted to help keep the nation safe from terror at the Detroit-Windsor border has been accused of accepting bribes and favors that could have jeopardized U.S. security.
Robert Walton worked for the Department of Homeland Security in Detroit, but a federal indictment issued Friday accuses him of doing favors for foreign nationals, and that could put an end to his career and freedom.
Walton used to work for the U.S. Office of Immigration and Naturalization, but about a year ago he transferred to the Department of Homeland Security to supervise customs inspectors at the Ambassador Bridge. He was suspended without pay and free on a personal bond Friday night.
Walton worked for the federal government for 20 years, and now he is accused of helping two people become U.S. citizens illegally sometime between the late 1990's and the fall of 2002.
While he worked for Immigration, in return for granting the illegal citizenships, assistant U.S. attorneys say he received a diamond earring and a gold and diamond bracelet.
The items were apparently not enough to pay for a good defense attorney, because at his arraignment Friday, he asked for a court-appointed attorney to fight the charges. Those charges include bribery and conspiracy to defraud the United States.
The federal judge denied an attorney at taxpayer expense, because the man’s salary working for the Department of Homeland Security is $75,000.
7 Action News has learned that the two people who allegedly gained illegal U.S. citizenship with Walton’s help apparently failed the required literacy tests. There is no reason to suspect that they are a terrorism threat.
| Name: | THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, PAST AND PRESENT |
| To: | MEDIA PUKES |
| Re: | How dare YOU counsel US, you puffed-up sacks of poo?? |
Message:
YOU FUKKIN" IDIOTS!!! WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK HAS FOUGHT EVERY DAMNED WAR THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ????????????????
Here's a hint for you dipwads: IT WASN'T DAG HAMMARSKJOLD, AND IT DAMNED SURE WASN'T KOFI ANNAN!!!
| Name: | David Limbaugh |
| Re: | Liberalism, Kerry's wartime handicap |
Several articles in the mainstream media over the past few days address Kerry's difficulty in finding a theme that will resonate among voters. A New York Times headline read "Kerry Struggling to Find a Theme, Democrats Fear."
And Newsweek's Howard Fineman wrote, "Beltway wise guys belittle his campaign as a listless and message-less mishmash that has failed to engage a vulnerable incumbent."
It seems odd that a person running for the highest office in the land doesn't have a defining reason for his candidacy, but it's easier to understand when you realize that he wants to be president much more than he cares about advancing a particular policy agenda.
I think Kerry is a lot like Bill Clinton in that respect. I always disagreed with those who said that Clinton wasn't a liberal but an opportunist. Why couldn't he be both? In fact, he was, it's just that his political aspirations always prevailed in the event of a conflict, but he was nevertheless a committed liberal.
There's no doubt that Kerry's a committed liberal, too. He is intrinsically weak on defense and national sovereignty, especially on foreign policy and environmental matters, anemic on traditional values and passionately in favor of redistributing wealth -- except for his own.
But Kerry isn't nearly as shrewd as Clinton and is a far worse actor. When pressed about his inconsistencies, he is much less artful in explaining the inexplicable or justifying the unjustifiable. He has no drama arrows in his quiver remotely approaching Clinton's lower-lip bite. Instead, when he's trapped, he's exposed as a man deeply uncomfortable in his own skin.
Unlike Clinton, Kerry isn't convincing as anything other than the liberal he is. So when he pretends to be to the right of George Bush on national security, it's laughable. But he has to try something, because during wartime at least, liberalism just doesn't play well among the majority of Americans, despite talk of the nation being evenly divided.
So the answer to the question raised by various tone-deaf liberal publications is that Kerry is struggling to find a theme because the positions he's comfortable with simply won't work in America right now. It's no accident, then, that Kerry is flailing around for coherence, one day armed with the machismo of a war hero and the next back to his Jane Fondaesque roots.
Indeed, perhaps we should view his paradoxical beginning as both a war hero and war protester as a foreshadowing of his future political career. One day he was working on behalf of our troops in Vietnam, and the next working against them. And now one day he supports our troops in Iraq, and the next day he cuts their legs out from under them.
There is a potential silver lining for Kerry. If things get much worse in Iraq, he'll be able to revert to his antiwar propensities, where he'll once again be comfortable in his skin. But until that time he will have to continue vacillating and straddling the fence, thus the endless flip-flopping.
We saw this again recently when Kerry even began to hedge his bets on WMD. "We may yet find them," Kerry told "Hardball's" Chris Matthews. How does Mr. Kerry plan on reconciling that admission with his party's overt accusation that President Bush lied about WMD?
This really highlights Kerry's dilemma. As long as there is ambiguous news coming out of Iraq making it unsafe for Kerry to commit to a position, we can expect more ambivalence, confusion and double-talk emanating from his campaign.
If all else fails, he can return to the mindless hate-Bush theme that brought him to the dance when he inherited the baton from the falling Howard Dean. That will certainly solidify his base, but it will also ensure his defeat in the general election.
Unfortunately for Senator Kerry, most voters just don't believe that President Bush is contemptible. Recent polls reveal that he's more "likable, compassionate and compatible with the voters" than Kerry.
Even more problematic for Kerry is that his inconsistencies make him appear remarkably indecisive and unreliable -- two essential attributes for leadership, especially in wartime.
The result of all this is that Kerry probably can't win the election on his own. In all likelihood he will only become president if things go way south in our war effort. I shudder at the prospect of either of those events.
| Name: | The Cold Hard Facts |
| To: | Left Wing Liar |
Message:
President Bush has an honorable discharge; this allow proves he was never AWOL.
AWOL is a crime, not a matter of left wing opinion. Like the Left Wing Editor has said many times before: show us where and when Bush was found guilty of being AWOL or SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE.
| Name: | Slimmerson 2"ms |
| Name: | A Citizen of The Republic of The U.S.A. |
| To: | Everyone Everywhere |
Message:
As far as I am concerned these persons can be tried and, upon conviction, summarily shot. I mean that literally. There are evidently no extenuating circumstances here. Quite the contrary. The circumstances under which these persons perpetrated these outrages against these prisoners magnify their crimes many-fold! Any officers involved must not be allowed to escape punishment. The gender of the offenders must not be allowed to be used as an excuse for their behavior either.
| Name: | Forum Regular |
| To: | Chaplain's Assistant |
| Name: | The American People |
| To: | SPINdividual |
Message:
I agree, the slogan should be stated this way
"We Democrats plan to lie about President Bush's service records"
| Name: | Rau Ru |
| To: | Slimmerson 2ms |
Message:
Hey! Stick around here more! This place needs some sane, common-sense perspective.
| Name: | The American People |
| To: | Spin-dividual |
Message:
Please explain how that is supposed to work?
1. President Bush has not run trillions in deficits (that is a lie)
2. Explain how deficits fund our economy.
3. If you are too stupid to explain your statement, ask your granddaughter to explain it although I would guess she has disowned you because you lie too much.
| Name: | Spin City |
Message:
It was a miracle!
| Name: | Honey Bear |
| Re: | Beyond partisan HATE into the realm of MADNESS |
Message:
Merci Moi is a mental case.
| Name: | Smedley |
| To: | spIndividual |
Message:
| Name: | Buttram Plumbing |
| To: | The Beguiled |
| Re: | MadKane |
Message:
Hi and welcome to another issue of MadKane Humor. And a special welcome
to my new subscribers.
So, what have I been up to lately? For one thing, I've been busy not
getting my tax return filed.
Oh -- you mean, what have I been doing on the anti-Bush front? Well, I did write the education lies chapter of "Big Bush Lies." Edited by Jerry "Politex" Barrett of BushWatch, it includes 20 essays about George W. Bush written by academics, legal experts, financial leaders, activists, and journalists. You can order it directly from the publisher @ http://www.riverwoodbooks.com/books/Big-Bush-Lies.html or from Amazon.com @ g=madeleibegunkane&path=tg/detail/-/1883991943/qid%3D1080411890/sr%3D1-1
| Name: | Frank X. Buck |
| To: | Participants |
| Re: | Change in Forum atmosphere in recent days |
Message:
It is said: "Who pays the piper calls the tune".
I wonder if there is a new sponsor...?
| Name: | wondering wanderer |
| To: | forum |
| Re: | Job opening at homeland security |
Message:
If "There is no reason to suspect that they are a terrorism threat" will the court be linient? Will the illegals be sent back to Canada at least? Is bribing a gov't agent OK now? I might need a favor later on and I need to be clear if I can evade the law if my bribe is detected. I wouldn't mant to break the law.
| Name: | Why John Kerry will never be president |
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH FORMS ORGANIZATION
Goals are to restore honor of Vietnam vets; Rebut John Kerry’s unanswered lies; Bring the truth about Kerry’s service to the public
(May 4-Washington, D.C.) Today, a group of Swift Boat veterans from the unit in which Senator John Kerry served announced the formation of an organization, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The organization has been formed in order to bring the truth about Kerry to the American people. The organization intends to discuss Kerry’s war crimes charges, Kerry’s record and to request that Kerry authorize the Department of Defense to release the originals and the complete files relating to his military service and medical military records.
The group released a historic letter expressing the overwhelming opposition of those who served with Kerry or in his unit to his misrepresentation of his record and the unit’s record. The letter is signed by Swift Boat veterans at all levels and from the entire political spectrum; the entire chain of command during the period Kerry served in Vietnam; veterans who participated in the engagements resulting in his medals; and the majority of officers who served with him in Coastal Division 11, the unit in which he spent most of his four month tour of duty. Public circulation of the letter began one week ago and collected hundreds of signatures. The signers already make up a majority of the Swift Vets whose addresses can be found. The complete record of signers and comments will be posted on Swiftvets.com.
Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, USN (retired), Commander of Coastal Surveillance Force Vietnam (Commander Task Force 115) and chair of the group said, “I signed this letter because I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust - all absolute tenets of command.”
“We don’t understand why Kerry would make the centerpiece of his campaign an exaggerated account of his four month service in Vietnam 33 years ago, but since he is, we believe the American public is entitled to the truth about his service and about his charges about war crimes and atrocities,” explained John O’Neill, a Swift Boat veteran who took charge of Kerry’s boat a few months after Kerry’s departure and who debated Kerry in 1971.
The Swift Boat Vets for Truth include the entire chain of command above Kerry: Lt. Commander Grant Hibbard, Lt. Commander Elliott, Captain Charles Plumly, Captain Adrian Lonsdale USCG (retired) and Rear Admiral Hoffmann (retired), as well as enlisted men, officers, men who served with Mr. Kerry, men who served in the same group of Swift boats and men intimately familiar with the operations and conduct of Swift boat operations during the war. The group also includes James Zumwalt, Lt. Colonel, U.S.M.C. (retired), representing his father, Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, and brother, Lt. Elmo Zumwalt III, both deceased.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is a Special Purpose Political Action Committee.
Chairman, Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (retired)
Treasurer, Weymouth “Wey” Symmes
PO Box 26184
Alexandria, VA 22313
www.swiftvets.com
WHAT IS A SWIFT BOAT?
A Swift Boat is a 22-ton heavily armed, 50-foot, shallow draft aluminum patrol craft similar to the utility boats servicing oil platforms and other offshore facilities in the Gulf of Mexico. These boats are known also by the U. S. Navy designation as PCF or Patrol Craft-Fast.
First introduced into the war in Vietnam in 1966, they are driven by two powerful diesel engines. The boat was armed with paired 50-caliber, aircraft type, ring-mounted machineguns forward over the pilothouse, another 50-caliber machinegun mounted in gyback fashion over an 81-millimeter mortar that is fixed to the afterdeck, and an M-60 light machinegun most often mounted on the sampson post at the bow in front of the pilothouse. The post has a mounting plate, which can also accommodate a Mark 19 forty-millimeter, rapid-fire grenade launcher.
These boats also carried an assortment of other lethal weapons. Fragmentation hand grenades were not permitted on the boats. Concussion grenades were plentiful as a deterrent to swimmers who might try to attack a boat.
The crew usually consisted of five enlisted personnel led by one officer-in-charge. This officer was normally an Ensign or a Lieutenant Junior Grade, 23 to 27 years old. All were volunteers and almost all of them developed a fierce love for their boats.
For all of its deadly weaponry and ordinance, Swift Boats were not armored except around the small magazine located on the centerline under the deck of the main cabin. The skin of a Swift could easily be penetrated by small arms fire and the enemy version of the rocket-propelled grenade could blow out the insides of any Swift Boat while killing or maiming its crew.
| Name: | Why John "The Poodle" Kerry will never be President |
| To: | Poodle lovers |
WASHINGTON – It was the news conference John Kerry did not want to see happen. In a standing-room-only suite at National Press Club, former “Swiftee” John O’Neill, spokesman for Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, told reporters that the junior U.S. senator from Massachusetts spent 45 minutes on the phone with group founder Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, USN (Ret.), trying to “discourage” the band of brothers from going public with their united sentiment that Kerry is unfit to be the nation’s commander in chief.
The effort failed, and in a 90-minute session one veteran after another described with brutal honesty why he fixed his signature to a public letter to the Democrat candidate condemning Kerry’s allegations of war crimes and demanding that the former decorated Swift Boat skipper authorize the Department of Defense to release all his military records.
The letter, which is the centerpiece of the organization’s efforts, is signed, said O’Neill, by Swift Boat veterans “at all levels and from the entire political spectrum; the entire chain of command during the period Kerry served in Vietnam; veterans who participated in the engagements resulting in his medals; and the majority of officers who served with him in Coastal Division 11, the unit in which he spent most of his abbreviated four-month tour of duty.”
Leading off the parade of vets who trooped up to the podium was Rear Adm. Hoffman, who remarked, “I signed this letter because I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust – all absolute tenets of command.”
Hoffman, the former commander of Task Force 115, was near the top of Kerry’s chain of command while the senator was a young lieutenant junior grade serving in Vietnam in 1968-69.
| Name: | Why John Kerry will never be president |
| Re: | John Kerry, confessed war criminal |
Meet The Press, April 18th, 1971
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
JOHN KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down
| Name: | wondering wanderer |
| To: | forum |
Message:
No one will ever know where or how Kerry was wounded. Bob Dole was injured sufficiently for the both of them, however. Maybe Kerry figures others were wounded for his transgressions.
| Name: | THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, & |
| To: | NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH -- so help me God |
Message:
Yes, the Republican "dirty tricks" squad, active ever since the Nixon years, (1968-72) involved many high officials who did anything & everything to interfere with our elections.
John Mitchell was Atty General at that time, & HE WAS accepting bribes of $1 million to cover up WaterGate deals & activities. Gordon Liddy, (either FBI or CIA) was deeply involved in writing the Gemstone Plan, to kill off any journalists on Nixon's "enemies list", & either deport or kill anti-war protestors. (Liddy suggested killing them with drug overdoses). Also, at that time, Repubs sent guys dressed up like hippies to throw oven cleaner at policemen to create a furor, & make the cops hate the protestors. It is all History, found at the WaterGate trials, (which I was watching on TV every day, at the student center at college) AND covered in John Sirica's book "Setting the record straight", -- HE WAS the JUDGE at the WATERGATE TRIAL, and he was a Republican, lest you think it is a "partisan" book
SO NOW we come to 2004. A very important Election is at hand, so the "dirty tricks" guys have been planning for months, how to get their AWOL President elected, in the face of a genuine war hero, who DID serve in Viet Nam & got actual medals for valor & heroism. How can we defeat him?
Well, the Daddy Bush ('W"s father) used to be Director of the CIA, for those of you with amnesia. And as such, he was involved in CIA actions of all kinds. Bay of , & covert ops against Fidel in Cuba. The CIA and BIG OIL are Siamese twins. Where one is, the other is, also. So we see Daddy Bush, (BIG OIL, & ALSO Director of the CIA).
Now, Daddy Bush wants baby Bush, to get re-elected, and he will USE ANY MEANS to accomplish this. For instance, to twist a few arms, threaten a few guys who could go to jail for illegal actions of their past, bribe a few vulnerable old guys, down on their luck, or just recruit a few good old boys who are dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, who would be only TOO glad to smear Kerry to help good old Bush.
Somebody be REAL careful to check the DNA of these vets & swift boat guys, to be SURE they are REALLY the ones who served with Kerry. Clones and fakes could be involved here. Phoney veterans have been filling up cyberspace for quite a while now, mostly saying evil lies about Kerry, trying to discredit him. THIS IS NOT THE NORMAL ACTIONS how VETERANS TREAT their fellow "Brothers in Arms". So these are either fakes, (role playing) or they have been brain-washed and bribed by GOP (manipulated in many ways) to help the Bush campaign, which is in serious trouble now in Iraq.
Recently I saw an article, that said Black Ops (by CIA) are being used against Kerry, (as Bush Daddy was Director, we can only guess at how that got started) and sure enough, NOW we see this new group SWIFT BOAT VETERANS for TRUTH, who are rabidly anti-Kerry in their tone. And guess what? Their address (listed in above post) is Alexandria, VA very near CIA Headquarters. (Naughty Naughty Bush Admin).
| Name: | Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
| To: | Left Wing Liars |
Message:
Supporting Evidence PLEASE!!!
Notice most statements from the Right are accompanied by supporting evidence. Notice most statement from the Left are full of hate, obvious lies, and never any supporting evidence.
Some Left Wingers really made me sick! There is no evidence that Bush was ever AWOL and there is hard evidence he was not. When Vietnam Vets rise in opposition to John Kerry, the hate-filled left just spew forth lies. Clearly the Left could give a damn about Vietnam vets.
Kerry is making his four months in Vietnam the reason why he should be president. Now those the served with him say he is unfit to be president. Now all the Left can do is spew unsupported lies. The game is almost over.
| Name: | Washingtonian |
| To: | Left Wing Liar |
Message:
You are a Left Wing idiot.
Alexandria is about 15 miles from Langley Va (CIA Headquarters). All of Washington DC, much of the Maryland suburbs and all of the Vigirina suburbs including as far south as Occoquan are within 15 miles of Alexandria.
| Name: | The American People |
| To: | Left Wing Liar |
Message:
Can you show us this article or does it only exist in your imagination?
| Name: | Bystander |
| To: | THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, & |
Message:
What does this have to do with soldiers (Vietnam combat vets) that served with John Kerry publicly starting they do not feel John Kerry is fit to be president?
| Name: | The American People |
Message:
The "Dirty tricks" guys, other than the Carville/Clinton team, along with the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" are both figments of paranoid Left Wing imaginations.
| Name: | The Cold Hard Facts |
| To: | Left Wing Liar |
Message:
Give us the date when President Bush was convicted of being AWOL or SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE!
| Name: | Rush Limbaugh's bedfellows |
| Re: | Who Speaks for the GOP? |
Message:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ---- It is ludicrous for the GOP and the Bush Administration to claim that Rush Limbaugh has "no connection" to the RNC or the Bush campaign.
A couple of years ago, the RNC welcomed Rushie to a big party where they made him an "honorary member of Congress". -- Now who's pocket do you think he is in?
Also, during the Reagan/Bush Admin, Rush Limbaugh was welcomed to stay 2 nights at the White House, in the Lincoln Bedroom, visiting with Geo Daddy Bush. This was around the time they launched NSDD # 77 for propaganda & psychological warfare experts to be used on the American airwaves, to influence public opinion for the Reagan/Bush Admin, and to manipulate the vote. (all illegal).
So we have Rush on the airwaves hundreds of hours per week, day in and day out, pushing the straight GOP line, without anybody having to pay millions of dollars of their campaign money for all this FREE Advertising. Shameless.
Meanwhile, Rushie (Chicken Hawk, who never served in Viet Nam), & many of his clones, like Sean Hannity (Fox News) and Michael Savage (radio) are also Chicken Hawks who never served in Viet Nam ---- are busy attacking Kerry.
The hypocrisy has reached epic levels, & meanwhile the American public is either so brain-washed, they cannot see through all this baloney. or they just don't pay attention.
Rush fiercely attacks people (during Iraq) for being anti-War, but during the Viet Nam war, Rush tried to use a college deferment, but flunked out, and so his daddy had a friendly doctor give Rush a "4-F" classification due to his butt cyst. (pylonidal cyst). (A pain in the butt).
Rush fiercely attacks any liberal, saying they are all felons, dope-takers, femi-Nazis, etc. Saying that all dope takers should be in prison. But HE was busy taking many kinds of drugs himself. Quite the DUAL hypocrite !!
Yet this 2 faced liar is highly regarded as a suitable spokesman for the Republican Party, honored at their big fancy parties in Wash DC, & given the status of being an "honorary (GOP) member of Congress" & allowed to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom, in OUR White House. I think that is an insult to all Americans. BUT TO PRETEND that LIMBAUGH is in no way involved with the RNC or Bush campaign, is just a bald-faced hypocritical LIE, -- We should make the RNC pay Rush's salary & air time for all his propaganda talk shows.
| Name: | The Cold Hard Facts |
| To: | Left Wing Liar |
Message:
You are Left Wing Liar and a Left Wing Idiot
George Herbert Walker Bush was director of the CIA from 1976-77.
The Bay of P-i-g-s was directed by President Kennedy (democrat) and it happen is 1961, 15 years BEFORE Bush was director of the CIA.
In 1961 George Herbert Walker Bush was not in government at all, he was running Zapata Petroleum Corp in Texas. In 1960 Bush was elected to the House and in 1970 he was elected to the Senate.
Note to Left Wing Liar: Check the facts before you spew your lies.
| Name: | Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
Message:
Supporting Evidence PLEASE!!!
You forget to mention Daddy Bush's close ties to space aliens and how UFO's from the planet Diebold will be used to control the minds of voters.
| Name: | The American People |
| To: | Left Wing Liar |
Message:
Like usual this Left Wing Liar has it backassward.
It was Kerry that used fake Vietnam vets when he when before the Sentate to attack Vietnam vets and to further his political career.
| Name: | Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
| To: | Left Wing Liar |
Message:
Supporting Evidence PLEASE!!!
| Name: | Momammad Jasil |
| To: | forum French |
| Re: | Why persecute our imams |
Message:
France reassures Muslims
Jon Henley in Paris
Tuesday May 4, 2004
The Guardian
Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French prime minister, reassured the leader of the country's Muslims yesterday of his government's respect for Islam following the recent crackdown on imams.
Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, said Mr Raffarin had told him the expulsion of five suspected radical imams in the past four months "did not reflect any hostility" towards France's 5 million Muslims, the largest community in Europe.
In return Mr Boubakeur promised to improve training for Islamic clerics and to draw up a list of authorised imams.
According to the interior ministry 10% of France's 1,000-1,500 imams are citizens, less than half speak French and many are illegal immigrants.
Mr Boubakeur, who asked for the meeting last week after accusing the media of portraying France's imams as "a horde of foreign mercenaries without the slightest regard for the rule of law", said the biggest problem was "to ensure [imams] don't mix religion and politics".
He said yesterday: "Eighty percent of imams in France match the criteria recognised by Islam but there are a minority which I believe are not worthy of their mission."
Two radical imams have been expelled from France in the past two weeks, including Abdelkader Bouziane, a Lyon cleric, who publicly supported wife-beating. The government is appealing against a court's decision that Mr Bouziane's expulsion was illegal.
Yesterday a French judge ordered Midhat Guler, a Turkish imam in Paris, to be held under house arrest after his arrest at the weekend on suspicion of leading a group that advocated terrorism. Mr Guler's son, Abdurrahman, said his father did not preach and did not understand why he was being held.
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| Name: | Editor |
| To: | complaints |
Message:
Lots of complaints today about the masthead from the Asia Times.
What is it you are trying to say? That abuses do not happen in wars? Or that the abuses in Iraq never happened? Just what is it?
The message here is that War is Hell. Are you really going to doubt this? Are you blaming me for it? Then why am I being bashed for the masthead?Is it because you don't want to be reminded again? Did you want something warm and fuzzy for today?
Once the war starts there's is no telling what can happen. War strategists plan wars for a win and, hopefully, they also plan for no abuses occur. But war is also mass confusion at times. All the killing makes people go mad and do terrible things they would never do in ordinary life.
Why is this anti-American? What the writer is saying is a fact of war. All wars.
And why must I always put mastheads on the forum that you like? That is not the purpose of the mastheads. The mastheads are there to make you think. Clearly this masthead from Asia has done the job.
Maybe you want to put this behind you and bash bordertex instead. Yeah! That would be much more fun, but as Hillary said: We started this war and we own it. Colin Powell also said something like that to Bush.
We own it. All those who supported the war, which includes myself, own it.
I'm not going to put my head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen. Or much worse, some are trying to have us believe that the pictures are fake.
Do I think we should not have gone to war? No I don't. Despite everything bad that has happened I still believe we have made a paradigm shift in the Middle East.
But a lot depends on how we handle the abuses. We must make it clear to the world that we do not tolerate this behavior. Words alone will not cut it. We must bring everyone from the bottom all the way to the top into the investigation. It should be an open investigation with severe punishments so that the world knows we do not tolerate it.
Punishing the little guys at the bottom will not cut it. The little guys would not proudly photograph their abuses unless they were getting signals from the top.
| Name: | Taco Bell |
| To: | Commie Art |
Message:
What pissant drivel!
| Name: | Bystander |
| To: | left wing stooge |
Message:
That makes about as much sense as saying who's pocket is Al Frankin in
Does that mean the DNC controls Al Frankins actions?
| Name: | Right VS Left |
| To: | Who is the most honest? |
JOHN KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down
REPUBLICAN ANSWER:
LIARS! I never did anything like that. Liberal liars are trying stop me from getting elected. Scum that they are. Why do Democrats lie so much. No right-winger has ever committed these acts. Only liberals commit these atrocities. We are moral, God fearing soldiers who pray for God's guidance before we fight. Lies, lies, lies - Liberals lie.
| Name: | The American People |
| To: | Editor |
Message:
Equating disrespectful and psychological abuse (in which nobody was physically harmed) with rape, torture, murder, dismemberment and mutilation is wrong. This article is Left Wing anti-American propaganda.
| Name: | What do Left Wingers lie so much |
| To: | Right VS Left |
Message:
Has any Right Winger made any statement like that? No.
What do Left Wingers lie so much?
BTW: The Liberal answer is not a liberal answer, it was posted by a Right Winger pointing out Kerry is not worthy to be president. The Left Wing answer was to call right wingers liars without providing any supporting evidence and to made silly comments about Watergate all laces with lies.
| Name: | Dr. Art |
| To: | ET |
Message:
I have a better idea! We can concentrate on winning the war and democratizing Iraq. Then we can send in the trial lawyers and the touchy-feely psycho-pukes to assist the mentally injured. This is just another distraction by the lefty salad-tossers to try to subvert the true mission in Iraq. Time to grow up and understand what the phrase, "War is Hell" really means.
| Name: | Specialist Caspian |
| To: | Forum |
Message:
Rightwingers are perhaps not so much immoral as they are amoral. It's not that they take pleasure in causing so much death and suffering. It's that they just don't care ... the same that could be said about a sociopath. As long as the death and suffering advance the agenda of the empire, as long as the right people and the right corporations gain wealth and power and privilege and prestige, as long as the death and suffering aren't happening to them or people close to them ... then they just don't care about it happening to other people, including the American soldiers whom they throw into wars and who come home-the ones who make it back alive-with Agent Orange or Gulf War Syndrome eating away at their bodies. Rightwingers would not be in the positions they hold if they were bothered by such things.
| Name: | Left Wing Moron Patrol |
| To: | Rush Limbaugh's bedfellows |
Message:
Sean Hannity was 11 when the Vietnam War ended.
moron.
| Name: | Mercy Moi |
| To: | Chica |
Message:
Well, honey, FYI, (for your information), ---- that entire post was a SATIRE, --- it was a Repeat, or Duplicate of the post Smedley (or someone else) made about ME.
The whole entire post was pretty near identical to the post Smedley (or whomever) made INSULTING ME, but to make the point, I quoted it, & then inserted other names.
So the AUTHOR of that article that you hated so much, was from the mind & pen of dear old Smedley (or whoever else is using an anonymous right wing moniker that day).
Sorry, it wasn't written by me. Cheers! Happy Day!! BUT NOTICE HOW QUICKLY YOU ATTACK THAT POST WHEN YOU THINK IT Was WRITTEN by ME, and how you IGNORED THAT VERY SAME POST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS WRITTEN BY SMEDDLES. (ha)
| Name: | Specialist Caspian |
| To: | forum |
| Name: | Why do Left Wingers lie so much |
| To: | What do Left Wingers lie so much |
| Name: | Milan |
| To: | Editor, Art |
| Re: | The mastheads are there to make you "think" |
2) that apart from a few misguided individuals, American soldiers are enlightened and humane killing, raping and torturing
Message:
1) ANY comparison of what happened in Iraq to the My Lai massacre is much more a knee-jerk reaction than thinking
2) Any suggestion that rape is part of a soldiers "job" can only come from a cowering loser who believes that there is NOTHING worth fighting for.
| Name: | Specialist Caspian |
Message:
Our politics, religion, news, athletics, education and commerce have been transformed into congenial adjuncts of show business, largely without protest or even much popular notice. The result is that we are a people on the verge of amusing ourselves to death.
| Name: | The American People |
Message:
That is a large heaping helping of pure unadulterated, completely unsupported Left Wing Bullsh!t.
| Name: | Specialist Caspian |
| To: | Editors Masthead |
Message:
Just as the United States trained Latin American military and police in methods of fighting against "populism" in their countries, by this means helping to produce a "favorable climate of investment" by bringing into power National Security States, so a large, well-trained, and ruthless police is needed in the home country as it pushes a right-wing agenda that is contrary to the interests of a vast majority of the American people.
| Name: | Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
| To: | Specialist Caspian |
| Re: | Left Wing lies and unsupported nonsense |
Supporting Evidence PLEASE!!!
A culture of militarism has saturated the public sphere, including academia, endowing all U.S. interventions abroad with a patina of patriotic goodness and democratic sensibilities beyond genuine interrogation.
Supporting Evidence PLEASE!!!
Anyone challenging this mythology is quickly marginalized, branded a traitor or Communist or terrorist or simply a lunatic beyond the pale of reasonable discussion.
Supporting Evidence PLEASE!!!
It just makes me sick.
Clearly you are sick
| Name: | The American People |
| To: | Specialist Caspian |
Message:
Clearly you speak only for yourself.
| Name: | Specialist Caspian |
| To: | Democracy is a state of grace |
| Re: | Right-wing pundits |
Message:
This country is in the grip of a President who was not elected, who has surrounded himself with thugs in suits who care nothing about human life abroad or here, who care nothing about freedom abroad or here, who care nothing about what happens to the earth. The So-called war on terrorism is not only a war on innocent people in other countries, but it is also a war on the people of the United States a war on our liberties, a war on our standard of living. The wealth of the country is being stolen from the people and handed over to the superrich. The lives of our young are being stolen. And the thieves are in the White House. Just look all around you mate.
| Name: | Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
Message:
Supporting Evidence PLEASE!!!
| Name: | Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
| To: | Specialist Caspian |
| Re: | Hate-filled Left Wing Liar Spewing unsupported BS |
Message:
Supporting Evidence PLEASE
| Name: | Bystander |
| To: | Specialist Caspian |
Message:
You are correct, John Kerry is superrich.
| Name: | Specialist Caspian |
| To: | American People |
| Re: | 911 threat |
Message:
Clearly George Bush is taking advantage of our grief, and our fear that "9/11" may happen again, an appointed president uses the dead of 9/11 as a convenient cover, a justification, for permanently altering our American way of life. Is that why they died, so that George W. Bush can turn the country into Texas? If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
| Name: | Goober |
| To: | Communisto |
Texas State Representative Debbie Riddle of Houston
| Name: | Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
| To: | Specialist Caspian |
Message:
Supporting Evidence PLEASE!!!
Give us some examples of Bush's permanent alteration of our American way of life...unless of course you are just a .
| Name: | Specialist Caspian |
Message:
John Kerry! Read the above slant articles pal. Little Hillary "Commie" pics. so on.
| Name: | Specialist Caspian |
Message:
Patriot Act . Homeland security... Need more? Arrest of American Citizens without due process....
| Name: | marvin |
| To: | Foolish |
Message:
This war in Iraq , is intended to mark the official emergence of the United States as a full-fledged global empire, seizing sole responsibility and authority as planetary policeman. It would be the culmination of a plan many years or more in the making, carried out by those who believe the United States must seize the opportunity for global domination, even if it means becoming the "American imperialists" that our enemies always claimed we were."
| Name: | Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
| To: | Specialist Caspian |
Patriot Act . Homeland security... Need more? Arrest of American Citizens without due process....
Message:
1. How do you think the Patriot Act altered our "American way of life"? Please be specific and provide supporting evidence.
2. Could you give us example of the arrest of American Citizens without due process?
3. Do you understand what the term "supporting evidence" means?
| Name: | Lurch |
| Name: | Lurch |
It's true, but the Neocons keep on digging it back up to whitewash it and malign Kerry. Any of us who were old enough to remember and not senile now recall the horror, atrocities and deep divisions that war caused here in America. It disgusting to see the Neocons try to whitewash the War and Nixon, when this was one of the Darkest moments I've lived through up to 9/11.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | The American People |
| Re: | RELATIVE MORALITY |
Message:
Oh NO!!!! - I was just waiting for somebody on the right to excuse the Iraqi prisoner abuses because other regimes are worse. UGH!
RELATIVE MORALITY: "Our acts are not, in themselves moral or immoral, until they are compared to the acts of others. If others commit worse acts than we do our acts are moral. As long as our acts are not more immoral than the lowest common denominator we're OK."
When did Relative Morality become an acceptable standard to measure the morality of our actions? When did Relative Morality start overriding all other moral codes?
It never used to be like this. When I was a child, and Americans have agreed with me here, that when they were children their parents and teachers quickly stamped out any attempt to resort to relative morality as an excuse for their immoral or stupid acts. The usual phrase my parents would use is: "If Johnny stuck his head in the fire does than mean you must too?"
If you survey Americans most will say they are religious and attend church. But what does that mean if so many of them practice relative morality, conveniently lowering the bar whenever it suits them.
| Name: | Dr Hoess |
| To: | Wild Bill |
| Re: | Kerry For President |
| Name: | Somebody pretending to be Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
| To: | ET |
| Name: | The American People |
| To: | ET |
Message:
Are you insane?
I did not excuse anything.
| Name: | Forum |
Message:
About Jan 1993...
| Name: | Editor |
| To: | Supporting Evidence PLEASE |
Message:
I took off the nazi images. Did I remove pretty flags?
| Name: | The American People |
It's true, but the Neocons keep on digging it back up to whitewash it and malign Kerry.
Message:
I see. It is ok for Left Wing Extremists to spent 4 years making false accusations about President Bush in regards to his activities over 32 years ago but it is WRONG WRONG WRONG for the American People to look into John Kerry's Vietnam experience even though he has made it the centerpiece of his campaign for the presidency.
Left Wingers are getting more and more warped each day.
| Name: | Southern Baptist Snake Ritual |
| To: | Merci MOO!! |
| Re: | Hate fantasy from the cud of Merci MOO! |
Message:
Aw, shuttup, MOO, you demented old liar!
| Name: | The American People |
| To: | ET |
Message:
What the HELL are you talking about?
I said "Equating disrespectful and psychological abuse (in which nobody was physically harmed) with rape, torture, murder, dismemberment and mutilation is wrong. This article is Left Wing anti-American propaganda." and you replied with some nonsense about "relative morality"!!!!!
Do you think disrespectful and psychological abuse is equal to rape, torture, murder, dismemberment and mutilation? What the heck is your term "relative morality" supposed to mean. The definition seems to be ever changing to meet your needs. Is it "relative morality" to point out killing a person is much worse than psychological abuse?
MY GOD, have left wingers collectively lost their minds!
| Name: | The Real Deal |
| To: | The American People |
Message:
It's called Relative Morality
John Kerry's performance evaluations show "not observed" is that proof he was AWOL?
| Name: | Fun Facts |
| To: | Left Wingers in need of history lesson |
Message:
Fun Facts:
President Kennedy (Democrat) got us into the Vietnam War
President Johnson (Democrat) escalated the war and turned it into the giant mess.
President Nixon (Republican) ended the Vietnam War.
nuff said
nuff spin
| Name: | Bingo |
Message:
BINGO.
Left Wingers need to look no further than the mirror if they wish to experience relative morality.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | The American People |
Message:
Why do you think calling me "insane" is going to help your cause? Do you think you are going to win this argument by insulting me? Or maybe you think it's OK to insult me because others insult me worse, or I insult others, or...some other excuse? So what's your excuse for insult me?
You said it was "wrong" to compare the Iraqi abuses to worse abuses. Why are you trying to soften the Iraqi abuses? Why are you defending them?
We were supposed to be the "liberators" ... As liberators we are to be above the evil monsters that commit heinous acts. As liberators we are to liberate not violate the Geneva Convention rules.
| Name: | Free Republic |
| To: | The American People |
Message:
You would be an ideal member of the Free Republic forum. Why do you hang out here. This place demands a higher standard from its members. All you can do is insult.
| Name: | The Real Deal |
| To: | ET |
| Re: | Kerry Wannabe's in Iraq |
Message:
The offenders have been investigated, the CO has been relieved of command. President Bush has come down hard against them, everyone in the administration has denounced the offenders (who are being tried). What else would you have them do? Do you paint your son-in-law with the same brush this masthead article does?
| Name: | Marco Polo |
| To: | Jeanne Dixon In Hell!! |
| Re: | Merci Moo is a hateful and delusaional old LIAR! |
Message:
Women’s health activists rally in Washington
Clinton speaks out on women’s rights, Roe v. Wade & Mung Beans
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., waves to the crowd of pro-choice demonstrators in Washington on Sunday morning following a pre-rally breakfast of Rocky Mountain Oysters and Finlandia. (PHOTO)
Updated: 10:28 a.m. ET April 25, 2004WASHINGTON - Tens of thousands of women began gathering for a pro-abortion rally Sunday as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton told several hundred of them the issue is about women gaining full immunisty from their credit card debt.
At a pre-rally breakfast and conciousness-raising, Clinton said the Bush administration is “filled with gorillas” who view the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion ruling by the Supreme Court “the worst abomination of constitutional law.”
“This administration is filled with people who disparage a Halliburton plot to blow Bordertex off her toilet... who consider the sixteenth amendment the worst abrogation of constitutional law in our history,” said one of the gorillas, D-N.Y.
Several hundred screeching wopyrsyns, joined by a scattering of balding, effete, and timid HIV positive men, attended the abortionfest. They were a small part of what rally organizers said would be as many as 750,000,000 gorillas who planned to gather on the National Mall and roll in the dirt for Abortion in Washington.
By midmorning, tens of thousands of gorillas and other large apes, many strumming guitars and singing doggerel tunes badly while swilling bottled water, had already gathered on the Mall, many carrying brightly colored paper-mache puppets of Mr. Rogers, Molly Ivins, Cheney, and Big Bird. It’s your choice, not theirs, said one placard. Busloads of gorillas and other great apes, including Merci MOO, continued to arrive throughout the day as the screeching, drumming, and "singing" got louder and more raucous. A (male) hot dog vendor was stripped naked, abused, and ejected from the gathering by an inflamed mob led by Merci MOO, and his cart was demolished and his wares trampled by crazed wopyrsyns chanting "MEAT IS DEAD! FUR IS DEAD!! WHEN WILL THE DEAD BE FED??!! OSCAR DELARENTA SUCKS!! ANY ICE TODAY, LADY??!
| Name: | Mark Rickard |
Listen. 130,000 troops. The fact that around 20 psychos got through has got to be put into perspective. To do otherwise is completely out-of-hand. What would we be like if this attitude was pervasive? Well, Saudi Arabia would be a smoking hole in the ground because of 15 of 19 dissidents, for one.
Quinn's Law #1: liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. Thank god we have a commander-in-chief with control, conscience, and a brain. One who never committed atrocities in much the same manner and got away with it.
| Name: | Flaco Jimenez |
| Re: | Merci Moi: Dis-accordion extraordinaire |
Message:
Bullsh!t. READ MERCI MOO! ANYTHING SHE HAS EVER POSTED HER UNDER ANY NAME! I DARE YOU! Her crpa is very easy to identify. I can do it, and I'm sure you can.
| Name: | ET |
| To: | The Real Deal |
Message:
"What else would you have them do?"
Get those at the top. Not just the little guys at the bottom. Make a big investigation because it IS the most important investigation of it's kind. We were supposed to be the liberators not the violators of the Geneva Convention. This was not an ordinary war.
"Do you paint your son-in-law with the same brush this masthead article does?"
That is EXACTLY my point! My son-in-law and all of us are being painted with the same brush. You, me and every American.
EDITORIAL
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rose-bespectacled, this is not only the American way of war, it
is the way of all sides in all wars.