The United States is in trouble because it cannot abandon Iraq, nor provide enough manpower to run the country, nor gather world allies willing to provide the necessary assistance for the gigantic task
   

 



The United States is in trouble because it cannot abandon Iraq, nor provide enough manpower to run the country, nor gather world allies willing to provide the necessary assistance for the gigantic task.

 

"Bush Policies Endangering Mideast Stability"

 
BEIRUT (AFP) -- Former US first lady Hillary Clinton said the "stubborn" policies of President George W. Bush's administration were endangering stability in the Middle East, a daily reported Monday.

The New York Democrat senator told the London-based Arab daily Asharq al-Awsat that the Bush administration had not been "frank" with the American people concerning the human and financial costs in Iraq.

She said the United States was in trouble because it could not abandon Iraq, nor provide enough manpower to run the country, nor gather world allies willing to provide the necessary assistance for the gigantic task.

She described the Bush administration as "stubborn and arrogant" for refusing to admit its mistakes which were endangering US soldiers, Iraqis and stability in the Middle East.

Clinton said the June 30 deadline for handing over sovereignty to the Iraqis was a "last chance" not to be missed.   source...


Name:   Thomas Baker
To:   bordertex you right about mistake Bush won't admit

Re:   my illegal immigration to paradise
In response to:
Illegal Entry From Mexico to U.S. Rises Suddenly on Apr 27, 9:18 PM (ET)By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ (AP) SASABE, Mexico (AP) - After a four-year decline, illegal immigration from Mexico is spiking as several thousand migrants a day rush across the border in hopes of getting work visas under a program President Bush proposed. Many also are trying to beat tighter security to come in June.The U.S. border patrol told The Associated Press that detentions - which it uses to judge illegal migration rates - jumped 25 percent to 535,000 in the six months ending March 31 compared to a year ago.Near Sasabe, a t ...

Message:
I dont need no 72 vergins, I dont need no cadillac. Im in paradise now. got no legal papers, doing lots of things. I do as i please. if I want to drive drunk with no paper,unregistered car. got your job gringo. I bought your name card for $100 I just pay back Jose the !00. I mow grass, i go to stores and steal. I dont like drugs. I like beer, and rum and wisky and tekila. I hear about crusers who hang out at schools checking out the girls. I go to cantinas for action. this friend will teach me things. He's typing this for me 'cause I got to learn this. I didn't get far in school in Mexico. I have a lady with two kids who wants me. She says free child hospital and stuff is good and I don't need much money just cash. She stays with some other people but says gringos are crazy and will buy her a place for her and the kids or pay her rent. Can't beat that. If gringo is that dumb why not? I'm in paradise and I know about the 72 vergins that Arab guy pronised. I don't need that and I can live in paradise.


Name:   new yorker
To:   forum

Re:   our senators
Message:
Throughout the albany/schenectady/troy area, our Senators are known as "The kike and the Dyke."


Name:   Hillary Fan
To:   Hillary for President 2004

In response to:
The United States is in trouble because it cannot abandon Iraq, nor provide enough manpower to run the country, nor gather world allies willing to provide the necessary assistance for the gigantic task.

Message:
Forget Hillary for President 2008. We want Hillary NOW!!!

We're going to draft you for president at the convention, Hillary. Drafted means drafted. No getting out of it this time Hillary. Just like the military. You've got to serve. No cushie-cushie having a good time in New York. You're going to take on the tough job of president.

You've got to take over from Bush. This is as far as he can go and only you can pull in the international peacekeeping forces, and the Muslim countries too, in order to bring stability to Iraq.


Name:   Hillary fan
To:   new yorker

In response to:
Throughout the albany/schenectady/troy area, our Senators are known as "The kike and the Dyke."

Message:
Your area obviously likes Kykes and Dykes because 62% believe Hillary is doing a good job, according to the polls.

Seems the only folk in the albany/schenectady/troy area that call them Kyke and Dyke are the low-life, anti-semetic, bigots like you.


Name:   Al Jazzar, FCSOB, ANP,UAL.CONAIR
To:   mourning families misused by news hounds

Re:   Got a "Lucas Wall type at YOUR PAPER? FIRE HIM!
In response to:
Walters said his family did not want to discuss their sentiments about the war or the political debate surrounding President Bush's failure to find weapons of mass destruction, one of the prime reasons cited for invading Iraq last year.

Message:
Personal To "Lucas Wall" and his friends at USA Newspapers:

Want to "twist the knife" in a grieving family member? Want to aggrieve the morning and those with lost loved ones making points for your side? Send your resume to "Pravda" or "Al Jizizzim". Work for the "Fifth Column" and the Anti-War Movement USA (Even if you are already an insider with a Hurst Syndicate or other newspaper. You can do both. Get your name and article published on the World Wide Web at Al-Jizzim's fabulous web site!) Get bonus Vacations in France, Russia, Germany and Belgium. Tour the sunny Middle East from a Corvette Stingray or a Private Jet or perhaps a MIG jet fighter!

Your skills can earn you a fortune, fame, and add prestigue to your name. Rub elbows with John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, Susan Saran,and others.

Apply TODAY!


Name:   XYZ
To:   ALL

Re:   YOU NEED TO READ THIS
Message:
A PLEA FROM A MARINE IN IRAQ

Hello Everyone, I am taking time to ask you all for your help.

First off, I'd like to say that this is not a political message. I'm not concerned about domestic politics right now. We have much bigger things to deal with, and we need your help.

It seems that despite the tremendous and heroic efforts of the men and women serving here in Iraq to bring much needed peace and stability to this region, we are losing the war of perception with the media and American people. Our enemy has learned that the key to defeating the mighty American military is by swaying public opinion at home and abroad. We are a people that cherish the democratic system of government and therefore hold the will of the people in the highest regard. We love to criticize ourselves almost to an endless degree, because we care what others think. Our enemies see this as a weakness and are trying to exploit it.

When we ask ourselves questions like, "Why do they hate us?" or "What did we do wrong?" we are playing into our enemies' hands. Our natural tendency to question ourselves is being used against us to undermine our effort to do good in the world. How far would we have gotten if after the surprise attacks on December 7, 1941 at Pearl Harbor, we would have asked, "Why do the Japanese hate us so much?" or "How can we change ourselves so that they won't do that again?" Here in Iraq the enemy is trying very hard to portray our efforts as failing and fruitless. They kill innocents and desecrate their bodies in hopes that the people back home will lose the will to fight for liberty. They are betting on our perceived weakness as a thoughtful, considerate people. Unfortunately our media only serves to further their cause.

In an industry that feeds on ratings and bad news, a failure in Iraq would be a goldmine. When our so-called "trusted" American media takes a quote from an Iraqi doctor as the gospel truth over that of the men and women that are daily fighting to protect the right to freedom of press, you know something is wrong. That doctor claimed that out of 600 Iraqis, that were casualties of the fighting, the vast majority of them were women, children and the elderly. This is totally absurd. In the history of man, no one has spent more time and effort, often to the detriment of our own mission, to be more discriminate in our targeting of the enemy than the American military. The Marines and Soldiers serving in Iraq have gone through extensive training in order to limit the amount of innocent casualties and collateral damage.

Yet, despite all of this, our media consistently sides with those who openly lie and directly challenge the honor of our brave heroes fighting for liberty and peace. What we have to remember is that peace is not defined as an absence of war. It is the presence of liberty, stability, and prosperity. In the face of the horrendous tyranny of the former Iraqi regime, the only way true peace was able to come to this region was through force.

That is what the American Revolution was all about. Have we forgotten? Freedom is not free and "peace" without principle is not peace. The peace that so-called "peace advocates" support can only be brought to Iraq through the military. And we are doing it, if only the world will let us! If the American people believe we are failing, even if we are not, then we will ultimately fail.

That is why I am asking for your support. Become a voice of truth in your community. Wherever you are fight the lies of the enemy. Don't buy into the pessimism and apathy that says, "It's hopeless," "They hate us too much," "That part of the world is just too messed up," "It's our fault anyway," "We're to blame," and so forth. Whether you're in middle school, working at a 9-5 job, retired, or a stay-at-home mom you can make a huge difference!

There is nothing more powerful than the truth. So, when you watch the news and see doomsday predictions and spiteful opinions on our efforts over here, you can refute them by knowing that we are doing a tremendous amount of good. Spread the word. No one is poised to make such an amazing contribution to the everyday lives of Iraqis and the rest of the Arab world than the American Armed Forces.

By making this a place where liberty can finally grow, we are making the whole world safer. Your efforts at home are directly tied to our success. You are the soldiers at home fighting the war of perception. So I'm asking you as a fellow fighting man: Do your duty. Stop the attempts of the enemy wherever you are. You are a mighty force for good, because truth is on your side. Together we will win this fight and ensure a better world for the future.

God Bless and Semper Fidelis, 1st Lt. Robert L. Nofsinger USMC Ramadi, Iraq


Name:   In Shock And Awe, An Epiphany...
To:   HILLARY SUPPORTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re:   HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In response to:
You've got to take over from Bush. This is as far as he can go and only you can pull in the international peacekeeping forces, and the Muslim countries too, in order to bring stability to Iraq.

Message:
She is RADIANT, She is BRILLIANT, and SHE IS HUMANITY'S LAST HOPE! GET IN LINE, PEOPLE, AND RECOGNIZE THE NEW MESSIAH!


Name:   Patriot
To:   Hillary Clinton

In response to:
She said the United States was in trouble because it could not abandon Iraq, nor provide enough manpower to run the country, nor gather world allies willing to provide the necessary assistance for the gigantic task.

Message:
You are a treasonous traitor, you deserve to be prosecuted and placed in prison or hung.

What kind of a United States Senator would actually post an opinion like this in the enemies press? You are a disgrace and you deserve to be punished. You are directly responsible as a willing accomplice to murderers and terrorists for the killing of American citizens. You are a willing accomplice to murder.

You physically make me sick!!!


Name:   Patriot
In response to:
She is RADIANT, She is BRILLIANT, and SHE IS HUMANITY'S LAST HOPE! GET IN LINE, PEOPLE, AND RECOGNIZE THE NEW MESSIAH!

Message:
She is shrill, she is hateful and she is a traitor to her country. Prosecute and execute the witch!!


Name:   Patriot
In response to:
Forget Hillary for President 2008. We want Hillary NOW!!!

Message:
In chains and shackles facing the gallows!


Name:   MOSCOW TIMES
Message:

MOSCOW  TIMES

Bush's insoluble dilemma in Iraq


The doomsayers' gloomiest predictions of a "new Vietnam" in Iraq are coming true.  The process of forming an "Iraqi" government, more than anything else, has revealed George W. Bush's statements about bringing freedom and democracy to the Middle East to be empty rhetoric. Most Iraqis now clearly see that an occupying army is creating a new government as a prerequisite to a prolonged stay in the country, not to withdrawal.

The White House faces an insoluble dilemma: It cannot leave Iraq and it cannot stay. In chess this quandary is called "zugzwang," when it is your turn to move, but all possible moves will weaken your position. 

U.S. interests would be best served by admitting defeat and getting out now. For Bush and his clan this would be political suicide, however. and they don't seem like the kind of people who are willing to sacrifice their own ambitions for the common good. Bush will drag out the war, increasing U.S. troop strength in Iraq. This will lead to even greater loss of life on both sides, to animosity and the growth of Muslim radicalism. If Bush wins a second term in November, he will spend the next four years helplessly trying to cope with the problems he has created, and in the end his attempts will lead to catastrophe.

Should the Democrat John Kerry prevail, he will face a no-win situation. If he sticks to Bush's policy in Iraq, he will rouse the ire of many of his core supporters. If he decides to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq, he will be blamed for defeat. Whatever happens, the outcome will have serious domestic political consequences for the United States. As for Iraq, a U.S. withdrawal will quite possibly usher in a period of chaos. This is not an argument in favor of prolonging the occupation, however. The United States must withdraw in any case. The longer the war lasts, the harder it will be for everyone involved to deal with its consequences.   source...


Name:   Screw The NEA
Message:
WASHINGTON — The National Education Association (search), a 2.7 million member teachers' union, is a co-sponsor for the pro-abortion rights March for Women's Lives (search), angering pro-life educators who say the NEA should stay out of the abortion debate.

I know they want fewer kids in the classroom...but D@mn


Name:   Patriot
Message:
A silly question.

How come if a woman makes a Bald Eagle Omlette she goes to jail, but if she kills a baby that is legal?


Name:   Studley Hungwell
In response to:
They are betting on our perceived weakness as a thoughtful, considerate people. Unfortunately our media only serves to further their cause. In an industry that feeds on ratings and bad news, a failure in Iraq would be a goldmine.

Message:
It's not only the media that has that attitude. So does the DNC.


Name:   Watertown
In response to:
Throughout the albany/schenectady/troy area, our Senators are known as "The kike and the Dyke."

Message:
Here we call the the wimp and the pimp.


Name:   Patriot
Message:
Maybe it is just me, but it seems like the democrats and the liberals all want to see the coffins coming home from Iraq. So as a compromise we should agree if the liberals agree to also show coffins for each aborted baby from that week.


Name:   MOSCOW TIMES
Message:


 

Suicide Bomber

Bob Woodward offers a few tastes of the bitter 
truth behind the Regime's war crime in Iraq.

By Chris Floyd

Homo sapiens is the only species that dreams of its own total demise. 
Our brief history of conscious thought is replete with vivid scenarios of the end of life on earth. The brain-fevers we call religions have produced most of these -- giddy, voluptuous nightmares of universal extinction, usually by fire, at divine order.

It seems that some ineradicable nihilism pervades us, like a virus, now dormant, now flaring: something in us that wants to die, to be done with the long, overhanging doom of mortality -- and to take the world with us. Our grand visions of the future seem to hide, at their core, a secret, desperate anxiety about the profound meaninglessness of existence -- an anxiety that often disguises itself in elaborate fantasies of the afterlife, in exaltations of one's "kind" (tribe, nation, faith, etc.), or in the eroticizing of death, war and destruction.

Instincts for preservation, sentiments of affection, the drive for pleasure -- from the most basic bodily urges to the most sublime creations and apprehensions of the intellect -- act as counterweights to this dark virus, of course. They provide for most of us, most of the time, enough fragments of meaning -- or at least sufficient distraction -- to get on with things, without too much resort to the extremes of nihilistic anxiety.

On the individual level, the calibration of these competing impulses can be intricate, subtle, ever-shifting, because the individual mind is so complex and all-encompassing, yet so enclosed, so unlockably private. But on the broader level -- species, nation, group -- human consciousness is, unavoidably, a far more blunt and brutal instrument.

There, our brain-fevers and anxieties rage more virulently, lacking the counterweights of individual feeling and the quick, intimate responsiveness of the private mind. In the group-mind, the fantasies that root in the muddy fear of meaninglessness can emerge full-blown. Thought and discourse are reduced to broad strokes, slogans, codes and incantations, with little correspondence to reality. Awareness of this tendency can mitigate some of its effects; but the group-mind's fundamental falsity often infects the actions of group leaders -- and many group members as well.

Thus we can sometimes say, not entirely metaphorically, that nations "go mad," hurtling themselves toward ruin, sick with nihilism -- although this sickness is always painted in the colors of patriotism or religious zeal, or both. Thus we can say -- again, with some accuracy -- that humankind has suicidal tendencies, manifested most clearly in the development of world-killing, species-ending nuclear weapons.

Now draw these dangerous streams together, and you have a portrait of the blunt and brutal group-mind at work in the leadership of the world's most powerful nation. The folly, fantasy and death-fetish of the Bush Regime -- long evident to anyone who cared to see -- were finally "revealed" in the mainstream media last week by the quasi-official Establishment writer, Bob Woodward. His latest insider portrait, Plan of Attack, offers -- in the usual, easily-gummed pablum form -- a few tastes of the bitter truth behind the Regime's mad, ruinous war crime in Iraq.

The corrosive nihilism at the heart of the enterprise ate through the gaudily-painted surface most tellingly in a single anecdote. Woodward asks George W. Bush how he thinks history will regard his adventure in Iraq. Bush, gazing out the window, shrugs and waves the question away. "History, we don't know," he says. "We'll all be dead." No fine, faith-filled talk here about God and Jesus and the immortal soul responsible for its actions throughout all eternity -- the kind of zealous patter Bush favors in public statements. This was just the cold, rotten, meaningless core of his grand vision -- "we'll all be dead." So who cares? AprÏs moi, le deluge.

Indeed, even as the world's attention remained fixed on the erotics of death in Iraq, Israel and Palestine, Bush's minions were quietly advancing his philosophy -- "we'll all be dead" -- with their geo-suicidal plans for more nuclear weapons. Last week, the Pentagon's influential Defense Science Board officially recommended the immediate development of a new generation of "tactical" nuclear weapons -- along with a new, Nietzschean will to use them, UPI reports.

Yes, this is the same group that developed a plan in 2002 for "provoking terrorist groups into action." The DSB wanted the Pentagon to foment terrorist attacks in order to flush the terrorists out of hiding so they could then be "crushed." The Pentagon never publicly rejected this morally insane scheme, first uncovered by the Los Angeles Times; perhaps we've already seen it in action, in Madrid, Riyadh or Bali.

In any case, the DSB's nuclear dreams are fast becoming a reality. This year, Bush quadrupled funding for key nuclear weapons development programs; at $6.6 billion, total U.S. nuclear weapons spending is now 50 percent higher than the Cold War average, California's Tri-Valley Herald reports. And Bush officials told Congress last month that the Regime is officially gutting the 2002 "Moscow Treaty" on arms control, The Associated Press reports. Instead of reducing stockpiles to treaty levels, the Regime is exercising the agreement's "get-out" option (which made the pact meaningless in the first place), in order to retain "sufficient warheads" for a "robust" posture in the face of unspecified "world events," officials testified.

What "world events" are they secretly dreaming of, these death-fetishists, these unconscious nihilists, mired in their group-mind fog? What voluptuous nightmares will require their "robust" attention? How many world-devouring warheads will be "sufficient" to at last quell their anxiety, their all-too-human craving for oblivion?  source...


Name:   Just a Question
Message:
What in hell is the NEA doing sponsoring abortion rallies?


Name:   ET
To:   Patriot

In response to:
So as a compromise we should agree if the liberals agree to also show coffins for each aborted baby from that week.

Message:
Yes, let's do that, but only on one condition: That the names of the parents and their political affiliation be made known at the same time.

What will you say when you see that a lot of the parents are Republicans?


Name:   Individual
In response to:
So as a compromise we should agree if the liberals agree to also show coffins for each aborted baby from that week.

Message:
There wouldn't be any.


Name:   Answer from the Wind Cries Mary:
To:   forum abortion and feminist right advocates

Re:   The March over the weekenk, Quotes and comments.
Message:
Posted on Sun, Apr. 25, 2004 Quotes From the Women's March in D.C. Assolciated Press Quotes from the women's rally in Washington on Sunday: "The march is about the totality of women's lives and the right to make decisions about our lives." - Kate Michelman, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. Answer from the Wind Cries Mary: In a Totalitarian Society, women can kill their babies before, during, and after their birth. --- "We cannot let them take over our bodies, our health care, our lives."_ Protester Carole Mehlman, 68, of Tampa, Fla. ******** Answer from the Wind Cries Mary: In China you get one child, in Cuba health care is free, clean smocks and hands are scarce but health care, dungeons with spiked walls are free, your lives in Optimim Control Societies like Viet Nam, Cuba, Red China, and Russia are mostly mapped out by those who know what's best for you. --- "This administration is filled with people who disparage sexual harassment laws, who claim the pay gap between women and men is phony, ... who consider Roe v. Wade the worst abomination of constitutional law in our history." - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. ******* Answer from the Wind Cries Mary: "Come, come to the freedom of Cuba, Viet Nam, the Peoples' Republic of China, the Federation of Russia. We will look after your every need. We will grant you the same pay as men, all extra babies will be dealt with for free, our constitutional laws are fair and just to everyone. Trial for dessenters are swift and justice is sure. The masses cheer in sports stadiums when we deal with the inequeties of males against females! --- "We will not make abortion illegal during (Bush's) presidency. But we will have stepping stones during his presidency." - Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue and director of a counterprotest.

*******

Answer from the Wind Cries Mary: "Let's protect women from the shackles of matrimony and child birth. One wanted child is more than enough. If something happens the State can provide you another fetus replacement for the one killed by accident or disease. And we will do it for FREE! --- "There is a religious and moral superiority and arrogance that so many, not all, Republicans have. It is the ultimate intrusion by government to tell a woman when she can have children, if she has them at all." - Actress Lynda Carter.

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Answer from the Wind Cries Mary: You are truly a "Wonder Woman". Evil Republicans would take away your right to do away with an extra unwanted child beyond the one you may want. In your worldly and esteemable wisdom, you know that one child is more than enough in this over-populated America. We must leave room for immigrants who neither need nor desire birth control. From these will be the geniuses who will be America's future leaders! --- "We are going to take the energy and the passion of this march and we are going to take it home." - National Organization For Women resident Kim Gandy. ********* Answer from the Wind Cries Mary: You have the energy and the passion to march now and you are going to take it home. If you have one child, you know in your heart that two would be too many. --- "I just don't believe that we have the right to decide who should be killed." - Counterprotester Pam Hueffmeier, 51, of Bolder City, Nev. ********* Answer from the Wind Cries Mary: "We" the people have no right to decide who should be killed. That should be a State-selected three judge team in a sports stadium! As for abortion, one child is enough, especially if it is a white, European blood child. Blacks and Hispanics should avoid all family planning and the government should feed , educate and clothe all their children. --- "That's the question. The answer's blowing in the wind." - Feminist Gloria Steinem, on whether the rally will encourage people to vote for pro-choice candidates this November. ******** Answer from the Wind Cries Mary:"You got that right,sister!" --- "Bush, you better beware. When women vote, Democrats win." - UHF Television actress Camerya Mankiller. ******* Answer from the Wind Cries Mary:"Bush you better encourage more immigration. Increase free health care, food stamps, free bilingual education, free no identification Driver's Licenses, and free transportation and instructions on how to vote Democrat. Then Mr. Bush, you will be free to manage your baseball team, import some baseball players, and get more Hispanics out to the Texas Rangers games! Sen. Kerry can then turn the Immigration and Welcoming Service and the Border Patrol into an Immigrant Assistance Program benefiting all Americans with less expensive lawn care and a neater cleaner street environment. "Most people that support abortion have no idea the development of the unborn child, ... and it's certainly not anything they're told by Planned Parenthood or their school." - Counterprotester Mike Muench, of Manassas, Va. ****** Answer from the Wind Cries Mary: Unborn babies are just mindless immobile protoplasm without feeling, devoid of nerve endings. If video shows a fetus grasping a doctor's gloved finger, it's just a doll placed inside a woman undergoing abdominal surgery! --- --- "We knew it would be big. But when you're here, and you're feeling the energy, it's so different." - Protester Mecca Monson-Gere, 25, of Honolulu, Hawaii. ******* Answer from the Wind Cries Mary: You feel even more energy inside that Pentigram amidst the lit candles, calling ,"Allah, Allah!" --- "It's really mixed - all ages, every size, shape and color. ... I'm awed. I'm hopeful." - Protester Miriam Thompson, 67, of New York City, remarking on the crowd. ******* Answer from the Wind Cries Mary:

Be of good cheer, Roe v Wade is a brilliant piece of work and you have saved it from being changed or discarded. You are not too old to mix in with all ages,every size, shape, and color. You are a free man in a free society. If you and someone make a mistake, just abort it. Bush has seen to it that many, many replacements are on the way from Mexico, Central and South America. Kerry and Hillary Clinton will win for you and all abortion advocates. That's what will really cure what is wrong with America. Too many white people means society is not free for other races and creeds.


Name:   Individual
In response to:
A PLEA FROM A MARINE IN IRAQ

Message:
The religious flakes who are leading the insurgency don't give a rats @ss what anybody thinks. Don't you know about the Inquisition?

Mubarek is the one who says the Arabs hate us much more after Iraq. Don't you get newspapers in Iraq?

Are you aware of the probability that an Iranian-style government will take over, if not now, eventually?

Are you aware that if you weren't fighting in Iraq, you might be fighting in Afghanistan to help your s bring democracy to that country and to root out the last vestiges of the Taliban and al Queida? You might even have been involved in saving your 's lives in Afghanistan.


Name:   Smedley
To:   SET

In response to:
What will you say when you see that a lot of the parents are Republicans?

Message:
I would say that not all Republicans are pro-life, not all Republicans are true to their convictions and that, in some cases, Republican women have life-endangering pregnancies or severely deformed children in utero.

My problem with abortion is that its used as a form of birth-control. I'd gladly cede EVERY nasty exception, e.g., rape, life of mother and underaged mother, if the left would cede that children in utero are still children.

I always felt abortion was a moral wrong in most cases. The day I saw an sound of my daughter was the day that no one on Earth could convince me that a four-month old fetus was not human. She sucked her thumb, moved her fingers, hands and legs and responded to sounds.

Ever wonder why so many of the pro-abortion zealots are so against women looking at sounds of their babies? As I see it, the great majority of such women would know the truth of the nature of their pregnancy, i.e., that Children are human. They are not "things" and they certainly are not "parasites". I only wish the left would find the compassion within themselves to see that.


Name:   Individual
Message:
What's wrong with ?


Name:   Individual
In response to:
C*o*mra*d-e

Message:
What's wrong with "c-om-r*a+de?


Name:   The American People
In response to:
BEIRUT (AFP) -- Former US first lady Hillary Clinton said the "stubborn" policies of President George W. Bush's administration were endangering stability in the Middle East, a daily reported Monday.

Message:
Time for Hillary to go back to Washington and do the job she was elected to do and that is not grandstanding where ever the cameras may be

Hillary, if we wanted your person opinion, we would have asked you. Clearly you lack the experience needed to understand these issues.


Name:   The American People
To:   ET

Re:   Bring out your dead
In response to:
Yes, let's do that, but only on one condition: That the names of the parents and their political affiliation be made known at the same time. What will you say when you see that a lot of the parents are Republicans?

Message:
And we must do the same for the coffins from Iraq. Name the parents and their political affiliation and the political affiliation of the heros.

What will you say when you see that most are likely Republicans.


Name:   The American People
To:   SPINdividual

In response to:
There wouldn't be any.

Message:
Spindividual shows just how out of touch he is


Name:   voter
To:   forum

Re:   why it's bush for 4 more years
Message:
1. a supreme court devoid of liberal activists. 2. second amendment rights strengthened. 3.. no return of q@eers and a$$holes to upper level cabinet positions.


Name:   !!
Message:


Name:   ET
To:   The American People

In response to:
What will you say when you see that most are likely Republicans.

Message:
No, I would guess that most are not Republicans.


Name:   !!
Message:


Name:   Forum Fan
In response to:
No, I would guess that most are not Republicans.

Message:
How Left Wing Extremist reactionary of you...

You actually are trying to say most military personal and their parents are Democrats.

Yeah

Right


Name:   !!
Message:


Name:   Patriot
To:   ET

In response to:
Yes, let's do that, but only on one condition: That the names of the parents and their political affiliation be made known at the same time. What will you say when you see that a lot of the parents are Republicans?

Message:
I would be fine with that. Your question seems to infer that I would consider this a political question and that by asking it I hope to do damage to the Democratic party.

Truth is I find neither question a political question. People who wish to have coffins displayed each week in my opinion are people who are interested in humanizing the military deaths in order to affect the country's morale and cause the American people to lose thier resolve for the war. I also believe that the killing of babies to me is a murder of a living human being but that the American people remain silent because it is not discussed on a daily basis. Abortion is not a scientific procedure it is the murder of babies. When is killing justified? Only when the killing would save the life of the mother.

It just so happens that generally speaking the liberals of this country support abortions and the conservatives support the war. Not to imply there are not some democrats who support this war or some republicans who support abortion.

But irregardless of political affiliation I remain agreeable to posting the names and affiliations of the parents of aborted babies. As well as opposed to showing coffins of our heroes for political gain.


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Name:   Crybaby
To:   !!

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I am bored with filling up this forum with article after article listing Kerry's flip flops. All Kerry's flip-flops will be deleted...

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Hey! No more picking on Waffles!
waffles


Name:   Curious
In response to:
What in hell is the NEA doing sponsoring abortion rallies?

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I would say that the liberals around here should answer that one. Afterall the NEA is in the back pocket of the democrats.


Name:   Patriot
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No, I would guess that most are not Republicans.

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Stupid argument, they are american boys and girls. Our children, support them, doesn't seem difficult. I can't believe Joe Liebermann and John McCain are the only ones that get it


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
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Clinton: Prepare for fight
Senator says politics could threaten Rome's military facilities
Tue, Apr 6, 2004

By SHAWN ANDERSON
Observer-Dispatch
By MARILU LOPEZ FRETTS, Observer-Dispatch

U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks at a news conference Monday in an Empire Aero Center hangar at Griffiss Business & Technology Park in Rome. Clinton, who sits on the Senate Committee on Armed Services, discussed her tour around military facilities and efforts to save them from being closed. "We still have to worry about the politics," Clinton said.

ROME -- If the decision was made on merits, Rome would have little reason to fear losing its military facilities at Griffiss Business and Technology Park, U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday.

But, she added, "We still have to worry about the politics."

As officials continue to prepare for the 2005 Base Realignment and Closure process, Clinton toured Griffiss Monday, seeking to learn more about the military operations and private businesses at the former Air Force base.

The 1993 BRAC round closed the base, a blow that contributed to Rome's population plummeting by almost 10,000 people between 1990 and 2000. In 1995, the Air Force Research Laboratory barely survived the BRAC process.

The lab and two other military facilities -- the Defense Finance and Accounting Service and Northeast Air Defense Sector -- could be tapped for closure next year, said Rob Duchow, spokesman for Mohawk Valley Economic Development Growth Enterprises. The facilities employ about 2,200 to 2,400 people, Duchow said.

The Department of Defense conducts the BRAC process to shed unneeded infrastructure and cut costs. The Secretary of Defense will recommend the next realignments and closures May 16, 2005.

But more than a year before any announcement, officials already are developing strategies to prevent Rome from being targeted again.

Clinton, who sits on the Senate Committee on Armed Services, talked the role the military operations play in Rome.

"We have to be as vigilant and well prepared as we possibly can," said Clinton, D-N.Y.

Technologies developed in Rome, she said, have been used on the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan. Since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the importance of the Northeast Air Defense Sector has been magnified, she said.

Private-sector businesses at Griffiss, such as Empire Aero Center, where Clinton spoke, could help prevent the military facilities from closing, she said.

"This is not just a civilian enterprise," she said, noting that Empire Aero Center eventually could refurbish U.S. military planes.

The influence of the military facilities extends beyond homeland security. Former lab employees have started spin-off companies across the county and the lab has provided contracts to local firms, Duchow said.

State Assemblywoman RoAnn Destito, D-Rome, toured the Griffiss facilities with Clinton. While Clinton was impressed by the visit, she offered some advice about saving the military operations, Destito said.

"She really feels that the message needs to be a little stronger," Destito said. "We need to market more."

Michael Baldwin, president and chief executive officer at Dart Communications at Griffiss, said losing the military facilities wouldn't directly affect his business, which manufactures software components.

But it would lead to a brain drain, he predicted, with highly educated employees leaving the area.

"The important thing to us is the labor pool," he said.

The exodus of those employees also would be felt in less visible ways, Baldwin said.

"It would affect the whole flavor of the area," he said. "They're interested in the arts, they're interested in a lot of things that matter."


Name:   XYZ
To:   InDUHvidual

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A PLEA FROM A MARINE IN IRAQ

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You should thank that Marine for fighting to preserve your continued freedom to make ignorant, idiot, and assanine comments.


Name:   Why John Kerry will never be president
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Is Kerry Blowing It?

THE NEW YORK OBSERVER
by Joe Hagan

In recent weeks, even Senator John Kerry’s closest friends have been at a loss as to why the Democratic Presidential candidate has failed to communicate the most humanizing part of his biography: his war record as a decorated Vietnam veteran. "I know he’s quite capable of it," said Bob Kerrey, the president of New School University, former Nebraska Senator and fellow Vietnam veteran. "I don’t know why it’s not working now."

But there seems to be a very clear reason why: Mr. Kerry is terrible on TV.

"Abysmal," said John Weaver, the former strategist for Senator John McCain’s Presidential run and the man who coined the "Straight Talk Express."

Watching Mr. Kerry on TV, he said, "I don’t know if it’s a stream of consciousness or stream of unconsciousness."

"It’s a lot of words and no clarity, a lot of presence and no warmth," said Chris Matthews, the host of MSNBC’s Hardball, who was preparing to interview Mr. Kerry for an hour on April 27. "And I think he’s got to deal with that."

Take a look, for example, at NBC’s Meet the Press on April 18. Tim Russert aired a tape of Senator John Kerry’s appearance on the show 33 years earlier, when he was a young, jut-chinned veteran, 27 years old, full of baleful gravity, expressing a sense of shame for his actions in Vietnam. The camera cut back to Senator Kerry, now a man running for President of United States.

"You committed atrocities," said Mr. Russert gravely, asking Mr. Kerry to address the statements of the young man on the screen.

Suddenly, the current John Kerry, of 2004, gave a stumbling, inexplicable guffaw.

"Where did all that dark hair go, Tim? That’s a big question for me."

And suddenly, inexplicably, the question showed up: Where did all that gravitas go, John? That’s the big question for the viewer. The appealing young veteran disappeared, the angry, vengeful Democratic candidate disappeared, and John Kerry, the callow Swiss-prep-school boy returned, as vividly as George Bush the smirking frat boy makes his appearances on national television. "Awful," said MSNBC’s Chris Matthews. "Just awful."

In recent appearances, Mr. Kerry’s digressions and obfuscations about whether he threw a war medal or a ribbon on the White House lawn in 1971—or whether the young Mr. Kerry should have used the word "war crimes" to describe actions in Vietnam—have obscured the candidate. At every turn, he has managed to turn the TV screen into smoked glass: He’s right in front of you, but you can’t … quite … make … him … out. With his morose patrician mien and robotic delivery—parodied with precision by Jon Stewart on the Monday, April 24, Daily Show, surely not a good thing for the candidate—Mr. Kerry’s TV performances are sounding a gut-level alarm about his ability to inspire confidence in the electorate. "He needs to speak the truth and speak from the heart and not try to calibrate his views or his actions," said Mr. Weaver. "The public catches on to these things, and they can see through whether there’s a calibration going on or not. He needs to stop that."

He didn’t need to speak the name of former Vice President Al Gore. But a media strategist for another Democratic Presidential candidate said that Mr. Kerry had to lose the "legislative speak" and begin talking "like a normal person communicates, speaking in simple, more declarative sentences that have a clearer meaning for people." Compared to President George W. Bush, he added, Mr. Kerry appeared more intelligent, "but there are many instances in which George Bush communicates more clearly."

The Republican attack ads about Mr. Kerry that have run in 18 battleground states have set the tone for Mr. Kerry’s appearances. Since April 15, they’ve speared Mr. Kerry for having said in the fall of 2003, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion—before I voted against it." The context, of course, was important: Mr. Kerry was criticizing Vermont Governor Howard Dean at the time, arguing over how to balance the budget in the context of the war in Iraq. But instead of squelching that image with a decisive blow, Mr. Kerry has continually cemented it with distended, lumbering TV appearances.

But it also showed the power of simplicity: a single one-liner could define an entire interview. Mr. Kerrey said the candidate needed to reconnect with his own history.

"I think he’s got to go back to remember what it felt like and help people understand what it was like in 1971," said Mr. Kerrey. "It was a terrible time, and he was a kid. And he just said some indefensible things. How unusual does that make him for a 25-year-old? Not very. Especially during that time. He served honorably, with great distinction."

But even when Mr. Kerry attempts to let his passion fly, he becomes hectoring and aggressive. On Monday, April 26, Good Morning America host Charlie Gibson asked Mr. Kerry to explain his inconsistent stories about whether he once tossed war medals or ribbons onto the White House lawn in 1971. Maybe it was a quibbling issue, all things considered. But was this the best way to tackle it?

Senator Kerry: Charlie, Charlie, you’re wrong! That is not what happened. I threw my ribbons across. And all you have to do is go back and find the file footage.

Charlie Gibson: And someone else’s medals? And someone else’s medals, correct?

Senator Kerry: Later, after, excuse me—excuse me, Charlie!

It hadn’t helped that the first live shot of Mr. Kerry was of him shaking his head in disgust at Mr. Gibson’s setup to the interview. On TV, Mr. Kerry projects a subtle disdain for the medium while he is appearing on it. He doesn’t even plan on answering the questions, if he can help it. "There’s no such thing as a trick question with Kerry, because he just won’t answer it," observed Mr. Matthews. "‘Well, let me put it this way, Chris,’ or ‘Well, the real question here, Chris …. ’ See, that’s the problem with him. And I find afterward, we’ll be having conversations afterward, and it’s hard to get to him even then."

Not only has Mr. Kerry not relayed his ideas with clarity, he has failed to relay the visceral presence of an unaffected personality. On his Meet the Press outing, he told Mr. Russert: "Now, we’re in a position now to be able to respond and introduce myself to the country. I look forward to that. I look forward to Americans getting to know who I really am." But why was he looking forward? There he was, live on television, with every chance to be himself.

"I’m not sure what the message is—that may be the essence of the problem," said Joe McGinniss, the author of The Selling of the President, the best-seller that detailed Richard M. Nixon’s media strategy. As a Massachusetts resident, Mr. McGinniss said he had never seen Mr. Kerry do well on TV—or even in public, for that matter. "When he sits down one-to-one with somebody, he’s not good," said Mr. McGinniss. But then again, he added, neither was Mr. Bush, or Mr. Nixon. "They knew Nixon was never going to be good in a situation like that. The shows that Roger Ailes directed had the appearance of spontaneity, but it was all carefully scripted. You put Nixon in a thing where he looks like he’s taking a risk where he’s not. They’re going to have to dress up the set for John Kerry, but he can’t do it on his own. He’s not Jack Kennedy, although he wishes he were."

Mr. Matthews described Mr. Kerry as more like Kennedy’s speechwriter, Ted Sorenson. "He’s kind of, like, world-weary, and he has that voice of wariness, almost like a Scandinavian winter," he said. "It’s cold and it’s weary. That’s what he sounds like when he’s interviewed."

Despite Mr. Kerry’s problems, a number of observers said it was still very early in the race. And it’s also not clear that the crucial voters even watch shows like Meet the Press or Hardball with any regularity, or even interest. "Typically, for the swing-voter type, when you’re asking somebody about the choice of words 33 years ago, those people have a 100 percent record of either forgiveness or completely not giving a [expletive deleted]," said Lawrence O’Donnell, the MSNBC political analyst. "Have we learned nothing from George Wallace’s career?"

Mr. O’Donnell said these TV appearances were simply testing grounds.

"The reason we stare at John Kerry in April is that Tim is the best indicator there is on how rough it’s going to be on you in a Presidential debate in October," said Mr. O’Donnell, who like Mr. Russert once worked for Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. "‘Oh, look at that, there’s a vulnerability there.’ And, ‘Oh, by the way, he’s got several months to work on that.’"

Still, Mr. Kerry has a lot more history to contend with—TV history. "You create a tremendous number of obstacles in the obstacle course of life by going on television for 27, 30 years," said Mr. Matthews. "Because the age of television has created this incredible archive system. No matter what you’ve ever said, it can come popping out at you. But the only way you can replace old stuff is with new stuff, so you have to constantly make your new stuff more compelling. That’s how you do it. So television has a permanence, but you almost have to do battle with your old tape."

Meanwhile, everyone is waiting for Mr. Kerry to transform.

"The Democratic friends I have keep saying, ‘Wait, wait, he’ll get better,’" said Don Hewitt, the executive producer of 60 Minutes. "Well, I’m waiting, and I don’t know if he will or not. He may yet surprise me and make it apparent why he’s the guy I’d like to see as President of the United States. I haven’t seen it yet.

"Maybe he needs some good professional advice," he added, "if he’s in a mood to take it."

You may reach Joe Hagan via email at: jhagan@observer.com.


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
To:   Hillary Fan

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Forget Hillary for President 2008. We want Hillary NOW!!! We're going to draft you for president at the convention, Hillary. Drafted means drafted. No getting out of it this time Hillary. Just like the military. You've got to serve. No cushie-cushie having a good time in New York. You're going to take on the tough job of president. You've got to take over from Bush. This is as far as he can go and only you can pull in the international peacekeeping forces, and the Muslim countries too, in order to bring stability to Iraq.

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She is not going to run in 2004 or accept a draft. 2008 will be her year especially with the way things are looking for Kerry right now.


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
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Clinton looks to boost funding for third-world students

BRENDAN McGARRY , The Saratogian 04/21/2004

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., unveiled legislation Tuesday to increase funding for education in developing countries from $300 million to $2.5 billion by 2009.

The bill, proposed in an address to the New York City-based Council on Foreign Relations, is designed to help provide basic education for all children throughout the world, according to a news release from the senator's office.

'It's about being smart,' Clinton said. 'Because in today's world, we are all more secure when children and adults around the world are taught math and science -- instead of hate.'

More than 100 million children ages 6-11 in developing countries are out of school, according to the release.

Clinton's 'Education for All' proposal authorizes $500 million in 2005, up from $300 million now, to $2.5 billion by 2009. The funding would be directed to countries with national plans to get all children in school.

A representative from Clinton's office said the funding would come from both the public and non-governmental organizations.

The United States and more than 180 governments committed to the goal of universal education in April 2000 at the World Education Forum in Dakar, Senegal, according to the release.

The United Nations' Millennium Development Goals call for universal primary education by 2015.

Total education aid to developing countries totals $1.5 billion per year, according to a World Economic Forum report also released Tuesday. An additional $5.6 billion is needed annually to meet the U.N. goal.

The bill also amends the U.S. Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 to establish education in developing countries as a priority of U.S. foreign assistance efforts. It has not yet been formally introduced to the Senate.


Name:   Talkmaster
Re:   John Kerry on the way out?
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The election is still a little over six months away, and already Democrats are starting to have buyer's remorse over their rushed nomination of The Poodle. You could see this coming a mile away, since "anybody but Bush" is not a victory strategy for this November. People have to be able to vote for something, and the more they see of John Kerry, it's not looking good. In their haste to nominate someone as soon as possible, they failed to properly vet their candidate and let the process play out.

If you spend any amount of time sniffing around the Internet .. especially sites created by and frequented by Democrats .. you will see the expressions of doubt. A Mickey Kaus article on Slate cites one Democrat blogger asking "At what point do Democrats begin to consider that they haven't nominated this guy yet?" Some Democrats are saying "Uh oh .. .we nominated a turkey." James Ridgeway, a liberal columnist for The Village Voice writes "With the air gushing out of John Kerry's balloon, it may be only a matter of time until political insiders in Washington face the dread reality that the junior senator from Massachusetts doesn't have what it takes to win and has got to go." "Dem leaders" he says," are going to be very sorry they screwed Howard Dean."

Don't forget ... Dennis Kucinich is still a candidate! He hasn't yet thrown in the towel.

If the "Kerry must go" movement picks up any steam the next few months could get more and more interesting. It may be time to head for the pound and see if there's another, cuter stray.


Name:   Democrats in Free Fall
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Pat Tillman: Dumb jock, baby killer?

Townhall.com
April 28, 2004
Ben Shapiro

What would you call Pat Tillman, the former Arizona Cardinal football player killed in Afghanistan? A hero? An inspiring example of American military men and women? A model of principled strength?

How about a "dumb jock"? A "baby killer"? A "dumb-a--"? A victim of "brainwashing"?

If you were a regular reader of Indymedia.org, odds are that you'd put him in the latter group. You'd think that Pat Tillman was a boob, a complete dimwit at best -- you might even believe that Pat Tillman was an evil person and deserved what he got.

Indymedia.org has 50 local chapters in the United States. Forty-four of them made no mention of Pat Tillman's death. The other six celebrated it.

The Portland, Ore., chapter of Indymedia.org posted the news of Tillman's death accompanied by this headline: "Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan." Some who posted comments suggested alternate titles for the piece, like "Privileged Millionaire, Blinded by Nationalist Mythology, Pisses Away the Good Life," "Cottled Sports Star Allows Nationalism to Jingoistic Irresponsibility Resulting in His Death," and "Capitalist Chooses to Kill Innocents Instead of Cashing Check."

Others made comments on the site comparing Tillman to a Nazi and accusing him of responsibility for "the deaths of hundreds, maybe thousands of Afghan civilians." "Karma sure is a b----, isn't it, Tillman?" one sneered.

The Urbana-Champaign, Ill., chapter of Indymedia.org posted two articles about Tillman. One carried the headline "Pat Tillman is gone good riddance." The other labeled all soldiers "dumb-a--(es)."

The North Carolina Indymedia chapter also posted a piece labeling soldiers like Tillman "dumb-a--(es)" and added that Tillman was killed during a "baby-killing raid." San Francisco Indymedia posted the same piece. St. Louis Indymedia stated that Tillman was "brainwashed by the 'patriotism.'"

One commenter on the Washington, D.C., Indymedia site wrote this: "I saw the Post this morning, on the front page. It was sickening. They built this guy up like he was Audie Murphy or something, publishing this foto of him in his Ranger getup, all tough-looking and stony-jawed, like a goddamn' recruiting ad ... Puke-o-rama. Cold as it may sound, 'Dumb Jock Dies for Pipeline in Afghanistan' pretty much sums it up."

What is Indymedia? According to its Web site, "Indymedia is a collective of independent media organizations and hundreds of journalists offering grass-roots, non-corporate coverage. Indymedia is a democratic media outlet for the creation of radical, accurate and passionate tellings of truth." Indymedia is made up of leaders in the anti-globalization and anti-war movement, coordinating massive protests. They revel in wild conspiracy theories. They're rabidly anti-capitalist and generally anti-American. In short, they're a bunch of left-wing nuts.

Yet the American left has neglected to excise the Indymedia cancer from its support base. In 2002, the left-leaning Ford Foundation gave Indymedia $50,000. The Tides Foundation has donated $376,000 to Indymedia, according to Frontpagemag.com. Two of the biggest donors to the Tides Foundation? George Soros, who has given over $15 million to Democratic causes during this election cycle, and Teresa Heinz Kerry. Ralph Nader is one of Indymedia's biggest supporters; his group, Public Citizen, is listed as on Indymedia.org as an "ally."

Indymedia is no small-potatoes venture. Aside from its Web sites based in 50 major American markets, it also has Web sites located in five chapters in Africa, 13 in Canada, 39 in Europe, 15 in Latin America, eight in Asia, and nine in Oceania.

The Indymedia list of allies is impressive as well. It lists groups like Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, Adbusters, ZNet, the Institute for Public Accuracy, and Corporate Watch.

Largely due to an unceasing hatred for President Bush, the American political left continues to support Indymedia and its ilk. During the MoveOn.org Hitler-Bush ad scandal, liberal pundits largely refused to condemn the ads. Democratic Underground, a site linked on John Kerry's official blog, constantly pushes an extreme leftism often encroaching into paranoid territory.

This latest outrage underscores the leftist community's tolerance for an ugly, radical element. The Pat Tillman insults have been floating around the Web for days; the liberal silence is deafening. Tillman died to protect freedom of speech -- that doesn't mean anyone should use it to spit on his grave.


Name:   Hillary
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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., unveiled legislation Tuesday to increase funding for education in developing countries from $300 million to $2.5 billion by 2009.

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I want to do for the worlds education what I did for Arkansas education. Just give me money the money!


Name:   XYZ
Re:   Hillary
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She is not going to run in 2004 or accept a draft. 2008 will be her year especially with the way things are looking for Kerry right now.

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And I would love to see her going up against a ticket of Colin Powell/Condoleeza Rice.

That would absolutely drive Democrats nuts.


Name:   Just Say No to Hillaroo
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"Bush Policies Endangering Mideast Stability"
This woman's hubris and ignorance truly knows no bounds.
Isn't the term "Mideast Stability" and oxymoron?

Oh yes, wise Hillaroo, this was SUCH a stable and peaceful region until George Bush came along. After all, Jimmy Carter fixed it so nice. Your husband Billy blew up an aspirin factory there once, so you should know!

Whatever happened to tarring and feathering people like Hillaroo??
What an loudmouthed, grandstanding .


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
To:   XYZ

In response to:
And I would love to see her going up against a ticket of Colin Powell/Condoleeza Rice. That would absolutely drive Democrats nuts.

Message:
Puleeze! I know Powell and Rice are both pretty well liked, but Hillary would hold her own just fine.


Name:   Democrats in Free Falle
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Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric

Insight
04/28/2000
Michael Waller

Exploiting the liberties of free societies, terrorists are using the mass media to sow divisions among and within the democracies, terrorism experts report. The March bombing of the Madrid subway proved that low-budget terrorist attacks could be used to influence democratic elections and, by virtue of Spain's sudden military withdrawal from Iraq, to drive wedges between the staunchest allies in the international antiterrorism coalition. Senior Spanish and U.S. officials now believe al-Qaeda will plan more attacks in the United States to try to force President George W. Bush from office.

Playing directly into the terrorists' hands is Bush's increasingly shrill challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.). Democracies long have been vulnerable to manipulation by hostile foreign powers. President George Washington foresaw this in his Farewell Address of 1796. Though the popular notion is that the main point of the address was to warn against entangling alliances, the most persistent theme of Washington's speech was to warn against foreign subversion of America's democratic process. In his words, "It is easy to foresee that from different causes and from different quarters much pains will be taken, many artifices employed," to undermine the national identity and sense of purpose. Specifically, Washington feared that foreign adversaries would use the new democratic system to turn Americans against themselves.

Even now, external enemies are attacking the political fortress of the United States and its democratic allies through propaganda by word and deed. In his taped statement aired on the Wahhabi satellite TV network Al-Jazeera on April 15, Osama bin Laden not only sought to divide Europe from the United States by offering a "truce" with European countries that pull out of the coalition in Iraq, the al-Qaeda leader also explicitly feasted on the feeding frenzy among bickering American politicians about whether President Bush was to blame for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Good propagandists will turn their enemies' words against them, and the best will sow suspicion and division among them. This is happening now in the United States, where the terrorist enemy and its allies are using the rhetoric of the current presidential campaign in their jihad against the nation. Previous cautions against rash campaign words that provide aid and comfort to the enemy were thrown out the window long ago. Kerry steadily has become more and more shrill in his denunciations of the president as a leader, a man and a politician. Straying from legitimate policy differences with Bush or a healthy national debate about how best to fight the terrorist enemy, the Democratic nominee in waiting has yanked off the safety and fired full auto at the president.

Al-Jazeera and other anti-U.S. propaganda outlets have been quick to magnify whatever Kerry says in an attempt to show what a failure the United States has become under the Bush presidency. Kerry's increasingly strident and careless statements on the campaign trail reverberate abroad. His foul-mouthed interview with Rolling Stone became part of an Al-Jazeera feature on March 16. Although Kerry voted to let the Iraq war go forward, the Wahhabi-owned TV network noted, "He has suggested Bush's handling of the campaign is 'f-ed up.'"

"Bush misled Americans on the degree Iraq posed a threat," Kerry said in the Al-Jazeera broadcast, and the president is not "working closely enough with the international community." Bush's exclusion of France and Germany from competition for U.S. taxpayer-funded contracts to rebuild Iraq, Kerry said, was "dumb and insulting." Al-Jazeera rebroadcast, in Arabic, Kerry's allegation that in combating terrorist structures inside the United States, Bush and the Department of Justice have smeared "innocent Muslims and Arabs who pose no danger."

Such words, one of Kerry's former Senate colleagues says, grind down the image of the United States abroad and damage Washington's efforts to maintain allies and supporters in the Arabic-speaking world. With near-daily doses of extreme and careless quotations from the anti-Bush camp, Arab audiences are led to believe the worst about U.S. intentions and policies in the war on terrorism. Rather than helping the war effort with positive alternatives to counterterrorist policies they consider flawed, Kerry and other politicians are fanning the flames of hostility in the Islamic world.

The government-controlled press in Syria generally ignored President Bush's State of the Union address in January, "but on its front pages highlighted criticism that came in its wake, particularly Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's calling Bush's [foreign] policy 'arrogant and inept,'" according to the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), which monitors Middle Eastern news and propaganda organizations and publishes translations and analyses in English. Even in Jordan, an Arab kingdom that has been an ally in the war against the terrorists, the editor of the Al-Arab Al-Yaum newspaper commented, "When President Bush gave his address, to hearty applause by his party in Congress, the Democrats shook their heads in condemnation."

The Kerry campaign, meanwhile, is reported to have e-mailed messages to foreign media outlets, pledging to "repair the damage" that President Bush allegedly has inflicted on the world. The Tehran Times, an English-language newspaper in the Iranian capital, reported Feb. 8 that unnamed Kerry staffers sent an e-mail to the Tehran-based Mehr News Agency apologizing for the conduct of the United States in the war on terrorism and saying that Kerry is the man to make things new again. "Disappointment with current U.S. leadership is widespread, extending not just to the corridors of power and politics but to the man and woman on the street as well," the message said. "We also remain convinced that John Kerry has the best chance of beating the incumbent in November and putting America on a new course that will lead to a safer, more secure and more stable world."

The Kerry campaign has claimed that all of this was the work of overseas Democrats and cannot be laid at the door of its candidate.

But recent statements from Sheik Moqtada al-Sadr, the extremist Iran-backed Shiite cleric whose guerrilla army has been killing U.S. soldiers and Marines, appear to echo this and some of Bush's other Democratic critics. Within 48 hours of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's (D-Mass.) first major characterization of Iraq as "another Vietnam," al-Sadr picked up the theme.

Soon after Kerry denounced Halliburton, the oil company formerly headed by Vice President Cheney, bin Laden singled out the firm. "I stopped briefly at a gas station," Kerry said on March 30. "If prices stay that high, Cheney and President Bush are going to have to carpool to work. Those aren't Exxon prices, they are Halliburton prices." In his recording released two weeks later, according to a MEMRI translation, bin Laden denounced major corporations but named only Halliburton: "This war makes millions of dollars for big corporations, either weapons manufacturers or those working in the reconstruction [of Iraq], such as Halliburton and its sister companies."

Former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) observed in a recent Washington Post commentary: "Instead of trying to chart a path of progress, many of the president's critics have devoted themselves to fomenting public despair over a war, which they keep repeating, should never have been fought. At the same time critics of the Bush administration insist it should have done more to combat al-Qaeda in Afghanistan before Sept 11." Thompson added, "They miss the more profound lesson that national tragedy should have instilled: that the only deterrent to terrorism is strength and that weakness - real and perceived - is an incitement to further attacks."

The steady, daily attacks on the war and the motivations behind it, Thompson warns, risk undermining the strong international position of the United States and turning it into one of weakness.

"Weakness is when America's leaders compare Iraq to Vietnam, announcing to the world a faltering resolve to see our mission through." This signal, Thompson argues, causes wartime allies to lose heart. "To our allies in the Middle East and beyond, these predictions of defeat send a clear and chilling message to hedge their bets, because the United States cannot be counted on. And to our enemies, they can send an equally clear message: You can win."

The Madrid Model

Al-Qaeda may be planning to influence the American presidential elections this November, replicating the "Madrid model" of staging bloody terrorist attacks to intimidate voters into ousting leaders who aggressively fight terrorism. Some observers believe that its March 11 subway bombings in Madrid, which created an electoral backlash against Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar three days later, validated a model by which the terrorists could influence democratic societies to get rid of their tough-on-terrorism leaders.

Among the United States' staunchest European allies, Aznar was one of the original European supporters of ousting Saddam Hussein. All pre-electoral polls showed his party winning re-election against Socialist Party candidate Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. But the subway bombings, which killed nearly 200 and injured more than 1,800, shook the confidence of the Spanish people and was the single largest factor in Zapatero's surprise victory.

"The terrorists won," according to Bob Brinker, a financial analyst and host of the syndicated radio program MoneyTalk. Watching how political events shape the markets, Brinker coined the term "Madrid model" in expectation of future attacks designed to manipulate the outcome of elections. In Brinker's view, under the Madrid model the terrorists attack a democratic society, change the government and gain a military victory in Iraq by helping democratic antiwar politicians come to power. Brinker calls Zapatero an "al-Qaeda-installed prime minister."

"Can you imagine the empowerment that al-Qaeda feels today?" Brinker said on his April 18 program. He predicted a repeat performance for the U.S. presidential election in November: "This is the last thing in the world you want to see happen."

Neither Kerry nor his ally Kennedy seems to have learned from his own Vietnam experiences, say critics, when both used extremist rhetoric to sow defeatism at home even though U.S. and South Vietnamese forces were destroying the communist enemy on the ground.

As in Vietnam, the Kerry camp seems not to care. The very day bin Laden's tape was broadcast, Kerry stood in East Rutherford, N.J., accusing the president of manipulating the war for personal political gain. "Everything he did in Iraq, he's going to try to persuade people it has to do with terror even though everybody here knows that it has nothing whatsoever to do with al-Qaeda and everything to do with an agenda that they had preset, determined," Kerry said.

Islamist forces are not alone in using Kerry's words against the United States. North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il, whose regime is on the State Department's list of state sponsors of terrorism, also favors a new American president. The regime's mouthpieces, including the Communist Party daily Rodong Sinmun, have been using Kerry's statements as propaganda to discredit the U.S. government.

"North Korea has been paying keen attention to the U.S. presidential election in recent weeks, reporting Democratic presidential primaries and various opinion polls through its state media," the English-language Korea Times, published in Seoul, reported in February. "Most of the reports are focusing on the criticism against Bush and Sen. John Kerry's surge as viable presidential candidate." Rebecca MacKinnon, former Beijing bureau chief for CNN and now a media fellow at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, says that North Korea's state-controlled media have been portraying Kerry "in a positive light."

As the Financial Times reported in February, "In the past few weeks, speeches by the Massachusetts senator have been broadcast on Radio Pyongyang and reported in glowing terms by the Korea Central News Agency [KCNA], the official mouthpiece of Mr. Kim's communist regime. ... 'Senator Kerry, who is seeking the presidential candidacy of the Democratic Party, sharply criticized President Bush, saying it was an ill-considered act to deny direct dialogue with North Korea,' said the news agency. ... Pyongyang's friendly attitude toward Mr. Kerry contrasts with its strong anti-Bush rhetoric."

Like other wartime enemies of the United States, al-Qaeda is relying on presumably unwitting allies in the international peace movements. In his April 15 tape, bin Laden called the antiwar demonstrations a "positive interaction" and cited "opinion polls which indicate that most European people want peace." He appeared to view the Spanish public's ouster of conservative Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar in favor of an anti-U.S. socialist, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, as a sign of weakness in the West.

That component of strategy is nothing new. The North Vietnamese regime relied heavily on American antiwar protesters to undermine the national will and defeat the U.S. military through political means, in ways that Hanoi could not win on the battlefield. The present North Korean regime is following suit, propaganda specialists say. Providing the ideological inspiration for a strong section of the antiwar movement through its loyal political allies in the United States and elsewhere, the regime of Kim Jong-il continues to use the old Soviet active-measures model of international political warfare. The Workers World Party (WWP), a small, numerically insignificant but organizationally superior group based in New York City, slavishly supports the policies of the North Korean government, and its leaders frequently visit Pyongyang. One of its front groups, International ANSWER, coordinates the largest peace protests in the United States [see "Marching for Saddam," March 4-17, 2003].

Pyongyang continually exhorts the peace movement around the world. On Feb. 4 the official North Korean Communist Party paper Rodong Sinmun said, "The antiwar struggle is the main form of the struggle for world peace at present and its principal target is the United States."

The paper continued, "It is impossible to avert a war and achieve the world peace without a struggle against the U.S. imperialists. ... The people of all countries of the world should lift their antiwar, anti-U.S. voices and bind Yankees hand and foot to keep them from starting a war." Later in February, in a more subdued tone, Rodong Sinmun cited Kerry as a more preferable leader than Bush. U.S. national-security leaders have long recognized how the terrorists exploit our democratic system, but have been slow to counter it effectively. Insight obtained a copy of a U.S. Army intelligence briefing titled Al-Qaeda's Use of the Mass Media in Infowar/Netwar. Referring to information warfare (IW) - the use of information and information systems as instruments of conflict - and the social or societal IW medium called netwar, the Army report is based on two years of assessments of more than 200 documents.

Little secret intelligence is needed to understand al-Qaeda's strategy. Open-source information can meet up to 85 percent of the terrorists' intelligence-information needs, according to the report. Public information "provides understanding of strategic plans and intentions [and is] especially useful in forecasting cultural turmoil and societal upheavals, and in planning/conducting IW operations," according to the Army briefing. "AQ [al-Qaeda] is familiar with the art of war, but U.S. military has ignored past lessons in favor of technology, and is ignorant of its current foe," the report says.

Part of al-Qaeda's "counterpropaganda strategy," according to the Army report, is to "turn people's eyes toward their leaders to put enemy [U.S. and coalition partners] on defensive, and take the initiative to affect public opinion."

That is nothing new to students of history and statecraft. George Washington devoted much of his Farewell Address to the need to defend the country against foreign subversion designed to corrupt the national identity. He recognized the difficult situation that "real patriots" who resist foreign intrigues "are liable to become suspected and odious," while those espousing "pretended patriotism" - what he called "tools and dupes" of foreign interests - "usurp[ed] the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests."

J. Michael


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
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I want to do for the worlds education what I did for Arkansas education. Just give me money the money!

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That's what her critic say. She did so much for Arkansas education on all levels, such as introducing a pioneering program called the "Home Instruction Program" for Preschool Youngsters. It soon became a model for other states. The program sent teachers into the homes of underprivileged families to train parents to work with their children in school preparedness and literacy.


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
In response to:
Sure,if you define holding her own as a landslide defeat.

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Hillary would eat them alive in a debate, well Condi anyway! Hillary has such a depth of knowledge on so many issues. It might be a close race, but I know Hillary would come out on top.


Name:   Democrats in Free Fall
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Al Gore today promised to help Sen. John Kerry fight "outrageous and misleading" Republican attacks by giving more than $6 million to Democrat groups. Burdened by leftovers from his failed presidential campaign of 2000, the former veep vowed to donate $4 million to Democratic National Committee, $1 million each to the party's Senate and House committees and $250,000 to the party in Tennessee, the former home state that stomped on his dreams of reaching the Oval Office.

Bonus: He's giving the $240,000 left from his failed coup attempt (i.e., his Florida recount fund), which paid for such schemes as trying to deny the counting of absentee ballots from troops serving overseas, to Florida's foundering and still-raging Democrat party.

All Americans can agree on part of the statement Gore issued today: "The outcome of the election is extremely important for the future of our country."


Name:   Condi
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Hillary would eat them alive in a debate, well Condi anyway! Hillary has such a depth of knowledge on so many issues. It might be a close race, but I know Hillary would come out on top.

Message:
LOL. This country will never elect a female as President. VP maybe. But President, now way.


Name:   Michelle Malkin
Re:   A message for Ashley Judd
Message:
Beautiful young actress Ashley Judd went to Washington last weekend wearing a crucifix and a trendy little T-shirt that boasted: "THIS IS WHAT A FEMINIST LOOKS LIKE."

The Associated Press snapped a photo of Ashley, honored guest of the "March for Women's Lives," which has been widely disseminated on the Internet. Pro-abortion leaders must be ecstatic. In a sea of angry (Hillary Rodham Clinton), haggard (Cybill Shepherd) and ghoulish (Whoopi Goldberg) women shaking their fists and waving coat hangers, Ashley's pretty smile helped put a softer, gentler and more glamorous spin on the morbid march for "reproductive rights."

Ashley's message to millions of young American women and girls: Opposing the partial-birth abortion ban is fun! Morning-after pills are cool! Sex without consequences rules!

One wonders what Ashley's mom, beloved country singer Naomi Judd, must have thought of her daughter traipsing around with abortion rights' militants. Naomi has spoken eloquently for years about how she firmly rejected abortion as an unwed teen and repeatedly witnessed the miracle of life as a labor and delivery nurse. "I've seen sounds . . . you know that those babies are real," she told TV talk show host Sally Jesse Raphael in 1998.

A few years later, Naomi faced off against Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., on ABC's "Politically Incorrect" and argued for an eminently reasonable 24-hour waiting period before abortions. Drawing on her nursing experience, Naomi advocated full disclosure of the risks and consequences of abortion -- including the use of sound to give women the "whole picture." Sen. Mikulski growled that it was an "insult" to think that women didn't know what they were doing. Naomi responded that famous abortionist Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of the National Abortion Rights Action League, only disavowed his profession after witnessing abortion procedures filmed through sound technology.

"Oh, my God in heaven, this is a living human being in its mother's womb," Naomi quoted Nathanson confessing. "(H)e was devastated at what he had done."

Needless to say, neither Naomi nor Dr. Nathanson was welcomed on the dais with Ashley, Whoopi and Cybill. Neither was Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, who committed the shocking sin of letting the truth about abortion slip out in a recent Newsweek interview. The procedure, she said, is about "stopping the process of life . . . I don't view abortion as just a nothing."

One wonders at the candid conversation Mrs. Heinz Kerry might have had with Rebecca Porter, Florida director of Operation Outcry Silent No More, who recently attended a Kerry campaign event in Tampa, Fla. Porter quietly held a sign that read, "My abortion hurt me." Candidate John Kerry stared at Porter's sign while working a handshake line, but did not address her. Instead, a Kerry campaign staffer grabbed the sign and tore it to pieces.

Emulating the Democratic Party strategy (remember, this is the party that banned pro-life Democrat Bob Casey, the late governor of Pennsylvania, from speaking at its 1992 presidential convention), the free-speech fanatics of the Left did their best to stifle pro-life dissent and voices of conscience at last weekend's march. They shouted down counter-protesters and tried to hide pro-life protest signs by covering them with their profanity-laced placards. The abortionistas got unexpected help from the Bush administration's National Park Service, which forbade many pro-lifers from displaying graphic posters on adjacent sidewalks.

Nonetheless, the truth keeps slipping out. In Britain, a ground-breaking documentary by filmmaker Julia Black titled "My Foetus" aired last week. Black is pro-choice, but says she "wanted to kick-start debate by allowing both sides . . . to actually look at what an abortion is." Her film showed a four-week-old fetus being vacuumed from its mother's womb -- as well as images of the broken limbs of 10, 11 and 21-week-old aborted children.

Pro-choice journalist Lauren Booth described her response to the documentary this way: "My hand flew to my mouth in shock. I swallowed. I didn't want to say it, but the word 'murder' came to my lips."

This is the true face of abortion, Ashley. Multiply it by 40 million. The mass destruction of unborn life in the name of feminist rights is not "just a nothing." Go ask your mom.


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
To:   STOP HILLARY PAC IDIOTS

Re:   Look at what I found
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It is very likely that Hillary Rodham Clinton is going to run for Vice-President of the United States in 2004.

Inside the Washington, DC Beltway, the "professional Republicans" do not believe she will run; instead, the conventional wisdom is that she will wait until 2008 and run for the Presidency.

Guess what? These are the very same people who, back in 1992, never thought then-President George H.W. Bush could possibly lose to a draft-dodging, pot-smoking newcomer named Bill Clinton. So they took Clinton lightly and never even attacked his atrocious record in Arkansas!

The ...

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Look at what those Stop Hillary PAC morons are up to.

Hey Stop Hillary PAC and Freepers, what are you gonna do to stop her? All the crap you nuts have compiled on her is NOTHING NEW, NOTHING TRUE and NOTHING PROVED!!

What's your campaign going to consist of? A bunch of loser freepers following her around dressed up and holding anti-Hillary signs? Another book? Who reads them anyway as they just keep repeating the same crap they've been writing about for years now! (sarcastic) Big deal! It's really worked so far, hasn't it?!(/sarcastic) Just like when you idiots swore up and down you were going to keep her out of the Senate. Give it up!!


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
To:   Condi

In response to:
LOL. This country will never elect a female as President. VP maybe. But President, now way.

Message:
Never say never!!


Name:   Why do Democrats lie so much
In response to:
All the crap you nuts have compiled on her is NOTHING NEW, NOTHING TRUE and NOTHING PROVED!!

Message:
That is a lie.

Why do Democrats lie so much?


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
Message:
Why do Republicans lie so much?


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
Message:
Why do Republicans make up lies about people? I want to know WHY???


Name:   Purple Heart Trouble... :-/
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Purple Heart Problem?

Friday, April 16, 2004
By Brit Hume

And now the most engrossing two minutes in television, the latest from the political grapevine:

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Purple Heart Problem?

John Kerry's hometown newspaper, the Boston Globe, reports that his commanding officer in Vietnam questioned whether Kerry deserved one of the three purple hearts that got Kerry an early ticket home.

Lieutenant Commander Grant Hibbard remembers -- "[Kerry] had a little scratch on his forearm, and he was holding a piece of shrapnel." What's more, according to Hibbard, Kerry's fellow soldiers said at the time that they didn't think they had received any enemy fire.

Hibbard says he questioned Kerry about the incident, but Kerry was so persistent about earning a purple heart that he reluctantly dropped the matter. The paper did report that its investigation indicated Kerry had acted heroically in other instances in Vietnam.

Commission Grandstanding?

Sept. 11 victims' family members who have been hissing at Bush officials and applauding Bush critics have gotten a lot of media and commission attention. But a larger group of victims' families have written a letter to National Security adviser Condoleezza Rice, thanking her for her testimony last week and accusing some on the 9/11 commission of -- "grandstand[ing] for political gain."

The letter, signed by 40 family members, says -- "We believe Dr. Rice when she says that the president 'would have moved heaven and earth' to [prevent 9/11] had he known such an attack ... was imminent. Any suggestion otherwise is incredible and inflammatory."

Dem Party: Remove Ad

The Florida Democratic Party is demanding that the St. Petersburg Democratic Club immediately remove the -- "reprehensible" ad it placed in a local paper, and then issue a formal apology.

The ad reads -- "[Donald] Rumsfeld [has] said of Iraq, 'We have our good days and our bad days.' We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say 'This is one of our bad days,' and pull the trigger."

Florida Democratic officials, quoted by the Washington Times, insist the ad -- "does not in any way convey the opinion ... of mainstream Democrats."

Dressed for Success?

Remember last week we told you how Sam Walls, a candidate for the Texas state legislature, was under pressure to drop out of the Republican primary race after photos of him in women's clothing and earrings began circulating around his district?

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Well, Sam Walls stayed in the race, and the primary was held yesterday. Walls -- a front-runner earlier in the race -- lost to Rob Orr, by a margin of 60 to 40 percent.

FOX News' Michael Levine contributed to this report


Name:   Colin Powell
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And I would love to see her going up against a ticket of Colin Powell/Condoleeza Rice.

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I'm not speaking for Condi but I will never run for the Republicans again. Never, never, never.


Name:   Patriot
Message:
Hillary Clinton is no more fit to be President or Vice President than was Benedict Arnold. The woman above all else is a traitor to her country.

Why would a US Senator responsible for legislating policy in this country decide that it was in the best interest of her country and her constituents to tell an Arab paper that the US was in trouble and does not have the manpower or international support to win the war in Iraq? Is this not aiding and comforting our enemies? Does this kind of statement encourage moderate arabs to ally with our cause? Or does it tell them that the congress is not supportive of the war and we will pull out and leave them to hang? She is a traitor and should be tried and executed!


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
In response to:
Why are Democrats incapable of original thought?

Message:
Why do you even exist??


Name:   Save Democracy in Iraq
To:   Hillary Supporter

In response to:
She is not going to run in 2004 or accept a draft. 2008 will be her year especially with the way things are looking for Kerry right now.

Message:
Somebody has to step in and save democracy in Iraq. We must finish the job we went there for. Unfortunately Bush, with too much cocky arrogance, dissing the European allies, and lying to the American people and to the U.N. he has lost his credibility and is now in a "no win" situation.

Bush cannot bail himself out of this, and Kerry can't either. So who is left with the international power to pull this off? There are only two people, and one of them is Hillary, the other is Bill.

These are the only two people who can pull both our allies, and the Muslim leaders who do not want to see Iraq unstable, together.

Either Bush creates a role for Hillary and Bill, or Hillary should be drafted into the role of President whether wants to or not.

Yes, it would strategically benefit Hillary is wait until 2008, but the world can't be tailored for her benefit. Iraq must be stabilized now. It's not too late.


Name:   Bill Clinton
In response to:
So who is left with the international power to pull this off? There are only two people, and one of them is Hillary, the other is Bill. These are the only two people who can pull both our allies, and the Muslim leaders who do not want to see Iraq unstable, together.

Message:
I do for Iraq what I did for the Palestinians and Israelis.


Name:   Roy G. Biv
Message:
Re the word "queer", one should note that in current usage this word is more inclusive than "gay", covering many other sexual minorities. It seems reasonable to assume that most, if not all, racists are coprophiliac sado-masochists.


Name:   Dirty Deeds (done By Dems)
Re:   The Torricelli Option: Will Dems dump Kerry?
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Hugh Hewitt

There is palpable fear among Democrats as they contemplate their presumptive nominee, John Kerry, the candidate who couldn't keep his lies straight.

Kerry followed a week made disastrous by his military records fiasco with a Monday morning performance with Charlie Gibson of ABC's Good Morning America that will live in TV history alongside the 1980 Roger Mudd-Teddy Kennedy exchange through which it dawned on America that a senator in search of a verb wasn't really equipped to be a president.

Gibson's refusal to be deflected by Kerry's rambling incoherence led to a post-interview denunciation of ABC by Kerry. "They are doing the work of the Republican National Committee," Kerry muttered. Yeah, that's the ticket. Jennings et al., are working for the GOP which is working for Fox News' Roger Ailes who is, of course, working for Halliburton. Hillary's vast, right-wing conspiracy just got vaster. Like the Borg, the VRWC has absorbed Disney-owned ABC. Who knew?

There are powers in the Democratic Party, and they cannot be pleased. Tom Daschle, for one, has got to be thinking through the impact of a presidential contest that is over once the polls close at 6 in the East. That sort of wave in 1980 took out George McGovern and a lot of famous liberals just like Daschle.

Streisand's got to be worried as well. She knows what happens when the movie tanks in the first 10 minutes. People return her phone calls, even though she doesn't make any sense at all. Rob Reiner knows a thing or two about stiffs as well. Remember 1994's "North"? Neither does anyone else. Reiner knows that hopes and dreams do not a success make.

And the Clintons-in-Exile, they must hear the music. Forget their ethics and policies, they have a well-deserved reputation for perfect pitch when it comes to politics. Imagine Bill and Hill watching Kerry strangle himself. How they must laugh ... then cry. Hillary gets the nod in 2008, but what will be left after the wipeout?

Another movie analogy: Jim Carrey in the bathroom scene from "Liar, Liar" when he tries to injure himself. That's John Kerry over the past six weeks, throwing himself against walls in front of the national TV audience with the effect of inflicting maximum damage on himself.

It has worked.

Too well, I am afraid. Dems know he's a loser. But can anything be done?

Who knows? Don't bother looking up the rules governing nominations. There were rules in Florida, and the Florida Supreme Court tore those up when Gore needed help. There were rules in New Jersey, but when Torricelli flamed, the New Jersey Supreme Court tossed those aside. There were rules in California, and three judges ordered a halt to the recall that only went forward because the luck of an en banc draw brought sanity to the review panel.

No, the rules won't stop Kerry's recall. Only Teddy can, and the weight of the senior senator from Massachusetts shouldn't be underestimated. The Kerry campaign is his last hurrah, and the convention's in Boston, for goodness sake. What kind of a reception would follow a party that tossed Kerry onto the tracks?

Does Daschle care? Does Patty Murray? Barbara Boxer? Any of a half-dozen endangered Dem incumbents in the Senate and a score in the House? So the receiving committee is a littlie frosty and Teddy dumps them from the Christmas card list – they'll still have jobs.

And Dean – what's he thinking when he can get the voices to quiet down? He was robbed, you know ... by the same people now conspiring against Kerry. Dean doesn't forget, and there's not enough Ambien in America to get him a night's sleep. What if, with another yell, he decides to demand an open convention. "Let the delegates vote!" isn't a bad slogan. Bring back all the orange hats and the blog and all that. Quite a party could be had by all.

Bill Clinton just announced the publication date of his new memoir: Late June. How unfortunate for Kerry – Bill has to do a book tour for the month running up to the convention, sucking the air right out of an already spent balloon. Sorry, couldn't be avoided. Publisher deadlines and all.

So as Kerry melts away, there – on every television screen in the land – will be Saturday Night Bill, playing his sax, blowing his own horn, saying stuff. All sorts of stuff. Looking incredibly large, opposite the incredibly small Kerry.

Tick, tick, tick. The Torricelli Option. Coming to theaters near you this summer.


Name:   Condi
Re:   Hillary for President
In response to:
Never say never!!

Message:
I already have and I will say it again. This country will never elect a female as President.


Name:   AFP
Message:
Annan on defensive over fraud charges in UN Iraq oil scheme

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UNITED NATIONS (AFP) - UN Secretary General Kofi Annan hit back at the media over allegations of widespread fraud and corruption in the UN programme that oversaw Saddam Hussein's oil sales in Iraq.

With a brewing scandal enveloping the United Nations over the programme, a defensive Annan blamed "outrageous" press reports about the affair and also took a swipe at the United States and Britain.

"If you read the reports it looks as if the Saddam regime had nothing to do with it. They did nothing wrong, it was all the UN," he told reporters in some of his bluntest comments yet on the matter.

"Some of the comments that I h