Name:   Civil Bagdasarian
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The Evil Of Islam

During the early part of the tribulation hour, the world will temporarily experience a time of harmony among most world religions. The Book of Revelation refers to this organization as the harlot church. The only people who will not be part of this abomination will be true believers.  

"So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration" (Rev. 17:3-6).

Because we are probably drawing very near to the time of the advent of the harlot church, the grievous evildoings of one particular faith is being swept under the rug. Islam has certainly benefited greatly from the actions of demonic spirits that seek to bring about religious unity.   

In preparation for this article I monitored all the stories related to the global planning or carrying out of terrorist attacks over the past two weeks. In every single case, there was a direct connection with the activity of groups who follow after the teachings of Mohammed. The best non-Islamic example I could find was a pledge from Peru's Shining Path guerillas to launch attacks if the government doesn't respond to their demands. Here are just a few headlines I gleaned from news sites that indicate that Muslims intend to deliver on their threats:

Blast destroys Saudi police HQ; 9 dead
Suicide Bombers Kill 68 in Southern Iraq
Al-Qaida plans high-sea terror
Spain Arrests 18th Terror Bombing Suspect
Al-Qaida cells raided across the world
Tel-Aviv placed on high alert
Jordan cell planned chemical attack threatening 20,000 deaths
Australian Police Arrest Terror Suspect
Ten arrests in Manchester, UK terror raids
Hamas vows "volcano of revenge" after Rantissi assassination
Al-Qaeda planning large-scale attacks against London
Eight Terror Suspects Arrested in Kabul
Iraqi: Most Muslim intellectuals for terror
Dirty bomb plot on Sears Tower

Another indication of Islam's diabolical nature is the promotion of pointless violence. Every day, some extremist blows himself up for some vague cause. I understand the goal of causing death and injury to enemy forces, but I can't see the logic of people paying the ultimate sacrifice to damage an oil pipeline or kill a large number of their own countrymen.

These extremists are engaging in acts that are so far removed from fundamental moral values that no faith should ever try to sanction them. The God of Islam would have to be a sick monster to be pleased by militants bombing school buses loaded with handicapped children. A collective  reality check should have been triggered in the Arab world by the news that Hamas was using boys in their early teens to carry out suicide attacks against Israeli troops. 

The source of Islam's evil tendency toward violence stems from an error made by a couple who lived 4,000 years ago. Abraham and Sarah figured that God had failed to fulfill His promise to give them a son. They decided to take matters into their own hands. Sarah gave Hagar, her Egyptian maid, to Abraham and the maid conceived a son named Ishmael.

The son of the covenant between God and Abraham turned out to be Isaac, who was born to Sarah at a later time. Although Ishmael was rejected, God promised him that he would also become a great nation. Unfortunately, the blessing would come with a high price. The angel of the Lord told Hagar that Ishmael would be a troublesome "wildman." In the Hebrew, the term means an "untamed wild donkey."     

"And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation" (Gen. 17:20). 

"And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren" (Gen. 16:12). 

Satan has formed an alliance of convenience with the Arabs. They both seek to rob Israel out of her inheritance. The Arabs want Israel's land and birthright; the devil is trying to prevent his own destruction by removing Israel from the Holy Land. The Bible tells us they both will ultimately fail. 

"As for all my wicked neighbors who seize the inheritance I gave my people Israel, I will uproot them from their lands and I will uproot the house of Judah from among them" (Jer. 12:14).

"For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull [them] down; and I will plant them, and not pluck [them] up" (Jer 24:6).


God Bless Those Godless Brits

Every time a site in Great Britain features Rapture Ready I can always be sure that I'll receive dozens of nasty emails from folks who are repulsed by the idea of a rapture.  Last Tuesday, George Monbiot caused my inbox to overflow when he wrote a commentary in The Guardian that accused: "US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy." Rapture Ready was one of the fundamentalists sources he cited. You can find the article at the following link: Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power

Because the liberal media is so clueless about the end times, and gun-shy about delving into prophecy related to the Bible, it has a special attraction for the Rapture Index. Mr. Monbiot reported that the "Beast Government," "Wild Weather," and "Israel" categories are all trading at the maximum five points.

Because he posted a direct link to RR, I estimate about 30,000 people decided to pay a visit to the site. Because the number of true followers of Christ in Europe has dwindled down to less than 5 percent, nearly all the email messages I received where from non-believers. I was amazed at the willingness of people to openly admit they are not saved.   

It is very depressing to realize that Great Britain was once the most Christianized nation on earth. If you look at our Christian Classics page, you will find that many of the great leaders of the faith lived in England. When I visited that country several years ago, I found that most churches had been turned into museums that are heavily dependent on tourists from America. 

If there is something positive I could say about the spiritual state of England, it would be the fact that they do not live in denial about their lack of faith. In America, a large percentage of the population claims to be Christian, and our churches are normally full on Sundays. The problem here in the States is that most of the people are not true Christians.

When Jesus addressed the seven churches in Revelation, He had the strongest rebuke for the Laodiceans. Because they were rich and in need of nothing, the depravity of their spiritual state was difficult to identify. At the time of the rapture, the percentage of people caught up out of America may be surprisingly low compared to other countries that do not commonly fit the "Christian" label.

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth" (Rev. 3:15-16).

Because people in England are mostly unfamiliar with the Bible, they have no preexisting doctrinal issues to hinder them from becoming believers. The lack of baggage may be reason enough be hopeful that the post-rapture revival will gain a strong foothold in that nation.
--Todd


Good Is Bad?

  The past week has confirmed further for me that we are indeed in the perilous times prophesied by the Apostle Paul. It seems the Scriptures about things to come are being validated on an hourly basis in our time. We can say to Christians today, like John the apostle said to Christians of his own day: “Little children, it is the last time…” (1 John 2:18).

To understand the seriousness and lateness of this “last time,” I must bring to light facts that perhaps will make this column smack of politics. Getting political is not my intention. However, I, at the same time, won’t shrink from my opinion that the Devil is in the details of political activities going on these days.

Please know that I understand fully that the serpent works within all political parties and all other humanistic institutions as well. Likewise, I realize that no one politician is without fault or free of sin. All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

However, when an individual seeking office is raked over the coals of public ridicule for his Christian beliefs, mocking the name of Christ for the sake of trying to gain political advantage, this cannot stand –not without being confronted. The defense of the name of my Lord, Jesus –not my President, George W. Bush-- is what this writing is about so far as my intentions are concerned.

CBS News program host Mike Wallace led the charge Sunday before last on "60 Minutes," stating his questions to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward in a manner that can be described only as smirking, even mocking. Wallace was incredulous that President Bush would pray about decisions confronting him as president. This activity, it was plain that both Mr. Wallace and Mr. Woodward thought, cannot be tolerated.

Bob Woodward, of Watergate reporting fame, was guest, hawking his book on Bush’s handling of the action against Saddam Hussein’s regime. Plan of Attack, published by CBS owner Simon & Schuster, came a little bit too conveniently –some observers think—at the time of the 911 Commission’s inquiries into the Islamic radicals’ attacks on New York and Washington D.C. That book, according to some excerpts, and to Woodward’s and Wallace’s comments on "60 Minutes," portray George W. Bush as a religious fanatic who has strange conversations with…Wallace and Woodward guesses…God. Bush must be some kind of a nut, is the underlying tone and tenet of the interview.

The diatribe painting Bush as a Christian lunatic continues as of this writing. The President’s political enemies don’t seem to mind herding all of us who are Christians, and are bold enough to say so publicly, into the same bullpen of journalistic prerogative.

They ignore the writings of George Washington, John Adams, and practically all of the key founding fathers and their writings and recorded historical statements about America’s close ties to Christianity and to God. Even the apparently non-Christian Franklin and Jefferson acknowledged the close tie to God in the formation and fate of the nation. The remarks by these great early Americans are legion concerning their belief that God’s hand was at work in bringing America to birth –and sustaining it beyond that.

Yet the elite journalists call Bush the dunce, when it is he who is more aligned with the founding fathers' view of what has made America a great and free nation. Their derision goes beyond insulting the President, however. The following account tells the story.  

Bush is no intellectual  

WASHINGTON: The US President Mr. George W. Bush is no intellectual, nor does he have any historical perspective to the way he conducts his administration, according to journalist Mr Bob Woodward, whose book, Plan of Attack, has just been released.  

Mr Woodward's assessment, after interviewing Mr Bush twice for the book and talking to 75 others, is that Mr, Bush is no intellectual and feels that he is not part of the intellectual elite.  

Mr Woodward said he asked Mr Bush how he thought history would rate him. Mr Bush's reply was: "We won't know. We will all be dead."  

Asked whether he consulted his father on the Iraq war, Mr. Bush replied that Mr. Bush, senior, "is the wrong father to appeal to for advice in terms of strength" and that he looks up to a "higher father," namely God.  

Mr Bush told Woodward that it does not matter how long it takes in Iraq so long as the outcome is stability and democracy (Source: Hindu Times, Internet News Update 17.00 hrs (IST) Monday. April 19).

Other “elite” journalists have jumped on the destroy-the-Christian-myth bandwagon. The following, from the New Republic, sums up the attitude of those who would have an America devoid of anything to do with the name Christ. But still, the idea that the President believes he is doing God's bidding at war time is unsettling.  

"There's this odd, personal religiosity about Bush," says Lou Dubose, co-author (with Molly Ivins) of Shrub: The Short but Happy Political Life of George W. Bush. "And the religious people he was connected with in Texas aren't anything like the mainstream--even the mainstream in Texas."  

Dubose cites James Robison, a Fort Worth televangelist. "Bush appeared on Robison's 'Life Today' television ministry and invited Robison to be the main speaker at the prayer breakfast in Austin on the day of Bush's second inauguration as governor," according to Shrub. During that prayer breakfast, Robison related a back-and-forth conversation he had with God while driving on the freeway between Arlington and Dallas. Bush is also an admirer of James Dobson of the rightwing religious group Focus on the Family.  

"He's the most recklessly religious President we've seen," says Annie Laurie Gaylor, editor of Freethought Today, the publication of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, in Madison, Wisconsin. "He's on a religious mission, and you can't divorce religion from his militarism. He believes in fighting righteous war."  

Chip Berlet, senior analyst for Political Research Associates in Somerville, Massachusetts, is an expert on rightwing religious groups. "Bush is very much into the apocalyptic and messianic thinking of militant Christian evangelicals," he says. "He seems to buy into the worldview that there is a giant struggle between good and evil culminating in a final confrontation. People with that kind of a worldview often take risks that are inappropriate and scary because they see it as carrying out God's will."  

One day the “elites” will have the planet to themselves, without Christians. Second Thessalonians 2 reports the future results of that time when God will let them have their own way, without Holy Spirit restraint.  

For now, Paul’s perilous times leap at us every day. “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come…[for men shall be] …despisers of those that are good… lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof…” (2 Tim. 3: 1,3-5).

It is one thing to legitimately point out things that we consider wrong with the way a politician handles one matter of state or another. It is quite another to attack the person who names the name of Christ, with the intention of branding him a lunatic because of his belief.

Those who attack the good that is in the children of God (Christians) –and we are good only through Christ Jesus—would do well to heed God’s warning. Such upside-down ridicule will bring the Lord’s wrath: “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” (Isa. 5:20).
--Terry


Name:   w46 n
Message:
Posted by Lookin In And Shaking Head In Dismay on April 26, 2004 at 20:16:18:

In Reply to: I must close this forum until posted by editor@hillary.org on April 26, 2004 at 20:11:08:

You said it! *lol*

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, - we may agree/disagree, but some of the comments here do not one bit of justice to anyone. People reading this extreme stuff end up wondering which planet these folks live on and wondering if this is the common mentality of US people - (I know it's not! *s*). I'm half expecting to see "solutions" for Iraq to be "let's nude em" :-) Peace out!!



Name:   Myron Mankins
To:   All

Re:   CLINTON/PELOSI O4! GET WITH IT PEOPLE! TIME IS SHORT!!
In response to:
Democrat Armageddon, or Change?

Message:
Hey, hey, ho, ho! John Kohn Kerry has got to GO!

CLINTON/PELOSI 04!!

SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY!

SAVE ROE V WADE!


Name:   Halle Berry
Message:


Hillary's Secret War: The Clinton Conspiracy to Muzzle Internet Journalists
by Richard Poe (Author)


Name:   Matt Towery
Re:   Inside the numbers
Message:
Weeks ago, Sen. Edward Kennedy proclaimed the war in Iraq "another Vietnam." Whether Kennedy's statement was a dispassionate assessment of the situation, or a trial balloon for the Democrats' big theme this election season, our most recent InsiderAdvantage survey indicates that most Americans are not yet persuaded that Kennedy is correct.

Our April survey of voters asked:

"Do you agree or disagree with the statement 'Iraq is becoming another Vietnam'?"

Agree: 38 percent

Disagree: 57 percent

Undecided/Don't know: 5 percent

The poll was conducted with our associates, The Marketing Workshop, on April 12 and 14. It sampled 500 voters nationwide and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

While the continued chaos and loss of American lives in Iraq may lend itself to comparisons with the once seemingly endless loss of life in Vietnam, the InsiderAdvantage poll clearly shows that those who identify themselves as Democrats strongly agree the Iraqi conflict has reached a level where it can be compared with the truly divisive and controversial Vietnam War. Not only do Republicans strongly disagree with statement, but so too do those identifying themselves as independent voters. And those who describe themselves as "moderates" in their political philosophy joined conservatives in rejecting the notion as well. Even 37 percent of those who call themselves "liberal" disagreed with the statement.

So if Iraq is no Vietnam, where will the issue take Democrats and their presumptive nominee, Sen. John Kerry? Once again, the answer to that question can be found, at least in part, in the degree to which the Democratic rhetoric and media reports can highlight the war's direction.

For example, just last week, pictures not cleared by the government for release showed a military cargo plane filled with flag-draped caskets, one after another. The image was a powerful reminder the losses from the war are starting to mount. And with each new attack on troops or civilians in Iraq, there are new statements from Kerry questioning the president's handling of the war, and protests from others arguing the United States should never have pushed for a regime change in that country.

Our survey, which was conducted both before and after the president's recent press conference -- dominated by questions over the war in Iraq -- indicated there has yet to develop a critical shift of public opinion in the direction of declaring Iraq a hopeless or desperate situation, or at least one of the magnitude of Vietnam's darkest days. In fact, the levels at which most Americans reject the idea were so strong that they beg the obvious question, "Do most voters today even remember the Vietnam War?"

It appears that age may play some role in how people feel about any Iraq-Vietnam comparison. For example, the two age groups who most strongly disagreed Iraq is becoming another Vietnam were those between the ages of 22 and 34 and 35 and 44. The younger of these two groups had either not been born or were toddlers when Vietnam ended. Even those in their early 40s likely remember the conflict, but they never faced the threat of being drafted or having to fight in it.

Older respondents were more likely to agree with the comparison, with a plurality of voters age 65 and older actually agreeing that, yes, Iraq is becoming another Vietnam. And therein can be found the challenge for both the Democrats and Republicans over this issue.

For Democrats, the politics of Iraq must rely in part on continued accusations combined with free flowing pictures of wounded and the return of bodies to the United States. However, such sad and, some would argue, politically opportunistic circumstances alone won't do the trick. Obviously any effort to compare the anguish of the years of Vietnam to our current efforts in Iraq will require a major education process, one which visually shows the horror that was Vietnam and somehow, through the sleight of hand that political media gurus employ, convinces younger voters the two events are indeed similar.

The Republicans face the challenge of defining the war in Iraq as being different, both in purpose and in clarity of mission, from that of the small peace-keeping mission that turned into an endless battle to contain the enemy. The results following Bush's press conference suggest he may well have made some early inroads in that direction. But older voters who remember the 1960s may continue to see the images of chaos in the streets and soldiers killed in action as a vivid reminder of a time they would like to forget.

It appears, at present, that while Iraq may be the biggest issue this November, it is currently no Vietnam. To make it one will take a combination of continued loss of life and intense media and political exploitation.


Name:   Spaniards ruined Al Jolson's life, too
To:   forum

Re:   chickens go home to roost in Muslim Spain
In response to:
MADRID, Spain (AP) - Spain has completed the withdrawal of its peacekeeping troops from Iraq, Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said Tuesday. "No Spanish member of the Plus II brigade remains in Iraq," Zapatero told Parliament in a debate on his decision to withdraw the 1,300 troops. The Plus brigade is the name for the Spanish contingent, which was stationed in the south-central cities of Najaf and Diwaniya.

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Spain , who had more troops in Iraq than the Vatican, is pulling out."It's not like we're tucking our tails between our legs and fleeing for our lives.",said a spokesman to CNN (Cresent News Network). "We have no tails, anyway the Muslim occupation is going swimmingly back home in Spain. The evil white Europeans who ruined South America, North America and other portions of the world will be pacified into Islam."


Name:   !!
Message:

ABC News - Proud Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Since April 26, 2004.


Name:   Wolfgang Langawiechi
To:   forum

Re:   Know Why? Vouchers equalize opportunity
In response to:
Poll finds split on educational equality Tue Apr 27, 6:55 AM ET By Greg Toppo, USA TODAY Nearly 50 years after the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) outlawed separate schools for black and white students, most Americans now believe that blacks have better educational opportunities. But fewer than one in three blacks say opportunities for black children are now on par with those of whites. •

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Blacks continue to be denied Vouchers unless we go north. The South will always deny us vouchers to go to the church run and other private schools. Some day care is doubling as home schooling with at home mothers raking in the coin in day care while home schooling other people's children. Homeschooled children have continued to shame California's racist schools so badly that the NEA has sought to outlaw homeschooling. This will force the rest of the family-oriented people to move elsewhere if it ever passes. High taxes continue to force businesses to Nevada and jobs go with them. California teachers will fight homeschooling for they do not give a tiny 136 year old mouse named Yoda's rear end to improve kid's education.


Name:   Controlling the Debate
To:   ET

Re:   I WON'T FOLLOW HIM
Message:
For all the excitement about presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry, it isn't translating into volunteers for his campaign. In fact, according to a Kerry campaign staffer in Florida, the Kerry camp is surprised by the lack of paid staff and volunteer crossover from other dead Democratic primary campaigns to theirs.

"We aren't getting a lot of young people coming on board to help from other campaigns, like Gephardt and Clark and Dean," says the Kerry staffer. "We don't know if it's sour grapes, lack of enthusiasm, or them just being fried from the primary season."

Kerry has made some strategic hires from other campaigns, particularly to fill regional positions. But he apparently has failed to get many Democratic worker bees' hearts racing.

One potential hire, a former Clark campaign aide, was recently offered a position by the Kerry campaign, but turned it down. She may end up working for MoveOn.org or might sign on to do some consulting for Howard Dean's new 527.

"I thought about Senator Kerry, but couldn't get into it. He just isn't my guy," says the former Clark staffer. "General Clark didn't turn out to be everything we hoped, but he was someone I could admire. Kerry just doesn't have what Clark or Dean has. I couldn't work for him."

According to a DNC source, the party overall is not having trouble finding volunteers to help with the convention or at headquarters. "But I know that in some areas, down south in Florida, and in the Midwest, Kerry is having trouble getting large numbers. He's banking on the unions sending him some help. By now, he should be turning volunteers away, but he has time to get things straightened out."


Name:   Fair and Balanced
To:   ET the Terminator

Re:   Ilk-herding
In response to:
LIST KERRY'S FLIP-FLOPS ON THIS FORUM

Message:
It's taken TEN already....


Name:   Puhleeeze
In response to:
Recently we have had to endure an abusive group have no respect for the democratic process, or the pursuit of truth through intellectual debate. Instead they overload this forum with hateful, meaningless crap in a futile and desperate effort to win against the opposition.

Message:
Recently?????? Bordertex, LOF and Individual hve been spewing bile for a loooong time.


Name:   wmd
Message:
New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is being reported. Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the media and by critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all. But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found. In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles -- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors. The Iraq Survey Group, ISG, whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight. "There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for." Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner. The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war. Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects." They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said. But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence. "Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight. "Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area. When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice. Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks: A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program? "Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'" New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations. A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit." "Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N." "Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]." In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles -- probably the No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported. In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had found evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making chemical- and biological-warfare agents. The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program." In taking apart Iraq's clandestine procurement network, Duelfer said his investigators had discovered that "the primary source of illicit financing for this system was oil smuggling conducted through government-to-government protocols negotiated with neighboring countries [and] from kickback payments made on contracts set up through the U.N. oil-for-food program." What the president's critics and the media widely have portrayed as the most dramatic failure of the U.S. case against Saddam has been the claimed failure to find "stockpiles" of chemical and biological weapons. But in a June 2003 Washington Post op-ed, former chief U.N. weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus called such criticism "a distortion and a trivialization of a major threat to international peace and security." The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction concluded that Saddam "probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons [MT] and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW [chemical warfare] agents -- much of it added in the last year." That assessment was based, in part, on conclusions contained in the final report from U.N. weapons inspectors in 1999, which highlighted discrepancies in what the Iraqis reported to the United Nations and the amount of precursor chemicals U.N. arms inspectors could document Iraq had imported but for which it no longer could account. Until now, Bush's critics say, no stockpiles of CW agents made with those precursors have been found. The snap conclusion they draw is that the administration "lied" to the American people to create a pretext for invading Iraq. But what are "stockpiles" of CW agents supposed to look like? Was anyone seriously expecting Saddam to have left behind freshly painted warehouses packed with chemical munitions, all neatly laid out in serried rows, with labels written in English? Or did they think that a captured Saddam would guide U.S. troops to smoking vats full of nerve gas in an abandoned factory? Stockpiles found In fact, as recent evidence made public by a former operations officer for the Coalition Provisional Authority's intelligence unit in Iraq shows, some of those stockpiles have been found - not all at once, and not all in nice working order -- but found all the same. Douglas Hanson was a U.S. Army cavalry reconnaissance officer for 20 years, and a veteran of Gulf War I. He was an atomic demolitions munitions security officer and a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer. As a civilian analyst in Iraq last summer, he worked for an operations intelligence unit of the CPA in Iraq, and later, with the newly formed Ministry of Science and Technology, which was responsible for finding new, nonlethal employment for Iraqi WMD scientists. In an interview with Insight and in an article he wrote for the online magazine AmericanThinker.com, Hanson examines reports from U.S. combat units and public information confirming that many of Iraq's CW stockpiles have indeed been found. Until now, however, journalists have devoted scant attention to this evidence, in part because it contradicts the story line they have been putting forward since the U.S.-led inspections began after the war. But another reason for the media silence may stem from the seemingly undramatic nature of the "finds" Hanson and others have described. The materials that constitute Saddam's chemical-weapons "stockpiles" look an awful lot like pesticides, which they indeed resemble. "Pesticides are the key elements in the chemical-agent arena," Hanson says. "In fact, the general pesticide chemical formula (organophosphate) is the 'grandfather' of modern-day nerve agents." The United Nations was fully aware that Saddam had established his chemical-weapons plants under the guise of a permitted civilian chemical-industry infrastructure. Plants inspected in the early 1990s as CW production facilities had been set up to appear as if they were producing pesticides, or in the case of a giant plant near Fallujah, chlorine, which is used to produce mustard gas. When coalition forces entered Iraq, "huge warehouses and caches of 'commercial and agricultural' chemicals were seized and painstakingly tested by Army and Marine chemical specialists," Hanson writes. "What was surprising was how quickly the ISG refuted the findings of our ground forces and how silent they have been on the significance of these caches." Caches of "commercial and agricultural" chemicals don't match the expectation of "stockpiles" of chemical weapons. But, in fact, that is precisely what they are. "At a very minimum," Hanson tells Insight, "they were storing the precursors to restart a chemical-warfare program very quickly." Kay and Duelfer came to a similar conclusion, telling Congress under oath that Saddam had built new facilities and stockpiled the materials to relaunch production of chemical and biological weapons at a moment's notice. At Karbala, U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what appeared to be a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the drums were stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters -- with unpleasant results. "More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman, and two Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve agent," Hanson says. "But later ISG tests resulted in a proclamation of negative, end of story, nothing to see here, etc., and the earlier findings and injuries dissolved into nonexistence. Left unexplained is the small matter of the obvious pains taken to disguise the cache of ostensibly legitimate pesticides. One wonders about the advantage an agricultural-commodities business gains by securing drums of pesticide in camouflaged bunkers 6 feet underground. The 'agricultural site' was also colocated with a military ammunition dump -- evidently nothing more than a coincidence in the eyes of the ISG." That wasn't the only significant find by coalition troops of probable CW stockpiles, Hanson believes. Near the northern Iraqi town of Bai'ji, where Saddam had built a chemical-weapons plant known to the United States from nearly 12 years of inspections, elements of the 4th Infantry Division found 55-gallon drums containing a substance identified through mass spectrometry analysis as cyclosarin -- a nerve agent. Nearby were surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, gas masks and a mobile laboratory that could have been used to mix chemicals at the site. "Of course, later tests by the experts revealed that these were only the ubiquitous pesticides that everybody was turning up," Hanson says. "It seems Iraqi soldiers were obsessed with keeping ammo dumps insect-free, according to the reading of the evidence now enshrined by the conventional wisdom that 'no WMD stockpiles have been discovered.'" At Taji -- an Iraqi weapons complex as large as the District of Columbia -- U.S. combat units discovered more "pesticides" stockpiled in specially built containers, smaller in diameter but much longer than the standard 55-gallon drum. Hanson says he still recalls the military sending digital images of the canisters to his office, where his boss at the Ministry of Science and Technology translated the Arabic-language markings. "They were labeled as pesticides," he says. "Gee, you sure have got a lot of pesticides stored in ammo dumps." Again, this January, Danish forces found 120-millimeter mortar shells filled with a mysterious liquid that initially tested positive for blister agents. But subsequent tests by the United States disputed that finding. "If it wasn't a chemical agent, what was it?" Hanson asks. "More pesticides? Dish-washing detergent? From this old soldier's perspective, I gain nothing from putting a liquid in my mortar rounds unless that stuff will do bad things to the enemy." The discoveries Hanson describes are not dramatic. And that's the problem: Finding real stockpiles in grubby ammo dumps doesn't fit the image the media and the president's critics carefully have fed to the public of what Iraq's weapons ought to look like. A senior administration official who has gone through the intelligence reporting from Iraq as well as the earlier reports from U.N. arms inspectors refers to another well-documented allegation. "The Iraqis admitted they had made 3.9 tons of VX," a powerful nerve gas, but claimed they had never weaponized it. The U.N. inspectors "felt they had more. But where did it go?" The Iraqis never provided any explanation of what had happened to their VX stockpiles. What does 3.9 tons of VX look like? "It could fit in one large garage," the official says. Assuming, of course, that Saddam would assemble every bit of VX gas his scientists had produced at a single site, that still amounts to one large garage in an area the size of the state of California. Senior administration officials stress that the investigation will continue as inspectors comb through millions of pages of documents in Iraq and attempt to interview Iraqi weapons scientists who have been trained all their professional lives to conceal their activities from the outside world. "The conditions under which the ISG is working are not very conducive," one official said. "But this president wants the truth to come out. This is not an exercise in spinning or censoring."


Name:   gee it's ok to attack the prez
To:   heaven forbid we offend kerry

In response to:
I am bored with filling up this forum with article after article listing Kerry's flip flops. All Kerry's flip-flops will be deleted

Message:
Because they're too numerous to mention...


Name:   Editor
To:   unpatriotic posters who demean the war wounds of our soldiers

Message:
As you know I supported Bush in the Iraq war, and I still do, even though I believe whoever failed to make an exit plan that takes into consideration the uprisings we have now is a fool. But that does not mean I see Kerry as an alternative. I do not.

At the same time I cannot allow the awful abuse and overloading of articles, images and trash against Kerry that has been downloaded on this forum. Please find another place to do this. I have provided you a special trash forum for this purpose, but I recommend the Free Republic Forum if you do not want to use the special forum I have provided.

Do you think you are going to get anyone to vote for Bush because Kerry threw his medals over the fence? No, you are not. You are only reminding people that Bush is not a decorated veteran and has no purple hearts to throw anywhere. It is disgraceful and unpatriotic to impugn the medals that Kerry earned. Who do you think you are helping? Are you helping our brave soldiers in Iraq who are risking their lives for us? If you think you are helping them please let me know how.

It is disgraceful and unpatriotic to attempt to minimize the war wounds of our brave soldiers who risk their lives for us. Our guys in Iraq are getting horrible wounds ever day, some of which they may never recover. How dare you try to minimize this?

How do you think they feel that if they ever try to run for political office you will examine their wounds and try to minimize them? People who try to minimize the war wounds of our soldiers should be brought to justice for treason. If you can't honor the wounds our troops receive go back to the Free Republic Forum where they will say or do anything to win this election. They have no shame. They don't care about our troops's wounds. They just care about trashing Democrats by any means.

My son-in-law is a pilot flying a plane to Baghdad almost every day. Once having landed in Baghdad he gets into a helicopter and delivers something somewhere, while being shot at all the way. He is the father of my three wonderful grandsons, and the beloved husband of my sweet daughter. I love my son-in-law who is one of the best and the brightest. I hate to think that the garbage that come on to this forum would attempt to demean his sacrifice in any way.

So do not even think of demeaning the war wounds or the medals our brave soldiers get for risking their lives to protect us. DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!!


Name:   Aegis
To:   ET

Re:   Re: Kerry: I didn't choose this unqualified candidate. Too bad about you.
In response to:
Anybody unpatriotic idiot who thinks its a great idea to trash the military record, medals or war wounds of our decorated war heroes on the forum below will be deleted.

Message:
You can't palm Kerry off as anything but the shallow, selfish, devious FOP that he is no matter how tightly you try to manage the debate. His manifold shortcomings are just too obvious. His military record is damned sure subject to debate and review, just as George Bush's is. The stench that permeates the air around J.F. Kerry comes from deep within him, and it just won't wash out.


Name:   Freely Montageau
To:   Yeating Masses

Re:   Peter The Red is HOT!!!
In response to:
To make it one will take a combination of continued loss of life and intense media and political exploitation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
Kerry's selfishness is pissing off the Leftist media, and that is his only real base of support!


Name:   The Real Deal
Re:   It's the LYING about them ET
In response to:
Do you think you are going to get anyone to vote for Bush because Kerry threw his medals over the fence? No, you are not.

Message:
First he said it was ribbons...then he said it was someone else's medal's, then he said....


Name:   He was there in November
To:   ET

Re:   Treason
Message:
You mean like being part of an organization that planned to assassinate Senators?


Name:   Munchkin Orchestra
Re:   The Left rountinely disparages ALL persons and ALL things military!
In response to:
People who try to minimize the war wounds of our soldiers should be brought to justice for treason.

Message:
You'd better check out some of the high-traffic Leftwing web sites concerning Pat Tillman, et al, (who was fatally wounded) before you pursue this treason angle any further.

As for that great warrior, John Kohn Kerry, there is good reason to believe that John Kerry was very lightly wounded, if he was wounded at all.

We do know that he skedaddled out of Vietnam at the very first opportunity, and that he did so in such a way as to open himself to suspicion that he amplified and extended the severity of any wounds that he may have suffered in order to extricate himself from the war. He was also in a much better position to do that than most of the men serving in Vietnam. The vicious way that Kerry's campaign, Kerry himself, and the Left generally has attacked George Bush's military service (Yes, he did serve) make Kerry's rather peculiar service record fair game.


Name:   ET
To:   The Real Deal

In response to:
First he said it was ribbons...then he said it was someone else's medal's, then he said....

Message:
I know Kerry is weak. He's finished. But I can't have the right-wingers beating his dead body all over this forum.

There are other issues to discuss.

New stuff on Kerry is OK, but the same old war medal stuff and his wounds is a useless waste of bandwidth if it's done over and over again. The flip-flopping, if it's new could pass, but not the same ole-same-ole. The last few days the forum was flooded with anti-Kerry stuff.

It may be fun for you but it's boring for me.


Name:   ET
To:   Munchkin Orchestra

In response to:
As for that great warrior, John Kohn Kerry, there is good reason to believe that John Kerry was very lightly wounded, if he was wounded at all.

Message:
You still don't get it do you? However mild Kerry's wounds were, Bush got NONE. That's why you anger me when you try to diminish Kerry's war wounds.

Don't compare somebody who risked his life for us with somebody who got a poor grade in his questionable National Guard service.

Why do you keep insisting that somebody who did not risk his life for us, and did not even have an exemplary record in his National Guard service, is better than somebody who went to war and risked his life for us, even if he got zero purple hearts and no wounds?

WHY? WHY? WHY? - You have so many other weapons to use, why use those that point back into your face. It seems very stupid to me and I can't understand why it does not seem stupid and unpatriotic to you?


Name:   ET
To:   The Real Deal

In response to:
First he said it was ribbons...then he said it was someone else's medal's, then he said....

Message:
You don't get it. Kerry has purple hearts and ribbons he can lie about. Bush doesn't have any purple hearts or ribbons to lie about.


Name:   Aegis
To:   ET

Re:   Kerry is fine for Bordertex, but America deserves better.
In response to:
I know Kerry is weak. He's finished. But I can't have the right-wingers beating his dead body all over this forum

Message:
Why not? Perhaps it could lead to the DNC fatcats repudiating him and putting forward a qualified slate. The Veep is yet to be annointed, and Kerry is not officially nominated, for that matter.

It seems to me that the press nominated Kerry, and they are choking on him now. I'm quite serious about Clinton/Pelosi or Clinton/McCain. If you want a real ticket, try Joe Lieberman for president paired with a GENUINELY MODERATE Democrat for VP.


Name:   Aegis
To:   ET

In response to:
Don't compare somebody who risked his life for us...

Message:
Bush did exactly that.


Name:   Munchkin Orchestra
To:   ET

Re:   Kerry The Great
In response to:
WHY? WHY? WHY? - You have so many other weapons to use, why use those that point back into your face. It seems very stupid to me and I can't understand why it does not seem stupid and unpatriotic to you?

Message:
Kerry's war wounds are an issue because he has made them an issue, and because he took advantage of these wounds to escape Vietnam after mere weeks of duty, with not a little of that spent well offshore for "safekeeping".

No one, not even Kerry himself, argues that he was ever seriously wounded. He was never evacuated nor was he hospitalized. Many men WERE seriously wounded, were hospitalized, and recovered and went back into the jungle to fight again.


Name:   Aegis
To:   ET

In response to:
Wounds?

Message:
Kerry left Vietnam whole and fit.


Name:   Aegis
To:   ET

Re:   Kerry
In response to:
You don't get it. Kerry has purple hearts and ribbons he can lie about. Bush doesn't have any purple hearts or ribbons to lie about. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
And LIE Kerry has, and LIE he still does!

What LIES has Bush circulated about his military service?


Name:   Lem Siddons
To:   ET

Re:   Kerry
In response to:
Why do you keep insisting that somebody who did not risk his life for us, and did not even have an exemplary record in his National Guard service, is better than somebody who went to war and risked his life for us, even if he got zero purple hearts and no wounds?

Message:
Bush IS better than Kerry, and that's a fact. Hell, BILL CLINTON is better than Kerry, and he damned sure never exposed his big white ass to any risk whatsoever!


Name:   Babies Suck
Message:


Name:   Babies are noisy!
Message:


Name:   The American People
In response to:
I am bored with filling up this forum with article after article listing Kerry's flip flops. All Kerry's flip-flops will be deleted

Message:
This is Left Wing Totalitarianism at its worst. MY GOD! Kerry is running for president and the Editor is banning any mention of Kerry's flip flops. No, she is not claiming the flip flops are not real. Oh no. She is merely doing her best to put forth Democrat propaganda. This the usual way Left Wing extremists do elections. This is the way most communist leaders get “elected”


Name:   Right Winger
To:   ET

In response to:
You don't get it. Kerry has purple hearts and ribbons he can lie about. Bush doesn't have any purple hearts or ribbons to lie about.

Message:
Kerry lied to get those medals.
The men he was with say that there was no combat to speak of. Kerry's wounds were self-inflicted scratches in two cases. He knew and spoke of the rule that allowed you to get out of Vietnam if you got three purple hearts, so he took it upon himself to do just that.


So now we have a guy, who throws away someone else's medals,
drives someone else's SUV,
marries someone else's wife,
flies in someone else's gas-guzzling jet,
inherits someone else's fortune...
well, maybe someday he can be President of someone else's country.


Name:   The American People
Re:   A sad day on the Hillary forum
In response to:
You don't get it. Kerry has purple hearts and ribbons he can lie about. Bush doesn't have any purple hearts or ribbons to lie about.

Message:
Kerry may also be the only person to ever receive 3 purple hearts without missing one day of service. Most purple hearts are awarded in the hospital. None of Kerry's purple hearts required him to visit a hospital. You got one thing right, Kerry lies. The facts seem to show Kerry lied to get the purple hearts and now he continues to lie. Kerry lied to get purple hearts so he could get sent home and let other people fight in his place. After he returned home he brutally attacked his fellow soldiers with lies because he though it would help his political career. Kerry is toast and no amount of Left Wing extremist censorship will change this fact.

Clearly democrats don't mind having a serial liar run for president (again), just as long as the liar is a Democrat.


Name:   The American People
To:   ET

In response to:
New stuff on Kerry is OK, but the same old war medal stuff and his wounds is a useless waste of bandwidth if it's done over and over again. The flip-flopping, if it's new could pass, but not the same ole-same-ole. The last few days the forum was flooded with anti-Kerry stuff.

Message:
The most resent lie by Kerry related to Vietnam came YESTERDAY. Kerry told the lie yesterday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are trying to put forth Democrat propaganda.

Kerry is making his Vietnam experience the CENTER of his candidacy but like you he is claiming nobody can mention the lies that are the CENTER of his Vietnam experience.


Name:   Heshie Goldberger
In response to:
Again, this January, Danish forces found 120-millimeter mortar shells filled with a mysterious liquid that initially tested positive for blister agents. But subsequent tests by the United States disputed that finding. "If it wasn't a chemical agent, what was it?" Hanson asks. "More pesticides? Dish-washing detergent? From this old soldier's perspective, I gain nothing from putting a liquid in my mortar rounds unless that stuff will do bad things to the enemy."

Message:
Perhaps that's where the DNC keeps the Koolaide.


Name:   Bystander
To:   ET

In response to:
How do you think they feel that if they ever try to run for political office you will examine their wounds and try to minimize them? People who try to minimize the war wounds of our soldiers should be brought to justice for treason

Message:
I will do you one better. It does not look like Kerry has any wounds. Kerry is a liar and you are trying to protect him with left wing extremist censorship.


Name:   The American People
To:   ET

In response to:
My son-in-law is a pilot flying a plane to Baghdad almost every day. Once having landed in Baghdad he gets into a helicopter and delivers something somewhere, while being shot at all the way. He is the father of my three wonderful grandsons, and the beloved husband of my sweet daughter. I love my son-in-law who is one of the best and the brightest. I hate to think that the garbage that come on to this forum would attempt to demean his sacrifice in any way.

Message:
ET, it should really piss you off that John Kerry lied around his fellow soldiers committing atrocities to further his political career. Would you like it if Kerry was serving in this war and he lied to get sent home early and when he got home his accused your son-in-law of raping and murdering civilians, killing babies, and cutting off ears as souvenirs??

Your anger is partisanly misplace. You should be mad as hell at John F'n Kerry.


Name:   Biff
To:   The American People

In response to:
Kerry may also be the only person to ever receive 3 purple hearts without missing one day of service. Most purple hearts are awarded in the hospital. None of Kerry's purple hearts required him to visit a hospital. You got one thing right, Kerry lies. The facts seem to show Kerry lied to get the purple hearts and now he continues to lie. Kerry lied to get purple hearts so he could get sent home and let other people fight in his place. After he returned home he brutally attacked his fellow soldiers with lies because he though it would help his political career. Kerry is toast and no amount of Le ...

Message:
And screw you Bush Lover! You are a f-u-c-k-.ing idiot! Bush has screwed up this country and the world royally with blunder after blunder, and yet idiots like you put blinders on and keep supporting this madman! He belongs in jail doing hard time for war crimes, not in the White House! But the typical average American is apparently as thick as a 2 x 4 cuz his approval rating is growing when it should be plummeting! When you get another 4 years of money in chief, and the environment is irreparably annihilated and it is 100 degrees in Antarctica and every last country in the world is smoldering in the ashes of Bush's wars, when Jesus Christ himself comes down from heaven and beats you over the head and tells you to come to your senses, you will still support this madman! You will reap the disaster you sow. Good luck!!!


Name:   Ex Dean Suporter
To:   ALL

Message:
We need to exercise our sovernty more often. Our minds should be considered "no-fly-zones". Our lives should not be considered as assets, to be reaped by corporations who care little about quality of life, and instead likes to reap the souls of the many.

The human is definately a strange being. I bet Aliens know about us but are keeping their distance, thanks to the governments that exist on earth.

We are definately a "work of art".


Name:   Cowboys of The Rightwing Plains
To:   Tinky Winky Pissant

Re:   Here come De Lawd, and boy is He mad!!
In response to:
in the ashes of Bush's wars, when Jesus Christ himself comes down from heaven and beats you over the head and tells you to come to your senses, you will still support this madman! You will reap the disaster you sow. Good luck!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
You thutch funny!


Name:   The American People
To:   Biff

In response to:
And screw you Bush Lover! You are a f-u-c-k-.ing idiot!

Message:
Are Left Wing Extremist stupid? You be the judge. I did not mention the Bush in my statement about Kerry. Funny, Kerry himself attacks Bush whenever he is asked about his record or his latest lie.

Bush has screwed up this country and the world royally with blunder after blunder, and yet idiots like you put blinders on and keep supporting this madman!

Yeah, like 20 year record high economic growth. Libya surrendering their WMD without an direct interaction because they realize we are not longer the Clinton era "paper tiger". Bush is a "madman" if you are a Democrat trying to get elected. How about the election of 2002 when the Democrats said they were going to "win big" (teehee)

and the environment is irreparably annihilated and it is 100 degrees in Antarctica

Clearly you are a hysterical idiot.

when Jesus Christ himself comes down from heaven and beats you over the head and tells you to come to your senses, you will still support this madman

This idiot Democrat is now claiming Jesus Christ supports Kerry? And they wonder why the Democrat party is on such a long losing streak.


Name:   Biff
To:   Cowboys of The Rightwing Plains

In response to:
You thutch funny

Message:
When the earth is ravaged and the animals are dying, a new tribe of people shall come unto the earth from many colors, classes, creeds, and who by their actions and deeds shall make the earth green again. They will be known as the warriors of the Rainbow . VOTE KERRY


Name:   The American People
To:   Ex Dean Suporter

Re:   Kerry makes Dean look sane
In response to:
We need to exercise our sovernty more often. Our minds should be considered "no-fly-zones". Our lives should not be considered as assets, to be reaped by corporations who care little about quality of life, and instead likes to reap the souls of the many.

Message:
Oh won't it be nice if it was all that simple.


Name:   Concerned Individual
To:   Anyone

In response to:
Horror!

Message:
Can't anyone help? Can't anyone get that horrid botoxed catamount off of that poor old Donkey's back??


Name:   Jim
Message:
There is factual errors contained in the Bible? Dial-A-Gay-Atheist 713-880-4242


Name:   Cowboys of The Rightwing Plains*
To:   Merci Moo

Re:   * Much of Missouri, too!
In response to:
When the earth is ravaged and the animals are dying, a new tribe of people shall come unto the earth from many colors, classes, creeds, and who by their actions and deeds shall make the earth green again. They will be known as the warriors of the Rainbow . VOTE KERRY --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
Shet up, MOO!


Name:   Nostradamnus
To:   All

Re:   Moo in full, uuluating bellow...
In response to:
and the environment is irreparably annihilated and it is 100 degrees in Antarctica

Message:
That's Merci Moo's stuff, not mine. She may say she got it from me, but it's hers alone!


Name:   Jim
In response to:
Are Left Wing Extremist stupid? You be the judge. I did not mention the Bush in my statement about Kerry. Funny, Kerry himself attacks Bush whenever he is asked about his record or his latest lie. Bush has screwed up this country and the world royally with blunder after blunder, and yet idiots like you put blinders on and keep supporting this madman! Yeah, like 20 year record high economic growth. Libya surrendering their WMD without an direct interaction because they realize we are not longer the Clinton era "paper tiger". Bush is a "madman" if you are a Democrat trying to get elected ...

Message:
Pat Robertson , George Bush and the other anti-homosexual rightwing extremists have already launc hed campaigns to silence us and to see us stripped of all our inalienable rights. They don't want our light to shine for justice, for ourselves or for anyone else. In fact, they are working day and night to snuff it out. Bush has denied our community the very rights he will swear to provide and protect on Inauguration Day; and, in some cases, because of what he has done or left undone, we continue to be second-class-citizens in our own country.So don't tell us anything about Kerry when Bush is the Big Flop Failer!We endure racism, sexism, poverty, or discrimination and intolerance in every form. Thank to Bush and John AshKroft. I'll pray for the president that he might have the wisdom and the coura ge to work for justice during his second term, not just for s and gays, but for all people who suffer second-class-citizenship.


Name:   Scotty
To:   Jim

Re:    A Vote for John F. Kerry
Message:
Just hang in because help is on it's way in november.


Name:   Dagwood
To:   Scotty

In response to:
Just hang in because help is on it's way in november

Message:
Im touched.


Name:   Forum Fan
To:   Forum

Re:    Go Hillary
Message:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040427.shtml

Hillary's back!

by Thomas Sowell April 27, 2004

A huge headline on the front of a recent issue of the New York Times Magazine said more than they intended: "Now Are We Ready to Talk About Health Care?" Inside was an article with the same title by Hillary Clinton.

The casual arrogance of that question is staggering. We talked endlessly about Hillary's proposed government-run medical system a decade ago and decided against it for many reasons. Now this re-run of the same issues proceeds as if the question is whether the rest of us are "ready" to talk about such things.

Senator Clinton parades the usual litany of reasons why the government should run the medical system, beginning with "soaring health costs and millions of uninsured." But, not only does she offer nothing that will actually reduce those costs, she declares that "our mental health delivery system is underfinanced."

In other words, she wants to spend more money on shrinks. Can you imagine what will happen to costs if unverifiable diseases and unverifiable cures provide blank checks to be paid by the taxpayers?

"Universal health care" is a lovely phrase with political resonance in some quarters. But what does it mean concretely?

First of all, since people differ in what they want, nothing can be "universal" without being mandatory. In other words, we are talking about forcing people to belong to whatever program the politicians and bureaucrats come up with, regardless of what the people themselves might prefer.

As for health, it is the end result of many things -- diet, exercise, genetics, lifestyle -- most of which are beyond the scope of government. What the government can control -- doctors, hospitals, medicines -- are only part of the equation.

What the lovely phrase "universal health care" boils down to is politicians and bureaucrats forcing people to get their medical treatment and pharmaceutical drugs the way the politicians and bureaucrats decide.

Somehow, the notion seems to be insinuated that the government can do it cheaper and better. But name three things that the government does cheaper and better than private individuals and organizations. It would be no trick at all to name dozens of things that the government does worse and at higher costs.

How is it going to be cheaper to manage hospitals, doctors and pharmaceutical drugs, when it is going to take an army of bureaucrats and tons of red tape to do it? Economists say that there is no free lunch. There is no free red tape either.

Whatever charming visions may be conjured up by political rhetoric, what matters are the hard realities of government-run medical systems. Such systems have existed in many countries around the world. Why not look at what happens in those countries?

How many of those who gush about "universal health care" know that the countries which have it also have waiting times to get treated that are several times as long as people in America wait to see a specialist or get an operation? Waiting not only means longer suffering, it can also mean that a treatable disease can become untreatable -- or even fatal -- because of the delay.

Britain has had a government-run medical system for about half a century, so it might be a good source of facts -- for those who are interested in facts, instead of political rhetoric.

A feature article in London's Daily Mail referred to "our filthy hospitals." The distinguished British magazine The Economist likewise commented on how dirty these hospitals are.

Why? Because British hospitals are so tied up in government rules and union contracts that a nurse has no authority to order the janitorial staff to mop the floor after a patient has vomited. If the nurse wants that floor mopped any time soon, she has to stop taking care of patients and go find a mop to clean it up herself.

Working for a government-run medical system is apparently not all that attractive to Britons who might go into the medical profession. Many of the doctors in Britain are from Third World countries whose medical schools are often substandard.

These are just some of the problems that go with government-run medical systems, whether in Britain or in other countries around the world. But what are mere facts compared to a lovely phrase like "universal health care"?


Name:   CB TRUCKER
Re:   God watch over you all
Message:
This was an e-mail sent to us by a listener. We checked into it with the help of sources like www.snopes.com, and www.urbanlegends.com. And today the owner of www.truthorfiction.com contacts us and let us know that he too found the e-mail to be accurate!

From the Commanding Officer at MWSS-171 to his Marines

Marines and Sailors,

As we approach the end of the year I think it is important to share a few thoughts about what you've accomplished directly, in some cases, and indirectly in many others. I am speaking about what the Bush Administration and each of you has contributed by wearing the uniform, because the fact that you wear the uniform contributes100% to the capability of the nation to send a few onto the field to execute national policy. As you read about these achievements you are a part of I would call your attention to two things:

1. This is good news that hasn't been fit to print or report on TV.

2. It is much easier to point out the errors a man makes when he makes the tough decisions, rarely is the positive as aggressively pursued.

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...

.. the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty.

.. over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

.. nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

.. the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

.. on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518 megawatts-exceeding the prewar average.

.. all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

.. by October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than scheduled.

.. teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

.. all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

.. doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam.

.. pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.

.. the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations to Iraq's children.

.. a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

.. we have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production.

.. there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect 50,000 by year-end.

.. the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns.

.. 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily.

.. Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

.. the central bank is fully independent.

.. Iraq has one of the worlds most growth-oriented investment and banking laws.

.. Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.

.. satellite TV dishes are legal.

.. foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and other government spies.

.. there is no Ministry of Information.

.. there are more than 170 newspapers.

.. you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

.. foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

.. a nation that had not one single element - legislative, judicial or executive - of a representative government, now does.

.. in Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils.

..Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its new chairman.

.. today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

.. 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government.

.. the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events.

..since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit.

..the Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

.. Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

.. for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

.. the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

.. Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.

.. children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government.

.. political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

.. millions of long suffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

.. Saudis will hold municipal elections.

.. Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.

.. Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

.. the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian -- a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy and for peace.

.. Saddam is gone.

.. Iraq is free.

President Bush has not faltered or failed.

Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the Press corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's important. Iraq under US lead control has come further in six months than Germany did in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military deaths from fanatic Nazi's, and Japanese numbered in the thousands and continued for over three years after WWII victory was declared.

..it took the US over four months to clear away the twin tower debris, let alone attempt to build something else in its place.

..now, take into account that Congress fought President Bush on every aspect of his handling of this country's war and the post-war reconstruction; and that they continue to claim on a daily basis on national TV that this conflict has been a failure.

Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our brothers and sisters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in the world could have accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush administration in so short a period of time? These are things worth writing about. Get the word out. Write to someone you think may be able to influence our Congress or the press to tell the story.

Above all, be proud that you are a part of this historical precedent.

God Bless you all. Have a great Holiday.

Semper Fidelis, CO


Name:   Sir Scotty
To:    Boy James

Message:
James I understand and President Bush (You) promised us a powerful campaign to find a cure for HIV/AIDS and to mobilize federal resources to help end the suffering. Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and other religious extremists launched another bloody furious misinformation campaign against us. It nothing new. They used the same kind of false and inflammatory rhetoric to oppose granting equal rig hts to women and people of color. Misquoting a handful of biblical texts to support their intolerance. They flexed. You flinched President Bush. We understand. Weve been "victims" of their media blitzkriegs before. In order to govern the nation, you thought it best to pull back from your commitments. You didnt propose a bloody legislation to preserve, pro tect, or defend our rights. Thank Mr. President! At this moment religious extremists are launching new campaig ns to end our right to child custody, care, and adoption. They are working on dozens of homophobic initiatives, determined to restore and enforce the sodomy laws. The extremists want to burn our books, c ensor our art and media, prohibit our public gatherings,Stop us from being boy scout masters, close our community centers and churches, and ban our AIDS education programs. In the name o [f] God, they are calling for Americans to end our rights and eliminate our influence altogether. The most fanatic are calling for our quarantine a nd even for our death. Dr. King once said, "Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will."


Name:   Mugg Shots
To:   LOF

Message:
LOF still sucks! Wer ye be?


Name:   ...
Message:
check out CNN! Allah has his hands full!


Name:   Perry
To:   Forum

Re:   THE YEAR 1904
Message:
THE YEAR 1904

Where we were a century ago. The year was 1904, one hundred years ago ... what a difference a century makes.

The average life expectancy in the US was 47.

Only 14% of the homes in the US had a BATHTUB.

Only 8% of the homes had a TELEPHONE.

A three-minute call from Denver to New York City cost $11.

There were only 8,000 CARS in the US and only 144 miles of paved ROADS.

The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.

Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were each more heavily populated than California. With a mere 1.4 million residents, California was only the 21st most populous state in the Union.

The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower.

The average wage in the US was $0.22/hour.

The average US worker made between $200-$400/year.

A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000/year, a dentist $2,500/year, a veterinarian between $1,500-$4,000/year, and a mechanical engineer about $5,000/year.

More than 95% of all BIRTHS in the US took place at HOME.

90% of all US physicians had NO COLLEGE education. Instead, they attended medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and by the government as "substandard."

Sugar cost $0.04/pound. Eggs were $0.14/dozen. Coffee cost $0.15/pound.

Most women only washed their HAIR once a month and used BORAX or EGG YOLKS for shampoo.

Canada passed a law prohibiting POOR people from entering the country for any reason.

The five leading causes of death in the US were:

1. Pneumonia & influenza

2. Tuberculosis 3. Diarrhea 4. Heart disease

5. Stroke

The American flag had 45 stars. Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii and Alaska hadn't been admitted to the Union yet.

The population of Las Vegas, Nevada was 30.

Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented. There were no Mother's Day or Father's Day. One in ten US adults couldn't read or write. Only 6% of all Americans had graduated from HIGH SCHOOL.

Coca Cola contained cocaine.

Marijuana, heroin and morphine were all available over the counter at corner drugstores. According to one pharmacist, "Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and the bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health."

18% of households in the US had at least one full-time SERVANT or domestic.

There were only about 230 reported MURDERS in the entire US.

Just think what it will be like in another 100 years.


Name:   Jim
To:   forum

In response to:
At this moment religious extremists are launching new campaig ns to end our right to child custody, care, and adoption. They are working on dozens of homophobic initiatives, determined to restore and enforce the sodomy laws. The extremists want to burn our books, c ensor our art and media, prohibit our public gatherings,Stop us from being boy scout masters, close our community centers and churches, and ban our AIDS education programs.

Message:
Political involvement by rightwing churches is harmful to basic freedoms and civil rights , particularly gays , Blacks and other victums. The strongest opposition to equality of rights comes from the Republicans , churches and the Christian scriptures. Many ministers bastardize the non-profit status accorded them under the rules of the Internal Revenue Service by directly instructing their congregations for whom to vote and how to vote on key issues, such as abortion rights, women's rights, and rights for gays and s. During this political season, We should be carefully monitoring the antics of the so-called Religious Right and the support of their candidates by churches. If the churches will not abide by the law which prohibits them from endorsing candidates, instructing their congregants for whom to vote, or funding political campaigns, I hope that my efforts to encourage the american people and IRS to look into these matters by giving them documentation on this obvious abuse and illegal activity will help prove to the churches, once and for all, they should get out of the political game, or lose their tax exemption.


Name:   Why John Kerry will never be president
Message:
The Village Voice
Mondo Washington
by James Ridgeway

John Kerry Must Go
Note to Democrats: it's not too late to draft someone—anyone—else

April 27th, 2004 11:45 AM

WASHINGTON, D.C.— With the air gushing out of John Kerry's balloon, it may be only a matter of time until political insiders in Washington face the dread reality that the junior senator from Massachusetts doesn't have what it takes to win and has got to go. As arrogant and out of it as the Democratic political establishment is, even these pols know the party's got to have someone to run against George Bush. They can't exactly expect the president to self-destruct into thin air.

With growing issues over his wealth (which makes fellow plutocrat Bush seem a charity case by comparison), the miasma over his medals and ribbons (or ribbons and medals), his uninspiring record in the Senate (yes war, no war), and wishy-washy efforts to mimic Bill Clinton's triangulation gimmickry (the protractor factor), Kerry sinks day by day. The pros all know that the candidate who starts each morning by having to explain himself is a goner. What to do? Look for the Dem biggies, whoever they are these days, to sit down with the rich and arrogant presumptive nominee and try to persuade him to take a hike. Then they can return to business as usual—resurrecting John Edwards, who is still hanging around, or staging an open convention in Boston, or both. If things proceed as they are, the dim-bulb Dem leaders are going to be very sorry they screwed Howard Dean.


Name:   Free Republican
To:   Hillycare

In response to:
First of all, since people differ in what they want, nothing can be "universal" without being mandatory. In other words, we are talking about forcing people to belong to whatever program the politicians and bureaucrats come up with, regardless of what the people themselves might prefer.

Message:
Hillary calls herself 'pro-choice'. Of course she lies like Arkansas fog.

Come to think of it-the dems should nominate Saddam Hussein as vice prez. hill says that Iraqi wimmens under Saddam had more rights-at least on paper-than here in America because the evangeligal Bues are at war with wimmins and the middle class.

Poodle-catsup boy-Are you listening?

The leftists around here and do the Twana Brawley thing for the victimhood and the editor in her victin obsession plays the Al Sharpton role. Everyone knows it.


Name:   ET
To:   American

In response to:
This is Left Wing Totalitarianism at its worst. MY GOD! Kerry is running for president and the Editor is banning any mention of Kerry's flip flops. No, she is not claiming the flip flops are not real. Oh no. She is merely doing her best to put forth Democrat propaganda. This the usual way Left Wing extremists do elections. This is the way most communist leaders get “elected”

Message:
Don't try and insult me with your crap. You have been on this forum almost every day these last few weeks and YOU KNOW I have let the anti-kerry slams remain on the forums. They are still there. But yesterday was just too much. You know it was too much.

This is my forum and I would like to discuss other issues and not be reading post after post after post of anti-Kerry articles, images and posts that ALL are saying the SAME THING:

1. Kerry threw his medals over the fence.

I have been reading this same thing every day all day for weeks. I'm bored. Haven't you got anything else to post?

2. Kerry does not have war wounds.

I have been reading this same thing every day all day for weeks. I'm bored. Haven't you got anything else to post?

3. Kerry flip-flops

I have been reading this same thing every day all day for weeks. I'm bored. Haven't you got anything else to post?

Enough is enough, and if you feel you need to insult me as "putting forth the Democratic propaganda" you must be blind and very stupid. How can you be on this forum week after week and not know that I supported George Bush in this war, and I still do????

Then you insult me even further by calling me a "communist" because I run a a free and open forum when YOUR SIDE DOES NOT!!!! When did the communists run free and open anything???? Come on. You can't be that uneducated that you don't know about the communists. You can't be that stupid that you can't appreciate that Republicans don't have free and open anonymous forums. How dare you insult this free and open anonymous forum just because you overdid it yesterday.

Of course you are too partisan to notice that I also deleted ALL Bordertex's insulting posts. No, of course you wouldn't notice that. You are blinded by partisanship.

You can't honor that can you? No all you can do is SMEAR while enjoying this forum.

Have you no integrity at all -- even a tiny little bit?


Name:   Sad
In response to:
Political involvement by rightwing churches is harmful to basic freedoms and civil rights , particularly gays , Blacks and other victums. The strongest opposition to equality of rights comes from the Republicans , churches and the Christian scriptures.

Message:
I guess ET was right. The hate only comes from the right.


Name:   back at you
To:   American

In response to:
This is Left Wing Totalitarianism at its worst. MY GOD! Kerry is running for president and the Editor is banning any mention of Kerry's flip flops. No, she is not claiming the flip flops are not real. Oh no. She is merely doing her best to put forth Democrat propaganda. This the usual way Left Wing extremists do elections. This is the way most communist leaders get “elected”

Message:
Don't try and insult me with your crap. You have been on this forum almost every day these last few weeks and YOU KNOW I have let the anti-kerry slams remain on the forums. They are still there. But yesterday was just too much. You know it was too much.

This is my forum and I would like to discuss other issues and not be reading post after post after post of anti-Kerry articles, images and posts that ALL are saying the SAME THING:

1. Kerry threw his medals over the fence.

I have been reading this same thing every day all day for weeks. I'm bored. Haven't you got anything else to post?

2. Kerry does not have war wounds.

I have been reading this same thing every day all day for weeks. I'm bored. Haven't you got anything else to post?

3. Kerry flip-flops

I have been reading this same thing every day all day for weeks. I'm bored. Haven't you got anything else to post?

Enough is enough, and if you feel you need to insult me as "putting forth the Democratic propaganda" you must be blind and very stupid. How can you be on this forum week after week and not know that I supported George Bush in this war, and I still do????

Then you insult me even further by calling me a "communist" because I run a a free and open forum when YOUR SIDE DOES NOT!!!! When did the communists run free and open anything???? Come on. You can't be that uneducated that you don't know about the communists. You can't be that stupid that you can't appreciate that Republicans don't have free and open anonymous forums. How dare you insult this free and open anonymous forum just because you overdid it yesterday.

Of course you are too partisan to notice that I also deleted ALL Bordertex's insulting posts. No, of course you wouldn't notice that. You are blinded by partisanship.

You can't honor that can you? No all you can do is SMEAR while enjoying this forum.

Have you no integrity at all -- even a tiny little bit?

EDITOR


Name:   Editor
In response to:
I guess ET was right. The hate only comes from the right.

Message:
Don't give me this crap. I deleted Bordertex's posts as well.

But you are too blinded by partisan hatred for anything on the left to notice.


Name:   The American People
To:   ET

In response to:
Kerry is running for president and the Editor is banning any mention of Kerry's flip flops. No, she is not claiming the flip flops are not real. Oh no.

Message:

Don't try and insult me with your crap. You have been on this forum almost every day these last few weeks and YOU KNOW I have let the anti-kerry slams remain on the forums. They are still there. But yesterday was just too much. You know it was too much.

So what did you mean when you said "All Kerry's flip-flops will be deleted if you place them on the forum below."


Name:   The American People
To:   ET

In response to:
I have been reading this same thing every day all day for weeks. I'm bored. Haven't you got anything else to post?

Message:
It is rather strange, you never said this about the bogus claims of Bush being AWOL or Bush stealing the election or Bush using drugs or Bush paying for an abortion or Bush insider trader yet that crap has dominated this forum for about four years.

Proverb: he that supports sleaze or turns a blind eye to sleaze directed toward the opposition, will reap sleaze.


Name:   The American People
To:   ET

In response to:
Then you insult me even further by calling me a "communist"

Message:
I did not call you a communist. I guess the shoe looked like it fit so well you decided to try it on. I said communist leaders are elected via propaganda and censorship.


Name:   John Kerry
To:   ABC News

Message:
How dare you question me on my many inconsistancies! I am John Kerry! I am a US senator! I am a Democrat! You should be tearing down people like Pickering and Bush! You obviously didn't get the script!


Name:   Democrats in Free-Fall
Message:
If anyone still doubts the America-hating bent of the far left, this item is for you.

Something that calls itself Independent Media Center, which OpinionJournal.com's James Taranto calls "one of the most virulent Angry Left Web sites around," has hit rock bottom. Its branch in P.C.-crazed Portland, Ore., has a page devoted to the death in combat of Pat Tillman, which it summarizes as "Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan."

Among the comments posted by those "tolerant liberals":

• "Tillman chose to go to Afghanistan. He's partially reponsible for the deaths of hundreds, maybe thousands of Afghan civilians. No need to feel sorry for him, other than feeling bad that he was brainwashed into serving as a grunt."

• "it's amazing the kind of attention this insignificant incident is going to cause. well, he was rich, white, and an american. 10,000 (brown) iraqis get killed, and it barely merits a mention in the american news. how utterly f---ing sad."

• "if he 'sacrificed' anything it was his common sense. He had a good American thing going and blew it." Are these the same leftists who ridiculed war hero Bob Dole in favor of draft dodger Bill Clinton but say John Kerry's four-month stint in Vietnam was so great?

Taranto noted that a few posters dared to disagree with the party line. One wrote: "Brave American sacrifices friends, family and fortune in defense of his country. s on IndyMedia can now continue to exercise free speech, sacrifice nothing and spew hate."


Name:   I'm John Kerry
To:   Littleperson

Re:   I was in Vietnam.
In response to:
What to do? Look for the Dem biggies, whoever they are these days, to sit down with the rich and arrogant presumptive nominee and try to persuade him to take a hike

Message:
I'm John Kerry. (sort of) I don't fall down. I don't take hikes. I sail yachts. (127 ft and larger) That bastard, BUSH, is trying to trip me. Bush has ruined everything. The war is lost. The fat schoolchildren are starving. The poor are fat because there are no jobs under this Bush regime and the poorpeople aren't getting enough steak and so they are fat. Bush's tax cots for the waalthy will allow riffraff to obtain yachts over 127 ft. Over my dead body! I'm John Kerry. I'm poor as a church mouse, just a reg'lar guy, actually. I don't drive an SUV, I am driven in a cavalcade of SUVs. I'm John Kerry. I was in Vietnam, and I have come back in spite of my wounds to save the world from BUSH.


Name:   NEA
In response to:
The fat school children are starving.

Message:
Food stamps make them fat and I make them stupid. All the better to turn them into Democrats.


Name:   Rainman
To:   Editor

Re:   New Kerry bashing forums
In response to:
I have made a special forum where you can trash your unpatriotic little black hearts out.

Message:
Black hearts???? How horribly RACIST of you to say that. You should be ashamed!!!!


Name:   Checkers
To:   Not Cabs

Re:   http://www.kywonline.com/election/race1.htm
Message:
http://www.kywonline.com/election/race1.htm


Name:   DAVE
Message:
PA Primary US Senate

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Precincts Reporting: 2392 Of 9416 25%

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %

Arlen Specter Republican 55,678 53%

Pat Toomey Republican 49,430 47%


Name:   DAVE
To:   RACE IN PA

Message:
Precincts Reporting: 2846 Of 9416 30%

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %

Arlen Specter Republican 80,823 52%

Pat Toomey Republican 73,161 48%


Name:   David M. Davis
To:   Forum Republican Pennsylvanians

Re:   PA Primary US Senate
In response to:
LAST UPDATE: Apr-27-2004 10:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time

Message:
Precincts Reporting: 2980 Of 9416 32%

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %

Arlen Specter Republican 88,312 53%

Pat Toomey Republican 79,865 47%

Precincts Reporting: 3251 Of 9416 35%

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %

Arlen Specter Republican 137,666 59%

Pat Toomey Republican 97,360 41%

Precincts Reporting: 4035 Of 9416 43%

10:08 PM Eastern Daylight

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %

Arlen Specter Republican 141,627 52%

Pat Toomey Republican 132,074 48%

Precincts Reporting: 4798 Of 9416 51%

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %

10:18 PM

Arlen Specter Republican 285,055 60%

Pat Toomey Republican 187,437 40%


Name:   Editor
To:   Rainman

In response to:
Black hearts???? How horribly RACIST of you to say that. You should be ashamed!!!!

Message:
You're kidding, of course? Right? You are not telling me that anything black, like black clothes, black car, black soul, black holes is "racist" ???

Black people do not have a copyright on the word "black." When one refers to a black heart that means "without feelings." Without feelings is not racist. Blacks have feelings just like everyone else, and, some would say, have more than most.


Name:   PA Primary US Senate
To:    ET - Editor - Site Owner

Re:    Please Delete Results when Finnished
Message:
Precincts Reporting: 5136 Of 9416 55%

10:23 PM

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %

Arlen Specter Republican 302,913 59%

Pat Toomey Republican 207,176 41%

Precincts Reporting: 6070 Of 9416 64%

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %

Arlen Specter Republican 264,870 52%

Pat Toomey Republican 246,012 48%


Name:   PA Primary US Senate
In response to:
Pat Toomey Republican 207,176 41% Precincts Reporting: 6070 Of 9416 64% -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote % Arlen Specter Republican 264,870 52% Pat Toomey Republican 246,012 48%

Message:
This is one close race....


Name:   PA Primary US Senate
To:   Forum

Re:    Allentown Vote Kicked In for Toomey
In response to:
Arlen Specter Republican 264,870 52% Pat Toomey Republican 246,012 48%

Message:
Precincts Reporting: 6656 Of 9416 71%

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