Iraq Could Doom Bush

Iraq Could Doom Bush
By Dick Morris

President Bush had a narrow brush with disaster last week as the casualties mounted amid escalating Iraqi violence. The daily tracking polls of Scott Rasmussen show that 10 days ago Bush was three points ahead of Kerry. His attack ads had the Democrat reeling. Then, from April 3-7, Bush fell by nine points and ended his crash trailing Kerry by six.

Only Condoleezza Rice's testimony stopped the bleeding. By two to one, voters were favorably impressed by her testimony while they rated her antagonist Richard Clarke, negatively by 27 percent to 42 percent. So, by this past weekend Bush had again moved ahead of Kerry, this time by two points.

But it was a close call. The bloodshed in Iraq has left Americans unsure of Bush's leadership. Only 48 percent now believe we're winning the War on Terror, down six points from last week. More seriously, Bush's lead over Kerry on the question of who would do better at handling the War on Terror dropped from 54-36 to only 51-40. Almost half of Americans now give Bush a negative rating on handling Iraq.

Bush will be in real trouble if the situation in Iraq deteriorates. The reported boast of one anti-American demonstrator that he and his ilk "cannot drive America out of Iraq, but we can drive Bush out of the White House, like we did to Carter" is not far-fetched.

So what is Bush to do?

Procedurally, the June 30 deadline for handover of power to the Iraqi government looks like an essential element in the president's escape from political danger. But behind it must lie a humility and a realization of our limited means and the even more attenuated patience of the American people.

We were willing to support Bush in Afghanistan and over the Patriot Act. We backed the invasion of Iraq and agreed that Saddam needed to be removed. Even when no weapons of mass destruction turned up, the American people still supported Bush.

But last week's polling suggests that Americans are not prepared to sacrifice their sons and daughters to assure democracy in Iraq. That nation, which has never known freedom, may or may not be able to achieve democracy. But Americans are not willing to bet our children on the outcome. Nor should Bush wager his presidency.

As long as Saddam Hussein and his Ba'athist Party is out of power - and does not return - the United States will have accomplished its essential objective in Iraq. Saddam is an evil man. His villainy, coupled with his access to oil wealth, made him a potent threat to peace and freedom. He had to go.

To make sure he remains out of power, we must keep a large garrison, safely ensconced at a secure base, in Iraq once we hand over power to the Iraqi Governing Council.

But democracy may be a bridge too far in Iraq; even peace may be elusive. We must heed the lessons of Nixon's successful disengagement from Vietnam. As Nixon did, we must turn the war over to the locals, a process he called Vietnamization. But, this time, we must not let the Democrats in Congress tie our hands. We've got to retain the freedom, flexibility and logistical ability to intervene again if the forces of evil come back to power.

If Bush hangs on in Iraq, insisting on "nation building," he will leave public opinion behind. The resulting bitter alienation will cripple our ability to act against terror in other places, cost him the presidency and probably make future intervention in Iraq impossible.

Bush is leading America in a crucial crusade to rid the world of terrorism. He needs an energetic, committed and largely united nation behind him. He must not squander those priceless assets in a dead-end pursuit of an ideal Iraq. A Saddam-less one is enough for one administration to achieve and to be thankful for.

Dick Morris was an adviser to Bill Clinton for 20 years. Look for his book, Off With Their Heads: Traitors, Crooks, and Obstructionists in American Politics, Media and Business. @2004 Dick Morris E-mail Dick. See more columns by Dick Morris.

Name:	American
Re:	On being pushed around by murderous pissants

In response to:
Bush will be in real trouble if the situation in Iraq deteriorates. The reported boast of one anti-American demonstrator that he and his ilk "cannot drive America out of Iraq, but we can drive Bush out of the White House, like we did to Carter" is not far-fetched

Name:	American
To:	Adults
Re:	The War Against Murdering Fanatics Without Borders

In response to:
President Bush had a narrow brush with disaster last week as the casualties mounted amid escalating Iraqi violence. The daily tracking polls of Scott Rasmussen show that 10 days ago Bush was three points ahead of Kerry. His attack ads had the Democrat reeling. Then, from April 3-7, Bush fell by nine points and ended his crash trailing Kerry by six.

Name:	Mill Pond Chorus
Re:	Morris Toe Sucker Jamboree

In response to:
Morris was an adviser to Bill Clinton for 20 years. Look for his book, Off With Their Heads: Traitors, Crooks, and Obstructionists in American Politics, Media and Business.

Name:	DNC
To:	Privileged Insiders
Re:	Senator Joseph Lieberman

In response to:
Candidate?

Name:	John Kohn Kerry
To:	DNC
Re:	I was in Vietnam. Wanna see my Rosary?

In response to:
Irish?? Douay? Douay WHO?

Name:

BAD NEWS FOR DEMOCRATS

Message:
WASHINGTON – Fewer people signed up for jobless benefits last week, a sign that companies are feeling less inclined to slash their work forces now that the economy is rebounding.

Name:

MORE BAD NEWS FOR DEMOCRATS

Message:
Greenspan: Economy is Gathering Momentum

Name:

YET EVEN MORE BAD NEWS FOR DEMOCRATS

Message:
Leading Economic Index Edges Higher

Name:	ET
To:	Iraq War

Message:
Rummy was the one who planned this war. Great going in, but he forgot to have an exit strategy if things didn't go as planned. He was too optimistic. Bush is taking the hit for Rummy and his planners. But that what Presidents are for. The buck stops with the President, no matter who slips up on the job.

Name:	ET
To:	Iraq
Re:	Peace-Pacts

Message:
Rummy should have used my peace-pacts strategy immediately Saddam was ousted. Peace-pacts separates friend from foe. I saw right from the beginning that this was going to be the most important problem. It's too late to send it now. But I'm going to polish it up a little and send it off to use for other countries.

SEOUL, South Korea - As many as 3,000 people were killed or injured Thursday when two trains carrying oil and liquefied petroleum gas collided and exploded in a North Korean train station near the Chinese border, South Korean media reported.

The North Korean leader, Kim Jong Il, reportedly had passed through the station as he returned from China hours earlier, South Korea all-news cable channel, YTN, reported.

The number killed or injured could reach 3,000, YTN said, citing unidentified sources on the Chinese side of the border.

DUDE, WHERE'S YOUR WEBSITE: MICHAEL MOORE OUT-SOURCING DESIGN, SERVER TO CANADA!

Advocate Michael Moore may have released a book titled DUDE, WHERE'S MY COUNTRY?, and may have vaulted to stardom documenting worker's rights and corporate malfeasance in Flint, Michigan, but that has not stopped Moore from outsourcing his website design and servers -- to companies based in Canada!

Cannes-bound Moore, the great protector of the U.S. working class, has outsourced the design of his Web site to a foreign company in Canada, records show.

PLANK -- based in Montréal, Québec -- is the development and design company behind MichaelMoore.com.

Meanwhile, Moore's site is hosted by a foreign owned company, Webcore Labs, of Calgary, Alberta Canada. [Webcore does maintain an office in Beverly Hills, CA.]

Moore did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

Moore is to get star billing at this year's Cannes Film Festival with the controversial FAHRENHEIT 9/11.

Name:	You Didn't See This
To:	forum
Re:	I'd have to silence you if you saw this.

In response to:
Don't buy Kerry's book,"The New Soldier". He's trying to live it down after living it up for Hanoi and Jane Fonda and political power.

Message:
On January 31, 1971, members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) met in a Detroit hotel to document war crimes that they had participated in or witnessed during their combat tours in Vietnam. During the next three days, more than 100 Vietnam veterans and 16 civilians gave anguished, emotional testimony describing hundreds of atrocities against innocent civilians in South Vietnam, including rape, arson, torture, murder, and the shelling or napalming of entire villages. The witnesses stated that these acts were being committed casually and routinely, under orders, as a matter of policy. In April, the VVAW stormed Washington in a week-long protest. At the height of it, spokesman John Kerry went before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations to accuse the United States military of committing massive numbers of war crimes in Vietnam. The appearance launched Kerry's political career. The charges he made shocked and sickened a nation, changed the course of a war and stained the reputation of the American military for decades. But the mass murder of civilians was never American policy in Vietnam. War crimes were the exception, not the rule. And the Winter Soldier tribunal itself -- which John Kerry had helped moderate -- turned out to be, in the words of historian Guenter Lewy, "packed with pretenders and liars." Massachusetts elected John Kerry to the U.S. Senate in 1984. Now he is seeking the most powerful job in the world. ----------

WASHINGTON -- Longtime Washington Post columnist Mary McGrory, a leading liberal voice whose exquisite writing and no-nonsense commentary won her a Pulitzer Prize for her work during Watergate, has died after a long illness. She was 85.

A tireless reporter well into her 80s, McGrory -- who died late Wednesday at an area hospital -- was a revered and influential figure in journalism in a career spanning five decades, from the Joseph McCarthy hearings during the 1950s to the 2003 Iraq war.

"The most luminous writer and clearest thinker in the business," the Post quoted New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd as saying at a McGrory tribute several years ago.

"Mary was simply one of the best opinion columnists of her time," said Leonard Downie Jr., the Post's executive editor. "She wrote lyrically, and she never had difficulty expressing an opinion. But perhaps most impressive was Mary's reporting. She seemed to know everyone in politics, and in many other fields besides. And her columns always revealed something to readers that they never would have otherwise known."

Born Aug, 22, 1918, McGrory wrote about some of the world's most significant events, and her eloquent prose following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy endeared her to millions of readers.

"He brought gaiety, glamor and grace to the American political scene in a measure never known before," she wrote of Kennedy in an editorial for the now-defunct Washington Star. "That lightsome tread, that debonair touch, that shock of chestnut hair, that beguiling grin, that shattering understatement -- these are what we shall remember."

During the Watergate era, her work earned her a spot on President Nixon's "enemies list," alongside former Democratic presidential candidate and Sen. George McGovern, actress Jane Fonda and many others. She also won journalism's highest prize, the Pulitzer, for commentary in 1974, the year Nixon resigned.

Name:	C-SPAN
To:	Fetus
Re:	this oughta be good watchin

Message:

Pro Abortion March Could Bring Thousands

By Deborah Zabarenko

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Armies of demonstrators headed for Washington on Wednesday for a weekend march in favor of abortion rights and global reproductive freedom that organizers hope will counterbalance sharp anti-abortion rhetoric from the White House.

Organizers of the March for Women's Lives, set for Sunday on and around the National Mall, said on Wednesday they expect hundreds of thousands of participants from some 1,400 organizations and 53 countries.

A counter-demonstration by abortion opponents was scheduled for the same day at the mid-point of the women's march.

American feminists have stressed the non-partisan nature of the election-year event, but had harsh criticism for Bush administration policies that they see as going beyond opposition to abortion to limit women's access to family planning and sex education in the United States and the developing world.

"This march is non-partisan, it is not political in the sense of electoral (politics)," said Gloria Feldt, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, a march sponsor.

However, Feldt said the event aimed to "create a social climate in this country that is so supportive of reproductive rights and access to reproductive health care that it will simply be a matter of course that anyone in public office will be so as well."

Organizers hope for a bigger turnout on the Mall than a 1992 abortion rights march, which drew 500,000, according to the National Park Police, which no longer gives official crowd counts. The biggest demonstration was an anti-Vietnam War rally in 1969, which drew 600,000.

Planned Parenthood's Action Fund plans to endorse Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry at a separate event on Friday.

BUSH AND ABORTION

President Bush, a Republican, opposes abortion in most cases and has enacted two laws that have alarmed abortion rights advocates: a ban on a controversial procedure known to opponents as partial birth abortion, and a measure that makes it a separate federal crime to harm a pregnant woman's fetus. (more)

Name:	Bevis & Butthead
To:	Howard Dean Supporters
Re:	He said "rods"... Yeah... That was cool. hu, hu,... hu, hu

Message:
www.sfgate.com

Vermont nuclear plant searching for missing fuel rods
WILSON RING, Associated Press Writer

Two pieces of a highly radioactive fuel rod are missing from a Vermont nuclear plant, and engineers planned to search onsite for the nuclear material, officials said Wednesday.

The fuel rod was removed in 1979 from the Vermont Yankee reactor, which is currently shut down for refueling and maintenance. Remote-control cameras will be used to search a spent fuel pool on the property, officials said.

"We do not think there is a threat to the public at this point. The great probability is this material is still somewhere in the pool," said Nuclear Regulatory Commission spokesman Neil Sheehan.

But Sheehan said it was possible the spent fuel was mixed in with a shipment of low-level nuclear waste and ended up at a repository in South Carolina, or a facility in Washington state. He said it was also possible it was taken to a nuclear testing facility run by General Electric, which designed the plant.

The material would be fatal to anyone who came in contact with it without being properly shielded, Sheehan said. Spent nuclear fuel also could be used by terrorists to construct so-called dirty bombs that would spread deadly radiation with conventional explosives.

The NRC is helping plant officials in the search. The rod was part of the fuel assembly used to power the reactor. One of the missing pieces is about the size of a pencil. The other piece is about the thickness of a pencil and 17 inches long. (more)

The Democrats were the party of slavery in 1860, and perhaps only the nature of the shackles has changed. The Democratic Left's politics, endorsed by White "masters" like Bill Clinton, Carl Levin (D-MI), Hillary Clinton (D-NY), and enforced by Black "overseers" like John Conyers (D-MI), Richard Daley (D-IL), Bobby Rush (D-IL), Kwesei Mfume (NAACP), Jesse Jackson, Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL), Donna Brazile, and Al Sharpton, are designed specifically to keep African- Americans in childlike dependence on the Democrats for social welfare programs, affirmative action, and slavery reparations. These are Simon LeDonkey's kinder and gentler shackles. Self-reliant Blacks like Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas who succeed without Democratic largesse are derided as "tokens" (Donna Brazile's term for Powell), "house slaves" (re: Powell), or worse. This is the crack of Simon LeDonkey's kinder and gentler bullwhip. Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) is a proud representative of the Democratic Left's true nature. (Source of the following quotes: "The Democrats' Lott," Wall Street Journal, 23 December 2002.)

"The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth in West Virginia... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state in the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibility of rebuilding the Klan realm of W. Va?" Byrd' letter to the Klan's Imperial Wizard, 1946.

Byrd on "race mongrels." "[I will] never submit to fight beneath that banner [the American flag] with a Negro by my side. Rather would I die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." 1947 letter by Robert Byrd. Byrd also filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Byrd's position on gun control (http://issues2000.org/Senate/Robert_Byrd.htm): "Strongly Opposes Absolute right to gun ownership." We have to keep those "Negrotown Saturday Night Specials" out of the "wrong" hands, don't we?

Rush Limbaugh (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_120902/content/stack_d.guest.html): "remember that Al Gore's dad, Albert Arnold Gore, Sr., did indeed oppose the Civil Rights Act. Remember that infamous southern segregationist Orville Fabius was Bill Clinton's mentor, and that the Reverend Jackson once referred to New York as 'Hymietown.'"

Name:	To Draft or Not to Draft
To:	Most of us are making no sacrifices

Message:

I think good, since it will (maybe) finally impress the fact to the soccer moms that there are consequences to foolishness. After all, casualties among the most despised groups of Americans (poor and minority) just don't seem to make much difference to them. Maybe sending lily-white suburban kids to die would force some thought.

Arianna Huffington: I am not in favor of reinstituting the draft but the draft but the debate forces us to look at how most of us are making no sacrifices. In fact John Kerry can use the point to underline that the president has given lots of goods and perks and benefits to the 1 percent that finance his campaigns in the form of tax cuts and in the form of tax holes that allow them to defraud taxpayers billions of dollars.

American men and women dying in Iraq and millions at home without jobs or health insurance.

Name:	Tens of Thousands of G.I.s
To:	John Forbes Kerry Kohn

In response to:
"I was in Vietnam"

Name:

Draft the Bush Twins

Message:
It's time to draft the Bush twins, Jenna and Barbara.

We're getting serious about the war, girls, and we want you to step forward and do your part.

Name:	Howard Kaczynski Dean
Re:	Cleanse and purify

In response to:
The material would be fatal to anyone who came in contact with it without being properly shielded, Sheehan said

Name:

GO ARIANNA!

Message:
"And while a small elite is enriching itself and profiteering we have young American men and women dying in Iraq and millions at home without jobs or health insurance. "

Name:	Meat And Bone Meal
To:	Arianna Huffpot and her Pissant Chorus
Re:	Twittering Pissants

In response to:
Time for those rich elite kids to go to war. Where's that little squirt whelp of AL Gore's??? Where's the "Hot wheels Kid"??

Message:
Time for those who loudly and piously demand that certain others sacrifice make some sacrifices themselves.

Off to basic training with you, Arianna, and your sycophant kneejerk parrots, too!

Name:	U2
To:	Meat And Bone Meal

In response to:
Time for those who loudly and piously demand that certain others sacrifice make some sacrifices themselves. Off to basic training with you, Arianna, and your sycophant kneejerk parrots, too!

Message:
That includes you too, Meat And Bone Meal - Off to war you go. You are not exempted.

Name:	Meat & Bone Meal
To:	Classist Hater
Re:	We'll ALL just traipse off to Iraq. It will be cool!

In response to:
That includes you too, Meat And Bone Meal - Off to war you go. You are not exempted

Name:	ET
To:	The Draft

Message:
Every citizen in America, young or old, should be drafted to give up some of our time help in this war. Most of us are not trained soldiers so we can't go to the front lines, but there is something we shoud do to assist those who are fighting to protect us here in America.

I've heard stories of single mothers having to leave their kids. Who pays for her childcare? We can help her with her childcare or pay for her childcare. This is just one suggestion, but we all should do something.

Name:

Dirty Deeds (Done By Dems)

Message:
Convicted Murderer Arrested While Registering Democratic Voters in South Dakota

A man arrested by Rapid City, South Dakota police two weeks ago following an incident at a homeless shelter turned out to be a convicted murderer and a voter registration worker for Democrats.

Joseph Prentice was taken into custody when he refused to leave the Cornerstone Rescue Mission after a resident complained of being harassed. John Elving, a supervisor at the mission told Talon News that the man had been there the previous day but left when asked.

Police were first alerted to Prentice through complaints about individuals aggressively soliciting voter registration in parking lots and public areas. In the course of the investigation, it was discovered that the men were being paid a bounty of $3 for each Democrat they registered and $0 for any Republicans.

Prentice and several others were recruited from Denver, Colorado for a voter registration drive. Prentice showed police a California driver's license, but listed his address as homeless. While in Rapid City, he and the others stayed at the Corral Motel.

Prentice pleaded guilty to trespassing and was sentenced 30 days, with 30 days suspended sentence. He also pleaded guilty to possession of drug paraphernalia.

Further investigation into his revealed a long history of trouble with the law. In 1992, he pleaded guilty in Seattle, WA to second-degree murder and was sentenced to 38 months in prison.

Additional charges previously lodged against Prentice in other jurisdictions include disturbing the peace, providing false information, solicitation of prostitution, DUI, owner operated uninsured, leaving scene of an accident, and driving without a valid license.

The incident recalled similar events that marred the 2002 senate race in South Dakota.

In July 2003, Lyle Nichols entered into an agreement to plead guilty to felony possession of a forged instrument for the 252 voter registration cards he admitted were completed by his friends using names found in a telephone directory. The United Sioux Tribes hired him while he was on work release from Pennington County Jail and paid $3 per voter registration card.

Rebecca Red Earth-Villeda faced eight counts of forgery for fraudulent voter registration applications she submitted to county officials. The Native American woman, also known as Maka Duta, was hired in 2002 by the state Democrat Party to register voters. Those charges were dropped in 2004 after the state's handwriting expert was unable to definitively establish that the documents in question had been forged.

Democrats were criticized for using the bounty system to register voters that even neutral observers say was an invitation to fraud.

Name:	Meat & Bone Meal
To:	All

In response to:
That includes you too, Meat And Bone Meal - Off to war you go. You are not exempted.

Message:
We must dispatch Armed Services Draft Posses to Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Cal Tech, UC Berkely, Sarah Lawrence College, Bryn Mawr, Boston College, Howard University, Southern Methodist, Baylor (fer sure!) and of course, BELOIT COLLEGE at once!! Drag those rich little college prick BASTARDS straight to Ft. Benning! God damn them all!

Name:	American
To:	Dr. Feel Good
Re:	You WILL sacrifice. Be assured of that.

In response to:
I've heard stories of single mothers having to leave their kids. Who pays for her childcare? (YOU DO) We can help her with her childcare or pay for her childcare. This is just one suggestion, but we all should do something. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
Pay your taxes. Think very carefully about who you vote for and why. When questioning and analyzing the behavior of your elected officials, don't fail to analyze and question the motives and veracity of those who make a profession of questioning and analyzing them, and be sure to investigate their allegiances and motives. Leave fighting the war to the warriors.

Name:

Florida poll favors Bush

Message:
Given the likelihood that Florida will again almost certainly play a pivotal role in the battle for the presidency, a recent Mason-Dixon poll there showing George Bush with a strong lead over John Kerry is of tremendous significance.

Mason-Dixon’s prestige in Florida was established under the watchful eye of the late Bob Joffee, and veteran Managing Director Brad Coker has built well on Joffee’s foundation. When Zogby and the Los Angeles Times had Florida going for Gore in early November 2000, Mason-Dixon correctly saw a narrow Bush lead. Most of Florida’s prestigious newspapers have accepted Mason-Dixon’s dominance and subscribe to its results — so when Coker’s latest survey of 625 Florida voters taken at the beginning of this month showed Bush beating Kerry 51 percent to 43 percent, Republicans had a strong justification for joy.

Sen. Kerry (D-Mass.) himself provided the poll’s most encouraging results. His unfavorable name recognition has risen to 42 percent in Florida, twice what it was last November, the last time Mason-Dixon polled, and several points higher than President Bush’s negatives.

The poll’s cross-tabs showed that Kerry has several notable problems. First, he’s losing 18 percent of the state’s Democrats to Bush. By comparison, Bush is losing only 7 percent of Republicans. Kerry’s problem with his base is also evident in the minority community, where 11 percent of blacks said they plan to vote for Bush.

This above-average defection of African-Americans to a Republican in Florida refutes the notion being pushed by some black leaders that their community is eager to nail Bush come November.

But the most encouraging minority result is for Hispanic voters. Only 36 percent of Cubans and other Hispanics plan to vote for Kerry. Should former Bush administration Housing and Urban Development Secretary Mel Martinez win his U.S. Senate primary to join Bush on the ticket this November, Kerry could lose even more Hispanic support. (Disclosure: The author polls for Martinez.)

As is typically the case in Florida, there was a gender gap in the data, with Bush doing much better among men, winning them by 13 percentage points. But even among women, Bush is winning narrowly, besting Kerry 48 percent to 45 percent.

And women are especially positive about Bush’s performance in the war on terrorism. Fifty-eight percent of women said they approve of Bush’s handling of “homeland security and the war on terrorism.” Women in Florida also evidenced their conservative values by opposing legalization of gay marriage by 17 percentage points — 56 percent against, to only 39 percent for, gay marriage.

So liberal Kerry has an uphill climb in his bid to carry the Sunshine State. Mason-Dixon found that even by adding Sen. Bob Graham (D), one of Florida’s most popular political figures ever, to his ticket, Kerry cannot overcome Bush’s lead. A Kerry-Graham ticket loses 49 percent to 46 percent to a Bush-Cheney ticket.

Perhaps the only factor that could help Kerry escape his plight is the initiative process. A proposed initiative raising the state’s minimum wage is nearing the requirement for Supreme Court review and could make the ballot, drawing many low-wage Democrats to the polls in November. Similarly, proposed initiatives for video lottery terminals could disproportionately boost liberal and Democratic turnout. Doctors also are advancing a tort-reform initiative that will force trial lawyers to spend millions to boost Democratic turnout in an effort to thwart the physicians’ proposal. Bush’s prospects will be enhanced if none of those issues makes the ballot, because if they do qualify, all will boost turnout, something that’s certain to help Democrats.

Name:	Taxpayer
To:	Hand Wringers Seeking to impose Tyranny And Control
Re:	The proper role of the national government is national defense.

In response to:
Every citizen in America, young or old, should be drafted to give up some of our time help in this war NONSENSE!

Message:
Most of us pay taxes, and thus most of us are already giving up weeks and months of time at work to support this war effort in a very real and tangible way.

People who think that compulsory regimentation is the only way to contribute to the national defense should get themselves to North Korea.

Message:
Chelsea where are you? Time to register. Your time of being carried out of London pubs dead drunk is over.

Name:

Milan

In response to:
We must heed the lessons of Nixon's successful disengagement from Vietnam. As Nixon did, we must turn the war over to the locals, a process he called Vietnamization.

The biggest "success" following Nixon's disengagement from Vietnam was the holocaust that killed about 2 million Cambodians.

Name:	Truth Be Told
To:	forum Kerry-ites (the three of You)
Re:	masterful pretender buys best speech writer's assistance

In response to:
From wintersoldier.com/ Honoring those who served, telling off on those who made a life out of betrayal and pretense, See The Wall when you visit our capitol city, Washington. DC or a replica coming soon to a town near you.

Message:
As its dominant tactic in their battle against the war, the antiwar movement successfully demonized Vietnam veterans by calling a series of "tribunals" or hearings into war crimes. But... they were packed with pretenders and liars. ----- After being blocked from holding a ceremony honoring the war dead at Arlington National Cemetery, the veterans marched to the Capitol to present sixteen demands to Congress. At the end of the day; they held a candlelight march around the White House. After a man who said his son died in Vietnam blew taps, the soldiers began flinging their war medals over a high wire fence in front of the Capitol: Purple Hearts, Bronze Star Medals, Silver Stars -- bits of ribbon and metal hurled in the face of the government that had so betrayed them. Some, after throwing away what had cost them so dearly, broke down and cried. One of them was John Kerry, Vietnam Navy veteran and aspiring politician who had been among those who organized the protest. Kerry flung a handful of medals -- he had received the Silver Star, a Bronze Star Medal, and three Purple Hearts -- over the fence. Kerry spoke later that week before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, putting a face on the antiwar movement far different from the one seen before -- the scruffy hippie or wild-eyed activist. Kerry represented the All-American boy, mentally twisted by being asked to do terrible things, then abandoned by his government. From start to finish, the public took Dewey Canyon III at face value, not understanding that they were watching brilliant political theater. Kerry, a Kennedy protege with white-hot political aspirations, ascended center stage as both a war hero and as an antiwar hero throwing away his combat decorations. His speech, apparently off the cuff, was eloquent, impassioned. But More at the web site how Kerry pulled the wool over his anti-war "buddies" yet hung onto his own medals. Did he throw away the small replicas anyone who earned the real thing can order from the government or someone else's medals?

Name:

Clinton Lied and People Died

Message:
Sen. Hillary Clinton appeared Tuesday on CNN's "Larry King Live," and CNN describes an interesting exchange: The lack of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq contradicts years of intelligence indicating Saddam had such weapons, which also was the conclusion of officials in the Clinton administration. "The consensus was the same, from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration," she said. "It was the same intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the world shared.

"But I think that in the case of the [Bush] administration, they really believed it. They really thought they were right, but they didn't let enough sunlight into their thinking process to really have the kind of debate that needs to take place when a serious decision occurs like that."

Name:	Milan
To:	ET

In response to:
I've heard stories of single mothers having to leave their kids. Who pays for her childcare? We can help her with her childcare or pay for her childcare. This is just one suggestion, but we all should do something.

Message:
Sometimes there is no way of knowing whether or not a charity is legitimate.

Even some people against the war would buy war bonds earmarked for the benefit of troops and veterans.

Name:	Central Control And Procurement
To:	Home Front Agitators
Re:	We must punish the wealthy! It is important that they SUFFER!

In response to:
Chelsea where are you? Time to register. Your time of being carried out of London pubs dead drunk is over.

Message:
It will probably be necessary to militarily defeat the French in order for our Military Draft Posses to have the full and unobstructed access neeeded to dig the last of those damned rich American kids out of the French universities. That should take two or three days, then the round-up can continue. We will probably need to expand Ft. Benning and Ft. Polk in order to acommodate this flood of new draftees. We should have no problem rounding the little bastards up in Britain as long as Tony Blair is PM.

Name:	Mob
To:	Class Haters
Re:	Time for an American Kristallnacht! Round up the Rich! Smash them!

In response to:
Time for those rich elite kids to go to war

Message:
Hell, let's just line them up and shoot them right here on Main street! Let's have a Cultural Revolution like Mao did! All the MTV types will make great Red Guards.

Name:	ET
To:	American
Re:	WHAT IS OUR EXIT STRATEGY?

In response to:
Pay your taxes. Think very carefully about who you vote for and why. When questioning and analyzing the behavior of your elected officials, don't fail to analyze and question the motives and veracity of those who make a profession of questioning and analyzing them, and be sure to investigate their allegiances and motives. Leave fighting the war to the warriors.

Message:
Your "Dr. Feel Good" stuff is dumb, unless you are getting a little antsy that you may be called to contribute to the war in some way. You'd have to give up something, like maybe your favorite TV programs...

And you know full well that I have never been cozy with the analyists who question the behavior of our elected officials in this war. I supported Bush and I still do. But there's no getting away from it - Rummy did not have an exit strategy. Rummy did not anticipate an uprising or that neighboring countries would send in their terrorists.

Why didn't Rummy anticipate that the neighboring countries would try to take over? It didn't take a whole lot of imagination or vision to anticipate that? In fact, and you know this yourself, if the neighboring countries did not try to send in their terrorists I would be surprised, and so would you and everyone else that is paying attention. Too much optimism.

So don't play the same game against me as the left have been doing to the right. The consequenses of our losing in Iraq are EXTREMELY SERIOUS.

We don't have enough troops to win this war, and sending in more troops will just have the neighboring countries sending in more.

Name:	Collectivist Imperative
To:	All
Re:	Enough of this "Freedom" nonsense!

In response to:
Draft? Certainly!! We must move to a Universal Global Draft at once!

Message:
We must draft everyone everywhere! We will put all the annoying little people to work to eradicate poverty and make everthing all pretty. If there isn't enough good, hard, honest, gritty WORK for all of them, we will line them up by the thousands and make them do calesthinics to martial music blared over scratchy loudspeakers on the poles supporting the security cameras! It will be so cool!

Name:	ET
To:	Milan
Re:	WAR BONDS

In response to:
Sometimes there is no way of knowing whether or not a charity is legitimate. Why isn't the government at least selling war bonds? Even some people against the war would buy war bonds earmarked for the benefit of troops and veterans.

Yes, of course, as you said: "Even some people against the war would buy war bonds earmarked for the benefit of the troops and veterans."

But how could we make sure all this money goes directly to the troops and veterans?

Since my son-in-law, and father of my three grandsons, is piloting his plane into Baghdad almost every day, and then getting into a helicopter with shots being fired at them all the way to their destination, I welcome war bonds. He's not having an easy time of it, and nor is my daughter.

But the funds must be collected by veterans and disbursed by veterans. Nothing must get into the general funds.

Name:	Milan
Re:	10 ways to fight the anti-jihad on the homefront

In response to:
Most of us are not trained soldiers so we can't go to the front lines, but there is something we shoud do to assist those who are fighting to protect us here in America.

Message:
I don't forsee the government doing anything soon that would facilitate help from those of us not qualified to enlist. So the best we can do is engage our talents wisely on the homefront:

1) Are you a student in social studies? Take up an internship with Campus Watch.

2) Are you a social studies professor? See if you can get people like Daniel Pipes, Stephen Schwartz, and Robert Spencer invited to your campus.

3) Are you a lawyer? Offer your services pro-bono to people and organizations (like Anti-CAIR) being sued for telling the truth about 5th column Islamofascists.

4) Are you a hacker? Offer your services to the Internet Haganah (to shut down terrorist-recruiting websites) or Faith Freedom International (to defend this courageous website from the constant barrage of Islamofascist hacker attacks).

6) Do you own a bookstore? Make available books by Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, and Paul Fregosi.

7) ...and stop re-ordering books by Karen Armstrong, Edward Said, and John Esposito.

8) Are you a reader? Donate your copies of alternative books on Islam to your nearest library.

9) ...and drop an index card in each library book by Esposito and Armstrong with a list of websites that includes www.faithfreedom.org and www.jihadwatch.org

10) Are you a devout Christian? Go tell a Muslim about the real Jesus. Sounds outlandish? The Caner brothers give you some ideas of how to do this in their book "Unveiling Islam"

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	It's over.

In response to:
We don't have enough troops to win this war, and sending in more troops will just have the neighboring countries sending in more.

Message:
It's hopeless. We are beaten. Finished. The sooner we formally surrender, the better. It's not Rumsfeld's fault, though. Everyone knows he had everything all planned out way back in 2000.

Name:	Alvin York
To:	ET
Re:	War is not a quadrille.

In response to:
We need an exit strategy, and we don't have one that we can live with

Message:
Yes we do. It's called victory, and it's not as radical a notion as you might think...

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	Smoking them out.

In response to:
Why didn't Rummy anticipate that the neighboring countries would try to take over? It didn't take a whole lot of imagination or vision to anticipate that?

Message:
What makes you think he (and others) didn't? What makes you think that this particular eventuality isn't in fact part of the plan?

Name:	American
Re:	Paroxysms of Despair & Defeatism

In response to:
I don't forsee the government doing anything soon that would facilitate help from those of us not qualified to enlist. So the best we can do is engage our talents wisely on the homefront:

Message:
One way to do this is to avoid amplifying and embellishing every negative comment about current American policy and operations by every damned airhead with access to a microphone, TV camera, or keyboard.

Name:	ET
To:	American

In response to:
It's hopeless. We are beaten. Finished. The sooner we formally surrender, the better. It's not Rumsfeld's fault, though. Everyone knows he had everything all planned out way back in 2000.

Message:
I never give up. We are not beaten. We are not finished. We will never surrender. I have confidence in American ingenuity.

Name:	partofVRWC
To:	American

Message:
You are, of course, exactly right. Check This article by David Warren dated July 5, 2003. My HTML Skills $uck, Do the Cut and Paste thingy.

Name:	Paymaster
To:	Et, et al

In response to:
But how could we make sure all this money goes directly to the troops

Name:	Milan
To:	Christians

In response to:
10) Are you a devout Christian? Go tell a Muslim about the real Jesus.

If you are to participate in an interfaith dialogue, do YOUR homework on Islam BEFORE you go. Be ready to shock your Muslim counterparts with hard questions you can back with Koranic references.

Remember that most Muslims leave Islam AFTER their first reading of the Koran, so they may know something they never knew.

Name:	Pentagon
To:	American

In response to:
Why didn't Rummy anticipate that the neighboring countries would try to take over? It didn't take a whole lot of imagination or vision to anticipate that?

What makes you think he (and others) didn't? What makes you think that this particular eventuality isn't in fact part of the plan?

Message:
This is a good thing. Why go into Syria, Iran or Saudi Arabia when the extremists are coming to us?

You have to remember that a woman is saying this. And you know how they are. Let's just be polite and say that they don't have the intestinal fortitude for this kind of thing.

Name:	ET
To:	Milan
Re:	GREAT PROPOSALS FROM MILAN

Milan asked if you are a hacker. I know there is a lot of forum-warriors here that, even if they are not hackers themselves, know of one. If you do please encourage him to offer his or her services to the Internet Haganah (to shut down terrorist-recruiting websites) or Faith Freedom International (to defend this courageous website from the constant barrage of Islamofascist hacker attacks).

Name:	ET
To:	Paymaster

In response to:
Try lobbying for a combat pay increase.

Name:	ET
To:	Pentagon

In response to:
You have to remember that a woman is saying this. And you know how they are. Let's just be polite and say that they don't have the intestinal fortitude for this kind of thing.

Message:
Listen to me you damned male-chauvinistic jerk. Just the fact that I run this forum is taking a risk, while you are hiding behind the curtain throwing garbage at me. You are the one without "intestinal fortitude" not me.

Show me your intestinal fortitude... Put your real name, address and phone number on this board, and then express your opinions like I do. Then I will respect you.

Hiding behind the scenes with an anonymous name on the guaranteed anonymous forum I provide for you with my own personal resources, makes you nothing but a joke.

So do have the "intentinal fortitude" to step forward and help me run this board in your own name and address? I surely could do with the help.

Name:	Horatio Whistleblower
Re:	Quotes from a formwer fatty

In response to:
More of Rush H. Limbaugh's provacative and thought-provoking quotes

1) Kerry most intimate thoughts from his Right Brain side:How can I get in the news,fellows, to keep muy name alive, I don't want to pay for ads, guys, come on here."

Message:
“It's April and nobody knows who John Kerry is, so he's got to try yet again. It's reminiscent of Clinton still 'searching for his voice' in 1994 after being in the White House for a couple years, except this is worse.”

“Could somebody explain to me why the media needs to go around and do a Columbine anniversary? I can tell you exactly why: to gin up more anti-gun sentiment out there. I'm not talking about the families, but the media's role.”

Simple, Rush,"Waco Massacre gets covered up and the Oklahoma Bombing which were more than preventable. Especially the Waco Fiasco, which would never have occurred had the FBI just arrested Kerish (Sic)in town."

“How do you get 'tricked' into stripping, hanging upside down, and allowing yourself to be whipped? Just how in the world do you get tricked into that?”

“Kerry is giving this speech ripping the environment and Bush, and a in happens to pop up. Kerry uses it as a prop, ‘See there aaaare ins saying, "Heeelp! Heeelp! Heeelp."’”

“Hillary went to the American Society of Newspaper Editors and she said, 'You people are going to have to gin it up a little bit because we're not getting our message out.'”

Newspaper Editors: "You make it difficult with things like," We're in Iraq, we own this issue". What does that mean, you want us to keep the oil?"

“Three women on the front page of the Drudge Report, all axed, all out, all canned, all gone. Equality, ain't it grand? Women are now starting to routinely get fired. The NOW gang and NAGs don't show up and complain about it at all. No allies out there.”

“There's something very unnatural about the way John Kerry looks. That Botox is not just on the forehead. It’s uncanny. You know, people his age are not supposed to look 30. It's just unbelievable.”

“I know it's a long shot, but I'm still not ruling out the possibility that Kerry could somehow not end up with this nomination.”

“I don't even think John Kerry wants to be president. This is a guy who doesn't have his heart in it. He got easily tricked because of the natural proclivities, biases and tendencies of the left.”

Name:	Wally Wahhabi
To:	Americans
Re:	10 ways to appease I MEAN MAKE PEACE WITH the Muslim world

Message:
1) Write to Bill Moyers and tell him you can't get enough of Karen Armstrong.

2) Ask Bill Moyers to invite John Esposito again (as he did in May of 2002: http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_esposito.html).

6) Remind everyone in America everyday about the bad things they did to Muslims during the Crusades.

7) Remind everyone in America everyday about how awful life would be today had the Muslims not given them Algebra.

8) Remind your college administrators that only Arabs are qualified to teach Middle East studies.

Name:

Pentagon

In response to:
Listen to me you damned male-chauvinistic jerk. Just the fact that I run this forum is taking a risk, while you are hiding behind the curtain throwing garbage at me. You are the one without "intestinal fortitude" not me. Show me your intestinal fortitude... Put your real name, address and phone number on this board, and then express your opinions like I do. Then I will respect you.

Message:
Please stop your hysterical blubbering and stand aside. If you think you have the solution with your hair brained peace dividend, I suggest you submit it to the UN. Those jerks are big enough morons to look at it.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	Democrats in Free Fall
Re:	Iraq Could Doom Bush

In response to:
Bush fell by nine points and ended his crash trailing Kerry by six.

Message:
This "story" from Dicky Morris is over a week old and VERY out of touch with reality.

Thursday April 22, 2004--For the second straight day, the Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll shows President George W. Bush with 45% of the vote and Senator John F. Kerry with 44%.

Name:	ET
To:	Wally Wahhabi

Message:
Your intelligence and brilliant humor is most welcome on this forum.

From 9/11 panel to Kerry's manner, here are 9 reasons By Howard Fineman MSNBC contributor

Updated: 11:08 a.m. ET April 22, 2004WASHINGTON - Sen. John Kerry's spin doctors claim that they haven't lost ground to George Bush in recent weeks, and they are staging what they insist is the "launch" of his general election campaign this week with new TV ads airing and a trip next week to the Midwest. But the fact is that Kerry has lost ground — ground he has to make up if he hopes to win in November. The more interesting question is why? My reasons:

Richard Ben-Veniste & Co. The media loved the 9/11 commission hearings. By instinct, we thrilled to watch a prosecutor such as B-V on the hunt, creeping in on a witness like a big cat. But the commission, which served as a platform for the theatrical Richard Clarke and the cross-examinations of Democratic members, eventually came off as too political and partisan to damage the president. Just the opposite, I think. Too many of the commissioners ended up looking like they were pressing to prove that Bush could have and should have prevented the 9/11 catastrophe — a theory the public doesn’t buy. In fact, most Americans tend to blame the rise of terrorism here on the eight-year Clinton administration. Bush, without having to say much, was able to play the political victim.

Name:	Wally Wahhabi
To:	Pentagon
Re:	Allah loves you

In response to:
Please stop your hysterical blubbering and stand aside. If you think you have the solution with your hair brained peace dividend, I suggest you submit it to the UN.

Message:
Your misongyny needs more focus. Please accept the free copy of the Koran so you can better justify your contempt for women.

Name:

Democrats in Free Fall

Message:
Are Left Wing Extemists stupid? You be the judge:

Name:

Democrats in Free Fall

Message:
Are Left Wing Extremists Stupid? You be the judge:

"It's time to draft the Bush twins, Jenna and Barbara. What sacrifices are these two making? We're getting serious about the war girls, and we want you to step forward and do your part."

Name:

Why do Left Wingers lie so much?

In response to:
"And while a small elite is enriching itself and profiteering we have young American men and women dying in Iraq and millions at home without jobs or health insurance. "

Name:

Bystander

In response to:
We must heed the lessons of Nixon's successful disengagement from Vietnam. As Nixon did, we must turn the war over to the locals, a process he called Vietnamization.

Message:
Little Dicky has lost his mind. Little Dicky's sharp turn left and upcoming book must has damaged his brain. Vietnamization means condemning hundreds of thousands to be killed by an extremist Left Wing government.

Name:

Patriot

Message:
Why would anyone advocate a draft? People of each generation are given the ability to serve thier country via entering the military. Some choose to serve some choose not to. To force people to be there who do not have any desire to be there only places them as well as thier fellow soldiers and Marines in danger.

The men and women serving this country should not be classified as being poor or from any certain social class. Unlike the reality of the situation, certain people would wish to claim that only the poor enter military service. Well guess what, I joined the service as a US Marine about two months before my 18th birthday. I was not from a poor family, probably somewhere between middle class and upper middle class family. My father would have gladly sent me to college had I chosen to pursue that path, I didn't go to the military to go to college, I didn't go to the military to learn a trade I would do the rest of my life and I certainly didn't enlist because of the big money that they pay to service members.

As far as I am concerned they need to increase recruiting quotas, and increase pay. I can guarantee there are some patriotic young men and women throughout this country who have never heard a recruiter look at them and ask if they want to be a Marine or a soldier. But let us not forget that this country has purged itself for years of it's soldiers. Now all of a sudden everyone wants to call for a draft.

Name:	//!!!^^^((+))^^^((+))^^^!!!((
To:	Forum

In response to:
Replying to large amounts of elephant excrement that seems to have seeped in here from some corporate landfill:

To JB Williams: who said it was a good thing that liberals were not at Valley Forge --- WE WERE there, you silly man, The Founding Fathers were ALL liberals, men who were against the status quo, who put their lives on the line to give Maximum freedom to mankind & release them from tyranny, & to advocate radical new ideas of Men Governing Themselves, The very DEFINITION of a Liberal. (Also they are tolerant of new ideas, open-minded, generous & oppose any restraints on individual liberty & freedom of speech).

Liberals wrote the Constitution, & the Bill of Rights, while rich elite guys paid mercenaries to fight the War for them, -- among our friends were the French, you know. I've seen rtwingers saying that the French do not appreciate all we did for them in their Revolution. Well, in fact, it was the FRENCH who helped US win against the British, & not the other way around. (Rt wingers do not understand History).

JB: you said we can't pretend to "support our troops" if we voted against the war, etc. WELL, you Repubs can't pretend to support our troops if you don't send your OWN kids out into battle beside them, & also you Repubs REFUSE to pay your fair share of TAXES to Pay the Troops Salary & Benefits, & the Enormous Cost of this Stupid War.

I have previously listed at least 26 well-known GOP who failed (deliberately) to serve in any war, while they were at home acting like Warrior Hawks, full of patriotic fervor WHICH list includes: Cheney, Geo "W", Tom DeLay, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Weiner aka Savage, Mike Reagan, & dozens more Congressmen, Governors, & politico's.

Rumsfeld not only relied on "informants" in Saddam's own camp (duh) but he acts stymied by the fact that the Iraqi people would not be "thrilled" to be bombed into the pre-Jurassic era, have their water & power demolished, & their elected leader deposed. ??? Rummy, apparently named after his favorite beverage, thought they would come to our welcome, with open arms full of flowers, music & ladies in harem dresses. Welcome, O bombers of Fire & Brimstone, we are here to serve you, & dance the night away. (yeah sure) Somebody better do Drug Screening in the Pentagon, quick.

To .pp: Who said that the 2nd amendment was given to us by our founding fathers to "keep our govt in line". But this is not true, it was to give us a well regulated militia to deal with foreign invaders, or wild Indians that rebelled in those days. It was the only Army we had, & they had to deal with local problems with local posses. It was only meant to last a short while, in the colonial period.

AK-47 is NOT just another semi-automatic rifle, but it can easily be converted to full automatic, which is a deadly & illegal weapon, which has NO justifiable useage in hunting or sport. It is for Mass Murder only. & if it was used on any normal deer or goose, it would blow them to bits. Not fit to eat. End of story.

How do we fight or find Osama bin Laden? Easy, he is at Carlysle Group with his family investments, having board meetings with Bush family lawyers. Also, bin Laden has more brothers & sisters than 60 rabbits in heat, & they all have major offices all over Europe, (like Switzerland), How much do you wanna bet old Osama has a deluxe suite in a fancy Swiss Hotel, climbing the Alps with his herd of concubines? Yodeling to his goats & kids in an Arab-Swiss accent? They are accompanied by Julie Andrews, "The Hills are Alive".

To Smedley: who says Hillary is wearing a salmon/coral pantsuit which color went out of style in the 70's or 80's. WRONG. I can personally point out to you dozens of fashion magazines & shopping centers that are showing salmon coral colored pant suits THIS SPRING, so YOU are out of touch.

To XYZ: says Hillary is a socialist and despises the concept of individualism, individual thought, or individual responsibility or achievement. WRONG. If anything, she is the EMBODIMENT of those principles, -- you obviously have never read her commencement speech when she graduated from Wellesley in 1969. She encourages women to go out & break new ground, & achieve the most they can, with NO LIMITS.

To Bordertex: Had to dust myself off after rolling on the floor, laughing, after reading some of your great posts lately. You are truly becoming a good Forum Warrior, which ET was afraid we "liberals" could never be, as we don't usually like to attack the jugular & be mean-spirited like rt wing people do. But you are a spirited refreshing voice after all the repetitive drones of Limbaugh Lack-a-Logic that I hear all the time. I love it !!! I do have to warn you though, to be careful-- when describing the First Lady who "farts in bed next to the " -- I think it would be more Politically Correct to say she "emits gaseous vapors" OR "gently wafts odiferous scents thru the night onto the (uh, er) well- I guess "" is fairly close. (NOT very polite, but --- you gotta go for accuracy).

To ET: who is always trying to find a way for all of us people of divergent opinions to "just get along" & find a solution to our problems in kind, considerate ways. It is a futile battle, some days. Solving problems in that fashion requires Logical minds, with Good Motives, that think about the Whole, not just their narrow partisan interests. And if they are heavily brain-washed to believe something, even if all Reason points the other way, -- debating is futile. We cannot solve our petty differences, so the world conflicts are not going to be a cake walk, either. But it is good to remember that this right / left Polarization did not happen spontaneously or by natural processes. It was deliberately orchestrated & manipulated by 13 men in Belmont, in 1958.

Name:	Scotty
To:	Forum

Message:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38156

'Gay Militia' storms Christian meeting Convention was discussing bill that could make Bible 'hate literature'

Masked members of a group called the "Gay Militia" stormed into a meeting of Christians discussing a bill that would criminalize certain opposition to homosexual behavior in Canada.

A videotape of the incident shows the intruders with bandanna-covered faces bursting into a meeting room at the Coast Plaza Hotel in Calgary, Alberta, where the Concerned Christian Coalition Inc. was holding its national convention Saturday night, the Calgary Sun reported.

"Right-wing bigots go away, Gay Militia is here to stay," the intruders chanted.

The Calgary paper said about seven females and one male from the homosexual group were in the room as about 25 members of the convention held hands and prayed aloud. The female Gay Militia members unfurled a banner that read: "Liberation: Queer Invasion."

Calgary police are reviewing several videotapes of the meeting and an investigation is underway, according to police Const. Doug Jones, the hate-bias crime coordinator for the police cultural resource unit.

"What we are looking at, if we can identify [the protesters] is mischief charges, disturbing a peaceful assembly kind of stuff," he told the Sun.

Jim Blake, a member of the Christian group, told the paper he was "dumbfounded at the fact that the Gay Militia would storm into a private meeting where we were praying and discussing Bill C-250, a bill that will affect our freedom as Christians to discuss certain beliefs."

The controversial bill, which passed the House of Commons last September, adds sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and hate-crimes legislation, which carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.

As WorldNetDaily reported, opponents fear if it becomes law, the Bible will be deemed "hate literature" under the criminal code in certain instances, as evidenced by the case of a Saskatchewan man fined by a provincial human-rights tribunal for taking out a newspaper ad with Scripture references to verses about homosexuality. ()

Name:	Reads Alot
To:	forum posters with little time 2 read

In response to:
Great Article

I remember my son when he was five, explaining to his kindergarten class what his father did for a living. "My Daddy," he said, "pretends to be people."

There have been quite a few of them. Prophets from the Old and New Testaments, a couple of Christian saints, generals of various nationalities and different centuries, several kings, three American presidents, a French cardinal and two geniuses, including Michelangelo. If you want the ceiling re-painted I'll do my best. There always seem to be a lot of different fellows up here. I'm never sure which one of them gets to talk. Right now, I guess I'm the guy.

As I pondered our visit tonight it struck me: If my Creator gave me the gift to connect you with the hearts and minds of those great men, then I want to use that same gift now to re-connect you with your own sense of liberty ... your own freedom of thought ... your own compass for what is right.

Dedicating the memorial at Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln said of America, "We are now engaged in a great Civil War, testing whether this nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure."

Those words are true again. I believe that we are again engaged in a great civil war, a cultural war that's about to hijack your birthright to think and say what resides in your heart. I fear you no longer trust the pulsing lifeblood of liberty inside you ... the stuff that made this country rise from wilderness into the miracle that it is.

Let me back up. About a year ago I became president of the National Rifle Association, which protects the right to keep and bear arms. I ran for office, I was elected, and now I serve ... I serve as a moving target for the media who've called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." I know ... I'm pretty old ... but I sure Lord ain't senile.

As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I've realized that firearms are not the only issue. No, it's much, much bigger than that.

I've come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain acceptable thoughts and speech are mandated.

For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 -- long before Hollywood found it fashionable. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist.

I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life. But when I told an audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe.

I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite.

Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh.

From Time magazine to friends and colleagues, they're essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak your mind. You are using language not authorized for public consumption!"

But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys-subjects bound to the British crown.

In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross writes that "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't like it."

Let me read a few examples. At Antioch college in Ohio, young men seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at each step of the process from kissing to petting to final copulation ... all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive.

In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDs --- the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive need not .. need not ... tell their patients that they are infected.

At William and Mary, students tried to change the name of the school team "The Tribe" because it was supposedly insulting to local Indians, only to learn that authentic Virginia chiefs truly like the name.

In San Francisco, city fathers passed an ordinance protecting the rights of transvestites to cross-dress on the job, and for transsexuals to have separate toilet facilities while undergoing sex change surgery.

In New York City, kids who don't speak a word of Spanish have been placed in bilingual classes to learn their three R's in Spanish solely because their last names sound Hispanic.

At the University of Pennsylvania, in a state where thousands died at Gettysburg opposing slavery, the president of that college officially set up segregated dormitory space for black students.

Yeah, I know ... that's out of bounds now. Dr. King said "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." But it's a no-no now. For me, hyphenated identities are awkward ... particularly "Native-American." I'm a Native American, for God's sake. I also happen to be a blood-initiated brother of the Miniconjou Sioux. On my wife's side, my grandson is a thirteenth generation native American ... with a capital letter on "American."

Finally, just last month ... David Howard, head of the Washington D.C. Office of Public Advocate, used the word "rdly" while talking to colleagues about budgetary matters. Of course, "rdly" means stingy or scanty. But within days Howard was forced to publicly apologize and resign.

As columnist Tony Snow wrote: "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who (a) didn't know the meaning of rdly,' (b) didn't know how to use a dictionary to discover the meaning, and (c) actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance."

What does all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say , so telling us what to do can't be far behind.

Before you claim to be a champion of free thought, tell me: Why did political correctness originate on America's campuses? And why do you continue to tolerate it? Why do you, who're supposed to debate ideas, surrender to their suppression?

Let's be honest. Who here thinks your professors can say what they really believe?

It scares me to death, and should scare you too, that the superstition of political correctness rules the halls of reason.

You are the best and the brightest. You, here in the fertile cradle of American academia, here in the castle of learning on the Charles River, you are the cream. But I submit that you, and your counterparts across the land, are the most socially conformed and politically silenced generation since Concord Bridge.

And as long as you validate that ... and abide it ... you are-by your grandfathers' standards-cowards.

Here's another example. Right now at more than one major university, Second Amendment scholars and researchers are being told to shut up about their findings or they'll lose their jobs. Why? Because their research findings would undermine big-city mayor's pending lawsuits that seek to extort hundreds of millions of dollars from firearm manufacturers.

I don't care what you think about guns. But if you are not shocked at that, I am shocked at you. Who will guard the raw material of unfettered ideas, if not you? Who will defend the core value of academia, if you supposed soldiers of free thought and expression lay down your arms and plead, "Don't shoot me."

If you talk about race, it does not make you a racist. If you see distinctions between the genders, it does not make you a sexist. If you think critically about a denomination, it does not make you anti-religion. If you accept but don't celebrate homosexuality, it does not make you a homophobe.

Don't let America's universities continue to serve as incubators for this rampant epidemic of new McCarthyism.

But what can you do? How can anyone prevail against such pervasive social subjugation?

The answer's been here all along. I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred thousand people.

You simply ... disobey. Peaceably, yes. Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely. But when told how to think or what to say or how to behave, we don't. We disobey social protocol that stifles and stigmatizes personal freedom.

I learned the awesome power of disobedience from Dr. King ... who learned it from Gandhi, and Thoreau, and Jesus, and every other great man who led those in the right against those with the might.

Disobedience is in our DNA. We feel innate kinship with that disobedient spirit that tossed tea into Boston Harbor, that sent Thoreau to jail, that refused to sit in the back of the bus, that protested a war in Viet Nam.

In that same spirit, I am asking you to disavow cultural correctness with massive disobedience of rogue authority, social directives and onerous law that weaken personal freedom.

But be careful ... it hurts. Disobedience demands that you put yourself at risk. Dr. King stood on lots of balconies.

You must be willing to be humiliated ... to endure the modern-day equivalent of the police dogs at Montgomery and the water cannons at Selma.

You must be willing to experience discomfort. I'm not complaining, but my own decades of social activism have taken their toll on me. Let me tell you a story.

A few years back I heard about a rapper named Ice-T who was selling a CD called "Cop Killer" celebrating ambushing and murdering police officers. It was being marketed by none other than Time/Warner, the biggest entertainment conglomerate in the world.

Police across the country were outraged. Rightfully so-at least one had been murdered. But Time/Warner was stonewalling because the CD was a cash cow for them, and the media were tiptoeing around it because the rapper was black. I heard Time/Warner had a stockholders meeting scheduled in Beverly Hills. I owned some shares at the time, so I decided to attend.

What I did there was against the advice of my family and colleagues. I asked for the floor. To a hushed room of a thousand average American stockholders, I simply read the full lyrics of "Cop Killer"-every vicious, vulgar, instructional word.

"I GOT MY 12 GAUGE SAWED OFF I GOT MY HEADLIGHTS TURNED OFF I'M ABOUT TO BUST SOME SHOTS OFF I'M ABOUT TO DUST SOME COPS OFF..."

It got worse, a lot worse. I won't read the rest of it to you. But trust me, the room was a sea of shocked, frozen, blanched faces. The Time/Warner executives squirmed in their chairs and stared at their shoes. They hated me for that.

Then I delivered another volley of sick lyric brimming with racist filth, where Ice-T fantasizes about sodomizing two 12-year old nieces of Al and Tipper Gore.

Well, I won't do to you here what I did to them. Let's just say I left the room in echoing silence. When I read the lyrics to the waiting press corps, one of them said "We can't print that." "I know," I replied, "but Time/Warner's selling it."

Two months later, Time/Warner terminated Ice-T's contract. I'll never be offered another film by Warners, or get a good review from Time magazine. But disobedience means you must be willing to act, not just talk.

When a mugger sues his elderly victim for defending herself ... jam the switchboard of the district attorney's office.

When your university is pressured to lower standards until 80% of the students graduate with honors ... choke the halls of the board of regents.

When an 8-year-old boy pecks a girl's cheek on the playground and gets hauled into court for sexual harassment ... march on that school and block its doorways.

When someone you elected is seduced by political power and betrays you ... petition them, oust them, banish them.

When Time magazine's cover portrays millennium nuts as deranged, crazy Christians holding a cross as it did last month ... boycott their magazine and the products it advertises.

So that this nation may long endure, I urge you to follow in the hallowed footsteps of the great disobediences of history that freed exiles, founded religions, defeated tyrants, and yes, in the hands of an aroused rabble in arms and a few great men, by God's grace, built this country.

Message:
I could not get some of the pdf's, not sure why just now. He did 18 missions in 48 days, turned himself in for three purple hearts in that time. Read the mission sumaries-full of typos and stuff that had nothing to do with him. See in you think he deserved a silver star and a bronze star w/ V(for valor). His site is johnkerry.com .

CAIRO - An Israeli attempt to assassinate Yasser Arafat is "only a matter of time", the Palestinian leader's national security adviser Jibril Rajoub said in an interview published here yesterday.

"An attack on Arafat's life is only a matter of time because Arafat symbolises the freedom" of the Palestinian people, General Rajoub told the Egyptian weekly magazine Nahdat Mir.

On March 22, the leader of the Palestinian radical Islamic movement Hamas, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, was killed in an Israeli helicopter raid in Gaza City.

And Israel assassinated his successor, Abdelaziz Rantissi, less than a month later.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was slapped down by his allies in Washington after giving an interview in which he warned that Arafat was a "marked man".

But he renewed the threat in early April, saying his long-time nemesis was to blame for "the murder of Jews for decades" and that "all those who kill Jews or push for the killing of Jews or Israeli citizens deserve to die."

For Rajoub, the assassinations of Sheikh Yassin and Rantissi were designed "to abort the inter-Palestinian dialogue, which was on the point of succeeding" between Arafat's Palestinian Authority and radical groups.

"The Israelis hit us to push us to react," he said, adding that Hamas retaliation would be "legitimate".

But "the militarisation of the intifada (uprising) and the launching of suicide operations (inside Israel)... have been a strategic error," Rajoub said.

"The resistance should be limited to the occupied zones."

Name:

dog bite

Message:
Advocate Michael Moore may have released a book titled DUDE, WHERE'S MY COUNTRY?, and may have vaulted to stardom documenting worker's rights and corporate malfeasance in Flint, Michigan, but that has not stopped Moore from outsourcing his website design and servers -- to companies based in Canada!

Cannes-bound Moore, the great protector of the U.S. working class, has outsourced the design of his Web site to a foreign company in Canada, records show.

PLANK -- based in Montréal, Québec -- is the development and design company behind MichaelMoore.com.

Meanwhile, Moore's site is hosted by a foreign owned company, Webcore Labs, of Calgary, Alberta Canada. [Webcore does maintain an office in Beverly Hills, CA.]

Moore is to get star billing at this year's Cannes Film Festival with the controversial FAHRENHEIT 9/11.

Name:	Rob Wilson louisville KY
Re:	http://pub188.ezboard.com/ftrueconservatismfrm2

Message:
http://pub188.ezboard.com/ftrueconservatismfrm2

Name:

Pentagon

In response to:
Show me your intestinal fortitude... Put your real name, address and phone number on this board, and then express your opinions like I do. Then I will respect you.

Veteran of Vietnam US Navy 1968-1972 MCB-4( Mobile Construction Battalion-Seabees) Vietnam service 6-69/7-70

Name:	Democrat in Doubt
To:	f****
Re:	Now can we flush Kerry and get a decent candidate

In response to:
This guy is so unamerican, who got loaded and picked him? Let's get rid of him while we can still beat Bush!

John Kerry, the presumed Democrat nominee for president, was quoted by a student newspaper at West Virginia's Bethany College in 1971 as saying, "Our democracy is a farce; it is not the best in the world."

Kerry made the remarks on Nov. 2, 1971, according to the Bethany College student newspaper, The Tower. CNSNews.com has obtained a copy of the article written by John Majors, which details Kerry's visit to the college and appeared in the Nov. 11, 1971 issue of the newspaper. At the time, Kerry was still a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).

"There is a disbelief in the American Dream," Kerry was quoted as saying. "People are questioning if it is really a dream or if the dream still exists," he reportedly told the students gathered in the school's Weimer Lecture Hall.

Name:	Evidence Please
To:	//!!!^^^((+))^^^((+))^^^!!!((
Re:	Why do liberal think they can get away with unsupported claims?

In response to:
To Smedley: who says Hillary is wearing a salmon/coral pantsuit which color went out of style in the 70's or 80's. WRONG. I can personally point out to you dozens of fashion magazines & shopping centers that are showing salmon coral colored pant suits THIS SPRING, so YOU are out of touch.

Message:
Please name these magazines or link us to supporting evidence for your comment.

Name:	Evidence Please
To:	//!!!^^^((+))^^^((+))^^^!!!((

In response to:
also you Repubs REFUSE to pay your fair share of TAXES

Name:	Evidence Please
To:	//!!!^^^((+))^^^((+))^^^!!!((

In response to:
How do we fight or find Osama bin Laden? Easy, he is at Carlysle Group with his family investments, having board meetings with Bush family lawyers.

Name:	Right Wing Pirahna #3
To:	Individual

Message:
I think Mrs. Bush is a better first lady.

Name:	LAURA_BUSH_FORUM_01
Re:	Laura Bush for President!

Message:
It might work!?!

Name:	Former Democrat
Re:	and here is one of a thousand reasons why:

Name:	Electorate
To:	brown fellers
Re:	whatcha gonna do