Posted on Thu, Apr. 15, 2004
Hillary Clinton stumps for Kerry


The Hartford Courant

NEW YORK — If body language can be believed, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is in love with the idea of a John Kerry presidency.

Warmly embracing and sharing fond stories of past travels together, Clinton and Kerry made their first joint appearance of the presidential campaign before an enthusiastic crowd Wednesday afternoon at City College of New York in Harlem, a stop on Kerry’s Northeast campus tour.

The John and Hillary duet — carefully staged before the New York media — dispels for the moment fears among Democrats that one of the party’s top crowd draws and fund-raisers will sit out the 2004 presidential contest to avoid upsetting her own chances of ascending to the presidency in 2008 or 2012.

Still, the Kerry-Clinton relationship might just be a romance of convenience, with each party needing something from the other that they cannot deliver for themselves.

“He’s ready, he’s willing, and he’s able,” Clinton said of Kerry while warming up the college crowd for his appearance. “John Kerry has never let his friends down, his crew down or his country down.”

Kerry reciprocated by elaborately praising Clinton’s progress in the Senate since she arrived there in 2001 and mentioning several Clinton-era social programs and economic policies he intends to revive if elected president.

Each time he mentioned the presidency of Bill Clinton, Kerry looked backward at Hillary Clinton and bent his tall, lanky frame in a polite bow, to the approving nods of Clinton.

Clinton offers genuine advantages to the Kerry campaign, especially in a tight election year when even small gains among the constituencies she appeals to — women, advocates of health care and children’s rights — can help deliver key states.  source...


Name:   The Art of War
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General Disorder

meet Sun Tzu


Traditional rendering of Sun Tzu

Iraq is pretty much a mess right now. To restore order, General John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, has asked for an additional "two brigades of combat power, if not more." Meanwhile, we figure it can't hurt to get reacquainted with Sun Tzu, the Chinese general and military strategist behind the world's oldest guide to war.

Today's Knowledge
Sun Tzu's The Art of War --
The World's Oldest Battlefield Manual

fascinating stuff

Need military advice? Get back to basics with Sun Tzu and The Art of War--a pithy, lucid instruction manual for would-be winners of wars and life in general written more than 2,000 years ago.

The Art of War is usually divided into 13 slim chapters, with snippets of military and philosophical advice supposedly from Sun Tzu himself mixed in with commentary from about a dozen other actual and armchair generals (some famous in their own right). Throughout, Sun Tzu and his martial-minded adjuncts continually besiege a few key points.

Know Thy Enemy, Know Thyself (Then Pick Your Spots)
"One who knows when he can fight, and when
he cannot fight, will be victorious."

You've probably heard the serenity prayer: "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference." Sun Tzu saw war in similar terms. Successful generals attack enemies they can defeat, avoid enemies they cannot, and never lose sight of the difference. They "position themselves where they will surely win, prevailing over those who have already lost."

Lie and Spy (or You're Sure to Die)
"There are no areas in which one does not employ spies."

Getting good information--and spreading bad information--is the name of the military game. And for that, says Sun Tzu, you need spies: "Foreknowledge cannot be gotten from ghosts and spirits, cannot be had by analogy, cannot be found out by calculation. It must be obtained from people, people who know the conditions of the enemy." Of course, good generals work hard to keep their plans secret. "All warfare," writes Sun Tzu, "is based on deception."

Consider the Ocean (or Even the River)
"A military force has no constant formation,
as water has no constant shape."

Translation: be flexible, be creative, and take whatever advantage or opportunity your enemy gives you. "Changing and adapting according to the opponent," Sun Tzu writes, "is called genius." Successful generals shape their strategy and structure their force to fit each circumstance. Ideologues and one-trick ponies need not apply.

Take Care of #1 (and the Rest Takes Care of Itself)
"Being unconquerable lies with yourself;
being conquerable lies with the enemy."

"In ancient times," writes Sun Tzu, "skillful warriors first made themselves invincible, and then watched for vulnerability in their opponents." Successful generals know they can't control the other guy. Confuse or fool or trap him, perhaps. But the other guy has to take the bait. So, a general's first job is to strengthen his own force. In that way, "a victorious army first wins and then seeks battle, while a defeated army first battles and then seeks victory."

Win Fast (or Don't Fight)
"It is never beneficial to a nation to have
a military operation continue for a long time."

War is destructive, disruptive, and terribly expensive. So it pays to win quickly and go home. Better yet, get your way without fighting at all. "Those who render others' armies helpless without fighting," writes Sun Tzu, "are the best of all." Either way, "the important thing in a military operation is victory, not persistence."

Michael Himick and Claire Vail
April 13, 2004


Name:   Black Sands
Message:
Bush, in his news conference Tuesday, showed he was ready to raise the level of his play in this arena.

Bush found a way to make not one, not two, but three factual errors in a single 15-word sentence, which must be something of a world indoor record. Bush said it is still possible that inspectors will find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

"They could still be there. They could be hidden, like the 50 tons of mustard gas in a turkey farm," he said, referring to Libya's WMD disclosures last month.

The White House, according to Reuters, said the accurate figure was 23.6 metric tons or 26 tons, not 50. The stuff was found at various locations, not at a turkey farm. And there was no mustard gas on the farm at all, but unfilled chemical munitions.

Other than that, the sentence was spot on.



Name:   hhfh
Name:   Yo Dudes
Message:
I work with people because I feel that we need to invest in our fellow man to get the most out of ourselves. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world at the expense of others? To be kind and true to another's soul, I give and expect others to support and understand this about me. If the right woman is reading this then I know that it was written for a reason. We must follow the coincidences that life gives us to know the path we are on and appreciate the lessons that we are learning. I what someone that understands this and respects my understanding of life.


Name:   Liberty Tree planter
To:   forum lovers of pay my own way Kerry

Re:   Kerry plans to pay now, fly free later,EVERYWHERE
In response to:
"There is a word sweeter than mother, home or heaven -- That word is liberty." - Epitaph on the grave of Matilda Joslyn Gage (a Fountainhead type writer?)

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Those who would trade freedom for a bit of security shall have neither. Nothing's as bad or as good as it seems at first. Former Fourth Grader Better find it, or win it 'cause po' boy ,it will take forever to earn it, FFG in 12th grade as "the mad telepath of Oak Cliff")


Name:   On General Disorder
To:   forum

Re:   Not all that chaotic actually, just requires TERMINATION
In response to:
'Tis a quagmire, and quagmire is the biggest, baddest word I ever learnt 'cause my head is like a sieve!" Anonymous Democrat assailing Bush for taking the fight to the sneaky illigitimates who started the fray.

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TERMINATION: An ending brought about by killing all the diehard Iraqis and any other Arabs who try to cross the border. Little known fact: Hitler/Nazi leaders running for their lives, gave boys and old men tank busters and machine guns in Berlin and said," Die for your mother country" or words to that affect. Berlin was taken at a cost of around 400,000 Russians dying in the mopup. It was house-to-house, building-to-building and very bloody! (Got this from Prof, Savage, since the NEA has screwed up the history books so badly))Then it was such a secret that we Americans were astonded when the Russians wanted to keep it! We need not wonder why the Russians pretended to have a revolution (got 3 men killed who were confused and fought) since they recently announced that they will bury us via new weoponry developed while we took care of their "butter" provisions, they worked stole money for "bullets". Anyway when Communism takes over a desert where there is nothing but sand, soon the sand is also gone. East Germany was plundered and poluted so time for the idiots to give Russia welfare after this little fasade of pretention they called "freedom". The Russians are not now and have not been free since the Czar was deposed. They were probably overtaxed which brought on the Bolshevic (useful idiots) who were offed for Communistic takeover.


Name:   Sul Rost
To:   forum Kerry-ites (the three of You)

Re:   Clinton admits betrayal of his culture, borders,and race.
In response to:
In case you missed former Cali Gov. Gray(out) Davis' "Men in Black" quote. "They must have been drinking something."- Ronald Reagan

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Thanx to Newsmax.com for these articles and hundreds of others! 3. Clinton Finally Admits He's an 'Apostate' Perhaps you thought the funniest quote of the week was inane Gov. Gray Davis boasting that California has "people from every planet." Yet here's another contender that didn't get as much publicity. Bill Clinton had a curious thing to say about himself as he commented on the presidential campaign of Wesley Clark, his fellow Dogpatcher and favorite tool of the month. Republicans, said Slick Willie, "think I betrayed the whole culture. They're mostly white, Southern male and Protestant, and I am one. I'm an apostate." We checked Merriam-Webster's Thesaurus. It came up with some other appropriate synonyms: defector, rat, recreant, runagate, tergiversator ("one who practices evasion"), turnabout, turncoat. Why did it take so many years for Bill Clinton to tell America the truth about himself?


Name:   gator prognosticator
To:   forum

Re:   Beuttering up "the useful idiot walking"
In response to:
“He’s ready, he’s willing, and he’s able,” Clinton said of Kerry while warming up the college crowd for his appearance. “John Kerry has never let his friends down, his crew down or his country down.” Kerry reciprocated by elaborately praising Clinton’s progress in the Senate since she arrived there in 2001 and mentioning several Clinton-era social programs and economic policies he intends to revive if elected president. Each time he mentioned the presidency of Bill Clinton, Kerry looked backward at Hillary Clinton and bent his tall, lanky frame in a polite bow, to the approving nods of Cli ...

Message:
Thoughts of the Presidential Wannabe" He's ready to pay his own way 'cause MOST of the money will go for MY campaign unless I'm on his ticket."

"He's willing to be my vehicle."

"He's mortal so he's ABLE to be my vehicle."

"He's checking out the babes just like ol' Bill would be."

"Don't know about his other "friends" but I just LOVE THIS GUY and he's gonna make me president!"

"Depends on the crew, the ketsup crew is fodder for his ambitions and if backing Hanoi Jane and the Viet Cong is boosting your country, hell I'm a booster,too!"


Name:   Buk
Message:

Vote Freedom! No KERRY!


Name:   No Dove Songs
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Name:   v
Message:
Thoughts of the Presidential Wannabe" He's ready to pay his own way 'cause MOST of the money will go for MY campaign unless I'm on his ticket." "He's willing to be my vehicle." "He's mortal so he's ABLE to be my vehicle." "He's checking out the babes just like ol' Bill would be." "Don't know about his other "friends" but I just LOVE THIS GUY and he's gonna make me president!" "Depends on the crew, the ketsup crew is fodder for his ambitions and if backing Hanoi Jane and the Viet Cong is boosting your country, hell I'm a booster,too!"


Name:   Burger Boy
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Name:   burger bun
To:   lof

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Name:   Joseph Cunningham Jr.
To:   Burger Boy

Message:
Is this the picture you were trying to post?
There is a secret method to posting pictures from sites which have been banned, like Strange Cosmos.

You are not even allowed to post links to such sites like I just did. Can you figure out the secret?


Name:   Joseph Cunningham Jr.
To:   Burger Bun

Message:
Personally, I prefer this particular picture from that site.


Name:   Joseph Cunningham Jr.
In response to:
...and finally...

A Bronx cheer for the French.

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Name:   Truth is in here
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Name:   Teebo
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U.S. National - AP

Cheney Says Kerry a Threat to Gun Owners 1 hour, 57 minutes ago Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!

By DAN NEPHIN, Associated Press Writer

PITTSBURGH - Vice President Cheney (news - web sites) portrayed President Bush (news - web sites) and himself as champions of the Second Amendment — and Democratic candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) as a potential threat to gun owners — in a speech at the National Rifle Association's 133rd annual convention Saturday.

"John Kerry's approach to the Second Amendment has been to regulate, regulate and then regulate some more," Cheney said, citing votes against legislation that would protect gun makers from lawsuits and in favor of allowing federal authorities to randomly inspect gun dealers without notice.

Cheney lauded the NRA for its safety programs and said the best way to prevent gun crimes was to enforce existing laws. Federal prosecutions of crimes committed with guns increased 68 percent under President Bush, he told the crowd.

Bush "has shown you respect, earned your vote and appreciates your support," Cheney said. Cheney spoke for about 25 minutes after he was greeted by a standing ovation punctuated by chants of "Four more years."

Cheney did not address the federal assault weapons ban, which expires in September, and which the NRA maintains has been ineffective.

Kerry, in a statement issued before Cheney's address, said "most voters don't know that (Bush and Cheney) are standing against major police organizations and breaking their promise to renew the assault weapons ban — which helps keep military-style assault weapons out of the hands of criminals and terrorists."

Earlier in the day, Tom Mauser, whose son, Daniel, was killed with an assault weapon in the Columbine High School killings five years ago, tried to enter the convention hall where the NRA was meeting, seeking to urge Cheney to support extending the assault weapons ban. Mauser was turned away by a security guard as several conventioneers applauded. A couple of conventioneers yelled "Get a life" and "Vote for Bush."

Mauser, who marched three blocks to the convention hall literally in his son's shoes, said before the march that continuing the ban would be common sense. "What is the useful purpose to these weapons? ... They are the weapons of gangs, drug lords and sick people." Mauser said. "It is a weapon of war and we don't want this war on our streets."

Mauser called the NRA "an organization with a Field-and-Stream-magazine membership but a Soldier-of-Fortune-magazine leadership." The NRA expected up to 60,000 people at its weekend convention, dubbed "Freedom's Steel." The association, which endorsed Bush and Cheney in the 2000 election, will not endorse a candidate until the fall, spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said. ___ Associated Press Writer Joe Mandak contributed to this report.


Name:   Burger Boy
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Name:   Working Mother
To:   Mysteriously Beguiled

Re:   An eerie light in the graveyard night.... what walketh here at this hour?
In response to:
Clinton Kerry 04

Message:
Our salad days are over, children. We're decades out of date, if not long dead. We never had a day, but we thought we did, what with our woeful lack of life-experience, the hormones, and, of course, the drugs. That was forty years ago. Our failed and murderous ideology, Socialism/Communism, actually had its day about ninety years ago. China in 1949 and Southeast Asia in the 1960's were simply bad relapses, like the second Great Plague.

I'm really just a frump and a misfit. That's all I ever have been, to tell the truth, which isn't something I do often. I actually went into the halcyon 60's bitter, unlike so many of my starry-eyed and hopeful contemporaries. Now, all these years later, most of my fellow 60's Radic-Libs are dead. Long dead. The survivors of that long-gone day, like myself, are aged and bitter old frumps.


Name:   Truth
Message:

A USAF Airman's Impression of John Kerry

Greeting Friends,

I was compelled to forward this along to you as a must read.  It's about Senator John Kerry... and how he is a surprisingly good role model for our Air Force.  Please read the following and then forward this again to folks you know so that you can do your part and do your civic duty.  Have a nice day.

waltjune@tnni.net

Subject:
From Air Force Pilot Chris Thomas

I would like to add my two cents about my John Kerry experience.  During my career as an Air Force pilot, I spent two years flying a small twin engine prop plane around the Pacific from my base in Okinawa, Japan.  On one trip we had to fly Senator Kerry, his congressional aide, and a Navy Captain (Vietnam, A-4 fighter pilot) who was also in Kerry's party to various locations in Vietnam and Cambodia as part of the  MIA/POW talks. When I met him, he was wearing a shirt with a picture of his sailboat on it.  I told him I had a 27' sailboat in Okinawa. He remarked "Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet."

Thanks, Senator, "I feel even better about the meager salary I get paid for flying your mega-wealthy ass around the Pacific."

When we first flew him into Phnom Penh, he went to the back of the airplane and grabbed the pizza that was put aside for the crew and passed it around to his staff.  He was never offered any pizza because they were supposed to have lunch with the Cambodian government when we landed.  The pizza was the crew's only meal for that day and he ate it. Then when we picked him up in Cambodia, he was an hour late getting to the airport.  Because fuel was an issue, we could not start the engines and therefore the air conditioning until he arrived. Phnom Penh at that time was over 100 degrees with 95% humidity and we were basically sitting in a greenhouse behind the cockpit windows. When he finally did arrive, we were wringing out our clothes from the perspiration.  He walks out of the air conditioned car, into the airplane and asks us "Could you guys get the air conditioning running, I'm a little warm?"

The other pilot had to physically restrain me from going back there and picking a fight. Then we took him into Noi Bai airfield in Hanoi. After we picked him up the next day (he stayed the night in Vietnam, we stayed in Bangkok) we taxied out, ran up the engines for takeoff, and noticed that our prop rpm was vibrating all over the place.  We taxied off to the side to look at it, but there was a good possibility that there was an engine malfunction and the engine may fail if we took off with it.

Well, Mr.  Senator sticks his head up in the cockpit and says "This plane WILL take off, I have a press conference in Bangkok in three hours!" (Maybe this is an indication of how he will run the FAA). American service members lives be damned, we had our Senatorial orders.  We ran the engines again, and did not have the problem, so we took off and made it back.  During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna (a small General aviation plane) up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter pilot remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I don't know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine a little,single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the "right stuff."

After Kerry left the plane, the Navy Captain came up to us, apologized and said basically that "he knows Kerry is a jerk" and that we should be glad we don't have to deal with him every day. 
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Your choice folks.  Elections in November.  You want a mega-millionaire ego-maniac it's-all-about-me crew-eating-pizza-ite like Kerry or maybe a Green Party candidate like Ralph Nader?  Or, God forbid, maybe even re-elect George Bush, a nice God fearing Christian bent on protecting us from terrorist attacks on US soil?  Hmmm, let's see?  Continued freedom under Bush or bombs in our backyard under Kerry (who will be sailing on his"minimum 135' yacht").

As Fox would say, "we report. You decide."


Name:   Radiclib Sunset
Re:   Socialism is all about THEFT.
In response to:
Most 60's Radic-Libs are dead. Long dead. The survivors of that long-gone day are aged and bitter old frumps.

Message:
We have not yet contrived a method of directly taxing the physical and sexual vigor of today's young people, or we would not for an instant hesitate to do so. So we must content ourselves with taxing their income in as many ways as we can devise, and converting it to our own purposes.


Name:   Israel Rocks Terrorists
To:   forum

Re:   Hamas understands and vows same old same old
In response to:
U.S. is happy for Iarael that fecal cranium diehard homicidal human debris are at last being terminated with the predijudice they have richly deserved for many years. Arafat , the most highly ranked of evil incarnate, has been primised his "ticket to 72" very shortly. NYT could be gloating about Terrorist bombers "success" returning since March 14. Possibly NYT ,is working on pro Saddam edition for Iraq but having trouble with the squiggly language.

Message:
An Israeli helicopter fired a missile at Rantisi's car in Gaza City, killing him and two bodyguards and injuring others. (Al Jazeera's web site has many photos of the carnage on the street.)

All the papers note that four hours before the air strike, a suicide bomber blew up an Israeli soldier and wounded several others. (It was the first successful Palestinian attack since March 14.)

Only the NYT, quoting an Israeli foreign ministry official, reports that the Rantisi hit had been planned for weeks and was not a tit-for-tat retaliation. (Despite this, White House spokesman Scott McClellan linked the two events.)

The British foreign secretary called the attack "unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive." The White House urged Israel to exercise restraint, but defended its right to fight terrorism. A "senior administration official" in the NYT is more upfront:


Name:   News Hound
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Student Trying to "Bomb" Kerry

By Eric Heyl
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, April 16, 2004

When it comes to waffles, Aunt Jemima should have it all over Ken Jacobson.

Auntie J is a legend in waffle and pancake circles; Jacobson is but a first-year Duquesne University law student. I'm not sure he even can cook.

But the queen of the Quaker Oats company never used her products to influence opinion in a presidential campaign. Jacobson's waffle production is meant to do just that, and early indications are he is having some success.

Jacobson, 23, of Shadyside, is the driving force behind an Internet effort to publicize the issue-waffling done by presumptive Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry. He is attempting to make the Massachusetts senator's campaign Web site -- www.johnkerry.com -- the first that appears after typing in the word "waffles" on Internet search engines.

As of Thursday, Kerry's site was the first Web page indexed when querying "waffles" on the Yahoo! and Lycos search engines, the fourth on MSN and the sixth on AltaVista. It doesn't show up on Google, which is to search engines what the English mastiff is to dog breeds -- a pretty darn big one.

Jacobson has been able to accomplish this feat less than two weeks after launching the crusade from his own little-known Web site, www.esoteric-diatribe.blogspot.com.

"I can't believe the response to this," he said. "It only took 11 days to conquer the Internet."

He did so employing a technique computer nerds refer to as "Google bombing." It occurs when a group of Web sites link to another Web page using specific words or phrases.

If enough people use the same keywords, the linked Web page becomes one of the first to surface when the keywords are queried into a search engine.

A self-described conservative political activist, Jacobson said he was inspired to act after a recent successful Google bombing of George Bush. The president's detractors successfully got his biography page on the official White House site as the first listing that popped up in a Google search of the phrase "miserable failure."

Linking Kerry with waffling seemed an appropriate retaliation, particularly after one of Kerry's early Democratic rivals for the nomination, Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, had accused him of doing so.

Jacobson has no plans to present a plate of waffles to Kerry during the candidate's scheduled appearance today at the University of Pittsburgh. "But I had given some thought to renting a costume and showing up dressed as a giant waffle," he said.

The waffle movement is politically motivated, but Jacobson also hopes it draws attention to the potential dangers if Google bombs start exploding more often in cyberspace.

"It seems the truth is doomed to become hopelessly obscured by special interests trying to spin the results of the most popular search engines to favor their point of view," he said.

Given that ominous implication, Jacobson said he eventually will stop playing Aunt Jemima and quit linking Kerry and waffles.

But probably not until after Election Day.

Eric Heyl is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review staff writer. He can be reached at eheyl@tribweb.com or (412) 320-7857.


Name:   uncle_derk@yahoo.com
To:   powers that be

Re:   Pls pay $20 for advice, so it's easier to follow
In response to:
Short of a $50 bounty for smoking small truck, $100 for buses and larger trucks, and $200 for armor, pilots will have little joy patroling Iraq's borders.

They are subject to attack by land-to-air and possibly other aircraft such as Migs from our friends. Migs shouls be $20 out of professional courtesy. All kills to be verified by wing cameras.

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Consider the Ocean (or Even the River)

"A military force has no constant formation, as water has no constant shape."

Translation: be flexible, be creative, and take whatever advantage or opportunity your enemy gives you. "Changing and adapting according to the opponent," Sun Tzu writes, "is called genius." Successful generals shape their strategy and structure their force to fit each circumstance. Ideologues and one-trick ponies need not apply.

Take Care of #1 (and the Rest Takes Care of Itself) "Being unconquerable lies with yourself; being conquerable lies with the enemy."

"In ancient times," writes Sun Tzu, "skillful warriors first made themselves invincible, and then watched for vulnerability in their opponents." Successful generals know they can't control the other guy. Confuse or fool or trap him, perhaps. But the other guy has to take the bait. So, a general's first job is to strengthen his own force. In that way, "a victorious army first wins and then seeks battle, while a defeated army first battles and then seeks victory."

Win Fast (or Don't Fight)

"It is never beneficial to a nation to have a military operation continue for a long time."


Name:   Aunt Jemima
Message:
waffles

John waffles Kerry

Hey, but why not vice-versa? John Kerry


Name:   Santiago
Message:
Let's get the Islamic terminology straight, once and for all:

Mosque = Terrorist Barracks

Red Crescent Ambulance = Munitions Supply Truck

Radical Muslim = REAL Muslim who follows the Koran

Moderate Muslim = A Trojan horse who quietly smiles and nods his head at the terrorists

Koran = a call to terror, murder, oppression, slavery, misogyny and backward culture

Infidel = all non Muslims and Muslims who are not on jihad (all doomed to die)

Holy Lands = all lands unfortunate enough to be or ever have been under the heavy yoke of Muslim terror, murder, oppression, slavery, misogyny

Islamic Pride = an insanely jealous hatred for every other culture that has left Islam groveling in its seventh-century dust.

CAIR = Crying Arabic Islamic Retrogrades

Minaret = Satan's jukebox

Burkha = Misogynistic Mobile Women's Prison

Rape = something the guys get to do, especially to those hottie infidel chicks! (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

Modern Technology = "Huh? Oh yes, that stuff the evil infidels make and maintain for us to use and kill them."

Allah = the Moon God, whose most important representative here on earth is that meteorite worshiped in Mecca

Little Boys = a man's pleasure machines

Paradise = a giant rape orgy for you - if you die while ruthlessly murdering innocent unsuspecting infidel women and children

U.S. Armed Forces = things to run away from or kill with booby-traps, unless you can take a cheap shot at them and then hide behind women and children or hide in a Mosque.

Christian Church = firewood

Synagogue = firewood

Buddhist Temple = firewood

Hindu Temple = firewood

Confucian Church = firewood

Jewish Restaurant = Bomb Demolition Depot



...and remember...
An Islamist wants to kill you.
A Muslim merely wants you dead.


Name:   F*ck islam
In response to:
Let's get the Islamic terminology straight, once and for all:

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Hey, this is GOOD!!!


Name:   Get Up, Get Down
Re:   9-11 is a Joke in This Town
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This week, National Security Adviser Dr. Condoleezza Rice found herself once again in the middle of a firestorm. Officials within the Clinton administration (in a blatant attempt to defer attention away from themselves) charged that they had warned the incoming President Bush about the emergence of so-called "boy bands." Dr. Rice is scheduled to meet with the "Commission on Why Music Sucks So Badly Today" later in the week.

The charges have once again thrown the White House through a in this rocky election year. Polls show that the race between President Bush and Senator John Kerry to be tightening, and the accusations that the Bush Administration ingored the N'Sync threat (if true) are certain to damage his credibility. This could end up being a major factor in the election.

"These allegations are completely false," said Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, on this week's Meet the Press. "We knew about The Backstreet Boys, and we were doing everything we could to stop American pop music from getting any worse than it already had become." Vice President Cheney was even more direct in his defense of President Bush. "Ask yourself this question - When did Hanson, O-Town, and 98 Degrees become so prevalent? That's right. In the 90's. President Bush and I are having to clean up just another in a long line of messes that the Clinton Administration has left for us."

Clinton's former Secretary of State, Madeline Fugbright was quick to point out that the whole "American Idol" phenomenon happened on Bush's watch, and he should have had ample warning. She initially blamed Dr. Rice for the popularity of such talentless hacks as Ryan Seacrest (a charge she backed off from later in the day). Both sides agree on the need to fight schlock rock music and feckless entertainment, but each side has a completely different approach. The Democrats seem content on treating this on a case-by-cases basis, whereas the Bush Administration sees this as a global threat which demands preemption on several fronts.

Scholars are quick to point out that Boy Bands (although seemingly everywhere these days) are nothing new, given such groups as The Monkees and 1910 Fruitgum Co. (which started during the turbulent LBJ Administration). Cultural scientists and music experts have been furious at BOTH administrations for not doing more to combat what they see as the death of music itself. Noted music expert Joe Somebody told the commission that there are virtually no good music acts today. "There's no Queen. There's no Eagles. And there sure as hell will never be another Beatles if this trend continues," he said to loud applause. Too true (and sad).

Dr. Rice's appearance before the commission could not come at a worse time for the administration. It has been announced that American Idol reject (and Vice Presidential candidate) William Hung has just signed a record deal.


Name:   Penny Basset
To:   Laundress

Re:   Kohn Kerry
In response to:
One hundred percent false.

Message:
Kerry is a poobucket pissant. It's his chosen life work, and he enjoys it immensely. Don't vote for him thinking that he will change. He can't change, nor would he if he could. What you see is exactly what you get.


Name:   Joules Byrne
To:   Teakettle Bandits

Re:   Kerry Kohn
In response to:
What you see is exactly what you get. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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For what it's worth, it would constitute an historic precedent were Americans to descend to inflicting Kohn Kerry upon the Presidency. He would be the first botoxed turd ever elected president.


Name:   bordertex
To:   forum

Re:   april 18, 2004 public opinion
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THE IRAQI BUSH MASSACRE AND THE ISRAELI ASSASSINATION MASSACRE

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For the second time in less than a month, Israel launches a missile deadly attack, after recieving american foreign aid from the bush Whitehouse for offensive purposes and assssinates a civilian as he rides in his car and causes, a massive raging revolt of terror acts forced out of self defense by those injured and hurt by the death of the assasinated civilian in Palestine

Yes, sadly again, Israel has resorted to the constant whining of "self defense" when it has been Israel who has been forcefully occuping major points of land in Palestine against the consent of the Palestinian Government and people

and sadly again, terror has struck the imprisoned Palestinian communities under the jewish curfews by Ariel Sharon, the prime minister of Israel, because unless terror keeps sweeping the streets and Palestinian blood keeps running like streams in the land where jesus walked

ISRAEL CANNOT CONTINUE BLEEDING OUR AMERICAN FOREIGN AID

but under the bush/cheney administration we have seen a committment to give Israel the ammuntion to drop on Palestinians and as a result the violence cycle never ends not because each assassination calls for revenge but because Ariel Sharon knows that only by causing violence can Israel obtain control of the borders as is being done today in the Gaza Strip

after parading the bush/cheney/sharon administrations, that peace was near due to the promise of Israel to remove its jewish fangs from the Gaza Strip but it just did not happen was not meant to happen and it was all a big red lie by not just Ariel Sharon but the bush administration who constantly comes to the rescue of Israel by dragging us into the war of terrorism in Iraq or who are we fighting now that no weapons of mass destruction were found?

and who are we fighting if Saddam Hussein is gone?

Americans must stop fooling ourselves and admit we have been deceived by the false reasons our troops are dying everyday in Iraq because in the end it is all about Bush's oil war, so that he, could have a political platform otherwise on what platform could bush run?

on the massive job employment loss in the Country? or on the deficit bush replaced the Clinton surplus with?

the Bush administration is out of touch with reality and if Israel really wanted peace, it would not taunt revenge of terror by killing one civilian sure to spur the passions of revenge

and if the slaughter by Israel was really self defense as the U.S. portrays to us the people after Israel tempts the retaliation, Palestinians would be dropping bombs in Israel but no, this are not armies of Palestine dropping bombs as a government on Israel in a declared war by Palestine

No, this is a deliberate act by murder by Israel of a civilian and killing him for his religious views

something like when the romans thought that by killing every child they could get to Jesus Christ

thinking they could wipe out the soul of the love for freedom by hacking up their Palestinian communities as Israel has done and imprisoning their children with jewish curfews

why are we fighting in Iraq a war of terror when it is Israel who is taunting the terrorists and why are our american troops fighting Sharon and Bush and Blairs terror war they have caused themselves to enlarge their political images?

at some point or another mothers and dads are going to ask themselves

IS THIS WHAT I BROUGHT MY SON TO THE WORLD TO DO?

TO DIE AT A VERY YOUNG AGE IN THE SLAUGHTER SAND JUNLGES OF IRAQ? TO BE CUT IN HALF BECAUSE BUSH WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF? IS THIS WHAT I BROUGHT MY SON TO LIFE? TO DELIVER HIM TO THE AMERICAN SAITAN IN IRAQ SO THAT HE CAN SATISFY HIS GLUTONY FOR POLITICAL BLOOD?


Name:   Diverse Crowd
To:   Bordertex, the reigning Tomato Queen of Yoakum!!

Re:   MMMM, GOOD!
In response to:
TO DIE AT A VERY YOUNG AGE IN THE SLAUGHTER SAND JUNLGES OF IRAQ? TO BE CUT IN HALF BECAUSE BUSH WANTS TO MAKE A PIZZA FOR HIMSELF? IS THIS WHAT I BROUGHT MY SON TO LIFE TO SMOKE MARLBOROS FOR? TO DELIVER HIM TO THE AMERICAN YOIL SAITAN IN IRAQ SO THAT HE CAN SATISFY HIS GLUTONY FOR POLITICAL BLOOD IN A PINTO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MOPAC FREEWAY???????? DO YOU HEAR ME JOHNNY CARSON??

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Do us all a favor, Bordertex. Make up a big batch of those delicious, hot and spicey goat burritos that you served everyone at the Tomato Tom Tom in down in Yoakum, Texas last year!


Name:   forum math
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but it's still fun reading because NOBODY is that stupid (stupid is not a banned word....)

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BORDERTEX = Pepe


Name:   Findish
Message:
I can now admit it. I was hooked on The Apprentice since the first time I watched, which was on the 5th week of the show (the episode concerning the flea market).

I think everyone knows the show's premise: Donald Trump holds a competition at business tasks among 16 young men and women, the final winner to be hired as his "apprentice" at a $250,000 annual salary. Each week, one person is fired.

I can now admit being a fan of the show because, in the end, the right man won: Bill Ramcic. In fact, with one exception, each time someone was fired, justice was done. The exception was Kwame Jackson who, in my judgment, should have been fired considerably earlier (perhaps after Heidi); aside from a smooth manner and a Harvard Business School degree, he had little to offer.

The Apprentice is a "reality show" that actually dealt with reality-- at least by the time I started watching. Each week a business task was assigned to the participants, who were divided into two teams. The tasks got progressively harder--from selling lemonade on the streets of Manhattan, to renting out an apartment, to, last night, managing two Trump events: a golf tournament and a benefit concert featuring rock-star Jessica Simpson. In each case, the standard of team-victory was: which earned more money.

Within the losing team, the standard by which the person to be fired was selected was Trump's judgment of whose performance showed he was least capable of managing of his, Trump's, businesses operations.

Trump made his decisions quite rationally, in the open, after getting the advice of two of his business associates who followed the teams around in their endeavors. In the board room, Trump grilled the members of the losing team as to what went wrong and who was responsible. He judged them not only on the basis of what they did but also how they explained or attempted to justify their performance to him.

Despite Trump's embarrassingly obvious self-promotion (he has to tell you that everything he owns is the best there is), despite his general lack of dignity, and despite his past sins regarding using eminent domain, what came through loud and clear was his no- nonsense, realistic attitude toward business.

Trump always stated the major reason for each firing decision. E.g., "Troy, you are a loose cannon; I can't have you managing one of my multi-billion dollar corporations; you're fired." Even when the judgments were a little subjective, they made sense--e.g., "I don't like excuses--you're fired."

Originally, I was suspicious that The Donald was going to do the winnowing on some phony basis--e.g., by what would boost ratings or what would make him look good to the public. Although political correctness may have played some role (the two black contestants were kept on longer than they should have been), there was no doubt as the weeks went by that the best performers were rising to the top. And the final winner, Bill, had demonstrated in action that he was the best candidate in every respect.

None of the 16 appeared to me to be unusually intelligent or outstandingly creative--and too little innovative thinking was in evidence--but Bill gradually emerged as the one with superior judgment, planning ability, and professionalism.

Through all the episodes, we watched some candidates accept the responsibility of facing facts while others evaded them, went to pieces emotionally, or just "hoped everything would work out somehow." And in the climactic episode, what sunk the second-place contender, Kwame, was his unwillingness to face and deal with the outright lie of one of his subordinates.

(For the record, there were a couple of cases of questionable honesty, such as Kwame pretending to be a celebrity basketball star and signing autographs, and Troy perhaps deceiving Katrina to get her to reveal valuable information, though this latter isn't fully clear.)

In addition to the entertainment value of the show--the fun of making your own judgment about the relative value of the contestants and cheering on your favorite--the show has a "social value," which is philosophical: it presents business in ... I was going to say, "a favorable light," but in fact it presents business as it actually is: as an activity that is exciting and challenging, that requires planning and persistence, an passionate pursuit in which value-creation, not failure and need, entitles one to rewards, and to move on to a wider sphere of action with a greater challenge. It was a weekly demonstration that success is not a matter of "the old-boy network" or "exploitation" or any of the vicious leftist caricatures, but of hard work, planning, courage, and practical wisdom.

But deeper than that is the show's sense of life. Wordlessly, it conveys the sense that wealth is good, achievement is good, ambition matters, success is attainable--that enjoying life on this earth is good. It is a concretization of "The American Dream."

The Apprentice should be beamed to the Middle East.

P.S. Please don't respond to me to point out this or that flaw or ugly side of the series. I'm aware of them. This is, after all, a TV show, and one made in today's uncultured culture. What matters is the ways in which this show offers something different from and superior to the rest.


Name:   Findish
To:   forum math

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BORDERTEX = Pepe

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I have to disagree with you there. While Bordertex is mad, pepe's posts read like an optometrist's eyechart.


Name:   bordertex
To:   forum

Re:   An American Saitan in Iraq
Message:

george bush is a disgrace to the country, to the people and to America and no longer are the people fooled by the republican party who instead of giving us laws on the issues we needed to have

this republican party only knows a war agenda to satisfy their political needs

today, while Israel commits targeted homicidal assassinations in Palestine and crosses over to Palestinian territory to commit such murderous acts

the american military is faced with the rage and violence of "self defense" of the Iraqi people for here is the real "self defense" where the american government has against U.N. consent crossed into Iraqi foreign borders to destroy and dismantle Iraqi infrastructure to allow american companies to bleed the $87 billion bush took to Iraq

yes, the $87 billion which could have been used here at home to feed the needy and house the homeless, to fund the social programs now removed by george bush with the threat of wiping out of the face of democracy

public education

or why else has the republican party of the bush/cheney administration catered and caved in to private religious charities running the education of our kids?

surely we cannot allow religious teachings trying to direct the children to one certain religion and surely the assassinations of leaders in Palestine have not been the assassinations of leaders armed with missiles from aircrafts against Israel

but they have been assassinations of leaders for their "religious views" or what suicide belt did Ransinni carry on his waist when cowardly assasinated by Ariel Sharon? who has by the way yet to answer for his crimes in Lebanon?

The United States has openly given to the eyes of the world, Irael the american foreign aid to in an offensive assaulting manner, oppress, intimidate, torment, harrass and kill Palestinian civilians and today there is no legitimate right for Isreal to subject the free Palestinian People to jewish curfews and who can stop this monster Ariel Sharon who seems to have escaped the war tribunal for his crimes in Lebanon doing to the Lebanese what he does to the Palestinian People?

today it is also known that the country of Spain under better leadership, will pull out its troops immediately or "as soon as possible" instead of leaving them to be the same as american sitting ducks placed there by the bush/cheney administration and what a good thing for Spain to do because why wait for more to die? to play into the terrorism of bush's oil war?

Spain did the right thing and is doing the right thing by not sacrificing spanish troops to fund bush's political oil war and it was about time Spain got on the ball with the reality of what this war massacre in Iraq has become, maybe it would be prudent for others to do the same thing since Saddam is nolonger in power and there are no weapons pointing our way at least none that we know of so far because we have sure made enemies to give them reason to attack us under this bush/cheney administration of this everyone can be sure that if we dont stop this american saitan he is going to drag us into a civil war where next will follow under a bush/cheney administration,the draft of american kids

ARE YOU AMERICA READY FOR THE BUSH OIL WAR DRAFT SO THAT MR. BUSH CAN HAVE AN ISSUE TO CONTINUE RAPING THE NATION the way he has done?


Name:   Wally Wahhabi
To:   Osama

Re:   Questionnaire for recruiting useful idiots
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ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE WORLD?

TAKE THIS FREE MORALITY QUOTIENT TEST!

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1. strongly disagree 2. disagree 3. undecided 4. agree 5. strongly agree

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1) Christian fundamentalists who deny a woman’s right to an abortion are morally equivalent to Muslim fundamentalists who deny a woman’s right to show her face in public.

2) Christian fundamentalists who denounce homosexuality are morally equivalent to Muslim fundamentalists who condone the extermination of Jews.

3) Targeted killing of Hamas leaders is morally equivalent to suicide bombing in a crowded marketplace.

4) The troops of Hizbolla are morally equivalent to the minutemen who fought in the American Revolution.

5) Muhammad’s decree against the killing of women and children during caravan raids demonstrates the same level of compassion as Jesus’ invocation to love one’s enemies.

6) Christian fundamentalists who describe Muhammad as a "terrorist" are morally equivalent to Muslim fundamentalists who describe Christians and Jews as "descendents of apes and s."

7) Those who inflame Muslim sensibilities are just as guilty of terrorism as Muslim terrorists.

8) Reports about terrorism committed by Muslims should always be balanced with reports about terrorism committed by non-Muslims.

9) 200 years of crusade (1096-1291) are just as significant as 1000 years of expansive jihad (649-1683).

10) One religion is as good as any other.

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SCORE GUIDELINES:

10 - Hopelessly American

11 – 19 -You need to spend more time watching NOW with Bill Moyers

20 – 39 - You may qualify for a high level position in the E.U.

40 - 50 - You may qualify for a high level position in the U.N.


Name:   Rublev
To:   Wally

In response to:
Questionnaire for recruiting useful idiots

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11) Bill Moyers should be president

12) Karen Armstrong should be appointed secretary of state


Name:   Karen Armstrong
In response to:
FREE MORALITY QUOTIENT TEST

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How can I complete this form if I think that Muhammad is MORE compassionate than Jesus, the troops of Hizbolla are morally SUPERIOR to the minutemen, and Christian fundamentalists are MORE misogynistic than the Taliban?


Name:   Citizen of the world wannabe
Re:   FREE MORALITY QUOTIENT TEST
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6) Christian fundamentalists who describe Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a "terrorist" are morally equivalent to Muslim fundamentalists who describe Christians and Jews as "descendents of apes and COCHINOS."

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This is B.S.

Everyone KNOWS that poverty is the SOLE cause of terrorism!


Name:   Karen Armstron wannabe
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9) 200 years of crusade (1096-1291) are just as significant as 1000 years of expansive jihad (649-1683).

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But everyone KNOWS that the Europeans usually greeted the jihadis as LIBERATORS!


Name:   Bill Moyers wannabe
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1) Christian fundamentalists who deny a woman’s right to an abortion are morally equivalent to Muslim fundamentalists who deny a woman’s right to show her face in public.

2) Christian fundamentalists who denounce homosexuality are morally equivalent to Muslim fundamentalists who condone the extermination of Jews.

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But everyone KNOWS that Christian fundamentalists would do the same if the constitution didn't mandate separation of church and state!


Name:   Edward Said wannabe
Re:   The myth of personal responsibility
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7) Those who inflame Muslim sensibilities are just as guilty of terrorism as Muslim terrorists.

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But everyone KNOWS that Western imperialism is the SOLE cause of terrorism!


Name:   News Watcher
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Celebrity Lawyer Cochran Hospitalized

LOS ANGELES (AP) - High-profile attorney Johnnie Cochran Jr. will temporarily curtail his work while recuperating from an neurological condition described as a "nervous breakdown", his publicist said.

Cochran has been known to suffer from bipolar disorder and takes anti-psychotic medication for schizophrenia.

The condition is not life-threatening and Cochran is expected to make a full recovery, Baker said.

Cochran, 66, is best known for representing former football star O.J. Simpson during his trial on murder charges in the stabbing deaths of his wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman.

Simpson was acquitted.

04/17/04 19:52

© Copyright The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.


Name:   Guardian columnist
Re:   Guess I'll have to re-hash the Crusades...
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8) Reports about terrorism committed by Muslims should always be balanced with reports about terrorism committed by non-Muslims.

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Who swiped my notes about 101 ways to re-tell the same story?

My researcher keeps coming up empy-handed on reports about abortion clinic bombings!


Name:   Milan
To:   Citizens of planet Chomsky

Re:   And now our GRAND PRIZE winners...
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4) The troops of Hizbolla are morally equivalent to the minutemen who fought in the American Revolution.

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Mike Moore eggs on terrorists in Fallujia and Najaf:

(Excerpt downloaded from www.michaelmoore.com)

Wednesday, April 14th, 2004

Heads Up... from Michael Moore

...First, can we stop the Orwellian language and start using the proper names for things? Those are not “contractors” in Iraq. They are not there to fix a roof or to pour concrete in a driveway. They are MERCENARIES and SOLDIERS OF FORTUNE. They are there for the money, and the money is very good if you live long enough to spend it.

Halliburton is not a "company" doing business in Iraq. It is a WAR PROFITEER, bilking millions from the pockets of average Americans. In past wars they would have been arrested -- or worse.

The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush? You closed down a friggin' weekly newspaper, you great giver of freedom and democracy! Then all hell broke loose. The paper only had 10,000 readers! Why are you smirking?...


Name:   From the other side
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Name:   Botox
Re:   Fresh Injections??
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VIDEO: Kerry's Iraq plan
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Kerry's Iraq plan
April 18: Mass. senator says he'd be willing to increase U.S. troop levels in Iraq, that that we would like a great U.N. role, both militarily and diplomatically.
Meet the Press


Name:   Meat the Prest
Re:   Botox? Never heard of it
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MR. RUSSERT:  Let me see if I can clean up a comment that you made in March that created an awful lot of controversy and stir.  "I have met more leaders who can't go out and say it publicly but, boy, they look at you and say, `You gotta win this, you gotta beat this guy, we need a new policy'--things like that. So there is enormous energy out there.  Tell them, wherever they can find an American abroad, they can contribute."

The Washington Times added this:  "Although Mr. Kerry indicated that he had met in person with foreign leaders who privately endorsed him, he has made no official trips abroad in the past two years.  Within the United States, he has had the chance to meet with only one foreign leader since the beginning of last year, according to a review of his travel schedule."

Specifically, which foreign leaders have you met with who told you that you should beat George Bush?

SEN. FLIP-FLOP KERRY:  Tim, first of all, that is an inaccurate assessment of how I might or where I might be able to meet or talk to a foreign leader, number one.

MR. RUSSERT:  But you have talked to foreign leaders who told you...

SEN. FLIP-FLOP KERRY:  Number--Tim, what I said is true.  I mean, you can go to New York City and you can be in a restaurant and you can meet a foreign leader. There are plenty of places to meet people without traveling abroad.  Number two, I'm under no obligation--I would be stupid if I were to sit here and start saying, "Well, so-and-so told me this," because they have dealings with this administration.  This administration doesn't talk about its private conversations, and nor will I.  I invite you, I invite The Washington Times editorial, go to European, go to foreign capitals, travel in the world.  Talk to any American businessman who has been abroad, talk to any of our colleagues who've traveled abroad, and the conversations they've had.  Never has the United States of America been held in as low a regard internationally--and polls have shown this--as we are today.  We're not trusted and this administration is not liked.

MR. RUSSERT:  So you stand by your statement, you met with foreign leaders who told you...

SEN. FLIP-FLOP KERRY:  I stand by my statement.

 

MR. RUSSERT:  When Geraldine Ferraro was selected in '84 by Walter Mondale she released her tax returns but didn't want to release her husband's tax returns.  You are now in a situation where you released yours but your wife has not released hers.  Mrs. Ferraro's husband ultimately released his tax returns to make sure there was not conflicts and so forth in terms of public scrutiny.  Will your wife release her financial data, her tax returns?

SEN. FLIP-FLOP KERRY:  Well, my wife is doing exactly what the law requires.  I mean, we have laws in
America, and the law requires that the candidate release their tax returns.  But we also have far more intrusive ethics forums today.  If you want to see what my wife's holdings are, plenty of people have, you can go to our Senate ethics forums.  It shows you almost entirely what we have.  It's very, very, very intrusive.  So, before people start getting excited about this, I think they ought to, number one, think about what the law requires and, number two, they ought to go look at those forums.  If they're not satisfied with that, we'll see where we are.

MR. RUSSERT:  But you may consider releasing them if necessary.

SEN. FLIP-FLOP KERRY:  My plan is to live by the law, Tim, and that's what we ought to do, and she is and she has.  And I say to you, go to those ethics forums and see if they don't satisfy you.

MR. RUSSERT:  Before we leave, this was John Kerry on March 10:

(Videotape, March 10, 2004):

SEN. FLIP-FLOP KERRY:  We're going to keep pounding, let me tell you.  Just beginning to fight, here.  These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group that I've ever seen.

(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT:  Who's crooked and lying?  The president?

SEN. FLIP-FLOP KERRY:  I was talking about the attack machine.  If you get on the Internet today, Tim, if you listen to what's on talk radio, and go out there and see the concerted, coordinated Republican attack machine, you will see an extraordinary level that demeans American politics.  And I think most Americans--you know what Americans want, Tim?  They want the truth.  They want an honest vision for our country.  I'm going to offer a real economic plan, unlike George Bush who's gone back on his promises on the war, back on his promises on children, broken his promises on the environment, broken his promises on job creation, broken his promises on health care, has no plan at all.  I have a plan on each and every one of those.  We're going to make this country stronger and safer, and we're going to take us to a better place.


Name:   Ed
To:   bordertex

Message:
You have crossed the line. There are many hate filled sites on the internet which you can spew your lies. Please go democratic underground and be with other hate filled people like you.


Name:   bordertex
To:   forum

Re:   the impeachment of george bush
Message:

Now about 9-11

lets stop fooling ourselves

we have been decieved by an administration who refused to warn the country of an Alqueda threat by a known terror cell

and over three thousand innocent victims were yanked from their daily routine in life and grabbed from their loved ones overnight as many victims jumped to their deaths from the burning towers in New York on September 11, 2001, not by choice, but because the bush/cheney administration failed to warn the public of an "Osama bin Laden threat to the U.S."

Yes, the information in that celebrated memo of August 6, Presidential Daily Briefing where george bush and the Whitehouse received warnings of danger to our country from the american intelligence agencies involved in that august 6, 2001 memo where in specific terms it was stated that threats were upon our country and which george bush failed to communicate to the public knowingly and intentionally

and no matter what the CIA director says that it would "take five years to fix the system" it should not take five years to have some president relate to us the taxpayers of this country when we are in danger due to written documentation given to george bush on August 6, 2001 because lets not forget and lets not get lost, if bush recieved it in writing,he had an obligation and he failed to warn the state of New York because by causing chaos and death and mental anguish to the world and grievers, george bush was forming for himself a political platform for what else could this appointed "president" run on?

the domestic failure he had already been for the country for giving the lucrative tax cuts to the rich on the spines of the middle classl and the poor?

George Bush does indeed deserve one ticket back to Texas to never ever!again hold office where he would be in a position to hurt humanity as this political republican leech has, sucking on the american bloodshed in Iraq to fatten up his political contribution pockets, on the coffins of american troops in Iraq this is all george bush's agenda is

and agenda of destruction war and fear and deterioriration of our Constitution when the republican party is only concerned with pleasing the gun lobby and its special interests who oil the engine that runs their evil campaign on the backs of the slave minimum wages in society where the working class has ceased to exist counting under republican administrations

America, our country deserves better and we need a new President so that we, the people of this country can have a say so in to the decisions being made regarding war vs. peace and the humiliation of an american economy gone down the drain under republican administrations

So now they want to say that because of a "1978 installed government wall" was the reason bush could not read the message he recieved on August 6, 2001, warning the country of danger to the United States?

ON THE EVENING OF THE MONTH OF AUGUST 6, IN THE YEAR 2001, THE GEORGE WALKER- CHENEY WHITEHOUSE ADMINISTRATION, KNOWINGLY AND INTENTIONALLY, FAILED AND REFUSED TO WARN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES A TERROR CELL HAD ISSUED A THREAT WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL TO USE "HIJACKINGS" AND "AIRCRAFT" and therefore in refusing to warn americans, the same ones which vote bush now seeks, underwent the pyschological trauma of the twin tower terror or "9-11"

NOT BECAUSE IT HAD TO HAPPEN

but because bush and cheney allowed it to happen


Name:   YGBSM!
In response to:
SEN. FLIP-FLOP KERRY: Tim, first of all, that is an inaccurate assessment of how I might or where I might be able to meet or talk to a foreign leader, number one. MR. RUSSERT: But you have talked to foreign leaders who told you... SEN. FLIP-FLOP KERRY: Number--Tim, what I said is true. I mean, you can go to New York City and you can be in a restaurant and you can meet a foreign leader.

Message:
Want some foreign policy to go with those fries, sir? Would you like to super-size it? Man, this d!ckhead looks Klintoon look like a f*cking rookie!


Name:   bordertex
To:   forum

Re:   the impeachement of george bush and his failed policies
Message:

because come on lets face it

by the time June and August of 2001 rolled around after the tax breaks to the rich and the economy starting to go down the drain, george bush was under the illusion that the spending of the mediocre tax breaks the lower classes received vs. the rich's tax cuts of the wealthy would spur the economy around and this was insanely sad the economic movement mr. bush referred too in his false promises to an already tired of the bush lies America who has seen first hand what the thirst for power can do to a political ambition which has escalated to the coffins of american troops in Iraq after,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a war has been declared over since May of 2003.

YES ALMOST ONE YEAR AGO, the bush administration announced the "war in Iraq over"

but then it had never been a war at all in fact, it was an american forced occupation much like what Israel has done in Palestine with its forced occupation of Palestinian territory raising the level of self defense to the degree of suicide missions for how else can defenseless people against occupation respond?

Today the Palestinian People grieve for the loss of their loved one who had many years to live had he just been a slave to Israel but this was not the case with the second jamas leader to be publicly assassinated by target by the Israeli government for voicing his opposition to the Israeli government because remember now no civilian is safe in Palestine if Ariel Sharon thinks you may be a leader of the right to self defense from Israeli occupation

Now after the Israeli two murderous acts of assassination by target of a civilian the anti Israeli occupation groups have vowed to "keep secret" the identity of any further leader of the jamas because this are the chains of the slavehood Israel has forced on the Palestinian people humiliating them with jewish curfews to the eyes of the world and subjecting them to third world conditions in a time when the crucifixtion of Christ roams around the world when just yesterday "he died on the cross for us"

I guess I just do not understand how our country can keep pretending the massacre by Israel is "self defense" after we given under the bush administration Israel, the weapons to deliver upon the Palestinian people and how can we can turn around Israel is the attacked when it is Israel doing all the attacking and provocation of the suicide missions sure to respond for the slaughter of assasinations committed by Ariel Sharon

George Bush and his cronies all need to be removed from office so that we, the people of this country can regain control of the Constitutional rights afforded to us under the American Constitution because with bush in office not even the Constitution or the people or the children are safe and when the bush admininstration sides with the gun lobby to distribute weapons of mass destruction in our streets as assault weapons where no law enforcement is safe

then the country is in a bigger danger because since when have we needed AK-47's to kill the innocent deer waiting to get shot by some hunter and sure there aint nothing wrong with hunting but since when do hunters need A-K 47's or Magazines to kill a deer?

The bush administration is danger to society because in trying to please the gun lobby george bush threatens to scratch the "assault weapons bill" in place to prevent further destruction of human life in crimes where guns are used and the republican party should be ashamed of itself for trying to make the streets of America more dangerous instead of safer because an assault on the assault weapons ban is a direct assault on society the society who can together remove george bush from office


Name:   Jelly Taco
To:   Bordertex

Re:   The HORROR!
In response to:
NOT BECAUSE IT HAD TO HAPPEN but because bush and cheney allowed it to happen

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You don't matter, Bordertex. Neither does Hillary. The Grateful Dead don't matter either, and they never did. Not one damned bit! Cheney is the devil himself, and you are in hell Bordertex! You are beyond salavation. No matter who runs or how many votes they get, Cheney will always win. Cheney is sending Ashcroft out right now to put greenhouse gases into your refrigerator. He drives a little truck with a tank on the back of it, and he uses a portable spray-injector like the Orkin man uses. Under the influence of th gases, you will begin to lose weight, think rationally, and seek gainful employment! Within a few months time, you will be driving a late-model car and you join a good country club.


Name:   Leone Horticulture
To:   Bordertex

Re:   Who needs guns?
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then the country is in a bigger danger because since when have we needed AK-47's to kill the innocent deer waiting to get shot by some hunter and sure there aint nothing wrong with hunting but since when do hunters need A-K 47's or Magazines to kill a deer?

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I've managed to take down a 28-point buck simply by flashing an unopened Marlboro hard-pack at him from 240 yards out! Others have reported similar results using McDonald's Happy Meals.


Name:   HOK
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Socialism is Grand!


Name:    Mays
To:   Bordertex

Re:   Assaults upon ass-ault St. Marie
In response to:
America more dangerous instead of safer because an assault on the assault weapons ban is a direct assault on society the society who can together remove george bush from office --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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You don't need an army or even a thundering horde of Huns, Bordertex. All you need to remove those stubborn Bushes is my new giant tub of OXYKLEEN! Only 19.95 if you order in the next 5 minutes!


Name:   Welfare Kills
Re:   Boy raised by dog dies on welfare
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From correspondents in Bangkok April 12, 2004

A THAI boy who was partially raised by a dog was found dead at a welfare centre where he had been taken for protection, police and welfare officials said today.

Two-year-old Prateep Chumnoon made headlines in the Thai media last year when he was taken from his impoverished 60-year-old grandmother who regularly left him in the care of her pet.

The toddler's body was discovered early Sunday morning inside a high plastic container used for laundry at a welfare centre in the southern Thai province of Nakhon Si Thammarat, local police said.

Welfare officials reportedly removed Prateep from his grandmother's care after neighbours alerted them that the boy had began making dog, rather than human, sounds.

"She left him at home with the dog while she went out for work," chief provincial welfare officer, Theerasak Kwanphet said.

Theerasak said an internal investigation had been ordered into the boy's death.

A police spokesman said the boy had died from injuries that might have been caused by a fall into the container.

"We are investigating as doctors do not know yet whether his death was accidental or not," the police spokesman said.


Name:   Good Night
To:   Bordertex ,LOF Sickness

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There are politics on this Forum that won't allow some people to post their sick opinions. The double standard allows for some to post their "sickness" while others are banished or deleted. Go figure


Name:   OPER
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Shamelessly stolen from another site.

6:00pm - Opening flag burning ceremony. 6:30pm - Anti-war rally no. 1. 6:40pm - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 7:00pm - Tribute theme to France. 7:10pm - Collect offerings for al-Zawahri defense fund. 7:22mp - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 7:25pm - Tribute theme to Spain. 7:45pm - Anti-war rally no. 2. (Hosted by Michael Moore, Jane Fonda Key

Note Speaker) 8:25pm - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 8:30pm - Terrorist appeasement workshop. 9:00pm - Gay marriage ceremony. 9:25pm - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 9:30pm - * Intermission * 9:55pm - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 10:00pm - Flag burning ceremony no. 2. 10:15pm - Re-enactment of Kerry's fake medal toss. 10:20pm - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 10:30pm - Cameo by Dean 'Yeeearrrrrrrg!' 10:40pm - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 10:50pm - Pledge of allegiance to the UN. 11:00pm - Double gay marriage ceremony. 11:10pm - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 11:15PM - Maximizing Welfare workshop. 11:30pm - 'Free Saddam' pep rally. 11:59PM - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast. 12:00pm - Nomination of Democratic candidate. 12:01pm - Ted Kennedy proposes a toast and invites all the interns for a

seminar on defensive driving at his place with Bill Clinton.


Name:   Bruce Walker
Re:   More Great News In The Battleground Poll
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As I have noted in several past articles, the Battleground Poll is the most accurate, most balanced and most understandable of all the myriad polls which float in and out of daily news. One Republican and one Democrat polling organization collaborate to provide a detailed, objective and accurate analysis of public opinion. The Battleground Poll does not ask questions like "Which would you prefer more, reelecting President Bush or preventing Armageddon?"

The last of four Battleground Polls in the Bush Presidency was released today, and the fundamentals six months before November 2004 are encouraging. President Bush has a plurality of support of forty-three percent, greater than the combined totals of John Kerry and Ralph Nader.

As the questions delve into the reasons why voters are not supporting President Bush, worry about health care, education, tax cuts for the rich, and the environment - issues which almost inevitably will put a Republican candidate at a disadvantage - are trivial issues to the vast majority of Americans. Environment, for example, receives a paltry four percent of the vote in that poll question. The economy and terrorism are clearly keys to this election.

Three critical indicators, reflecting two different values, strongly favor the President. Thirty-eight percent of Americans strongly favor President Bush, while thirty-six percent strongly oppose President Bush, a positive plurality of two points. Twenty-six percent of Americans strongly favor John Kerry, while twenty-seven percent strongly oppose the Senator, giving him a negative plurality of minus one point.

That likeability or favorability shows up in another question, which asks people what they think of President Bush as a person. A whopping forty-four percent of Americans strongly like President Bush as a person, but a piddling nineteen percent of Americans strongly dislike him as a person.

The ratios do not change when people with less intense feelings are included. Sixty-four percent of Americans approve of President Bush as a person, while only twenty-seven percent disapprove of him as a person. The polarization of American opinion, long sought by the Left in this election, has worked, although not in the way Leftists wished: Americans really like this man.

The second value relates to the honor of President Bush. Asked in different ways, Americans agree that President Bush is "honest and trustworthy" and "says what he believes" to a significantly greater degree than John Kerry. Those numbers dovetail perfectly with other polls showing that Americans believe in the integrity of President Bush.

The negatives about President Bush all revolve around current problems, not the man in the White House. People are understandably anxious about the economy and worried about terrorism. These fears are constantly hyped by the Leftist establishment, which creates a two edged sword for them.

The economy, of course, is growing stronger each month. Every significant measurement of economy health is positive and improving. When that reality sinks into American consciousness, voters who want to vote for President Bush but are considering not because of the economy will swing to the President.

The war on terrorism has endured some heavy bumps in recent weeks, but that too will inevitably change. When good news comes, as it surely will