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You folks seem to have lost all sense of decorum and decency. You seem to be without any guiding principles except to win at any cost and to otherwise to go to any length to force your Socialist ideas upon your fellow Americans while using government power in myriad ways, both occult and overt, to rob them of their substance and their liberties while accumulating power and special privileges unto yourselves.

You have accellerated your long-standing and shameful practice of exploiting the gullible and uneducated among us with all manner of lies, false promises, and artful double talk, while actively compromising their freedom and opportunity for self-betterment in any number of devious ways.

You work tirelessly to undermine and erode legitimate national undertakings, and lose no opportunity to attempt to subvert our national sovreignity to that corrupt snakepit laughably known as "The United Nations" as well as to such monstrous horrors as "The World Court".

You put forward and vigorously support all manner of liars and scoundrels, not excluding Ku Klux Klansmen and murderers, installing these in public office by hook or by crook, to the great detriment of our national interests, and you continue your vehement support of these liars and scoundrels, often for decades, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence of their unfitness and even criminality.

I would have to be far gone in extremism... an extremism of FOOLISHNESS, to consider supporting your absurd presidential ticket with or without the odious Hillary Clinton thereon!

Name:	ET
To:	Individual

In response to:
What have Americans gained from the war? The Iraqi people may, in the long run, benefit if another dictatorship of Shiites doesn't take over. But what have the American people gained? And why do Americans always have to pay the main price for removing brutal dictators?

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I'm asking myself the same thing. We American go into foreign countries to help them and are worse off for having done so. What did we get from Kosovo? We got rid of a brutal dictator but the jihadis moved into Kosovo and they are attacking Serbia. What have we gained?

Name:

Individual

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both occult and overt, to rob them of their substance and their liberties while accumulating power and special privileges unto yourselves.

Message:
Sounds like General Ripper in "Dr. Stangelove." Rob them of their essence.

Name:

Individual

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What did we get from Kosovo? We got rid of a brutal dictator but the jihadis moved into Kosovo and they are attacking Serbia. What have we gained?

Message:
Don't know. We did help to soldify our relationship with Europe and NATO. Thanks to Clinton, we had virtually no casualties, unlike the current situation.

Name:	Individual
Re:	Don't we understand

Message:
These are religious nuts that we are fighting. Remember the crusades? Remember the Inquisition? Religious nuts don't die easily. How long was it before the Pope admitted that he wasn't infallible? Hundreds of years.

Name:	bordertex
To:	forum
Re:	right wing extreme comments

Message:

hey there so called "american" you cannot really be from this country if you are trying to blame the bush faults on the Democratic Party and you cannot really be saying the truth when refering to the U.N. by calling it a "snakepit" because for one the only snakepit is the bush whitehouse and the only destructive force in this country who has caused massive job loss has been the bush/cheney administration so please set your sorry record straight because the democracy of the peace rather than war as bush prefers is a very big democracy around the world and mothers and fathers would rather have their troops safe at home than with scattered limbs on the bush bloodrivers of Iraq

but I can understand trying to make fools understand the truth because because most ofthe time they turn their face from the facts and the ones paying the price are our young brainwashed troops in the second Vietnam

so let us be fair in placing the blame where it belongs because remember people

ON AUGUST 6, 2001, BUSH/CHENEY/RUMSFELD/RICE failed to warn the people of this country the same people they ripped off in the 2000 elections because this is all treasonous traitors to the country can do and it is not fair to try to tell the people or this forum that the democratic party needs any ammunition to attack bush because bush has opened up the biggest graves on foreign soil all by himself with his republican cronies because remember people it is now 2004 and in 2000, bush was forced by appointment to office and it was bush who was "commander in chief" when he ordered the assault on Iraq dont you all remember when that republican maggot blinked his eyes and told us in his idiot voice that the threat "by Iraq was imminent?" BUSH LIED AND RUMSFELD KEEPS LYING AND CANDOLEEzA THINKS SHE IS GETTING AWAY WITH HER LIES BUT GUESS WHAT BLACK NAZI CANDOLEEZA, THOU WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO FART ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE YOU BASTARDA REPUBLICANA TRAITOROUS TO THE COUNTRY

Name:	Emily Post
To:	BastardaTex

Message:
CONDI DOESN'T FART...SHE PASSES WIND

Name:	Editor
To:	bordertex

Message:
bordertex you are too extreme and you are attracting extremists. Calm down.

Name:	Bad Newz For BorderTex
Re:	Poll finds Rice favored over Clarke

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American voters back presidential adviser after 9-11 testimony

Posted: April 10, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Half of American voters had a favorable view of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice after her testimony before the 9-11 commission, while just 24 percent were unfavorable.

In contrast, former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke – whose contrary testimony prompted Rice's dramatic appearance Thursday – is seen in a favorable light by just 27 percent of voters and unfavorably by 42 percent, according to a Rasmussen poll.

Rasmussen said its polling showed President Bush recording his best single night of polling in over a week, just after Rice's testimony.

Yesterday's tracking showed Sen. John F. Kerry leading Bush 46 percent to 44 percent.

Seventy-one percent of Americans said they followed news stories of the Rice testimony somewhat or very closely.

Among those people, Rice was viewed favorably by 56 percent and unfavorably by 28 percent.

An earlier survey by Rasmussen found half of all Americans thought Clarke made his accusations against President Bush to help sell books or help the Kerry campaign.

Among Republicans, Rice is viewed favorably by a 70 percent to 12 percent margin.

Democrats are evenly divided, Rasmussen said, with 35 percent holding a favorable opinion and 37 percent an unfavorable opinion.

Unaffiliated voters have a generally positive view of the national security adviser – 44 percent favorable, 26 percent unfavorable.

Democrats are divided about Clarke as well, with 36 percent having a favorable opinion of him and 28 percent holding an unfavorable view.

Sixty-five percent of Republicans have an unfavorable opinion of Clarke while just 10 percent have a favorable opinion.

Those not affiliated with either party hold views similar to Democrats – 37 percent favorable, 28 percent unfavorable.

Name:	Blomquist
To:	Individual

In response to:
Sounds like General Ripper in "Dr. Stangelove." Rob them of their essence

Message:
Just their paychecks and their liberty, LIAR.

Name:	Azerbaidshan Goudaillier
To:	Joachim von Ribbontrop

Message:
I feel that you should be informed that your website seems to be being targeted by the Nigerian fraudsters who have replied to 3 of my recent ads in the " I would like to buy your MP5A3. I have a friend in England who owes me money and he will put £x into your bank a/c from which you can take £y and send me the balance. Just send me your Bank details and address and passwords etc...". Perhaps you should consider putting a caveat at the top of your page to warn the unwary among your readers, as these Nigerians specialise in 'identity cloning'. Sincerely, and thanks for your website. PLEASE BE ON YOUR GUARD.

Name:	Julio Reyes
To:	Individual Marxist
Re:	We WERE the Crusaders, you damned idiot!!

In response to:
These are religious nuts that we are fighting. Remember the crusades? Remember the Inquisition? Religious nuts don't die easily. How long was it before the Pope admitted that he wasn't infallible? Hundreds of years

Message:
You really are stupid, aren't you? Perhaps you are less of a LIAR and more of a FOOL than I have previously concluded.

The greatest systems of torture chambers and dungeons ever to exist upon this planet are those instituted by, and in some cases still maintained by, your fellow Socialists-Communists. THERE IS NO MORE MURDEROUSLY FANATICAL A GROUP OF EVANGELISTS TO BE FOUND ANYWHERE THAN THE EVANGELICAL SOCIALIST COMMUNIST TRUE-BELIEVERS! THEY TURNED THE TWENTIETH CENTURY INTO THE GREATEST BLOODBATH IN HUMAN HISTORY!! The greatest human slaughters ever perpetrated are those perpetrated by your fellow Socialist/Communist fanatics upon their own countrymen.

Name:

Individual

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As fighting continues, quest to bring democracy to Iraq nears failure. By Warren P. Strobel. Knight Ridder Newspapers. WASHINGTON - President Bush invaded Iraq hoping to spread democracy across the Middle East, but after the worst week of violence since Saddam Hussein was overthrown, he's now struggling to avoid a costly, humiliating defeat.

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Well, well, well. Bush doesn't get it. It's religious zealotry, stupid.

Name:

Individual

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THERE IS NO MORE MURDEROUSLY FANATICAL A GROUP OF EVANGELISTS TO BE FOUND ANYWHERE THAN THE EVANGELICAL SOCIALIST COMMUNIST TRUE-BELIEVERS! THEY TURNED THE TWENTIETH CENTURY INTO THE GREATEST BLOODBATH IN HUMAN HISTORY!! The greatest human slaughters ever perpetrated are those perpetrated by your fellow Socialist/Communist fanatics upon their own countrymen.

Message:
Agreed. And there are still some around--Cuba, NK, China. The religious zealots have lasted for over a thousand years and are still going strong. As I said, how long did it take the Pope to admit that he is fallible? Bush doesn't have a clue about who he is dealing with.

Name:

White Only

Message:
LENI-LENAPE PISTOL CLUB - For information contact Keith Davis, 61 Lindy Lane, Boyertown, PA 19512 or call (215)369-0608 or write the club at P.O. Box 55, Boyertown, PA 19512

Name:	American
To:	Individual, Socialist Shill

In response to:
Rob them of their essence.

Message:
Exactly!! How very astute, Individual, and how uncommonly honest of you!

Socialism does indeed rob human beings of their essence. It reduces them to state chattel. Mere livestock, dependent upon their keepers for sustenance and shelter, as well as for the management of their most basic personal affairs, and deprived of the opportunity to live a fully adult and independent human existence with all its numerous hazards and countless rewards.

If you doubt the truth of this, go into the Socialist-administered ghettos of our major cities and witness the wholesale degradation of the aimless, hopeless unfortunates who live and die there. Their misery often spans generations, and that is a phenomenen rarely seen among those people, no matter how initally disadvantaged they may be, who resist the blandishments of the American Socialists (aka Democrats) and who stay in the free economy (aka "private sector") to advance and prosper as fully adult, fully functional citizens of the republic of the United States of America.

Name:

Individual

Message:
I hope that when Kerry gets in, he puts heavy pressure on all Islamic clerics, especially the militant ones, to denounce suicide bombing which targets civilians--and denounce it in no uncertain terms and prominently. It's the religious zealots.

Name:

Individual

In response to:
Socialism does indeed rob human beings of their essence. It reduces them to state chattel. Mere livestock, dependent upon their keepers for sustenance and shelter, as well as for the management of their most basic personal affairs, and deprived of the opportunity to live a fully adult and independent human existence with all its numerous hazards and countless rewards.

Message:
I wouldn't like to live in Sweden, either. It's too cold up there.

Name:	Julio Reyes
To:	Individual

In response to:
As I said, how long did it take the Pope to admit that he is fallible?

Message:
Who the hell cares? Did anyone ever really believe that he was? What if they did? How many divisions has the Pope, anyhow?

HOW LONG WILL IT BE BEFORE YOU WISE UP, INDIVIDUAL, AND REALIZE THAT THE CLINTONS ARE NOT INFALLIBLE?

Name:	Milan
To:	individual
Re:	The Karen Armstrong Award finalists

In response to:
These are religious nuts that we are fighting. Remember the crusades? Remember the Inquisition? Religious nuts don't die easily. How long was it before the Pope admitted that he wasn't infallible? Hundreds of years

Message:
The Crusades happened nearly 1000 years ago, and the Inquisition ended about 3-400 years ago.

THE POPE HAS APOLIGIZED FOR BOTH

(to both the Jews and Muslims).

Furthermore, the Crusades are hardly "equivalent" to Muslim jihad because there is nothing in the gospels justifying holy war.

NOTHING!

Name JUST ONE Muslim leader that has apoligized for the Muslims brutal conquests of Spain, India, Russia, and Eastern Europe.

Name JUST ONE Muslim leader who has apoligized for the eslavement of tens of thousands of Irish and French by raiding Barbary pirates between the 16th to 18th centuries.

Name JUST ONE Muslim leader who has renounced the very idea of military jihad.

Why are you so so obessed with "Christian oppression" when millions upon millions are living under the heavy boot of sharia law, and the world is being torn apart by jihad?

Can you name JUST ONE network of worldwide terrorists inspired by the teachings of Jesus?

Your bigotry towards Christianity is nauseating. Get over it.

Name:	American
To:	Individual

In response to:
I wouldn't like to live in Detroit, either. It's too cold up there

Message:
So try South Central L.A. or Broward County, Fla.

Name:	Americans
To:	ET
Re:	Aciete de Puercos

In response to:
Giant Burrito Delete!

Message:
We don't need you to protect us from p!g oil!

Name:	American
To:	Milan
Re:	!

In response to:
Your bigotry towards Christianity is nauseating. Get over it.

Message:
Thank you, Milan.

Name:

No Way

In response to:
bordertex you are too extreme and you are attracting extremists. Calm down.

Message:
Bordertex is no more extreme than Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle or James Carville. Why pick on Bordertex while giving a pass to Hillary?

Name:	Armstrong Williams
To:	ET

In response to:
What have we gained?

Message:
Members of Al Qaeda had planned to launch additional September 11 style attacks on The Library Tower in Los Angeles and the Sears Tower in Chicago, according to transcripts from the interrogation of Khalid Shakh Mohammed, Al Qaeda's Chief Operating Office.

The transcripts, published by a British newspaper, reveal that Al Qadea had planned a second wave of attacks on the heels of September 11 targeting the west coast. Those plans were aborted, Mohammad said, because of President Bush's decisive crackdown on terrorist threats.

This suggest two things: 1) Thousands and possibly millions of lives were saved because President Bush took the battle to them; 2) Al Qadea assumed we would offer a small, measured response to September 11 attacks. That is to say, they assumed we were soft.

They had good reason. For the better part of the 90's, our foreign policy has offered largely symbolic responses to growing terrorist threats. In 1998 Al Qaeda blew up the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, killing 224 individuals.

In 2000 they detonated a bomb alongside the USS Cole in Yemen, killing 17 servicemen. There is strong evidence that Al Qaeda organized the 1993 bombing of the world Trade center.

Just as there is strong evidence that Syria and Iran funneled money and personnel into the terrorist organization that had declared war on our way of life. Just as they had backed Hezbollah, the group that bombed a US Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983, killing 241 individuals.

So how did the US respond to these brutal terrorist attacks? Mostly with small, measured gestures, like hurling a few missiles at an abandoned Al Qaeda training facility, or trying to indict specific terrorists as criminals, rather than confronting the rogue states that were sponsoring them.

After the headlines faded, we curled back into the fetal position. Our response told the world that we were soft. It proclaimed that the United States was built on false stilts, that we could be yanked down. It encouraged our attackers.

This is why Saddam Hussein believed in 1991 that if he tied US Soldiers to the front of his tanks, he could sweep undeterred into Kuwait. It is why Al Qaeda thought our society would crumble if they crashed some planes into our buildings.

President Bush did something far more reasonable. He offered a disproportionate response. He bombed Afghanistan. He declared his intent to snuff out the terrorist organizations that had declared war on us. And then, perhaps most importantly, he bombed Iraq.

His bold and decisive response demonstrated in no uncertain terms that America would not willingly stand by and wait for another attack, which was important, because up until recently, that was very much in doubt.

Now that we have a base of operations in Iraq, we can convincingly offer the leaders of Saudi Arabia and Iran a choice: make peace with us or peace with terrorists. If it is peace with terrorist, they will have to pay a heavy price. If they chose peace with us, they must crack down on the terrorist groups that operate within their sphere of control. They can no longer have it both ways.

The ripple effect has been plain to see: Libya has voluntarily pledged to disclose and dismantle all of its weapons of mass destruction programs, including a uranium enrichment project for nuclear weapons. As a result, the world is being made safer.

I am reminded of when former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took office and promptly set about cracking down on the terrorist organizations that had declared war on Israel. The international media quivered at his response.

It should however be noted that under Netanyahu's stewardship, suicide bombings were nearly non existent and Israel managed treaties with neighboring Egypt and Jordan.

This tenuous peace came about not because Arab societies suddenly recognized the inalienable value of basic human rights, but because Netanyahu had made clear that Israel would not be dislodged.

America has finally done the same. That newfound resolve is paying dividends. Terrorists are being rounded up, regimes that harbor and sponsor them have been defeated, and states pursuing weapons of mass destruction are getting the message. At the same time, America is making it possible for democracy to spread throughout the world.

Something to think about when you vote this election, because whether you like it or not, you will be sending a message to the rest of the world about the consequences of sponsoring terrorist organizations and developing illegal weapons programs.

Name:	ET
To:	Armstrong Williams

In response to:
America has finally done the same. That newfound resolve is paying dividends. Terrorists are being rounded up, regimes that harbor and sponsor them have been defeated, and states pursuing weapons of mass destruction are getting the message. At the same time, America is making it possible for democracy to spread throughout the world. Something to think about when you vote this election, because whether you like it or not, you will be sending a message to the rest of the world about the consequences of sponsoring terrorist organizations and developing illegal weapons programs.

Message:
Thank you for you heart-warming post. We need to reminded of our achievements.

Name:	ET
To:	No Way

In response to:
Bordertex is no more extreme than Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle or James Carville. Why pick on Bordertex while giving a pass to Hillary?

Message:
I am an equal-opportunity deleter. Anybody that goes to vitriolic extremes gets deleted.

Name:	American
To:	Individual Kerry Shill
Re:	Klueless Kerry

In response to:
I hope that when Kerry gets in,

Message:
Kerry is "in" right NOW, you fool! He is a senior United States Senator. He has used his position to do more active obstructing of the war on terror than anything else, and while he DID vote for it, he has since very publicly flip-flopped. John Kohn Kerry does one thing surpassingly well, and that is to publicly demonstrate that he is a pissant political HACK of the first rank, and that he is not even close to being fit to be president of his own lame fan club, let alone the United States of America. That is true in these times, or in ANY times!

Name:	ET
To:	Milan

In response to:
Furthermore, the Crusades are hardly "equivalent" to Muslim jihad because there is nothing in the gospels justifying holy war.

Message:
Milan, thanks for being here. I'm very grateful for the lessons you teach us.

These are difficult times. As you know I supported Bush in the Iraq war. But there were not enough troops, and we're paying for it now.

That was Rummy's idea. It worked in the beginning but not now.

I shivver at the thought that we may have to pull out without succeeding. This makes me very sad.

Name:	on the fence liberal
To:	American

Message:
Kerry is weak. Even liberals can't believe we are stuck with him.

Name:	ET
To:	American

Message:
When I think about the economy, the environment, and the liberal world I love I must support the Democrats, but when I think about the war there is no doubt the right know what they are doing and who the enemy is. The left are still trying to figure it out.

A lot of people are being torn between these two very important issues.

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	No power on earth outside the U.S. can force us to pull out of Iraq.

In response to:
I shivver at the thought that we may have to pull out without succeeding. This makes me very sad. [THEN DON'T VOTE FOR THE DEFEATIST/APOLOGIST KERRY-X TICKET!!]

Message:
You have an incredible defeatist attitude. I have lost count of how many times you have given up, and I have lost count of the inconsequential incidents that have sparked your over-reactions and fits of defeatist despair.

Most any two-bit piece of propaganda, slanted "news", or artless disinformation is sufficient to send you into paroxysms of defeatist despair complete with another anti-Bush sermonette.

The facts do not warrant this type of response from you or anyone else. What's more, there is not one damned thing that rationally suggests that John Kohn Kerry ought to replace George Bush as commander in chief.

Name:	ET
To:	American

In response to:
Most any two-bit piece of propaganda, slanted "news", or artless disinformation is sufficient to send you into paroxysms of defeatist despair complete with another anti-Bush sermonette.

Message:
Excuse me. I have never, repeat never made an anti-bush sermonette when it concerns the war on terrorism. I have been supporting him all the way. I still do, but I have the right to point out that there are not enough troops.

Name:

Help is on the way

In response to:
When I think about the economy, the environment, and the liberal world I love I must support the Democrats, but when I think about the war there is no doubt the right know what they are doing and who the enemy is. The left are still trying to figure it out.

Message:
The economy is just fine. The environment is fine too no matter what the loser DNC talking points would have you believe.

As far as the war goes, the Democrats enemy is themselves. They couldn't bring themselves to do anything about it for 8 long years for PC reasons because they are weak, spoiled little brats who were too busy fleecing little old ladies out of their 401k's.

Name:	ET
To:	American

In response to:
The facts do not warrant this type of response from you or anyone else. What's more, there is not one damned thing that rationally suggests that John Kohn Kerry ought to replace George Bush as commander in chief.

Message:
When did I say Kerry can replace George Bush as commander in chief of the war on terror?

Name:	Milan
To:	ET

In response to:
These are difficult times. As you know I supported Bush in the Iraq war. But there were not enough troops, and we're paying for it now.

Message:
I am extremely saddened about what our troops are up against now.

That is why I get particularly angered when highly respected people still spread the two myths that the war on terror is mostly driven by poverty and a generalized "religious fundamentalism"

Since an earlier post of mine was upstaged by a bunch of idiotic posters, I will post again what really was the last straw for me as I watched TV last night:

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The guest on NOW was the infamous Islam-apologist Karen Armstrong. After touching very briefly on the theme of terrorism, she and Bill Moyers went straight into the topic of how "religion" has always "oppressed" women whenever it became a dominant force, regardless of what the religion was originally about. Armstrong only mentioned Islam in order to to DEFEND how Muhammad gave women rights to divorce and inheritance that were "ahead of their time." Then she launched into this gratuitously mealy-mouthed discourse about how all the other religions (including Buddism!) have oppressed women, and eloborated AT LENGTH(!) on all the bad things Christians and fathers of the Christian church with regards to women's rights.

You would think that the Christians were the biggest misogynists in the world and the "true" Muslims were innocent!

.

.

Iraqis are whipping themselves up into an Islamic blood-lust frenzy against American troops. Iraqi women are being forced to wear the veil again.

...and Bill Moyers has the gall to invite that FRAUD to discuss "religious (mostly Christian) oppression." I can't believe Armstrong was once a nun. She ought to be excommunicated for perfidery to the human race.

and Bill Moyers is a big turkey. I will never again open my wallet for PBS.

I don't rule out conceding that we followed the Bush administration blindly, insofar as how they mischaracterized the difficulty of this conflict.

But I will always applaud their efforts to root out 5th column elements in America.

Name:	ET
To:	Help is on the way

In response to:
who were too busy fleecing little old ladies out of their 401k's.

Message:
You thinking about Neil Bush

Name:	Zippy the Wonder Slug
To:	Esme
Re:	Gotta love an optimist, Hillary? VP? Please....

In response to:
I shivver at the thought that we may have to pull out without succeeding. This makes me very sad.

Message:
A) How you been? Hope all is well with you and yours.

B) If that thought makes you Sad then the Media ought to be making you Angry as hell. I haven't seen nightly body counts on the "news" since 1971, compliments of Walter "Little Red Book" Cronkite.

People aren't generally very well educated, much less interested, in world history or politics. When these useful idiots are barraged with leftist pessimism between ads for feminine hygene products 24/7 what other outcome could there be? If we pull out it damn sure won't be the conservatives to blame. And when we lose another few thousand civilians in a year or two, after the "New Iraq" gets a nuke from Pakistan or Iran the pessimists will see their self-fulfilling prophecy come home to roost.

Maybe it serves us right for allowing stupid people to vote. We do, after all, get the government we deserve.

Anyway, just thought I'd pop in and see if I could stir things up just for old times sake. Keep the faith. Nothing happens by mistake.

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	We are making good progress on a difficult job.

In response to:
A lot of people are being torn between these two very important issues. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
The Liberal positions on the economy are every bit as absurd and wrong-headed as the negative Liberal positions on the war. Even if that were not the case, though it emphatically IS the case, the war must take precedence over the econmomy, just as it did in WWII, though probably not to the pervasive, near-total extent that was deemed necessary then.

PS: If it became necessary for U.S. troops to evict a hostile occupying force from France today, I wonder what the French reaction would be when our guys marched into Paris, as they certainly would? They might well be pelted and jeered! Doing what's genuinely right is often a thankless job, while making a career of doing what is wrong can get you the heroes's treatment. Witness Howard Stern, Bill Clinton, Mumia, the Mad Mullahs, Larry Flynt, Michael Jackson, and sundry others, including most of the famous tyrants who ever lived.

Name:	ET
To:	Milan

In response to:
But I will always applaud their efforts to root out 5th column elements in America.

Message:
Why do we have intelligent people supporting the 5th column in America? They seem to be leftovers from the PC era who have not been awakened to the fact that we are at war!

Is there a precedent for this or is something funny going on?

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	HUH??

In response to:
When did I say Kerry can replace George Bush as commander in chief of the war on terror?

Message:
Do you or do you not actively support a Kerry-Clinton Democratic ticket in 2004?

Name:	ET
To:	American

In response to:
the war must take precedence over the econmomy, just as it did in WWII, though probably not to the pervasive, near-total extent that was deemed necessary then.

Message:
The war must take precedence over the economy, of course. We won't have much of an economy if we lose the war.

But then we won't have the funds for the war with out a good economy.

And that puts us back in the middle again.

Name:	ET
To:	American

In response to:
Do you or do you not actively support a Kerry-Clinton Democratic ticket in 2004?

Message:
I support Hillary Rodham Clinton for Vice President.

Name:

Hmmmmmmmmm

In response to:
I support Hillary Rodham Clinton for Vice President.

Message:
How about a Rice/Clinton ticket? Talk about balance!

Name:	ET
To:	Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

In response to:
How about a Rice/Clinton ticket? Talk about balance!

Message:
Yes, I would definitely support a Rice/Clinton ticket. I thought Rice was great. Yes, she shielded her boss on certain issues, and may be covering up for others, but I think she's great.

Name:

ET

Message:
I would support a Bush-Hillary ticket - but that won't happen.

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	Says who? On what basis?

In response to:
Excuse me. I have never, repeat never made an anti-bush sermonette when it concerns the war on terrorism. I have been supporting him all the way. I still do, but I have the right to point out that there are not enough troops

Message:
What you very actively support is removing the George Bush administration from office in a few months time and replacing it with a Kerry-Clinton administration.

As for troop strength, a number of persons in a much better position to know what the correct level of troop strength is for operations in Iraq disagree with your assessment.

What do you base your assessment on? Something you read in the TIMES by a Liberal columnist?

Name:	Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
To:	American

In response to:
Something you read in the TIMES by a Liberal columnist?

Message:
You mean Fifth columnist, don't you?

Name:	ET
To:	American

In response to:
What do you base your assessment on? Something you read in the TIMES by a Liberal columnist?

Message:
On common sense. We should have had that war behind us by now if we had enough troops. I don't need input from anyone to figure that out.

Name:	ET
To:	American

In response to:
What you very actively support is removing the George Bush administration from office in a few months time and replacing it with a Kerry-Clinton administration.

Message:
I would like to replace it with a Bush-Clinton administration, but that's not possible.

Name:	Hmmmmmmmmm
To:	ET

In response to:
On common sense. We should have had that war behind us by now if we had enough troops. I don't need input from anyone to figure that out.

Message:
I forget, how long did it take us to get Germany back up and functioning after WWII?

Oh yeah, FOUR YEARS.

Don't attribute silliness to common sense.

Name:

Hysterian

In response to:
Oh yeah, FOUR YEARS.

Message:
And that was without the complication of Syrian, Iranian, and other agents pouring across the border in an effort to keep the middle east a group of Islamic fiefdoms, the way the like it...

Name:

Nah

In response to:
What do you base your assessment on? Something you read in the TIMES by a Liberal columnist?

Message:
She gets all her info from Salon and Speilberg movies.

Name:	ET
To:	Hnnnnnnnnnnn

In response to:
I forget, how long did it take us to get Germany back up and functioning after WWII?

Message:
Germany surrendered. There was nobody left to help Germany.

There's a billion Muslims left in the world. About 20% of them are actively supporting the enemy, another 30% are supporting by default, 20% are supporting us and 30% are waiting to see who wins.

Name:	American
To:	Hmmmmmmmmm
Re:	Nest of crackpots

In response to:
You mean Fifth columnist, don't you?

Message:
Some of them come very close. For my money, most of all them are welcome to drop into Times Square!

Name:	YallBeNiceNow
Re:	ET

In response to:
She gets all her info from Salon and Speilberg movies.

Message:
Conflicted? Yeah, a little. Stupid? No way. She get's WAY more of it right than most of her fellow Kalifornians...

Name:	Hideo-san
To:	ET
Re:	It's good to WIN. Winning turns enemies into friends!

In response to:
30% are waiting to see who wins. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
We have the means to win, and we had damned well better get on with it.

Name:	ET
To:	YallBeNiceNow

In response to:
Conflicted? Yeah, a little. Stupid? No way. She get's WAY more of it right than most of her fellow Kalifornians...

Message:
Thank you.

I'm definitely conflicted. I wish I was not in this position. I was trying to sell the forum and the next thing I knew I was in the middle of this whole thing supporting Hillary for Vice President and George Bush for commander in chief of the war on terror. This is a helluva position to be in.

This forum is also going to be on NBC's Dateline with Katie Couric on the 16th. Reporters are calling me and when they mention Kerry's name I pretend I didn't hear them and go on extolling the virtues of Hillary Clinton.

This is bloody awful.

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	Little or nothing to recommend her for any office

In response to:
Bush-Clinton administration

Message:
Your fixation on Hillary Rodham defies any rational assessment. Getting Hillary into the White House seems to be your first priority.

Name:	Hmmmmmmm
To:	ET

In response to:
Germany surrendered. There was nobody left to help Germany. There's a billion Muslims left in the world. About 20% of them are actively supporting the enemy, another 30% are supporting by default, 20% are supporting us and 30% are waiting to see who wins.

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Precicely my point. Winning in Iraq is VASTLY more difficult than winning in WWII. And frankly it's more important in this age of suitcase nukes and designer biological agents. Short of nuking most of the middle east FURTHER into the stoneage all we can do is hold Iraq's hand while they learn this utterly new concept of Democracy. More troops will foment more resentment. We more boots on the ground but they need to be Iraqi boots. And that is happening slowly, as they learn to trust us. After Bush wins 40+ states in November they'll see more evidence that we're there to stay no matter how much American blood it takes. Now, if we can just get the Media to shut the hell up with their idiotic pessimism and back the RIGHT people in this fight....

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	Irrational devotion to an individual of no great qualification and lots of bagga

In response to:
I was in the middle of this whole thing supporting Hillary for Vice President and George Bush for commander in chief of the war on terror. This is a helluva position to be in.

Message:
It is an impossible position. Even if it wasn't an impossible position, it would be an absurd one. Hillary Clinton is near the end of any reasonable prson's list of Presidential or Vice-Presidential prospects. That isn't likely to change, either.

Name:	ET
To:	Hmmmmmm

In response to:
Precicely my point. Winning in Iraq is VASTLY more difficult than winning in WWII. And frankly it's more important in this age of suitcase nukes and designer biological agents.

Message:
Precisely my point too. Winning in Iraq is VASTLY more difficult than winning in WWWII because we can't tell friend from foe, and they can't either.

Name:	Glaring Factoid
To:	American

In response to:
Hillary Clinton is near the end of any reasonable prson's list

Message:
Key word: "reasonable"

Methinks thou art living in another America! We are SURROUNDED by ninnys and naysaying nabobs of negativity!

Name:	Milan
To:	ET

In response to:
Why do we have intelligent people supporting the 5th column in America? They seem to be leftovers from the PC era who have not been awakened to the fact that we are at war!

Is there a precedent for this or is something funny going on?

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Oh there IS a precedent:

Check out Harrison Salisbury's "From Peking and Beyond" (written in the early 70's), where this pulitzer prize winnig author praises the Cultural Revolution in China, Kim Il Sung's central planning, and wishes "good luck" to the Knmer Rouge.

No kidding. I read this myself!

The stakes are much higher now. Because we are facing an enemy that loves death.

My stomach churns every time I see footage of Shiites dancing in counter circles, whipping themselves in a frenzy.

I have already bought 4 copies of Robert Spencer's "Islam Unveiled". Two I have loaned to friends. As long as someone is reading it, I don't care whether I get them back. One copy I donated to the library. I hope more people do this to counter the poison being spread by traitors like Armstrong.

His newer book "Onward Muslim Soldiers" is also very good (I have one copy), but I still can't get good deals on used copies.

I am also learning Arabic in my spare time (that is why you see less of me now). I will never gain enough fluency to be a translator, but hopefully, I can gain enough skills to volunteer my services to anti-jihadists like Anti-CAIR and Campus Watch.

Name:	ET
To:	American

In response to:
It is an impossible position. Even if it wasn't an impossible position, it would be an absurd one. Hillary Clinton is near the end of any reasonable prson's list of Presidential or Vice-Presidential prospects. That isn't likely to change, either.

Message:
Because you are on the right there probably isn't anyone on the left that isn't near your reasonable person's list of Presidential or Vice-Presidential prospects?

Name:

Bloody Awful

In response to:
This is a helluva position to be in. This forum is also going to be on NBC's Dateline with Katie Couric on the 16th. Reporters are calling me and when they mention Kerry's name I pretend I didn't hear them and go on extolling the virtues of Hillary Clinton.

Message:
Extolling the virtues of Hillary to Katie Couric would make anyone sick. Extolling the virtues of Hillary to anyone would make anyone sick.

Name:	Bevis
To:	ET

In response to:
We should have had that war behind us by now if we had enough troops.

Message:
OK, I'm confused now. If "Winning in Iraq is VASTLY more difficult" then how in the world could we be finished barely a year after we started? We don't HAVE 3 billion troops! And that's what it would take to keep a billion Muslims Nutjobs at bay.

Name:

Butthead

In response to:
Extolling the virtues of Hillary to anyone would make anyone sick.

Message:
Extolling the virtues of (enter any politician's name here) to anyone would make any(thinking)one sick.

Name:	ET
To:	Milan

In response to:
I am also learning Arabic in my spare time (that is why you see less of me now). I will never gain enough fluency to be a translator, but hopefully, I can gain enough skills to volunteer my services to anti-jihadists like Anti-CAIR and Campus Watch.

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Wow! I must commend you for learning Arabic. That should be very difficult, like learning Chinese.

Thank you for keeping watch on the jihadists and CAIR. Because of you I get Daniel Pipes newsletters almost every day. I wish I could do more.

I wrote to Mr. Pipes and suggested that he use the word "jihadis or jihadists" instead of Islamists, because when I use the word Islamists people call me a "racist" but when I use the word "jihadis" people are not confused and agree with what I am saying. Pipes wrote back and said that Islamists are not necessarily jihadis. This is true but the longer we use the word Islamists and Militant Islamists is the longer we keep potential allies from joining us, and the more we inflame Muslims.

Words are important. We need a word like "jihadis" like "nazis" - everyone knows that's the enemy.

Name:

dfgdgdfgdfgdfgdfgd

Message:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/11/international/middleeast/11STRA.html?ei=5062&en=04daee55d8bad4b0&ex=1082260800&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=

Name:	ET
To:	Bevis

In response to:
We don't HAVE 3 billion troops! And that's what it would take to keep a billion Muslims Nutjobs at bay.

Message:
You have a valid point there, Bevis. Unfortunately too valid.

Name:

George O

In response to:
Words are important. We need a word like "jihadis" like "nazis" - everyone knows that's the enemy.

Message:
Whoa! Shades of 1984! Constant war with ever changing enemies.

Sadly, due to the pitiful education most Americans have, you could be right...

Name:	American
To:	Hmmmmm
Re:	Media flacks of any stripe

In response to:
Now, if we can just get the Media to shut the hell up with their idiotic pessimism and back the RIGHT people in this fight....

Message:
If we could just get them to be honest and objective, that would be sufficient. They really don't need to actively back anyone. Just REPORT, dammit! Clearly and scrupulously segregate news, editorial and other opinion, and speculation.

Name:

Anagram man

Message:
JOHN KERRY = HORNY JERK

Name:	ET
To:	centrists

Message:
As you can see by our recent posts it is very easy for the left and right to come to consensus if we do not allow ourselves to be partitioned into hate-the-other-side partisans.

Extremists of any kind are the danger here.

Name:	Hmmmmmmm
To:	American

In response to:
They really don't need to actively back anyone.

Message:
Not "anyone", just the United States. I'm not so sure, in time of war, that I care so much about OUR media being "objective". There's LOTS of alternate and differing opinions out there. What's this preoccupation with objectivity anyway? What good is it? If our own people can't clearly see who the right side is in this equasion they need a pink slip in my estimation. Go work for Saudi's and see if it becomes clearer....

Name:

Scotty

Message:
Even after adding independent candidate Ralph Nader to the hypothetical race, Kerry enjoys a four-point lead (46 percent to 42 percent), with Nader drawing 4 percent of the vote.

Meanwhile, just 36 percent of those polled say they are satisfied with "the way things are going in this country." More than half (59 percent) say they are dissatisfied. And while President George W. Bush’s job approval rating remains steady at 49 percent, where it has been since the end of January, the president's favorability ratings are lower than they’ve ever been. Forty-eight percent of those polled view Bush favorably, down four points over last month. Kerry’s ratings remain unchanged at 51 percent favorable.

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	Another defeatist outburst....

In response to:
We don't HAVE 3 billion troops! And that's what it would take to keep a billion Muslims Nutjobs at bay. Re-read Armstrong William's excellent column.

Message:
False! There are nowhere near a billion nutcases, even if you counted every nutcase in the world regardless of the nutcases' belief system, if any.

Furthermore, even if there were a billion nutcases and every last one of them was focused on us, it would not take anywhere near a billion soldiers to deal with them. Don't let a few howling crackpots and their fickle, poorly-trained, ill-equipped and unreliable mobs of followers get you down.

Name:

Jihadi #300,989,483

In response to:
Extremists of any kind are the danger here.

Message:
I'll put my extremists up against yours any day.

Oh wait, I forgot, I AM! Ayyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyey!

Name:	Skip
To:	Forum

Message:

Rising death toll dampens US enthusiasm for war ... and Bush

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Escalating fighting in Iraq (news - web sites) and mounting casualties among US troops have deflated enthusiasm for the war among Americans, who are growing increasingly skeptical about the undertaking, according to a flurry of new opinion polls made public here.

At least three surveys released Friday reflected growing doubts about George W. Bush's strategy in Iraq and overall lackluster support for his presidency as more and more Americans expressed doubt whether the one-year-old US military campaign in the country will ever bear fruit.

As a Shiite rebellion in Baghdad and south of the Iraqi capital added to continuing violence in the "Sunni Triangle," 46 Americans lost their lives in Iraq this past week alone. The overall US death toll has now reached at least 646 troops.

With pictures of dead and wounded soldiers splashed onto television screens, a new Gallup poll showed 66 percent of Americans now believe things in Iraq are going either "very badly" or "moderately badly" for the United States, up from 43 percent who felt that way a month ago.

Just 35 percent believe the situation is evolving either "very well" or "moderately well," down from 55 percent in March, the survey showed.

"This is the most negative reading measured by Gallup since the war began last year, even worse than the reading last November before the capture of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)," commented company analyst David Moore.

Name:	Hmmmmmmm
To:	American
Re:	Another defeatist outburst....

In response to:
We don't HAVE 3 billion troops! And that's what it would take to keep a billion Muslims Nutjobs at bay.

Message:
Actually, that was my "outburst"

OK, OK, I was taking a little dramatic licence there. Deal.

My main point is that this, short of utter and complete irradiation of a sizable portion of the middle east, is going to be a very costly and lengthy project. These people are by and large completely uneducated and have several thousand years of tribal warefare as their historical backgound. The word "democracy" draws more blank stares than smiles over there. It's a totally foreign concept (pardon the Irony). We are literally attempting to bring a billion people out of the dark ages. It's next to impossible but it DOES have to be done.

People better be ready for this. George Bush has a VERY ambitious goal and the price is going to be high. Just not as high as the price of failure...

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	That depends

In response to:
Because you are on the right there probably isn't anyone on the left that isn't near your reasonable person's list of Presidential or Vice-Presidential prospects?

Message:
I do not support the Left. I am not a personality cultist, either. I have no heroes in government or politics. I don't know of ANYONE that I think that it is of paramount importance to place into any particular public office. I do know of some persons that, based on their record, damned well ought to be removed or kept out though and the list includes a few Republicans.

That said, let us suppose that the Republicans have decided to run John McCain for President in 2008. The Democrats have wised up and decided to run Joe Lieberman or Charlie Stenholm. In such a situation, I might very well cast my first vote for a Democratic Presidential candidate.

Name:	Jay
To:	forum

Message:
One year after the US occupation of Baghdad, “Madinat as-Salam,” “the City of Peace”, the brutal American aggressor forces are embroiled in a situation that, for them, becomes more desperate by the day. The Iraqi Resistance is continuing and stepping up its strikes despite the vicious use of the most sophisticated weaponry ever devised against the unarmed civilian population.

A violent battle erupted in the last hour before midnight (Mecca time) on Friday as US Marine invaders attempted to break into the western approaches to al-Fallujah, the al-Jawlan neighborhood of the defiant city, more specifically the American assault was centered on the area around al-Jisr al-Qadim (“the old overpass”) that links al-Fallujah General Hospital, which has been occupied by the US aggressors, with the rest of the city. The ground assault followed an intense bombardment of the city that lasted for several hours and left dozens dead and wounded.

At the same time, al-Jazeera reported that American aggressors were pounding the northwestern section of al-Fallujah with mortars as US military aircraft prowl the skies in the darkness over the city.

Just after midnight, Mecca time, in the first minutes of 10 April, al-Jazeera's correspondent in al-Fallujah reported that F-16 fighter bombers had resumed intense bombing of al-Jawlan neighborhood. There was no word at that hour about casualties from the intense bombardments and bombing to which that part of the city was subjected. Indeed, usually the casualty toll is difficult to assess until daybreak, particularly since US aircraft and snipers target ambulances and civilian cars in the streets.

Earlier, al-Jazeera TV reported on Friday night at about 9:45pm Mecca time that US F-16 fighter bombers and other US aircraft were intensely bombing al-Jawlan neighborhood in the besieged city of al-Fallujah. Further details were not immediately available.

The intense bombardment and ground assault followed assurances by the US deputy commander in Iraq, General Mark Kimmitt that the “cease fire” announced at noon Friday was still in force.

Name:	ET
To:	American

In response to:
False! There are nowhere near a billion nutcases, even if you counted every nutcase in the world regardless of the nutcases' belief system, if any. Furthermore, even if there were a billion nutcases and every last one of them was focused on us, it would not take anywhere near a billion soldiers to deal with them. Don't let a few howling crackpots and their fickle, poorly-trained, ill-equipped and unreliable mobs of followers get you down.

Message:
We know there aren't anywhere near a billion nutcases, it was just a manner of speaking.

What the poster was trying to say was that we are up against overwhelming numbers around the world, and we are. Worse still we can't tell friend from foe and nor can they.

This war is a greater challenge that most people realize.

Name:	Sul Rost
To:	ET
Re:	Where are Lou Scanon and the Wail-the-tar-out-of-ems

In response to:
I'm asking myself the same thing. We American go into foreign countries to help them and are worse off for having done so. What did we get from Kosovo? We got rid of a brutal dictator but the jihadis moved into Kosovo and they are attacking Serbia. What have we gained?

Message:
We are still in Kosovo and it has been 5 years not 6 months as Clinton promised. Dems talk of "quagmire" but say nothing of Kosovo. I used to wonder why the Muslim Albanians left Albania. Easy answer. Their religion tells them to try to take over anywhere the live. So they get kicked out. That non-pledge of allegence by Muslims is also, I suspect, why they were barred from immigrating to the US for many years. They were honest enough to admit they would not swear allegence and thus were rightly persona non-grata. Then some lawyers nosed in and cried,"DESCRIMINATION!" Weak kneed judges or campaign money hungry judges caved in so here they are amongst us, non allegence and all. It is as smart as raising a cobra as a pet. I'm not saying internment camps are the cure just vigilence on the part of the FBI. When a Muslim cleric yells ,Jehad, ship him to Saudi! Or leave him there and ship all his congregation who seem to be accepting the jehad idea. That would weed out the bad apples. I've known some very friendly Pakistanis but I don't trust them if they are Muslims. They are supposed to be displaced Hindus who were no longer welcome in what became Pakistan. See what I mean. These guys lived there, owned land for generations, then got kicked out by the Muslims. They will do the same in America if given a chance and sufficient numbers. It was bloody in Pakistan until all the non-Muslims were converted , dead, or displaced.

Name:	ET
To:	Hmmmmmm

In response to:
People better be ready for this. George Bush has a VERY ambitious goal and the price is going to be high. Just not as high as the price of failure...

Message:
Once again you have a valid point. Unfortunately it is too valid.

Name:	Alice King
To:	Forum

Message:
Al-Fallujah, Iraq's Defiant Bastion of Liberty, fights on for fifth straight day.

For four straight days under fierce and constant bombardment from the air, the Iraqi Resistance defenders of al-Fallujah smashed one American assault after another on their defiant city. Beaten, bloodied, exhausted and frustrated, the US invaders – in the person of proconsul L. Paul Bremer – declared a “cease fire” on the ground around al-Fallujah, but US fighter planes and helicopters continued their murderous round-the-clock air assaults on the residents and defenders of the Iraqi bastion of liberty.

Mafkarat al-Islam website which has a correspondent inside al-Fallujah, reported that the US had halted its attempted advance into the city and had issued calls for supplies and reinforcements in order to resume the assault in coming days.

Determined to deny the aggressor time to catch his breath, the Resistance continued their attacks on the US invaders unabated. Ninety minutes after Bremer's declaration of a “cease fire,” the US Marine invader commander announced that the “cease fire” was at an end, yet the US army general Mark Kimmitt insisted that it was still in force. Western news agencies reported that the of the fighting in al-Fallujah seemed notably less intense than it had been on the four previous days.

Eyewitnesses reported that a US military convoy was attacked and set ablaze on the outskirts of al-Fallujah. Al-Jazeera's correspondent reported that the Iraqi Resistance has mounted a number of strikes against the occupation forces in the city and surrounding areas on Friday.

Al-Jazeera's correspondent in al-Fallujah describes conditions in the city as “frightful” with bodies and severed limbs lying about the streets as US aircraft thunder through the skies violently shelling, rocketing, and strafing homes. Clouds of smoke rise from every part of the besieged city. Ambulances and private cars dodge the looming US aircraft – which target anything that moves in the streets – to take corpses, body parts, and the wounded – most of them women and children – to makeshift medical centers and morgues. Al-Fallujah General Hospital itself was severely damaged by US shelling on the first day of the American attack, forcing doctors to set up field hospitals.

Doctors from al-Fallujah's hospital say that the health situation in the besieged city threatens catastrophe as the number of untended dead and wounded continues to rise, most of them women and children. Many of the wounded are likely to die because it is impossible for them to get to medical centers in the city.

Al-Jazeera's correspondent reports that the Resistance is waging fierce battles in al-Jawlan neighborhood for the fifth consecutive day, as American tanks shell and helicopters fire rockets and cannon into the once peaceful residential quarter.

Residents of al-Fallujah, many of them now homeless and bereaved, have begun to try to escape the inhuman nightmare that the US invaders have brought down upon their city where indiscriminate fire from American aircraft, artillery, and tanks. But al-Jazeeera's correspondent reports that a large number of the cars loaded with these new refugees are forced to turn back into the burning city for the US aggressor forces have blocked the roads.

Sa'dallah ar-Ruway, head of the city council, said that bodies of the dead and wounded fill the hospitals and mosques. A member of the city council and Director of al-Fallujah Hospital have issued an appeal to the world through al-Jazeera TV to intervene to put a halt to the bombing and shelling of the city, to allow medical aid into the city, and to permit the dead and wounded to be brought to medical centers and morgues.

Name:	American
To:	Hmmmmm
Re:	Defeatist outburst

In response to:
Actually, that was my "outburst"

Message:
I beg your pardon, and yours, ET.

Name:	ET
To:	Sal Rost

In response to:
That non-pledge of allegence by Muslims is also, I suspect, why they were barred from immigrating to the US for many years. They were honest enough to admit they would not swear allegence and thus were rightly persona non-grata. Then some lawyers nosed in and cried,"DESCRIMINATION!" Weak kneed judges or campaign money hungry judges caved in so here they are amongst us, non allegence and all. It is as smart as raising a cobra as a pet.

Message:
I didn't know that the swearing of allegiance was thrown out. If you are right, it's just like raising a cobra as a pet!!! Omigawd...

Why should anyone come to live in our country if they do not have our best interest at heart?

We have a 5th Column in the US that does such stupid things in an effort to bend over backwards trying to be politically correct.

Name:	Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
To:	Jay

In response to:
One year after the US occupation of Baghdad, “Madinat as-Salam,” “the City of Peace”, the brutal American aggressor forces are embroiled in a situation that, for them, becomes more desperate by the day.

Message:
I didn't know "Jay" was an Islamic FundaMENTAList name. Funny the stuff you learn here. (Translation: I hope they make martyrs of your whole damn family.)

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	Most people are not fanatics, even in nations ruled by fanatics.

In response to:
We have subdued whole nations under the sway of murderous lunatics before.

Message:
"What the poster was trying to say was that we are up against overwhelming numbers around the world, and we are." I beg to differ. I believe that the number of hard-core incorrigibles is fairly small.

"Worse still we can't tell friend from foe and nor can they" Then they have no advantage, do they?

Name:

Jay

In response to:
Three Spanish aggressor troops were wounded, one of them severely, in the city of ad-Diwaniyah on Friday morning. The Spanish Defense Ministry reported that the troops fell into an ambush as they were walking over a bridge in the city. One of the wounded men was struck in the eye and neck and was severely wounded although his life is supposedly not in danger. The Spanish aggressor troops – two soldiers and one captain - were attacked with anti-tank weapons and received shrapnel wounds. Large explosion

Message:
This must Stop President BUSH!!

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	Sheer lunacy on the bench and in the bureaucracy

In response to:
I didn't know that the swearing of allegiance was thrown out. If you are right, it's just like raising a cobra as a pet!!! Omigawd...

Message:
Just one reason I don't support Liberal candidates...

Name:	Hmmmmm
To:	Jay

In response to:
This must Stop President BUSH!!

Message:
But it won't. Infuriating, ain't it? (Go suck rocks, dipstick.)

Name:	Brothers
To:	Hillary

Message:
The puppet governor of Mosul on Friday declared a curfew in the city for 12 hours after a number of attacks by the Iraqi Resistance on various American aggressor positions. AFP reported that the security situation for the Americans and their stooges in the city had greatly deteriorated as the sound of explosions and gunfire could be heard. US aggressor forces and their puppet so-called civil defense forces battled with Resistance fighters particularly on the right bank of the Tigris River which divides the city in half.

The United Arab Emirates newspaper al-Bayan reported eyewitnesses as saying on Friday that Resistance forces had used mortars to attack US military positions in the Presidential Palace (which they had occupied as their headquarters in al-'Arabi neighborhood). Four mortar shells landed on the headquarters. In addition, the US headquarters in ad-Dubbat neighborhood of Mosul was also hit by a number of mortar shells and a fire fight broke out there between the Resistance and US aggressor forces.

In southern Iraq, battles continue between occupation forces and supporters of Shi'ite leader Muqtada as-Sadr. The US army announced that it was prepared to take back control of the city of al-Kut, two days after Ukrainian forces had withdrawn in the face of mass opposition. US forces reportedly now control the center of al-Kut and columns of their armored vehicles have appeared in the streets of the city, with Ukrainian invaders serving the American occupation troops.

Iraqi Resistance fighters have taken four Italians and two Americans hostage in the Abu Ghurayb suburb of Baghdad. Reuters reported that a witness said he had seen some of the hostages being held in a mosque in the area. One of the Italians was reportedly wounded in the shoulder and both were weeping.

US occupation soldiers in a tank near the village of adh-Dhahab al-Abyad said that they knew for a fact that a number of Americans had been kidnapped but gave no further details, other than one of them saying, “that's why we're closing this street.”

Resistance sources told Reuters that the four Italians who were taken hostage had been captured while driving in a four-wheel drive vehicle in which there were weapons. They added that the Americans were taken hostage in a separate incident.

Name:	Herb Kohl
To:	Squeaky
Re:	I'll be by at sevenish.

In response to:
This must Stop President BUSH!!

Message:
Shut up, Scotty, you little nance.

Name:

Jes Askin

Message:
Why doesn't young Jay give the sources of his propaganda? Aftaid he'll get laughed out of the joint when it is revealed that the sources are some commie rags?

Name:	Hmmmmmmmm
To:	Brothers (Jay, King whatever)

Message:
Why post the entire Al-Jizzzzzera web site here? Give us a link and we'll ignore that too.

Name:

Fight

Message:
Ihe heroic defense of Falluja by the Iraqi Resistance may go down in the history books as the turning point not only in the liberation of Iraq but also in the global struggle against revanchist U.S. imperialism. It may turn out to be what the siege of Stalingrad was for the Nazis, where one of whose best-trained and equipped armies failed to survive the harsh Russian winter and the tenacity of the Soviet people fighting for their socialist homeland. Indeed, it looks like it's going to be a long hot summer for the United States and its dwindling number of "allies" in Iraq -- if they make it that long. One year after the invasion, mass uprisings are taking place across the country from north to south and east to west, definitively putting the lie to the assertions by the Bush gang that the U.S. was going into Iraq in order to help the Iraqi people and that the troops would be received as "liberators". What bull! Turn on your TV now!!!!

Name:	Shunary
To:	the nance
Re:	We better explain this one to the simple mnded

Message:
nan·cy ( P )
n. Offensive Slang pl. nan·cies, also nanc·es
Used as a disparaging term for an effeminate man, especially a homosexual man.
[From the name Nancy.]

Name:

=

In response to:
We don't HAVE 3 billion troops! And that's what it would take to keep a billion Muslims Nutjobs at bay.

Message:
But we've got plenty of perfectly good nukes. Let's start using them.

Name:

Richard Shunary

Message:
Oooooo, the Auto Censor doesn't have a contextual component installed!

Name:	U Ulator
To:	P!gs
Re:	A great victory! Our city is burning! Bis m Allah!!

In response to:
But al-Jazeeera's correspondent reports that a large number of the cars loaded with these new refugees are forced to turn back into the burning city for the US aggressor forces have blocked the roads.

Message:
Why would they leave? They would not, I tell you! The heroic Iraqi Resistance is routing the foolish cheeseburger Americans! The cars are filled with joyous Iraqi celebrants come to praise the victorious Iraqi Resistance!!

Name:

jeez

In response to:
Ihe heroic defense of Falluja by the Iraqi Resistance may go down in the history books as the turning point not only in the liberation of Iraq but also in the global struggle against revanchist U.S. imperialism. It may turn out to be what the siege of Stalingrad was for the Nazis, where one of whose best-trained and equipped armies failed to survive the harsh Russian winter and the tenacity of the Soviet people fighting for their socialist homeland. Indeed, it looks like it's going to be a long hot summer for the United States and its dwindling number of "allies" in Iraq -- if they make it tha ...

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Shut up Lord of Flies

Name:	Hmmmmmm
To:	=

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But we've got plenty of perfectly good nukes. Let's start using them.

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Actually, I've often wondered if the Neutron bomb might not have a practical application. Perhaps we could come up with something that only kills Evil people via their brainwave patterns or something. Hmmm, I better make a few calls...

Name:	Freedom Bobby
To:	Kerry 04

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The United States has over 700 military bases in 130 countries around the world to keep all the oil flowing and protect other U.S. capitalist "interests". Whole countries are now territorially occupied by the U.S. and its minions. It should be clear to all those who don't have their heads totally buried in the sand that the U.S. is a both a political and economic empire, as it really has been since the Spanish-American War of 1898. Even some hard right-wingers, like the aptly-named Max Boot, are admitting that it is an empire -- although for them this is something to be proud of, not to be alarmed at. So what are the laws of motion of this Empire? What does its future hold? The American Empire Project is setting out to investigate these sorts of questions, and they have begun publishing a series of books by important radical critics of imperialism. The first two titles out already are by Noam Chomsky and Chalmers Johnson, with more by other authors in the works.

Name:	American
To:	ET
Re:	Emanations of madness

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We have a 5th Column in the US that does such stupid things in an effort to bend over backwards trying to be politically correct

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One of the principal headquarters of this 5th column is the Ninth Circuit Court.

Name:	Jill Kraus
To:	Forum

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On February 27, 1968, CBS anchorman Walter Cronkite spoke the words I've used in the title of this piece during a commentary on the US war in Vietnam. This commentary came at the end of a month of fierce fighting between US troops and Vietnamese troops opposed to their presence in that country. This month opened with countrywide attacks that included an assault on the US Embassy in Saigon and a siege of US troops in the north of Vietnam's southern half. Although military historians continue to debate whether the US or the North Vietnamese and NLF won this series of battles, politically inclined historians are almost unanimous in their consensus that the Vietnamese opposition won the political fight.

Are the battles in Falluja, Najaf and elsewhere the Iraq war's TET offensive? Is the fighting and dying of the last week the beginning of the end for US troops in that country?

Name:	Hmmmmmm
To:	Freedom Bobby

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The United States has over 700 military bases in 130 countries around the world to keep all the oil flowing and protect other U.S. capitalist "interests"......

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Suddenly I understand! If we evil Americans will just lay down our arms and go home no other country would enslave the poorer and weaker nations and the world would be a paradise overnight!

I'm 43, I almost forgot how it feels to be totally clueless!

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There's a billion Muslims left in the world. About 20% of them are actively supporting the enemy, another 30% are supporting by default, 20% are supporting us and 30% are waiting to see who wins.

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So if you do the math, that means you need to wax at least 500 million of them, and more like 750 million if you want to be on the safe side (can't trust the 30% who're watching, can you?).

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Poster

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Name:	Buddy Mavis
To:	Friends of Hillary

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Did George W. Bush Invade Iraq by Lying?

Why did Bush start a war that:

Has killed more than 200 American servicemen and women, and seriously injured hundreds more Has killed thousands of Iraq civilians, many of them women and children Will cost American Tax payers more than $100 Billion, of money desperately needed here at home Has destroyed America’s credibility around the world Has already significantly damaged morale, confidence, and the readiness of the US armed forces.

Name:	American
Re:	Hearts and Minds

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We are literally attempting to bring a billion people out of the dark ages. It's next to impossible but it DOES have to be done.

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We have a tremendous advantage over the Jihadis. What we are offering is demonstrably sane, just, healthy, and good. What the Jihadis are offering is simply more tyranny, poverty, hoplessness, and death.

Name:	=
To:	Hmmmmmm
Re:	Neutron bombs

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You'd have to prove it's "environmentally friendly" and not upset the Greens.

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We are literally attempting to bring a billion people out of the dark ages. It's next to impossible but it DOES have to be done.

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Why?

Name:	Hmmmmmm
To:	Poster
Re:	Civilian deaths in “noble” Iraq mission pass 10,000

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10,000 down, 740,000 to go. Unless, of course, they decide to quit killing OUR innocent civillians.

We did not start this war you fool. But we're damn sure going to finish it. Suck on that for while.

Name:	Ex Sailor
To:	forum
Re:	Vote Kerry

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Throughout the year leading up to war, the White House publicly maintained that the U.S. took weapons inspections seriously, that diplomacy would get its chance, that Saddam had the opportunity to prevent a U.S. invasion. The most pungent and concise evidence to the contrary comes from the president's own mouth. According to Time's March 31 road-to-war story, Bush popped in on national security adviser Condi Rice one day in March 2002, interrupting a meeting on UN sanctions against Iraq. Getting a whiff of the subject matter, W peremptorily waved his hand and told her, " Saddam. We're taking him out." Clare Short, Tony Blair's former secretary for international development, recently lent further credence to the anecdote. She told the London Guardian that Bush and Blair made a secret pact a few months afterward, in the summer of 2002, to invade Iraq in either February or March of this year.

Last fall CBS News obtained meeting notes taken by a Rumsfeld aide at 2:40 on the afternoon of September 11, 2001. The notes indicate that Rumsfeld wanted the "best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H. [Saddam Hussein] at same time. Not only UBL [Usama bin Laden].... Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not."

Rumsfeld's deputy Paul Wolfowitz, the 's leading intellectual light, has long been rabid on the subject of Iraq. He reportedly told Vanity Fair writer Sam Tanenhaus off the record that he believes Saddam was connected not only to bin Laden and 9/11, but the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

The Bush administration's foreign policy plan was not based on September 11, or terrorism; those events only brought to the forefront a radical plan for U.S. control of the post-Cold War world that had been taking shape since the closing days of the first Bush presidency. Back then a small claque of planners, led by Wolfowitz, generated a draft document known as Defense Planning Guidance, which envisioned a U.S. that took advantage of its lone-superpower status to consolidate American control of the world both militarily and economically, to the point where no other nation could ever reasonably hope to challenge the U.S. Toward that end it envisioned what we now call "preemptive" wars waged to reset the geopolitical table.

After a copy of DPG was leaked to the New York Times, subsequent drafts were rendered a little less frank, but the basic idea never changed. In 1997 Wolfowitz and his true believers--Richard Perle, William Kristol, Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld--formed an organization called Project for the New American Century to carry their cause forward. And though they all flocked around the Bush administration from the start, W never really embraced their plan until the events of September 11 left him casting around for a foreign policy plan.

Name:	Gene Rick Shaw
To:	Buddy

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Why did Bush start a war that...

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He didn't. Now go clean yourself up, Buddy. You reek of poo!

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bordertex

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We must stop bush and the rest of his cowboy nra buddies.

Name:	Hmmmmmm
To:	=

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We are literally attempting to bring a billion people out of the dark ages. It's next to impossible but it DOES have to be done.

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Because oil rich cavemen can do some awful stuff with the nukes they can afford to buy. We don't live in the era of AK-47's anymore my friend. We can whack them first or we can wait for them to fulfil the edict of Allah: Kill the infidels.

This is no longer a game we can afford to lose.

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Sassy Boy

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Not long after the September 11 attacks, neoconservative high priest Norman Podhoretz wrote: "One hears that Bush, who entered the White House without a clear sense of what he wanted to do there, now feels there was a purpose behind his election all along; as a born-again Christian, it is said, he believes he was chosen by God to eradicate the evil of terrorism from the world."

No, he really believes it, or so he would like us to think. The Palestinian prime minister, Mahmoud Abbas, told the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz that Bush made the following pronounceme