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Exclusive Interview with R. Ben-Veniste, Commissioner on 9/11

Transcript of INN Interview with Richard Ben-Veniste by Sander Hicks

http://www.libertythink.com/2003_04_24_archives.html#200192510

Thursday, April 24, 2003 :

• Exclusive Interview with Richard Ben-Veniste,
• a National Commissioner on 9/11
• from INN TV via sanderhicks.com

INN Interview -- Comments by Richard Ben-Veniste, member of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, original interview date: March 31, 2003

Sander Hicks:

Here in the studio today we have Mr. Richard Ben-Veniste. He served with distinction at the Watergate Special Prosecutor’s Office from 1973 to 1975. He has also served as a federal prosecutor in NewYork. He was the boss of young Ru Giuliana. And today he is a major Washington attorney with Mayer, Brown, Rowe and Maw in D.C. Welcome Mr. Ben-Veniste.

Richard Ben-Veniste: Thank you for inviting me.

SH: Well, it’s really quite an honor to have an actual member of the National Commission here on INN Report. We’ve been following with interest the development of the National Commission. My first question that I wanted to talk to you about how you view what seems to be a somewhat antagonistic relationship between the White House and people who question 9/11. I’m speaking specifically about the controversy about funding, you mentioned in your introductory remarks about the lack of security clearances for the Commission and let’s go back a couple of months ago. You remember that there was some talk in the media about how Tom Daschle had been called by Bush and Cheney and somewhat threatened on the phone about not letting the Joint Inquiry in Congress look in too closely at 9/11. What are your thoughts?

RB: Well, our statute provides us with authority to conduct a very broad inquiry basically to provide an investigation of 9/11 that’s thorough, complete and will withstand the scrutiny of history. And I feel confident that we have the kind of people on our Commission and our staff who are capable of doing that. Now, I have no comment on what you mentioned earlier about the controversy. It’s clear that the Joint Inquiry which did an astonishingly good job in the time they had, was not afforded all the information they sought. Our mandate expects that we will build on the Joint Inquiry’s investigation and we will not be re-inventing the wheel. But we go to places which the Joint Inquiry was not permitted to explore. So that’s one of the basic tenets of what we are doing.

SH: What are those areas that the Joint Inquiry that Congress was not allowed to explore?

RB: They made certain requests for interviews of members of the White House and the National Security Council and they didn’t get all the information that they sought.

SH: I don’t know if you are able to comment but there has been a lot of talk about — not in mainstream media but in independent media — about the relationship between the Bush family and the Saudis. Let’s say George Herbert Walker Bush’s membership on the Board of Directors of the Carlyle Group. Or the fact that in 1978 young W. Bush received money through James Bath, who it turned out was working for the Saudis. His name was Salem bin Laden. Are you familiar with this information and.....

RB: I don’t have any comment on that.

SH: America has such a bad history with these kinds of special investigations. We have these major historical events that are then investigated. Former Governor Kean yesterday made reference to two precedents: the Warren Commission Report on the assassination of JFK and the Roberts Commission Report on the Pearl Harbor attack. And he admitted that the results of both those Commissions were inadequate and did not satisfy the majority of the people. So, if you prefer not to talk about specifics of the Bush-Bin Laden connection, then let’s talk about the specifics of a broader historical inquiry. How can the National Commission on 9/11 be different from the Warren Report?

RB: I think the better analogy is the Roberts Commission which was created, almost immediately, after the attack at Pearl Harbor. And the short comings of that Commission’s report were documented. There were several subsequent inquiries. And it turned out that the Roberts Commission did not fully utilize the information available and that it came to conclusions which were I think quite short sighted and, indeed, in some cases, scapegoated individuals.

SH: We saw a panel come before the Commission of 5 people who had first-hand injury experience in 9/11. And they told stories that were traumatic and emotional. But they emphasized that they had no anger, were not going to point fingers. But then we had victims’ family members on the next panel. And these people were, I felt, like had a whole different level of knowledge and inquiry and were asking some very hard questions about the lack of aviation response from the military on 9/11. And, you know, there are people out there who are asking hard questions. And I thought that was somewhat represented on Monday by the lunchtime press conference with 9/11 Citizens Watch. I wanted to ask you if you had reviewed any of the materials on them or have you seen any ...

RB: I was eating lunch at lunchtime. And we had, I think, twenty minutes. The family members represent a broad spectrum of personal reaction to the horrific losses that they have suffered. And they have been a constant source to us, not only of motivation, but they have provided very useful insights and information. And we are honored to work with them and to keep a very close relationship with the family members.

SH: What are some of the questions that the family members are asking that you feel are valid?

RB: They are asking a number of questions about how it happened, that things which we had in place...

SH: Try to like, off the top of your head, what were some emotional, knowledgable, rational reactions that you had - like "wow, that’s a good question. That really bugs me, too."

RB: Well, the forms that were filled out by the hijackers to get into this country, that were obviously inadequate. Those are actually State Department forms for visas which provided inadequate information. The real issues that I think were highlighted in the hearings by family members who had many questions which we will address. Hopefully, we will provide answers, at least by statements from those who were responsible at the time, for why our country could not connect the dots, did not operate as our system is designed to operation. And that will inform the suggestions that we make for making our system better.

SH: Let’s go back for a second and talk about what you just said about the INS forms of the terrorist hijackers. How there just seems to be a disconnect. How could these people — it was pointed out that a couple of these people were on the CIA’s list of terrorists, they had attended the terrorism conference and yet they were allowed to be in country. There was a gentleman you may know of, named Daniel Hopsicker? He’s a former producer of NBC and he wrote a book called, "Barry and the Boys." You are mentioned in it. It’s about a former client of yours who is now deceased, Mr. Barry Seal. Are you familiar with this book?

RB: No, I haven’t read the book but I did represent Barry Seal, who was convicted. He thereafter, on his own, became a government informant. He worked against the Sandinistas and that certainly is not the subject of this....

SH: That’s not the subject of ....

RB: We have quite a bit to do here in our Commission without going into all my private practice. I certainly wouldn’t want this to be an infomercial for Richard Ben-Veniste as a private attorney.

SH: Not at all. But the question was, Daniel Hopsicker is

RB: So, if you wouldn’t mind staying on our subject...

SH: Not at all.

RB: I’d appreciate it.

SH: He did this interesting research on the web, that you can get, about the flight school in Florida, about the — and the connections between CIA and Rudi Dekker, the Dutch National, who ran that flight school. I’m wondering if the Commission plans to investigate that?

RB: I think you are going right for the capillary, if I may say so.

SH: You mean the jugular?

RB: No, I mean the capillary.

SH: You mean the find detail?

RB: I mean the things that are, the detail that is certainly not central to us getting started here. So, we are in the inception stages. We are getting started. Our inquiry is on its way.

SH: These are part of the questions which the families are asking, citizens watch

RB: I don’t think anybody asked any questions about Mr. Hopsicker, whoever he may be.

SH: No the question is really about Rudi Dekker and about — he’s a Dutch National. Mohamed Atta was at his flight school doing cocaine with his girl friend. If Mohamed Atta is technically a fundamentalist Muslim, what is he doing cocaine and going to strip bars with Rudi Dekkers’ girlfriend?

RB: You know, that’s a heck of a question.

SH: (Laughter) It sure is. Right. Well then we agree on that. Maybe then we’ll just sort of wrap it up at this point if you’d rather. I know you have a plane to catch.

RB: Right.

SH: And I appreciate you being on the program.

RB: Sure thing..

SH: And thank you very much.

RB: You’re welcome.

SH: Thank you, INN Report reporting.

originally broadcast by free speech tv's friday night prime time news show INN Report, camera by Lenny Charles, produced by Tom and Lenny. Interview by Sander Hicks.

 

 

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"Six Degrees of Richard Ben-Veniste" 
December 20—world exclusive
by Daniel Hopsicker
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may not be reprinted without permission

At the same time Wally Hilliard's Venice flight school was training dozens of terrorists to fly—including both pilots crashing into the World Trade Center—the owner of Huffman Aviation in Venice Florida was also involved in a murky aviation transaction with a multi-millionaire Texas oil-man who played a prominent role in the Whitewater Scandal.

Truman Arnold, chief fund-raiser for the Democratic Party in 1995 when the scandal broke, was investigated for a variety of  dubious money-raising schemes ranging from renting out the White House's Lincoln Bedroom to selling tickets on Air Force One. He was also fingered for procuring cash (read hush money) for convicted Clinton friend Web Hubbell.

Arnold, who played golf with Clinton regularly, coordinated payments to Webster Hubbell from businesses controlled by old friends of President Clinton and campaign donors that included the Lippo Group, organizers of a multibillion-dollar development in China that received the endorsement of the Clinton administration.

Now Truman Arnold's name has surfaced in connection with the investigation into the Venice FL flight schools made infamous by the September 11 terrorist attack.

In a curious aircraft transaction discovered while probing the tangled business affairs of Wallace J. Hilliard, 70, of Naples, FL, Truman Arnold appears to have 'loaned' Hilliard—for only a dollar—a Beechcraft King  Air 200 worth over $2 million. 

Moreover, it wasn't until almost a year later that Hilliard finally got around to arranging financing to pay for the plane, according to documents obtained from the FAA by the MadCowMorningNews.
 
 
 

"Being connected means never having to say you're sorry." 

On December 10, 2000, Truman Arnold engaged in his act of munificence with Wally Hilliard, owner of two flight schools which beginning in 1999 induced hundreds of Arab men to leave their desert kingdoms and come to American shores to learn to fly... 

Wally Hilliard's newly-discovered association with a benefactor at the heart of the American political process raises anew questions about whether the appearance of Mohamed Atta and his terrorist buddies in Venice, FL. was—as the official story has it—just a matter of mere happenstance. 

Wallace Hilliard, it is clear, has ties extending well into the upper reaches of American political circles, ties which may hold the answers to questions about how sophisticated operators like Hilliard and Dekkers were taken in by foreign student pilots demonstrating none of 'the right stuff.' 

In another bizarre twist, Truman Arnold’s lawyer during the Whitewater Investigation turns out to have been Democratic power-broker Richard Ben-Veniste, just nominated to serve on the 9/11 probe. 

If Ben-Veniste client Truman Arnold's business dealings with terror flight school owner Wally Hilliard come under scrutiny in the 9/11 probe, the slick Washington lawyer may find himself involved in a major national scandal from two different sides.

If he does, for Ben-Veniste, it won't even be for the first time. He served as Majority Counsel to the Congressional Whitewater probe investigating the actions of Truman Arnold, and then went on to defend Arnold before Ken Starr’s Whitewater grand jury, an action for which he was roundly criticized.
 

"Six Degrees of Richard Ben-Veniste"

Published reports at the time tarred the Democratic superlawyer for alleged misbehavior during the Whitewater investigation, claiming Ben-Veniste, while he was the Democratic counsel to the Whitewater Committee, had blocked inquiries about Webster Hubbell's hiring by the Lippo Group, and then turned around and defended a man he had just been (supposedly) investigating.

Addressing his critics Ben-Veniste wrote, "Truman Arnold's name never came up during the Whitewater investigation... because of the entirely collateral nature of the inquiry about Hubbell and Lippo... and given Arnold's total lack of involvement in any aspect of the matters before the Whitewater Committee, no honest argument can be made that my representation of Arnold transgresses professional guidelines."

Richard Ben-Veniste has been a 'utility player' in major American scandals in roles that are often not clearly-defined. Now Ben-Veniste, about to serve on his third major national investigative panel (Watergate, Whitewater, and 9/11), may be about to face the same criticism all over again.

But Ben-Veniste once again turning up at the 'scene of the crime,' is by no means the oddest thing about Truman Arnold and Wallace Hilliard’s aviation transaction...

That distinction would have to go to the aircraft bill of sale which conveyed the plane from Arnold to Hilliard.

Although it is dated December 10,2000, the MadCowMorningNews has learned exclusively that it was not submitted to the FAA until almost a year later, on January 31,2002.
 

Bread crumbs along the paper trail

While the purpose of this arrangement is unclear, one possible reason, aviation sources indicate, is that had the plane come under law enforcement scrutiny during this time, the person coming under suspicion would have been—not Wally Hilliard, the man using the plane—but Truman Arnold, who was still the owner of record. 

This is no small benefit, considering that the December 10, 2000 transfer date for the twin-engine King Air came right after Hilliard had lost his bid to retain possession of a Lear jet he owned which the DEA confiscated on the runway at Orlando Executive Airport in July of 2000 with 45 pounds of Columbian heroin aboard.

When that happened, Mr. Hilliard's name was 'mud,' at least with certain federal authorities.

Nonetheless, Hilliard continued putting together a company, Florida Air Holdings, which planned to offer commuter air service, after briefly flying in the Spring of 2000, when it was touted by Florida political luminary Katherine Harris.

When it offered commuter service again, under the name Discover Air, it went out of business again after not one ticket was sold on its inaugural route. Notwithstanding this dismal record, another Florida political luminary, Gov. Jeb Bush, stepped forward to tour its facilities and praise its seemingly un-praiseworthy management.

Against this backdrop of inexplicable aviation activity by Hilliard in Florida the State Dept announced a change of policy in January, after President Bush's swearing-in, instructing the U.S. Ambassador to Columbia, Anne Hamilton (from DEA chief Asa Hutchinson's home of Fort Smith, Arkansas, just minutes by air from infamous Mena, home of the biggest narcotics trafficking operation in history during the 1980's) to urge Columbia to "stop its opium eradication activities in favor of eliminating coca." 

When he found out, Republican Dan Burton was livid, and brought the matter before his House Govt. Reform Committee.

"In 2000 we saw initial success with the heroin strategy," Burton stated in the hearing. "Our allies and the Colombian National Police eradicated 9,200 hectares of opium poppy plants in Colombia's high Andes Mountains. This put a serious dent into the supply of heroin coming into the United States."

"It was then that the State Department chose to stop opium eradication," Burton fumed, "to, as Ambassador Patterson put it, 'take advantage of a historic opportunity to eradicate coca.'"

During hearings, Burton said that "Eradication of opium with the new Black Hawks that we gave them last year was stopped -- stopped while the coca eradication in the south took a priority. And the only problem is Colombia's cocaine is now increasingly headed in another direction: to Europe. And the opium poppy used to make more deadly Colombian heroin is almost exclusively headed to the United States of American and our East Coast."
 
 

"It's a small world after all."

What makes this digression into the politics of heroin of especial interest are two related facts:

1.Richard Ben-Veniste represented notorious Contra-era drug smuggler and CIA pilot Barry Seal, covered (read the chapter here) in Barry & the ‘boys.'" And

2.The King Air 200 which passed from Truman Arnold into Wally Hilliard's hands was originally one of a number of special "mil-spec" planes produced in 1981 for use in the Contra adventure in Central America.

Barry Seal 'owned' one, which later became the favorite plane of then-Texas Governor George W. Bush. 

Now Wally Hilliard 'owns' another.

Also of note is the fact that Barry Seal  had attempted to plea bargain himself out of trouble through the simple expedient of offering to 'roll' on his own attorney, Richard Ben-Veniste.

This novel approach caused a nervous Ben-Veniste to write a letter to Seal (reprinted in Barry & the boys from Seal's own archive) in which he says, "I have mentioned several times that I would appreciate your returning my two briefcases of legal materials which you have been holding as soon as possible."

Some observers detected a whiff of blackmail.

When we originally learned of this maneuver while writing "Barry & 'the boys,'" we thought, how odd.

Offering to roll on your attorney is odd. But rolling on someone else, slightly higher up in your particular criminal organization, like your boss...

That happens all the time.

Years later, well after Seal's assassination, the Wall Street Journal called him "the ghost haunting the Whitewater probe."

Richard Ben-Veniste may one day be known as "the ghost haunting the 9/11 investigation."

Today the Truman Arnold Company tops the Arkansas Business list of that state's largest private companies, after unseating Jackson Stephens Inc. of Little Rock, long unchallenged as the state's largest private company.

Jackson Stephens was often referred to by drug smuggler Barry Seal of the Mena drug smuggling operation as the "Old Man" 

No doubt all of this is mere coincidence, without the slightest relevance to an understanding of what happened in America on September 11th, 2001.

According to the FBI, which should know, the 19 hijackers had no help from any outside organization while in this country.

They were a Lone Cadre. 

Nothing to see here, folks.

Move along.
 

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Hillary will enrage the right even more by presenting one new idea after another.

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The teflon reference should wake them up, but alas, Hillary is transmogrifying into sort of a Jim Jones in a powder blue pantsuit to them.

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She can introduce several novel approaches, not only on the war on terrorism and Iraq, but most importantly on the shaky economy.

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Hillary will enrage the right even more by presenting one new idea after another.

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Can you name a single new idea that HRC has had?

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The health care plan she presented in the early 90s had some good ideas which could have been built upon. Clinton seems to be on the right side of the issues.

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WHAT GOOD IDEAS??? WHAT ISSUES???

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You beat me to it, but I'm sure that many here are anxious to hear spIndy's response.

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Forth, and most importantly, if HRC's next idea is as effective as her healthcare debacle, then bring it on!

Because her last idea gave the Republicans unoprecedented contol over the legislature.

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There is to be a $250 annual deductible, a 20% co-payment, and a $1000 annual limit (the government paying all costs thereafter). Home health care that would permit disabled people requiring skilled services to stay at home would be paid by both federal and state governments and patient co-payments of 0-40% of costs, depending on an individual's income.

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Clinton's original idea on prescription drug benefits for medicare were close to what we have today. Also, the important idea of home health care. Both ideas are now close to a reality. She was just ahead of her time. Finally, she dragged the Congress, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.

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Re:	Light of The World!

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She can introduce several novel approaches, not only on the war on terrorism and Iraq, but most importantly on the shaky economy.

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Let her do it then. Time is short. It has been correctly pointed out that she has the media at her beck and call, and she is all grown up and need seek no one's permission to illuminate this dark world with her new, scintillatingly luminous ideas!

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Individual

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By the way, can you name the last time the Dems held the Whitehouse without at least one southerner on the ticket?

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No. Unfortunately.

Name:	StarFlyte
To:	Hillaryist
Re:	Bad 19th Century Crackpot Ideas

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Clinton's original idea on prescription drug benefits for medicare were close to what we have today. Also, the important idea of home health care (as old as humanity) Both ideas are now close to a reality. She was just ahead of her time. Finally, she dragged the Congress, kicking and screaming, into the 19th century.

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All that crap is plain old antique shit-on-a-shingle Socialism, and it is hardly Hillary's idea, and it damned sure isn't new.

Name:	Smedley
To:	spIndy

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Clinton's original idea on prescription drug benefits for medicare were close to what we have today. Also, the important idea of home health care. Both ideas are now close to a reality. She was just ahead of her time. Finally, she dragged the Congress, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.

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First, the idea of prescription drug benefits for medicare weren't Clinton's ideas.

Second, considering that clinton voted agaisnt the drug benefits packages what we have today, it would appear that you're full of doodie since HRC surely would not vote against her own ideas.

Third -- how about something SOLID, and in the last four years, because if HRC has a talent for new ideas, you should be able to point to two or three.

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Seriously, I must go now, but I would ask you to seriously reflect on your rhetoric and determine whether it is but poopie or a statement that you can back with definite and recent examples.

take your time

Name:

Individual

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Because her last idea gave the Republicans unoprecedented contol over the legislature.

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Well. A cause and effect statement from a right wing extremist. And no supporting evidence (am I surprised). If we are going to speculate, I prefer to think that the democrats had been in control of the house for so long (40 years), that the statistical phenomenon of "regression toward the mean" was in operation. A party, even the republican party, couldn't be so bad that it could be out of power for such a long time without being due for a revival. In statistical parlance, the party was "due." With each passing two-year term, the probability seemed to favor the republicans. Good God, after 40 years out of power, you would think that something good had to happen for republicans.

Name:

Individual

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Second, considering that clinton voted agaisnt the drug benefits packages what we have today, it would appear that you're full of doodie since HRC surely would not vote against her own ideas.

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As I said, Clinton is on the right side of the issues. The piece of sh!t that got through the republican house is a disgrace. And I hope Kerry changes things when he gets in. But the legislation is moving in the right direction. And the current bill is good enough to build on, especially since the right wing extremists wanted virtually nothing.

Another of Senator Clinton's ideas in the mid-90s was that Americans should get as good health care as our elected representative. We'll see how that shakes out. Maybe Senator Clinton will have to drag Congress, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century again.

Name:

Individual

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All that crap is plain old antique -on-a-shingle Socialism, and it is hardly Hillary's idea, and it damned sure isn't new.

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My God. We're a socialist state. Even the republican Congress voted for the piece of sh!t. It was part of Clinton's proposal. And, as for new ideas, what is new under the Sun? I am waiting for the idea proposed by her that medicare recipients get as good a coverage as those in government service. Then we will see about new ideas. She will again drag the congress, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century. That is the newest idea I know of, given that the congress is controlled by individuals that want to take us back, not forward.

Name:

Kamikaze

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A horse is a horse, and then some.

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I've a great black horse named Freely Montageau. I pat his smooth nose and give him cocktail cherries, then climb aboard and he takes me far and wide upon his high shining back. It's a different world up there on Freely's back, a world where I am nine feet tall and fleet of foot, looking out of yesterday over Freely's head and into today, where the wind kisses my face as the world divides before me and rushes past on either side.

Why Freely Montageau? I really can't say, and he adamantly won't. I guess it suits him, though, 'cause he's never yet complained.

Name:

IDF

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1188088,00.html

Bush will walk re-election, says Murdoch

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington Thursday April 8, 2004 The Guardian A day after moving his News Corporation to the US, Rupert Murdoch got to work ingratiating himself with the locals yesterday, telling George Bush he was on his way to an easy victory in this year's presidential election.

Unperturbed by images of a mass insurrection in Iraq, or opinion polls that show a slow erosion of support for the president in what promises to be an exceedingly close vote, the media magnate predicted that Mr Bush would coast to a second term in November.

"He's going to walk it," Mr Murdoch told Sydney radio station 2GB. "The economy's doing extremely well and there is an international crisis. You've got to understand, America was attacked: 9/11 changed America."

His confidence in Mr Bush's prospects has resonance in America, where his media empire, led by the Fox television network, has presided over a collective rightward shift of the political centre.

It assumed even larger importance yesterday, a day after News Corporation announced that it would reincorporate in Delaware and list its shares on Wall Street. Although Mr Murdoch has lived in the US since the 1970s and been an American citizen for nearly two decades, his company had continued to be registered in Adelaide.

However, he has remained keenly interested in US politics and his sympathies are well-known. Fox television has proved a steadfast supporter of the Bush administration. Its chairman, Roger Ailes, a former Republican media consultant, is reportedly to issue daily guidelines to correspondents.

Meanwhile, the Weekly Standard magazine has provided a forum for highbrow neo-conservative intellectuals, as well as an informal sounding board for White House officials.

In his comments in Sydney, Mr Murdoch shared the view often reflected in Fox news coverage that the mainstream media has misrepresented events in Iraq. Although more than 30 US soldiers have died there since the weekend, he told the station there had been "tremendous progress in Iraq".

So far, in this election season, the tycoon and members of his family have donated $28,000 (£15,000) to Mr Bush's re-election campaign, as well as to Republican candidates for the US Senate and Congress, according to the Political Moneyline website.

It was unclear yesterday, however, whether the Republicans' lead in the fundraising stakes was paying off for Mr Bush. After spending $40m (£22m) on election campaign advertising, he remains in a statistical dead heat with his Democratic challenger, John Kerry.

Name:	Garry Whise
To:	forum

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If the president lied and Iraq has no WMD then why would CNN have a map of the locations of the Nuclear, Biological, Chemical and Missles locations. At the link bellow click on the WMD SITES tab, then chose one of the following tabs to view the maps.

CHEMICAL Tab

Iraqi forces have used chemical weapons with horrendous effect. Thousands of Iranian troops were killed by mustard gas, tabun, sarin, cyclosarin and VX during the eight-year Iran-Iraq War. Since the Persian Gulf War, Iraqi officials say, the country has destroyed thousands of tons of agents.

BIOLOGICAL Tab

After the Persian Gulf War, Iraq admitted producing thousands of gallons of biological agents. Baghdad says it has disposed of those toxins, a claims U.N. inspectors have largely been unable to verify. The agents -- including anthrax, botulinum and ricin -- are generally not contagious but cause death without treatment.

NUCLEAR Tab

During the 1980s, Iraqi experts collected perilous ingredients, devised ways to harness nuclear power and designed nuclear-ready weaponry. Many nuclear facilities were crushed in the Persian Gulf War, then U.N. inspectors oversaw the dismantling of Iraq's program. But U.S. officials warn the program could be revived.

MISSLE SITES Tab

Most of Iraq's missile research and production sites cluster around Baghdad, between the U.N.-mandated "no-fly" zones and near the hub of Saddam Hussein's power. Iraq says its missiles meet U.N. requirements, but a February 2003 U.N. inspectors' report found that some missile tests exceeded the allowed range.

MISSLE RAGNES Tab

During the Persian Gulf War, Iraqi forces fired Scud missiles into Saudi Arabia and Israel in an effort to disrupt the U.S.-led coalition. After the war, the U.N. limited the Iraqi missiles' range to 93 miles (150 km). In February 2003, U.N. inspectors said some missile systems exceeded that limit, a charge Iraq downplayed.

Name:

Garry Whise

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Name:

Individual

Message:
Let's put it this way. Clinton's proposals of the early and mid nineties as regards medicare drug prescription benefits and home health care were so good and so far ahead of her time that we can expect the same kind of forward thinking on any issue if she becomes the vice president. She has proven herself.

Name:	Ryan Switchtail
To:	Obsessive Individual Hillary Cultist
Re:	Total disconnect from reality

In response to:
My God. We're a socialist state. Even the republican Congress voted for the piece of sh!t. It was part of Clinton's proposal. And, as for new ideas, what is new under the Sun? I am waiting for the idea proposed by her that medicare recipients get as good a coverage as those in government service. Then we will see about new ideas. She will again drag the congress, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century. That is the newest idea I know of, given that the congress is controlled by individuals that want to take us back, not forward

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You are out of your mind, Individual. You have lied yourslf into madness.

Name:	How Teet
To:	friend

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John Kerry: Islamists' Useful Idiot

By Washington Times

Washington Times | April 9, 2004

The Democratic Party, which gave America the proud legacies of men like Harry Truman and Henry "Scoop" Jackson, is poised to nominate for president a man who either doesn't understand the struggle against radical Islam or blindly went trolling for votes from a radical Islamic organization.

In December, when John Kerry was badly trailing Howard Dean, the Massachusetts senator spoke at the annual convention of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), an anti-Semitic organization that has defended infamous terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Addressing the Long Beach, Calif., audience by phone, Mr. Kerry told the crowd that he "really want to earn support of Muslim leaders across the United States." Mr. Kerry appealed to the crowd by strongly implying that the Bush administration is not protecting the First Amendment rights of Muslims. "I believe this administration is moving our country in a radically wrong direction and is cynically exploiting people in the country and has forgotten some of the heart of the Constitution of the United States of America," he said during his speech.

Mr. Kerry's words, though not justified by facts or any reasonable interpretation of reality, are not the primary problem. His willingness to address the group in the first place is. No presidential candidate should lend legitimacy to a group with MPAC's track record.

On the day of the September 11 attacks, MPAC's executive director and co-founder, Salam Al-Marayati, wasted no time launching into an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, saying on KCRW-FM's "Which Way, L.A.?" program that "we should put the state of Israel on the suspect list." MPAC has also defended the actions of terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah. Mr. Al-Marayati, at a speech at the University of Pennsylvania in 1997, lauded Hamas' "social and educational operations" and downplayed what he called "its quote unquote military operations." In a 1998 speech at the National Press Club, MPAC Senior Adviser Maher Hathout claimed that Hezbollah merely fights for the "American values" of "freedom and liberty."

It's possible, of course, that Mr. Kerry's campaign had no idea about the true nature of MPAC. But given the group's notoriety, particularly among many in Los Angeles, how could the Kerry staff have been so careless?

The other alternative is far worse. We don't suspect that Mr. Kerry shares any of MPAC's views. But knowing the ugly truth about MPAC and speaking there anyway would not be much better. We hope for Mr. Kerry's sake that his campaign staff were simply completely inept.

Name:

Individual

In response to:
If the president lied and Iraq has no WMD then why would CNN have a map of the locations of the Nuclear, Biological, Chemical and Missles locations. At the link bellow click on the WMD SITES tab, then chose one of the following tabs to view the maps.

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Part of the Cheney-Bush bull sh!t. Here's a question for you: If the uprising in Iraq stays at the present level or gets worse (which I think it will), can Bush be re-elected? Can Bush muster even 40% of the vote under those circumstances?

Name:	Gerome Genome
To:	Individual and Other Cultists of Hillary Regina
Re:	Feedom! Hillary has no right to drag anyone anywhere!!

In response to:
She will again drag the congress, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century

Message:
Fat chance. She is an ideological relic of the long-gone 19th Century's worst nightmares.

Furthermore, has it over crossed your mind that Hillary Clinton has no right to drag ANYONE, let alone the U.S. Congress, "Kicking and screaming" ANYHERE?

Name:	Hootch Honniker
To:	The Hillaryite Coven
Re:	Cultists seeking tyranny

In response to:
Feedom

Message:
Feedom fish-heads! (should read "Freedom!")

Name:

Individual

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Here's another question: If all of the rioting in Iraq causes the U.S. to relent to the Shiites, will the American people accept our sacrifice for the accomplishment that we traded a merciless tyrant for an Iranian style government?

Name:

Dinkle Acker

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Carter Administration:

Iran hostage crisis 22% inflation (money was almost worthless) Larger EPA Fuel shortages and gas lines Cuts in defense and intelligence

Yeah, Jim-ASS Carter's got room to talk, eh?

Name:	General Dreedle
To:	Individual of the Joint Chiefs
Re:	How you hope for disaster! What a pissant you are!

In response to:
Part of the Cheney-Bush bull sh!t. Here's a question for you: If the uprising in Iraq stays at the present level or gets worse (which I think it will), can Bush be re-elected? Can Bush muster even 40% of the vote under those circumstances

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You'd better hope you are wrong. Under the scenario you imagine, Bush would probably pull about 60% of the vote. Most Americans aren't losers like you.

Name:

Individual

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Furthermore, has it over crossed your mind that Hillary Clinton has no right to drag ANYONE, let alone the U.S. Congress, "Kicking and screaming" ANYHERE?

Message:
Some of her ideas have stood the test of time. She has the "right", whatever that means.

Name:	IT's ALIVE!!!!
To:	ET
Re:	Hillary the Musical!!!

In response to:
Hillary will energize Kerry's campaign... by drawing most of the fire away from Kerry ...and most of the funds in the right-wing war chest too!"

Message:
Victor Frankenstein thought he could reanimate soulless corpses too...

Name:

Individual

In response to:
Under the scenario you imagine, Bush would probably pull about 60% of the vote. Most Americans aren't losers like you.

Message:
You mean the same Americans who give Bush only 39% support for his handling of the Iraq situation, according to the most recent poll.

Name:	Railsbach
To:	Individual Con
Re:	Kerry-Kohn surrender monkey & U.N. bootlicker

In response to:
Here's another question: If all of the rioting in Iraq causes the U.S. to relent to the Shiites, will the American people accept our sacrifice for the accomplishment that we traded a merciless tyrant for an Iranian style government?

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That is not going to happen unless John Forbes Kerry-Kohn gets elected.

Name:

Individual

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These assets will strengthen the Kerry campaign immeasurably. Rather than overshadow Senator Kerry, Ms. Taylor thinks a Clinton vice presidency can energize the Democratic base by running two strong candidates and presenting the voters with a true, clear option in November, 2004.

Message:
You definitely have something there. And I love the idea of the right wing extremists spending a lot of money on Clinton attack ads.

Name:	21st Century Mullah
To:	Spin

In response to:
will the American people accept our sacrifice for the accomplishment that we traded a merciless tyrant for an Iranian style government?

Message:
Anyone who thinks Hillary is the dem Messiah damn sure will. Why does it bother you so much what the Iranians do when you are shilling for some socialist Mullah (Hillary) who's religion is control?

Name:

Individual

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That is not going to happen unless John Forbes Kerry-Kohn gets elected.

Message:
Wake up. It is happening now. Bush and his he+n+chmen are incompetents.

Name:	Dirty Shirt Hooten
To:	Squab
Re:	And where do they get their news?

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You mean the same Americans who give Bush only 39% support for his handling of the Iraq situation, according to the most recent poll. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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And John Kohn Kerry's numbers on the same questions? (YES, JOHN KOHN KERRY DOES HAVE A RECORD VIS A VIS THE WAR ON TERROR) Do you have a verbatim copy of all of the questions put to the pollees in this marvelous poll of yours? Would you like to present it here?

Name:	Aragon Plateau
To:	Individual Cultist
Re:	Your Hillary Regina

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Some of her ideas have stood the test of time. She has the "right", whatever that means. (interesting but not unexpected commment from a bootlicker extraordinaire)

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She may be your master, Individual, but she is not and she never will be my master.

Name:

Individual

In response to:
And John Kohn Kerry's numbers on the same questions? (YES, JOHN KOHN KERRY DOES HAVE A RECORD VIS A VIS THE WAR ON TERROR) Do you have a verbatim copy of all of the questions put to the pollees in this marvelous poll of yours? Would you like to present it here?

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I'll remain status quo. I am more than satisfied that Bush has only a 39% rating as regards his handling of the Iraq situation. He and his hen+ch+men are incompetents. Maybe Bush, et al, are thinking of taking a leaf out of Reagan's book and cutting and running while the running is good.

Name:

Individual

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She may be your master, Individual, but she is not and she never will be my master.

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That's not the point. She is not anyone's master. When she has an idea that stands the test of time, it should be recognized. That's all.

Name:	Ms. Taylor is an Idiot
Re:	Shills for Hill

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Ms. Taylor thinks a Clinton vice presidency can energize the Democratic base by running two strong candidates and presenting the voters with a true, clear option in November, 2004.

Message:
Ms. Taylor obviously doesn't think the blue blood filp-flopster has a chance and is grasping at vampires. No one votes for the VP and never will. She is desperate as hell as well she should be.

As a southerner I take exception to you and Individuals sneering, uppity elitism.

You, Individual, and Hillary should do the channeling thing and bring back that other disaster one worlder Eleanor Roosevelt in a private circle jerk party and leave the rest of we thinking American the hell alone.

The democrats have time and time again proven themselves over the last 40 years as ineffectual guilt pushing wimps. That's fine but don't drag us into your swamp.

Name:

Individual

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And another thing. Reagan wasn't the brightest guy in the world. But he did not pass the buck. He took the blame for the hundreds killed in Lebanon. Bush is the buck-passer of this or any other century. He and one of his h*en*chmen wouldn't even say they are sorry for their inability to stop 9-11.

Name:

Individual

In response to:
Ms. Taylor obviously doesn't think the blue blood filp-flopster has a chance and is grasping at vampires.

Message:
I didn't think Kerry had a chance earlier. But with the ongoing problems in Iraq, including the almost daily American casualties, I think Bush has one foot in deep sh!t. As for the flip-flop, I hope Kerry and his campaign managers get with it. Bush has the idea that he "doesn't want to be confused by the facts." Bush won't change no matter what. The facts change, but Bush does not want to be confused by the changing facts.

Name:

Individual

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As a southerner I take exception to you and Individuals sneering, uppity elitism.

Message:
That's pure BS. What sneering, uppity elitism? And what's being a southerner got to do with it? What does this mean?

Name:	Yanmar War Buggy
To:	Individual
Re:	Slogans and hogwash and failed 19th century ideology.

In response to:
That's not the point. She is not anyone's master. When she has an idea that stands the test of time, it should be recognized. That's all.

Message:
She is YOUR master, if not her own, (that would be Bill) and she has no idea which has successfully stood the test of time. Not one. She is an avid Socialist, just as you are. It's also worth noting that some very bad ideas, such as the Ku Klux Klan, have stood the test of time.

Name:

Individual is an Idiot

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The facts change, but Bush does not want to be confused by the changing facts.

Message:
Your facts change little girl as evidenced by your pathetic shilling.

FACT: The tax cut is extricating us out of the Clinton/Gore recession.

FACT: The terrorists are paying a price they could not imagine during miracles boys tenure.

FACT: We arew now dealing with the ramifications of the croney capitalism of crooked CFO's who cooked books during your heroes term.

FACT: Your head is up you ass.

Name:	Vegamatic Deluxe
To:	Individual
Re:	To hell with Socialism.

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That's pure BS. What sneering, uppity elitism? And what's being a southerner got to do with it? What does this mean?

Message:
You are so wrapped up in your tiness that you are no more aware of it than a maggot is aware of the filth around him or that a reeking bum is aware of his personal stench.

Like the maggot, you relish your selfish tiness and feed off of it, filling yourself with it and excreting slogans made of it. It is your universe and your succor.

In your inverted world, you squat in your own warm little puddle of and imagine yourself to be the superior of everyone around you and that you are looking down upon them, cloaked in deep wisdom, from far above when in fact you are looking up.

Southerner? Think Red State / Blue State.

Name:	Vegaluxe
To:	Anti-Individual

In response to:
Extension & Correction

Message:
You are so wrapped up in your snottiness that you are no more aware of it than a maggot is aware of the filth around him or that a reeking bum is aware of his personal stench.

Like the maggot, you relish your selfish snottiness and feed off of it, filling yourself with it and excreting slogans made of it. It is your universe and your succor.

In your inverted world, you squat in your own warm little puddle of snot and imagine yourself to be the superior of everyone around you and that you are looking down upon them cloaked in deep wisdom from far above when in fact you are looking up at ordinary people, most all of whom do a better job of managing their affairs than you, with your crackpot ideas, could ever hope to do. In any case, it is not your office to manage other people's affairs, nor is it the government's office to manage them.

Southerner? Think Red State / Blue State.

Name:

Pelican Posse

In response to:
If Kerry chooses Hillary Rodham Clinton as his Vice President, the Republicans would be forced to divide their army into two divisions and waste their bullets and manpower on Hillary.

Message:
In the words of the esteemed John (flipper) Kerry:

BRING IT ON!!!!

Name:

Individual

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Southerner? Think Red State / Blue State.

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What about the good ol' Mountain States? Colorado, Idaho, Utah, Wyomin', Montana? As I remember it, Utah is the most republican state in the country because of the dippy Mormons.

Name:

Individual

In response to:
You are so wrapped up in your tiness

Message:
Wrongamoondo. That sounds exactly like a right wing extremist.

Name:	Bed Bug
To:	Cowering Minions Of Nany Government
Re:	O! Goroo!

In response to:
Global Cooling

Message:
WARNING! GLOBAL COOLING IS POISED TO STRIKE DEEP INTO THE UNITED STATES! THE EASTER BUNNY IS NOT EXPECTED TO SURVIVE! KERRY SAYS SUVS AT FAULT ALONG WITH BUSH CHENEY REGIME! CHILDREN WILL BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED, AND COUNSELORS ARE RECOMMENDED ALONG WITH MASSIVE DOSES OF RITALIN!! TAXES MUST GO SHARPLY UPWARD IMMEDIATELY TO COPE WITH THIS NATIONAL EMERGENCY! FARM STATE SUBSIDY SCHEMES MUT BE DOUBLED, AND WE MUST WORK DILIGENTLY TO SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF THE OLD PEOPLE! THE SKY IS FALLING PEOPLE! GLOBAL COOLING IS BEARING DOWN EVEN AS IRAQ EXPLODES AND GAS PRICES ZOOM!!

Name:	-----
To:	Individual

In response to:
As I remember it, Utah is the most republican state in the country because of the dippy Mormons.

Message:
"Dippy Mormons?" And what are you, f*ckwad?

Name:

Individual

In response to:
It's also worth noting that some very bad ideas, such as the Ku Klux Klan, have stood the test of time.

Message:
Sure. But that is only one criterion. The fact that others have jumped on her bandwagon, so to say, is also a plus. She has dragged the Congress, kicking and screaming, into the new century--thank God.

Name:

Individual

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As I remember it, Utah is the most republican state in the country because of the dippy Mormons.

Message:
Sorry for the slur. I am only repeating what the SouthernBaptists say.

Name:	Earl T. Billups
To:	Individual Tyrant
Re:	Freedom Vs. Socialist tyranny

In response to:
Wrongamoondo. That sounds exactly like a right wing extremist.

Message:
You are a lying Left wing extremist eager to use the power of government to force your ideas upon others. That makes you a miserable pissant. That is your choice. That is how you utilize your freedoms, to attempt to destroy the freedoms of others and compel them to give up their resources to finance your interests. You belong in Castro's cane fields swinging a dull machete in the August heat. That would do you a world of good! Try a little of that Collectivism on. Papa Fidel will provide you with full medical coverage.

Name:	Bhulwhopper
To:	Individual Bigot
Re:	Save your insincere apologies, dirtbag.

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Sorry for the slur. I am only repeating what the SouthernBaptists say. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
Best you shut up, elitist SNOT!!

Name:	U.S.A.
To:	Individual. U.N. Tool
Re:	Southern more a state of mind now

In response to:
What about the good ol' Mountain States? Colorado, Idaho, Utah, Wyomin', Montana? As I remember it, Utah is the most republican state in the country because of the dippy Mormons. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
The Civil War is over. Long over. The country now has new alignments, as revealed by the famous map. "Southern" is now more a state of mind than a specific geographic region, and it is an unapologetically independent, self-sufficient, America first state of mind.

Name:

Southerner

In response to:
What about the good ol' Mountain States? Colorado, Idaho, Utah, Wyomin', Montana? As I remember it, Utah is the most republican state in the country because of the dippy Mormons.

Message:
What about Tennessee which is Al Gores home state that he didn't win?

FACT: If Al Gore would have carried his own home state, he'd have won the election. I guess they know something that Spin doesn't.

FACT: Al Gore couldn't carry his own state.

FACT: Facts don't change no matter how much Spin wishes they would.

Name:	Dread Disease
To:	Democrats
Re:	Kerry is a puke. Not to worry, you have the media! Use it!

In response to:
How to get Bush out of Hillary's house:

Message:
First of all, get that damned revolting Kerry out. Duct tape him up securely and drop him down one of Babs many chimneys to shut him up till after November. Generate a scandal for cover, or get word out that he has AIDS or something. Next, draft Hillary and put her on the top of the ticket. She will accept nothing less. Then, put John McCain in the veep slot. He will balk, but you can buy him. He likes power, so just see to it that he perceives you as the path to power and you'll have him. The media will explode into action and Hillary will pull off a 49-47 win and Nader will go down in flames in a defective product. In year three of Hillary I, knock McCain off with a juicy scandal and install Nancy Pelosi in the veep slot for Hillary II.

Name:	------
To:	Individual

In response to:
Sorry for the slur. I am only repeating what the SouthernBaptists say.

Message:
You showed your true colors, you nutless liberal c*cksucker. Crawl back in your f*cking hole, sh!t eater.

Name:	Day At The Beach
To:	Individual

In response to:
"...I am only repeating what..."

Message:

Whoa!

I'm shocked!

(snicker)

Name:	Gaul
To:	forum

Message:
Subject: Its time to reevaluate our involvement!

Every day there are news reports about more deaths. Every night on TV there are photos of death and destruction. Why are we stil