Calm down. It's not Iraq War II
 
COMMENTARY
Calm down. It's not Iraq War II

By Marc Erikson

Just over a month ago, I warned of the illusion of a Shi'ite-led democratic Iraq propounded by US neo-conservatives around and embedded in the US Bush administration (Dangerous illusions of a democratic Shi'ite Iraq, February 26). I warned, in particular, that "Muqtada al-Sadr, age 31, is a more radical exponent of his father's beliefs and teachings", noting that the father, Mohammed Sadiq al-Sadr, assassinated (along with two sons) on the direct orders of Saddam Hussein's son Uday in 1999, was an adherent of the clerical style of rule adopted by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in the Iranian revolution of 1979.

The latest events, then, come as no surprise.
I'm not surprised, either, by the latest glaring US intelligence and policy failure of apparently neither discerning nor interdicting the massive influx to Iraq of Iranian money and personnel in aid of Muqtada and associated movements. Worse yet, perhaps the Central Intelligence Agency and Pentagon did discern the Iranian role, but continue to harbor the illusion that enemies' enemies might be friends and a counterweight to the remaining troublesome Saddamists in the Sunni triangle.

That said, alarmist reports/opinions in the pages of this newspaper and other international publications suggesting that Iraq War, Take 2, has broken out (or is about to) are overdrawn and smack of anti-American Schadenfreude. Muqtada is a youngish, uneducated thug and regarded as such by the senior Shi'ite clergy. He has no standing or credentials as a teacher or jurist. But senior Shi'ite religious and political leaders likely are giving him a run to further their own goal of gaining leverage with the occupying authorities.

The problem is that, though there is no love lost between Muqtada and his Shi'ite street following and the diehard Sunni Ba'athists of Fallujah and Ramadi, the latter take encouragement from the spreading of the anti-occupation action. But we are not looking at a burgeoning Shi'ite/Sunni intifada bent on or capable of expelling the occupying powers. We are not looking at a second Iraq war. Unlike in Palestine, the majority of Iraqis do not support Muqtada's Spartakist uprising or the Sunni triangle terrorist campaign. They want peace, order and business, and want to get on with their lives.

The larger problem lies with the longer-term aims of the senior Shi'ite leadership. They have called for earliest possible elections to secure their rule, and only grudgingly accepted the new Iraqi constitution, which is secular and egalitarian (notably in respect of women) in nature. I am not a "one man, one vote, one time" cynic. But the Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani does not strike me as a democrat at heart. Shrewdly calculating his potential leverage gains, he has not (as of this writing) made even a gesture at condemning Muqtada's actions. Were Muqtada captured under the present arrest orders, Sistani would likely deplore it. In the longer run, Sistani wants Shi'ite clergy power in Iraq and - once attained - will ally Iraq with the mullahs of Iran. Therein lies the clear and present danger of the current turn of events. The Muqtada rebellion the Americans can and will handle; the longer-term goal of a democratic Shi'ite Iraq is a quixotic cause.  source...

 


Name:   Kerry-Clinton Ticket
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If Hillary Clinton is selected as John Kerry's running mate, would she out-shine Kerry?
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The "Kerry/Clinton" ticket?

If Hillary Clinton is selected as John Kerry's running mate, would she out-shine Kerry?

The liberal left say that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY is just waiting for the smoke to clear before offering herself for the vice-presidential slot with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., the Democratic front-runner, for the Democratic presidential nomination. The "Kerry/Clinton" ticket.

Of course, to the Democratic liberal left, all things Clinton are desirable, but this ticket would make for an especially delicious upset. Something about Hillary Clinton avenging Al Gore's defeat in Election 2000 just makes their eyes glaze. They can't help it.

Very few vice-presidential candidates can actually win votes for the top of the ticket: But the Democratic liberal left thinks Hillary can.

National elections are decided by the ones on the fence. Die-hard Republicans aren't going to vote for a Democrat anymore than die-hard Democrats are going to vote for a Republican. In this election, even the moderates in both parties are likely to vote along strict partisan lines.

The ones that will decide who takes control of Good Ship America for the next four years are a tiny minority.

And most of them voted for Bill Clinton both times.

The only voters Hillary Clinton might alienate are already going to vote for George Bush anyway.

America is at war with roughly one-sixth of humanity, and its only genuine ally is Israel, the most hated nation on the face of the earth. The global propaganda machine is well-oiled and functioning, ready to play its appointed role.

Our European 'alliances' continue to crumble, anti-Semitism at the United Nations and in Europe threaten Israel's continued existence.

The War on Terrorism is a religious war, fought between believers in God and believers in Allah. Non-believers see all religious fundamentalists in the same light and want the United Nation to oversee the creation of a more inclusive, user-friendly, universal religion.

This election is of critical importance and America will depend on who is sitting in the Oval Office for the next four years.  source...

 


Name:   Sul Rost
To:   forum

Re:   Naturally,
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Washington Times, America's Priemier Nespaper that makes Hurst newspapers look like birdcage liner that they are. Hurst should buy Pravda and add Moscow News.

******Nothing unusual about this since "The Base" is something processed in Marsellis' French drug laboratories to the Clinton Administration!

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Al Qaeda absent from final Clinton report By James G. Lakely

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The final policy paper on national security that President Clinton submitted to Congress — 45,000 words long — makes no mention of al Qaeda and refers to Osama bin Laden by name just four times.

The scarce references to bin Laden and his terror network undercut claims by former White House terrorism analyst Richard A. Clarke that the Clinton administration considered al Qaeda an "urgent" threat, while President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, "ignored" it.

The Clinton document, titled "A National Security Strategy for a Global Age," is dated December 2000 and is the final official assessment of national security policy and strategy by the Clinton team. The document is publicly available, though no U.S. media outlets have examined it in the context of Mr. Clarke's testimony and new book.

Miss Rice, who will testify publicly Thursday before the commission investigating the Bush and Clinton administrations' actions before the September 11 attacks, was criticized last week for planning a speech for September 11, 2001, that called a national missile-defense system a leading security priority.

President Bush yesterday denied the accusation that his administration had made dealing with al Qaeda a low priority.

"Let me just be very clear about this: Had we had the information that was necessary to stop an attack, I'd have stopped the attack," Mr. Bush said, adding that after September 11, "the stakes had changed."

"This country immediately went on war footing, and we went to war against al Qaeda. It took me very little time to make up my mind," he said. "Once I determined al Qaeda [did] it, [I said], 'We're going to go get them.' And we have, and we're going to keep after them until they're brought to justice and America is secure."

Mr. Bush and Vice President Cheney will meet with the commission in the coming weeks behind closed doors, but a date has not been set. Meanwhile, the president said he looks forward to hearing Miss Rice defend the administration in a public forum.

"She'll be great," Mr. Bush said. "She's a very smart, capable person who knows exactly what took place and will lay out the facts."

The Clinton administration's final national-security report stated that its reaction to terrorist strikes was to "neither forget the crime, nor ever give up on bringing the perpetrators to justice."

The document boasted of "a dozen terrorist fugitives" who had been captured abroad and handed over to the United States "to answer for their crimes."

Those perpetrators included the men responsible for the first attack on the World Trade Center, which the intelligence community largely thought by late 2000 to be the work of operatives with links to al Qaeda. Listed among those brought to justice was a man who killed two persons outside CIA headquarters in 1993, and "an attack on a Pan Am flight more than 18 years ago."

Several high-ranking Bush administration officials, and the president himself, have faulted the Clinton administration for treating global terrorism as a law enforcement issue and not recognizing that bin Laden declared war on the United States in 1998.

Mr. Bush often notes that about two-thirds of al Qaeda's thousands of members — including many key leaders — have been either captured or killed since the attacks, and that 44 of the 55 top Iraqi officials under Saddam Hussein in a deck of cards have been "taken care of."

The liberal Center for American Progress yesterday echoed Mr. Clarke's criticism of the Bush administration by publishing a timeline of statements that it says proves the current White House national security team did not make fighting al Qaeda a priority before the attacks.


Name:   More Bad News for Democrats and Individual
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US Jobless Claims in Three-Year Low

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Name:   Ted Kennedy
In response to:
If Hillary Clinton is selected as John Kerry's running mate, would she out-shine Kerry?

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Don't do it John! You'll have a bullet in your head within a year.


Name:   Smedley
Re:   Condi Rice
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So far Condi Rice's testimony is straightforward and doesn't try to play politics or blame Bill Clinton or his toadies. She puts things in historical perspective and outlines the positive things the Bush administration did, rather than trying to mentioning the things Clinton did that had a negative impact.

I wish the 9-11 panel would be as non-political as Condi. Republicans throwing softballs and Ben V. acting like a total horse's arse -- asking questions and trying to keep Rice from fully answering. Rice is refusing to allow the Dems soundbite opportunities.

So far the 9-11 panel has shown itself to be more interested in the upcoming election, rather than a cohesive group trying to get to the bottom of things.

What a shame!


Name:   Editor
To:   Smedley

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I admire Condi. She's doing a great job.


Name:   Observer
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Obviously the problem has been lifer government employees who's sole function is to cover their asses. Remember kids, it's the same hacks you leftists would like to have take care of your health care.


Name:   Smedley
To:   Observer

Re:   more Condi and Kerrey
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Christ, the Dems, especially Bob Kerrey, are sounding shrill. The accusations that Kerrey (with two Es) are throwing are stupid. Like gee, there was a memo written months earlier about a hijacking threat ...

Kerrey is not even asking questions, and what in God's name does the war in Iraq (part of Kerrey's rant) have to do with 9-11?


Name:   Smedley
To:   Editor

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I admire Condi. She's doing a great job.

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And she's doing everything not to play the blame game. For example, in response to Kerrey's shrill accusations about the CIA and FBI not working together, Condi points out that "there were legal impediments".

What a nice way to say not to point out that the there were laws and policies enacted during and by the Clinton administration that made it impossible for the FBI and CIA to work together.

Too bad the Dems are out for soundbites, rather than solutions.


Name:   Sul Rost
To:   forum

Re:   Tell tale photogs revael who they want to please
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Why were photographers allowed to fool around behind Condelleeza Rice taking prime photos of "attack dog" Democrats and stay away when Republicans ask questions. Bob Kerrey: (paraphrased)"I don't want to say we screwed up and use the "n word here" but... blah blah"

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Then why , Mr Kerry, are you being accusatory and bringing up racial overtones?

The Clinton Admin. had an obvious target to protect, the World Trade Center and left a "hellova mess to clean up between Al Gore's lawyers in Florida and the various foul-ups and booby traps that had to be taken care of while the usual business of running the USA was at hand."

Just figuring out who to keep snd who to let go was a headache. Unfortunately, Mr Bush chose the wrong guy to help out , got a disloyal CYA type from the Clinton debacle and wound up attacked by the enemy within. The Fifth Column is giving valuable aid and comfort to the enemy at the expense of our troops. Finger pointing and hindsight damning will not improve the situation. Lawyers requiring larger offices to defend captured Al Quaeda operatives is also quite telling. Lawyers attempting to get security forces to overlook the obvious is part of the problem as well. Ms. Rice, out of courtesy and being busy, will not bring up the enemy within. But she has pointed a bit of fun at some of the more obviously blind attack dogs. One attacker asked her the title of a document AFTER she had already told him. Apparently he was so busy contemplating his next 4 part 97 word question that he didn't hear her answer.


Name:   Smedley
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In all reality, in the pre-911 world, would the Republicans just not make hay of Clinton had he tried to attack Afghanistan in an election year, esp. while Gore was floundering -- especially in light of Clinton's scandal sheet..

Would the Dems in the pre-911 world just not go totally nuts if Bush tried to invade Afghanistan a few months after entering office? Would a single Dem have voted for such an invasion pre-911? Would the Dems just not go totally ape-sh!t if Bush tried to explain that America need to go to war on the other side of the globe because there was a memo that somewhere in the world al Qaeda might be planning to hijack a plane with no information about where on the planet this would take place and no indication about slamming planes into big buildings?

Sorry, but the 9-11 panel is a joke. A political joke.


Name:   Individual
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More Bad News for Democrats and Individual

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Good news. I have a daughter who is looking for a better job. On the negative side, Wholesale Inventories are at 1.2% vs a predicted 0.3%. Not good news.


Name:   Concerned Individual
Re:   Clintons and Real Estate...Wazzup?
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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (Reuters) - It was a bad weekend for two Arkansas families in homes once occupied by former U.S. President Bill Clinton -- one house failed to sell and another caught fire.

A small, frame structure in Hope, Arkansas, where Clinton spent part of his childhood, failed to sell during the 10 days it was offered to on-line bidders on eBay.com. The owner, Gary Johnson, a Hope tourism official, isn't sure why.

"We had set a $45,000 minimum bid, but eBay kicked it up to $200,000," Johnson said. "How eBay came up with $200,000, we don't understand."

Johnson said the house is still for sale, although not on-line.

The 950-square-foot (88-square-meter) house was the second Clinton and his mother occupied in Hope following his birth in 1946. Clinton has said he can trace many happy childhood memories to that house. The first home is now a museum.

A home in Hot Springs, Arkansas, where Clinton and his family lived after they moved from Hope, was heavily damaged in a fire on Sunday night.

The current owner was working on an automobile that caught fire. The flames entered the attic from the garage and then spread through the structure, said Hot Springs fire chief Opal Sanders.

"The damage was pretty extensive. It was burning pretty good by the time we arrived," Sanders said.

The Hot Springs home was a modest, brick veneer residence.


Name:   Individual
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Was there anyone in the Bush administration, CIA, FBI, etc. recommending that airports be put on high alert before 9-11? If Bush or any of the "powers that be" ignored this recommendation (if there was one), that should be brought out.


Name:   Smedley
To:   spIndividual

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Good news. I have a daughter who is looking for a better job. On the negative side, Wholesale Inventories are at 1.2% vs a predicted 0.3%. Not good news.

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Obviously, your daughter's employment problem is all Bush's fault.


Name:   Bleh!!!
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Not good news.

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There is never good news when Republicans are in charge. The homeless magically reappear, people don't work, they can't pay their bills, prices go up, AIDS ravages, dogs bite, trees die, little old ladies eat cat food, homos get the crap beat out of them, women bump their heads on the glass ceiling, minority discrimination increases, people can't get drugs that they need, water gets polluted, endangered species get wiped out, global warming increases, inventories fall, and dog gonnit, Individual just isn't happy.


Name:   Smedley
Re:   New insanity from the Eco-weenies
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The rocket engines for the Minuteman II missiles, which are designed to deliver nuclear payloads across the world, are to be reformulated in order to be more environmentally friendly.


Name:   fuh q
To:   individual

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Wholesale Inventories are at 1.2% vs a predicted 0.3%. Not good news.

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Please stop discussing anything economic or financial! Your statement makes no sense. Here is an excerpt from Bloomberg:

April 8 (Bloomberg) -- The number of Americans filing initial claims for jobless benefits fell to the lowest in more than three years last week and wholesalers built inventories at the fastest pace since 1999 in February, evidence that companies are growing more confident in the U.S. economic expansion.

Initial claims dropped to 328,000 from 342,000 the week before, the Labor Department said in Washington. Last week's filings were the fewest since the week ended Jan. 13, 2001, before President George W. Bush took office. Inventories rose 1.2 percent in February, the Commerce Department said.

Profits are rising and the economy may expand at the fastest pace in two decades this year, prompting companies such as glassmaker Corning Inc. to hire. Payrolls rose 308,000 last month, the biggest jump in almost four years. Wholesalers' sales rose 1.3 percent in February, more than inventories, keeping the stockpiles on hand at a record-low 1.17 months' worth.

``Companies are hiring and starting to rebuild inventories and that is a sign of confidence,'' said James O'Sullivan, a senior economist at UBS Securities LLC in Stamford, Connecticut. ``The implication from claims is that the trend in payrolls is still accelerating.''

Optimism among U.S. manufacturing executives in March about their prospects for the next three to six months reached a record in the first quarter, the Arlington, the Virginia-based Manufacturers Alliance/MAPI said today. Its quarterly index of future business activity registered 78 for the first three months of 2004, the highest since the survey began in 1972. The previous high was 77, set in the last quarter of 2003.


Name:   Individual
To:   Smedley

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Wake up. If airports were on "high alert" at the time of 9-11, what's this investigation all about? No need for an investigation because it is clear that airport security failed and was solely responsible for the 9-11 disaster. Unless there is a security level higher than "high alert," we should stop wasting taxpayer money. If there is a security level higher than "high alert," then my question would be "Did anyone in the administration, FBi, CIA recommend that airports be put on the very highest level of security before 9-11?


Name:   Individual
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Please stop discussing anything economic or financial! Your statement makes no sense.

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You are not awake yet, I presume. When the wall street analysts project one figure (0.3%) and the actual figure comes in four times as great (1.2%), this is not good news. Get your coffee, take a sh!t, and then you'll be all right.


Name:   Smedley
To:   spIndividual

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Wake up. If airports were on "high alert" at the time of 9-11, what's this investigation all about?

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Get a freaking clue! The intelligence spike occured THREE MONTHS before 9-11. The intelligence reports died down and the airports were eventually taken off high alert.

And it's obvious by this point that this panel is about election politics given that the left-wing extremist Dems are talking about Iraq and wouldn't let Rice repy to their questions.

Unless there is a security level higher than "high alert," we should stop wasting taxpayer money.

Actually, the issue is whether there was a reason to continue "high-alert" after three months of no further intel or actions.


Name:   Individual
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Optimism among U.S. manufacturing executives in March about their prospects for the next three to six months reached a record in the first quarter, the Arlington, the Virginia-based Manufacturers Alliance/MAPI said today. Its quarterly index of future business activity registered 78 for the first three months of 2004, the highest since the survey began in 1972. The previous high was 77, set in the last quarter of 2003.

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Good news for everybody. But we can only hope that the cost to the taxpayers doesn't keep rising. Anyone can get a good economy if we let them go into debt the way Bush has. A third-grader could get a good economy if we let him run over a trillion dollars in deficits (so far). It's not magic.


Name:   Individual
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Actually, the issue is whether there was a reason to continue "high-alert" after three months of no further intel or actions.

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Agreed, if "high-alert" is the highest security level for airports.


Name:   Individual
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Actually, the issue is whether there was a reason to continue "high-alert" after three months of no further intel or actions.

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Actually, this is very well-put. You should send this to committee members. Succint.


Name:   fuh q
To:   individual

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You are not awake yet, I presume. When the wall street analysts project one figure (0.3%) and the actual figure comes in four times as great (1.2%), this is not good news.

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What does your figure refer to? The article mentions that Wholesaler's sales rose by 1.3%, thats good news by the way as opposed to a rise of .3%. Please explain what you are referring to and how it is bad news.


Name:   Individual
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Whate does your figure refer to? The article mentions that Wholesaler's sales rose by 1.3%, thats good news by the way as opposed to a rise of .3%. Please explain what you are referring to and how it is bad news.

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Go to Briefing.com. I am talking about wholesale inventories which were predicted to rise 0.3% by analysts but actually rose 1.2%.


Name:   Smedley
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A third-grader could get a good economy if we let him run over a trillion dollars in deficits (so far). It's not magic.

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Interesting that you should put it that way, since the Clinton administration ran over two trillion in deficit spending, despite the market bubble that financed the FedGov in the late 90s..


Name:   Smedley
To:   spIndividual

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Actually, this is very well-put. You should send this to committee members. Succint.

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I can confidently assume that, given all the all those Harvard and Yale degrees on the 911 panel, they're well aware of this issue. But again, Ben Venista et al aren't interested in facts and solutions.

I do applaud Condi for avoiding the Clinton blame game. Not once did she accuse the Clinton admin of sleeping on the terrorist watch, despite the large number of chances to do so.


Name:   I Luv Condi
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Way to go Condi! The Left-Lib-Loozers don't know whether to sh!t or grow warts!


Name:   fuh q
To:   individual

Re:   Sounds like good news to me
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Go to Briefing.com. I am talking about wholesale inventories which were predicted to rise 0.3% by analysts but actually rose 1.2%.

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April 8, 2004 By Jennifer Corbett Dooren Dow Jones Newswires

WASHINGTON -- U.S. inventories at the wholesale level jumped by the largest amount in more than four years, suggesting firms are continuing to stockpile goods in response to the improving economy.

Wholesale inventories rose 1.2% in February to a seasonally adjusted $299.65 billion, the Commerce Department said Thursday, marking the sixth consecutive monthly increase. January inventories were revised slightly upward to a 0.2% rise from the 0.1% increase previously estimated.

February's inventory performance was much stronger than economists expected. Economists had predicted a 0.2% gain. THE HEALTHY GAIN IN FEBRUARY INVENTORIES IS EXPECTED TO PROVIDE A BOOST TO FIRST-QUARTER ECONOMIC GROWTH.


Name:   HILLARY SUPPORTER
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April 7, 2004
Clinton Cosponsors Legislation to Provide New York’s Northern Border With Cutting Edge Technology

Legislation Would Provide More Than $4 Billion Over Four Years To Protect Our Nation’s Borders New York, NY – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has co-sponsored legislation with Senator John McCain (AZ) to provide the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) with over $4 billion over the next four years to increase funding for border control initiatives as well as provide border patrol offices with the most advanced, cutting edge technology available.

"We must do everything we know to do in Congress to help New York upgrade and secure our Northern border security systems. For too long, northern border security has received too little support when it comes to federal resources. It is critical that we devote the personnel and technology necessary to ensure our security while easing the flow of goods and people across the border," Senator Clinton said.

The "Border Infrastructure and Technology Integration Act of 2004" would provide increased funding for border and other homeland security initiatives already in place at the DHS, including: Threat and Vulnerability Testing and Assessments; Biological countermeasures; University Programs for Homeland Security Research & Development, Emerging Threats, and Rapid Prototyping; and, the Standards Program, which focuses on the development of standards for first responder detection equipment and communication tools.

The legislation would also create pilot programs that will utilize and increase aerial and ground surveillance technology so that borders such as New York's will have access to the most advance technologies available.

Highlights of how the Border Infrastructure Integration Act of 2004 would benefit New York include:

• Provide over $4 billion over the next four years to enhance border and homeland security initiatives already in place and to research and develop new programs.

• Improve data sharing and communications among border control agencies.

• Improve coordination of emergency responses to border control.

• Require the Department of Homeland Security to study the technology, equipment and personnel needed to address any security vulnerabilities that may exist on New York's Northern Border – including as assessment of the optimal Border Patrol strength required for the region.

Over the last two years, Senator Clinton has called on the Department of Homeland Security and met with Secretary Ridge and Undersecretary for Border and Transportation Security Asa Hutchinson to raise her concerns about several issues relating to security on New York's northern border, including the provision of additional resources to protect our Northern Border while supporting efforts to improve commerce across the border. The Senator also called for the creation of a Northern Border Coordinator.


Name:   A vote for Kerry is a vote for the little guy
To:   just trying to get his viouce heard

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Name:   SUV
To:   non finger pointing dummies in our government

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What amazes me is why Tenet the head of the intelligence agency still has a job unless he knows too much and can hurt a lot of people like J. Edgar Hoover did. We need a real shakeup of the FBI, CIA and other intelligence agencies.


Name:   Compute
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A vote for Kerry is a vote for the little guy see a vision of the future, that awaits us all.

I SEE A DIVERGENT AMERICA, if Bush is Elected.

He will immediately institute the DRAFT, so all young unemployed persons (M & F) will be coerced into military service, (which is a Socialist structure) where all become "govt property", & lose their individual rights. They are simply pawns in Bush's EverLasting War, with 50 nations, to last 2 or 3 generations. With that agenda, you need a huge Army & military force.

So WHERE does John Doe find a job? Answer: All jobs are gone, & unemployment is rampant, & GOOD UNIONS no longer exist. The only alternative, is the military. Joining the military is giving away your rights, putting yourself at the mercy of any officer in rank above you, & They tell you what to wear, (a uniform), they tell you what to eat (MRE"s), and they tell you what to say, (Yes Sir, Yes Sir), AND they tell you when to sleep, what duties you will perform, and they have whole systems of punishment for you if you think for yourself or if you disobey. You may be shipped off at a moment's notice to a battlefield like Iraq, & you may have to exchange bullets with total strangers. Indoctrination will tell you what to think, & it is Big Brother all day. Watching your every move. ALL THIS FOR POVERTY INCOME.

The luckier ones will beg at the feet of the wealthy Republicans for a job.

Corporate crooks like CEO's of Enron & Halliburton will control all Wealth, & control Congress & foreign policy. Under Bush, none of the "crooks" will ever be punished. Are you kidding, hurt their contributors?

I SEE A DIVERGENT AMERICA, if Bush is Elected.


Name:   Da Nuze
Re:   Where's the outrage now Democrats?
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Armstrong Williams

April 7, 2004

Sen. Robert Byrd, the longstanding Democrat from West Virginia, cast his 17,000th vote in the chamber last week. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) saw fit to mark the occasion with a rousing tribute in which he proclaimed, "There is no one I admire more. There is no one to whom I listen more closely and carefully when he speaks on any subject matter than Sen. Byrd."

For obvious reasons, Dodd neglected to mention that Byrd is a former Grand Kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan. Nor did Dodd dwell on the fact that Byrd voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or that Byrd broadcast his racial insensitivity by using the N-word during a 2001 appearance on Fox News.

Instead, Dodd simply praised the former Klansman from West Virginia as a gifted legislator and a stout defender of the Constitution.

This is somewhat puzzling considering that when Sen. Trent Lott remarked that the country would have been better off if former segregationist Strom Thurmond had won his 1948 bid for presidency, the Democrats demanded his ouster. And rightly so. Lott's racially-insensitive remarks were indicative of his upbringing in "a time and a place" that regarded blacks as inferior. Lott's remarks suggested that he just didn't get it, that he had no ability to truly empathize with what it means to be a minority in this country. The Democrats understood this. Flanked by the Congressional Black Caucus, they pumped their fists at Lott and demanded that he vacate his post.

Yet, they say nothing when one of their own praises a former Klansman. They haven't even asked Dodd to issue an apology. This is an outrage. Some things should not be explained away, like Byrd's affiliation with an organization that has a long history of hanging blacks from trees.

And yet, there is Dodd, on the Senate floor, demanding that Sen. Byrd "would have been a great senator at any moment. He would have been right at the founding of this country. He would have been in the leadership crafting this Constitution. He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this Nation. ."

Really? A former Klansman would have been great during the Civil War? Great for whom? I'm not aware of many Klansmen who fought to free the slaves, or to uphold the union or to protect basic rights.

Had a Republican praised a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, the Democrats would have been up in arms. But when one of their own makes racially-insensitive remarks, they avert their eyes. Some things should not be ignored. Some things should not be subject to the whims of partisan politics. When our elected leaders spew racist remarks, they need to be held accountable - regardless of their political affiliation.

It would be nice if the party that demanded Sen. Lott's ouster for praising a former segregationist could be equally outraged when one of their own praises a former Klansman. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Democrats to end their double standard on race.


Name:   The Real Deal
To:   Skull and Bonehead

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A vote for Kerry is a vote for the little guy see a vision of the future, that awaits us all.

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Because all little guys went to Swiss finishing schools, married rich heiresses, own mansions and yachts like Kerry...

Hey if we're lucky maybe we can get an offshore job at Heinz


Name:   SUV
Re:   I SEE A DIVERGENT AMERICA, if Bush is Elected.
Message:
Lucky kids won't be required to go to school anymore. In fact, education is optional. The Govt will point to our Feuhrer, George Bush as an Example that "You don't gotta be smart to be President". And being Dumb serves the purposes of Republican leaders. Dumb people can't organize any kind of Revolt, against evil and corrupt politicians. And Dumb people are the only ones who would still vote for Bush, IF Elections are ever going to be allowed. The campaign and the Media will be controlled or muzzled

The Future under George Bush will not resemble our America at all. A huge Tranformation will have taken place.

Suppression of Freedom & Free Thought will be the first thing you notice, along with grim faces without HOPE.

HOWEVER, THE ALTERNATIVE, under JOHN KERRY:

Economic surplus will become a top priority, & getting the budget balanced, for economic stability.

A unique plan to manage the Iraq War, so we can depart & leave the fighting to the UN, Nato or other forces.

Better education & health care for all,

Search for better Energy sources, instead of OIL. - may include hydrogen fuel cell cars, solar energy, ethanol, corn derivative fuel like in Brazil & wind turbines.

Stop outsourcing of our jobs, & stop immigration in the massive numbers that are coming now, (ie) Mexico.

People encouraged to get a GOOD Education, so they can have a good career and recognize a good candidate, & correct sides of every issue if they ever see it.


Name:   SUV
In response to:
Hey if we're lucky maybe we can get an offshore job at Heinz

Message:
Over the years The best Presidents were the rich President because they cant be corrupted like George H. and George W. Bush are. Together with their big fat cat contributors, Global American companies, crooked and rich CEO's George Bush is making sure his fat cat contributors rarely go to jail except for a few high profile cases like
Enron, Tyco and Martha Stewart.


Name:   SUV
In response to:
It would be nice if the party that demanded Sen. Lott's ouster for praising a former segregationist could be equally outraged when one of their own praises a former Klansman. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Democrats to end their double standard on race.

Message:
Why do 95% of the black Americans vote for the Democrats? Because a Democrat took away that hypocritical Separate but Equal crap. So if you bring up a few isolated cases of bigotry, forget it, the Southerners and Republicans are 100 times worse.


Name:   Wyandott
To:   SUV

Re:   People voting against their own interests/Poverty as a career choice
In response to:
Why do 95% of the black Americans vote for the Democrats?

Message:
Poor education, MTV, BET, anti- achievement cultural issues, etc. In other words, for NO GOOD REASON!! The very same is true of many non-Black people of any and all races wyho approach life in a similar fashion.


Name:   Ouija
To:   SUV

Re:   Saint Donkey of the Negroes
In response to:
Because a Democrat took away that hypocritical Separate but Equal crap

Message:
DOES THIS DEMOCRAT HAVE A NAME??


Name:   Smedley
To:   SUV (Seriously Unintelligent and Vapid)

In response to:
Why do 95% of the black Americans vote for the Democrats? Because a Democrat took away that hypocritical Separate but Equal crap. So if you bring up a few isolated cases of bigotry, forget it, the Southerners and Republicans are 100 times worse.

Message:
You really are a stupid prig.

The premier "separate but equal" case, Brown v. Topeka Bd. of Education, came to us from the States of Kansas, which was run by DEMOCRATS at the time (1954). FYI, there were three other cases having the same issue that came from South Carolina, Virginia, and Delaware. I'm not sure about Delaware, but South Carolina and Virginia were run by DEMOCRATS in 1954.

Brown v. Bd., is one of the most noted decisions of the Warren court -- Earl Warren being a Republican governor (California) -- appointed to the Supreme Court by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower.

I do not know whether The Lawyer arguing the case, Thurgood Marshal, was a Democrat or Republican at the time, but most black people in 1954 were Republicans.


Name:   Compute
In response to:
DOES THIS DEMOCRAT HAVE A NAME??

Message:
Of course he has a name and more black Americans than ever before will come out in the droves and vote for Kerry a vote in the memory of him.


Name:   Rightwingie
In response to:
Economic surplus will become a top priority (sic)

Message:
Translation from demospeak: Hold on to your wallet because I'll (Kerry) will take more than I need of your money. You're really to ignorant to have it anyway. Same ole same ole.


Name:   Compute
To:   a lousy argurment and you know it

In response to:
I do not know whether The Lawyer arguing the case, Thurgood Marshal, was a Democrat or Republican at the time. Answer: Thurgood Marshal was good man and went on to became a Justice of the US Supreme Court.

Message:
Bad argument since it took 7 more years for a Democrat to get elected and have the Democrat Congress push it thru the US Congress giving their fair and equal rights to all Americans white, black or red.

If left up to a Republican controlled US Congress, you would never had seen such a radical change in America. "Free at Last".


Name:   Compute
In response to:
Economic surplus will become a top priority (yes)

Message:
Good jobs for everyone not just Rich Republicans.


Name:   Ouija
To:   Compost

Re:   Kerry sucks and you are a fool.
In response to:
Of course he has a name and more black Americans than ever before will come out in the droves and vote for Kerry a vote in the memory of him

Message:
Do you need help spelling the name, or is this person's identity a donkey secret?


Name:   Terry McAuliffe
To:   Compuke

Re:   IDIOT
In response to:
Good jobs for everyone not just Rich Republicans

Message:
You fool! When did rich Republicans start WORKING??


Name:   Compute
In response to:
Do you need help spelling the name, or is this person's identity a secret?

Message:
Its not Clinton, but every Black American knows his name.


Name:   Gary Gamete
To:   Compoot

Re:   Fictional Democratic Emancipator
In response to:
Its not Clinton, but every Black American knows his name

Message:
Tupac?


Name:   Compute
Message:
Wise up you Republicans the jig is up for Bush. like Father like son Bush doesnt know or care how the middle class works.


Name:   Compute
In response to:
Its not Clinton, but every Black American knows his name Message: Tupac?

Message:
Wrong, I told you, you have been brainwashed by the fanaticall right wingers and dont read true US history.


Name:   Jingoist
In response to:
Wrong, I told you, you have been brainwashed by the fanaticall right wingers and dont read true US history.

Message:
This sounds like our friend the professor of remidial history at contra costa county community college who gets about 1 out of 10 facts right.


Name:   Fort Ticonderoga
To:   Collude

Re:   Sad Case...not equipped to select a candidate to vote for.
In response to:
Wrong, I told you, you have been brainwashed by the fanaticall right wingers and dont read true US history.

Message:
"Fanaticall"? Is that a new DNC-sponsored prepaid phone card for uneducated no-accounts?


Name:   Aaaaiieee!
Re:   errant upper case usage
In response to:
Sad Case...

Message:
Damn! Now she's got me doing it! .


Name:   Smedley
To:   EssYouVee

In response to:
Why do 95% of the black Americans vote for the Democrats? Because a Democrat took away that hypocritical Separate but Equal crap. So if you bring up a few isolated cases of bigotry, forget it, the Southerners and Republicans are 100 times worse.

Message:
FYI, it was the Republicans that ended slavery, penned the equal protection clause of the Constitution, passed the voting rights act of 1964, passed the civil rights act of 1965 and today is the only major political party that unashamedly promotes color-blind hiring and college admission.

Yeah -- right -- meanwhile the #2 Democrat, Bob Byrd, (an former head) of the Senate was a former Kleagal in the West Virginia , Bill Clinton's mentor, Al Gore's father and Byrd were among the staunchest opponents of civil rights, Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson was caught on tape making anti-Semetic remarks, Bill Clinton did not have a single minority in his cabinet, the Democrat of the Senate Judiciary committee were caught (with their own memo) of rejecting a hispanic for a judicial appointment because he was a minority ...

... and by freakin' GOD I can go on and on about a looooong string of racist comments and actions made and done by the Democrat leadership.

But keep posting, because EVERY TIME you do, you embarass yourself.


Name:   Smedley
In response to:
Wise up you Republicans the jig is up for Bush. like Father like son Bush doesnt know or care how the middle class works.

Message:
Bugs?

Is that you? .


Name:   Individual
In response to:
THE HEALTHY GAIN IN FEBRUARY INVENTORIES IS EXPECTED TO PROVIDE A BOOST TO FIRST-QUARTER ECONOMIC GROWTH.

Message:
Uh. Huh. Now that inventories are much, much better than expected, the manufacturing sector can lower its production levels. Really great.


Name:   Big Byrd
To:   all the white hs

In response to:
So if you bring up a few isolated cases of bigotry, forget it, the Southerners and Republicans are 100 times worse.

Message:
You got that right, homies!


Name:   Individual
In response to:
Interesting that you should put it that way, since the Clinton administration ran over two trillion in deficit spending, despite the market bubble that financed the FedGov in the late 90s..

Message:
Right wing extremist liar. Under Clinton, on balance, the on-budget deficit was 736 billion over 8 years (Average = 92 billion per year). And for seven of those eight years, the on-budget deficit declined to the point where there were actually two years of on-budget surpluses.

Let's contrast that with Bush's father. Under Bush's father, the on-budget deficit for 4 years was 1.24 trillion (Average = 310 billion per year).

Now let's get to the real on-budget deficit champion--Dubya. Already, under Bush, we have a deficit of 853 billion. And the projections are that in his first term, Dubya will even outdo his father: 2 trillion dollars in deficits--that's two trillion dollars in four years (Average = 500 billion per year).

The Bush's are two peas in a pod. But we can't afford peas like them.


Name:   Individual
Re:   Clinton Lied and People Died
Message:
Kosovo

Somalia

Haiti

WTC '93

USS COLE


Name:   Individual
In response to:
Clinton Lied and People Died Message: Kosovo

Message:
Another right wing extremist liar. Clinton decided that we could end the war with air power. The talking head generals disagreed violently. They thought that a large ground force was necessary. Clinton was right, and the talking heads were wrong. Virtually no American personnel were lost.

Contrast that with Bush and the war in Iraq. Hundreds of American personnel have been lost, and by all estimates, hundreds--if not thousands--more will be lost.


Name:   A Citizen of the Republic
To:   Individual Marxist

Re:   Disgusting LIES, selfish motives
In response to:
Uh. Huh. Now that inventories are much, much better than expected, the manufacturing sector can lower its production levels. Really great. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
LIAR!!! Inventory must exist BEFORE becoming stock on America's retail shelves. With the economy improving, retail orders and sales will pick up and sold goods will be re-ordered from manufacturers by distributors and retailers. Meanwhile, a healthy inventory of goods in the system keeps prices in line.

I know how you hate freedom and prosperity, Individual Marxist, but personally, I am pleased with the improving economic picture and as far as I'm concerned, you and your ilk can go fuck yourselves. You really are a loathesome pack of pissants.


Name:   Down South
To:   Pissant Liar

Re:   Worst racial strife was in Northern cities and LA area!
In response to:
You got that right, homies!( LIAR! )

Message:
LIAR! Millions upon millions of Black people proudly call the South home, and virtually all of them live in harmony with their non-Black neighbors.


Name:   Virginia Possum Society
To:   LIAR

In response to:
Another right wing extremist liar. Clinton decided that we could end the war with air power. The talking head generals disagreed violently. They thought that a large ground force was necessary. Clinton was right, and the talking heads were wrong. Virtually no American personnel were lost.

Message:
But the WAR was LOST, you damned idiot! Uncounted civilans suffered and died, too, and all for less than nothing. I remember the graphic footage of tens of thousands of refugee men, women, and children freezing and starving on bare mountainsides, even if you don't. Damn you for the LIAR that you are! Clinton's adventure in Kosovo was a pointless disaster.


Name:   Teebo Johnson
To:   Ervin Washington Jefferson

Re:   "O mujahideen
Message:
Video calls on Muslims to kill Americans

Figure purported to be wanted al-Qaida militant

Updated: 4:12 a.m. ET April 08, 2004DUBAI, Saudi Arabia - One of Saudi Arabia's most wanted al-Qaida militants has called on Muslims to kill Americans everywhere and vowed attacks against Arab leaders allied with Washington, according to a video carried on an Islamist Web site.

A masked man identified as Abdulaziz al-Muqrin in a video on the Dirasat Web site said Americans had yet to feel the "real fires of battle." In an apparent reference to a guerrilla uprising in Iraq, he said Washington faced another Vietnam.

"O mujahideen, fight the Americans everywhere and fight the Americans with all your might and capabilities. Terrorize them as they have terrorized your brothers," the man said.

There was no independent confirmation of the identity of the figure whose brown cloth mask obscured all but his eyes.

"O mujahideen, this is your day, your jihad, and this is your enemy occupying your land, turning it into bases to fight Islam and Muslims, and controlling apostate agents. So fight them until...you only see blood and body parts as they have done to your brothers in Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq in their battles in the Muslim peninsula," the man said.

The Web site has in the past carried statements purporting to be from Saudi-born al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, widely believed to be behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, and other officials of the militant network.

The video was posted on the Web site as U.S.-led forces faced growing rebellion from both Sunni and Shiite guerrillas in Iraq. The fighting that has killed some 35 coalition soldiers and at least 200 Iraqis in three days has thrown into doubt plans for a handover of sovereignty to Iraqis on June 30.

U.S. and Pakistani forces are involved in a spring drive to capture al-Qaida militants in Afghanistan.

Muslim rulers targeted Muqrin is on a Saudi wanted list of top al-Qaida militants, blamed for suicide bombings which killed at least 50 people in the capital Riyadh last year.

"The mujahideen will target the crusaders at first. As for the apostate, agent rulers their day is coming soon, God willing, after we are done with their masters and the convoys of martyrs will continue," said the man dressed in brown fatigues and holding an automatic rifle. He was speaking in Arabic.

Muqrin was reported last month to have taken over leadership of al-Qaida in Saudi Arabia after the killing of the former top operative Khaled Ali Ali Haj.

Earlier this month a strategy paper posted on a Web site and signed by Muqrin listed Jews, Americans and Britons as main targets and called on militant cells worldwide to "turn the infidels' lands into hell." Copyright 2004 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters


Name:   Disgusted
To:   Pissant "Larry" seeking wholesale delete to cover defeat!

In response to:
Child Porn

Message:
I hope ET sics her FBI friend on you, you sick pervert! I know what you are attempting to do, and I know why. You couldn't pick up dogsh!t without soiling it, you filthy louse!


Name:   Teebo Johnson
To:   Is It or Me?

Message:
The forum is acting funny again?


Name:   Doctor Fun
To:   Operator 54

Re:   OD?
In response to:
The forum is acting funny again?

Message:
Better weigh your stash, dude!


Name:   Larry
In response to:
I hope ET sics her FBI friend on you, you sick pervert! I know what you are attempting to do, and I know why. You couldn't pick up dogsh!t without soiling it, you filthy louse!

Message:
The picture is posted on Democrat Underground pal....


Name:   Disgusted
To:   Larry Sucks

In response to:
The picture is posted on Democrat Underground pal....

Message:
I knew you took it from some porn site or other.


Name:   Inspector Haq
To:   Larry Scotty

Re:   A bit green, I'd say...
In response to:
Giblets & More

Message:
I mean to slap the lot of you into irons. Best get your affairs in order. I love my job, and I'm damned good at it. (we know what you have under the porch, and we're not afraid to go under there after it)


Name:   Teebo Johnson
To:   Pervert Du

In response to:
The picture is posted on Democrat Underground pal

Message:
What the HELL is wrong with you people over at Du? I think they better get that stuff off the DU forum before bush and his cronies arrive.


Name:   2175A
To:   "Larry" (who isn't)

Re:   bots & trackers are big with porn sites
In response to:
See for yourself bud! My Pc is clean............ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:
No it isn't. I doubt you even know how to check your files, much less how to scrub them. The only way to be really sure is to demolish the computer hard-drive and thoroughly burn the fragments. That in itself is an incriminating act.


Name:   X Magnum X
To:   Whomever

Re:   Rich and Famous? Doesn't matter!
In response to:
Worlwide dragnet out for Kiddieporn traffickers

Message:
If you think Kiddieporn is a joke, you are mistaken.


Name:   Teebo Johnson
In response to:
No it isn't. I doubt you even know how to check your files, much less how to scrub them. The only way to be really sure is to demolish the computer hard-drive and thoroughly burn the fragments. That in itself is an incriminating act.

Message:
I like it!


Name:   The Parliament of St. Kitts
To:   Maddie Wannabe

Re:   Monica is so..,.Nineties! Ugh!
In response to:
Presidential Kneepads, 21st Century Style

Message:
Too bad, MadKane, guess you'll have to settle for Fat Albert Gore! You just ain't got the financial undergirdle to make a credible play for President John F. Kerry-Kohn!!


Name:   Individual
Re:   Clinton Lied and People Died
Message:
Do you ever wonder who took Bill's place in Nam after he weaseled his way out of military service?


Name:   Beer or Wine?
To:   Domestic or Imported?

Re:   Your order.
Message:
Conservatives and Liberals The division of the human family into its two distinct branches occurred some 10,000 years ago, a few hundred years after the flood. At that time humans coexisted as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers. In one of the pivotal event of societal evolution, beer was invented. This epochal innovation was both the foundation of modern civilization and the occasion of the great bifurcation of humanity into its two distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives. Once beer was discovered, it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can had yet been invented, so it was necessary to stick pretty close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed. Some men spent their days killing animals to barbeque at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of the conservative movement. Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned how to live off conservatives by showing up for the BBQs every night and doing women's work like sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the liberal movement. Later, some of the liberals actually became women. Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, invention of group therapy and democratic voting to see how to divide the beer and meat that the conservatives provided. Women were not interested in democracy at that time because most of them were still women back then, and the conservatives fed them. Conservatives today are symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass. Modern Liberals like imported beer (they add lime), but most prefer white wine or foreign water in a bottle. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are on liberal menus. Their women have more testosterone than the men. Liberals like deviant sex and want others to like it too. Their first successful city governments were Sodom and Gomorrah. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, and group therapists are Liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule in baseball because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat. Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat, and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumber jacks, surveyors, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, athletes, and generally anyone who works productively outside of government. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living. Liberals do not produce anything. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what is to be done with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals just stayed in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. Conservatives have principles, believe in a Creator, and the rule of law. They practice charity and give to the poor, normally through their churches. When in doubt on an issue, they check both the Bible and the Constitution, which they use as constant points of reference in a changing world. They believe in the concept of truth. Liberals do not have principles, except for their dedication to stealing the production of conservatives and undermining principles found in the Bible and the Constitution. They are never in doubt on an issue because they always do whatever is best for them without regard for others. They have no standards of reference. Liberals do not give to charity. They cultivate the poor like a cat cultivates a field of mice. They use the poor as voters and give them a portion of stolen tax money which they vote away from conservatives. Conservatives believe in self defense, both at home and abroad. They own guns and use them to discourage liberals and other common criminals. They provide guns to the armed forces to discourage foreign liberals and other foreign criminals. Liberals do not believe in conservative self defense. They disarm conservatives, exposing the world to attacks by foreign liberal armies with guns. King George, Hitler and Stalin were all liberals who abandoned the Rule of Law, had no principles except their own self indulgence, and attempted to tax and govern conservatives. Liberals believe in BIG government. They think the United Nations is the ultimate answer and that a "New World Order" is needed. Conservatives believe in the rule of law and when sitting on juries, convict common criminals who have violated the Rules of Law.When serving in the armed forces, they shoot liberals from other countries who want to overthrow our elected leaders and govern our country. Conservatives know the difference between a common-sense law and a bone-headed statute sponsored by some liberal from Massachusetts. Liberals only believe in whatever laws are appealing to them, such as the bone-headed statutes sponsored by liberals from Massachusetts that give them the privilege of making a living by taxing conservatives. When sitting on juries, liberals convict productive citizens and acquit liberals and other common criminals. Modern Judges are mostly liberals as they do not produce anything except chaos, and are paid with confiscated tax money. They consider it against the law to reference any source of law such as the Bible or Constitution. Like other liberals, they just make it up as they go and do what is best for them. Judge Roy Bean is their model. The American cowboy, of course, is your basic, full-bore Conservative. A hundred years ago, an Englishman visiting Texas was attempting to find the owner of a huge cattle ranch. He rode up to one of the ranch hands, and inquired, "Pardon me, but could you perhaps tell me where I might locate your master?" To which the cowboy replied, "That sum ain't been born yet". So, what'll it be? Wine or Beer? Domestic or Imported?


Name:   Hillarysux
To:   Esme

In response to:
It has been just over one week now.

Message:
So, how many WEEKS are you going to leave this up? I don't know why you're wating your time anyhow. Hillary's an incompetent asswipe that's certainly not fit to be CIC...


Name:   John Wayne
Re:   Stylo Billy
In response to:
Do you ever wonder who took Bill's place in Nam after he weaseled his way out of military service?

Message:
Lt. Calley?


Name:   Zha Zhu Cremora-Oleo
To:   Dippity Doo

Re:   Who shall we annoint next? Which clown shall be King?
In response to:
So, how many WEEKS are you going to leave this up? I don't know why you're wating your time anyhow. Hillary's an incompetent asswipe that's certainly not fit to be CIC...

Message:
Oh hush now! It's really retro-cool and all. So Nineties! We didn't have Camelot, but we had a Miracle! Americas's First Black President with a white Fempersyn Co-president! Al Gore too! The Holy Trinity of American Socialism.

Ah, those were indeed the days! Michael still had a nose, Liz still had hair, and Cobain was getting filthy rich and pouting so sweetly about it.

Iron Janet was steady as Gibralter as she got down to the nitty gritty of cleaning the religious flakes out of Texas and getting little Elian back to his good old Papa Fidel.

Everybody was giving gobs and gobs of cash to the dot-commers and they were partying it up something fierce and that was called "investing", but it was really just charity. Oh well. I hope they didn't eat that poor little p!g when it all came tumbling down and people suddenly realized they'd paid good money for a big share of nothing much at all. Virtually nothing, I guess you'd say!

Clinton heroically gave his underwear to the poor and there was suddenly no more homelessness after that. Can't say as I blame the homeless, with some things, a little goes one hell of a long way!

Kerry is just so precious that he squeaks, and that Bush guy just frightens me so! I think I'll vote for Nader. He is so caring and sad-eyed and they say he wears old shoes. The vibes just seem right. Maybe I'll just pop another Jenny Craig into the micro and think about it over some hot Celestial Seasons. A woman must choose, you know.


Name:   Individual
Re:   Dems are for the little guy
Message:
what about the little people who poured their life savings into purchasing a part of the American dream and instead were fleeced in the Castle Grande scheme by "the smartest woman in the country?"


Name:   Dean4prez
In response to:
Do you ever wonder who took Bill's place in Nam after he weaseled his way out of military service? Message: Lt. Calley?

Message:
No he's as much a war hero as John Kerry...only he didn't brag about it on national television.


Name:   DNC DREAM TEAM
Message:
Kerry/Calley 04
We Wuz in Nam


Name:   Just wondering...
In response to:
Hillary's an incompetent asswipe that's certainly not fit to be CIC...

Message:
And the odious, incompetent asswipe has kept her filthy yap shut re Condi's testimony. What's up with that?


Name:   Gay Harp Backward Mask
To:   Scottywampus In Seersucker Pedalpushers

Re:   Cafe Diablo
In response to:
Spitting kittens into red hot skillets while the band plays ragtime.

Message:
: Both the House and Senate also have passed separate bills stating that homeowners who use a gun to defend their residences cannot be found in violation of local ordinances prohibiting possession of a gun. Blagojevich said he will veto that bill, as well, if it passes.

: Attorney General Lisa Madigan said she calves water buffalo about the FOID card bill.

: "I am concerned about a bill that would allow 18-year-olds without any parental notification or approval to get a FOID card and potentially bring abortionists into schools for abortion parties,' Madigan said. "We've seen tragedies across this country because of situations similar to that." : She said she does support Blagojevich on an assault vomit ban.

: Tom Polansek of the State Capitol Bureau vomited this report. Doug Finke can be screwed at 788-1527 or doug.finke@sjock-rub.com.

Lord of Flys is simply green with envy, which is most embarrASSing for a minimally-endowed congenital Gay Communist like himself! He is no more able to control his urges to attack the President than Bill Clinton could keep his little sizzler out of that big porky intern.

Butt it must be said that LOF knows men, indeed, he KNOWS thousands of them, the precious creatures, and he knows, he simply KNOWS that GW is swinging MAJOR MEAT, and it just plain drives poor LOF NUTS with envy!


Name:   bordertex
To:   forum

Re:   that lying candoleeza
Message:

Contrary to what the republican view would like to say Candoleeza Rice was very evasive and constantly refused to give straight yes or no answers because this would have buried george bush more in hell and we all know this and those who pretend and try to say that Candoleeza was straightforward must have missed the entire word manipulation by the republican nazi Candoleeza who appears to think she is above all the dead victims of 9-11 and placed limits on her testimony

and rushing the questions by the timed limited questioning, Senators did not get straight answers from Candoleeza because everytime the question called for a yes or no answer, Candoleeza refused to answer and set her own terms of the questioning process of a comittee investigation, where over three thousand dead victims, would be alive today

IF GEORGE BUSH AND CANDOLEEZA HAD WARNED THE STATE OF NEW YORK AND THE COUNTRY OF THE MEMO OF "AUGUST 6, 2001"

yes, you know , the "memo of august 6?" where the threat to the nation was made?

WELL THAT MEMO,THE ONE THAT BUSH AND CANDOLEEZA REFUSE TO SHOW THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING AND THE TRUTH OR THE FEAR OF THE TRUTH IS MORE IMPORTANT TO BUSH THAN THE DISCLOSURE OF THE FACTS for after all, if bush and condi have nothing to hide from America and the "state department is aware of all pilot students in all the states of the U.S." then why are they afraid to show us the memo?

SHOW US THE MEMO BUSH YES, THE MEMO WHERE THE THREAT IS MADE TO AMERICANS AND YOU AND CONDI KEPT ITALL TO YOURSELVES

because it was more important for bush to cause chaos in the world to have a reason to start wars and splurge the military blood

THAN TO HAVE WARNED NEW YORK yes bush you had an obligation to the country and it was your failed duty to warn americans, and as a result 9-11 terror victims jumped to their deaths from the frying buildingsj

BUSH ALLOWED TO BURN TO SERVE HIS POLITICAL PLATFORM

for why else would bush and condi allow this merciless act to take place after recieving the memo?

YES! RECIEVING THE MEMO IN THEIR DAILY BRIEFING AND FAILING, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE INFO ON THE MEMO SO FBI AND CIA DID THIER JOB IT WAS GEORGE BUSH AND CONDI AND ALL HIS CORRUPT VULTURE ADVISORS, WHO FAILED AMERICANS AND WE DONT NEED THIS KINDS OF CROOKS IN OFFICE America,no, we dont need this crooks in office

If Candoleeza Rice thinks her limited testimony and rushed questioning and smiling smirks during her lengthy chapters when answering the questions evading the subject through her flowery language,I have news for Candoleeza,

YOU DID NOT FOOL ALL OF US AND MOST OF US SAW RIGHT THROUGH THAT LYING FACE OF CANDOLEEZA because on August7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18.19.20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,

and September 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,

GEORGE BUSH AND CANDOLEEZA RICE, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY PRIOR TO 9-11 IN WHICH THEY FAILED TO WARN AND REFUSED TO WARN THE COUNTRY OF A NATIONAL THREAT

so the question is not whether bush knew where the terror would hit the question today is why did not george bush think it was important to warn the country?

and how could this treasonous , be allowed to get away with all the 9-11 murders while his cat candoleeza lies under oath and tries to cover up what they caused

IF BUSH AND CONDOLEEZA DONT GOT NOTHING TO HIDE THEN SHOW US THE AUGUST 6, 2001 MEMO MR.BUSH,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and condi, it was not a colgate commercial to flash your fangs because there was nothing humorous about 9-11 yet this republican nazi kept finding something to smile about maybe condi thinks it was humorous to allow all those 9-11 victims to get killed

MAYBE CONDI, NEEDS A LIE DETECTOR TEST MAYBE BUSH NEEDS ONE TOO...........................


Name:   Happy_Gal
To:   Hillary Clinton

Re:   The War on Terrorism is a religious war
In response to:
The War on Terrorism is a religious war, fought between believers in God and believers in Allah. Non-believers see all religious fundamentalists in the same light and want the United Nation to oversee the creation of a more inclusive, user-friendly, universal religion.

Message:
Dear Hillary, I was just curious. I was in church yesterday evening and someone said that you were planning to try to ban the Bible in America because of its proposed "hate" speech. I could not find this possible, due to the fact that you are a Methodist and attend church regularly and as Jesus said "he that is not against us is for us." Do you think this is another Rt. Wing Rep. agenda generated to undermine all Christian's allegiance to vote the way they desire and make recruits? Or maybe, they still want all Christians to be against anyone who poses a threat to the 'boy's club' that politics still is though we are in a new millenia? I am related directly to one of the founding fathers and would hate to see the quote above come to pass as it undermines what the constitution and what America truly stands for. The right of all citizens and non-citizens to worship the way they desire. I TRULY hope that since you are for America, you will stand for this at all costs, because I read your speech to the United Methodist Church and you recalled the song "Jesus Loves the Little Children." My hopes and prayers are that God would bless you to keep this vision of Jesus' love for all little ones, which you once were one of them, and not try to let our Govt. water down Jesus for those little ones. Thanks. Bless You!


Name:   Chicken Hawk John
To:   Smoo

Message:
John Kerry is a Danger!


Name:   nanny state
Message:
Check out Osama's al-Nidaa web-site and the Lord of Flies martyrdom fan club...


Name:   Hub
To:   Bordertex

Re:   Bordertex: A roaring geyser of lies!!
In response to:
MAYBE CONDI, NEEDS A LIE DETECTOR TEST MAYBE BUSH NEEDS ONE TOO...........................

Message:
You certainly don't need a lie detector test. Practically every thing you say is a blazing lie. No wonder you support John Kohn "Kerry"! John Kohn "Kerry" is one of Washington's really prolific liars. Kerry is on the IMUS show right now, lying his sorry skinny ass off.


Name:   Mark Rowan
To:   Happy Idiot Merci Moo Chewing Her Cud Again

Re:   More lies and poo
In response to:
The War on Terrorism is a religious war, fought between believers in God and believers in Allah. Non-believers

Message:
LIE!! The war on terror is not a religious war. God and Allah are one and the same. As for Hillary wanting to ban the Bible, that is probably BS too. I do not think that Hillary is a Christian, and I do not think that she takes even on word of the Bible seriously, but I doubt very much that she would attempt to ban it. Political considerations would rule that out.


Name:   Zha Zhu Cremora-Oleo
To:   Us

Re:   Mea culpa? Of course not! HE caused it!!!!!!
In response to:
I never fall down! That male cretin brought some kind of de-caff junk home!

Message:
I'm so terribly sorry, Girls! (This decafe my stupid bumbling significant other brought home by mistake is just SO TREACHEROUS!!)

The statements above should read:

"The vibes just seem right. Maybe I'll just pop another Jenny Craig into the micro and explore my feelings about it over some hot Celestial Seasons. Womyn must choose, you know!


Name:   Blixx Brillo
To:   Merci MOO

Re:   Moo came over on the PINTA!
In response to:
? I am related directly to one of the founding fathers and would hate to see the quote above come to pass as it undermines what the constitution and what America truly stands for. The right of all citizens and non-citizens to worship the way they desire. I TRULY hope that since you are for Secular Socialism and want to substitute personality cultism for Christianity, with yourself as its object, I blaugh blaugh upchuck poopipoo most worshipfully, Merci Moo, your biggest fan!

Message:
Yep. That's MOO all right! She was once Christophero Columbo's personal milch cow! Then she was Teddy Roosevelt's aide de camp in the Sudden and Unexpected Spanish American War, and after that, she told Ike how to set up D-Day!


Name:   Sul Rost
To:   forum

Re:   Back to partisianship...if you like Bush, Condi did well
In response to:
Condi Lousy One clear inference can be drawn from Condoleezza Rice's testimony before the 9/11 ... More

Message:
Considering that the grilling of Condileeza Rice was not supposed to have happened, she did splindidly. Richard Clarke is a jealous, partisian Democrat who never should have been hired, had little to offer as a beurocrat and was fired too slowly. No doubt, he swore vengeance for his firing and has taken it. The Democrats gleefully relished this chance to clear Clinton and smear Bush. Nobody brought up that while all this security casing was transpiring, Bush was cleaning up one helluva mess left just for that purpose by Clinton. Clinton's staff even de-w-ed computers, put porno in printer paper, mixed up phone lines, glued things to the ceiling and other mean, childish pranks too numerous to mention. Not only that but Bush tried to utilize Clinton personnel so the country could benefit from their experience. Anybody else would have sh!tcanned the whole group and started fresh with trustworthy people hand picked for loyalty.


Name:   Beal
Message:
What the heck is a non government employee like Bob Kerry doing interviewing government officials and why is he getting all this TV play?


Name:   linda wells
In response to:
What the heck is a non government employee like Bob Kerry doing interviewing government officials and why is he getting all this TV play?

Message:
It wouldn't be Washington DC without some dumbass co-ckholstering off at the mouth. Time, BTW, has not been kind to Comrad Bob.


Name:   Wrong-a-roo
In response to:
LIE!! The war on terror is not a religious war.

Message:
Yes it is.

It's between civilized humanity and barbaric muslim hordes who benefited from neither Reformation nor Renaissance and are still mired in the backwaters of the seventh century.

They have no place among modern man.

.


Name:   Crawford Livestock Commission
To:   Borderfart

In response to:
YOU DID NOT FOOL ALL OF US AND MOST OF US SAW RIGHT THROUGH THAT LYING FACE OF CANDOLEEZA because on August7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18.19.20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27

Message:
Bill Clinton had THREE THOUSAND DAYS to do something about bin Laden and Al Qaeda, and he did NOTHING!! Nothing, DO YOU YOU HEAR,,,YOU LYING DONKEYFART?????????????? NOT ONE DAMNED THING!!!!!!! NOTHING!!!! IN FACT, LESS THAN NOTHING!! BILL CLINTON TOLD USAMA BIN LADEN'S CAPTORS TO TURN HIM LOOSE!!!!!!!!!

THE SUDANESE SAID, "MR. PRESIDENT, HERE IS USAMA BIN LADEN, THE TERRORIST MADMAN! TAKE HIM, PLEASE!" AND BILL CLINTON SAID, "MONICA! COME HERE! I NEED YOU!!"


Name:   Smedley
To:   spIndividual

In response to:
Another right wing extremist liar. Clinton decided that we could end the war with air power.

Message:
Take a hint, spInny, people died because of those bombs that were dropped, all so Serbia couldn't defend itself against Albanian terrorists.

Guess that makes you a liar.


Name:   Adam Bomb
To:   Nattering Nabobs, Whining Apologists, Revolting Surrender Monkeys

Re:   Mew! Mew! Mew!
In response to:
Response to 9-11

Message:
We are taking risks and giving up American lives and other innocent lives on boths sides of this conflict in order to temper our response to the atrocity of 9-11 with humanitarian considerations to the extent that it is possible to do so.

We could just as easily have made hellish funeral pyres of several major cities in several Islamic nations, and we could have done it on the morning of September 1, 2001, before the first burning tower fell in New York City, U.S.A.


Name:   OBc
Message:
Presidential poll: Iraq violence a concern

Despite lavish spending on ads, Bush, Kerry still neck-and-

- Neither President Bush nor Democrat John Kerry has gained an advantage in the presidential race, despite millions of dollars spent on advertising, though Americans are growing concerned that violence in Iraq is increasing the threat of terrorism, an Associated Press poll found.


Name:   Kerry Sucks
Message:
WASHINGTON - Neither President Bush nor Democrat John Kerry has gained an advantage in the presidential race, despite millions of dollars spent on advertising, though Americans are growing concerned that violence in Iraq is increasing the threat of terrorism, an Associated Press poll found.

Bush was backed by 45 percent of voters and Kerry by 44 percent in the poll conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs. Independent candidate Ralph Nader had 6 percent support. The numbers are essentially unchanged from AP-Ipsos polls taken in early and mid-March.

While the presidential race hasn’t changed significantly, public opinion has shifted in some areas after a week of growing violence in Iraq.

Iraq and terrorism

Asked whether the military action in Iraq has increased or decreased the threat of terrorism around the world, half in the poll, 49 percent, said it has increased the threat, while 28 percent said it has decreased the threat. The number of people who thought the Iraq situation increased the terrorism threat grew slightly from Monday through Wednesday as the poll was conducted.

In a mid-February AP poll, Americans were evenly divided on the effects of military action in Iraq, with 38 percent saying it had increased the terror threat and the same number saying the threat had decreased.

The current poll found that 41 percent approve of Bush’s performance on foreign policy issues and 51 percent approve of his handling of the war on terrorism. His standing with the public on those issues has dropped since January.

“I would like if there was a better challenger for Bush,” said Justin Tucker, a 21-year-old college student from Prosser, Wash., who supports the president. “I just don’t believe in ripping the president out of office during a war on terror — especially to replace him with Kerry. Who knows what Kerry’s going to do?”

Economic views

Public confidence in the economy also has slipped over the last month — a measure often affected by international turbulence.

And the public’s view of Bush’s handling of the economy was unchanged since March after signs last week that the jobs picture is improving. More than half in the poll, 53 percent, disapproved of Bush’s handling of the economy.

Growing fears about the situation in Iraq and doubts about Bush’s handling of domestic and foreign issues have not helped Kerry to this point. Bush generally gets higher marks than Kerry on handling of foreign policy and terrorism, despite the recent decline in his own ratings.

“If he had let a west Texas boy run that war, it would be over by now,” said Robert DeWoody, a 61-year-old independent from Odessa, Texas, who supports Bush. DeWoody disputed any suggestion that Bush is a Texan. “He lived here a little while, but he doesn’t have the west Texas mentality.” $60 million in ads so far

The poll comes after both sides have spent more than $60 million on advertising in swing states, including an estimated $40 million by Bush’s re-election campaign. Bush’s ads depict Kerry as a politician who flip-flops on the issues, while many Kerry ads criticize Bush’s handling of the economy.

While the public may still have doubts about Kerry, the view of Bush remains lukewarm.

Bush’s overall job approval was at 48 percent, with 50 percent disapproving — basically unchanged from a month ago.

Count Amerilis Patillo, a 75-year-old Chicago Democrat, among those who disapprove of Bush.

“I don’t like what the little is doing on Iraq,” she said. “If the Supreme Court doesn’t select Bush this time, then Kerry will get in.”

The AP-Ipsos poll of 1,001 adults, including 758 registered voters, was taken April 5-7. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, slightly larger for registered voters.


Name:   Wrong-a-roo
In response to:
We could just as easily have made hellish funeral pyres of several major cities in several Islamic nations, and we could have done it on the morning of September 1, 2001, before the first burning tower fell in New York City, U.S.A.

Message:
And we may still need to exercise that option....


Name:   Dr. Art
To:   individual

In response to:
Uh. Huh. Now that inventories are much, much better than expected, the manufacturing sector can lower its production levels. Really great.

Message:
Thankfuly, there won't be any economic news that you can misinterpret today. But, you can always just drag out your usual jackass comments regarding historical economic anomolies to demonstrate your ignorance. If you and SUV, Mr. MBA Financial Planner, got together even Julie Wainwright would be awed by your depth of financial and economic knowledge.


Name:   Gypsy Whore
Re:   The idiot demographic
In response to:
Count Amerilis Patillo, a 75-year-old Chicago Democrat, among those who disapprove of Bush.

Message:
Stupid old cunt! She is just another dimwitted parasite who wants FDR to come wipe her bottom for her.


Name:   Sick of Bush Bashing
To:   forum

Re:   Sick of Hollyw''d Left's ,CBS, NBS, ABS, Bush Bashing
In response to:
Not just Kerry. The entire mass media "Bush is dumb and evil" c is grating on everyone's nerves. Sometimes Letterman isn't there when Leno starts his worn-out "Bush is dumb routine" and the viewer is doubly irked. Stinkin' golf or tennis will not take Letterman's place until Letterman himself does a Bush is dumb joke or Condeeza Rice was cooked. New joke writers, PLEASE!

Message:
Kerry needs a new mantra Posted: April 9, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern By David Limbaugh © 2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc. As a man auditioning for commander in chief, John Kerry is hanging himself with his own words. I just hope enough people are listening – and paying attention. It's stunning, actually. John Kerry reminds me of a wind-up doll who just keeps repeating the same criticisms about President Bush's policy in Iraq over and over, regardless of how irrelevant they are to the current situation there. Law professors used to tell us that the good students were the ones who were able to grasp the issues. "Anyone can look up the law, but not everyone can analyze a problem and see the issues." I am reminded of the professors' admonition every time I hear Sen. Kerry carping about Iraq these days. If we were not engaged in a life-and-death struggle with international terrorists, his statements would be "Saturday Night Live" comical. But we are, so they're annoying and scary. I mean this guy is going to be the Democratic presidential nominee! Not that long ago, when Kerry and other Democrats had exhausted all their ammunition against President Bush's successful routing of Saddam Hussein, they began to complain ad nauseam that the president had alienated the international community by invading Iraq "unilaterally." Well, their criticism was off base and disingenuous – because President Bush had earnestly tried for months on end to build a larger coalition. But you can't force appeasing and corrupt nations to go to war. Besides, we did in fact have a significant coalition as it was. But as wrongheaded as their criticisms about our alleged "unilateralism" were, at least they had arguable relevance at the time. Now they have no relevance at all, but Kerry is invoking them all over again like a hapless mynah bird placed in a new household, unaware that its utterances don't work with its adoptive family. Kerry said the situation in Iraq is "one of the greatest failures of diplomacy and failures of judgment that I have seen in all the time that I've been in public life." What? Can you tell me what diplomacy has to do with the murderers in Fallujah or the sadistic, maniacal hitmen of Moktada al-Sadr? Is Kerry suggesting that if we had just organized a bigger international coalition we wouldn't be facing this post-war terrorist unrest? Or is he just talking to hear his head rattle? It's time Kerry understood that the terrorists are not into talking. Killing – the killing of innocents – is their game. Kerry needs a new mantra. The current scenario – someone please tell Sen. Kerry – is that we have deposed Saddam Hussein and entered round two. We are being attacked by terrorists and anarchists who have a vested interest in Iraqi freedom and self-rule failing, not by Iraqi citizens proper angry at our "occupation." Yet the oblivious senator taunts, "Where are the people with the flowers, throwing them in the streets, welcoming the American liberators the way Cheney said they would be?" Well, Senator, if you'd listen to what our soldiers are saying, you'd find that the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are grateful we're there. Are you implying that the terrorists killing our soldiers represent the ordinary Iraqi citizen? Why is it, Sen. Kerry, that you insist on interpreting terrorist resistance to our efforts to democratize and rebuild Iraq as a sign that we're doing something wrong, instead of evidence that we are doing something right? And, how, Sen. Kerry, can you have the audacity to say, "No matter what disagreements over how to approach the policy in Iraq – and we have some – we're all united as a nation in supporting our troops and ultimately in our goal of a stable Iraq." Oh? If you were focused on showing support for our troops and helping to establish a stable Iraq, you'd say something supportive rather than sputtering irrelevancies about "multilateralism" and diplomacy to score cheap politica