Four Deaths in Falluja

he emotional force of those pictures of burned Americans hanging from a bridge in the Iraqi town of Falluja was devastating. While hundreds of Americans and thousands of Iraqis have been killed in this war and more will certainly follow, the grisly deaths of these four security consultants — ambushed, burned, mutilated, dragged through the streets — struck a deep nerve.

At the same time, letting those emotions shape the future of American occupation policy in Iraq — pushing it either toward vengeful reprisals or toward a panicky, casualty-driven withdrawal — would be a terrible mistake. America's future course in Iraq must be decided on broader considerations, especially the prospects for successful nation-building.

The United States cannot afford to paper over the real situation in Iraq with the sort of facile slogans, political spin and wishful thinking that have largely characterized the debate so far and are likely to become even more dominant as the November election approaches. Decisions will not be any easier to make after the election, and policy choices still available today may have evaporated in six months.

What the horrific images from Falluja should convey is that the fundamental problem is in Iraq itself. The White House and its spokesmen regale Americans with tales of inflated political progress, but the only real progress has been in areas like restoring vital services. Utility-building is not nation-building, and no answers have yet been found to the basic constitutional conundrum in Iraq.

Led by Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the Shiite majority, persecuted for decades, insists on a version of democracy that enshrines Shiite domination and fails to offer needed protections for minority groups. This is clearly unacceptable to the Sunni minority in places like Falluja, and to the Kurds. It is also fiercely resisted by Iraq's Sunni-dominated Arab neighbors. The ideal answer is the kind of democratic federalism, with strong minority protections, that the Shiites consistently reject. No one — not Americans, Europeans or the U.N. — can impose a pluralistic democracy at gunpoint and make it stick. That can happen only if enough influential Iraqis from all three communities embrace a workable constitution and defend it against its many armed enemies.

Wednesday's horror in Falluja underscores the need for an honest discussion about how, and whether, America and other countries can help Iraqis build a viable nation. source...

Name:	Remember what God said
To:	Pray for your enemies
Re:	Do not wish bad things upon others,

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DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU

God sees all & knows all, & will take care of the world in his own way, in his own time. We must accept the Will of God, and try to work for GOOD in the World.

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If evil thoughts overcome us, we become as bad, or worse, than the perceived enemy. We must provide an example of how to defeat a person ethically & morally, with facts, & fair dialogue. Bush can be defeated, because of his own record, & if the voters do not get too bored before November, he will most likely be out of the WhiteHouse by Jan 2005.

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BUSH ECONOMICS

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HIGH GASOLINE PRICES ARE MUCH WORSE ON THE AMERICAN WALLET THAN ANY TAX INCREASE COULD EVER POSSIBLY BE.

Republicans will tell you that they will NEVER raise taxes ------ (ha ha) BUT THEY WILL SURELY raise your GASOLINE PRICES, which Guess Who Profits? No, no, it could NOT BE the OIL Companies owned by the Bush Family.

(OH NO) ---- It could not be Halliburton and all the oil deals of Condoleeza Rice. Oh NO. -- It could NOT be that these oil millionaires would raise (artificially) these Gas Prices, so they can once again LOOT the American people, after stealing our pension funds, making our stock market collapse, send our boys off to war, and robbing our Clinton Surplus, & looting our Social Security funds ---- & taking away all our jobs.

But Once again?, they have to stick their hands into the pockets of American citizens, to steal as much money as possible before the election. Just in case they lose.

NO --- They don't RAISE your TAXES, which would go to help run our great Govt, -- but instead, they RAISE YOUR GASOLINE PRICES, which gives ALL the money directly into Republican oil millionaire hands. (Bush).

PUTS THE MONEY RIGHT DIRECTLY INTO REPUBLICAN MILLIONAIRE HANDS with No benefit to the citizens.

At least, our TAXES go to benefit our great nation, build highways, subsidize education & health care for the elderly & poor, pays salaries of all our military and govt officials, does research to cure diseases, protects national parks, & pays for national defense, and cleans up the pollution, to protect the environment.

TAXES SERVE the American people, to keep our nation the Leader of the Free World. By paying our taxes, we show our love & support for the best Govt on Earth, for our Freedom & our Democracy. We PAY OUR DUES to Uncle Sam, for giving us the best standard of living on the earth. "True patriots" don't mind showing their love for their country, by paying their dues.

And "True Christians" don't mind sharing a tiny bit of their surplus wealth, to help the needy or the aged, or the less fortunate in this land.

NO, the Republicans will NOT increase your Taxes, (to help the whole nation), but they WILL INCREASE your GASOLINE PRICES. (which profits will go only to the Republican oil millionaires). And REMEMBER THIS: Those HIGH GAS prices will impact ALL of our wallets MUCH MORE than simple Tax hikes. IT WILL COST YOU MUCH MORE THAN TAXES EVER COULD.

Not only will your gasoline costs go triple on your budget, but the price of food will go up, (cost of trucks to deliver the groceries to supermarkets will go up due to high cost of gasoline for the trucks) and higher cost of cabs, (same reason), & higher cost of air travel, (same reason, higher plane fuel), & cost of all goods will go up due to these higher transport costs. So the Bush Economics will (in the end) cost you zillions more, than any Taxes.

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Uh..yeah

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NO, the Republicans will NOT increase your Taxes, (to help the whole nation), but they WILL INCREASE your GASOLINE PRICES. (which profits will go only to the Republican oil millionaires). And REMEMBER THIS: Those HIGH GAS prices will impact ALL of our wallets MUCH MORE than simple Tax hikes. IT WILL COST YOU MUCH MORE THAN TAXES EVER COULD.

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John Kerry

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My plan to raise gasoline taxes by fifty cents a gallon will lower gasoline prices!

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	Dishonest Democrat

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Republicans will tell you that they will NEVER raise taxes ------ (ha ha) BUT THEY WILL SURELY raise your GASOLINE PRICES, which Guess Who Profits? No, no, it could NOT BE the OIL Companies owned by the Bush Family. (OH NO) ---- It could not be Halliburton and all the oil deals of Condoleeza Rice. Oh NO. -- It could NOT be that these oil millionaires would raise (artificially) these Gas Prices, so they can once again LOOT the American people, after stealing our pension funds, making our stock market collapse, send our boys off to war, and robbing our Clinton Surplus, & looting our Social ...

Name:	Christ said...
Re:	As you do unto the least...so do you unto me

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Kerry can be defeated with his own confession of war crimes, his voting record and his p!ss poor personality

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Kerry-vs-Kerry

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In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force.

"From the moment that we kicked [Saddam] out of Kuwait in the early 1990s, all the way through 1998, we had an American team on the ground under Ambassador [Richard] Butler destroying weapons of mass destruction. People are quick to forget that. Very quick to forget that. For seven and a half years we destroyed weapons of mass destruction, folks, and you know what, we found he had more of them than we thought he had. And we found he was further down the road to the creation of nuclear weapons than we thought he was."

"If you think I would have gone to war the way George Bush did, don't vote for me."

"to take all necessary and appropriate actions to respond to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Resolution co-sponsored by Senator Kerry, 1998

{Iraq's weapons buildup} was "a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential activities on a global basis." - Feb. 23, 1998

"regime change by itself is not a justification for going to war." - September 6, 1998

"Well, 45 minutes deployment of weapons of mass destruction, number one. Aerial vehicles to be able to deliver materials of mass destruction, number two. I mean, I -- nuclear weapons, number three. I could run a long list of clear misleading, clear exaggeration...." January 30, 2004

"Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don't even try? ... According to intelligence, Iraq has chemical and biological weapons ... Iraq is developing unmanned aerial vehicles capable of delivering chemical and biological warfare agents..." October 9, 2002

"when I voted for the war, I voted for what I thought was best for the country...Did I expect George Bush to it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did." - Rolling Stone

"They rushed the war without a plan for the peace, and we are paying an enormous price for that now. The American people are asked to pony up US$87 billion. This administration did not have a plan - still does not have an adequate plan -- for how you minimize the cost to Americans and minimize the threat to our troops." October 13, 2003 - ABC News

Name:	Editor
To:	Hafflinger

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You seem to think that oil is some kind of expendable junk food that contributes nothing positive. That simply isn't true. We get far more from the oil that we purchase from abroad, including Saudi oil, than it costs us. Far more. Too much to begin to list.

The Saudis, to whatever extent they are putting their money into radicalizing children, are getting damned little for it. In fact, they are probably subsidizing the creation of the agent of their own destruction. It is they who are feeding the crocodile, not us. The Wahabbis do not hate us because we buy their stock in trade. They have n ...

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"You seem to think that oil is some kind of expendable junk food that contributes nothing positive."

RESPONSE: No, on the contrary, I thought quite the opposite. I see oil almost like water in that we can't live without it.

"In fact, they are probably subsidizing the creation of the agent of their own destruction. It is they who are feeding the crocodile, not us."

RESPONSE: A very profound statement you made here. Yes, I agree, the Saudis are feeding the crocodile, like no crocodile has ever been fed before!

I'm not sure the Saudi crocodile will be an agent of the Saudi Kingdom's own destruction because the crocodile and the Saudis have been inbreeding with the crocodile since the 1700's. Nevertheless, in order to maintain their Kingdom puffery they must feed the crocodile everything the crocodile demands.

"The Wahabbis do not hate us because we buy their stock in trade. They have no rational reason for hating us."

RESPONSE: I am curious why you say this when you know that their extremist brand of religion demands that they convert us or kill us? We are the evil infidel that must be hated.

Name:	Curious
To:	Editor
Re:	Snake Tongued Hillary =Evil...Fetish Porn=OK

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http://www.scandinavianteens.com/tthumbs/95fa7bf463.jpg

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How many more times are you gonna allow that picture from a Scandinavian teen porn site to be posted here?

Name:	Sul Rost
To:	followers of the money and students of history
Re:	have an OP ED piece at the end of 1129 after end credits

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Republicans like ALGORE and OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM...

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Was Bill inspired by Teapot Dome Scandal? Algore thinks Teapot Dome was some kind of a Socialist Function,eh? You've seen alamogirl's hair raising site of political horror that makes the nightmare come to light. One may check out various aspects and verify that she has posted the TRUTH however obscured and trampled and whitewasjed it may be by the enabling mass media. For example, look for the "hanging burny Americans picture" in your local Hurst-owned newsrag. Most likely it was censored. The victims' own mother would not recognize their corpses but censorship was deemed "necessary and prudent". See The Democrat Socialist site for a rude awakening. Dunno if the "American" Communist Party has a site or what they might call themselves. They have had a candidate for POTUS in most if not all elections. If exposed to the light of truth, they might scurry away like the vermin they are.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual
Re:	Bad News for SPINdividual

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SPINdividual: My problem is that I would hope that we would get better growth than we have now, especially as regards jobs.

US economic growth hits 8.2 percent in third quarter[2003], a 19-year record (better than anything that happened under Clinton).

U.S. nonfarm payrolls grew by a surprising 308,000 in March, the largest gain since April 2000 (the beginning of the Clinton/Gore Recession)

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Thinking like a Democrat...

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Hillary_Clinton_Forum_1130 Supporting Hillary Clinton for President Since 1995

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So while John Kerry hides his terminal cancer from the world, Vice-President Hillary will replace his chemotherapy medication with a placebo...

Name:	Indianna Infidel
To:	remember what God said
Re:	Neutron Bombing in righteous wrath is OK

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DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU And SEEK NOT REVENGE God sees all & knows all, & will take care of the world in his own way, in his own time. We must accept the Will of God, and try to work for GOOD in the World. If evil thoughts overcome us, we become as bad, or worse, than the perceived enemy. We must provide an example of how to defeat a person ethically & morally, with facts, & fair dialogue. Bush can be defeated, because of his own record, & if the voters do not get too bored before November, he will most likely be out of the WhiteHouse by Jan 2005.

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The Good Book is silent after one turns the other cheek TWICE. Self-preservation takes over from there? The Israelites were a force to be reconned with. Even the Revolt of the Third Century, though failed, proves that the Jews were fighters. That mass suicide was an exception. They could have fought to the death but chose todo themselves in to "humiliate" the Romans and deprive them of torture victims it is supposed. Plenty of food remained although their seige had been lengthy. Some faught beck from the ghettos the Nazis placed them in. Most were unarmed by the anti-gun legislation of the Third Reich and chose not to fight back.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual
Re:	More Bad News for SPINdividual

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Notice the downward trend in Bill Clinton's last year (the Clinton/Gore Recession). Notice the recovery under Bush. Notice job recovery lagging economic recovery by about two years like we said all along.

Name:	The Real Deal
Re:	Rich White Libs Rob Blacks of Jobs

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By Karen Juanita Carrillo SACOBSERVER.COM WIRE SERVICES

NEW YORK (NNPA) - New York's radio station WLIB-1190 AM has been loyally "serving New York's Black community" - as its logo states - for decades now. In the early '90s WLIB was lauded as a resource for "Afrocentric" programming and became known for featuring Imhotep Gary Byrd's "Global Black Experience" show.

By the end of March, New York's WLIB-1190 AM will taken over by "Air America Radio," a predominantly White, liberal talk-radio network.

The station was in many ways a Black activist outlet. But by the end of this month, WLIB will be taking on a different hue, as it joins the launch of Progress Media's "Air America Radio," the new, predominately White, liberal talk-radio network. Air America has reportedly partnered with Inner City Broadcasting Corporation (ICBC), which owns WLIB.

"We are excited about the diverse and important voices Air America Radio is bringing to the airwaves, both on our own WLIB signal and others," said ICBC Chairman Pierre Sutton. "This strategic partnership allows both companies to combine our resources and deliver relevant messages to a broad and diverse audience."

Sutton added, "That's what you call 'high-class B.S.!'" one former WLIB staffer said when told that Sutton said the station's changes were necessary because African Americans had just stopped listening to WLIB. The former staffer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, insisted that if WLIB's talk shows were promoted the way conservative talk shows are - and the way Air America's shows will be - the station would have made money.

Air America Radio plans on using what it terms a roundup of "progressive activists" and "celebrities" as part of the activist left's efforts to counter the national popularity of White, Right-wing conservative talk shows and radio personalities. The network will begin broadcasting shows from across the country on March 31 over WLIB and radio stations WNTD in Chicago and Los Angeles' KBLA.

"I don't get it. I mean, I do not get it," local activist Elombe Brath said about Air America Radio's takeover at WLIB. Reports are that WLIB's 40th floor station has been remodeled for Air America, and that the 30th and 39th floors are also being re-built to suit the needs of the new network.

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Fun Facts

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Air America Radio plans on using what it terms a roundup of "progressive activists" and "celebrities" as part of the activist left's efforts to counter the national popularity of White, Right-wing conservative talk shows and radio personalities.

For Democrats, the economic news is mixed -- there's good news and bad news on the economy. The good news is there's still some bad news. Consumer confidence is slipping. Business confidence is slipping. Income growth is lagging. Manufacturing is flat or declining. The job market faces lots of challenges.

As for the U.S. economy, the news ain't so good. For Democrats. The Commerce Dept., in a recent report, said the economy grew 4.1% in the 4th quarter of '03. Not bad for the worst depression since Herbert Hoover's. Now, question is, for an economy busy laying everybody off and forcing people into soup kitchens, how does it find the time to grow? With all this growth, making any time for depression can't be easy for an economy. What, does it set aside 30 minutes each day? I mean, even Democrats must admit the performance is incredible -- juggling depression and growth at once. (Like Kerry juggling two positions on Iraq at once. Or Clarke juggling two positions on Bush at once. Or Clinton pursing Osama and Monica at once. Not easy).

Even more puzzling, now comes word from the Labor Dept. this morning that total non-farm employment rose by 308,000 workers in March. In the latest dismal sign of Bush's failed economic policies, "U.S. payrolls grew at the fastest pace in nearly four years in March," CNN reports, soaring "past Wall Street forecast and could play a pivotal role in . . . the presidential election." The jump in the jobs number was worse than Democrats expected. And, in another blow to Democrat optimists, who saw heavy job losses for the first quarter, the Labor Dept. revised January and February payrolls upward a total of 87,000 new jobs, extending the worst stretch of economic news for Democrats since Bush took office.

To halt his ratings slide, Kerry badly needed a huge boost this morning, but the bleak employment report, showing no job cuts for any sector, could not have come at a worst time. And there's no relief in sight. Confidence in Kerry, even ahead of the dismal jobs report, was already sliding. The disappointing news of jobs expansion could signal a deepening, prolonged slump for Kerry. As the growing economy worsens into a full-blown expansion, will Kerryites simply stop looking for work . . . in the White House? Will the damaging effects of the surging economy, fueled by Bush's tax cut "for the wealthy", mean higher unemployment at Kerry campaign headquarters, already strapped for cash? Stay tuned!

Meanwhile, Al Franken and the gang have launched an all liberal radio network called Air France, oops, I mean Air America. They say they're sick and tired of all the right-wing fanaticism and non-stop pro-Bush propaganda at the New York Times. They say it's time to balance Dan Rather, Judy Woodruff and other -conservatives who dominate the airwaves. They want to build a radio audience to rival that of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. Don't laugh. They're not there yet -- but they've got 10 steady listeners already, which means only 40 million more to go.

Franken feels it's outrageous that millions of radio listeners don't appreciate the extraordinary radio talents of people like Franken. But that's probably because they've been brain-washed by arch-conservatives like Peter Jennings.

The network features a broad range of talent, including national security and Defense expert Janeane Garofalo. It wouldn't surprise me to see Howard Dean also join the line-up, offering tips on running winning campaigns.

Mark Walsh, network chief executive, denies Air America is blindly partisan, saying the idea was to denounce political hubris without regard to party or ideology. Indeed, even Franken is showing signs of greater moderation. He now supports Perestroika reforms in Gorbachev's Soviet Union.

Meanwhile, with Bush's polls surging and Clarke's credibility tanking, Democrats expressed outrage at the treatment of the former Clinton holdover who swears he's a counterterrorism expert if only someone would listen to him.

"The all-out assault on Clark," who launched an all-out assault on Bush, "has gone on for more than a week now" and "it is time for this to stop," thundered Tommy Daschle on the Senate floor, standing atop a stack of Clarke books so he could be seen. Clarke rose from disgruntled government bureaucrat to discredited disgruntled government bureaucrat in week's time and it's all Bush's fault.

" Clarke's book is not aimed at political retribution," screamed New York Senator Chuck Schumer. Clarke, whose credibility has been badly damaged by Republicans outrageously quoting Clarke praising Bush several months ago, is "a principled man," said Schumer. And there's nothing wrong with a principled man revising his principles with changing circumstances, like a book deal offer. The Democrat defense of Clarke is a sign that Clarke's effort to discredit Bush on terrorism policy has seriously eroded public confidence in Kerry's terrorism policy and Democrats are worried.

"He lied about Saddam's chemical and biological weapons capacity: "Evidence suggests that it has begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard gas, sarin, cyclosarin and VX. Intelligence reports show that Iraq has invested more heavily in its biological weapons programs over the last four years, with the result that all key aspects of this program - R&D, production and weaponization - are active. Most elements of the program are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf War. Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating agents and is capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety of such agents, including anthrax, for delivery on a range of vehicles such as bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers and covert operatives which could bring them to the United States homeland. " –Sen. John Kerry (D) 10/09/2002

He lied about Saddam's missiles: "Since inspectors left, the Iraqi regime has energized its missile program - probably now consisting of a few dozen Scud-type missiles with ranges of 650 to 900 kilometers that could hit Israel, Saudi Arabia and other U.S. allies in the region. In addition, Iraq is developing unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), capable of delivering chemical and biological warfare agents, which could threaten Iraq's neighbors as well as American forces in the Persian Gulf. " –Sen. John Kerry (D) 10/09/2002

He lied to convince us that Saddam was making nukes: "Iraq has maintained its nuclear scientists and technicians as well as sufficient dual-use manufacturing capability to support a reconstituted nuclear weapons program. Iraqi defectors who once worked for Iraq's nuclear weapons establishment have reportedly told American officials that acquiring nuclear weapons is a top priority for Saddam Hussein's regime. " –Sen. John Kerry (D) 10/09/2002

He lead America to believe that Saddam could have a bomb by 10/03!!! "If Iraq could acquire this material from abroad, the CIA estimates that it could have a nuclear weapon within one year." –Sen. John Kerry (D) 10/09/2002

He lied about needing the international community's support: "Can we really leave this to chance, when we could eliminate this deadly threat by acting now in concert with the international community, or alone if the threat is imminent -- which it is not now? In my view, we cannot. " –Sen. John Kerry (D) 10/09/2002

He tried to sell Saddam's intent-his "wants" as a reason for war: The Iraqi regime's record over the decade leaves little doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and to expand it to include nuclear weapons. We cannot allow him to prevail in that quest. The weapons are an unacceptable threat. And if the Iraqi regime refuses to allow the international community to find and destroy those weapons through a non-negotiable, immediate, unfettered and unconditional inspection process, then together with the international community, we will be justified in going to war to eliminate the threat. " –Sen. John Kerry (D) 10/09/2002

"Mr. President, I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. And I will vote "yes" because on the question of how best to hold Saddam Hussein accountable, the Administration, including the President, recognizes that war must be our last option to address this threat, not the first, and that we should be acting in concert with allies around the globe to make the world's case against Saddam Hussein. As the President made clear earlier this week, "Approving this resolution does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable." It means that "America speaks with one voice." " –Sen. John Kerry (D) 10/09/2002 (note: over 5 months later-having spent a record total of 17 months on diplomatic efforts toward Iraq, diplomacy failed, the President still gave Saddam a 48 hr last chance to peacefully resolve the entire situation)

Name:	Hafflinger
To:	ET

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RESPONSE: I am curious why you say this when you know that their extremist brand of religion demands that they convert us or kill us? We are the evil infidel that must be hated. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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What has that got to do with my pickup? Seems to me that if all Americans rode to work in Jewish slave-powered rickshas the Wahabbies would still brand us infidels and hate us. So why the pogrom against oil?

Name:	Grass Valley
To:	MudHead
Re:	Get your head out of your ass!

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We must provide an example of how to defeat a person ethically & morally, with facts, & fair dialogue. Bush can be defeated, because of his own record, & if the voters do not get too bored before November, he will most likely be out of the WhiteHouse by Jan 2005. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Bush does not need to be defeated. In fact, given the lack of quality of ALL of his opponents, He needs to be supported and re-elected.

Name:	Bircher / LDS Utility Nag
To:	Sul Rost
Re:	Communist Websites!!!!!!!!

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Dunno if the "American" Communist Party has a site or what they might call themselves

Name:	Stop Islam
Re:	Gov't Warns of Summer Bomb Plots in U.S.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&e=1&u=/ap/20040402/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_threat

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My "pogrom" as you call it, against oil, was there before I knew what a Wahhabi was. Importing 67% of our oil puts us at risk, in many ways,wouldn't you agree?

Name:	Great Ghosts O' Nixon
To:	ET
Re:	KerryGate

Message:
Who broke into Gerard Nicosia's home? What Kerry secret was contained in those three boxes? Were the "plumbers" at least union members or did they "outsource" the job?

Name:	Hafflinger
To:	ET
Re:	Purchasing oil from Saudis makes more sense than purchasing rubbish from China.

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My "pogrom" as you call it, against oil, was there before I knew what a Wahhabi was.

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From what I see, we are importing a huge and ever-growing portion of just about everything we consume, much of it from countries whose regimes are no real friends of ours. I have one hell of a time finding any merchandise that is of domestic origin, including even many grocery items. So why the focus on oil?

Re: "Importing 67% of our oil puts us at risk, in many ways,wouldn't you agree?"

Yes, in general I do agree. We really ought to quit legislating the systematic destruction of our domestic energy industry, not no mention a host of other strategically important and otherwise highly desirable industries. The fear and loathing of an extremist minority for industry in general and the petroleum industry in particuilar is costing this country dearly in myriad ways. It could well lead to the end of this country as a sovereign entity, and soon.

TV Shows Take On Bush, and Pull Few Punches

EST HOLLYWOOD, Calif., March 31 — Galvanized politically in ways they have not been since the early 1990's, Hollywood's more liberal producers and writers are increasingly expressing their displeasure with President Bush with not only their wallets, but also their scripts.

In recent weeks, characters in prime time have progressed beyond the typical Hollywood knocks against Washington politicians to calling out the president directly or questioning his policies, including the decision to go to war in Iraq, the support of the antiterrorism law and the backing of a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.

On the NBC show "Whoopi," the hotelier played by Whoopi Goldberg delivered an anti-Bush screed when the president, played by a lookalike, appeared at her establishment to use the facilities. "I can't believe he's in there doing to my bathroom what he's done to the economy!" she said.

One of the wise-cracking detectives on the NBC show "Law & Order," played by Jesse L. Martin, referred to the president as the "dude that lied to us." The character went on to say, "I don't see any weapons of mass destruction, do you?" His cantankerous partner, played by Jerry Orbach, retorted that Saddam Hussein did have such weapons because the president's "daddy" sold them to a certain someone "who used to live in Baghdad."

But the season finale of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" on HBO arguably best conveyed the growing sentiment. On that episode, the main character, played by the comedian Larry David, backed out of a dalliance sanctioned by his wife after noticing that his prospective paramour had lovingly displayed a picture of Mr. Bush on her dresser.

Network executives and some producers said these were isolated cases, reflecting the political debate dividing the country and coming at a time when television has never had a greater diversity of viewpoints on a wider array of channels. They added that these examples should not be seen as reflective of a supposed liberal agenda in the entertainment industry, an argument they said was undercut by shows with patriotic streaks like "J.A.G." on CBS. (These network executives declined to be quoted by name because, they said, it would be tantamount to engaging publicly in a debate traditionally thorny for them.)

Still, many in the creative community are not shy about their anger and distress with the administration, and some acknowledge channeling those emotions into their productions.

"You want to say to people, `Wait a minute, is this man leading this country as an American or is he leading the country as a Christian,' " said Ms. Goldberg, who is an executive producer and writer for "Whoopi."

Asked if she would be pleased if her show could contribute to the defeat of Mr. Bush, she said, "I would like that," but added that she was careful to present opposing views.

Tim Graham, an analyst with the Media Research Center, a conservative group that monitors the media for signs of liberal bias, said scripts had not been this political since the 1992 election. That campaign season, displeasure over 12 years of Republican residency in the White House and Dan Quayle's criticism of the fictitious Murphy Brown for having a child out of wedlock contributed to the outspokenness.

Mr. Graham and other observers said the barbs dwindled during the term of President Bill Clinton, who counted many in the Hollywood creative community as his friends.

And certainly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, many in Hollywood seemed to get behind the president to see how they could help bolster the image of the United States abroad. Some executives later produced programming like "DC 9/11: Time of Crisis," a Showtime movie about Mr. Bush's handling of the attacks that liberal critics said unduly lionized him.

Producers, actors and longtime executives said that the combination of the failure to find unconventional weapons in Iraq, the troubled economy and the president's environmental and social policies had stirred the town's prominent liberals to action.

"I have never, ever seen this community more united than right now, never," said Laurie David, Mr. David's wife, who has been active in organizing the creative community against Mr. Bush. "Not a day goes by when I'm not getting a dozen calls from people saying to me, `What can I do?' And it's all with one goal: to change the course of what's going on in this country and get rid of this administration."

Ms. David and her like-minded peers are putting a lot of money behind the push. She, for one, has given $100,000 to the Media Fund and America Coming Together, Democratic groups using unlimited donations to run television commercials and to motivate voters against the president. Marcy Carsey, whose production house Carsey-Werner-Mandabach produces "Whoopi," has given $500,000 to the Media Fund, federal election records show. Ms. Carsey declined to be interviewed for this article.

On Wednesday night alone, Senator John Kerry's campaign was estimated to have raised $2.5 million at a fund-raising event in Beverly Hills attended by powerful studio executives like Sherry Lansing, the chief executive of Paramount Studios, and stars like the actors Jennifer Aniston and Owen Wilson. Mr. David, who declined to comment for this article, performed at the fund-raiser. Saying he had a lot in common with the president, Mr. David described himself as "a nincompoop, a chicken and a liar."

Republicans, conservatives and campaign aides to the president said they expected money to flow from Hollywood, a place they consider a bastion of liberalism, to the Democrats. But they said they were surprised by how much partisan sentiment seemed to be seeping onto television.

Mr. Graham said the anti-Bush sentiment coming across in prime time was more troublesome than usual because it was woven into scripts across so many of the major networks, and not restricted to sketch comedy.

"It's different when you're really involved in `NYPD Blue' or `Law & Order,' and to you it's, `That's my man Sipowicz and he doesn't like Bush,' " Mr. Graham said. "This can be seen, and certainly is seen, by conservatives as Hollywood's in-kind contribution to the Kerry campaign."

Matthew Dowd, the president's chief campaign strategist, said he was not planning any moves to combat such scripted critiques. "I do acknowledge every bit of information that's communicated on things has some effect," he said. "But I don't think it's something you run against. It's something you acknowledge that exists, it's just something that's there."

Some producers said they were simply raising important questions as part of a larger national debate. Wolf, the executive producer of the troika of "Law & Order" series, said that his characters' critiques of Mr. Bush were in his programs' long tradition of equal-opportunity provocation. "Virtually everyone who lives in the lower 48 states at one time or another has been offended by `Law & Order,' " Mr. Wolf said in a statement.

"Why does it have to become unpatriotic to do something that is our inherent right, which is to debate issues?" said Tom Fontana, the creator of shows like "Oz" and "Homicide."

Mr. Fontana said he wrote a film for HBO called "Strip Search" to explore the merits of the USA Patriot Act. The film, which has not been shown yet, tracks the parallel experiences of an American woman being held for questioning by the authorities in China and a Muslim man being held for questioning in the United States, both on suspicions of terrorism.

"The real question is, if it's wrong for a white American woman to be mistreated in a repressive country, is it O.K. for us to mistreat a Muslim male in this country?" he said. "I don't know the answer, but when does the humanity stop and the fear take over?"

Robert Breech, an executive producer of "The Practice" on ABC, said his show was trying to spark debate and entertain while presenting both sides. In one episode, a lawyer gave an impassioned speech to a jury in which she referred to the use of a "free speech zone" that kept protesters away from Mr. Bush. "What is happening to this country?" the lawyer asked.

"We're really just inviting people to think about these things," Mr. Breech said. "How far is too far in seeking security?"

Name:	Why do Libs try to silence their own?
Re:	Nader Blasts 'Hot Air America'

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Things turned ugly on the new liberal talk radio network, "Air America," Wednesday night, with guest Ralph Nader blasting the Democratic Party's counterweight to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly as "Hot Air America."

Nader got into an on-air tussle with "Air America" host Randi Rhodes, during which Rhodes repeatedly informed him she was "pissed" that he was running for president, complaining that he had "screwed up the last election."

The perennial candidate said the fact that Democrats couldn't hang onto what he described as their presidential victory was the party's own fault.

It was all downhill from there, as Nader and Rhodes screamed at one another for the next 10 minutes.

RHODES: You know the Democrats' policy, you know when the Republicans talk about regime change was the Clinton administration's policy, but it was regime change from within. It was never military action on our part on Iraq. That was not the policy ...

NADER: ... You know, Clinton was a draft-dodger so he wasn't willing to take on the Pentagon. And he wasn't willing to take on the Congress on many huge military expenditures and that starved many of the necessities back home among the American people. ...

NADER: I'm sorry, can you afford freedom? Can you afford choice? Can you afford civil liberties?

NADER: ... can you – is this the way you want to start Air America? You want it to be Hot Air America?

RHODES: Ralph, let me tell you something. If you did get to be president, tell me who you would caucus with. Tell me who you could get to vote for your ... views and visions, and your, your bills! Who is an independent other than Bernie Sanders and Jim Jeffords? Who are you gonna count on? You ... let's say you win, OK?

RHODES: ... let's say it's seventy years old, from your house in Connecticut, your little house ...

NADER: ... you're not letting your, you're not letting your guest be, have a chance to speak. You're ...

RHODES: [laughs] Look. Don't tell me how to do radio; I've done it for twenty years. You screwed up the last election, and now you want to screw up this one, and I'm pissed!

NADER: (pause; speechless) You know, you ought to be ashamed of yourself because you ...

NADER: ... you agree with me on so many issues. You really ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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"You want to say to people, `Wait a minute, is this man leading this country as an American or is he leading the country as a Christian,' " said Ms. Goldberg, who is an executive producer and writer for "Whoopi."

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I personally want to thank the Slimfast people for getting Whoopi to reveal she's a "Big Loser" on national television day after day after day... (bio below)

Goldberg, Whoopi. Former teenaged streetwalker. Former heroin addict. Formerly involved with Ted Danson (a worse crime?). Possible involvement with Patrick Stewart. Linked with Frank Langella. Hygienically challenged. Difficult to work with.

A year ago, I thought Richard A. Clarke, President Clinton's counterterror czar, was a hero. He and his small band of officials fought a long battle to focus the bureaucracy on stopping Osama bin Laden long before 9/11. For my own book, I interviewed Mr. Clarke extensively and found him to be blunt and forthright. He remembered whole conversations from inside the Situation Room.

So I looked forward to reading "Against All Enemies." Yes, I expected him to put the wood to President Bush for not doing enough about terrorism--a continuation of his Clinton-era complaints--and I expected that he might be right. I assumed, of course, that he would not spare the Clinton team either, or the CIA and FBI. I expected, in short, something blunt and forthright--and, that rarest thing, nonpartisan in a principled way.

I was wrong on all counts. Forthright? One momentous Bush-era episode on which Mr. Clarke can shed some light is his decision to approve the flights of the bin Laden clan out of the U.S. in the days after 9/11, when all other flights were grounded. About this he doesn't say a word. The whole premise of "Against All Enemies" is its value as an insider account. But Mr. Clarke was not a Bush insider. When he lost his right to brief the Cabinet, he also lost his ringside seat on presidential decision-making.

Mr. Clarke's ire is largely directed at the Iraq war, but its preparation was left to others on the National Security Council. He left the White House almost a month before the war began. As for its justification, he acts as if there is none. He dismisses, as "raw," reports that show meetings between al Qaeda and the Mukhabarat, Iraq's intelligence service, going back to 1993. The documented meeting between the head of the Mukhabarat and bin Laden in Khartoum, Sudan, in 1996--a meeting that challenged all the CIA's assumptions about "secular" Iraq's distance from Islamist terrorism--should have set off alarm bells. It didn't.

There is other evidence of a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda that Mr. Clarke should have felt obliged to address. Just days before Mr. Clarke resigned, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the United Nations that bin Laden had met at least eight times with officers of Iraq's Special Security Organization. In 1998, an aide to Saddam's son Uday defected and repeatedly told reporters that Iraq funded al Qaeda. South of Baghdad, satellite photos pinpointed a Boeing 707 parked at a camp where terrorists learned to take over planes. When U.S. forces captured the camp, its commander confirmed that al Qaeda had trained there as early as 1997. Mr. Clarke does not take up any of this.

Curiously, about the Clinton years, where Mr. Clarke's testimony would be authoritative, he is circumspect. When I interviewed him a year ago, he thundered at the political appointees who blocked his plan to destroy bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan in the wake of the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole. Yet in his book he glosses over them. He has little of his former vitriol for Clinton-era bureaucrats who tried to stop the deployment of the Predator spy plane over Afghanistan. (It spotted bin Laden three times.)

He fails to mention that President Clinton's three "findings" on bin Laden, which would have allowed the U.S. to take action against him, were haggled over and lawyered to death. And he plays down the fact that the Treasury Department, worried about the effects on financial markets, obstructed efforts to cut off al Qaeda funding. He never notes that between 1993 and 1998 the FBI, under Mr. Clinton, paid an informant who turned out to be a double agent working on behalf of al Qaeda. In 1998, the Clinton administration alerted Pakistan to our imminent missile strikes in Afghanistan, despite the links between Pakistan's intelligence service and al Qaeda. Mr. Clarke excuses this decision--bin Laden managed to flee just before the strikes--as a diplomatic necessity.

While angry over Mr. Bush's intelligence failures, Mr. Clarke actually defends one of the Clinton administration's biggest ones--the bombing of a Sudanese "aspirin factory" in 1998. Even at the time, there were good reasons for doubting that it made nerve agents. He fails to mention that in 1997 the CIA had to reject more than 100 reports from Sudan when agency sources failed lie-detector tests and that the CIA continued to pay Sudanese dissidents $100 a report, in a country where the annual per-capita income is about $400. The soil sample he cites, supposedly showing a nerve-gas ingredient, is now agreed to contain a common herbicide.

Last year Mr. Clarke made much of such failures. But this year he treats Mr. Clinton with deference. Indeed, the only man whom he really wants to take to the woodshed is President Bush. Mr. Clarke believes the Iraq war to be a foolish distraction from the fight against terrorism, driving a wedge between the U.S. and its Arab allies. In fairness, he might have noted that, since the war started, our allies (e.g., Saudi Arabia and Sudan) have given us more intelligence leads, not fewer. Considering its anti-Bush bias, maybe Mr. Clarke's book should have been called "Against One Enemy."

Or, better, "Against All Evidence." Mr. Clarke misstates a range of checkable facts. The 1993 U.S. death toll in Somalia was 18, not 17. He writes that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed became al Qaeda's "chief operational leader" in 1995; in fact, he took over in November 2001. He writes (correctly) that Abdul Yasim, one of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers, fled to Iraq but adds the whopper that "he was incarcerated by Saddam Hussein's regime." An ABC News crew found Mr. Yasim working a government job in Iraq in 1997, and documents captured in 2003 revealed that the bomber had been on Saddam's payroll for years.

Mr. Clarke gets the timing wrong of the plot to assassinate bin Laden in Sudan; it was 1994, not 1995, and was the work of Saudi intelligence, not Egypt. He dismisses Laurie Mylorie's argument that Iraq was behind the 1993 World Trade Center blast as if there is nothing to it. Doesn't it matter that the bombers made hundreds of phone calls to Iraq in the weeks leading up to the event? That Ramzi Yousef, the lead bomber, entered the U.S. as a supposed refugee from Iraq? That he was known as "Rasheed the Iraqi"?

In recent days we have been subjected to a great deal of Mr. Clarke, not least to replays of his fulsome apology for not doing enough to prevent 9/11. But he has nothing to apologize for: He was a relentless foe of al Qaeda for years. He should really apologize for the flaws in his book.

Mr. Miniter is the author of "Losing bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror" (Regnery), which you can buy from the OpinionJournal bookstore.

March 31, 2004

Are you angry yet? Is this enough to do it?

Look at the wonderful, peace loving religion of Islam:

The Boy's Sign says: "Falluja, cemetery of Americans"

It gets worse...

What will it take? Is this enough?

These are fathers, sons, husbands...

Are you angry yet?

Do you really want anyone in the White House other than George W. Bush right now? John Kerry? Hillary Clinton? I bet the boy with the sign would much rather see John Kerry in the White House.

These animals aren't "freedom fighter" or "insurgents" (as the news has begun to call them) they are animals and murderers. It's time to kill them. It's time to take the fight to them like we never have before. Do you really believe that they won't come here and do this to you, your family, and your neighbors if given the opportunity?

Bill Clintons cowardice in the face of our Rangers being drug through the streets of Mogadishu emboldened the terrorist scum in the years leading up to September 11. Don't let liberal cowardice do it again.

Can we admit yet that this is a religious war?

Scott Helvenston, 38, was a former member of the US Navy SEALs who joined at the age of 17 and served until 1994. He then became a fitness instructor and actor, appearing in such films as GI Jane and Face/Off. He was the father of two sons, one 15, the other 13. His brother had this to say about Helvenston:

Name:	Editor
To:	Hafflinger

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From what I see, we are importing a huge and ever-growing portion of just about everything we consume, much of it from countries whose regimes are no real friends of ours. I have one hell of a time finding any merchandise that is of domestic origin, including even many grocery items. So why the focus on oil?

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"I have one hell of a time finding any merchandise that is of domestic origin, including even many grocery items. So why the focus on oil?"

RESPONSE: There is a huge difference between oil and all the other stuff we import. If all imports from foreign countries suddenly stopped Americans would survive. Huge dislocations, disruptions, bankruptcies & financial crises would occur, but we would survive.

But if all oil imports from OPEC suddenly stopped, it would be a disaster. America, as we know it, could barely function. The results may be even more catastrophic than a nuclear bomb.

OPEC is made up primarily of nations that support jihadi terrorism. All they have to do to drop the bomb on us is to stop selling us oil. China, Europe, Japan, India, South Korea and Taiwan are all net importers and will take up all the slack.

OPEC has it's own nuclear bomb. All it has to do to set it off is have a meeting and make the decision to cut America off from their oil pipeline. Bye-bye America as we know it.

Name:	John Kerry
To:	dead beat dad

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"...cowardice in front of our Rangers..."

Name:	Release the Records John
Re:	The Candidates Are Mortal

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Politically, it sounds crippling — the doctor's order that Senator John Kerry shake no hands on the campaign trail for the next few weeks, and hoist no babies into the air until mid-May. But realistically, there are other ways to work campaign crowds, and the senator wisely figures that the minor surgical repair of two torn shoulder tendons will leave him in better shape for the rest of the presidential marathon. The brief operation presented no problems, according to Mr. Kerry's doctors. But the intensely covered, four-day sidetracking of Mr. Kerry's public campaign is a further reminder that the nation needs to know the state of the major candidates' health in up-to-the-minute detail.

It was only a year ago that Mr. Kerry underwent surgery for the removal of his cancerous prostate gland — he initially delayed telling the public about that operation. His doctors have pronounced Mr. Kerry in excellent health, with no signs of recurring cancer in recent tests. These reassurances are welcome, but they are no substitute for the release of the senator's full medical file. The Kerry campaign has yet to deliver on its promise to make his medical history public.

President Bush's medical checkups are regularly released in detail. But not so for Vice President Cheney, who not only is a cardiac patient taking serious medication and dependent on an electronic device to insure a regular heartbeat, but also has a record of secretiveness and disregard of public disclosure. Mr. Cheney has certainly seemed robust of late in the heavy's role of attacking Mr. Kerry's character and candidacy. But it's not enough for the public to hear the White House's grudging announcements that Mr. Cheney continues to pass his physicals. Where is the full report on the vice president's health that voters deserve as he seeks four more years of public service?

The Republicans could not win the election in 1996 by merely hating Bill Clinton. Strangely enough the Democrats are following the 1996 Republican strategy. The extremists have completely taken over the Democrat party. The Al Franken’s and the DUer’s and Left Wing Liars/Wacko Conspiracy Theorists have taken over the Democrat party. It is amazing to watch. The Right had their Liars/Wacko Conspiracy Theorist and I swear it looks like they all switched parties and joined the Democrats. Truly weird.

I personally feel a lot less political than I did 5 year ago – 10 years ago. I am not thrilled with the Republican Party or President Bush and I sure as heck am in no mood to carry anybody’s water. I am not into wars – any wars. And I am not sure about Iraq. I could have been swayed by a principled Democrat for president – the Democrat party is not offering one.

Howard Dean was semi-close to a principled Democrat. But clearly he has screws loose in a very John McCain sorta way. When Dean’s weird side really started coming out clearly the Democrats panicked and selected the next nearest Democrat – seemingly solely because of his height, the Democrats picked Kerry. Kerry has got to be the worst Democrat candidate for president I have ever seen. MY GOD – he is an arrogant dishonest, weasel, northeastern liberal elitist rich-boy how has taken more special interest money than any other Senator. Kerry has more skeletons in his closet than The Army of Darkness. I don’t think the Democrats could have picked a worse candidate. The Republicans are hopping around like a kid that has to go to the bathroom because they are forced to hold back on using all the Kerry dirt until the election is closer. Kerry got a very short surge and is currently deflating faster than the Wicked Witch of the West using a shower massage.

If I could forecast the future, I would be a very rich man – currently I am not. But I swear it looks like the Democrats are going to get shellacked this fall.

Now we have Air American. The Left is putting on display just how hateful and small minded they really are. But I was heartened today – I read a transcript of an Air America interview between Senator Biden and Al Franken. Al tried to play the “Bush knew about 911 before 911” game and Biden b!tch-slapped Franken by saying “President George Bush would have thrown his body in front of the planes himself if it would have stopped 9/11” then Al “fatter than Rush” Franken tried to play the “war for oil” crapola and Biden basically said that was a bunch of crap. Franken was demoralized. The Left in this country is rudderless and full of useless hate (for Bush, not the terrorist that actually killed our people). Biden is a respectable Democrat – there are some out there – they just seem to be few and far between lately.

I have gone through many political changes lately. It all started (pretty much) when I met ET a few years ago. I was amazed that when it was all boiled down we really only strongly disagreed about one subject – abortion. It was strong supporting evidence that this is not a black and white world. Since then I have realized while I may be politically conservative – I have more in common with many liberal than I do with a lot of conservatives (not politically of course). I am socially liberal, I am artistically liberal, I humanly liberal, but I am politically conservative. I knew I was changing when some conservatives on Free Republic made an issue of my liberal side. Like I said, I am in no mood to carry anybody’s water.

I am sick of hateful Democrats (just as I am sure the Democrats were sick of hateful Republicans in the Clinton years). Although I think the Democrats have taken the hateful thing much further than the Republicans. A large percent of Democrats seem to hate Bush more than the terrorist that are killing our people. This can not stand. These Democrats need to be b!tch-slapped but good. Maybe after Bush’s landslide victory this fall the Democrats will reform as a more rational party. Maybe one big blowout will change the political climate. Call me an optimist.

Bush is not a very partisan guy. Unlike Clinton, Bush spends very little time bashing the other party. Maybe Bush’s second term will be a period or political rebuilding and the Democrats might present a candidate that I could even vote for. Today, if Joe Biden was running for President – I would vote for him. What he did on the liberal hate radio show was BIG. Maybe others will follow his example.

Name:	Milan
To:	ET and Hafflinger
Re:	Fighting back with AMERICAN buying power

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OPEC has it's own nuclear bomb. All it has to do to set it off is have a meeting and make the decision to cut America off from their oil pipeline. Bye-bye America as we know it.

So many people worry about Saudi Arabia’s leverage in possessing the world’s largest oil reserves. So few take the time to consider America’s leverage as consumer of 25% of the world’s oil supply. Since oil makes up around 90-95% of total Saudi export earnings and 70%-80% of state revenues, Saudi officials are in fact much more concerned about the price of oil than we are.

According to the U.S. Department of Energy "Rules of Thumb," world oil prices increase $3 to $5 per barrel for every 1 million barrels removed from the world market. Assuming that this formula works in the opposite direction, I have made the following calculations based on year 2001 U.S. consumption of 19.6 million barrels per day at the world price of $20.98 per barrel:

According to an analysis by the Saudi American Bank, Saudi Arabia requires an oil price of $22 per barrel to balance its budget. There is no doubt that a price of $11.48 to $15.28 per barrel would drastically curtail the regime’s ability to continue financing:

7,500 Koranic schools in Pakistan currently housing almost 1 million children being indoctrinated to hate America, Israel and India.

210 Islamic centers, more than 1,500 mosques and 202 colleges and almost 2,000 schools for educating Muslim children in non-Islamic countries in Europe, North and South America, Australia, that spread a form of Islam that is anathema to most Muslim refugees that live in the West.

Worldwide free distribution of textbooks that speak of Allah turning Jews and Christians into "apes and s,"

and praise jihad as the "most important activity" and raise the status of the jihad warriors over those that "sit still,"

and speak of a judgement day when the trees and rocks will call upon Muslims to kill the Jews that are hiding behind them.

The destruction of slightly damaged Ottoman cultural treasures in Bosnia and Kosovo in order to make way for austere Wahhabi mosques,

and the indoctrination of Bosnian Muslim youth with the belief that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks.

The training of Wahhabi clerics like Warith Deen Umar, "the most influential Muslim prison chaplain in New York" (until he was banned in February of 2003) who praised the 9/11 hijackers as "martyrs,"

and proposed the creation of a fifth column of American "holy warriors" from ex-convicts.

2) Arnaud de Borchgrave "Peanut for terror incubator" Washington Times (March 20, 2002)

3) The Middle East Media Research Institute "Billions spent by Saudi royal family to spread Islam to every corner of the Earth" MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 360 (March 27, 2002).

4) Steven Stalinsky "Saudi Arabia’s education System" Front Page Magazine (December 30, 2002) www.FrontPageMagazine.com

5) "Yugoslavia: Saudi Wahhabi aid workers bulldoze Balkan monuments" Jolyon Naegele, Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty (August 4, 2000) www.rferl.org

6) P. Mitchell Prothero "Feature: Bosnia’s Muslim aid hard to resist" The Washington Times (May 16, 2002)

7) Brian Whitmore "Saudi ‘charity’ troubles Bosniaks" Boston Sunday Globe (January 27, 2002)

9) Paul Barrett "Criminal fifth column" The Wall Street Journal (February 5, 2003)

Kenneth Lovett, Frederic U. man, Eric Lenkowitz "Jailhouse crock" New York Post (February 6, 2003)

Name:	Barney Frank
To:	John Kerry
Re:	"...removal of a cancerous prodtaye gland..."

Message:
Let's talk.

Name:	Hafflinger
To:	ET

In response to:
OPEC has it's own nuclear bomb. All it has to do to set it off is have a meeting and make the decision to cut America off from their oil pipeline. Bye-bye America as we know it.

Message:
We are capable of doing without Saudi oil. We may very well have to for one reason or another. However, our doing so will not impoverish the Saudis, and what if it did? Do you think that we can deal with our enemies, or more correctly, those that you perceive to be enablers of enemies by cutting off certain other nations's "allowance", as it were by with-holding our custom, and at considerable inconvenience to ourselves? I don't. I don't think that we can convince the world to boycott Middle East oil until selected Middle East nations accommodate themselves to our wishes, either.

Name:	Right Wing Pirahna #3
To:	Last Visable Dog

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"...it looks like the Democrats will get shellacked... "...it looks like the Democrats will get shellacked.."

Name:	Editor
To:	Editor
Re:	dead beat dad

Message:
Thank you for posting the Falluja photographs. The grisly mutilation of these four security consultants — ambushed, burned, mutilated, dragged through the streets strikes a very deep nerve.

What Falluja has done hardens my resolve. We must never withdraw until we win the war the peace in Iraq. But at the same time we cannot, and must not take it out on the whole of Islam, or all of the Muslims. We cannot win this war alone. We must have the good Muslims win it with us.

While we must not take revenge on the Iraqis, but I have no qualms about Falluja. Our military must teach Falluja a lesson they won't forget.

Name:	Hafflinger
Re:	10% . Pull your foot out of it, people!

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. However, our doing so will not impoverish the Saudis,

Message:
On this point, Milan begs to differ somewhat. I would point out, though, that while the U.S is a major consumer of petroleum, we are not the only consumer, and low prices caused by U.S. withdrawal from any significant sector of the oil market will tend to raise consumption by other users, of which there are a large and growing number, and increasingly prolific users besides, putting upward pressure on prices. In other words, I think that non-U.S. consumption trends would tend to bail the Saudis out.

Message:
Nice to see that China is becoming a significant producer of petroleum. I hope that China's upward production curve can approximate her growing economy's increasing requirements. I don't know what the prospects of that are, though.

Name:	Editor
To:	Haffinger

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Do you think that we can deal with our enemies, or more correctly, those that you perceive to be enablers of enemies by cutting off certain other nations's "allowance", as it were by with-holding our custom, and at considerable inconvenience to ourselves?

Message:
With all due respect, you have confused the issue here. When I compared going without imported goods vs going without imported oil from terrorist supporting nations I was not proposing that we withold our custom.

I was responding to your question:
"I have one hell of a time finding any merchandise that is of domestic origin, including even many grocery items. So why the focus on oil?"

I was trying to explain to you that there is a huge difference between being cut off from imported goods VS being cut off from imported oil.

You are confusing the issue here, I would not be so crazy as to propose we stop the importation of goods from foreign countries. Perhaps it's late in the day and time to opt-out of this debate.

Name:

Vic Snyder

Message:
I was getting some lunch earlier today and it is "Ala Carte style" you tell them what you want and they put it on a dish and hand it to you, similiar to the military chow hall, some people ahead of me were ordering several different foods and waiting while I already had my food, was it considered rude of me for going around them and straight to the register to pay? or should I have waited for them to get thier food and stayed behind them? i kind of felt silly when I was paying then they were behind me..

Name:	Hafflinger
To:	Editor (s)

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Our military must teach Falluja a lesson they won't forget. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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I seriously doubt that the whole city is complicit in this horror. A couple of the persons in the pictures appear to be congenital idiots, and they may not be fully aware of what is happening around them. I doubt if the very young people have any clear idea of what they are up to, either. Regardless of that, there are plainly sone very bad actors in the Falluja area, and in the greater "Sunni Triangle". We must identify these elements and eliminate them, just as we rooted the Nazis out of Germany. In other words, our forces must pacify the area.

Name:	Buzz
To:	Forum

Message:
I've seen reference to a video produced by a Mr. Ed Eckholdt about Air America and it's operations in southeast asia entitled, oddly enough- AIR AMERICA IN THE EARLY 1960S: THE LAOS YEARS. Does anyone here have this tape, have access to this tape or know anything of it?

Name:	Editor
To:	oil debaters

Message:
Looking at this last map I don't think we can do without OPEC oil, but we can cut back 10% as Milan suggests.

But if we cut back 10% to send a message to the Saudis, they have the power to hit us even harder.

We have to keep feeding the feeder-of-the-crocodile, which is the same as feeding the crocodile except that we are using a proxy feeder.

Name:	And the Beat Goes On...
Re:	LaRouche: McAuliffe is Nuts, Kerry is Incompetent

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Perpetual presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche this week lashed out against Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe, calling him "nuts."

In an open letter to McAuliffe, LaRouche accused his party's chairman of making "fraudulent allegations" against him and that McAuliffe has made "offenses against the intent of our Federal Constitution" in terms of the process of selecting presidential candidates.

LaRouche charged that McAuliffe, who was hand-picked by former President Bill Clinton, had sent a letter to Democratic state party officers attacking him personally and calling him an anti-Semite.

"The letter you have circulated containing these fraudulent personal allegations against me, reflects, as you must know, a malicious action against me led on behalf of the 2000 Gore for President campaign, an action which ironically contributed to Gore's loss of a clear Electoral College victory, had he not stolen my elected delegates' position in the Arkansas primary election of that year," LaRouche alleged.

LaRouche also attacked the direction McAuliffe was taking their party and said that a Democratic defeat in November could lead to a new Nazi-like movement under a Bush/Cheney second term.

"The refusal of all Democratic National Committee approved Presidential pre-candidates, so far, to address either the actual nature of the presently onrushing general world monetary-financial crash, or the need to prepare to react to this perilous development in a manner echoing the measures proposed and launched by Franklin Roosevelt during his 1932 campaign and his Presidency, creates a situation in which fascist-like emergency measures by the current Administration and the most obscene elements infesting the body of the U.S. Congress, could introduce measures akin in spirit to those which the Nazi government of Adolf Hitler introduced on the occasion of Hermann Goering's setting fire to the Reichstag," LaRouche wrote.

He called Tom DeLay, John Ashcroft, and Vice President Cheney "creatures" and described President George W. Bush as being "mentally and morally challenged."

LaRouche offered that he and Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) should be afforded an opportunity to debate the issues in public and ended his letter to McAuliffe by calling him "nuts" if he didn't regard the political landscape the same way LaRouche did.

LaRouche has virtually not stopped running for president of the United States since his first bid in 1976, and earlier in this race he attacked then front-runner Howard Dean saying, "Dean's not worth it, I wouldn't recommend anybody vote for him. Jimmy Dean would be better!"

LaRouche also said Kerry was not qualified to be president of the United States. He said then that his rivals for the party nomination were "incompetent."

During the first debate hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus, LaRouche supporters twice interrupted the proceedings when their candidate was not allowed to take part in the debate.

LaRouche has qualified for federal matching funds and by the end of January had raised over $8 million for his presidential run -- more than fellow candidates Rev. Al Sharpton and Ralph Nader but less than Dennis Kucinich and John Kerry. He had only $57,000 cash on hand by January 31.

By March 31, the Federal Election Commission had certified and distributed $26,350,741.47 in federal funds to the seven qualifying candidates. President Bush, Sen. Kerry, and Dr. Howard Dean had opted out of the federal campaign financing program.

Sharpton was the last of the candidates to qualify for the federal matching program in early March. The maximum amount a candidate can receive is $18.7 million through this program.

Name:	The REAL DEAL
Re:	Another Rich White Lib Pushing A Native American Around

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Daschle Asks Native American Not to Run Against Him

(Talon News) -- The Senate race in South Dakota got more complicated Monday with the entry of a third party candidate. Originally, Tim Giago, a member of the Lakota tribe, planned to challenge Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) for the Democratic nomination, but instead has decided to run as an independent in the November election.

Giago, the publisher of the Lakota Journal, told Talon News that Daschle phoned him following his announcement and asked, "Do you want to be the Ralph Nader of this race?"

Daschle was suggesting that Giago would siphon off enough traditionally Democratic votes to allow Republican challenger John Thune to win.

Daschle's call to Giago doesn't square with a statement Daschle deputy campaign manager Dan Pfeiffer made to Roll Call about the switch.

"When Mr. Giago announced he was going to run in the primary, Senator Daschle said he thought it was a good thing for the state because it would highlight issues important to Native Americans," Pfeiffer told Roll Call. "He still believes that."

Wadhams, Thune's campaign manager, was quoted in the local Sioux Falls newspaper saying the significance of Giago's decision "can't be overstated."

"This is clearly bad news for Tom Daschle," Wadhams said. "Anytime you have an election that appears to be as close as this one -- any development like this is huge."

Giago said he was unconcerned with the effect he will have on the Democratic and Republican candidates, as he sees little difference between them, particularly on issues important to Native Americans. Beside that, Giago thinks he has a real chance of winning. He indicated that he has received quite a bit of interest from outside the Native American community.

Giago points to retiring Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-CO) as an example of a Native American whose candidacy was ridiculed. Campbell was elected as a Democrat in 1992 and later switched parties despite the pleas of Daschle and won reelection as a Republican in 1998.

Giago, a familiar figure in South Dakota, believes that people have learned to trust him, particularly as a result of his efforts to establish the "Year of Reconciliation" in 1990 that sought to ease racial tensions between Native Americans and Whites. He maintains that education is the key to solving the deep divisions that plague the state.

Giago said that in 25 years, Daschle has done little to help Native Americans free themselves from government dependency. Giago urged the creation of a Marshall plan that would bring jobs and improve the infrastructure on the reservations, where unemployment is as high as 60%.

Giago said he will challenge Daschle and Thune to a three-way debate once he secures his place on the ballot.

Name:	Editor
To:	Hafflinger

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I doubt if the very young people have any clear idea of what they are up to, either. Regardless of that, there are plainly sone very bad actors in the Falluja area, and in the greater "Sunni Triangle". We must identify these elements and eliminate them, just as we rooted the Nazis out of Germany. In other words, our forces must pacify the area.

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You are correct. I also liked your historical reference to us having to root out the Nazis in Germany. Sadly, there is a difference now as then, and that is one half of this country is not supporting us because they have not seen the crocodile, or do not understand what the crocodile can do, and Europe is trying to appease the crocodile in the hopes that they will be eaten last.

We are trying to win a war shackled with non-supporters and anti-American groups. After World War II everyone but the Nazis were on our side. Our job is a lot harder this time. There is too much misunderstanding. Too many beholden to their own best interests in opposition to this war, and too many appeasers in this country and everywhere.

Name:	Buzz
To:	Forum

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Do you really want anyone in the White House other than George W. Bush right now? John Kerry? Hillary Clinton? I bet the boy with the sign would much rather see John Kerry in the White House. These animals aren't "freedom fighter" or "insurgents" (as the news has begun to call them) they are animals and murderers. It's time to kill them. It's time to take the fight to them like we never have before. Do you really believe that they won't come here and do this to you, your family, and your

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Those in the Sunni Triangle are the one's that were pro-Sadam and have the most to loose when Iraq goes to Free elections. Most of the Iraqi's support the US. The Sunni's will continue step up the pressure until the elections. We just need to get some Cajones and give them some major hurt so that they will re-think any of their plans for us.

This war is very winnable, if we have what it takes and don't give a rat's ass about "world opinion".

Name:	Ellie
To:	buzz

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Those in the Sunni Triangle are the one's that were pro-Sadam and have the most to loose when Iraq goes to Free elections. Most of the Iraqi's support the US. The Sunni's will continue step up the pressure until the elections. We just need to get some Cajones and give them some major hurt so that they will re-think any of their plans for us.

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They don't possess the strength of anything other than a Squirrel monkey when it comes to warfare.

The US is quite familiar with recent, historical, conflicts and I have the utmost confidence that the will of US servicemen and women (dang it)shall prevail-unless 'Kerry the Frenchmen' gets elected.

Then we will flee like courageous frenchmen seeking shelter in the arms of another 'man'.

Name:	Editor
To:	Buzz

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These animals aren't "freedom fighter" or "insurgents" (as the news has begun to call them) they are animals and murderers. It's time to kill them. It's time to take the fight to them like we never have before. Do you really believe that they won't come here and do this to you, your family, and your This war is very winnable, if we have what it takes and don't give a rat's ass about "world opinion".

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Please give us the names of the stupid media that elevates these animals to "freedom fighter" or "insurgents" -- I think we need to do something about this political correctness idiocy.

I would like to challenge them to tell us exactly what these Falluga-animals must do before the PC media would change the label to murderers and animals.

Name:	Flakey
To:	John Kerry

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My plan to raise gasoline taxes by fifty cents a gallon will lower gasoline prices

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Take your emotion based rhetoric and take a long hike back to Massachusetts.

Name:	Poster
To:	forum

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The Al Franken’s and the DUer’s and Left Wing Liars/Wacko Conspiracy Theorists have taken over the Democrat party. It is amazing to watch

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Liberal radio based on emotion and devoid of any solid logic. They'll hang themselves politically in short order. It will be an absolute commercial failure. They probably won't be on longer than 2 months or so before the "sponsors" pull the plug.

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scared

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does the bible specify the antichrist is a man? just wondering

Name:	Joker
To:	Wooo
Re:	first the AC-130 Vid then the Apache vid Now This

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The IR gun camera's never lie!

Name:	Joker
To:	scared

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does the bible specify the antichrist is a man? just wondering --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wife comes from the Fort Collins area. Used to take me hiking in the mountains at Estes Park (IIRC) when we first met. I think she took pity on me after watching me (born and raised at sea level) killing myself trying to keep up with her in the thin air mountains and finally said "I do" when I was down on one knee gasping for air. That's my story, at least, and I'm sticking to it. :)

Name:	IlsaSheWolf
To:	ET RightWinger

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Please give us the names of the stupid media that elevates these animals to "freedom fighter" or "insurgents" -- I think we need to do something about this political correctness idiocy. I would like to challenge them to tell us exactly what these Falluga-animals must do before the PC media would change the label to murderers and animals.

Why are we there at all? Why don't we tend to our own horrendous domestic problems instead? Why have we lost over 700 Americans in this travesty of a war, and why do we keep bringing our most courageous, vibrant men home from that hellhole missing limbs, penises, eyes, etc.?

The only benificiaries that I am so far able to discern are the Haliburton company and the country of Israel, whose pawn we seem to be.

Name:	Hafflinger
To:	ET

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You are confusing the issue here, I would not be so crazy as to propose we stop the importation of goods from foreign countries. Perhaps it's late in the day and time to opt-out of this debate.

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I have an idea that some selective import reduction could be very beneficial to our economy and our standing in the world. But I still think that the primary problem with the Saudi/Wahabbi tangle is not that we (and others) trade with them, but rather, what they allegedly do with the some of proceeds of that trade. Since WWII, we have traded heavily with the Japanese, to our mutual benefit and to the world's benefit. Of course, the Japanese do sell those damned Toyotas to the Taliban, et al! Maybe we should throw them out of Georgia.

Name:	Dire Wolf
To:	Ilsa SheWolf
Re:	They ain't so bad, really, and most of us are tending to them.

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Why don't we tend to our own horrendous domestic problems instead

Name:	Dr. Allister Moyne
To:	forum

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Let us face the truth and accept the fact that Muslims are evil. They have chosen the path of Cain and worship Lucifer. They are bestial and nothing more than animals. Like all animals they have to modes flight and fight. If they sense weakness they will tear into something like a pack of safari ants. Who first showed weakness to these followers of Lucifer? It was Jimmy Carter. It is he who panicked and himself with the hostages. Do you know he called the Soviets during the failed raid and was giving them detailed reports of everything that was taking place and the soviets were telling the Iranians.

Name:	Skeet The Wonder Horse
To:	LVD

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I would vote for him. What he did on the liberal hate radio show was BIG. Maybe others will follow his example.

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I hope so. Reading this has inflated my opinion of Joe Biden. Franken is an especially active and malignant salient of the cancer that is eating the guts out of the Donkey. For Biden to publicly rebuke Franken is indeed to Biden's credit.

Extremist Democrats will fail in what appears to be a bid on their part ("Air America") to out-hate Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity and that librarian fellow. They are doomed to utter failure because Limbaugh and the other two are NOT HATERS, and they are not even close to being haters, and thus the extremist Democrats at "Air America" can only succeed in demonstrating the fact that they themselves ARE HATERS, just as Franken and others of his ilk are doing.

Name:	Axtell
To:	Dr. Mud
Re:	Muslims loathe the Devil.

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Let us face the truth and accept the fact that Muslims are evil. They have chosen the path of Cain and worship Lucifer. They are bestial and nothing more than animals.

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You are full of it. You sound exactly like a rabid Muslim radical of the very worst sort. You are more evil yourself than 98 % of the Muslims.

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Proud Democrat

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Air America is liberal radio based on emotion, & devoid of any solid logic.

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Well, that description, (radio based on emotion, & devoid of any solid logic) describes EXACTLY what Rush Limbaugh has been doing for 18 years now. The whole show is appeal to the base emotions of teen-age level maturity, like a whole day of pottie jokes. Rush "Giggles" tells only jokes that insult people, uses ignorant descriptions of things, & does a lot of name-calling. This type of humor is childish and appeals only to those stupid enough to WANT to call themselves "Ditto Heads". So-named because they only can "ditto" -- which is to repeat the phrases of dear Rushie, like a demented parrot. Actually parrots are much smarter.

As for commercial success of Air America, if they follow the formula of Rush, to use emotion devoid of any solid logic, then they will last at least 18 yrs, like HE did. He first got very popular, near 1985.

Second reason for Rush's existence was to become a propaganda tool, to KEEP BUSH & REAGAN in office. To do this, they launched an attack on Democrats day & night for the entire years they were on the air. No dissent of his opinions are allowed, callers are carefully screened to be on the Rush radio show. Its format is to be Pro-Republican always, and anti-Democrat & anti-Liberal always. Never any moderate views allowed. A pure propaganda tool, which used to be forbidden by Govt Rules. But Reagan got rid of the Fairness Doctrine (guaranteed equal time to both sides) & he set up NSDD # 77 which allowed Army "psych warfare" guys on the airwaves, to manipulate public opinion, IN FAVOR of Bush & Reagan. This is a violation of our laws, but, HEY, who was paying attention?

Freedom of Speech has essentially been silenced & banned by Reagan/Bush/- systematically little by little. If they were TRUE Americans, do you think they would destroy our Constitution piece by piece? Then add in the Patriot Act, to make Gestapo out of our "Homey" Security guys, & snoop on law abiding good citizens? It is a strange thing to witness, never seen except in Nazi days, & other Fascist regimes. Our founding fathers would be rolling over & doing somersaults in their graves, & trying to climb out to HANG somebody for Treason. I kid you not. Franklin & Jefferson would be buying the rope right now.

So, if the Democrats have had one week of their OWN radio, after more than 18 yrs of suppression & propaganda radio (like Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, & dozens of others), then MORE POWER TO THEM. Hurray AIR AMERICA, God bless you guys. FOR YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH, and the TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE. (Know who said that?) It was Jesus.

Name:	Sad Democrat
To:	Proud Democrat
Re:	Funny other Libs say Air America blows chunks

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http://www.somethingawful.com/index.htm

Name:	Dave Birch
To:	Merci MOO!
Re:	Osmond Family Blood Sacrifice!! Poor Little Spot! O, GOROO!!

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So, if the Democrats have had one week of their OWN radio, after more than 18 yrs of suppression & propaganda radio (like Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, & dozens of others), then MORE POWER TO THEM. Hurray AIR AMERICA, God bless you guys. FOR YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH, and the TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE. (Know who said that?) It was Jesus. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name:

WHY DID KERRY LIE IN 1998?

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Referring to posts, with dates, giving quotes by Kerry as he described Iraq's WMD, & their propensity to cause large amounts of camel dung, & fling it thru the air with such force as it could hit a wandering American sheep-herder.

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With all the weapons we have discovered, Saddam could have easily fought off such enemies as Guam, or Easter Island. BUT WHY DID KERRY SAY SADDAM HAD WEAPONS? (or as YOU say, he LIED). But was it a lie?

NO, Kerry, like all Congressmen, were not OVER IN IRAQ snooping in Saddam's underwear drawer, & climbing into his harem closet, looking for WMD. He had to RELY, like all our Congressmen do, on the so-called "Intelligence" agencies, (an oxymoron) -- to provide us with Quality Info on what is going on over there. And the INTEL was FALSE.

So like most members of Congress who BELIEVED this WMD assessment by the CIA, & FBI, -- the goon squad -- they had believed Saddam needed to be possibly invaded or bombed.

With billions & trillions of dollars (from taxpayers) we got ZILCH intelligence (that was TRUE) about Iraq & its potential to harm us. But we DID have an interview from Saddam's own mouth 26 days before Shock & Awe. In that interview, Saddam said there were NO WMD, & that he had destroyed all his weapons, & that he was not an enemy to the Americans, & that he wanted Peace. He offered to have a debate on satellite TV, visible to all people of the world, with Bush, to explain his side & to have Bush explain his side, & then let the people decide "who was telling Truth".

As it turns out Bush refused to have the Debate, which may have kept us out of War, -- and Saddam HAD told the TRUTH.

Could have saved us a few trillion bucks & 600 US lives. Not to mention thousands of our soldiers mutilated 4 life.

Name:	Fred Birch, John's Brother
To:	Merci MOO!!!
Re:	Cool Meat Pies

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Sean Hannity keeps prisoners in his studios all over the country and makes them smoke Haliburton cigarettes.

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Thousands of slaves are laboring night and day in downtown Salt Lake City to build the towering new Rush Limbaugh temple. They have been at it for eighteen long years. Limbaugh had Hannity pay off the FBI under Hoover and it's been a living hell ever since. All the while, for eighteen long years, the giggling voice of Rush Limbaugh has boomed out over Deseret from huge loudspeakers in the surrounding mountains. There is no escape. General Noriega went down like a house of cards before it. Hassenfuss was caught flying in to Mena and his underwear closely examined. It gave Reagan Owlsheimer's and makes the huge fat schoolchildren eat honeybuns and jelly donuts. They are bursting the tiny classrooms and overturning their counselors like bowling pins, willy nilly! Teacher-Educators flee like maddened Carter-era rabbits before the scourge of Limbaugh's giggles!!

Name:	Legends of the Fall
Re:	Kerry's Pride Goeth Before a Fall

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By Larry Elder Townhall.com | April 2, 2004

Kerry's critics point to his shifting stands on NAFTA, the war in Iraq, the No Child Left Behind Act and the Patriot Act. Kerry detractors expect the public to catch on when Kerry -- a fiscal liberal -- attacks Bush for "fiscal irresponsibility."

But, actually Kerry has a deeper problem -- his lack of likability and the Butchy Cataldo Factor.

Well, Sen. Kerry doesn't know, either. Precisely the problem, according to a window-to-the-soul story in the New Republic.

The people who know Kerry best consider Kerry aloof, imperious and condescending. Even worse, Ke