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First of all, NO documentation exists that shows certain members of "Vets against the Vietnam War" had ever plotted to or attempted to assassinate anybody. Only unsubstantiated rumors perpetuate this myth. The papers only say "national events" were planned, and one "Christmas event" --- and this could refer to anything from a rally or a picket line. The Christmas event probably referred to the Dec 27 take-over of the Statue of Liberty, which I am sure that Kerry would not have approved of.

The only evidence of subversive ideas of assassination of any leaders, is from a couple of FBI spies, who claim they were following Kerry around. They claim to have heard this idea expressed, & to have seen Kerry at the meeting.

However, it is IMPORTANT to recall that the early 70's were the Nixon WaterGate years --- when President Nixon had numerous "dirty tricks" squads on the prowl, to do some very subversive & unAmerican actions against the Democrat Party. Like breaking into Democrat Hdqtrs, bugging phones in that office, hiring whores to seduce Dem officials, & to videotape them, for "blackmail" purposes, & stealing stationery from McGovern's office & send out phoney letters on it, saying things that would discredit McGovern as the Dem candidate for the upcoming election. Rampant election fraud, (does this sound familiar?) Typical Birch subversive activity. All of this is WaterGate history, can be seen in the true history books, & in Judge John Sirica's book --- "Setting the Record Straight".

He was the Judge of the trial for WaterGate, & all the horrible actions done by the CREEP (Committee to Re-Elect the President) & Nixons aides in those years. Tapes exist to confirm most of it, & tons of evidence that put much of Nixon's oval office crew behind bars. Including Gordon Liddy, (now talk show host) but convicted criminal in WaterGate years. Nixon's aides got into FBI files, (against the law) and destroyed many of them, falsified others, & altered parts of them. Just try to imagine the Loss of real historical documents that were kept safely in the FBI for decades, that were permanently made false, distorted, or useless by this senseless act of a few dishonest filthy sick demented Republicans, who would do ANYTHING, to stay in office. The Judge of WaterGate, who wrote this book, was HIMSELF a Republican, who voted for Nixon, & he stated that their actions just made him sick.

So, getting back to Kerry's inability to remember that particular meeting in 1971 or 72. First, maybe they never did discuss (seriously) any idea of assassinating anybody.

Or else one member shot off his mouth, in a moment of anger, but nobody else agreed with him. Either way, NO EVIDENCE of that proposal exists, anywhere, & nobody claims to have heard or seen Kerry at any meeting where this occurred, but for FBI Files.But ,RECALL, that the FBI files have been broken into, by Nixon's aides & CREEP's, and they had deliberately altered, falsified, & destroyed numerous FBI Files. So how do we know that the FBI files in question (on Kerry) were actually "real" FBI files, or some of the false ones? Only Gordon Liddy's hairdresser knows for sure.

I think it is very strange, that more guys claim to remember seeing Kerry at a meeting for one hour, than the entire National Guard can produce to see Bush in an entire year? Kinda weird, isn't it?

Name:	Amubualate, Cognating Tissue-mass
Re:	Bringing forth small appliance, dachshunds, cordless power-brooms, etc.

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The so-called Unborn Victims of Violence Act is ... part of a deceptive anti-choice strategy to make women's bodies mere vessels by creating legal personhood for the fetus," said federation President Gloria Feldt

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A foolish woman, Ms. Feldt, who is in deep denial of reality!

Name:	Vladimir Feldspar
To:	Ms, Feldt, Vessel of Evangelical Self-deception

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"so-called"

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We can PROVE that it is a child, M'lady, if you will have some patience. YOUR child, in fact!

Name:	Gretch
To:	//!!!^^^((+))^^^((+))^^^!!!((
Re:	Easily cut and pasted

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I think it is very strange, that more guys claim to remember seeing Kerry at a meeting for one hour, than the entire National Guard can produce to see Bush in an entire year? Kinda weird, isn't it?

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Not really. Kerry-Kohn was avidly SEEKING and GETTING publicity, and he's damned weird-looking, bsides.

Bush was NOT seeking publicity, and he looked like just another airplane-driver.

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Straight Eye

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Ugly, soul-less Cities

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Bauhaus SUCKS.

Name:	Liberator
Re:	Gotta love 'em!!

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"(This) vote affirms in law what is common sense to more than 80 percent of Americans -- there are two victims in violent crimes committed against pregnant women and their pre-born children. "We applaud those 61 senators who voted in defense of the most innocent victims in our society."

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Clarification

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The so-called Unborn Victims of Violence Act is ... part of a deceptive anti-choice strategy to make women's bodies mere vessels by creating legal personhood for the fetus," said federation President Gloria Feldt Message: A foolish woman, Ms. Feldt, who is in deep denial of reality

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Ms. Felch just wants to make the unborn baby a mere appendage expendable at the whim of the mother.

Name:	Lost Memories
To:	Republicans and their inability to remember

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So, getting back to Kerry's inability to remember that particular meeting in 1971 or 72. First, maybe they never did discuss (seriously) any idea of assassinating anybody.

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Republicans have an curious "inability to remember" when it concerns Bush's "inability to remember" (what he did at the National Guard, but they suddenly get a great ability to remember Kerry's "inability to remember" at particular meeting in 1971.

Our dear self-righteous Republicans are so incapable of self-reflection they never see themselves as others see them. That's what happens to people whose egos have not matured.

Name:	- Clarification
To:	Clarification

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Ms. Felch just wants to make the unborn baby a mere appendage expendable at the whim of the mother.

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And you, dear Clarification, make the mother an expendable whim of your religion.

Your religion is not quite as bad as other religions who force their women to cover themselves in black garments with few privileges, but you belong to the same genre who do not see women as equals. Always trying to make women second class citizens.

You want the men to have their fun but the women to bear the burden. Regardless of what you say it takes two to make a baby. Why is it that you never address the role of males in this "expendable whim" of yours? You don't even think of that, do you?

Name:	Republican
To:	Smug, Immature Ego
Re:	Sling that poo; it's all you've got. You needn't have selected Kerry, but you di

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Our dear self-righteous Republicans are so incapable of self-reflection they never see themselves as others see them. That's what happens to people whose egos have not matured

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Something else you did not mention: The FBI was watching the Johns Forbes Kerry-Kohn pretty closely in those days, and with damned good reason, too. Maybe YOU don't remember the murderous atrocities committed by the Radic-Libs, but I do, and a great many other Americans do as well. Kerry was a high-profile Radic-Lib.

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More Bad News for Democrats

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House Intelligence Committee Chair: Clarke is 'Lying'

The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee is accusing former White House terrorism czar Richard Clarke of flat out "lying" in his sworn testimony this week before the Independent Commission Investigating the Sept. 11 Attacks.

"Clarke’s testimony to our committee is 180 degrees out of line with what he is saying in his book," Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla., told Roll Call yesterday. "He’s either lying in his book or he lied to our committee. It’s one or the other."

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Democrat lies EXPOSED!!!!

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Republicans have an curious "inability to remember" when it concerns Bush's "inability to remember" (what he did at the National Guard, but they suddenly get a great ability to remember Kerry's "inability to remember" at particular meeting in 1971.

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LIE!!!!!!

Bush has never claimed to "not remember" what happened when he was in the National Guard.

FACT: First Kerry lied. Now he is claiming he does not remember.

Name:	Eau Claire
To:	Mud Geyser
Re:	In nature and in religion, women are placed above men.

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Your religion is not quite as bad as other religions who force their women to cover themselves in black garments with few privileges, but you belong to the same genre who do not see women as equals. Always trying to make women second class citizens

NONSENSE! FALSE!

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You want to deny the very essence of Womanhood. You equate conceiving and carrying a human child with acquiring a wart.

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The American People

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And you, dear Clarification, make the mother an expendable whim of your religion.

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What a STUPID STATEMENT. Defending pre-born children does not make the mother "expendable". Think for once. If you killed the mother you would also kill the pre-born child.

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The American People

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You want to deny the very essence of Womanhood. You equate conceiving and carrying a human child with acquiring a wart.

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Sounds like there are some liberal women that really wish they were men.

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!@#

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Clarke's contradictions

Washington Time, 3/26/04

In hawking his book and testifying before the commission investigating the September 11 attacks, former counterterrorism boss Richard Clarke testified that the Bush administration largely ignored the threat from al Qaeda prior to the attacks. Under softball questioning from a Democratic member of the September 11 panel, former Rep. Tim Roemer, Mr. Clarke asserted that there was "no higher" priority than fighting terrorism under former President Clinton, but that the Bush administration "either didn't believe me that there was an urgent problem or was unprepared to act as though there were an urgent problem."
    But Mr. Clarke's assertions are contradicted by his own words. National Review editor Rich Lowry, for example, points out that, in his book, Mr. Clarke writes that forcing through a Middle East peace agreement was a higher priority for Mr. Clinton than retaliating for al Qaeda's attack on the USS Cole.
    Moreover, in a Sept. 15, 2001, e-mail to National SecurityAdvisorCondoleezza Rice, Mr. Clarke outlined some of the major steps taken by the Bush administration in the summer of 2001 to put the nation on a higher alert footing in an effort to prevent a possible attack.
    Mr. Clarke noted, for example, that on July 5, 2001, representatives of federal law enforcement agencies — including the FBI, the Secret Service, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Customs Service, the Coast Guard and the Immigration and Naturalization Service — were summoned to a meeting at which they were warned of a possible al Qaeda attack. "Thus, the White House did ensure that domestic law enforcement (including FAA) knew" of the possibility "that a major al Qaeda attack was coming and it could be in the U.S. ... and did ask that special measures be taken," Mr. Clarke observed in his e-mail to Miss Rice.
    More damning to Mr. Clarke's credibility, in an August 2002 briefing for journalists, reported Wednesday by Fox News, he explained in greater detail all the steps that the Bush administration took prior to September 11 to deal with the growing threat from al Qaeda (see facing page).
    Just days after coming into office on Jan. 20, 2001, the Bush administration decided to "vigorously pursue" the Clinton policy of taking covert action, which could include killing Osama bin Laden. In the spring of 2001, Mr. Clarke noted in that briefing, the new administration decided "to add to the existing Clinton strategy" by increasing five-fold CIA resources for covert action against al Qaeda. At that same briefing, Mr. Clarke also forcefully rebutted the assertion that the Bush administration's approach to the problem was motivated by a general animus toward the Clinton administration. "This is the one issue where the National Security Council leadership decided continuity was important and kept the same guy around, the same team in place," Mr. Clarke said. "That doesn't sound like animus against the previous team to me."
     Mr. Clarke said that from Oct. 1998 until Dec. 2000, the National Security Council in the Clinton administration failed to make any new recommendations on how to deal with the burgeoning al Qaeda threat. By contrast, in the summer of 2001, Mr. Clarke said, the Bush administration changed U.S. policy from the "rollback of al Qaeda over the course of five years" to its elimination. All of these points, however, are ignored or glossed over in his new book — which depicts the administration as laggards in dealing with the al Qaeda terrorist threat.
    The emerging picture of Clarke is one of a political chameleon and an impetuous man who is starved for attention after years of toiling anonymously in government bureaucracies. He points to his service in Republican administrations, and says he was a registered Republican in 2000 (credentials that make it easier to peddle a book bashing a Republican president). But a survey by Insight magazine, a sister publication of the Washington Times, found that his only political contributions in the last decade went to Democrats. T. Irene Sanders, executive director of a research group called the Washington Center for Complexity and Public Policy, described an odd encounter with Mr. Clarke several months ago, after he spoke at a luncheon on cyberspace security (see adjacent letter to the editor,). When she asked him a technical question he could not answer, he responded that they should write a book together, boasting that his publisher, Free Press, does a good job of obtaining publicity for authors.
    But Mr. Clarke's enormous capacity for self-promotion and taking liberties with the facts may be catching up with him. Time magazine's online edition yesterday published a blistering review of his book and his endless television appearances. Mr. Clarke, the magazine concluded, has become so shrill in disparaging President Bush that he "undermines a serious conversation about 9/11." Time also criticized "the polemical, partisan mean-spiritedness that lies at the heart of Clarke's book, and to an even greater degree, his television appearances flacking it." We wholeheartedly agree.

Name:	We Wuz There, Maam.
To:	Air Brushier
Re:	The Johns Forbes Kerry-Kohn

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The FBI was watching the Johns Forbes Kerry-Kohn pretty closely in those days

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The FBI keeps RECORDS. So do news organizations. A surprising amount of archival material is in private hands, also. There is still a vast reservoir of vivid LIVING MEMORY of the turbulent and contentious early 1970's.

Name:	Clarification
To:	Negative
Re:	HRC Forum promotes kneejerk systemic prejudice against religion

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And you, dear Clarification, make the mother an expendable whim of your religion.

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And you veer off wildly from prsumptions that were mistaken to start with. You assume that this my cfoncern is just a matter of following religious dictates even though I did not mention anything related to religion.

And you also mistakenly assert that I never, nor do any other abortion critics, consider the role of the male in abstinent and contraceptive duties to help prevcent unwanted preganacies. That is not true. I have repeatedly upheld that responsibility as have many others on this forum.

But, getting back to you attempted smears against religion, please for your own sake disabuse yourself for your own sake of youir vanity that my Christian religion and Presbyterian church is disrespectful of women because it is anything but disrespectful of women.

Name:	Scroll Mouse
To:	Clinton Kool-Aide Drinkers & Omarosa
Re:	Another amazing display of shamelessness from the most ethical administration in

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"....“They love power. They know how to get it and they know how to keep it,” Clinton said...."

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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Name:	Old Mose
To:	The American People
Re:	The Payoff

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Sounds like there are some liberal women that really wish they were men.

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When they get past about 75, and wind up with hubby all neatly filed away and holding all the goodies themselves , they will thank their lucky stars they aren't!

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Democrat lies EXPOSED!!!!!

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Took a 300 Billion Dollar US Govt. surplus and turned it into 520 Billion defict

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There was NEVER EVER EVER a surplus. Bill Clinton lied.

There was never a 1 dollar surplus. Each year of Bill Clinton's presidency, Bill Clinton added billions and billions to the National Debt. In the end Bill Clinton added about the same amount to the National Debt as was added in the Reagan years yet Reagan had to deal with the horrible Carter economy and the Cold War. What is Bill Clinton's excuse.

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Democrat lies EXPOSED!!!

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Let the Dollar fall faster than any other President since Herbert Hoover

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LIE!!!!!!

That statement is simply not true.

Remember, Democrats lie

Name:	Jib Stay
To:	Moonwalkers
Re:	A Rat Named Clarcke

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Time magazine's online edition yesterday published a blistering review of his book and his endless television appearances. Mr. Clarke, the magazine concluded, has become so shrill in disparaging President Bush that he "undermines a serious conversation about 9/11." Time also criticized "the polemical, partisan mean-spiritedness that lies at the heart of Clarke's book, and to an even greater degree, his television appearances flacking it." We wholeheartedly agree.

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Time magazine is no friend of the Bush Administration, either!

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PARIS (Reuters) - The French Government announced today that in light of the Madrid bombing, France has raised it's terror alert level from "run" to "hide." The only two higher levels in France are "surrender" and "collaborate."

Name:	The Democrat Donkey
To:	Anyone!

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Help!

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This guy McAuliffe is KILLING ME!!

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The American People

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BushI: Total=3.4 million; Private Sector=2 million Clinton: Total=23 million; Private Sector=21 million Bush: Total=almost 2 million lost; Private Sector=2.6 million lost BushI: Total=3.4 million; Private Sector=2 million Clinton: Total=23 million; Private Sector=21 million Bush: Total=almost 2 million lost; Private Sector=2.6 million lost

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SOURCE PLEASE!!!!!!

Your rectum is not a valid source

Are Democrats planning to do anything other than lying?

Name:	Roach Coach
To:	Dying Donkey

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TOO BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More healthy food for Mr. McAuliffe toot-sweet!

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual

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down, down, down. Under Bush, the deficit has gone up, up, up.

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The Unemployment was WORSE in Bill Clinton's first term than it has been in President Bush's first term.

SPINdividual wants to compare Bill Clinton's second term. We will have to wait about 4-5 years before we can compare President Bush's second term to Bill Clintons.

FACT: Unemployment was WORSE in Bill Clinton first term than President Bush's first term yet the lying Democrats had the nerve to run Bill Clinton for reelection based on a "good" economy.

Remember, Democrats lie.

Name:	Full Measure
Re:	Clinton/Gore Ham'n'Yucks Boffo In the Catskills

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FACT: Unemployment was WORSE in Bill Clinton first term than President Bush's first term yet the lying Democrats had the nerve to run Bill Clinton for reelection based on a "good" economy.

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As a generally pretty loyal Republican, I must caution yo against pressing what seems to be a weak point here. The fact was that we had a the makings of a pretty good economy by '96. These individual indicators only tell a part of the story. Basically, the economy was on the way up and that is a good part of why Dole/Kemp had such tough going even though most of the issues really were on their side. Theirs was a cautious message while Camp Clinton could get aay with the 'lets sing in the sunshine' schtick.

Name:	Recovered Apache Devotee
To:	Old Mose,part Kiowa?
Re:	West Texas

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That john Huston movie you were in is pretty darn a good one. Kinda mean to the Comaanch' but then the Comanch' were kinda mean themselves, but they had their good side too, more fun than those generic Apaches.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual

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During Clinton's tenure, the unemployment rate dropped from 7.3% to 3.8%. That is monumental. And as I have said before, a miracle. That is a drop of 3.5% over eight years--a drop of almost 50%. During Bush's tenure, so far, unemployment has risen from 4.1% to 5.6%. That is a rise of 1.5% or a rise of 37%. Facts are facts.

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Distortions are Distortions

FACT: Under Clinton unemployment went from a high of 7.3 to a low 3.8%. That is a 3.5 point change.

FACT: Under Reagan unemployment went from high of 10.8% to a low 5.7%. That is a 5.1 point change!!! Far better than Bill Clinton's "miracle"

FACT: Bill Clinton inherited the Reagan/Bush Recovery (that became the longest recovery in history). About three years into the recovery, the unemployment rate starting going down.

FACT: President Bush inherited the Clinton/Gore Recession. About three years into the Bush Recovery the unemployment rate has started going down.

FACT: There was no “Clinton Miracle”, just simple economics. Bill Clinton had sex with employees while the Reagan/Bush recovery chugged on.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual

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During Clinton's tenure, the unemployment rate dropped from 7.3% to 3.8%. That is monumental. And as I have said before, a miracle. That is a drop of 3.5% over eight years

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You can’t get anything right. Maybe you should stick to monitoring the mean unemployment rate.

Actually it was 3.5 POINT drop over 7 years and 3 months which is about 47% change over 7 years 3 months.

With Reagan it was a 5.1 POINT drop over 5 years which is about a 47% change over 5 years

Reagan’s record on unemployment is better than Clintons.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual
Re:	Democrat distortions

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During Clinton's tenure, the unemployment rate dropped from 7.3% to 3.8%. That is monumental. And as I have said before, a miracle. That is a drop of 3.5% over eight years

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FACT: Reagan left office with unemployment at the lowest of his presidency. Reagan left office with the unemployment rate going down.

FACT: Clinton left office with the unemployment rate increasing. Unemployment hit the low of 3.8% in April of 2000 but rocketed up to 4.2% when Clinton left office. That is a .4 point change upward in 8 months or a 11% INCREASE in 8 months. Bill Clinton left office with the unemployment rate going UP UP UP! (not to mention the economy nose-diving in recession)

FACT: The last THREE economic recoveries began while Republicans were president. The last recovery that began under a Democrat happened in the 1960's.

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Individual

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FACT: Under Reagan unemployment went from high of 10.8% to a low 5.7%. That is a 5.1 point change!!! Far better than Bill Clinton's "miracle"

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Both dropped about 47%. The miracles with Clinton are that (1) under Clinton, we had declining deficits which ended up in a surplus while under Reagan, we had record deficits (2) under Clinton, the unemployment rate averaged in the 4% area for four years while under Reagan, unemployment never averaged below 5%. No contest. Clinton was a miracle. Reagan was a big spender with your money.

Name:	Tiffany Crystal
To:	forum
Re:	High prices on milk/eggs reveal kid-hating?

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(This) vote affirms in law what is common sense to more than 80 percent of Americans -- there are two victims in violent crimes committed against pregnant women and their pre-born children. "We applaud those 61 senators who voted in defense of the most innocent victims in our society."

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But the vote says that 39 want women to have life or death control over the fetus. Wouldn't it be great if women with unwanted babies could get a free vacation, job, and give the child away to a loving, caring family to raise instead of "bumping off" the kid. Perhaps local churches could help these women "get away" and keep a clear conscience. Countless women and girls carry guilt for the rest of their lives because they got rid of their pregnancy. If it could be a long "vacation" with or without a job or school, how many would "spare the time" to let a child enter the world instead of killing it.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	Full Measure (Troll)

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As a generally pretty loyal Republican, I must caution yo against pressing what seems to be a weak point here. The fact was that we had a the makings of a pretty good economy by '96. These individual indicators only tell a part of the story. Basically, the economy was on the way up and that is a good part of why Dole/Kemp had such tough going even though most of the issues really were on their side. Theirs was a cautious message while Camp Clinton could get aay with the 'lets sing in the sunshine' schtick.

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Try to keep up.

Individual was trying to claim umemployment rate = economic condition.

I was using Individuals terms.

2004 has the makings of a pretty good economy AND the unemployment situation is better than in 1996.

Name:	Individual
Re:	lest we forget about the Bush duo

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The Bush duo really suck as far as unemployment and deficits go, and especially Dubya. Why can't republicans do the right thing? Clinton showed the way: The U.S. can have a booming economy, very low unemployment, and declining deficits all at the same time.

Name:	SUV
To:	George W. Bush its about time

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If i can criticize i can tell you good things about Bush too

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Today the President gave a great speech, none of this attack ads against Kerry. He mentioned out sourcng the first time and he mentioned lower health costs for small businesses, very interesting. This is the kind of political activity Im for. Be positive and tell us your ideas and plans to make our country better and more productive.

Name:

Individual

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Individual was trying to claim umemployment rate = economic condition.

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Right wing extremist liar. Clinton showed the way: The U.S. can have a booming economy and stock market, very low unemployment, and declining deficits all at the same time.

If you are going to lie, make it a good lie and not so transparent.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual

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Both dropped about 47%

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FACT: Clinton's 47% drop was over 7 years and 3 months

FACT: Unemployment under Clinton was going UP UP UP when he left office.

FACT: Reagan's 47% drop was over 5 years Reagan's record is about 31% better than Clintons.

FACT: Reagan left office with the unemployment rate doing down.

Name:

Individual

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Be positive and tell us your ideas and plans to make our country better and more productive.

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Hear, Hear. Each party should lay out their programs. The programs should be stated clearly so that the people understand each program and the differences. Then, the candidates should debate these differences. Once the people understand the programs of each party and the differences, they can make up their minds. All of the name calling, etc. should cease, forthwith.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual

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Right wing extremist liar. Clinton showed the way: The U.S. can have a booming economy and stock market, very low unemployment, and declining deficits all at the same time.

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FACT: Bill Clinton left office with the Stock Market going DOWN!

FACT: Bill Clinton left office with the deficit going UP!

FACT: Bill Clinton left office with the unemployment rate going UP!

Name:	The Latest
To:	forum
Re:	Simon was not "shooting the bird" afetr all.

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Clinton , who lives 4 miles from the DNC Convention, insisted on a ritzy hotel room, possibly with a "comfort" woman. Kerry complains of Bush following him around, building a warchest. Bush picked up a cool million dollars at a fund raiser in Massachusettes.

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Bookies will be betting on Kerry's longivity should he be elected with Hillary as VP. Personally about 8 days to 6 months of VP-ing would would stimulate impatience much like that proverbial Buzzard's "Patience, hell, I'm going to ....something!"

Name:

Individual

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FACT: Unemployment under Clinton was going UP UP UP when he left office.

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Right wing extremist liar. The last year of Clinton's administration, the unemployment rate ranged from 3.8% to 4.1%--a fluctuation of only .3%. It was up and down, up and down for the year. When Clinton left office, the rate was 4.1%.

The thing that is so miraculous is that under Clinton, the rate over the last year of his administration averaged 4.0%--unbelievably low. And the average rate for four years in a row was in the 4% range. Unbelievable. A miracle.

Name:

SUV

In response to:
MORE BAD NEWS FOR democtats

3/25/04

DOW +170

NASDAQ+58

Message:
3/26

BAD NEWS FOR Republicans

DOW - 11.56

NASDAQ+1.24

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual
Re:	The Democrat distortions just keep coming

In response to:
Both dropped about 47%. The miracles with Clinton are that (1) under Clinton, we had declining deficits which ended up in a surplus while under Reagan, we had record deficits (2) under Clinton, the unemployment rate averaged in the 4% area for four years while under Reagan, unemployment never averaged below 5%. No contest. Clinton was a miracle. Reagan was a big spender with your money.

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FACT: The average unemployment rate during the Clinton presidency was 5.2%

FACT: 5.2% is not below 5%

FACT: The average unemployment rate during the Clinton presidency is .4 points different from the current unemployment rate.

Name:

SUV

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FACT: Bill Clinton left office with the Stock Market going DOWN! FACT: Bill Clinton left office with the deficit going UP! FACT: Bill Clinton left office with the unemployment rate going UP!

Message:
More Bull Bush has lost 2.6 Million jobs under his watch, While Clinton gained 23 Million Jobs under his administration and that my friends is the bottom line and any other figures or statistics do not count.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

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3/26 BAD NEWS FOR Republicans DOW - 11.56 NASDAQ+1.24

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SUV is a moron.

3/26/04 1:20PM

DOW +28

S&P +4

NASDAQ +5

FACTS for math challenged SUV: The DOW would have to lose 171 points to negate yesterday’s gains.

Name:

SUV

Message:
Gosh is that hard to compute its not statistics that count its the number of people hired that counts and Bush has failed so miserably here.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
More Bull Bush has lost 2.6 Million jobs under his watch

Message:
SOURCE PLEASE!!!!

If you wish to challenge my numbers here is a Source

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
Gosh is that hard to compute its not statistics that count its the number of people hired that counts and Bush has failed so miserably here.

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SOURCE PLEASE!!!!!!

(moron)

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
While Clinton gained 23 Million Jobs under his administration and that my friends is the bottom line and any other figures or statistics do not count.

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TRANSLATION: Disregard the facts and believe my BS rhetoric.

Name:

SUV

In response to:
LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE

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My point, one day gains or losses do not matter. its the end of each week or the quarter or end of the year that really counts and individually one day's figures are too small to be considered

Name:	SUV
To:	The Cold Hard Facts

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YOU ARE SO STUBBORN TO CONCEDE DEFEAT

Name:	Right Wing Pirahna #3
To:	Individual

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Why did Clinton change the way unemployment data was calculated?

8^)

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SPINdividual

In response to:
Right wing extremist liar. The last year of Clinton's administration, the unemployment rate ranged from 3.8% to 4.1%--a fluctuation of only .3%. It was up and down, up and down for the year. When Clinton left office, the rate was 4.1%.

Message:

The Cold Hard Facts

Unemployment Rate April 2000: 3.8%

Unemployment Rate Januaray 2001: 4.2

Uemployment was going UP UP UP when Bill Clinton left office.

Source

Once again, Individual is the proven liar.

Name:

SUV

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SOURCE WAS GIVEN AS Bureau on Labor and Statistics okay now get lost fruitcake with your hard nosed stubborn facts you are almost as bad as Bordertex

Name:

SUV

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Once again, Individual is the proven liar.

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Who says that: SOURCE or is that your stupid opinion that accounts for nothing at all but hot air

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
SOURCE WAS GIVEN AS Bureau on Labor and Statistics okay now get lost fruitcake with your hard nosed stubborn facts you are almost as bad as Bordertex

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I have been to the U.S. Department of Labor: Bureau of Labor Statistics web site and it contains no such data. Unless you can provide a link, you are a liar.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
Who says that: SOURCE or is that your stupid opinion that accounts for nothing at all but hot air

Message:
Click on the source and find out (moron)

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
YOU ARE SO STUBBORN TO CONCEDE DEFEAT

Message:
I will concede defeat if I am defeated. So far I have been bitch-slapping you and SPINdividual for days.

The best you can do is say "disregard the facts and believe my BS"

Name:

SUV

Message:
Cold Hard Facts are you kidding you are a bully and a good JBS Republican. YOUR man Bush is a wimp when it comes to creating Jobs in the American Workplace regardless how many good speach writers write beautiful flowery speaches.

Name:

SUV

Message:
You sound like LVD are you?

Name:	Roscoe
Re:	no thanks to pimps like mcauliffe and pimpettes like hill'n'bill

In response to:
FACT: The average unemployment rate during the Clinton presidency is .4 points different from the current unemployment rate.

Message:
And what about the mix of good and not so good paying jobs???due to globalization and immigratio, the types of jobs available may be different now. During Clinton's "Me" decade, the US sector took the gold rush approach and pricd itself nearly out of business.

Corporate consolidation and big box retailing lifted the markets and lowered the rank'n'file salary payouts (while increasing ridicuous compensation to top exceutives; incidentally not all of american management supported the latter but such naysayers were usually exiled from compensation committees).

Bill and Hill's reign of greed also coincided with capital flight from concentional industries thus increasingv pressure for those companies manufacturing these days in China.

Ya can't blame a it all on them because neocon hoodoo chanters like Dr. Wally Williams, the NR gang, and their disciples here spared no sarcasm and abuse for any cobservers of the emium's buttugly nekkid butt. And, heaven forbid that we actually get tough with non WTO compliant trade partners. When Bush tried that and is trying it now, boy howdy, the neocons and progs alike go all wailing wall, hair shirt and all.

THe unemplyment is a biiger animal than the republicans and demkmies put together. few here are willing to tell the whole story. I'll ay this tho, Bush's willngness to do tax cutting, to kep the vital rsources inthe public sector outside of Big Govt.'s reducing valves is the best srategy for long term jog growth: it doesn't happen overnight, but if left inplace, it is still the best bet to ensure the dynamic vitalioty and flexibility essential for sustained healthy employment rates.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
My point, one day gains or losses do not matter. its the end of each week or the quarter or end of the year that really counts and individually one day's figures are too small to be considered

Message:
Ah yes, you mean like this:

(I am almost starting to feel sorry for you. Almost.)

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
You sound like LVD are you?

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And you sound like a moron that does not have the facts on your side but that does not stop you from spewing forth.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
Cold Hard Facts are you kidding you are a bully and a good JBS Republican. YOUR man Bush is a wimp when it comes to creating Jobs in the American Workplace regardless how many good speach writers write beautiful flowery speaches.

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I am the big mean ole bully that keeps presenting the facts that ruin your lies.

Name:	H Rap Brown
To:	littl sandie
Re:	talkin' liberal puke blues

In response to:
many good speach writers write beautiful flowery speaches.

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that so beautifully describes that speachy wm.j. clintov and his kgb minder, the similarly speachy hillie.

Name:

NCAA

In response to:
but you belong to the same genre who do not see women as equals.

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How come they play basketball like girls when they are equals?

Name:

John Larch Society

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Kerry complains of Bush following him around, building a warchest

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Kerry is going to be the Demmies version of Dole 96.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	Roscoe

In response to:
And what about the mix of good and not so good paying jobs???

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Source?

During Clinton's "Me" decade, the US sector took the gold rush approach and pricd itself nearly out of business.

Source? (BTW: the Me Decade was the 1970's, culturally speaking)

BTW: I make more now than I did in the Clinton years, how about you?

Ya can't blame a it all on them

I don't. I am just countering SUV and SPINdividual dishonest rhetoric.

Name:	Right-wing extremist
To:	John Larch Society
Re:	zanzibarbara ann

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Kerry is going to be the Demmies version of Dole 96.

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Just so.....and who is going to play Jack Kemp? (Kemp, bythe way was fine candidate, a treat to hear live, and a still underrated resource for the GOP, IMHO)

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

In response to:
Gosh is that hard to compute its not statistics that count its the number of people hired that counts and Bush has failed so miserably here.

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MORON! The statistics reflect the number of people that don't have jobs. If you would like to present data that counters my data, to quote President Bush: "Bring it on"

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!

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Clinton’s speech was folksy, anecdotal, full of scornful gibes at the Republicans, and rhythmic with the cadences of a Southern preacher — in other words, it was vintage Clinton. The speech was structured by the repetition of the phrase “and John Kerry said, ‘send me.’

I heard some of that Speech. Right-wing commontators have been puking their guts out with laughters all day.

Clinton makes fun of rich-kids who got their trust funds too early, but fails to realize that Gore and Kerry are trust-fund brats.

Gore points out that no one on the podium supported Kerry, including Gore, Clinton, Carter and Terry McAuliffe.

No one remembers anything Kerry said.

Carter blathers incoherent.

Name:	Smedley
To:	Cold Hard Facts

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Once again, Individual is the proven liar.

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I'd congradulate you on this, but proving spIndividual a liar is just too easy. When you successfully shoot a few fish in a barrel, I'll give you a few cyber-pats on the back.

People like SUV, spIndividual, LoP et al are so blinded by their hate that they'll believe anything their DU masters feed them without question.

Name:	x
Re:	vas dis 'btw"??

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I make more now than I did in the Clinton years, how about you?

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Much better now; part of that is the state is douing better having had 8 years of GOP governance.

""BTW: the Me Decade was the 1970's, culturally speakin"" Believe that cliche if you want, old boy. Actually, it was the 90s, tha they tried to tag as the "Me" time & I always thoughtthings got considerably more self-centered in the 90s...the tone of commercials, telvision, commentary et al. At any rate, it is just a cliche and hardly to be respected as any kind of definitive orthodoxy. Actually you have a duty - i say! - to disrespect the cliuches and if use the cliches you lose so much credibility, a fact way lost on the propaganda cadets at HRC Forum central!!

Here is another non cliched but eminently discussable (sic!)

Name:	Smedley
To:	Cold Hard Facts
Re:	SUV

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3/26 BAD NEWS FOR Republicans DOW - 11.56 NASDAQ+1.24

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FYI, a DJIA fall of 12 points for any given day is nothing. Regardless:

And MORE BAD NEWS for SUV -- this weeks DJIA.

And STILL MORE BAD NEWS for SUV -- this weeks DJIA.

Name:

Smedley

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And STILL MORE BAD NEWS for SUV -- this weeks NASDAQ:

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SUV

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Cold Hard Facts are you kidding you are a bully and a good JBS Republican. YOUR man Bush is a wimp when it comes to creating Jobs in the American Workplace regardless how many good speach writers write beautiful flowery speaches.

Message:

The Cold Hard Facts

Jobs are measured by the unemployment rate.

No flowery speeches, just cold hard facts.

Unemployment rate of Bill Clinton's first term: 6.0%

Unemployment rate of President Bush's first term: 5.4%

Any questions?

Name:

Democrats in Free-Fall

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Saddam's Bush (the elder) doormat

The DNC's imitation of Saddam's doormat.

what a bunch of nasty losers...

Name:

Democrats in Free-Fall

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GOP Moves to Declassify Clarke Testimony

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON - Top Republicans in Congress sought Friday to declassify two-year-old testimony by former White House aide Richard Clarke, suggesting he may have lied this week when he faulted President Bush's handling of the war on terror.

"Mr. Clarke has told two entirely different stories under oath," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said in a speech on the Senate floor.

Source

Name:

DNC BOOT CAMP

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Clinton’s speech was folksy, anecdotal, full of scornful gibes at the Republicans, and rhythmic with the cadences of a Southern preacher — in other words, it was vintage Clinton. The speech was structured by the repetition of the phrase “and John Kerry said, ‘send me.’

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And they like all leftists will lie thru their teeth to achieve their goal.

Name:	SharkBoat
To:	Nurse SHark

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Actually, it was the 90s, that they tried to tag as the "Me" time

Message:
my apologies, what i meant to type was "Actually, it was the 80s, that they tried to tag as the "Me" time" . Anyway, I always thought the seventgies amounted to two seperate decades, first:leftover sixties, second arm up for the 80s. That may just be revisionist wisdom tho. Hey ,the sictie were really three decades, right?? THe Eighties tho wee mainly the 80s all the way through, started to change a little in late 88 maybe but not much. The 90s was really 92 to 98.

Name:	GOP CPO
Re:	bear in mind that there r quite quite a few innocent friendly leftists

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they like all leftists will lie

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You stupid pansy dung heap!! if you can't distinguish betwwen the treesand your target youll shoot down the whole forest. pansyass little neocon paint ball warriors, sheesh....

Name:	Neo Diluvian
Re:	yaahh yu rite

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Beatles top Rolling Stone music immortals NEW YORK, March 26 (UPI) -- The Beatles have ranked tops in Rolling Stone magazine's list of immortal musicians, a compilation voted on by music's most popular stars. "They arrived sounding like nothing else," rocker Elvis Costello wrote in his Fab Four tribute published in the current Rolling Stone. "Every record was a shock," he also said. Editors at Rolling Stone asked 55 musicians, critics, music historians and industry executives to name the most important musicians in the first 50 years of rock and roll. Of the 125 submitted names, a list of 20 garnered the most votes. After the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, Little Richard, Aretha Franklin and Ray Charles made up the Top 10. U2's Bono described the third-ranking Presley as the "blueprint for rock 'n' roll." Little Richard, who placed eighth, got a boost by voting for himself. "I don't think I ever got what I really deserved," he said. Copyright 2004 by United Press International. All rights reserved.

Name:	Dubrovnic
Re:	ulltrahatefreak individual exemplifies worst characteristics of the classic le

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they like all leftists will lie Message: You stupid pansy dung heap!! if you can't distinguish betwwen the trees and your target youll shoot down the whole forest. pansyass little neocon paint ball warriors, sheesh....

Message:
Eaxactly, a comment like "All leftists will lie" is is inm ytesme lague as tha arch-bigot hate artist here that calls herself "Individual". This spseudo-individualist shills for collectivism and utters the grossest generalizations.

Name:	Dog Bite ID
To:	forum

Message:
Here is the first article, published a year ago at the height of the Second Gulf War. Compare it to the second, published today (below).

http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/special_reports/iraq/story/849854p-5960192c.html

Soldiers liberate George H.W. Bush doormat

By CHRIS TOMLINSON, Associated Press Last Updated 9:17 p.m. PDT Saturday, April 12, 2003

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - There was a bit of unfinished business left over in Baghdad from the 1991 Gulf War. The U.S. Army has taken care of it. At the Al-Rashid Hotel, President Bush the elder - father of the current American chief executive who ordered this year's invasion of Iraq - is a doormat no more.

U.S. soldiers visited the battered Al-Rashid on Thursday night wielding hammers and chisels, and dug out the intricate tile mosaic of the former president that was used for years as a state-sponsored insult. In its place, they laid a portrait of Saddam Hussein.

"Everybody walked over it and wiped their feet on it," Lt. Col. Rick Schwartz, the battalion commander said. He left the Saddam portrait behind, on the ground for future use.

Taking shoes to the face is not exactly a compliment in any culture, but in the Arab world it's a particular slam. Pointing the soles of one's feet at someone is a grave insult.

So the notion of thousands of Iraqi feet trudging over the patrician features of George Herbert Walker Bush was particularly appealing to Saddam's regime, humiliated by Bush during the 1991 Gulf War to free Kuwait from Iraqi invaders. Saddam personally picked the Al-Rashid for the insult to Bush senior. The hotel was heavily trafficked by foreign guests and the base of operations for journalists during the 1991 war - and the place where, on the night of the first American air strike in January 1991, Arab guests huddled in the basement and shouted "Death to Bush."

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And here is the second article. Notice the similar item?

One wonders how many other similarities there are.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-03-25-dems-usat_x.htm

Dem leaders gather in D.C. to embrace Kerry

By Jim Drinkard, USA TODAY

Posted 3/25/2004 11:28 PM Updated 3/26/2004 4:07 AM

WASHINGTON — The Democratic Party came together to embrace its presidential standard-bearer on Thursday, aligning its diverse constituencies and past luminaries behind John Kerry's candidacy.

John Kerry is surrounded by, from left, Joe Lieberman, Al Gore, John Edwards, former President Bill Clinton and former President Jimmy Carter. Former presidents Clinton and Carter, 2000 nominee Al Gore and nearly all of Kerry's primary rivals linked hands at a sold-out dinner to energize core supporters and raise more than $11 million for the campaign against President Bush. Only Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, the only other primary candidate still running, was not invited.

Kerry rallied the crowd with jibes at Bush. (

The party also formally opened a renovated, technology-packed $30 million headquarters that House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi called "the temple" for political training, fundraising and the crafting of positions and strategy. The building features television and radio studios, expanded office space and a massive new 170-million-name computer database named "Demzilla."

*** Entering McAuliffe's new corner office, which is equipped as a TV studio, *** visitors walk over a doormat bearing a likeness of President Bush and the *** words, "Give Bush the Boot."

Name:	Democrat Donkey
To:	Anyone!!
Re:	Help!! This thing is eating me alive!!

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Entering McAuliffe's new corner office, which is equipped as a TV studio, *** visitors

Message:
Can't somebody get this creeping malignancy off my back??!!

Name:	Calling
To:	A Spade
Re:	A Spade

In response to:
Nancy Pelosi

Message:
Congressmember Nancy Pelosi is a dedicated American Communist.

Name:	Druid Smythe-Jones
To:	Cornholed Agency Fruitcake

Message:
Bush Entering got this off my back??!! WE walk over the spy stooges because they are pawns like the guards just following orders at Calais -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- McAu spliffel's new corner malignancy office, which TV somebody is equipped as a studio, *** visitors vs. a creeping doormat bearing a likeness and the *** words, " the Boot Gives em the creep."

Name:	WorldVu
Re:	Sheryl Crow would be a much more fun world dictator weathergirl

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Congressmember Nancy Pelosi is a dedicated American Communist

Message:
They don' want her. She is a merely cupcake socialist wannabe rejected from the World Aquarium.

Name:	The Cold Hard Facts
To:	SharkBoat

In response to:
my apologies, what i meant to type was "Actually, it was the 80s, that they tried to tag as the "Me" time" . Anyway, I always thought the seventgies amounted to two seperate decades, first:leftover sixties, second arm up for the 80s. That may just be revisionist wisdom tho. Hey ,the sictie were really three decades, right?? THe Eighties tho wee mainly the 80s all the way through, started to change a little in late 88 maybe but not much. The 90s was really 92 to 98.

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The 1970's were labeled the "Me Decade"

Source

Name:	Abdul the Tentmaker
To:	rooty patooty
Re:	kerry/clinton would choke vs. bush/cheny

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ALBUQUERQUE - Reaching back to revive an idea promoted by the man he beat for the White House, President Bush urged Friday that affordable high-speed Internet access be available to all Americans by 2007, saying it was essential to the nation’s economic growth. advertisement Bush traveled to the Southwest largely to promote home ownership but spoke briefly about Internet access in remarks reminiscent of 2000 Democratic presidential nominee Al Gore’s call for an “information superhighway” available to all Americans. He did not say how high-speed access could be extended to all the nation’s homes and businesses, but in an address to Hispanic lawmakers in New Mexico, a state he lost to Gore by just 366 votes four years ago, Bush said a key would be to “make sure that as soon as possible thereafter [that] consumers have plenty of choices.” There is already a fund that subsidizes telephone service in rural areas and for those who cannot afford it. Policymakers have debated whether the Universal Service Fund should also subsidize Internet access to U.S. homes. Democrats, including Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, Bush’s presumed Democratic opponent in November, accused Bush in a letter last month of failing to implement a “national broadband policy.” About 20.6 million homes and small businesses subscribed to high-speed Internet service as of last June, the latest data available from the Federal Communications Commission. Telephone companies that dominate a market have to share their networks with rivals for telephone service, and there have been extensive debates about whether those rules should apply to broadband. Related story Kerry calls for corporate tax changes Push on minority home ownership The president’s address Friday was promoted as a forum to highlight his efforts to help Americans, especially minorities, “realize their dreams” of home ownership, and he said that because of the tax cuts he championed, “more people own their own home now than ever.” “We want more people owning their own home in America,” Bush said. His goal is to have 5.5 million minority homeowners in the country by the end of the decade. More than 50 percent of minorities owned their own homes in the last three months of 2003 for the first time ever, the president said.

Name:	SharkBoat
To:	THe Cold (ta da) Hard (dahhhh) Facts (tra la da daaaaa!)
Re:	Society for Presrervation of Cliche orthodoxy!!

In response to:
Message: The 1970's were labeled the "Me Decade" and ............ dum de dum dum........"SOURCE!!! ( Huzzah!! Huzzah!!)

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Cold har d Fact s (tm), I am sorry you had to wade t hru so many typos for such an ungrateful uncooperative unbeleiving sort as I. Your pardon please, tho, I would never hyperlink to anything from this site; too many links from this forum are gypacked with viriuses, cookies, and such. Its true, yeah

I am somewhat astounded that you would even do that little dance. I do not doubt that someone at some point dcided they would dub the 'seventies' as the "me' time....however, my recollection, and i could be mistaken, is that the more prevalent cliche was that the "80s' were the "me" time, and that said cliche was formulated as a dig at REaaaaaaagan, y'know the 'tastemakers' wanted to reinforce negative perceptins about Reagan.

By all means, if you ant tpo preserve cliche orthodoxy and you have a 'source', younbg o ahead on and post that link and stand up fpor yournpreferred cliche.

I thought it was more fun to turn the cliche against the tastemakers and use it to color outside the lines.

But perhaps you'll find that the audience does not like to have their cliches kidded and so they will love your source/hyperlink and dance and sing in glad appreciation and conformed cliche preservatiion!!

Name:	Right Wing Pirahna #3
To:	Ihdividual

Message:
Why did the Clinton/Gore Administration change the way unemployment data is calculated?

8^)

Name:	Cow's Meat
To:	Interrupting the Beat of the Ordinaters
Re:	Tastemakers Inc.,

In response to:
I thought it was more fun to turn the cliche against the tastemakers and use it to color outside the lines.

Message:
I sure did like those little round fried ham sandvitches with a really nice white secret sauce (had some cream of tartar bite in it) that Jack in the Box had back then. Later on, their Gyros were superb. (No, Ive never eaten a real one to compare, but their mass-produced ones were damn good mid to upper tier fast food) They seem to have over cost engineered their offerings nowadays, and of course, Taco Bell just sells granulated TVP with denatured chili powder on it now. Even the delightful little dog is long gone. They forgot all about why people go to a fast FOOD joint, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter to MTV types.

Name:	Black Bear
To:	Right Wing Pirahna #3
Re:	Thatr old whore won't come clean!

In response to:
Why did the Clinton/Gore Administration change the way unemployment data is calculated?

Message:
To beguile the gullible. It worked beautifully, too. (see blushing, gushing "Individual" posts)

Name:

#7

In response to:
"...fried ham sandwitches..."

Message:
Yeah, nothing like a 'Taylor Ham' on a roll, with mustard!

Name:	History
To:	Roscoe
Re:	Bravo well written, come back anytine Roscoe

In response to:
Beautiful analysis better than my rhetoric and Individual and Hard Cold Facts and other Republicans on here

Message:

I reprinted this, because, I feel it the best true history ofand tells how the USA lost so many manufacturing jobs to China.

Corporate consolidation and big box retailing lifted the markets and lowered the rank'n'file salary payouts (while increasing ridicuous compensation to top exceutives; incidentally not all of american management supported the latter but such naysayers were usually exiled from compensation committees).

Bill and Hill's reign of greed also coincided with capital flight from concentional industries thus increasingv pressure for those companies manufacturing these days in China.

Ya can't blame a it all on them because neocon hoodoo chanters like Dr. Wally Williams, the NR gang, and their disciples here spared no sarcasm and abuse for any cobservers of the emium's buttugly nekkid butt. And, heaven forbid that we actually get tough with non WTO compliant trade partners. When Bush tried that and is trying it now, boy howdy, the neocons and progs alike go all wailing wall, hair shirt and all.

THe unemplyment is a biiger animal than the republicans and demkmies put together. few here are willing to tell the whole story. I'll ay this tho, Bush's willngness to do tax cutting, to keep the vital rsources inthe public sector outside of Big Govt.'s reducing valves is the best srategy for long term jog growth: it doesn't happen overnight, but if left inplace, it is still the best bet to ensure the dynamic vitalioty and flexibility essential for sustained healthy employment rates.

And getting the chinese not to peg their currency to the US Dollar thus being 40% cheaper than then us really is hurting us also. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name:	Vectorjac
To:	All Dems
Re:	hillary

In response to:
Bookies will be betting on Kerry's longivity should he be elected with Hillary as VP. Personally about 8 days to 6 months of VP-ing would would stimulate impatience much like that proverbial Buzzard's "Patience, hell, I'm going to ....something!"

Message:
Republicans would love to see hillary on kerrys ticket. There is no chance that the American people will vote in a ticket with a woman on it. Ask the Vegas oddsmakers, a kerry/hillary ticket has about a 1 in 290,000 chance of winning.

Name:	Grand Col
To:	Mini Ciggy Smacker
Re:	Blind and full of BS, a typical ultra pissant.

In response to:
Republicans would love to see hillary on kerrys ticket. There is no chance that the American people will vote in a ticket with a woman on it. Ask the Vegas oddsmakers, a kerry/hillary ticket has about a 1 in 290,000 chance of winning.

Message:
Hillary herself is the problem, not her gender. You disparage your countrymen without cause.

Name:	dot
To:	wailing of the liberal trolls

In response to:
Way to go Kerry, let's turn the news story into Clark's obvious perjury. If you hadn't said anything, the liberal press would have ignored the perjury and the entire issue. By the way, it is going to be Congress, specifically Porter Goss, who will request that perjury charges be brought. Bush won't have to lift a finger-----it was perjury before Congress, which Congress has the independent authority to request DOJ to prosecute on behalf of Congress. Bring it on!

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NEW YORK (AFP) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry challenged President George W. Bush) to prosecute former national security aide Richard Clarke if they can show that he lied about terrorism policy.

"My challenge to the Bush administration would be, if (Clarke) is not believable and they have reason to show it, then prosecute him for perjury because he is under oath, Kerry told CBS's MarketWatch.

"They have a perfect right to do that," said Kerry.

Republicans in Congress want to declassify testimony Clarke gave before Congress in 2002 that they claim is at odds with accounts critical of the administration in the aide's recently published book.

Clarke, a counter-terrorism advisor to three presidents, published a book this week entitled "Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror," in which he claims the Bush administration failed to heed warnings of the September 11, 2001 attacks and then focused its attention on Saddam Hussein) rather than al-Qaeda.

He repeated the allegations under oath in testimony before a congressional committee. The charges prompted an aggressive response from the White House, amid apparent concerns that they could undermine the president's re-election bid in November.

Name:

Butler Benny

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Name:	Challix Brontosaurian
To:	Clivus Multrum
Re:	Better never than way too late

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The Tennessee Stud was full of tea/when he ran outside to take a pee/ Yeah, he had the nerve /to scarf up the cash/ Oh there never was a whore /like that politico Gore!

Message:
Clarke, an incompetent former counter-terrorism advisor to three presidents recently turned huckster and political hatchet-man, published a book this week entitled "I'm Cool, But They All Suck"

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Espresso Kyle

Message:
Hey, I got plenty of these/ Ley me know if you want me to post more.

Name:

Lord of Flies

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Name:

Espresso Kyle

Message:
OK, Lord of Flies, here is another.

Name:

Espresso Kyle

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Off to Mr. Chow's for late night dinner. Ciao.

Name:

Civil Bagdasarian

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Rapture Ready Rapture Ready Home Nearing Midnight Rapture Ready Bulletin Board Left Behind Left Behind Letters

Print a text version of this article 5 Planets Form Heavenly Spectacle Submitted By:Jack Click for Source Article Five planets are arrayed across the evening sky in a spectacular night show that won't be back for another three decades. For the next two weeks, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn the five closest planets — should be easily visible at dusk, along with the moon. "It's semi-unique," said Myles Standish, an astronomer at Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. "They're all on the same side of the sun and stretched across the sky and that's what is kind of pretty." Standish missed Monday evening's opportunity, but said Tuesday that he will gaze up when he walks his dog this week and next. He expects mountains and bright city lights to hamper his view, however. The planetary lineup will be visible to the naked eye every night for an hour after sunset from around the world through early April. At the end of the year, the same five planets will reunite for a few weeks, but in the pre-dawn hours. Standish said this particular planetary grouping may offer the best nighttime views until 2036. The orbits of the five planets take them to the same side of the sun every few years or so. The conditions have to be just right for all five planets to be clearly visible at dusk or dawn; Mercury is often tough to catch. Even rarer are so-called alignments, where the planets are clustered together in the sky; this is not one of those. Stargazers should look to the western horizon just after sunset. Mercury, Venus, Mars and Saturn will be lined up in the sky with Jupiter close to the eastern horizon. They will span about 135 degrees. Saturn will be almost directly overhead.

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Arafat is next

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Name:	Jasper X
To:	F

Message:

Name:

No FrankenKerry

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Name:

No John Kerry!! No Ketchup Boy! Never!

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Stop Hanoi John Kerry!
No Ugly Traitor Freak for President.

Name:	Lord of Flies
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house of cards built on gelatin. Neither Silent Nor a Public Witness Presidential Adviser Rice Becomes a 9/11 Focal Point as Contradictions Appear

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Foreign Leaders for Kerry!

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Lord of Flies is a Poopiehead

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I won't pick Kerry.

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Will Kerry pick a loser for his running mate?

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Lord of Styes

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Rat

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Santiago Matamoros IV

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Those Socialists in Spain are really going to give it to the populace now. This band of crackpots are really nuts.

Al Qaida threw this election... now the Spanish will pay and pay.

The one who really needs to get it is Zapatero... this would be nice if it happened to him:



Look at all the red flags. No doubt, a red revolution in Spain, led by Al Qaida.
Santiago Matamoros is turning in his grave.

One can only hope that this catastrophe will give rise to a Spanish Pinochet...

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Carlos

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This is what I and many Spaniards would like to see happen to that fool Zapatero:

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Sporadic Visitor

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Early photo of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton:

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Tired of it already

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Geesh! Do we have to listen to the "Disinterred Undertaker" preaching day and night for the next 8 months? He has an annoying voice. He reminds me of Al Gore minus the personality.

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Speaking of reminders...

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"They remind me of teenagers that got their inheritance too soon and couldn’t wait to blow it.”

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Clinton reminds me of someone who lost his legacy because he couldn't wait to have some teenager blow him.

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More words to live by

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Clinton: "They love power. They know how to get it and they know how to keep it,”

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The Clinton's love power. They know how to get it and they know how to keep it.

But not this time.

Bush is going to win!

Name:	SUV
To:	President Bush the Imperial President

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Here we go again, Thomas H. Kean (R), the former New Jersey governor Bush named to be chairman of the commission, observed: "I think this administration shot itself in the foot by not letting Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's national security adviserher testify in public."

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I agree this time Bush will lose the election in November because he did not let his national security advisor testify in the 9/11 US Congressional Hearings.

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Speaking of reminders

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Bush reminds me of someone who lost his legacy because he couldn't wait to have some teenager blow him.

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No FrankenBush

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STOP George Halliburton Bush for killing your son in Iraq because his contributors need to get back their Bush Presidential contributions.

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khobar

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Do all the cries of " Clarke is a liar!" remind you of the cries of "WMDs Found in Iraq!" ???

They do me. How many journalists, and even experienced politicians, are being turned into no more than administration mouthpieces? Watching the coverage of this story of FOX News, and seeing Irving Kristol wax indignant against Clarke, makes me despair for human intelligence.

Judith Miller is looking better every day.

Name:	Dekker Spieltuig
To:	Lord of Flies
Re:	Credibility? Clarke v Rice? No contest! RICE!!!!!

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At the same time, some of Rice's rebuttals of Clarke's broadside against Bush, which she delivered in a flurry of media interviews and statements rather than in testimony, contradicted other administration officials and her own previous statements.

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How about you take a real deep breath, Flies, and then go down on your hero Clarke all the way to the root?

Name:	Giacomo Perdenales
To:	Sucks Up (DU) Vomit
Re:	Beep beep! beep beep!

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I agree this time Bush will lose the election in November because he did not let his national security advisor testify in the 9/11 US Congressional Hearings.

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Eat me, you annoying pin-headed parrot!

Name:	Maximum John
To:	Khobar
Re:	Commercial Orifices

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They do me.

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Everybody does you, you $2.00 round-heeled slut!

Name:	Caballo Ridge
To:	Ordure
Re:	Seditious Scum!

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Watching the coverage of this story of FOX News, and seeing Irving Kristol wax indignant against Clarke, makes me despair for human intelligence.

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It isn't a story of Fox News, you damned fool, and that pissant book-hawking Clarksie makes Kristol with all his warts look like a model of a reasonable and fair-minded commentator.

Name:	DU SUCKS
To:	STUPID
Re:	MEOW!

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Do all the cries of " Clarke is a liar!" remind you of the cries of "WMDs Found in Iraq!" ???

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Clarke IS a liar, precious. It's a matter of record.

Name:	HMS Silverfish
To:	SUV
Re:	"Pokeymon" symptomatic of deep cultural sickness

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Kerry campaign & Clarke antics also reflect cultural pathology

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Lord of Flys dreams of a triumphal inauguration day appointment to a Kerry(Kohn) administration key Cabinet post with intimate, private Oval Office access to the president himself.

Name:	Zola Laredo
To:	Julio Reyes
Re:	Everything but taxes irks MadKane

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"Liberals tend to describe what they want in terms of goals rather than processes, and not to be overly concerned with the observable consequences." --(Unknown)

:::In other words, they tend to be airheads. With the best of intentions, Liberals often accomplish great harm. They are given to forcing their will upon others, also, which multiplies the harm they do.

Given the opportunity, most sane people will opt out of the Liberals' restrictive collectivist schemes.

Name:	Sul Rost
To:	forum
Re:	CIA forced to seek a saintlier kind of informant!

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Let's give the CIA credit for what they could do... with one hand tied. Funny how informants had checks whilst staffers for Bill and Hill worked with few checks. Most resented the FBI checking them at all until 's death.

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Exposing the web of nuclear WMD: The Khan con... (This is the second of a two-part commentary on how the CIA scooped the nuclear WMD black-market.) "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." --Sun Tzu (6th century B.C. Chinese general) in "The Art of War" The United States is at war. Since 1993, the year of the first Islamist attack on the World Trade Center, our homeland has been a frontline in the war with Jihadistan, a borderless alliance of Islamist groups with global reach, who are relentlessly targeting the U.S. as surrogates for Islamic nation states. While orthodox Muslims (those conforming to the teachings of the "pre-Medina" Quran) do not support acts of terrorism or mass murder, very large sects within the Islamic world are indoctrinated with the "post-Mecca" Quran and Hadith (Mohammed's teachings). These are the writings that call for "Jihad" or "Holy War" against all "the enemies of God." Hence, "Jihadistan," or "nation of holy war." In the war to deter Jihadistan terror, there are two recurrent themes in President George W. Bush's leadership as Commander-in-Chief (his primary Constitutional role). First, he has emphasized that we must know our enemy and endeavor to keep the warfront on their turf. Second, President Bush has rightly insisted that we must know ourselves -- that we must not lose our resolve to conduct this war in defense of our nation and our national interests. On the first count, we have, thus far, succeeded. While Leftist politicos and their Leftmedia minions are loath to give credit where credit is due, it is nothing short of remarkable that, since 9/11, our Armed Forces, and the multitude of agencies supporting them, have prevented any further catastrophic attacks on U.S. soil. On the second count, however, our nation's resolve is at great risk of being undermined by President Bush's political opponent, Leftist agitator John Kerry, who should think twice about starting every stump-speech by questioning our presence in Afghanistan and Iraq. Doing so only serves to endanger our forces in those regions -- and the security of our homeland -- by undermining U.S. resolve.

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Rock Hard

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The Clinton Memorial

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New Forum

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Name:	Individual
To:	Kerry

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Get the word out. Since FY2002 under Bush, we have had to go into debt to the tune of 300 billion to 1/2 a trillion dollars, and we still have only anemic job growth (297,000 new jobs in the last 6 months). How much of a debt burden under Bush's policies will it take to get 1 million jobs (4 times as many as the last 6 months) over the next year? Can you say one trillion?